DB Cooper – Cooperites celebrate the 47th Anniversary of the skyjacking with conference

By Bruce A. Smith

The 47th Anniversary of the DB Cooper skyjacking was celebrated with a gathering of experts and aficionados to discuss the details of the case, and ponder new evidence and suspects.

On November 24, 1971, DB Cooper hijacked a Northwest Orient 727 enroute to Seattle from Portland, and after he jumped from the aft stairs with $200,000 in twenties tethered to his waist, nothing has ever been discovered – neither his identity, fate, or any of his gear or booty. However, $6,200 of ransom money was found on a Columbia River beach in 1980, but that discovery also defies explanation. DB Cooper’s daring-do has been feted every since, and this anniversary was no exception. The DB Cooper heist, known to law enforcement as NORJAK, remains the only unsolved skyjacking in American history. Nevertheless, the FBI officially closed the case in 2016.

Approximately 100 people gathered Saturday, November 2018 at the Edgewater Country Club in Portland, Oregon to share opinions, sell books and DVDs on the case, and network with each other. It was the third such gathering in recent memory, with a major conference in Portland in 2011, and a smaller affair in Tacoma at the Washington State Historical Museum in 2013.

The first half of this year’s conference featured experts in the case illustrating the fundamentals of the case, and revealing new understandings of this iconic mystery.

First to speak was parachute expert, Mark Metzler, known in DB Cooper chat rooms as “377.” Metzler described in detail the differences in construction between military and civilian parachutes, claiming that skydivers using sport chutes such as the Pioneer Steinthal that was found unused on Cooper’s plane when it landed for refueling in Reno, Nevada, must deploy at speeds below 150 mph. However, military parachutes are more rugged, with shroud lines enveloping the entire canopy, and can handle much higher speeds. Cooper’s plane, Flight 305 was traveling closer to 200 mph when Cooper jumped, and thus the military chute that might have been aboard, such as a NB-6 or NB-8 – both emergency parachutes for navy fliers – would have been adequate. Metzler said that the NB-8 would most likely contain a 28-foot C-9 parachute, whereas the NB-6 would contain a 26-foot conical chute.

But the exact nature of the parachute DB Cooper used is shrouded in mystery. The FBI’s technical expert on parachutes, Earl Cossey, says Cooper had a NB-6 or NB-8. However, Norman Hayden, whom FBI documents reveal delivered these back chutes to NWO and owned them, says he only gave civilian Pioneer rigs containing Steinthals. FBI documents and statements by case agents vary greatly on this subject and Cooper World reels, trying to resolve this dilemma. Adding to the struggle Cossey was murdered in 2013, and his death is also unsolved.

Next up was yours truly, talking about the money find at Tina Bar in 1980. I discussed three apparent money finds at this Columbia River beach, about fifteen miles downstream from where the 2018 Conference was held.

The first money find was the iconic discovery of three bundles of twenties by Brian Ingram, the 8-year old kid smoothing a sandy stretch of strand for his family to roast hot dogs. On Sunday, February 10, 1980, his fingers scraped across the top of the bundles and then he dug them out. They were all in severely weathered condition, compressed, and missing the corners and edges. Subsequent examination of the serial numbers revealed that these bills were from the Cooper ransom, and this discovery remains the only incontrovertible piece of evidence in NORJAK.

The second money find occurred three days later when FBI agents from the Portland Division, under the command of SA Ralph Himmelsbach, descended on the beach and started digging in the sand where Brian had found his three bundles. Himmelsbach says his team found shards of money in the original discovery area down to a depth of three feet.

The Public Information Officer on the scene, Dorwin Schroeder, has told many researchers that they found pieces of money stretching over an area 20-feet in all directions from the spot where Brian found his twenties. Schroeder also says that the shards were recovered from depths of 3-4 feet, and some were as big as 2-3 inches across. A KATU-TV video shows these larger pieces of ransom money and their placement into Plasticine evidence envelopes. However, none of these envelopes are in evidence in Seattle, and as far as is known have never been seen in public. The only money pieces in FBI possession that have been witnessed, such as by the Citizen Sleuth Team in 2009 and 2011, are hundreds of itsy-bitsy pieces that look more like dust particles than remnants of a twenty-dollar bill.

Himmelsbach says that all the money recovered at T-Bar went to Seattle, but he retired from the Bureau two weeks after the money find, and his subsequent investigations of the money are unknown. But his PIO, SA Schroeder, took over his skyjacking duties at the Portland FBI office, and he told this reporter that he assumed a passive perspective on the case, only responding to clues brought into the FBI by the public. Thus, it is understood that after the February money find at T-Bar, the rest of the Columbia River river bank was never searched for more money or evidence – not even Cooper’s body.

Into that breach DB Cooper researcher Galen Cook began contacting beach owners near Tina Bar and talked to local fishermen. Cook says that he found two men who were teenagers in 1980, and they say that they fished the river regularly in the T-Bar area. They claim that in January 1980 – one month before the Brian Ingram find – they found dozens of torn corners of twenty-dollar bills laying in the sand about 100 feet downstream from Brian’s spot. This third discovery remains uncorroborated, and thus is highly controversial.

The next speaker was Tom Kaye, the head of the Citizen Sleuth Team (CST). Kaye discussed the particles found on the tie reportedly left behind by DB Cooper, in particular the recent discovery of 100,000 rare earth minerals and other exotic or unusual chemical deposits.

First was a history of the initial examination by the CST using their electron microscope. They found hundreds of particles, and most prominent was pure titanium.

In 1971, titanium was not common,” said Kaye, “and was not used in sporting goods as it is today, and was found mostly in aviation applications, such as Boeing’s SST.” But the SST uses titanium alloys, so the CST explored the titanium mining and extraction process to see where pure Ti could be found in quantity and how it might land on a thin, black tie.

Kaye and his CST found that titanium is extracted from “titanium sand” and was selectively removed by two different chemical processes. One, the Kroll Process, uses chlorine and the other, the Hunter Process, uses sodium to “suck out” the titanium from the sand.

However, the CST also found large amounts of mineral salts on the tie, and the sodium process leaves NaCl residues, which is the primary component of salt. Surprisingly, the sodium process is only used in one manufacturing plant, RMI, which is located in Illinois. Kaye and the CST thought that RMI might be the site where DB Cooper worked long enough as an engineer or manager to adsorb titanium and salt on his tie, but officials at RMI said they had no employees resembling the DB Cooper sketch working in the pre-skyjacking period.

Seemingly at a dead end, the tie investigation took a dramatic turn in 2015 when the Travel Channel interviewed Tom Kay for an Expedition Unknown episode on DB Cooper. During the resulting conversations, the host of the show, Josh Gates, decided to contribute the monies to examine the tie at a state-of-the art laboratory, the McCrone Institute in Illinois.

The McCrone labs used a high-end ASPEX 3025 SEM electron microscope to examine the tie particles. Kaye says they found additional Antimony, Cerium, Cerium Lanthanum, and other phosphors, and Barium, plus cutting tool and match-head residues, and elements of gold and platinum, presumably from the tie clip of other jewelry use with the tie. Also, the NaCl was an industrial type of salt, and not the kind of table salt found on French Fries. In addition, they also found a substance called “frit,” which is a powder used to fuse glasses together, and shards of stainless steel, but not regular steel.

Taken in sum, Kaye offered this analysis:

The phosphors, ceriums and antimony are indicative of cathode ray tube manufacturing. The cutting tool residues also suggest a manufacturing environment, as does the stainless steel and frit. Kaye said that the primary location for these kinds of elements would be the Tektronix plant in Portland, which was the leading manufacturer of oscilloscopes in the country in 1971. Lastly, the match head residues indicate a heavy smoker, and the tie itself suggests a manager or engineer.

This is the hottest lead in Cooper World,” Kaye pronounced.

As for the afternoon, the bulk of the time was dedicated to a rendition of suspects by their leading advocates. Peter Rouse, a resident of Astoria, Oregon, spoke about the connection between Norman DeWinter and Robert Rackstraw. Although highly personalized – Rouse talked about his personal involvement with DeWinter – he offered no new information on Rackstraw as DB Cooper.

But many Rackstraw advocates were in attendance, including Russ and Kristy Cooper, the residents of Portland who informed Tom Colbert of the possible DBC burial sites in LaConner, WA where the money and parachutes might be found. The Coopers and other individuals from that retrieval effort, such as Jim Erwin, were in the audience and spoke informally during the conference.

Bradley Collins, who has written a book claiming his father was DB Cooper, was also in attendance, but did not speak publicly. Nevertheless, he was active in smaller groupings.

Next on stage was Vern Jones, the publisher of the Walter Reca story, penned by Carl Laurin. Jones offered a detailed and authoritative description of the Reca saga. Jones also established a wonderful bonhomie with the audience and other DBC experts by saying, “I know that much of what I am going to tell you is going to rub you the wrong way, such as the flight path. I acknowledge that, and we want to be transparent about it, but it is the Walter Reca story as told by Carl Laurin. It’s what we’ve got.”

In essence, Walter Reca was a rough fellow and part-time thief who was an expert skydiver. In 1971 he decided that it was “Better to be Dead than Poor,” and stole NWO Flight 305. The Reca story has him landing in Cle Elum, WA, due east of Seattle and a long ways from the Victor-23 air corridor that DB Cooper was supposedly following south of Sea-Tac airport.

Later, Reca was absolved of this crime and recruited into a contract position for an unnamed intelligence agency of the United States Government. After a period of training where his “head was sculpted” Reca performed off-the-books operations, including assassinations, in 34 countries worldwide. Jones’ presentation of Reca’s passports was fascinating, with stamps and official certifications overflowing from the pages in dozens of languages.

Jones’ presentation was highly professional and well-received, even if widely doubted.

Lastly, Conference host and organizer, Eric Ulis, delivered his up-to-date analysis of Sheridan Peterson as the leading suspect for DB Cooper. New revelations included the secret bank account Peterson had in Singapore, and the fact that his second wife – with whom he lived in Nepal and was his primary alibi – was not dead as he had reported to the FBI, but rather, was still alive according to Peterson family members that Ulis has contacted in the past few weeks.

Peterson, 92, is living in central California. His “lightly fictionalized” account of the Vietnam War, An Idiot’s Frightful Laughter, has recently been published by the Cooperite known as “Snowmman” and was available for viewing at the Conference. It is for sale at Lulu.com, with all proceeds going to Peterson. Ulis and others feel that many of the elements of the DB Cooper skyjacking are confirmed or revealed in Peterson’s book, such as descriptions of harsh parachute jumps. Regardless, it is a searing war account and worthy of a read.

Following the Conference many attendees and presenters flocked to the Victor-23 pub in nearby Vancouver. The wateringhole is chummy craft brewery, with a wall mural depicting a Northwest Orient 727 discharging its passengers, and the good vibes of the Conference continued.

In fact, most of the presenters met there before the Conference. Mark Metzler, Eric Ulis, Tom Kaye and yours truly arrived there early in Friday evening, and met Dirk Wierenga and Dave S, who comprised the video crew from Principia filming the gathering. Vern Jones and his wife Irene joined us in the course of events. A Pilsner called “Skyjacker blonde” was delicious, as was rumored another Pilsner, the “Schaffner,” named after flight attendant Florence Schaffner, but was sold out. Further, the wall mural of Cooper’s 727 is actually a “200” series and not the 100 that Cooper flew, I was informed. The 200 has an aft fuselage door on the starboard side, which the 100 does not, besides the customary ventral aft stairways.

Both Friday and Saturday evenings numerous locals came by and shared a beer with us and the roomful of Cooperites, including podcasters Darren Schaefer, and his editor “Ben.” “Vince” from Olympia hung with us through the night and videoed many presenters and attendees for later broadcast.

On Saturday, I sat with Ron Bertrand, who runs the NW Escape Experience and features the DB Cooper Escape Room, where someone last summer broke in to rob the place and couldn’t get out and had to call 911 to be arrested and “freed,” so to speak.

Rob is a major DB Cooper figure in Portland. Very passionate and informed.

Clyde Lewis, the host of Portland’s Ground Zero Radio, came to the conference at the end of the afternoon and joined us at V-23. There he regaled us with his numerous encounters with DB Cooper suspect, Wolfgang Gossett, who died a few years ago in Depoe Bay, Oregon. Those two gentlemen were entangled in the extreme, with encounters in Utah, Oregon, talk radio, and personal healings. Lewis even lived two block away from Gossett’s last wife. Clyde should write a book about his personal relationship with “Wolfie,” and about Gossett regardless of the DB Cooper angle. Wolfie and Clyde are just two extraordinary, weird, fascinating guys.

Clyde also told us many stories from his Ground Zero radio show, which is broadcast nationally. His tales of research on the fringe, such as MKULTRA, Area 51, and reverse engineering of UFOs at Hangar 18 at Wright-Paterson were captivating. Many Cooperites loved it, as I did, but not all.

Another conferee at V-23 was Dan Wyatt, who runs the Kiggins Theatre in Portland. Wyatt produced a DB Cooper radio show there on Wednesday evening, which folks at V-23 said was fantastic.

One of the eye-catching dimensions of the conference – and the pub – was that half the folks were Millennials, 30-years and younger. I was impressed. They asked lots of questions, too. One woman named Katie asked questions all day and all evening, too. Took notes, too. First time I ever saw a marbleized notebook in a tavern….

Everyone I talked with thought the conference was a success and they now want an annual gathering. Most also want an “Ariel tavern-style” party to accompany the conference. Bryan Woodruff, son of Dona Elliott, the late owner of the Ariel Tavern and DB Cooper Party Hostess, was in attendance at V-23, and voiced support for these ideas.

One of the hallmarks of the conference, and certainly evenings at the Victor-23 pub, was the lack of animosity – the total opposite of the current bickering on the DB Cooper Forum. Some folks came into the conference in a cautious manner, such as Kristy Cooper and her husband Russ Cooper. When Kristy introduced herself to me, I said, “Ah, I have been tracking you two for a long time!”

“Yes, I know,” Kristy replied, with a slight smile. Nevertheless, we talked about working cooperatively in the future, and that might be a possibility. But their leader, Tom Colbert, needs to give the okay for Kristy and Russ to feel comfortable with that arrangement. But she bought my book, so….

As for next year, Eric Ulis says that he is committed to producing another Conference. He also announced that Mark Metzler made a substantial contribution to this year’s Conference, which was free to the public. Details will follows as plans are developed.

Conference, 2018, Eric, r, Mark, c, BAS, l at V-23

Pictured: Eric Ulis, (r), Mark Metzler, (c), Bruce A. Smith, (l). Picture courtesy of Eric Ulis.

Conference, 2018, Tom Kaye, l, Bradley Collins, r.

Tim Kaye, (l), with Bradley Collins, (r)

Conference, 2018, flgith manual and NB-8

NB-8, top, with 727 flight manual, lower

conference-2018-reserve-chute-727-flight-manual1.jpg

Reserve chute, lower, with flight manual, above

Conference, 2018, Eric giving his introductory talk, distant shot

Eric Ulis giving his introductory remarks at the beginning of the 2018 DB Cooper Conference. Edgewater Columbia Country Club, Portland, OR

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90 Responses to DB Cooper – Cooperites celebrate the 47th Anniversary of the skyjacking with conference

  1. Galen Cook, Attorney at Law says:

    Nice report, Bruce. It may have been a partial error on my part relating the info to you, but the two brothers found only “one” corner of a Cooper twenty, not dozens. I contacted them in about 2013 and they agreed to meet me at Tena’s Bar where they directed me to the exact location.
    Their find was in January 1980 about a month preceeding the Ingram find. The location was about 150 feet downstream of Ingram. They took the $20 corner home to show their parents. The brothers were 9 and 11 years old. They had no idea what they were looking at until AFTER they read about the Ingram find in February. What the young fisherman’s find indicated to me is that (1) there may have been another burial source downstream, and (2) possibly more than three packets involved. Maybe both.
    On another topic, I never met Tom Kaye, however I spent an hour with him on the phone several years ago. I respect his in-depth analysis regarding the tie particles. The only problem from my perspective is that before you can derive the conclusions Tom has provided, you have to first prove that the tie was always owned by Cooper. I believe Cooper purchased his disguise costume at a Goodwill type of store just prior to the hijacking. That would negate any subsequent theory as to Cooper’s workplace or professional status based on types of particles found on the tie.

  2. David & Susie Johnson says:

    Thanks Bruce, for sending me the report of the conference.

    I do hope that I will be able to attend, from the UK, at sometime in the future.

    I still find the initial finding of the notes at TB, to be highly unusual to say the least. I have already given Galen and yourself my comments on the condition of the notes. Although it is difficult to be sure from just looking at photos, but I still think they had been there for a max of two years.

    Greetings to all from the United Kingdom.

    David

  3. shutter45 says:

    However, $6,200 of ransom money was found on a Columbia River beach in 1980?????

    • brucesmith49 says:

      The sum of $6,200 comes from the latest count of the bills and fragments, in particular, the auction house that Brian gave the majority of his bills has uncovered additional bills that had been overlooked initially due to the compression of the bundles.

  4. EU says:

    I really question the $6,200 figure. Remember, this updated figure is being attributed to the auction house and their abilities.

    However, The auction house has examined less than half the total bills–the FBI has 14 bills, the insurance company has “half” of what was left and Brian had the other half. As far as I know the auction house has never seen the insurance company’s portion. Therefore, how do you arrive at a $6,200 figure based up the FBI’s 14 bills and Brian’s portion?

    I believe the total is no greater than $5,800 to $6,000.

    • brucesmith49 says:

      Yes, the best way to characterize the amount of money is to say, “approximately $6,200.” The exact amount is not known. 6K may be the upper limit, but I recall the auction house speculating that the number they thought that was in the T-Bar find was $6, 200 – and thus the amount of bills available for auction potentially. That number would determine the relative value of any individual bill when it goes to auction.

  5. shutter45 says:

    They found new serial numbers, not bills…

    • PARDON ME BUT says:

      If they found NEW NUMBERS then they found new pieces of a bill! One sewrial number oper bill. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  6. brucesmith49 says:

    Ah, that is another element to consider. Please tell us more, Shut.

    • PARDON ME BUT says:

      What is wrong with you people? There is only one serial number per bill. If they find a new number never logged before then they are finding pieces of bills those serial numbers are part of! This is common sense!

  7. Terry Battcher says:

    Whether the tie came from a thrift store or not, the fact that it had such a large list of highly specialized particles on it, is very uncanny indeed. The odds of any one particular person getting the sheer number of these same specific particles on their tie, is astronomically rather improbable. Perhaps a research laboratory is a more likely source? Even so, why would so many of these same particles be on that ‘one tie?’ To me, it’s more like this particular evidence was intentionally placed on that tie. Which of these same particles could have been airborne, which would not? At first glance, it’s as though whomever had that tie was a slob…but would a slob have a job in such an area that had all of these same kind of particles? Look at this same puzzle from other angles: Even if it was a research lab source, how could have it have been so sloppy with the samples? How about a foreign enemy agent having sampled these particles by sticking his finger in the samples and then rubbing his of her tie? You’ve got to kick these ideas around, kids!

    In other words, how could one look at this same overall evidence and then fixate only on the particles of pure titanium as being the place to go looking? Such a line of reasoning is very obviously pure bullshit! That tie evidence is a very sophisticated puzzle indeed, especially so when ALL things are carefully considered. Yes, I know about the Tektronix idea, but does that account for ALL of these same particles? I doubt that it does. Maybe so?

    Another bunch of bullshit is to ASSUME that a rather large parachute was deployed at 200 miles per hour in the Cooper caper! That same parachute would pop open almost immediately and render the person wearing it unconscious, at a minimum, but probably kill them eventually. A falling body will speed up to about 80-90 MPH, and that would also represent a very sudden tug in regular use, but there would certainly have been some “give,” with a slower opening of the chute. Compare the analogy of using a tow chain vs a tow strap to pull a vehicle, the chain has no “give,” and as such it is more likely to cause damage to one vehicle or the other, or both. The tow strap has more of a bungee cord characteristic to it. If Cooper died in that jump, the dogs would have picked up the scent…period! To follow this crime properly, you really have to question and examine any and ALL lines reasoning.

    Consider this…once a person has certain ideas in their head for any length of time, those same ideas don’t easily leave them. Most people would readily assume that it’s absurd to consider a linkage between these cases: the California Zodiac killer, Norjak, OCCK and the Ramsey case…. that is until they acquire an open mind and carefully examine the core evidence which shows the linkage, and add to that, that they’ve had time to process the information too. I’m telling you kids…this same UNSUB rigged the evidence to prove that what I’m saying is true, but it took me quite awhile to “process” the information too, in order to get to this point. And, I’ve done so and I’m not looking for fame, I value my privacy too. Again, I do this stuff out of a sense of duty.

    MKULTRA linkage too? Probably so from what I’ve seen.

  8. shutter45 says:

    Terminal velocity of an average jumper would be around 120 mph. the McNally hijacking was much faster than Cooper. he jumped at speeds of 300 mph. he was banged up but survived. he didn’t use a backpack, he used the front chute.

  9. shutter45 says:

    Terry, you overlook a lot of things. the dogs could pickup a scent sure, if they were in the right area. also, nobody knows how Cooper bailed out of the plane. could of pulled on the stairs or did a free fall to terminal. they have a rather large area of possibilities where Cooper jumped and they focused on an area surrounding Ariel. one memo states it’s possible he jumped very close to the Columbia. that’s a rather large area to try and find a scent, chute, or body. it’s about 23 miles from the Columbia to Ariel and then several miles wide. huge area to search.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      Shutter45, I think that you’re the one overlooking a lot of things. The FBI’s FOIA files clarify, via two separate sources, that the jump was near Le Center, WA, several miles east of the Columbia river, hence the FBI’s phony search near Ariel, because of the crosswind away from the Columbia river. No one opens the chute on the stairs, not at approx. 200 knots, and survives.( Don’t know where you and you alone get a 300 MPH airspeed from?) Dogs can pick up a scent from several miles away, depending on the wind. That whole area was thoroughly and repeatedly gleaned. Yeah, no chute, Tena bar doesn’t jibe for a location. Bruce keep insisting on $6200 cash, while everyone else says $5800. Everyone at this MB seems to be ignoring several things, like the core four letters, etc. Like the 200 plus special materials on the tie. Like the attache’ case. BTW, the maps clearly show that the Colombia river is not near LeCenter, nor Ariel. Searching Merwin damn was phony and misleading by the FBI brass. Most free fall jumpers stick their limbs out in a free fall, in order to slow their decent to 80-90 MPH. The evidence says that the UNSUB got away. Tena Bar evidence doesn’t jibe. This particular skyjacking was a very sophisticated and well planned operation, he had ALL of his ducks in a row. Whether $6200 or $5800, where’s the bulk of the loot?! Again, the taunting documents show that their author had inside crime scene knowledge, which is more support showing that he survived. The Playboy cutouts are what I’m mainly referring to here. BTW, you think that this rather smart UNSUB individual is gonna hike out of the wilderness in loafers? The core four letters anchor everything in this Cooper caper. I think that the many messages in this operation was what he was after and not the loot.

      • shutter45 says:

        Terry, what scent did the dogs search for?
        nothing in the files give any real indication of a positive location of the jump. they will tell you today “we think, or we believe he jumped (here)”

  10. TC says:

    Bruce making a name for himself. He was the guest on a radio talk show in Spokane, WA, today ….. talking about ….. what else….. DBC.

    • brucesmith49 says:

      Thanks you, TC, for the kudos. Patriot Radio in Spokane. Caleb Collier was the host. I was filling in for Galen who was the original guest, but Galen had to be in court and asked me to cover.

  11. Marty Andrade says:

    Reblogged this on Marty Andrade and commented:
    Detailed report on the DB Cooper Forum last week in Portland:

  12. Terry Battcher says:

    Shutter45, the FBI files show that a Portland based radar station and NWA’s flight data recorder concurred that their data pointed to a jump location just east of the center of Le Center, WA. This is the only area in that part of the world that has large areas of conjoined plowed fields, and it’s right near I5. Do you want me to cite the FBI FOIA file location too?

    I like this thread because it deals with details about the tie. This whole business about a Tektronix inc connection is what caught my interest and brought me here. Yeah, I know, I’m the crazy SOB that links the Ramsey case, but the evidence drives this situation. As a matter of fact, it clarified the evidence that I was seeing on the Ramsey ransom note. I’ll come back to this point, but first this from Bruce’s article:

    The McCrone labs used a high-end ASPEX 3025 SEM electron microscope to examine the tie particles. Kaye says they found additional Antimony, Cerium, Cerium Lanthanum, and other phosphors, and Barium, plus cutting tool and match-head residues, and elements of gold and platinum, presumably from the tie clip of other jewelry use with the tie. Also, the NaCl was an industrial type of salt, and not the kind of table salt found on French Fries. In addition, they also found a substance called “frit,” which is a powder used to fuse glasses together, and shards of stainless steel, but not regular steel.

    Taken in sum, Kaye offered this analysis:

    The phosphors, ceriums and antimony are indicative of cathode ray tube manufacturing. The cutting tool residues also suggest a manufacturing environment, as does the stainless steel and frit. Kaye said that the primary location for these kinds of elements would be the Tektronix plant in Portland, which was the leading manufacturer of oscilloscopes in the country in 1971. Lastly, the match head residues indicate a heavy smoker, and the tie itself suggests a manager or engineer.

    “This is the hottest lead in Cooper World,” Kaye pronounced.”

    I agree, it is by far a very hot lead. On the second page and second line of the Ramsey ransom note, is the crossed out word “delivery”. The three examples of the word “delivery” on the first page are of very key importance, and clearly show intentional murder and threats to John Ramsey. Using my ‘paint’ feature in Windows to isolate the cross-out portion from the word “delivery,” I got the image of an old time boat-tailed speedster. At first this queer little image didn’t make much sense, because it has a image of a figurine lifting the front of the car and an a-frame “jack” stand in place. Then came a few years later the Tektronix hint from Bruce A. Smith on YouTube, and I then recalled that early service manuals for Tektronix oscilloscopes have the drawing of a midget racer in the horizontal sweep amplifier section, to depict the high speed CRT beam retrace function. A midget racer is a boat-tailed speedster, and a person can lift the front of a midget racer by themselves and put it on a “jack’ stand too. Bear in mind that this is only one area of hints linking these two cases. I think that a thorough study of the function of Lanthanum Tantalate alloy particles, is of very key importance to study and understanding of the Cooper caper.

    Would you rather parachute into a ground target in a plowed field near LeCenter, or risk landing randomly in boulders near Ariel and/or risk getting a pine tree up your ass?

    • Gypsy23 says:

      Go read FBI file at 2941, Chapter 13, material as released at FBI VAULT. That one page document will show that a package was delivered by FBI Seattle FO to SFO FO on 12/2/71 which contained info on exact flightpath of 305. No doubt, charting generated by civilian or military radar data.

      • shutter45 says:

        who is debating the flight path?

      • TC says:

        Shutter, do you know the true flight path? If yes, what’s your basis of knowledge? If acquired from others, how do you know that their information is accurate?

      • Terry Battcher says:

        Gypsy23, yes, that sounds about right. The location of the rear door placard find, suggests that the plane was on the accepted flight path, which supports the statement and find that that same pathway was very near LeCenter. BTW, I think the finding of frit on the tie is very interesting indeed.

        I guess that what it’s gonna take, is to show exactly how Cooper acquired his ground target. In the meanwhile consider this: RCA, for one source, sells or has sold business card devices that convert infrared directly into visible red light. To use them, you’d charge them up under a bright light, then test for a flashing pattern coming from an infrared remote control. Infrared controls are the way TV’s and other devices are controlled these days. The infrared or IR receiver, which is a modified photo diode that’s in the TV set, undoubtedly uses special materials related to those found on the Cooper tie. These have a special optical filter in front of them that is somewhat purple in color, which serves to filter or reduced ambient light, which is exactly what Cooper’s wrap-around sunglasses could have done.

        However, Cooper could also have simply done a timed free fall, pulling the rip cord nearer the ground. The city of LeCenter was probably well lit at the time of the day.

  13. PARDON ME BUT says:

    Fkyjack says: FLYJACK says:
    November 26, 2018 at 10:46 am ; There weren’t new bills found.. there were new bill numbers identified.. big difference.

    If new bill numbers are found and numbers are unique to a bill then doesnt that mean new never before counted pieces of a bill were found/identified? Flyjack needs to learn some logic! Ha Ha Ha

    • FLYJACK says:

      Nope. False assumption.

      Not all bills had legible serial numbers. They put together frags to ID serial numbers not new bills.

  14. PARDON ME BUT says:

    I am astounded. Every printed paper bill has a unique serial number, no other printed paper bill has! That is a fact. Serial numbers are unique and used to identify each individual bill. Serial numbers and the printed paper they are on are INSEPARABLE! Like the nose on your head. Most people only have on nose per head!

    But dyslexiacs could get this confused and claim otherwise! Dyslexia is a learning disorder that involves difficulty reading due to problems identifying speech sounds and learning how they relate to letters and words (decoding). Also called reading disability, dyslexia affects areas of the brain that process language. …

    A person with Dyslexi could claim that serial numbers and the paper bills they are on do not go together! And when new serial numbers are found that does not mean new paper bills have been found! People with Dyslexia often get basic logic confused …

    • FLYJACK says:

      In fact, complete bills have two printed serial numbers..

      TBAR bills were not complete, basic logic.

      • PARDON ME BUT says:

        Dumbass. One serial number per bill. Any discovery of a new previously unseen serial number is a discovery of the paper the damned serial number is printed on! Ie. a new bill. Serial numbers and paper bills go together. What does “TBAR bills were not complete, basic logic.” have to do with this. You keep appealing to BASIC LOGIC but you have none. I guess you are just one more Cooper Vortex Leader – ha ha ha. But you are entertaining in your moronism – keep it coming clown. Ha Ha Ha.

      • PARDON ME BUT says:

        How stupid will this get!

      • FLYJACK says:

        Your argument would only be valid if all 290 bills were ID’d via their serial numbers, they weren’t. Many bills and fragments were not ID’d. The premise is bogus and the logic is flawed.

        This bill is not ID’d…
        https://historical.ha.com/itm/transportation/aviation/-d-b-cooper-1971-ransom-money-unknown-series-20-federal-reserve-note-certified-and-encapsulated-by-pcgs-currency-with/a/6006-47237.s

        Sounds like Meyer’s nonsense… the Cooper world is full of these ignorant trolls.

        There are two numbers printed on each bill. THE SAME NUMBER. That means two opportunities to ID a single bill.

        This is really really simple, the FBI did not ID 290 serial numbers from the bills and fragments. In fact, they have never shown how they got that 290 number, but there are only two ways. They can count the bills with and without identifiable serial numbers but it wouldn’t be very accurate or they could compare the known serial numbers to Micro list. They claimed it was in the same order. If you could match and ID the top and bottom bills then there would be 100 per packet. Maybe they did it that way.

  15. Gypsy23 says:

    This is starting to sound like the good ol days at the DZ………..

  16. Terry Battcher says:

    PARDON YOUR BUTT..lighten up!

    Reverse engineer the Cooper caper kids…he had his ducks in a row. The crime was a paramilitary type of operation, CIA stuff, it had to have taken a thorough knowledge base, that’s what the many pieces of evidence shows, when taken all together.

    • PARDON ME BUT says:

      We now know how stupid this will get.

      Let me guess. Flyjerk has a suspect too! Odds are 100% He fits the profile.

      Can I get bread sticks with this ? Extra cheese?

      • PARDON ME BUT says:

        Everyone one please remember: (Flyjack says) There are two numbers printed on each bill. THE SAME NUMBER. That means two opportunities to ID a single bill.

        This has nothing to do with anything but Flyjack throws these things out to confuse and redirect the original question which was at issue. Flyjack has studied Robert M Blevins!

        Watch the peanut vanish under the cup! Good luck.

      • Marla says:

        I dont think FLYJACK and Robert Blevins are on the same flight path. Those two wouldn’t last together for 5 minutes.

  17. Terry Battcher says:

    Well, it would be nice if we can keep the discussion civil. Whether it was $6200 or $5800 isn’t all that big of a deal. It’s whether the forensic evidence shows whether those same bills actually spent time at the T-bar location or somewhere else. They don’t belong at T-bar. Could they have fallen off of the rear stairs and into where the Columbia runs east-west?

    The evidence that the UNSUB jumped near LeCenter, is pretty compelling.

  18. Terry Battcher says:

    I listened to Uncle Bruce’s latest radio show interview on YouTube last night, it was pretty interesting. I’ll review it again.

  19. Terry Battcher says:

    From Uncle Bruce’s article: First to speak was parachute expert, Mark Metzler, known in DB Cooper chat rooms as “377.” Metzler described in detail the differences in construction between military and civilian parachutes, claiming that skydivers using sport chutes such as the Pioneer Steinthal that was found unused on Cooper’s plane when it landed for refueling in Reno, Nevada, must deploy at speeds below 150 mph. However, military parachutes are more rugged, with shroud lines enveloping the entire canopy, and can handle much higher speeds. Cooper’s plane, Flight 305 was traveling closer to 200 mph when Cooper jumped, and thus the military chute that might have been aboard, such as a NB-6 or NB-8 – both emergency parachutes for navy fliers – would have been adequate. Metzler said that the NB-8 would most likely contain a 28-foot C-9 parachute, whereas the NB-6 would contain a 26-foot conical chute.

    But the exact nature of the parachute DB Cooper used is shrouded in mystery. The FBI’s technical expert on parachutes, Earl Cossey, says Cooper had a NB-6 or NB-8. However, Norman Hayden, whom FBI documents reveal delivered these back chutes to NWO and owned them, says he only gave civilian Pioneer rigs containing Steinthals. FBI documents and statements by case agents vary greatly on this subject and Cooper World reels, trying to resolve this dilemma. Adding to the struggle Cossey was murdered in 2013, and his death is also unsolved.

    ” However, military parachutes are more rugged, with shroud lines enveloping the entire canopy, and can handle much higher speeds.”(?) Yeah, but what about the human body, can it handle a sudden stop from much higher speeds? Kind of a bag of mixed information here, I’d say. So again, where would you rather land? In a nice plowed field in your penny loafers, where the cross wind gives you a nice little “step off,” or risk getting a pine tree in suppository form, or break a ankle or leg on some rocks, then have to hike out of the wilderness with or without the loot? That would be kind of dumb in an otherwise very sophisticated and meticulously planned out and executed crime, I’d say! The FBI’s FOIA records are clear, Cooper jumped very near LeCenter, not Ariel. The Ariel location is based on a series of false assumptions.

    “Adding to the struggle Cossey was murdered in 2013, and his death is also unsolved.” Yeah, how about that? What are the chances that someone is gonna go out of their way to bump off this one particular guy in his own garage? Where’s the motive? Who have we all noted the presence of in the Cooper community orb, that makes not so thinly veiled death threats in recent times? Hmmm?

  20. FLYJACK says:

    Shutter, when you read this remove my account and all my posts from your forum. I have had it with the disrespect and ignorance there, long overdue… There is no critical discussion there, NONE.

    • MNastt says:

      FLYJACK: reconsider this request. Cooper case causes lots of hard feelings because of some very strong personalities. Look at Blevins. He would never ask to be removed, but removed he was. Everyone wanted his ass gone. So think about it again.
      Is a disagreement with one or two individuals worth your departure, when no one else has complained about you?

  21. brucesmith49 says:

    Yeah, Fly, I’ll miss you. Please stick around.

    • FLYJACK says:

      I’ll stick around just not on that forum, Shutter has now blocked my IP.. but somebody tell him I already posted “NO ACCENT” per FBI… clearly he doesn’t read my comments as I suspected. Maybe he can find it before he deletes my account and posts..

      It is the environment that I have lost all respect for. Closed minded, adversarial, combative, abusive and in some cases gross ignorance/bad logic. IMO, it should be supportive, respectful, open minded, compassionate and collaborative. That doesn’t mean you have to agree but I see no benefit in participating in that current environment. It is toxic for intellectual exploration and critical thinking.

      • PARDON ME BUT says:

        And he cried “wee wee wee wee all the way home” …. after insulting multiple people over years then finally being given time off, then finally tangling with the Mod! Multiple people turns thumbs down on his suspect and some of his crazy ideas … so now its their fault and Shutter is running an unfair forum which he can;t abide? Hey Bozo – you want a free egg on your beer too? You want worshipers? You want apologies? Bruce will give you sympathy but he wont be able to engineer a political revolution for you! This is fricking hilarious! Maybe it will lead to the first marriage in Cooperdom? Ha Ha Ha.

      • FLYJACK says:

        Hello, MeyerLouie…

      • Johnnie Greene says:

        I thought Meyer was banned by Bruce.

  22. brucesmith49 says:

    What you’re looking for sounds ideal, Fly. I haven’t seen it yet, neither at the DZ, here, and certainly not at the Forum. Perhaps a private, more secure “college” of Cooper minds is needed. My email is brucesmith At rainierconnect Dot com. Feel free to share your thoughts on a more individualized basis.

    • M.L. says:

      Bruce us always fair minded.

    • PARDON ME BUT says:

      “college” of Cooper minds is needed” _ including you of course. Are you going to self destruct, explode with accusations, and leave Shutter’s forum too, the way Flyboy did? We will watch for it at Shutter;s forum, if you are man enough. Maybe you and Flyboy can show us what a ““college” of Cooper minds is needed” really is.

  23. PARDON ME BUT says:

    Website for undiscovered geniuses – http://www.ideachampions.com/undiscovered_genius.shtml
    Its the only alternative to a Cooper forum –

  24. Terry Battcher says:

    FLYJACK says:
    December 8, 2018 at 7:50 am

    Meyer,, why so much anger and hate, not to mention repeated threats of violence?

    I agree, why don’t you go the way of Blevins? Your PARDON ME BUT handle and persona is harassment. You’re acting like an uncivilized jerk.

    • MNastt says:

      That wasn’t Meyer Louie.

      • FLYJACK says:

        Either Meyer or Georger… doesn’t matter.. ignorant trolls are a dime a dozen

        Shutter…. Delete my account and posts. You can keep my IP blocked of course.

        FBI agent: “I observed the pilot of the Boeing 727 airplane, Eastern Airlines Flight XXX, exit down the rear ramp. The pilot whom I had observed’ earlier sitting in the cockpit of the aircraft was closely followed by a white male, 40-45 years of age, 5’10”- 6′ in height, 175-185 pounds, olive complexion with dark curly hair, combed straight back. This individual wore a dark suit with a white shirt and tie;”

  25. shutter45 says:

    Fly, your account was removed days ago. the post remain. they are part of a record and benefit nobody removing them. everything posted on a public forum becomes property of that forum.

    Shutter

    • FLYJACK says:

      Technically that is true, but you offered to remove before, now you won’t.. since you never read them I’d think they are irrelevant.

      That is precisely why I never posted the really good stuff…

  26. shutter45 says:

    The IP should no longer be blocked. I first removed your posting privileges until I seen you continuing to sign in on a site you despise so much and put a full block which automatically bans the IP address. then later I removed your account. the IP should be released from any ban. I had no reason to block you from viewing the site permanently.

    Shutter

    • FLYJACK says:

      I don’t despise it, I just reached the end of my patience, discussion there is pointless, a waste of time, no benefit. Toxic. Many members agree with me.. they read it but rarely or never post. You fail to recognize it has become DZ V2.0..

      I checked a few times to see if you removed my posts and deleted my account.. I had to laugh when you were asking questions that I had already posted the answers to… You never read my posts, obviously there is no reason to continue there, a waste of time.

      Some irony, you don’t read my posts, block me then won’t delete them.. if you won’t delete them, I suggest you actually read them to answer some of your questions, but remember I held back the really good stuff as I never trusted that environment, I was right not to.

      Good Luck, I do hope it gets better there. I couldn’t wait any longer.

  27. brucesmith49 says:

    So Fly, what’s the “good stuff?”

    By the way, when I suggested that folks who want to communicate with other Cooperites but don’t want the nastiness common to the DBC Forum or here, I was simply suggesting that people email kindred spirits. I was not suggesting that a secret, private, underground “New DB Cooper Forum” be started.

    Or call those you would like to chat with. My phone number is in the “contact” section of the MN, for those that are interested.

  28. brucesmith49 says:

    NOTICE TO ALL, ESPECIALLY NEW COMMENTERS:

    I will be in New York for the holidays and not monitoring this site with anything close to the same regularity. Hence, two things will happen. First, bad behavior here will not be corrected until my return – then justice will be swift and decisive.

    But more importantly, new posters here will not see their postings until I can get to “approve” their post. That will take time. Dave Shutter has given me a tablet that will give me some Internet access once I figure out how to work it. Further, I am hoping that Santa will give me a laptop so I can maintain some kind of regular cyber connectivity to everyone and everything, but that is still a Christmas wish at this point.

    In the meantime, Merry Christmas to all. And I hope everyone lit their eighth candle last night, too. Good yontif! See y’all in the new year.

  29. shutter45 says:

    Fly, you sound just like Blevins and the rest. put up or shut up dude. that line is so old. and just like Blevins you take things out of context!

    I told you why you were blocked. this all started with you wanting no part of the forum. removing comments gives broken threads with people trying to figure out what was said. Georger asked the same and I didn’t remove his either.

    when is the movie coming out?

    • FLYJACK says:

      Shutter, I like you, you are nice guy but just not too bright, you can’t even figure out the simple stuff when I posted the answers for you. You don’t know what you don’t know.. my purpose has never been to convince anyone of anything, unlike most others. You think I actually care what people think, I am not selling anything. Your repeated accusations are false, insulting and disrespectful.. your reasoning and logic poor and self awareness vague.. There is no middle ground, no discourse from there, move on. I wish your forum success. It just wasn’t a place for me.

      • MNastt says:

        Fly, where are you going to post your “good stuff?” Some of us would like to know.

      • FLYJACK says:

        Good question,, I have enough for a book but I am not interested in writing a book, not my thing. I am really only doing this for myself. Sorry Shutter. There is still more info coming and the research hasn’t concluded.. It can’t be presented in fragmented bits like Shutter’s forum tended to, it needs a comprehensive context. Whether it leads to a resolution or not it is really fascinating stuff. At some point, I’ll have to figure out some way to pull it all together but it would be a big job and I am lazy. I like the critical thinking, research, discovery and puzzles, not presenting the solution.

      • shutter45 says:

        Typical Blevins response. are we going to go 100 comments like him now? you keep saying you don’t care what anyone thinks but you have posted over 200 times the same stuff, and now you are here?

        I don’t pay attention to some of the things you post. that doesn’t make me stupid! I just get tired of the same old thing. one tends to gloss over them. you are similar to Blevins when it come to being confronted. you put things on the table for all to see and see what happens. you get mad when it doesn’t go your way. I have no control over that.

        Snow asked you over a week ago other than fitting and looking like Cooper what else do you have to add…(crickets) you never responded to him. see comment below.

        “So basically, you’re just saying Frederick Hahneman was Cooper?
        The main “evidence” is similarity to the sketch?
        Or is there other evidence?
        I’m not sure what’s new. Surely the FBI had all the “info” you’re claiming…and they decided “not Cooper”
        Why do you decide “Cooper” instead?”

        Personally, as I’ve said in the past. this was a short period after Cooper and I tend to believe they looked into him very well. if not, then they are the stupid one’s. it’s not a suspect someone tried to push on them to look at. they knew exactly who he was.

      • FLYJACK says:

        You just don’t get it..

        You are again insulting me from a position of sheer ignorance. That is the very essence of your forum. I hoped you would rise above it. There are some good people there, give them space to intellectually explore without fear of threats, insults and dismissiveness.

        I am not interested in responding to the same insults you engaged in on your forum and bring it here, if you want to contact me privately about something specific, feel free to do so.

  30. brucesmith49 says:

    How about a nice, long essay at the Mountain News? Or a multi-part treatment of your findings?

    • FLYJACK says:

      I thought about that but it isn’t quite complete and hate writing, this subject is too complex for an essay. I’ll think about some way to do it.

  31. brucesmith49 says:

    Keep that pen moving, Fly…

    In the meantime, I ask everyone to consider this:

    The DB Cooper Corned Beef College To Meet in NYC

    Despite Georger’s rumors at the DB Cooper Forum, the only real DB Cooper College that I know of is the NY Corned Beef Colloquium of Cooperites. We will be meeting at the 2nd Ave Deli in Manhattan, either shortly before Christmas or after the 1st of the Year. Best pastrami in the Big Apple, Dice says, so I say we head there. Email me for details, or call me in New York, where I am heading Dec. 13 from WA for an extended stay. Email me this week in WA to make sure I know you want to get the details on when and where, and my number in NY. It’s a landline. I will also have my cell phone, but reception in the family home on LI is lousy. Again, please email me for the number.

    Dave Shutter has given me a tablet to stay in touch with y’all by email, in an effort to prevent a repeat of certain recent events that were slightly unpleasant… re: last summer and the unexpected visits by the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department AND certain folks from Cooper World… But I gotta learn how to use it, get Internet connections, and such.

    Brian, Dovid, and all other dwellers of the Cooper Vortex in the NY-NJ-CT sector are welcome. I’m voting for a late lunch. 3 pm?

  32. EU says:

    Hey Bruce, we talked about this several months back. I may well be in your neighborhood sometime around New Year’s Day. Email me your NY number. I look forward to meeting some of the East Coast contingent.

  33. shutter45 says:

    I get it Fly, trust me.

  34. brucesmith49 says:

    TC, “Uncle Bruce” or “Cousin Brucie” are fine with me. But you can call me what you’d like. Just don’t call me late to dinner….

  35. brucesmith49 says:

    The Corned Beef College is weighing in. So far: Dice from the DBCF, but it has to be after 8pm, Lenny Depaul from a recent DB Cooper shoot on the Travel Channel – but not on Wednesday, Brian R and the “contingent” from New Jersey. But not Dovid, alas.

  36. Terry Battcher says:

    Corned Beef College…now I’m getting very hungry!
    I’ve post some comments from here to Nanette Barto’s MB, so I’m gonna share this comment that I just made on her/my Cooper thread, it’s intended to be “food for thought”:

    Nanette, I just reviewed the “DAN COoper” signature on the Northwest Orient Skyjack/ NORJACK ticket, and it even has a JT hint in the way the letter p was made. He used both upper and lower case letter o’s, which match up in his historical documents. He implied a letter z with the way he structured the letter N. He put the slanted crossbar in the capital letter A. All of it adds up as proof that he was the same person that sent the taunting letter’s and cutouts after the skyjacking. All Zodiac Jack 101, every bit of it. And yes, Jack Tarrance absolutely fits all of the criteria of the evidence. He is by far the best suspect in the NORJACK case. His writing on that ticket was very deliberately structured. The smaller letter o is the “hoopsnake” type of o, as found on the other documents and especially the Ramsey ransom note. ( actually, perhaps “DAN COopEr” would be a better description of the letter types on the airline ticket.)

  37. Terry Battcher says:

    By doing all of those deliberate details to the airline ticket signature, he encrypted that ticket. What FBI?

  38. Terry Battcher says:

    shutter45 says:
    December 10, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Cooper didn’t write on the ticket….
    Please explain this remark to me. Yeah, for one thing his name wasn’t necessarily “Cooper.” What is your point, shutter45?

    • TC says:

      Shutter is saying that only the ticket agent wrote on the ticket. Cooper wouldn’t. He recalled all of his notes back and jumped with them. No traces.

      • Terry Battcher says:

        That’s not been the conventional report that I’ve heard. I’t been reported that the UNSUB filled out the ticket himself.

  39. brucesmith49 says:

    The question of who wrote the ticket is controversial. However, the overwhelming number of principals involved and investigators claim that the ticket agent filled out the ticket by himself and that Dan Cooper did not. Unfortunately, the ticket agent – and I forget his name – is deceased and can not answer the question more definitively.

    Fueling the controversy is Tom Colbert, who often and loudly claims that the “unsub” as you call him, filled out the ticket based upon a vague inference from Larry Carr.

  40. brucesmith49 says:

    That has been the general understanding in Norjak, TC. In fact, Bill Mitchell presented his ticket to several investigators at eh DZ and the Forum to show that the handwriting between his tix and Cooper’s is similar enough to say that the same guy filled it out.

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