By Bruce A. Smith
Headlines this week ranging from Fox News to the Seattle Post-Intelligence have proclaimed the FBI has just released a letter from DB Cooper that they received shortly after his iconic skyjacking in 1971.
This news item was introduced to the world’s media by Los Angeles film and TV producer Thomas J. Colbert, who is best-known for appearing in the 2016 History Channel documentary on DB Cooper. In the broadcast, Colbert vigorously promoted Robert Rackstraw as the skyjacker DB Cooper, but was unable to prove it to the FBI’s satisfaction nor the public’s.
The flap over the DB Cooper letter appears to be the latest in a promotional campaign by Colbert to promote Rackstraw, apparently to build momentum for a docu-drama filmed by his colleagues in Hollywood.
Besides the lack of any definitive proof linking Rackstraw to the skyjacking, the primary eye-witness, Flight Attendant Tina Mucklow stated on-camera for the History Channel (HC) that a photo of Rackstraw from that era was not a picture of the skyjacker.
But Colbert was not dissuaded. In the aftermath of his rebuff by the HC, Colbert sued the FBI in federal court and demanded that they dismiss his 100-plus pieces of circumstantial evidence against Rackstraw. The FBI, so far, has refused.
In turn, Colbert filed a Freedom of Information Act request demanding that the FBI turn over copies of all their DB Cooper files. It is my understanding that again Colbert was refused, but he gained access to 3,000 FBI field notes from other researchers who had successfully filed FOIA requests with the FBI.
It is believed that there are over 70,000 pages of DB Cooper files that may be eventually delivered to Cooper historians, so this initial grouping of 3,000 is just the start of a major investigatory project. In turn, Colbert has made them available to many Cooper sleuths, including leading researchers at the DB Cooper Forum.
In that initial pile of documents, however, Colbert apparently found the letter that is now being called the “I Knew” letter because its opening sentence begins: “I knew from the start that I wouldn’t be caught.” The letter is several paragraphs long and filled with numerous spelling and grammatical errors. It is signed, “DB Cooper,” and Colbert believes it is legit.
However, the skyjacker never called himself “DB Cooper.”
In fact, the individual who hijacked the airplane identified himself as “Dan Cooper” at the Portland, Oregon airport when he bought his one-way ticket to Seattle. Minutes later he hijacked the plane, then released the passengers at Sea-Tac when his ransom demands for four parachutes and $200,000 in cash were met by Northwest Orients officials and the FBI. Soon afterwards he parachuted out the rear of this 727 aircraft, disappearing with all of his gear and money except for about $6,000 that was found in 1980 buried on a Columbia River beach.
But within hours of the skyjacking Dan Cooper received a name change. When the passengers deplaned in Seattle, FBI agents realized their hijacker was “Cooper, D,” which was what NWO recorded in its flight manifest. Authorities in Seattle then contacted Portland police and asked if they had any robbery suspects named “D. Cooper,” and one detective said they had a serial burglar named D.B. Cooper. Hearing that the FBI said, “Pick him up.”
An Associated Press journalist standing nearby heard the conversation and informed his editors that the copse were looking for a DB Cooper, which was true but misleading. Nevertheless, the AP put out the moniker and the world then accepted the smooth alliteration of DB Cooper as the name of the skyjacker. Even the FBI began called the skyjacker “DB Cooper” in the days that followed.
But is it likely a skyjacker would called himself Dan Cooper would adopt his new name when he wrote a taunting letter to the FBI? Why not use his “real” hijacking name to solidly prove his authenticity?
Regardless, Colbert accepts the notion that a letter signed “DB Cooper” must be from the skyjacker. Colbert makes that claim because the letter states that he did not leave any fingerprints, and Colbert accepts the FBI’s claims that no usable fingerprints were retrieved from the aircraft after the hijacking, despite many conflicting statements from FBI officials concerning the fingerprints.
Further, Colbert is intimating that the FBI has covered-up this letter until now.
But those charges are bogus. The “I Knew” letter has been known publicly for years, and was discovered in 2011 by an Internet Cooper sleuth known as Snowmman, and posted at the DropZone chat room and elsewhere.
Further, I wrote extensively about the “I Knew” letter and many others collected by the FBI in the weeks after the skyjacking and all signed “DB Cooper.” In my book: DB Cooper and the FBI – A Case Study of America’s Only Unsolved Skyjacking, I devote an entire chapter to an examination of these letters, most of which were sent to newspapers in the Pacific Northwest and eventfully delivered to the FBI.
The only thing that is really new is that Tom Colbert has finally read the “I Knew” letter.
But cover-ups and mysteries do surround the letters received by the FBI. In the amalgam of these letters four stand out and they are often called the “Core-Four.” The “I Knew” is not one of them, and most Cooper researchers and journalists dismiss it as a crank, pedestrian missive.
But the Core Four are very interesting, They are mostly cut and paste jobs, and cryptic. Letter #3 is the most unusual and has gained the most attention from investigators.
Additionally, the actions of an individual named Al Di has drawn exceptional attention to Letter #3. In August 2011, Al Di released a statement to the Oregonian and Cooper chat rooms claiming that he had “decoded” the so-called Letter #3.
In Letter #3, all the letters, words, or sentence fragments are cut from either the June or July 1970 Playboy magazine. This decoding was revealed by Al Di, but whether he did it or discovered who in the FBI had originally performed that analysis is unknown. Regardless, Al Di told the world about it, and prior it had been a big secret at the FBI. In fact, FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach lied to Galen Cook, a leading DB Cooper sleuth, about its presence in the FBI files.
So, we do not know if Letter #3 is legitimately from DB Cooper, or why the FBI has wanted to keep it under wraps until now.
Plus, we don’t know who Al Di is, nor do we know how he gained access to Letter #3 when the rest of the world didn’t know about it.
As a result, Al Di is widely believed to be an FBI agent or a group of agents. Ever since Al Di surfaced DB Cooper researchers suspected Al Di was Cooper Case Agent Curtis Eng. One of the reasons for that belief is that Eng had just taken over the case from the innovative Larry Carr, and Eng seemed eager to capitalize on Carr’s tremendous relationships with online sleuths and journalists. In late 2011 and early 2012, Eng contacted several Cooper researchers, especially one attorney long-active in the case, the aforementioned Galen Cook.
In fact, Cook reported that Al Di also began emailing him, stating that during this period of time he received sixty emails from Eng and Al Di in total, and both lines of communication abruptly ceased in June 2012. Cook also reported that the communication from Al Di were well-informed, insightful, and clearly from someone who had an advanced knowledge of the case.
Al Di also participated in a DB Cooper chat room known as “websleuths,” posing as “IDLA,” which is Al Di spelled backwards. At the websleuths, IDLA seemed to be probing Cooper sleuths for a deeper level of information. Perhaps he was also trolling for the real DB Cooper.
Reportedly, Al Di was also a voracious reader of Cooper news at the Mountain News-WA and the DB Cooper Forum, the leading source of in-depth information on the DB Cooper case.
Currently. some sleuths, including Cook, have come to believe that Al Di is a collective of at least two FBI agents lead my Eng who are trying to smoke-out the hijacker. However, this scenario accepts the notion that DB Cooper survived the skyjacking, is still living, and the FBI knows it – but can’t find him.
Or is accepting of those possibilities and is seeking to rule them out in some fashion.
Cook also states that the FBI believes that Letter #3 is from the skyjacker and that it is a “major cipher.” In addition, he says that it has received the full attention of a team of cryptographers from the FBI, who apparently haven’t cracked the code yet.
Another hypothesis is that Curtis Eng didn’t trust the FBI and conducted an end-run investigation around the FBI, posing as Al Di to procure Cooper information free of federal interference.
Nevertheless, the investigation into Letter #3, Al Di, and the behaviors of the FBI continues.
To that end, here are the letters in question:
Letter #3:
“Am alive and well in hometown P.O.
The system that beat the system
DB Cooper”
As for the “I Knew” letter, initially Snowmman found it at the New York Times. Now, we know from the FOIA files that it was also sent to the LA Times, the Seattle Times, and the Washington Post. In addition, the “I Knew “ letter was mailed from Seattle, and was received by the FBI from the newspapers three weeks after the hijacking.
Further, the FOIA documents show that the letter had a mysterious list of numbers, “717171684,” typed next to the notation “Wash Post” in the bottom left corner of the page.
Here is the letter in full:
“Sirs,
I knew from the start that I wouldn’t be caught. I didn’t rob Northwest Orient because I thought it would be romantic, heroic or any of the other euphemisms that seem to attach to situations of high risks.
I’m no modern day Robin Hood. Unfortunately I have only 14 months to live. My life has been one of hate, turmoil, hunger and more hate; this seems to be the fastest and most profitable way to gain a few fast grains of peace of mind. I don’t blame people for hating me or what I’ve done nor do I blame anybody for wanting me to be caught and punished, though this can never happen. Here are some (not all) of the things working against the authorities:
I am not a boasting man
I left no fingerprints
I wore a toupee
I wore putty make-up
They could add or subtract from the composite a hundred times and not come up with an accurate description; and we both know it. I’ve come and gone on several airline flights already and am not holed up in some obscure backwoods town. Neither am I a psycopathic [sic] killer. As a matter of fact I’ve never even received a speeding ticket.
Thanks for you attention.
DB Cooper”
Lastly, tomorrow, Wednesday November 22, 2017 is the 46th Anniversary of the DB Cooper skyjacking. Happy Anniversary Everyone!
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Letter #3 Decoded by Al Di
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Bruce, I sent you an e-mail today detailing more explanation about AlDi, IDLA, and Letter #3. The most recent letter that Tom Colbert retrieved from the FBI’s garbage can is a canard. It wasn’t from the real hijacker. Fake. Wannabe. There are actually several other fake DB Cooper letters that never made it into the news world. Letter’s #1- #4 are much more likely to be from the real hijacker. Letter #3 is the crown jewel of crime cyphers. It has never been cracked and the FBI withheld comment about it until 2011. In that year, it was finally outed by AlDi and posted on the Portland “Oregonian’s” web page, with partial analysis. AlDi was the NORJAK case handler in 2011 trying to muster up some attention, just as Larry Carr did in 2007 posting as CKRET. Ralph Himmelsbach certainly knew about Letter #3 in 1971. Letter #3 was postmarked from the Portland area. It contains simple words and phrases from two Playboy magazines published in 1970. It’s a coded letter and it carries enough weight in its message to potentially resolve NORJAK. AlDi, and the FBI knew that. They just couldn’t crack the code. Clever hijacker, creating more confusion for law enforcement.
Thanks, Galen. And thanks for sharing up-to-the-minute news with our readers.
Hi Bruce, thank you for sharing.Yesterday you and DB were the topic at our Thanksgiving meal…
Thanks, Kathy, you made my day!!!
Bruce, I’ve re-read your opening statement for this thread and I first wanna say that I truly appreciate your work on it, I really do. I have a lot of comments to make about it, but letter #3 is first and foremost. As you know, every single cutout came from certain pages of those Playboy mags. For a prime example,”The system that beats the system” came from the Magnavox add, as I’m sure you know. My point is gonna be that I believe that everyone is looking at these clues as though there must be a much more sophisticated encryption here, rather than thinking of the thing as ‘catalog of basic hints.’ However, and having said that, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a deeper encryption(s) within. As I’m composing this message, I have the page in my own thread open to where Nanette is giving her own report on the thing, and her summation. You can tell that in my post #93 that follows, that I was hunting and pecking for ideas too.
But the basic themes found on those pages made overall sense to Nanette and myself, at that point in time. I’ve discovered many non-Cooper things since that point in time. Things that really opened things up for me, and those things came mainly from the Ramsey ransom note. I was looking “too hard” at the Ramsey RN and missed some very basic hints.
My childhood friend Bob Shilz saved my well being by asking me: “Hey, don’t you think that a lot of the letter d’s look like nooses?” Immediately I knew he was right. “The letter d in “stray dog” actually shows the device used to murder JBR, t-handle and all…and it’s not the only figurine that does this, there are at least two more that do this.
Please understand that I’d been at the Ramsey case RN for quite some time and I was getting pretty sick of dealing with it. I had categorized the letter p’s, but I wasn’t actually “seeing” them for what they really are and how they were supposed to be used. Well, I got another serving of humble pie when I first realized that they were drawn to be male genitalia, given the evidence that the letter p in “respect” points at the word “cuntry”, with it’s diminished letter o. Further down that page you get the ‘weener’ hint , with “paper” over “between”.
In reviewing the Cooper documents, I can now plainly see the emphasis that he placed on the letter p, hence: “The Lazy Pipe Tobacco” letter P jumps right out at me. Nanette and I got a kick out of the “CAREER KILLER’S” page too, because that was an idea and observation that was already well established between the two of us.
Then ask Colbert (ret) what he thinks about the “B”D Cooper document and the “David Bartholomew Cooperhead” document. I’m being a smart ass here, because I think Colbert is simply a grand-stander.
In keeping with your ALDI statements, I think that ALL of the taunting documents in the current FOIA Cooper files were from the same person, and I think this for several good reasons. And…I think that I can demonstrate this too. It’s currently a work in progress. The Zodiac killer bragged “I have left certain little clues.” And…. you know as well as I; that certain members of the FBI were most definitely comparing these Cooper taunting documents to the Zodiac killer documents, that’s easy enough to prove. I don’t care what the FBI brass did to obscure the Zodiac killer connections.
Sound bites, that’s what most people have attention spans for these days: Terry B B
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Examine carefully the structure of the three examples of the word “delivery” and the words that are around each example on the so-called Ramsey ransom note. The stem of the letter i’s tell the story. They show intentional murder and a direct threat towards John Ramsey. Study all of the letter i’s and compare. Note that most of the letter d’s resemble nooses, with the word “dog” showing the noose handle device. Now study the way the letter p’s were structured, they resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. These last two discoveries led me to easily decode “Victory! S.B.t.C”. This same sign-off points to a set of coordinates that fully prove the decode methodology that I used, and in turn prove that the ransom note was composed far in advance of the murder. In fact, I’ve discovered several lightly coded messages on the RN. The ransom note is not simply “disguised” writing, it’s heavily encrypted writing. The Ramsey ransom note is by far one of the most sophisticated, yet simplistic documents imaginable. The message “The [Zodiac/(cross-hairs symbol)] not Speaking,” found between lines 7 and 11 is only one of several items that the author left behind to show the linkage to the Zodiac killer cases. Believe it or not, he also left direct evidence linking the DB Cooper caper documents. Bear in mind that JonBenet was strangled to death with what was essentially parachute cord.
On page 353 in the 14 of 22 PDF DB Cooper/FBI vault files is a letter which appears to be from J Edgar Hoover himself, or perhaps a trusted underling? It states that the FBI lab couldn’t make a connection between the “Hospitality” letter and Zodiac extortion letters.
So far, I’ve only found hints that the FBI was even considering Zodiac killer document linkage. They offer no explanation as to why they would be looking in that direction.
Also, from my perspective, the FBI offers very few actual Zodiac documents in their Zodiac killer vault files. This is highly deceptive given the fact that this document on page 353 claims that the lab compared the files in question.
Bear in mind that in 1947 the newspapers apparently reported that the Black Dahlia’s stocking were found at 12th and Hoover in Los Angeles. More than one author has reported that J Edgar was a queer and cross-dresser.
I point out that the many files that referred to several different suspects in the Cooper case, are practically worthless if the composite drawings of the Cooper UNSUB are wrong.
So far, I’ve noted several suspicious redaction’s, especially those that obscure the name of one FBI special agent, while revealing the name of another!
I have a lot more to study and report about these FBI files, that’s for sure. Maybe Comey isn’t such a bad guy after all, given the fact and subsequent effect that he’s drawn attention to the Cooper case by closing it!
When I review the documents involved, I have a “little list” (a Zodiac killer quote) of things that I’m looking for. I had suspected that D”B” might have been a hint at “BD”, as in the 1947 Black Dahlia case. Low and behold, I got several things from the Cooper documents that bolster this line of reasoning. For one thing, you have to pay attention to the little details in the documents, like a missing period behind the letter B. The transposition of the DB to BD is another, the vertically split letter B’s are another. The backwards facing letter p is very very key, as is the backwards facing letter r. On the Ramsey ransom note, there are several of these tell-tail items, which I’ve referred to as “signature” items. For example, the cryptic sign off “Victory! S.B.t.C”, has no period after the letter C. I use the lower case letter t here, because some of the early copies show a stem protruding through the cross bar. The “Hospitality” letter and envelope are practically “loaded” with signature items that show that they’re Zodiac killer items. The same goes for the Playboy cutouts “System” documents. The totality of these hints and the way they relate, indicate ownership. Somewhat subtle JT’s and “fOllOw(sic)” hints are found on crime documents from as early as 1947. The type of JT hints found on the “Hospitality” envelope are a throwback to the Suzanne Degnan case. However, the Ramsey ransom note is practically saturated with JT hints, in both primary and secondary forms. “FolLaW(sic) is found on the Ramsey RN, and it too is just subtle enough to show his ownership of that particular item. In the Cooper documents, I’m not certain that the “Viva Las Vegas” documents are his, there are subtle hints, but I just don’t know at this point. I tend to think that it was maybe a “mimic” taunt.(?) BTW, the whole “Victory! S.B.t.C” cryptic sign-off strongly hints as a Christian motif or theme, the ransom note has more of these hints and these same hints denote that a very deliberate murder took place. It’s sad but interesting that the sign-offs alpha numerals fit a key code which proves that a deliberate murder took place. By using this same methodology on the Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher, which uses the backwards facing letter p’s to obtain the Pelican Butte coordinates, this told me that I am on the right track. Further reinforcement comes from the “BD” Cooper document found in the FBI’s own files! That same document, while suspiciously poor in quality, appears to show currency notes. Were these same notes part of the $200 missing from the $5800 stack, supposedly found on Tena bar? Perhaps I’ve been all wrong about James Comey?
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The “smoking gun” document that shows direct evidence and linkage to the JonBenet’ Ramsey ransom note, is the “SKY MARSHALLS” envelope. It has no less than 3ea figurines found on the Ramsey RN. These same hints are subtle, but very detectable. Figurines dominate the Ramsey ransom note.
Most people don’t readily see these same figurines because they’re distracted by the document verbiage, and they assume that the handwriting is disguised by “squiggly” writing. I viewed that document the same way when I first saw it. It wasn’t until I set out to disprove the statement of a woman from California, when she stated that “Jack’s initials were all over it,” that was an awakening for me. I viewed this same women as a person that was working hard to discredit Jack Tarrance as a valid suspect. Low and behold, JT’s dominate the structure of the Ramsey RN! If she truly knew this, then why didn’t she embellish this same fact? I think that the “why” is because I was correct in asserting that she was out to discredit the JT connection. Or…maybe she was just sly enough to get me to pick up the Jack Tarrance torch? Prior to the JT discovery, I was already convinced that Tarrance was ‘by far’ the only valid suspect ever named in the Zodiac crimes, and based on no less than 8ea items of evidence. And… I’m counting handwriting as only one of those items. The strongest item, IMHO, are the Flova hints. Flova was his mother’s middle name. “FolLaW(sic) hint on the Ramsey RN is the tie that binds, IMHO. The 340 cypher has 6ea FLO hints, two of which are FLOV adjacent letter hints. No other adjacent letter/symbol combination does this on that whole document.
One more point for today, is to note this peculiar and telling line on the “I knew” letter. This line is only one of several items that proves to me that it is a Zodiac killer/JT document: “Neither am I a psycopathic [sic] killer. As a matter of fact I’ve never even received a speeding ticket.”
I could dedicate and embellish an entire chapter that breaks down the “I knew” letter, and demonstrate that it’s something that I’d refer to as a Zodiac Jack 101 document.
A $200k ransom demand in $20 dollar bills is a taunting joke, as was the $118,000 ransom demand in the Ramsey case a sick and taunting joke. Think these points through carefully objectively my friends.
This “letter” has all the credibility of claims that Elvis is managing a 7-11 store in Butte, Montana.
Dick
Interestingly enough, Letter #3 did reach Montana. The Montana Gazette, actually. In early December 1971, the FBI sent a copy of Letter #3 to the Montana Gazette for publication. And they did. It was an attempt by the Bureau to flush out an “alleged” hijacking ring in the Big Sky state, thinking this is where the hijackers originated. Cooper never saw the letter, though. He was hoping that the Portland “Oregonian” would publish it, but they didn’t. Himmelsbach prevented publication. The agents from that era knew all about Letter #3, and while it stayed out of the mainstream for 40 years, a few agents knew they had been had by Cooper and honestly believed that “he beat the system.”
The other interesting thing to me about letter #3 was how it mentions the one topic Cooper got upset when Tina asked about it – his hometown. Whether Cooper ever lived in Portland, I’m betting it was NOT his hometown.
Also, as none of the letters came from Reno and the decision to fly to Reno was not part of DBC’s original plan, IF the letters came from DBC and were intended to be red herrings, he may never have been in Reno.
As for letter 5 – actually, the spelling and grammatical errors are not egregious. He doesn’t use the Oxford comma, which again would indicate to me he was American, not Canadian. Until very recently, Canadian schools adhered fairly strictly to British spelling and punctuation. I’m more impressed by his typing – no strike-outs in an age before Wite-Out, and blocked business-style paragraphing.
Hard call on whether it really came from Cooper. On the one hand, in some ways it sounds like the way Cooper is described – businesslike, well-spoken (written), and clearly the FBI took it seriously at some point. On the other, why send letters at all if you’re better off with the FBI thinking you’re dead?
Ah, but the 14-month-till-death scenario. You get to kinda brag while stating you’re not a bragging man (wouldn’t that pretty much eliminate Rackstraw, the Mouth that Ate the Headlines?) and state you pulled the caper off with a note to stop looking for you soon, ‘cos you’ll be dead. How con-VEE-nient, as the Church Lady would say.
I like your reasoning, Lynn. I agree with it.
My “take” is that the “System That Beats the System” taunt, is meant to imply that the CIA beat the FBI. In those days the FBI received huge allocations, whereas the CIA had a much smaller budget. Can I state with perfect certainty that this was the primary motive? No…but it seems to make overall sense. One subject that no one seems to talk about is the ground target Cooper would have needed and how to find it. Gas powered infrared lanterns were already in use by the military by 1952 and this is said to have been classified info. Your TV remote uses modulated infrared signals. RCA sold a card with a special coating on it which converted the signal into visible red light. Perhaps Cooper’s sunglasses had a special coating on them? Otherwise any number of bad things could have potentially happened to him. Leaving that clip on tie behind in an otherwise meticulously executed skyjacking, would seem kind of dumb, unless it was all part of the plan? Which I think it was. The cutout that refers to the Bow Brummell ties tends to show that whomever composed it, had inside crime scene knowledge. There’s a lot more to note about the other Playboy pages that the letters in question each point to. Shifting gears here, note that the model in one of the copies is underwater, upside down, and with her eye’s wide open. Hold that thought for awhile. Now go to the page which has “career killers”, then “The Lazy Pipe tobacco”, then “the trooper with the mask”, etc, etc, etc. Here’s been my main focus since 2011, and we link the D”B” Cooper caper via the documents, and not just the handwriting. This information is currently the best kept secret in the world and it’s being suppressed:
Go look…and zoom out and read the road names: Three key breakthroughs on the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note came on: 1) on 09-20-16, with the letter d’s. 2) on 11-20-16, the same for the letter p’s. 3) And on 02-20-17, when I easily decoded the “Victory ! S.B.t.C” sign off… and it points to a very definitive set of coordinates in the state of Michigan. All of the letter d’s are shaped like nooses, with the one in the word “dog,” which depicts the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, T-handle and all. Prior to this I was puzzled by the way the letter p’s were shaped and I had grouped them in a column in order to study them. Well, in fact, they were drawn to resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. Upon studying the last letter p, I came to realize that it strongly hints at both Detroit and Lake Michigan and points to “Victory! S.B.t.C”. The letter V hints to double as a backwards stemmed letter N and the letter i hints and doubles as a colon. Using a very simple alphabet to number table, the cryptic sign off easily and obviously decodes to: N:42.015182 -86.192203. This decoding involves the realization that the letter c in Victory also hints and doubles as a letter J laying on it’s back. The letter J is the 10th letter of the alphabet, it’s first significant digit is used to raise the value of the c, which equals 3, to a value of 4. From there, the rest of the solve is straightforward. The nearest intersection to this solve is Garret Rd (a garrote hint) and Burke St, the victim’s brother. The “paper” over “between” hint results in the letters “peep”, which easily renders 165516, which, in turn offers up -86.165516, which in turn puts you on the northbound lane of Burke St. The state of Michigan has a longitude range of between -83 to -86, -86 is nearest Lake Michigan. In the world of coded messages, this is a very simple and rather rudimentary encryption. By strict definition, this evidence is truly “empirical”. Go Look! Zoom out a little. I used Google maps for this. Because of our lock-step controlled fake news media, this information is still being suppressed. Law enforcment was duly notified, as was Ramsey atty L Lin Wood. As a result of this decode, I was able to easily decode a coordinates message in the infamous Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher. This same message reinforces the evidence that the Zodiac killer persona possessed inside information linking him to the so-called D”B” Cooper hijacking. The FBI under James Comey, suspiciously shut down the D”B” Cooper investigation. BTW, the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, is depicted at least twice on the RN, study the letter d in the word “and” which is directly under the obviously intentionally misspelled word “posession(sic).” That document carries and contains several messages, including and especially the message: “The [Zodiac] not Speaking” I did NOT solve the 340 ciper, but rather I discovered a simple encryption pointed to by the p’s and 9’s, each of which have very vertical stems, as do the stems of the p’s on the Ramsey RN. I take offense to those that violate the true meaning of the term “solved”. My solve of “Victory! S.B.t.C, came via valuable input from at least two other persons, and humble tenacity on my part.
It’s pretty easy to see by comparison of the envelopes that these were Zodiac killer documents. Especially the one that the “System” cutouts letter came in. I has the double postage and is addressed to the editor, which is another signatory statement. Apparently certain persons within the FBI also attributed them to the same Zodiac author. While I can easily show that there’s no way the Dr George Hodel was “the Zodiac”, I do think that his son did a good job of linking the Zodiac and Black Dahlia cases via document comparisons. On page 85 in the 16 of 22 FBI vault files is a very interesting and very key document that fits in with my studies. It has several elements that tie up linkage between the Black Dahlia (BD.), Zodiac, the Norjak/Cooper caper (D.B) and the vicious and highly planned overkill murder of little JonBenet’ Ramsey. That backwards letter p is of very very great significance in terms of evidence. That document also shows the use of his “not” word and statement modifiers, which act to invert, if you will, the truth of the statement which “on the surface” contains two lies. BTW, I’m halfway through the Colbert complaint, and Rackstraw strikes me as a rather crude and sloppy criminal, whereas whomever the Cooper UNSUB was, he was a pretty cool character. I believe that with the right targeting technology, that the jumper was able to land right on a very specific target, which was certainly doable by 1971. It also offers an explanation for the “Magic Amulet” line from the 1969 horoscope cutouts letter. In the past I wrote a hypothesis which might explain how the $5800 ended up separated from the rest of the loot.: I wrote that perhaps Cooper pulled out $6000 and removed $200 and put it in his pants pocket as a souvenir and perhaps also as insurance(?), then he quickly put the $5800 in his outer coat pocket and it blew out during the jump(?). Otherwise, it sure seems planted, doesn’t it? But it was very dilapidated.
When I applied the same simple decoding method used on the Ramsey note sign-off to the 340 cipher, it lands in Pelican Butte Oregon=Oregonian hint, so do the special particles on the tie. Get it? It turns out that there was a primal Pelican Zodiac sign, which is something that I only learned of a few days ago. Hey, I never exaggerate and I never make things up, I follow the evidence and comment on it according to it’s possible merit and in every single instance. I don’t know who jumped and I don’t know who carried out the Ramsey murder, but I’m very certain of who the author actually was.
Notice the letter p in “cooper,” my copy shows a base to the stem, the one posted here, presumably by Bruce, is missing the base detail. Why is that? BTW, Check out NanetteB777 on YouTube. In my research, the letter p is of great significance. Each of the Playboy pages that the letters came from, is also of very great significance. The capital letter W was also used throughout our suspects documents. Open backed letter b’s, both capital and lower case were signature items. The “I knew” letter has split letter B’s. I’m very confidant in what I report. By the time he got to composing the Ramsey ransom note (and it never truly was a ransom note), he stepped up all of these items, with the exception of several backwards or reversed letters. However, there is one example on line 25 of the second page in the word “try”. He also demonstrates his early version of his JT initials on line 21 of the first page in the word “to”. You can see this same type of item on the “ReNo/ Hospitality” letter, which is also a throwback to the 1946 Suzanne Degnan ransom letter. My “take” on the “I knew” letter, is to say that the Zodiac persona is saying that he knew about the Cooper skyjacking long in advance. This is clearly seen on the FBI’s Zodiac document labeled QC40, which they apparently want hidden from the public. I strongly assert that out prime suspect left a journal of his activities and it’s now a matter of assembling all of his hints that were left behind. The Zodiac persona stated: “I have left certain clues”. He’s telling us how the gangsters that he was associated with operated. He’s squealing on them from the grave. He set them up and nowadays they’re coming apart at the seams. There’s far more political and criminal dimension to the Cooper caper than readily meets the eye.
Oops, my bad, I meant to say that the Vancouver letter has the split letter B’s. “I knew: might be a mimic? I need to spend more time on that letter.
So far in my deeper study of the DB Cooper FBI files, I’ve noted several documents were from actual witnesses that saw the Cooper UNSUB were disputing the composite drawing. All of these folks were saying that he had a wider head and a wider nose. However, the original composite hasn’t been changed to reflect these discrepancy. They also say he was heavier and older than described. One file in particular states and compares information from Northwest Airlines and a radar base in Portland, fixing to an area just to the east of LeCenter Washington. This same area makes far greater sense as a drop zone. It has several conjoined plowed fields and it’s very close to interstate 5. It’s also very near Paradise Point State Park, which from my observations is a far too uncanny. Conversely, the reports that fixate on the area near Merwin Dam rely on flight logs, which means that you’re taking the word of someone vs the more scientific information from flight data recorders and a radar fix. Merwin Dam is approx 6 miles northeast of LeCenter, which is a very significant difference, radar alone isn’t gonna be that far off. It’s very easy for the average person to see and note that two diverging narratives emerge from the FBI files. When I first became involved with the study of the Cooper caper, my colleague Nanette Barto was asserting that Jack Tarrance probably did the jump himself, however that composite didn’t jibe, so I stayed with the documents. I recently admitted to her that Tarrance is as good of a suspect as any, if not far better than any others named, because his description does fit very well. And…he had the armed service credentials, sans the parachute certification documents. Nanette also said that he had developed a limp during this same time frame. I can also tell you that no other suspect ever named in the 1969 Paul Stine murder ever matched the description as closely as that of Jack Tarrance, none! This same description is fully compatible with two other sightings. All Zodiac killer picture and figurine items had one and only one noun in common….and that “noun” is the word “jack.” Playboy bunnies having “jack” rabbits attracted to the them? Get it?
Having been interviewed about this case on a radio show in the past, this emphasis on these letters being from “Cooper” by Colbert strikes me as just plain silly.
1. Cooper identified himself as “Dan Cooper” and not DB Cooper, a mistake made by a wire service reporter
2. The “I knew” letter reads as pure crazy/false confession BS. “Im not a boasting man” yet the writer goes on to note “I left no fingerprints”. Contradictory nonsense.
3. As I noted in a previous interview about this case, the flaw most have made is trying to take a “suspect” and prove he is Cooper. This doesn’t work because we still know very little about Cooper himself more than 45 years later. The best approach it seems to be is to examine and investigate the details and aspects of this case and let evidence and facts dictate-deductive reasoning as opposed to inductive reasoning.
4. If Colbert is trying to get a film-TV or theatrical- out of this promotion of Rackstraw, then he is barking up the wrong tree.
I concur, Albert. Thanks for posting.
#3 above, as to deductive reasoning is the logical approach taken by good detectives. However, it doesn’t work in the DB Cooper case for many reasons. Here, deductive logic can be applied to provide motive and opportunity. A character profile can be crudely constructed. However, Cooper doesn’t fit the profile of the stereotypical hijacker of the 60’s and 70’s. His physical profile is of the average white male in that era. His age is at least 40, which clearly rules out Christianson and Rackstraw. What you have left is a guy in a suit and tie, clean-cut, and somewhat relaxed. There is no previous profile of this type of hijacker. Additionally, there is mounting evidence to show the hijacker was clever AFTER the hijacking, that is, his mission became one to confuse and throw-off law enforcement. If the FBI can be confused and thrown-off, as they certainly were, then you are left with a guy who is hard to find. And you have to resort to inductive reasoning to chase him down. No easy task, and I agree with you, that most persons spinning a candidate are just angling for a quick movie and book. Their stories are nonsense.
I like your reasoning too, Albert. I’d like to know who exactly it was that first reported it as D “B” Cooper? Did anyone else notice the cutout letter W, which pointed to the Bow Brummell ad page with the clip-on ties, as a primary hint? Of course someone must have? It would make sense that FBI agents would recognize that this and other hints pointed to inside crime scene knowledge. Isn’t anyone else suspicious of the fact that the MSM apparently refused to acknowledge the B discrepancy and ran with the title “DB” Cooper? I think that aspect of the Cooper caper stinks to high “heaven.” Hint- hint, follow me and I’ll tell you why I emphasized the word “heaven.” BTW, Bruce does a great job of explaining this whole “core four” letter business. I like it!
EdItor’s note: Galen Cook has been a leading DB Cooper researcher for several decades, and his comments are always welcome here.
Thank you, Bruce. I made an error on the above post. As to age, I meant that Richard McCoy and Rackstraw would be ruled out, not Christianson. McCoy and Rackstraw were both under age 30 in 1971, too young to be the hijacker according to all eyewitnesses. The reasons I ruled out Christianson: (1) height too short, (2) no regular steward/flight attendant would be stupid enough to hijack a plane of their own employer, then go back to work, and (3) Christianson’s brother told a radio talk show host that he really didn’t believe Christianson was the hijacker, but he liked the story nevertheless and hoped to make big money in movie rights in his dreamed-up plot.
Galen what are your thoughts on James E. Klansnic as a suspect?
I don’t have enough information to make a sound judgment. Sorry.
‘EdItor’s note: Galen Cook has been a leading DB Cooper researcher for several decades, and his comments are always welcome here…’
Robert says: We have screenshots of Cook’s bogus threats posted at the DB Cooper Forum Dot Com regarding Bernie Geestman and the Auburn Avenue Theater. He quit the site soon after he became aware of them. We have a PDF document verified by Matt Mullenweg’s office at WordPress (he’s the co-founder of WordPress) where Cook makes obscene comments under false usernames with his IP address attached. We have a copy of a complaint readied for the Washington State Bar Association in Olympia with his name on it, which was the only way we could get him to back off the obscene comments and the BS posts he made at the DB Cooper Forum dot com.
It’s just a thought, but you could find better friends I think.
Galen left the forum due to putting his comments on approval status..it had nothing to do with any action by you, or anyone attached to you, or any fear of you…then you wish to make threats to Galen by trying to harm his business life outside of the internet, why would you even attempt such a hateful thing due to trash talk on the internet? it’s bad enough that you go after Bruce constantly on your forum belittling him and then post links to your site here?
you try and blame me for actions of others. you claim a huge production company can’t get a hold of people and rely on you to do the work for them? you make claims that Andrade & Bruce could of split $30,000 for proof reading some things about Cooper. then spout off that it’s my fault for not informing them? production companies have there own research teams and can easily find people. you claim they dislike me and my forum but refuse to back any of this up . if they hate me so much then telling the truth and posting the production company can’t hurt, you always call people out for proof while you always hide everything claiming trust as a loophole. you have been caught in many lies over the years, another thing you try and speak against with others..lots of double standards in yourself. you originally posted the making of the film here, so how the hell is it my fault? you Mr. top notch investigator claim you couldn’t get a hold of Andrade, really. who do you think you are fooling, other than the misinformed reading your forum?
The original story from you was they bought the rights to your book and were making a film about Kenny…it has changed to a movie about DB Cooper and it’s all my fault the mentioned above lost out? personally, I think a television show would fit better..I don’t see a lot of people paying money to see a story about DB Cooper…not enough action involved and many today don’t know who Cooper is, or cares…I’m puzzled you haven’t alerted the press. why keep this a internet secret? you have no reason to exclude the production company, they don’t like us, right, so nothing would change there minds. I’ll use your tactics (source please) put up or shut up..the TRUTH goes a long way…that’s what you tell people when you want proof, or answers..you have milked this for over a year…it sounds like you have added a lot of sugar to this…
you always speak for others…nobody is “jealous” of the film Robert. I just hope it’s accurate IF it ever gets made…I do this as a hobby, I’m not in it for fame & fortune. I don’t seek out podcasts, or television shows. I don’t have the luxury you have posting all hours of the night about how everyone acts with the DB Cooper case. I have real life businesses to run, I actually have a social life. something you don’t seem to have. you are constantly looking for approval, or attention. if Bruce goes to the library, you go to the library…if we start a project, you start a project etc. etc. you fill your forum up with hatred against me, and members of my forum..you whine when we talk about you, and then you continue to whine when we don’t? you are on what, 5-6th forum? you have been closing it PERMANENTLY 10 plus times…you held your own members hostage trying to get me to remove the block. you constantly close the site to the public. you have no members on the forum. I wonder why? oh, that’s right, they email you vs posting…got it? you love to speak of flaws others have but you fail to see your own..
all of this because we don’t believe Kenny was Cooper? two FBI documents have surfaced about checking Northwest employee’s, especially flight crews. this again is something you claimed they didn’t do. you hate us because we found plenty of flaws in the research done about Kenny..the most embarrassing thing was actually posting a mortgage while claiming cash was paid in full lol..the $10 for the lot came in second..we did the exact same thing you do with suspects like LD, and Rackstraw..it’s ok for you to blast them, but god forbid someone speaks negative about good old Kenny…more double standards, no? you have been saying you are done with Cooper for years only to continue on, this includes bashing me since 2014. obsessed? don’t ya think it’s time to “move on” just as you have claimed for so long but just can’t seem to do. why is it so hard for you? the screenshot game can be played too…you have tried to be a one man wrecking ball for years…
Shutter aka Dave or whatever: Everyone who has ever investigated the Cooper case has made missteps along the way. You, me, other authors, the FBI, whomever. Let’s just say we found out a lot more about things after Bernie Geestman’s family came on board in 2015. You keep sending me your nasty emails, so a couple of days ago I inform you that your mail is now blocked. Today, you come after me using Bruce’s forum. NIce. I’ve heard all those things you say many times before from you, mostly from your emails.
If the AB Forum has no members, you are convinced Kenny isn’t Cooper, you don’t care about the upcoming picture, and you believe I just lied about everything concerning the investigation into Kenny Christiansen, etc….then you shouldn’t be worried, right? Yet you practically wrote an entire book chapter there.
Your email is still blocked, I’m certainly glad I’m NOT a member of your forum, and the only thing you’ll find at the AB Forum is the truth. I didn’t say members there (not many there, yes) communicated by email. I said people from the public often contacted me after dropping by. If your forum has problems, that is not my fault. But people there get jumped on a lot by other members who think they are the be all and end all regarding the Cooper case. Truth is, we think we have enough evidence now to present Kenny and Bernie as the perps not as a guess, but as historical fact. And that the families of both these men understand that. The studio execs working on the picture believe we are right as well. And the opinions of both these groups means a lot more to me than anything you and your friends might believe. Sincerely, Robert
I haven’t looked on your forum for some time now…I see you are constantly bringing us up as usual, something you accuse others of? here’s one for ya…you just can’t keep your mouth shut about me or my forum, can you?
I know you think we all care about this “alleged” film. it started out being about your book, now all of the sudden it’s all of our faults that we don’t want anything to do with the film? they bought the rights to your book, no? why the hell do they need us?
I could care less Robert..I do this for a hobby, so I don’t feel the need to reach out for money and get on a podcast, or television show, or prove anything to ANYONE…
You claim they don’t want anything to do with us, and yet you refuse to give any real info, just personal attacks. it’s dragging on two years now. you are a fool Robert..the site you run proves it. you hide everything. the last time I checked you had two members, both are you I would guess. it’s so obvious the obsession you have against me and my forum it’s beyond belief. you have been rambling on for YEARS and nothing comes of it..
Robert M Blevins, the M stands for “Milking” . you are the king of drama, even over Jo! you live to bitch about everything. you need it to function properly. get help dude, seriously.
Real nasty, right lol…nice try…
Bruce may be this or that, just like anyone else exploring the Cooper case. He’s never lied to me, that’s all I know. I have seen zero evidence on Klansnic, and your opinion of me is moot.
Minor correction: “I didn’t say members there (not many there, yes) communicated by email. I said people from the public often contacted me after dropping by…”
On our PREVIOUS forum, many of the members were family members of Christiansen. They would PM me sometimes, rather than posting publicly. On the forum we have NOW, mostly they email if they have something to say, although many of them are from the public. I told KC’s family, and Geestman’s, NOT to register on the NEW forum because I could no longer protect their identities. So communications between all of us are now done by email. Hope I straightened that out for you. Sincerely, Robert
I posted the email you consider “nasty” lol what ya got now?
you mean “previous forums” not singular…you state thousands view it, then turn around and close it to “members only” lol. you write plenty of “book type” comments…more double standards….lets look on the current forums and see who is talking about who?
you claim I’m writing a chapter? your forum has my name mentioned many times, and the forum..who’s writing what? nobody even mentions you on my forum, but your’s is full of comments about me and my forum lol more double standards care of Robert Blevins…
Robert, it’s in your best interest not to constantly bring up my name, or forum while attempting to play the victim..it’s as recent as December 30th you are talking about me. you keep bringing up things that are years old when you try and defend. the nasty comments from 2011, Galen of 2014 lol…you are living in the past dude…I seen comments every other day on your forum about me..you do the very same thing you blast others for..even past members of your forum clued you in on that…try another angle dude. how about responding to the questions? the failure of stating the production company tells me you are not being truthful. they hate us, so it shouldn’t matter, right? you are trying to turn the table on this…it’s about the truth, so if you fail to present the facts it means you are lying about things….that’s the bottom line! how do you say it…”honesty is the best policy” this isn’t the floor of the senate where you can plead the 5th. you claim a production company is making a film about Cooper, and they dislike me and my forum. again, nothing could hurt you from supplying the information unless you are not being HONEST. just like the emails…I posted the “nasty” one sent the other day..the last email was sent in August, so stop making it appear it’s frequent…the one in August was about the FBI checking employee’s…start being honest Robert….
“Today, you come after me using Bruce’s forum.”
why, because of the statements you made here, that’s why..you like to play the victim..
you speak of integrity, or honesty? you blast Bruce constantly, then feel it’s ok to post on his forum, something you are accusing me of, no? Bruce told me he finally agreed to work with the production company only to have you return with all kinds of hurdles. you are not being honest about this what so ever Robert…if they really wanted him, or Andrade they sure the hell don’t need input from you. it’s all smoke and mirrors dude. that’s why you don’t want to comply with giving the production companies name. the house of cards will fall..production companies are all grown up and don’t need there hand held.
I blocked you from emails several years ago, so again, stop the victim card..you don’t get them if you are blocked…one finally got through last year from you if you don’t recall? that’s why I never get any of your responses you claim online over the years..you were blocked from my forum in 2014 due behavior..then the volley of emails from you caused that to be blocked, then you even tried to get through off my website email. you resort to using a proxy server to gain access to my forum & website. I’ve even blocked you on my You Tube channels..you break just about every value you state. the double standards run a muck with you. now, you wish to use the victim card, really?
Bruce, feel free to remove all of these comments if you wish…
Uh…if you blocked me from emails long ago…and you keeping sending emails to MY address…what does that mean? It means you’re nothing but a one-way street. Look. There are literally hundreds of references to me by name over at your site. Many of them quite nasty. Many of them by the guy who had put up as a moderator, too. I mean Georger. So where in the heck do you get off complaining when I post a few things about stuff I have seen at your site? I don’t post up hateful things, don’t use peoples’ full names, and the forum is not restricted. The reason you’re here NOW…at BRUCE’s Site…is because you are pissed that I blocked your one-way email messages.
I’ve explained the situation with the production company several times with you. The execs there want nothing to do with your members where they have to tell you who they are. Because everyone knows someone at your site would blab everything. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement with them, you know. They were researching Cooper from about January 2015 until October 2016. During that time, they made frequent visits to the Cooper Forum. They were not impressed. All of the garbage you guys posted over there with my name attached only piqued their curiosity. Or as one of them said, “We wanted to know what all the fuss was about…” You actually drove them to me, and made them not trust YOU. They saw your site as some others do, as slanted, and non-inclusive. The more you try to shut out the truth, to close down voices, the more they come to the surface, the more people want to know why you bother.
I haven’t figured out exactly what you want here. You want information, sounds like. But you don’t even answer your mail. You send emails MY way…and then don’t acknowledge the responses. You want everything. You give exactly NOTHING but a hard time. I am not Jo Weber, by the way. Just saying.
Tell you what I will do, Shutter. I will take down the entries from December where your forum is mentioned and that should satisfy you. But I’m not taking your email off the blocked list, and I’m NOT providing confidential information to you and your friends just because you think you deserve to know. You guys mean nothing to me, and I couldn’t care less whether you believe Kenny and Bernie pulled off the hijacking or not. Why don’t I care? Because you’re not the people who count. Just a few old guys kicking around the Cooper case. That’s all you folks mean to me. I have a bigger audience in mind. Why don’t we let THEM decide who is right?
I have never met, nor have I ever spoken to Mr. Blevins whether it involves my work on the DB Cooper case, or any other subject matter I’ve been involved in. But I will address the issue above this one time only in order to clear the air for Mr. Blevins. You have made an unsubstantiated allegation against me. I suggest that the culprit you are actually seeking is Mr. Jerry Warner, aka, Georger. Georger uses, with frequency, a tactic of false impressions, inuendo, and outright fabrications to imposter others on the DB Cooper sites. I know that Mr. Warner hates Mr. Blevin’s guts and goes to extreme lengths to cause Mr. Blevins to hate others who pursue DB Cooper. I do not support Georger’s tactics of blind hatred and revenge internet postings. The fact of the matter is, I hold no personal grudges or ill will towards Mr. Blevins. He has the right to comment all he wants on his version of the DB Cooper events.
Galen: Look…I never intended to go through with the WSBA complaint anyway. I know about Georger, yes. I will also believe what you say. Your posts at the Cooper Forum aka ‘Coopsnoop’ are well-documented, but they were more funny than actually vindictive or anything. I will accept your explanation and leave it at that. No big deal…Sincerely, Robert
Sounds good, Robert.
You know how it is at the Cooper Forum anyway. Sometimes they post up some frankly amazing stuff. Other times its almost like they want to eat each others’ young. No middle ground at that place. For the most part, the general content of the site is informative and good.
Sounds good, Robert.
You were blocked for a reason…coming here has nothing to do with “being blocked” I didn’t even know. I was alerted that you were posting here. I don’t get blocked emails, so how did you get mine if I’m blocked? I posted that “nasty” email as you put it..no different than what I say here, no? see how you twist things around?
You love to speak for everyone. I won’t allow you to try and speak for me, got it? someone alerted me that you were posting here, so I came to take a look..as usual, you were talking about me, so I returned the favor. I don’t need information from you. you were asked a question, and you fail to answer it, plain and simple..
again, they bought the rights to your book, so why do they need me, or why would they come to me about Kenny? it doesn’t make sense. I’m not the one who had dedicated threads about me and my forum. you make it appear my forum surrounds one Robert Blevins..we are approaching 20,000 posts, and you are trying to claim over a quarter of them are about you..little full our ourselves ain’t we? you have been on a one man band since 2014 trying to discredit me and my forum Robert. I didn’t miss out on anything. I don’t wish to be connected to you, got it? again, they are perfectly prepared to contact anyone they wish, so stop saying I messed things up for Bruce & Andrade. that’s a lie, plain and simple.
The question once again…we are all aware the producers don’t like me, so provide the name, or we can stand with it all being a lie…the ball is in your court sir…it sounds kind of, how do you say it, slanted, or one sided, no? of all the producers I have been in contact with could care less about drama Robert..I never spoke bad about you to any of them…sadly, that’s all you do. “we warned them about those guys” I forget the lie you tried to pull with the The Learning channel but you tried to toss us under the bus..didn’t work though…I take the higher road Robert, what’s on the internet is one thing, but to go after people in the real world is another..you have done this many times…you even threatened Galen with the bar bullshit. you went to the police about Bruce…you DID not threaten Galen with going to the bar in 2014…you first did it last year I believe, and Bruce stepped in..you said the very same thing..”I wasn’t really going to go through with it” even your podcast that was going to be heard around the world..there you were on your forum…”we warned them about that forum” it boils down to you being butthurt for being banned…you still make claims of it not bothering you, but constantly bring it to the table? the last forum you had was full of hatred towards me and my forum..they shut you down…you can’t help yourself…you have to have drama and me bundled up in your comments…all of the embers you had left you due to this behavior…time to check into the reality hotel buddy…no waiting, open 24/7….I won’t hold my breath on the company name…honesty left you years ago…..keep it slanted pal…..
Wading through all your rigamarole, I came to the idea that what’s really bothering you is that you think it’s okay to trash me on your forum publicly, but get seriously in a snoot when that forum is mentioned by Adventure Books. Fine. I took down the December comments that mention your forum. That should make you happy, no? You seem to have an overwhelming number of complaints, that’s for sure.
Sorry….I’m not going to reveal the name of the production company. You can think of that in any way you like. Their checks are good, they treat me right, and I have signed a confidentiality agreement with them. That supersedes any desire for information you might have. In fact, only three people at AB are in the loop. Geoff N and Phoebe haven’t been told either. So don’t feel like you’re being singled out. When the production company wraps their deal with the other studio, I am sure they will make an announcement and set a date for first day production shooting. I’m also sure someone at the Cooper forum will find it and inform you about it. Besides, I would also post it at the AB Forum, once I had the okay to do that from the production company.
Now if you don’t mind, since I gave you what you wanted, is that all? Because I am very busy these days. I have the Cooper thing to deal with. I’m producing a documentary on the homeless here in Seattle this coming spring/summer as well. (We were considering a feature film, but decided due to $170 a day plus heavy insurance to film in the National Forests, it would be better to do the documentary instead.) Besides, the documentary is more socially relevant.
To answer your question on ‘if I’m blocked how are my emails getting through’. Until your last message about a week ago, your ‘clourim’ address was not blocked. After I received it, I sent a couple of replies. You didn’t respond. That has happened several times with you now. So I blocked that address, or at least it was put on the canned response list, I believe. I didn’t want to receive any more of them.
I told you once before…you don’t need to take down anything..you need to stop talking about me or my forum while playing the victim game…now, you offend people by calling them old “bunch of old guys” you are a senior citizen yourself, no? again, you claim they don’t bother you, but continue to talk about them almost daily lol…personal attacks come natural to you…that’s old news..
you keep dodging the real question here…the production company you claim makes all of these comments..sounds like you are lying once again…I’m also use to that..kind of one sided & slanted, no? it’s ok, we know you are cornered…I don’t expect you to answer…it’s all good (smiles)
I also see it’s a bigger audience over evidence with you (laughs) that tells it all right there buddy..I guess if I get a big audience to believe you are the Zodiac killer it makes it true,
I don’t feel ‘cornered’. Are you kidding? I feel VINDICATED. With a capital ‘V’. The production company didn’t just buy the rights to the book. The book is a primer, just an opening act from 2011. They bought the rights to the drawers full of files, pictures, statements, notes, etc on the KC/Geestman investigation. They have copies of virtually everything now. Everything right up to the present day. In case you haven’t noticed, I have not been releasing any new information on KC and Geestman for almost a year now. There’s a reason for that. I no longer have the right to do that, unless I want to have my contract with the film company voided. Now I won’t try to tell you that NOBODY is aware of the details on everything. Yes…a few people outside of Adventure Books know what’s going on. But these are people who can be 100% trusted. The proof of that is obvious. You and yours haven’t been able to find out a thing.
Make up your mind for chrissakes. You make a big deal about being talked about on the AB Forum. So we took everything down for you. EVERYTHING. Now you complain about that as well, saying, “Oh, I didn’t SAY you had to take anything down…” No, you didn’t. You just bitched aplenty about it. So I took it all down. You should be satisfied, not doing more complaining.
Before I go, I do want to clarify the relationship between Bruce, your forum, Andrade, the film company(s), and myself. This is how it is in the real world:
1) The Cooper Forum was heavily researched by the film company for over a year. Yes, they also went to other places on the internet and read the books.
2) They only found me by researching your forum. Not so much these days, but back during the research period they saw my name all over the place there. So they contacted me.
3) I sent them a copy of the 54 page KC report. They looked at it, wanted to see more. So I took a risk and sent them some of the things we had NOT released publicly.
4) They offered the option to make the movie. I looked at their offer, and how they planned to present Kenny and company, and signed the contract.
5) About a month after I signed, they asked me to be the go-between for them, and to try approaching Bruce, Andrade, and you. I warned them this would be hopeless because of your feelings for me personally. They asked me to try anyway. I said, “Why can’t YOU do it?” They said: “We don’t trust some of them to keep quiet. You make the offers for us.” (They also mentioned that anyone who signed with them would find out who they were ANYWAY when they saw the contract. Guess that made sense. They even sent me copies of the contracts.)
6) Andrade told me he had problems previously with a media company and said no. I was okay with that. Sounded like a frank and honest answer to me.
7) I’m not sure what they really wanted me to approach YOU about. I don’t know…maybe research, maybe some of you coming on board as consultants. They never really told me the motivation. I tried emailing you. Can’t even remember what I said, but you rejected everything, whatever it was. Some time later we discussed your forum a couple of times in conference calls. The general consensus was it was better not to release anything publicly about the movie, or even approach you guys about it further. It was going nowhere, and if you had found out details, they would have been all over the Cooper Forum the next day. So we sort of gave up on all of you.
8) Bruce was made the offer you already know about. I won’t mention it publicly. If you want to know why he rejected it, you should ask him. I don’t want to make his answer public on his own forum.
Derek: I can understand why you believe Klansnic might be Cooper, but you’re way off base. The guy was a family man with six kids, a churchgoer, active in his community, and worked for Boeing for 37 years. That means when he retired, he had more money by far in his retirement account than Cooper obtained in the hijacking. By far and away, too. Maybe twice that much at least, plus whatever assets like a home, investments, etc. Why in the heck would a war hero, without a single financial problem (his wife was a tennis pro, too) and a HUGE family like that, decide to hijack a plane for money at age 51?
It doesn’t make any sense. And with a family that big, how in the heck could he have kept such a thing (hijacking) secret for so many years. Nothing in this guy’s life…not a single thing…points to any possible motivation to risk his life for a mere $200,000 and a jump out of the back of a jet at night over the forests of Western Washington.
You are certainly barking up the wrong tree here. He wasn’t even a victim of Boeing layoffs, which might be one motivation. Instead he retires from the company after almost forty years. Six kids. A loving wife. Churchgoer all his life. Does not make sense. He isn’t anywhere near matching any profile for the hijacker. I can understand why his family blew you off. Just accusing him publicly was an insult to the family. A big one. If you were going to investigate him, the BEST way would have been to interview the people he knew, and nail down where he was on Thanksgiving 1971…BEFORE going to family members with any evidence.
Besides, with a family like that, don’t you think he would have been missed over any Thanksgiving? If he were Cooper, it would have come out long ago. You can’t keep a secret like that in families. Not forever. Ask me sometime and I’ll tell you how I know this. 🙂
Robert I have been in contact with Klansnic’s grand nephew who actually was not surprised when I told him his grand uncle could very well be DB Cooper. He had a very interesting story about a conversation he overheard his parents having at a party over cocktails with family and friends where the topic of conversation was his grand uncle Jimmy! He is willing to give me a dna swab, trying to see if I can get the 3 dna samples that were collected of coopers tie to compare.
I wish you all the luck in the world getting the FBI to release their partial DNA profile from the tie to you for comparison. You’ll need it. Seattle FBI agent Fred Gutt told me this in an email first, and then the phone call to my office that followed: ‘The partial sample cannot confirm anyone as Cooper, but it can eliminate them as a suspect.’ Whatever that means. I’m not a DNA expert and don’t claim to be.
Understand our position here. A movie deal is extremely close that will name Kenny Christiansen as Cooper. A lot of people don’t like that. We understand why, and their feelings about it. On the other hand, we weren’t foolish enough to release everything we have on this issue either. We saved that for the proper time, which is paying off for us now.
I’m actually moving on from the DB Cooper case. The movie will speak for itself, and I have other things to do.
http://adventurebooks.freeforums.net/thread/58/adventure-books-first-coming-summer
I don’t care about the movie Robert…as I mentioned it appears you have lied once again..”Andrade told me he had problems previously with a media company and said no. I was okay with that. Sounded like a frank and honest answer to me.” you told me in a email that you couldn’t get a hold of Andrade. you have also publicly stated it’s been my fault they missed out on $30,000 ..I have repeatedly told you it’s not my problem, but you kept playing the “Shutter failed to tell it’s members” bullshit. blaming me for not contacting them…you create problems Robert…If the production company is really that stupid, or has difficulties contacting people, I wouldn’t want anything to do with them either…I would take the same stand as Andrade….to answer the other question about Smith…I also explained on this site yesterday that Bruce told me he finally agreed, but you caused more problems with him so he backed out once again…I’ll take a shot in the dark here…it sounds like you are dealing with a small company that is looking for a larger company to help them..then they have to sell the idea…a large production company would not go through all of the bullshit to get a hold of people..you are light years away from actual production.
They told you not to say anything publicly, and yet here we are talking about shit YOU were not suppose to talk about publicly? then claim we can’t keep our mouths shut? it sounds like you shouldn’t have told anyone anything about the movie yet?
you keep blaming me for bullshit..when you are truly blocked from emails…you don’t get them, at least that’s how it goes with AT&T…I don’t have a “blocked email inbox” they don’t get through…
I never told anyone not to work with you, I never told anyone they should, or should not work with you..it appears that’s been your job to try and tell the public where I stand with this? I have stated publicly multiple times that it’s not my fault they couldn’t get a hold of Bruce, or Andrade, or anyone else for that matter. they sound like a bunch of fumbling fools if you ask me. they have the right to say what ever they wish about me, or my forum, but to state they can’t get a hold of people is horseshit…that goes for you too..
nobody is bothering you Robert, and yet you continue to spread rumors and lies. it’s not my job to tell members of my forum about your actions, or what they should or should not do with you! stop claiming it is, and stop claiming it’s my fault they missed out on $15 grand. which appears to have changed to “up to $15 grand”
production companies come and go all the time..we have them on our forum a lot..some are members. we have radio personalities. I even have guys from Homeland security that view the forum while at work. guess what, they all contacted me with no problem..they also had no problem getting a hold of others? that goes for Gray as well. tell your production company to look into a research team like the big boys have..stop saying it was $15 grand for reading a few lines as well…that’s bullshit…they haven’t a clue what or who to trust Robert. all the trust bullshit stinks of you more than anyone else..that’s your constant motive..Bruce flat out told me you can’t be trusted..you fail to understand your position Robert. it’s you that nobody can trust. that’s why you are alone..if the production company sides with you, then so be it…no worries..the Learning channel didn’t like you, but nothing came of it, did it..life goes on dude..
In closing…take my advise and move on…I don’t want anything to do with you or any type of project involving you..make a billion dollars, get on talk shows. become a reality star, I don’t care. If members of my forum fail to work with you, that’s not my fault either. what are you, 65 plus years old. start acting like it Robert.
Would you two kids please stop bickering and grow up. I’m talking to Mr. Blevins and Mr. Shutter. Both of you have strong personalities. But using Mr. Smith’s online newspaper as a forum to meet for a brawl is not fair to Mr. Smith. Get a room!!!
Thank you, Marla. I’ve been out of town for a couple of weeks, and I see that in my absence the Family Feud has escalated. This tit-for-tat is mind-numbing and not very productive in terms of advancing the investigation of the DB Cooper skyjacking.
However, I don’t want to be the Mind Police, and supervise stupidity, narcissism, emotional and intellectual defensiveness or the other dynamics that are driving this verbal brawl. However, I will continue to police libelous and slanderous comments, along with provocative and cruel statements that are harmful.
Let me add some information since my name has been mentioned in the mud slinging. Yes, Robert Blevins offered me a movie deal on behalf of un-named film producers that would have paid me $15,000 to read their movie script. Initially I refused Blevins’ offer. A few months ago I told Blevins that I would consider the producers’ deal, and instructed him to contact the producers on my behalf. He refused. He claimed that he had to have reason to “trust” me before he would present my name and availability to the producers. I argued with Blevins that his trust of me – and my lack of trust of him – has nothing to do with the producers making a decision on whether they wanted to work with me. Blevins continued to wave the proposal in my face, but despite repeated re-statements of my position of being available to work with the producers, Blevins always returned to his perspective that he could not contact these producers unless he had reason to trust me.
Simply, I do not trust Robert M. Blevins, and he apparently does not trust me – but he certainly wants me to participate in his life since he continues to offer the movie deal, along with offers to go camping, view the Eclipse, give joint Cooper presentations,, and other social outings.
I have refused all offers from RMB, and currently delete all of his emails as they come across my desk.
Well, I hardly know where to start. Lets not shove me into the grave just yet. I’m not 65 years old, no. That really doesn’t matter. What matters is that many of your statements are similiar to the ones you have made at your websie, or in the emails you’ve sent that sometimes resemble your comments, i.e. misguided, mostly uninformed, or just plain wrong. This is what happens when you try to speculate based on half-ass information.
I never said the production company couldn’t get hold of you or anyone else at your forum. I said they chose not to because they thought none of you could be trusted to keep your mouths shut. That’s why they asked me to be the go between.
I never said I couldn’t discuss the upcoming film. I said I wasn’t allowed to say the name of the production company(s) involved until they made an announcement first.
You obviously didn’t ask Andrade why he chose not to review part of the final script for the payment that was offered to him, because that’s the answer he gave. The inability to contact him was only temporary. I eventually found him.
I won’t go into the thing with Bruce. Let’s just say that if you are offered a job working with a screenwriter and an author of a book on the actual screenplay, you can’t say ‘yes’ and then also say you won’t work with the author. Doesn’t make sense, and yes, the offers were legit. As far as that part of the movie, i.e. working on the script, I have some say in that. It was in my contract. So in order to get to know Bruce better before going along with the producers’ idea he be allowed to review twenty pages of so of the script for accuracy, I wanted to meet with him in person. I suggested he could do a joint appearance with me, or at least attend, the slideshow I did at the Auburn Library in November. We hadn’t seen each other in five years, after all. And I had only met him the one time at the 2012 Ariel. He refused that as well. Eventually, I (we) gave up on him. That’s his choice. The only thing I really told him about all that was that at some point he would probably regret that choice. But it was still his choice.
I don’t care about being a ‘reality star’ as you call it. The truth is the only thing that matters in solving the Cooper case. And yes, we have solved it whether you like it or not. About the only detail we don’t know right now is how the money ended up at Tina Bar, but I think we will take a guess at that in the movie and after it comes out, so will the truth on that.
My main motivation for doing all this is simple. I know one thing will happen for sure. If we’re wrong about Kenny and Bernie, that will come out. If we’re right…same thing.
Blevins…you aren’t even a clever liar. I’ve seen many trolls like you flood a serious discussion with pure nonsense. The pattern that I’ve noticed is that this short list of serious subjects and the discussion of them has been flooded with pure nonsense like yours for several years now and has really ramped up starting in about 2012, these subjects are: The Black Dahlia case, the 60’s Zodiac killer cases, the D”B” Cooper case, and the Ramsey case. My research tells me that these cases are linked…and not just by handwriting, but by many very specific “signature” details. That Kenneth Christiansen thing that you attach to the Hospitality letter…that same exact fanciful and artistic letter style is found on the Suzanne Degnan phony ransom note. Phony because she was murdered and her body pieces were found in the storm sewers, right after she was kidnapped! It wouldn’t surprise me that you would get a movie deal, especially considering the Sept 2016 Case of JonBenet Ramsey string of lies aired by CBS and produced by team Clemente and Critical Content, earning them some massive lawsuits, which will probably get them a very good spanking indeed! If I had it my way, they’d all face RICO charges! “Opinion” is the word that they violate. Valid opinions are based on truth, not lies! To hell with you liars!
Personally, I don’t know what all the foo-for-rah is even about here. Shutter was complaining about his site being discussed here, or maybe at the Adventure Books forum. So…I took the trouble to go back and remove all posts from that forum that even remotely refer to his place. On the other hand, he has an entire page created with my name on it. So I would call my actions generous, considering.
I agree this is not the place for arguments, especially when Bruce is probably still in New York and unable to say something about it. When he returns, I’m sure he won’t be happy. Shutter and I will never agree on certain things, so I don’t see the point of going on.
And let’s not try shoving me into my grave just yet, folks. No, I’m not sixty five years old. But I will tell you that if you suggested we climb Mt Rainier this spring, that a lot of folks wouldn’t be able to keep up with me, and others probably could. My favorite trick is taking a vacuum cleaner and balancing it upside down by the handle on two fingers. Nah…not quite ready for the cane and wheelchair crowd just yet.
I have better things to do than sit around a keyboard and argue Cooper stuff. I have a two-hour documentary on the homeless to produce, and filming on that starts in about eight and a half weeks. I still take the time to answer the 12-15 emails I receive a week on the Cooper case, most of which are the same questions I’ve answered dozens of times before. I don’t mind. Most people that contact me are very nice folks.
Editor’s Note: I do not wish to be drawn into the Blevins-Shutter brawl. Any comments that involve me will be deleted, as will any further attempts to discredit me and my decision not to work with Mr. Blevins.
To get back to the DB Cooper letter, and Tom Colbert’s claims in general, I have a pretty simple opinion on both those subjects. First, I don’t believe ANY of the letters received by either media or anyone else were actually FROM the real Dan Cooper. And Colbert’s attempts to shove Robert Rackstraw into the proper seat on Flight 305 just don’t work. I think Rackstraw’s responses fit those typically seen in an innocent person. They shout like heck that they aren’t guilty, or just refuse to feed into your claims. Rackstraw has ‘mostly’ done that, although he sure isn’t squeaky clean in his life, that’s for sure. Blue eyes? 29 years old? I don’t think he’s Cooper.
5foot, 8inches? Gay? Employed by your victim? I don’t think so, Robert.
‘5foot, 8inches? Gay? Employed by your victim? I don’t think so, Robert.’
I didn’t think so at first, either. Let me say this and leave it alone: It’s really tough to keep secrets in families, especially when a family member goes on national TV and starts telling lies. The family starts comparing notes, asking questions. As far as your other comments, gay has nothing to do with it, (even the US Army paratroop company didn’t know) and inside jobs are pretty common. Wait for the movie, see the evidence, decide for yourself. That’s what I tell people when they ask. One thing’s for sure, the picture will certainly force the truth on this subject to the surface. At least that’s coming into being, thanks to some supportive folk. Their final option payment is financing my documentary on the homeless in the Seattle area, something I care a heck of a lot more about than the Cooper case. As I say to folks sometimes, if you have questions, I’m not hard to find.
Mr. Blevins, seriously, who would hijack their own airline? That;s like robbing your own parents at gunpoint and thinking they wouldn’t recognize or remember you.
Adding to the insanity, Tina Mucklow told a reporter in 2012 that she flew NWO routes to the Orient almost exclusively in the late 1970s before she retired in 1981. Guess where Kenny flew – yup, the Orient routes.
Bruce says: ‘…and currently delete all of his emails as they come across my desk.’
Well, okay. I’m glad you told me that. I won’t bother you any further then. No use in trying to update someone, or give them the latest scoop when they don’t even open the message. I will give it to you for being fair and letting me know.
‘Adding to the insanity, Tina Mucklow told a reporter in 2012 that she flew NWO routes to the Orient almost exclusively in the late 1970s before she retired in 1981. Guess where Kenny flew – yup, the Orient routes…’
We’ve wondered about that too sometimes. But you go with the evidence you have and see what happens. I think the movie will do much better than the original book at driving the final truth about Christiansen and Geestman from the woodwork. With both families cooperating now, it’s only a matter of time.
My attitude on this whole thing has changed somewhat. I’ve been working on this case for over seven years, and everything we have on all that has been turned over to others. I have some duties to perform regarding all that, but frankly…my attitude on the whole investigation has changed. I’m leaving the rest to the pros and moving on to something that I care about a lot more than DB Cooper, which is the plight of the homeless in King County, WA. Chris Brown and I are making plans to shoot the definitive two-hour special on that issue, and we already have the cooperation of the biggest organization trying to help these people in King County. We’re meeting with them soon before actual production shooting starts. One of my major focus points on this issue is interviews with single moms and their children in the homeless encampments. I told Chris yesterday: “If people seeing this program don’t shed a tear or two along the way, we haven’t done our job.”
It’s time for me personally to move on from the Cooper case. I have closed the AB Forum to anyone except registered members, and after the KC/Cooper picture is released, I will probably delete the site as well. On January 24th, AB of Seattle receives our final option check, which runs a modest four figures, which we are using to produce something else which I care about much more than DB Cooper. The Cooper case was interesting, challenging to say the least, but in the end (except for my share of the film proceeds) more emotional trouble than it was actually worth. I don’t really need the money anyway, to be frank about it. Just another job. Did the best I could. We will see what happens on that.
At some point, you have say ‘enough is enough’ and just let the chips fall where they will, and go on to other, more personally interesting stuff. The homeless program is Numero Uno for me regarding ‘more personally interesting stuff’.
Well, Mr. Blevins never let Jerry Warner (alias Georger) post his discoveries and monumental investigative work at the Grapevine or get a publishing deal at Adventure Books. What a shame.
lol. Who would read it?
Correction: Due to the usual requests (mostly by email) I have re-opened the AB Forum, but only on a limited basis. And much material regarding the DB Cooper case has been removed. We are moving on from all that. As far as Georger over at the Cooper Forum, I thought we weren’t supposed to reveal his real name unless he didn’t mind doing that. Last time I heard, he did mind. I got in trouble once for posting up his phone number. 🙂
For those of you who ‘come down’ on me occasionally regarding the DB Cooper case, I want you to know that I do have other interests besides that case. For example, we’re doing a two-hour program for television on homelessness in Seattle. Filming begins in eight weeks. We wouldn’t mind if Bruce decided to come aboard for this one. A two-minute promo is shown below.
God’s work. Hope Bruce jumps onboard.
Cinematographers Chris Brown (Seattle) and John Meyer (Ellensburg) have come on board. Chris and I do the interviews and John and Chris split the filming. I am directing this picture, so if you don’t like the results you know where to go. One thing we’re doing is setting up our own tent in one of the homeless camps for a couple of days. We will help people as much as possible, and get their stories along the way. Works for me. (us)
‘God’s work. Hope Bruce jumps onboard’.
Well, he could if he wanted to, but as he says, he doesn’t even read my messages. So I quit sending them. He would have to make the first move, and that’s doubtful. But that is his choice, and I don’t have a problem with people making choices.
Do you think Georger has an ounce of charity to contribute to your film, Robert?
Editor’s Note: A change has been made to this post to reflect the proper use of the name of a noted DB Cooper researcher.
-BAS
It’s not kosher to mention his real name publicly. He has a username. And the answer is no. It doesn’t matter. I don’t need any charity for this film. The people being filmed are the ones who need it. If we do our job right, then that might be a result.
I bet his mom gave him a name he doesn’t like. A self described orphan. So he picked Georger instead so Blevins couldn’t find him. Psssst……Iowa City.
UPDATE: The AB Forum was closed down today due to another Terms of Service violation. No big deal, though. We only had three members anyway. I decided that things have progressed enough on the upcoming Cooper movie that it was time to get out of the forum biz anyway. I didn’t create another forum this time, and I won’t. I just added a new page to the AB site and did some homepage updates. There is SOME news on the movie front for Cooper fans. Did a conference call with the producers today. They said they are only a few days away from partnering with a larger studio to do the picture, and they agreed to extend the option for another year. I can actually stop keeping secrets and make an official announcement by the end of January, I’m told. About time, too. I think people were justifiably angry at me for saying a movie was coming on Christiansen, and then not telling them much about it due to confidentiality agreement issues. Truth is, I probably should have kept everything under wraps until now, but what’s done is done. All further comments and updates about all this can be found at our main website. There will NOT be a third forum created. Too much trouble anyway and I am way too busy.
‘I bet his mom gave him a name he doesn’t like. A self described orphan. So he picked Georger instead so Blevins couldn’t find him. Psssst……Iowa City.’
Look…I’ve had my share of problems with Georger, sure. But remember something when you start posting up comments with folks’ info included. Bruce can access all comments made to his news site here and read your IP address. He can then ban your entire IP range if he wishes. Then it won’t matter if you invent another email address to post here. I got in trouble a couple of times for posting up peoples’ stuff. So…I just gave up on creating forums and went back to the traditional website update stuff to provide any information I want released publicly. You might even get your IP banned by WordPress permanently. They’ve been known to do that to spammers, and if you have a WordPress blog, they will delete that as well. If Bruce takes action or gets angry about your comments, I certainly wouldn’t blame him.
We wouldn’t want to offend the offending one, or defend the indefensible.
I understand your frustration, but as I’ve told a few times, Bruce’s website isn’t the place for all this. It’s disrespectful. And yes…I have been guilty sometimes on some posts here. Maybe you should take your complaints over to the Cooper Forum. I already know all about Georger. No big secret. He’s been checking out the Cooper case since well…I don’t really know but it’s a been a while. Meanwhile, I am slowly extricating myself from this whole thing. I just don’t really care that much these days. My own Cooper forum got deleted and I didn’t even care about that. Last time, I did. This time it was like, ‘Meh.’ If you are really INTO the Cooper case and have problems with some of the ‘Cooperland’ or Cooper Vortex stuff that goes along with it, you should just hang at the DB Cooper Forum. That’s my advice, anyway.
Correction: “but as I’ve BEEN told a few times…”
Lol. To further engage in diatribes and insults among about six or seven people? What fun is that? Bruce’s site drew over 40,000 viewers in one day. Cooper forum got one-tenth of that by the six or seven SAME people posting repetitively over a half dozen years.
Well, that’s probably true enough. I know they were angry with me over the AB Forum thread ‘Baloney at the DB Cooper Forum’. So Shutter hired himself a lawyer to join the forum because that thread was private to members only. Lawyer took screenshots and made a complaint, I assume. Forum was shut down the next day. No big deal. Talk about a waste of money LOL. There were NO members actually signed up at the AB Forum except myself as Admin, myself as ‘XoXSciFiGuy,’ and the lawyer. So no one was even seeing those posts. They were just incorrect points being made at the Cooper Forum, mostly about Kenny Christiansen. I would quote them, then I would put up the actual truth on that point. No name calling or any of that stuff.
When the site was closed, I contacted the lawyer (he had to provide an email address to join) and I told him I was sorry…but the site had been closed and I might create another one and let him know. He came back with two messages. One said: ‘I was the one who had your site closed.’ That was followed by ‘I was hired by Dave Shutter to do this.’ After I looked him up on Facebook to verify his identity and see if he was telling the truth about being a lawyer, (he was) I told him no hard feelings and no one was registered at that site anyway except him and me. Then I told him I wasn’t going to create another forum. Seemed useless at this point. Movie is coming, book has been out for years, and Gayla and I are moving to Arizona in less than two years…sooner when I get royalty check when they start production filming. That’s a minimum of $65,000, and can go as high as $115,000 depending on the size of the movie budget. Plus three points on the film anyway, which I would collect for years. So what was the point of going on with the Cooper Forum folks any further?
That same day, I simply added a page to the main AB site, which gets tons of traffic anyway, and put updates there. We’ve had that site since 2006, and then I announcedI would do updates on the two WordPress blogs I run. One is my personal, the other is about Cooper. No use running a discussion forum if nobody shows up anyway, right? The only viewers were mostly DB Cooper Forum members anyway.
It was a crazy situation. Dave wasted his money and I no longer have to bother with a forum that wasn’t getting any members. It was going nowhere anyway. Go figure. 🙂
This case seems to breed envy, anger, despair…….all of the negative attributes. Your homeless film will be a pleasant reprieve. I hope Bruce does a great story on your work. He usually does.
Well, we have an open invitation for him to participate in the actual filmmaking process, but it’s doubtful he will accept that invitation. As far as Bruce’s articles, I have found them all interesting. There was one where I had a problem, but that is no big deal now. Water under the bridge. We start shooting either late March or early April. Maybe earlier, I’m not sure. Still working that out with Chris Brown. Right now we’re comparing gear and working on a storyboard, who we want to interview, stuff like that. Even if Bruce doesn’t want to come in for all that, we would still give him exclusivity to review the finished product via a private premiere of the film. I told Chris we should premiere this movie through a public showing to a small group first, before releasing the final product. You know…in case people have suggestions on changes. Then it gets offered up to certain TV content providers, starting locally. A couple of said they want to see the final result to review it first. Sure, why not.
Oh, we’ve done it now. I dropped this two-part article on folks via Facebook, Twitter, and the Usual Suspects. Waited 18 months. That was long enough. https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/the-real-reason-the-f-b-i-closed-the-d-b-cooper-case/
Interesting read, Robert. Even though you have done lots of work, I’m sticking with LD. The guys at the Forum are threatened, and one in particular hates himself and wishes he were you.
I can understand why you’re sticking with LD Cooper as the hijacker. I kept Troy Bentz’s name out of things for almost a year and a half. When I didn’t hear anything from the FBI telling me lay off about Agent Jarvis, I decided to reveal everything.
Another message from Shutter’s lawyer. He says: ‘Mr. Blevins, this is just the start we will be seizing the abs website domain and sending a cease and desist to your producers advising to stop the production of this movie or face legal recourse…’ ( sent by Nicholas Broughton, who allegedly represents Shutter.)
I told him to stop with the empty email threats and go official. Otherwise put a sock in it. I’m
sooo worried about Shutter’s lawyer and all. (not really) Between Shutter and Nicky B, I think I’m dealing with a couple of maroons, as Bugs Bunny would say. Think about something for a minute.
1) Shutter pays some hack a few bucks to join our forum under false pretenses, just so Shutter can get a look at a closed thread we had going at the AB Forum. No one can see it anyway, since I was the only registered member on the site….
Then Shutter gets him to make a complaint to ProBoards to shut us down. That’s paranoia, folks. That is OBSESSION. It is also phony, and I’ll tell you why.
2) Shutter created an entire page at his website on Kenny Christiansen, a page where he uses an image we have copyrighted, and my name as well. (I was nice enough not to make a DMCA complaint, and just let him use it. Even I didn’t wish to shut his site down for ten days while they investigated the copyright violation.) NOTE: There are only TWO categories of Kenny Christiansen pictures NOT copyrighted by Adventure Books. The first are any that belong to author Geoffrey Gray, either from his book Skyjack, or his article from October 2007 in New York Magazine. He owns those. The second are any KC images appearing prior to October 1, 2007. (There aren’t any) Everything else came from Kenny’s family. We have a release on all of them, signed by Kenny’s brother and his family. If you are using one of those images, it’s because AB allows it to happen.
3) But Shutter throws a hissy fit if we have the nerve to talk back to him publicly. Of course, it wasn’t REALLY public since no one could see my comments anyway. It was more a record of incorrect posts (there are many) that exist at the The DB Cooper Forum regarding Kenny Christiansen. I would make corrections, and eventually, yes, I would have made them public. I got a notice from Proboards saying that it wasn’t the comments that resulted in the shutdown, (comments were harmless). It was the fact that I linked Shutter’s site in the thread. Just NAMING the site where the incorrect comments originated wasn’t a violation. But you can’t install an actual link to the site, if you are going to take quotes from that site under Fair Use. I don’t know why that is, but that is what they said. Okay, now we know not to link to his site.
4) I told someone recently: “The more you try to shut down the gorilla in the room, the more the gorilla just stands there eating another banana from the fruit bowl.” That means the more you try to shut out the truth from people, to try somehow to make it non-accessible, the more people get curious as to why you would do that.
5) Shutter’s actions show that he thinks it’s okay to say whatever he wishes, incorrect or correct, about us…but you’d better not have the nerve to say something back. He will either ban you, or go hire some hack lawyer. The funniest thing was that he hired this guy to check out a site where no one was registered there except ME anyway. And no one could see the comments he was so curious about.
I don’t know…I might establish another forum anyway. Just to get him to pay more money to the hack to join and look around again. You know. Do it for laughs. Or maybe not. Perhaps I’ll do a poll at Facebook and decide based on the results. (*laughs*)
Side Note: On a case by case basis, I will now require a linkback to the main AB of Seattle website if you are going to use a copyrighted image we own. This policy starts on February 1, 2018. I will be checking. Allowing people some time to make minor changes in your use of images we own is fair, I think. This means you should install a credit link on any copyright image, and that link should go to http://www.adventurebooksof…well, you know the rest. Or if you don’t want to do the link credit, you could pay a one-time licensing fee. Inquire for details. Depends on how you use the image, etc. Going the DMCA complaint route is something I don’t want to do, but after the actions of certain folks, I might be justified in doing that. I hesitate because it hurts other people, and these people have nothing to do with all this. But it is still an option.
And yes…I can still access a certain site. The Site That Cannot Be Named. And even if I couldn’t, somehow…Greg the Techie Guy can.
We’re already back in business. No worries for Shutter. One of the Prime Directives on that site will be no discussion about him. 🙂
http://dbcooper.forumotion.com/
Where does all his paranoia come from, Robert? Is it the company he keeps at the Forum?
Thanks for the update, Robert.
I don’t know and it is what it is. I gave factual details on what happened and I’m moving on. I also told Bruce I wouldn’t use his site any more to post up non-Bruce-article stuff. So I will keep that promise.
Shutter’s hack Broughton tried to join our new forum. I deleted his account. We have moved on to other things. https://robertmblevins.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/homeless-in-seattle-the-movie/
Thanks for the update, Robert. Maybe Broughton is actually Georger.
I’ll bet Georger isn’t what we all think he is, Robert. Someone should call bullsh*t on him.
You guys crack me up sometimes. ‘Marla,’ really? You wouldn’t support anything I proposed if it came with a gold-edged invite. There were the cartoons, the Ten Questions for Marla Cooper article, the loss of your publishing deal, which you blamed on me in an email. Get real.
Who ‘Ted’ actually is, I haven’t a clue.
So here’s what yo do if you want me to take you seriously. Contact me on a legit level, as other people do. Or forget it. I don’t go in for baiting by people using false identities. Been there, done that. Which is part of the reason why we got the Cooper movie and you guys didn’t. Because we deal with real people on a REAL level.
True, Robert. Guess that makes Georger (Jerimiah) a fakester?
‘True, Robert. Guess that makes Georger (Jerimiah) a fakester?’
Robert replies: I have no idea. He’s well-educated and reasonably well informed on the Cooper case, I will give him that. Would I have wanted to be in one of his classes? No. Has he played the occasional dirty trick? No comment, but the evidence is there. Long ago and far away, though. I’m starting to move on from DB Cooper to a certain extent. After almost nine years of investigating the case, two chapters in my upcoming autobiography ‘Cooperland’ are dedicated to the whole crazy thing. I pretty much gave up on the forum-creation stuff, although I did another one just to be polite but I haven’t done a thing to it since the initial posts, and probably won’t unless it gets some decent activity. I have a few duties to perform regarding the movie, and then I take my check and move to either Kingman, AZ or Vista, CA. Haven’t decided.
Greg the Techie Guy at AB, after doing some research over at Shutter’s place, tells me the KC image he’s using on his Suspects page (to slam us on basically INACCURATE info) actually came from the New York Magazine Geoff Gray article. So any copyright complaints we had on that have been withdrawn permanently. That was actually a GOOD thing, since I really didn’t want to deal with that.
I have four days off to fix my truck this weekend. Interesting post about all that at Infamous Nissan here: http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=496526&postcount=15816
Already planning shooting locations, meetings, and a basic storyboard for the Homeless in Seattle special. (Not actually the title, too trite) We might be able to sell this one to local TV, we think. Chris Brown is damn good cinematographer and we work well together. Young black filmmaker, old white guy directing. LOL, I told him it was an ebony and ivory kind of deal and he laughed. We’re going to take bottled water and snacks for the kids for the encampment interviews.
Bottom line is, I am just plain tired of Cooper, and am moving on to other things. I have some end-game responsibilities, but then I’M OUT.
Robert, no one seems to know much about Georger’s education as he has not been transparent with anyone and he refuses to use his real name in his postings. That’s been going on for well over 10 years. Maybe he just some shmoe who lives in an apartment on some back street in Iowa City, drives an old beat up van, qualified for Social Security about a dozen years ago, is a regular user of Medicare and Medicaid and doesn’t want anyone to know much about him because he’s getting old. Maybe he is a long ago retired teacher at some obscure community college who’s only game remaining is to mouth off and sound smart. Isn’t Georger the guy who accused you of conducting your business in some old apartment and driving an old beat up car? Double standards and hypocracy usually go hand in hand with jealous guys like Georger. Anyway, Robert, best to you in your upcoming film enterprise.
I always suspected this about Georger. The first to denounce and berate the work of others is usually the one who has no original effort of their own in the game. They are too busy besmerching the character of the ones they disdain.
Bruce, I’m gonna introduce myself with a little riddle, a riddle that I believe will eventually lead to some truly shocking revelations. BTW, I really like your videos and audios and I’ll get you recent book ASAP. In my hot little hand I have and own a Tektronix Type 549 storage oscilloscope instruction manual. This is a 1966 publication. On the section 10 page is the wiring diagram for the horizontal amplifier, with a cartoon figurine of a midget racer. That hint links to another infamous and notorious crime, which I’ll tell you about later on. For the moment, use Google earth and type in these coordinates, and note the names of the nearest roads at the intersection. The second set of coordinates lands right on one of these same roads. Type in: 42.015182 -86.192203 and 42.015182 -86.165516. These were easily decoded from the primary documents in that case. By these road names, you’ll probably know which case I’m referring to. A similar figurine was discovered by me a few years ago and shelved. Hint: this figurine is on the second line of the second page of the document, hidden under (or over?) another implied word, the implied word acts to cross out this figurine, or visa-versa. yoblooz@yahoo.com is my email.
I am not one to refuse to give credit where it’s due. Georger is a retired educator, and his history on all that is well-known, and easily researched. We’ve had our differences, but he was certainly a teacher for many years at a certain university. If I call someone on the carpet about this point or that, this does not mean I ignore their legitimate history and call it a lie. Well…because that would be a LIE. This is why MY link in this message (says like my name and stuff and goes somewhere) leads to something real, and yours doesn’t.
Bruce A. Smith was for me the first person that I encountered to report the fact that the Cooper clip-on tie had a bunch of very specialized particles on it, and he reported a strong possible linkage to Tektronix inc. This sparked a memory in me that early Tektronix wiring diagrams had cartoon figurines of a midget racer on them. This greatly helped me put some pieces of a big puzzle together. It could very well help break things wide open. I also respect the fact that there might very well be some honest FBI agents involved in putting the truth out there for others to see, agents that aren’t grand-standers, but truly honest law enforcement officers. This village of Cooper sleuths are on the right track. I’m being a little cryptic here because I want the gravity of what I’m reporting to sink in to others. Bruce strikes as being a very smart, honest and objective reporter. I want Bruce to catch on to what I’m getting at here…..and unless I’m fighting yet another “man in the middle” computer hijacking operation, he’ll very very likely catch on right away.
Welcome to this thread, Terry.
Well stated,Robert. Which certain university did Georger instruct at?
‘Well stated,Robert. Which certain university did Georger instruct at?’
Join The DB Cooper Forum and ask him yourself in a private message. Although that information IS available publicly, It is not my place to say, but HIS.
As far as replies to a WordPress column, the owner has access to the IP addresses of anyone who posts a comment. You can use a phony email address, or use a fake username, but you can’t escape the IP tracking. And if you have someone’s IP address, and you know what you’re doing, you can also trace that IP to other posts on the internet. Just saying…
I have a basic problem with the tie evidence. First, there is no chain of evidence on it. This means several things, including but not limited to…you don’t know where the hijacker acquired the tie originally. He could have borrowed it, or picked it up at a Goodwill or a Salvation Army. Second, you don’t know how many people have handled the tie, including FBI agents along the way for the last forty-five plus years. Because of this situation, even if you could magically bring someone up on charges, or accuse them of the hijacking solely based on tie evidence, that evidence could easily be tossed out of court by even a second-year law student.
I get a fair number of emails about the tie. I point people to Cooper’s actions during the hijacking. He was careful to retrieve the notes, even the matchbook Tina Mucklow handed him to light a cigarette. Yet he just casually discarded the tie over a seat before he jumped. He even got rid of the phony training chute and the briefcase before jumping. (They have not been found.) This might make you think Cooper knew somehow that the tie could not be traced to him. And so far it hasn’t.
Back in 2012, FBI agent Fred Gutt responded to a question I asked about the tie. I asked him the nature of the DNA tests done by the Bureau, and what they meant in relation to catching the hijacker. He said this: “The partial profiles cannot positively identify someone, even if we had their DNA, but it can eliminate them.”
Personally, I think the FBI is fully aware of the identity of Cooper, but that’s a whole other story. 🙂
I do believe that too. They know. As for Georger and his university training, what difference does it make. He sounds angry and probably has no real friends….not even the posters at the Forum.
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Thanks Marla. I do wanna explore the business of the clip-on tie, but let me first reveal where I’m coming from. First of all, the book Mindhunter was a great aid to me in understanding part of what I’ve been seeing. I’ve been a JonBenet Ramsey case researcher since 2011. Just prior to this I did a crash course on the California Zodiac killer cases and documents. On the second line of the second page of the Ramsey ransom note is the crossed out and implied word “delivery”. When I removed the word “delivery” using the Windows paint eraser function, it left me with the image of a old time boat tailed speedster, or as it turns out, more probably a midget racer. Puzzled, I shelved this discovery. Those coordinates that I posted here were very easily obtained from the cryptic sign-off “Victory! S.B.t.C, no period after the letter C. (I’ll explain my use of the lower case letter t later) I’ve discovered a great many things about that so-called ransom note, but let me finish addressing the coordinates with this message from my files:
Go look…and zoom out and read the road names: Three key breakthroughs on the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note came on: 1) on 09-20-16, with the letter d’s. 2) on 11-20-16, the same for the letter p’s. 3) And on 02-20-17, when I easily decoded the “Victory ! S.B.t.C” sign off… and it points to a very definitive set of coordinates in the state of Michigan. All of the letter d’s are shaped like nooses, with the one in the word “dog,” which depicts the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, T-handle and all. Prior to this I was puzzled by the way the letter p’s were shaped and I had grouped them in a column in order to study them. Well, in fact, they were drawn to resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. Upon studying the last letter p, I came to realize that it strongly hints at both Detroit and Lake Michigan and points to “Victory! S.B.t.C”. The letter V hints to double as a backwards stemmed letter N and the letter i hints and doubles as a colon. Using a very simple alphabet to number table, the cryptic sign off easily and obviously decodes to: N:42.015182 -86.192203. This decoding involves the realization that the letter c in Victory also hints and doubles as a letter J laying on it’s back. The letter J is the 10th letter of the alphabet, it’s first significant digit is used to raise the value of the c, which equals 3, to a value of 4. From there, the rest of the solve is straightforward. The nearest intersection to this solve is Garret Rd (a garrote hint) and Burke St, the victim’s brother. The “paper” over “between” hint results in the letters “peep”, which easily renders 165516, which, in turn offers up -86.165516, which in turn puts you on the northbound lane of Burke St. The state of Michigan has a longitude range of between -83 to -86, -86 is nearest Lake Michigan. In the world of coded messages, this is a very simple and rather rudimentary encryption. By strict definition, this evidence is truly “empirical”. Go Look! Zoom out a little. I used Google maps for this. Because of our lock-step controlled fake news media, this information is still being suppressed. Law enforcement was duly notified, as was Ramsey atty L Lin Wood. As a result of this decode, I was able to easily decode a coordinates message in the infamous Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher.* This same message reinforces the evidence that the Zodiac killer persona possessed inside information linking him to the so-called DB Cooper hijacking. The FBI under James Comey, suspiciously shut down the DB Cooper investigation. BTW, the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, is depicted at least twice on the RN, study the letter d in the word “and” which is directly under the obviously intentionally misspelled word “posession(sic).” That document carries and contains several messages, including and especially the message: “The [Zodiac] not Speaking” I did NOT solve the 340 cipher, but rather I discovered a simple encryption pointed to by the p’s and 9’s, each of which have very vertical stems, as do the stems of the p’s on the Ramsey RN. I take offense to those that violate the true meaning of the term “solved”. My solve of “Victory! S.B.t.C, came via valuable input from at least two other persons, and humble tenacity on my part.
The above message was formulated several months ago. *The key symbols on the 340 cipher are probably backwards facing p’s, rather than the number 9. The decoded coordinates land near Pelican Butte Oregon. I was tipped to look at the DB Cooper case and became a reluctant student. When I encountered the Playboy cutouts video on YouTube posted by dbcooperdecoded, I started a thread titled: ‘The DB Cooper caper and Zodiac Jack linked?….Absolutely says the sum of the evidence!’ To me the chain of custody of the clip-on tie is really of secondary importance. It’s the fact that there’s such an uncanny and specialized list of particles on that tie that gave me clues as to why there’s an image of a midget racer on the Ramsey RN, via the Tektronix hint. I use the description Zodiac “Jack” because the noun ‘jack’ is repeatedly involved in several of the cases we find to be linked. As it turns out, the Tim Holt comic books with it’s “Wheel of Death,” image, provides some pretty darn good hints. Note that the Playboy cover model is underwater, upside down and with her eye’s open! Playboy bunny, down the rabbit hole, followed by a ‘jack’ rabbit? Hmmm? I wanna discuss what Cooper would have needed for a ground target, otherwise he’d have been jumping dang near blind! Pretty sloppy for Cooper to mistakenly leave the tie evidence behind in an otherwise meticulously executed skyjacking?
robertmblevins stated: “He even got rid of the phony training chute and the briefcase before jumping. (They have not been found.)” “before jumping”?….how can this be known? It simply can’t.
BTW, my three lonesome threads are found at nanettebforumchichat.com. Check out NanetteB777 on YouTube and look for her power point presentations as well. It’s always stated and asked: Who Killed JonBenet? or Who was DB Cooper?, or Why would he do it? Let’s first honestly solidify as much as we can know with any degree’s of certainty. Then maybe we can look in the right directions? My “take” as to the primary motive in the Ramsey case, I believe has to do with the hints “bussiness(sic) posession(sic) etc,etc. I think that John Mark Karr’s soundbite statements were one lie and one truthful statement: “Her death was accident” is the lie. “Things are not what they seem” is the truthful statement. IMHO, he was carefully “scripted”. Carefully study the Tracey/Karr emails and note the evidence of a second author in the Karr camp.
Love it. Great read.
Trainer chute and briefcase not on board when plane landed in Reno. Since no one went aft, and these items were not found in the FBI search of the plane, the only possible answer is that Cooper tossed them out the back, and most likely before he actually jumped. And I still believe the tie was deliberately left behind, as if Cooper knew somehow it couldn’t be traced to him. As if he borrowed it, perhaps. Or picked it up at a Goodwill store.
He sure was careful about retrieving everything else, and not leaving the briefcase, paper bag, etc behind. Same with the notes and matchbook. Why would he, at the last moment, just leave the tie behind? That would be against everything he had done regarding evidence retrieval or disposing of evidence up to that point.
I still believe, as Mark M (‘377’) does, that Cooper backed down the stairs when he left the aircraft, due to the airstairs door only being able to drop 24-36 inches in flight. If you try to go down forward with that load he had, if the stairs take a sudden drop, so do you. He almost certainly backed down, and as he did, the stairs dropped with his weight. I also believe he pulled the ripcord while standing on the bottom stair, and just waited for it to ‘squid’ open, which would pull him safely off the stairs without too much excessive shock. Again…why would someone using only a single parachute be crazy enough to just leap from the stairs? If it doesn’t open, you still have options. You can go get the other chute, for example, the one resting now in the WA ST History Museum.
These points will be a part of the upcoming movie on Cooper.
Can’t wait to see the movie.
Same here. But after I do my duty for God and Cooperland with this movie, (assisting the main screenwriter) I am OUT of the DB Cooper biz, and PERMANENTLY. That is no kidding. Company I signed with is closing a partnership deal with a second studio to assist in the production, and they are picking up the option for a second year since they couldn’t reach production shooting by January 24th. I’m using the money to produce my own made-for-TV production on the homeless in the Seattle area. I have to admit something, too.
Even after getting the movie and all that, (I don’t really need the money. I am of average means, but my family isn’t) if I had known all that would happen by entering the Cooper Vortex, I would have kept my mouth shut. On what? LOL…I wouldn’t have approached Skipp Porteous. I guess I did it because I was curious about our suspect, who lived in the same town where I grew up. He was living there while I was in high school. I did not know him, though.
All understandable, Robert. All understandable.
Terry Battcher says in part: ‘Blevins…you aren’t even a clever liar. I’ve seen many trolls like you flood a serious discussion with pure nonsense…’ (Goes on to say I associated Christiansen with one of the letters that went to the media)
That wasn’t me. That was a guy who goes by the username ‘Grey Cop’ at YouTube. I met him at the last Ariel Store party that was ever held. He had a cute DB Cooper display he brought in a big wooden box with a glass front. Manikin of the hijacker with his gear. Kind of funny, it was a big draw from the crowd. HE thinks KC wrote the letter. Personally, I don’t think Cooper wrote ANY of the letters. Grey Cop made some pretty good points in his video, but I’m not going there and certainly not agreeing with them.
Look…everything we have out there on KC is an open book, except for anything I was told to stay quiet about after January 24, 2017. That means 90% of our evidence is publicly available. You can download the FBI report we did, unedited and all, names and addresses of the witnesses, nothing is held back. It’s all at Adventure Books of Seattle homepage, and our DB Cooper Info Page. More than 15,000 downloads of the PDF report have been made since August 2015.
No one as smart as the Cooper UNSUB apparently was, is gonna open his chute on the stairs. He’d have been killed instantly. Furthermore, the planes following that jet would have seen this happen. Read the DB Cooper FOIA files. The evidence shows that the Cooper UNSUB had a specific ground target near LeCenter Washington. Le Center is the first area that the jet came upon that has several large and conjoined plowed fields. Do some proper research, then post. The FBI posted a false composite of the UNSUB, that’s what the files clearly show to anyone that has a reasonable attention span.
Terry says in part:
“No one as smart as the Cooper UNSUB apparently was, is gonna open his chute on the stairs. He’d have been killed instantly. Furthermore, the planes following that jet would have seen this happen..”
Not true. Chute experts, such as Mark (aka ‘377’ at the DB Cooper Forum”) allege that opening the chute on the stairs was the safest way to go. And Mark explains why. This is a guy who HAS jumped out of a 727 by the way. And does demo jumps for thousands of spectators occasionally. Mark said if Cooper pulled the ripcord at the end of the stairs, the chute would have ‘squidded’ out, then inflated, and that ‘pitbull of parachutes’ (his nickname for the C-9 canopy) would then inflate and just pull Cooper off the stairs with not a great deal of opening shock.
Besides, who would be crazy enough to do a freefall with a SINGLE chute, one provided to them by the FBI?
As far as the jets following Cooper out of McChord AFB, they could barely see the lights of the 727 and had to keep doing huge S-turns so as not to overtake the 727. Their jets were not designed to fly as slowly as the 727 was going that night. And even if they HAD seen a chute, it would not have told them any more about Cooper’s jump point than the oscillations felt on the flight deck.
AB staff has noticed that Shutter’s ‘Suspects’ page at his DB Cooper Forum website only focuses on Kenny Christiansen, and that he keeps editing it with more and more comments that begin to approach slander. Misinformation and personal comments about me abound there. Greg the Techie Guy copied over the whole page for future reference, as well as volunteering his time to research the entire site and gather what I asked.
I warned Shutter in a recent email (he probably won’t read it, but it is evidence nonetheless) that his comments, as well as site content obviously aimed at us, are on the back burner for now, but we would eventually get around to a complaint with his server. Greg is much better at this stuff, so I turned over responsibility to him. I told him to include the screenshots of posts that also use my name, or ‘RMB’ or ‘Blevs’ that are in the same mode. Those are great in number, and many were made by a guy Shutter once appointed as a moderator at his site. Shutter is, of course, responsible for content posted to that site.
Basically, we’ve had enough of him. But we have other, more important things going. But we will get around to it sooner or later. 🙂
you two are back at it and being coaxed by Georger, I presume.
So, here I’ll present a plausible scenario regarding the Cooper caper and the bomb: Apparently Cooper took several steps to control the evidence, like having the stewardess write his messages. Who’s to say that the dynamite wasn’t simply hollow lightweight paper tubes, the same goes for the battery(s)? And the wires were maybe string? So, when Cooper steps into the restroom, he burns up the evidence and flushes it down the toilet. Now there’s no evidence of a bomb ever having been on that plane!
Then there’s room for the cash in the attache’. No bomb evidence on the ground, as well.
No need to declare that Cooper threw any items overboard, which can’t be proven either way. Why does Blevins have to come here and flood the comments with his off-topic nonsense?
Terry, how do you connect the dots between Cooper and the Zodiac? You are not the first (not even close) to make this assertion.
Johnnie Greenie, the documents that Bruce Smith refers to as the core four can have at least another three added to them. These were in the FBI’s Zodiac files, the first one is labeled QC40. It’s a newspaper horoscope with a cutouts message string over it and was apparently postmarked 12-10-69. The message on it has a “not” statement modifier over the word “WANT”, in the form on an over-line, which converts that word to ‘not want.’ So this particular message states: “ACTION GUIDE..NOT WANT ZODIAC…BIR id is FLY SOUTH…HIDDEN…WATCH…[upside down is: FLT 555, with the last two 5’s being smaller that the first one] MAGIC AMULET”. Johnnie, you are correct, I was certainly not the first to make the connection, Nanette Barto turned me on to it. I, in turn, linked a video on YouTube to her which was posted by dbcooperdecoded, where this same fellow was indicating the fact that every single letter on the “System that Beats the System” letter refers to certain pages in one or the other of the two Playboy publications, these pages tell a story. My focus is the Ramsey murder and especially the so-called ransom note. I very recently discovered that it, in fact, it has several “not” statement modifiers or converters. These same “not” modifiers prove out in terms of truth when coupled with what actually happened after the body was discovered and the severe damage to the girl’s remains were realized. On 02-20-17 I easily decoded the cryptic sign-off “Victory! S.B.t.C. Using this same very simple method, I applied it to the Zodiac killer’s infamous 340 cipher and got a set of coordinates that land near Pelican Butte Oregon. I still have some work and research to do to attempt to fully quantify this particular location. When I saw the video where Bruce was reporting the strong probability of a linkage to Tektronix, via the particles found on the clip-on tie, I suddenly recalled the midget racer figurine drawings that were on some of their wiring diagrams. Several months prior to this I had discovered a similar figurine over/under the crossed out and implied word “delivery” on the Ramsey RN. A Beaverton Oregon hint comes out of the Tektronix hint. The little Ramsey girl had beaver hairs on her hands which were never sourced. Exactly 20 year prior, OCCK victim little Jill Robinson’s remains were discovered on Big Beaver Road. Our suspect linked all of his hints in groups of three or more. Our suspect’s initials are found integrated into many crimes, as well as his mother’s middle name, which was Flova, whom he is said to have hated. Adjacent letter Flova hints are in all four quadrants of the 340 cipher. The word “FolLaW(sic)” is found on the Ramsey RN. The ReNo NeV core four document has several signature items on it and the envelope it came in. These and several other signature items span murders and crimes from as early as 1946 to 1996 and probably up to 2006, when our prime suspect died. It’s all a lot to report and it’s a work in progress. Right about the time that I think that I’ve got information enough to publish, I then discover even more evidence and information. That Ramsey RN carries several lightly encrypted messages, including and especially: “[It] exhausting…daughter watching…Speaking daughter being…money killing family think killing”, which was indicated by the primary versions of the JT hints. In fact, the Ramsey RN has a rather ridiculous number of JT hints on it. Had I not read Mindhunter, I wouldn’t have known what to look for. I fell into the study of the Zodiac killer cases about a year before I got sucked into the study of the Ramsey case. In late 2014 I became a reluctant student of the Cooper case. Electronic troubleshooting and engineering is my training and forte and has been for over 40 years. At Dunwoody Institute here in Mpls is where I first saw the midget racer figurine, in about 1972-73. I graduated in 1973 from their communications electronics course. I’ve survived in that trade by applying scientific methodology, which I also apply to the study of these cases.
Uh, okay.
How about this: JonBenet Ramsey was probably killed by her own mother, by accident, in a fit of rage, after Dear Old Mom lost her temper due to JonBenet’s bedwetting.
Have you even HEARD of Occam’s Razor? My God, excuse me, but where do you get this stuff? The last time I heard someone talking as you do now, I was working in a group home as a case manager. I won’t say what type of folks were there, out of courtesy. I’m going to go out on a limb here though and say you’ve seen certain professionals working in a certain field of human behavior at least a few times in your life.
You are rambling. You are making no sense at all.
Terry Battcher says in part: ‘No need to declare that Cooper threw any items overboard, which can’t be proven either way. Why does Blevins have to come here and flood the comments with his off-topic nonsense?’
I will go along with the second part of your comment. Maybe you’re right, but sometimes people need to know the truth.
Now..on the Cooper items. Flushing wouldn’t work. The airline maintenance staff have to pump out the toilets. The stuff doesn’t actually get flushed out of the plane. Since the FBI knew that Cooper spent a lot of time in the bathroom, it’s safe to assume a couple of agents were checking out the contents of the toilet holding tanks at some point, or at least asking the maintenance staff to do so. And trying to jump with a briefcase? Well, it’s possible, but Cooper already had quite a load going and unless you secured that briefcase really damn good it’s going to fly away pretty easy or maybe you get head bashed by the thing. Still, it IS possible.
Everyone always wonders what was IN the paper bag. There have been many guesses. Perhaps some better shoes. Map, a compass, who knows? One thing I think happened during the hijacking was that Cooper actually had no intention of jumping as far south as he did. When they were on the ground in Seattle, Cooper requested the airstairs be left down for takeoff, which was refused on the grounds of safety. (Stairs dragging down the tarmac could cause an accident.) This told me that Cooper had no intention of remaining on board long, and was jump-delayed for some additional minutes, while flying along at three miles a minute. In reality, I believe he intended to jump somewhere along the flight corridor just north of Olympia, but ended up further south because of the delays opening the stairs and putting on the chute, securing the money bag.
If it’s made of paper, it’s gonna be ashes, once mixed in with the rest of the human waste and paper, it would be damn near impossible to determine what it ever was! Blevins, I would never rely on you or your fuzzy narratives.
Don’t you think someone would have noticed if smoke were coming from the rear of the aircraft? The real question is what were the items in the bag, and what were they used for in the hijacking? I’m not asking you to rely on me, I just give my opinions, which are usually straightforward and without a lot of fluff. Ashes in the toilet waste, obviously burned material, would have raised eyebrows galore.
The Letters from DB Cooper:
My name and work have been cited in above commentaries regarding the letters media and the FBI received from “DB Cooper.” Terry Battcher mentions a “Core Six.” Here is what I know:
1. The “Core Four” are pithy missives that are grouped together because their content and style is similar. I write about these letters extensively in my book because the mysterious Al Di did extensive work with letter #3.
2. The so-called “Letter #5” is a stand-alone piece in my view. This is the letter that Tom Colbert has gone ga-ga over.
3. There are several other letters from DB Cooper, and whatever the 6th one is that Mr. Battcher refers to is not clear to me. In my book I examine a sixth letter that I call the “Elvis Presley” letter because it signs off with “Viva Las Vegas.”
I don’t see any compelling evidence that any of these letters are from the Norjak hijacker. What is most interesting to me is the action of Al Di, since he is most likely an FBI agent.
I have a different perspective on the letters in question. I have no way of knowing whether they’re from the actual Norjak hijacker or not. I’ve never seen the “Elvis Presley” letter, but I wouldn’t dismiss it from part of the group without examining it myself. As a matter of fact, it’s just the sort of a sign off that would be something that I would expect to see. For example, most of the letters that are accepted as being from the so-called Zodiac killer convey several different tones, as if the guy was prone to some very serious mood swings…all of which was IMHO, a put-on. Like the “I knew” letter says he’s not boastful, but he’s doing just that… he’s boasting and taunting. I include this range of behavior because I see that this person was encrypting several parallel statements, one which shows his core feelings (maybe?) and one which is bullshit and bravado…but they come from the same guy, so he’s actually a little of both. The Zodiac killer persona bragged, but also said that he was “too much of a coward.” He used the term “consternation” in one of his missives called the “Concerned Citizen” letter. The main evidence that I see on all of them have JT initial hints and mother or Flova hints. He also “signed” them with misspelled words and restructured letters that were apparently done so in order to ultimately show ownership. The Hospitality ReNo NeV letter and envelope has a huge Flova symbol on it. His “Oregon” hints circle through Zodiac documents and the core four and the Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher with the Pelican Butte Oregon area, with the overt zig-zag trail just to the west of it. This item is one of many pieces of evidence that shows that a had a aerial view of the area’s in question. The Norjak skyjacker apparently also had a “aerial” awareness as well.
Well, what happened to Nanette Barto?
I did examine the Elvis, or Viva Las Vegas letter and I’m not yet convinced that it belongs in the Zodiac killer group, one way or the other. The BD Cooper, not DB Cooper, document most definitely is something that I refer to as being a “Zodiac Jack” 101 document. I’m currently studying all of the similar documents and I’m pretty well convinced that pages 296 through 298 of file 14 are his work. It even has “high jack” written on it, which is exactly how he operated. The Cooper UNSUB was drinking Bourbon on that flight, hence: “high jack”. Get it? You have to be very familiar with all of the Zodiac killer documents to see these things that I’m getting at.
Nanette Barto has linked many more crimes than I have, I focus mainly on the crimes which show the closest hints towards the Ramsey murder. I’m rapidly becoming an expert on Cooper documents. The Tena/Tina bar money find location simply doesn’t jibe, especially given the fact that that location puts the bills about 18 inches above a 1974 dredge layer.
Letter #6, the “Elvis Presley ” letter is posted in full in my book, DB Cooper and the FBI.
There’s another connectivity hint with the Elvis Presley letter that bears mentioning. Los Vegas is obviously in Nevada, as is Reno. For me it prompts me to also point out the gambling hint in the Paradice(slaves) Slaves Zodiac killer document. And, I’ve only very recently come to realize that the Tim Holt Red Mask Death Wheel comic book was most likely the inspiration for the Paradice Slaves document. I need not remind you of the French Canadian Dan Cooper comic book hint? This is exactly how this guy that I like to call “Zodiac Jack” operated. The midget racer hint on the Ramsey RN didn’t originally make sense to me. I was thinking ‘boat tailed speedster”, but it also has the figurine of a guy lifting up the front of the car, which made no sense, unless he was implying a Superman hint? However, a midget race car could be picked up by a single person alone….and that letter A in “Any,” then serves as a “jack” stand!!!!! All of which now makes overall sense to me. It’s once again, exactly what I’ve come to expect and look for in these documents in question. BTW, I’ve also come to realize a very reasonable idea and explanation for his “Magic Amulet hint on the Zodiac killer QC 40 document and it could very well hint at a technical method for acquiring a target on the ground? Cooper could have had a “Magic Amulet” in the “brown paper bag.” The “brown paper bag” hint makes the rounds in the Ramsey case as well! Bruce, it was initially a slow process for me to get “on” to these things….and I don’t try to make these things fit, because they practically fall right into place. Finding the things that I do these days isn’t as much detective work as it is an Easter egg hunt that children do. That’s because I now know what “eggs” to look for that the Easter bunny (hint-hint) laid all over the places I go to look, for Christ’s sake! It’s also in keeping with John Douglas’ “order out of chaos” concept that he provided in the book Mindhunter. I will get your book and very soon.
Uh, okay.
How about this: ‘JonBenet Ramsey was probably killed by her own mother, by accident, in a fit of rage, after Dear Old Mom lost her temper due to JonBenet’s bedwetting…’
That was just an EXAMPLE of Occams’ Razor, and the theory that police pursued in the case for a long time. To be fair about it, that theory was later dismissed. In reality, no one knows who killed her and they probably will never find out. There are less clues in that case than even the Cooper case.
I’ve always thought this to be the case too about JBR’s death.
Any person that truly believes that “her mother did it” has been programmed to believe that via a string of readily provable media lies. Read ‘Law and Disorder’ by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker, it also has the Amanda Knox and the West Memphis Three cases addressed in it. CNN programs people on a daily basis to hate and fear Donald Trump, yet ignore some very serious misdeeds by the Democrats under the Clinton crime network. I agreed to post at Ms Barto’s MB with the proviso that I wouldn’t have to deal with idiots and trolls. If the troll thing keeps occurring here with the likes of Blevins, I’ll be all done posting here. I’m not here to play games. Occam Razor is for the lazy and ignorant, it’s a cop out. It’s like saying “My car doesn’t start, it must have a bad engine?” Get real.
JonBenet’s murder was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident. She suffered a series of two strangulation events, with the second one most definitely ending her life. There was less than a teaspoon of blood in her cranium. She received a massive blow to the back of her head, which drove a approx 20X40mm piece of her bone into her skull and resulted in a gaping crack that went all the way around to above her right eye socket. The parents were railroaded by several corrupt entities. They had no history of abuse. The RN contains several items that show it was a deliberate and well planned out murder.
Here: Go look…and zoom out and read the road names: Three key breakthroughs on the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note came on: 1) on 09-20-16, with the letter d’s. 2) on 11-20-16, the same for the letter p’s. 3) And on 02-20-17, when I easily decoded the “Victory ! S.B.t.C” sign off… and it points to a very definitive set of coordinates in the state of Michigan. All of the letter d’s are shaped like nooses, with the one in the word “dog,” which depicts the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, T-handle and all. Prior to this I was puzzled by the way the letter p’s were shaped and I had grouped them in a column in order to study them. Well, in fact, they were drawn to resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. Upon studying the last letter p, I came to realize that it strongly hints at both Detroit and Lake Michigan and points to “Victory! S.B.t.C”. The letter V hints to double as a backwards stemmed letter N and the letter i hints and doubles as a colon. Using a very simple alphabet to number table, the cryptic sign off easily and obviously decodes to: N:42.015182 -86.192203. This decoding involves the realization that the letter c in Victory also hints and doubles as a letter J laying on it’s back. The letter J is the 10th letter of the alphabet, it’s first significant digit is used to raise the value of the c, which equals 3, to a value of 4. From there, the rest of the solve is straightforward. The nearest intersection to this solve is Garret Rd (a garrote hint) and Burke St, her victim’s brother. The “paper” over “between” hint results in the letters “peep”, which easily renders 165516, which, in turn offers up -86.165516, which in turn puts you on the northbound lane of Burke St. The state of Michigan has a longitude range of between -83 to -86, -86 is nearest Lake Michigan. In the world of coded messages, this is a very simple and rather rudimentary encryption. By strict definition, this evidence is truly “empirical”. Go Look! Zoom out a little. I used Google maps for this. Because of our lock-step controlled fake news media, this information is still being suppressed. Law enforcement was duly notified, as was Ramsey atty L Lin Wood. As a result of this decode, I was able to easily decode a coordinates message in the infamous Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher. This same message reinforces the evidence that the Zodiac killer persona possessed inside information linking him to the so-called DB Cooper hijacking. The FBI under James Comey, suspiciously shut down the DB Cooper investigation. BTW, the device used to throttle JonBenet to death, is depicted at least twice on the RN, study the letter d in the word “and” which is directly under the obviously intentionally misspelled word “posession(sic).” That document carries and contains several messages, including and especially the message: “The [Zodiac] not Speaking” I did NOT solve the 340 cipher, but rather I discovered a simple encryption pointed to by the p’s and 9’s, each of which have very vertical stems, as do the stems of the p’s on the Ramsey RN. I take offense to those that violate the true meaning of the term “solved”. My solve of “Victory! S.B.t.C, came via valuable input from at least two other persons, and humble tenacity on my part.
Very recently discovered and realized is that fact that the implied word “delivery” on the 21st line of the first RN page, shows the letter e wielding the letter l to the back of the letter i figurine’s head. By structure, it states “de live cry”, and is part of the proof of a deliberate murder plan, given the fact that neighbors hears a scream via the air vent shaft in the basement.
I don’t know, Terry. The Mom always acted suspicious. Maybe it was the brother. Blevins has a point, though.
No, neither of you “have a point”. The girl suffered two strangulation events, with the second one ending her life. She was hit in the back and below the occipital lobe midline, not the top of her head, so hard that that it cracked her skull all the way around and over her right eye socket. The autopsy revealed that she had less than a teaspoon of blood in her entire cranium. Her death was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident. Her brother Burke was cleared and in writing by the police and the Boulder DA’s office, based on evidence. Read up on the crime from reliable sources and not the clown cop and former detective Steve Thomas. The coordinates easily extracted from the cryptic sign-off prove several things, but especially it proves that the phony so-called ransom note was composed long before the murder and was carried to the scene. The Ramsey murder is several layers of diabolical lies hoist upon the Ramsey’s and the public at large. It’s being covered up on an ongoing basis. It was an act of organized criminals, criminals that have their dirty fingers deep within the entire US government and several business that the probably hijacked.
What criminal organization has a motive to kill a 5-year old child? A family member commiting the homicide is a much better bet, Terry.
She was 6 years old. Why don’t you go read up on the damn crime instead of harassing me about it? Read “Law and Disorder”, get informed, then ask questions.
OK, 6. She was a bed wetter, a frickin beauty queen at that age (which must have given her a BIG attitude) and she had a sibling, who she presumably had to share things with. Her brother probably resented her from the get go. Don’t blame Blevins and I for seeing things logically.
I blame Blevins and you because you’re full of shit! And your reasoning is NOT logical. Now you’re being a asshole, a disinformation asshole!! And you’re pushing my God damn buttons!
guess you’re going nuclear. Blevins……head for the shelter!
Calm down everyone. Calling commentators “assholes” is right on the edge of getting scrubbed by the Ethics and Editing Police. Please do not go further.
I’m not a big believer in codes to solve crimes, I believe in hard evidence, witness testimony, and things you can get your mind around. Real issues, with real people. For the most part, I’m a practical, hard-working guy who looks at over-the-top speculation, and involved explanations without anything to back them up with a jaundiced eye. I often hold people accountable for their actions, and *most* of the time I try not to be too hard on them about it. But anyone who knows me also realizes I have a short fuse for two things. Baloney, or anything that isn’t fair or just.
As far as the Cooper case, I gave it the best shot I could, and although I got a few things wrong along the way, this doesn’t mean I ignored morals doing it, or got it wrong. I like to think I treated everybody square even when others came after me with a vengeance. Phony posts under false usernames and emails, phony lawyers, an entire page at a website dedicated to spreading disinformation, the usual internet stuff. Been there, done that. After a while, Gayla and I set our landline to Anonymous Call Rejection and started screening the calls. ‘Leave a message…maybe I’ll call,’ as Joe Walsh once said.
On the other hand, I am encouraged by the positive responses I get from people in the real world, who don’t hide behind rocks and don’t snipe at me using phony identities. My involvement in the Cooper case is winding down, and this works for me as well. I make plans and look forward to the day I leave it behind knowing that I did the best I could, and frankly…I had a lot of fun along the way. We gave it our best shot, and even though some people ignore what has been presented to them in the last year, that doesn’t mean everyone does.
I have to move on, and I am already working on that in spades.
Farewell, Robert.
Well, it’s not I plan to leap from the Ballard Bridge or something. 🙂 Or vanish into the wilderness forever. The movie deal is a done thing for 2018, and I don’t think they will want to pay me for a third year’s option without at least starting production shooting. I figure the movie will be my final statement about the hijacking. Here’s one way to look at it, if and when these guys finally get the movie made – It will undoubtedly bring the truth on Kenny Christiansen out of the woodwork. Either we’re right, or I got the whole thing wrong. Who the hell knows for sure? I don’t, although I might put a bet on it. But one Great Truth is certain. The final result will come out on KC and Geestman one way or another. Are they truly guilty, or not? Only Kenny’s hairdresser knows for sure. (That’s a joke.)
*To Bruce Smith:* At some point, before it is too late for me to have any influence, I’m still holding out the same offer you were made back in March. The reason I couldn’t give you the producers’ information is twofold. First, they had no intention of contacting anyone at the Cooper Forum by email or by posting up at the forum. They were afraid at least one of you there would give up the goods on who they are, and just blab everything. They were seriously worried about that. The other reason is because in my contract I have control (at least right now) on who gets to work on the script. Even if you somehow found out who they were, and offered your services, they would have just referred you to me anyway. They are responsible for producing the film. The main screenwriter and I are responsible for the script. I made that part of the contract, to prevent anyone involved in the script process from presenting Kenny inaccurately or unfairly. Remember Bruce…I turned down $25,000 years ago from CBS Films because they admitted they were going to take more than a few liberties with the facts. And I drive a thirty-year-old Nissan truck. Even though my family isn’t exactly poor, I don’t go to them for money, and I could have USED that 25K. They contacted me via their rep at Paradigm in New York City. I didn’t find out it was CBS Films until a couple of years later, though. Try to look at things from our point of view for a second. You say you would work on the script, but not with the person who wrote the book the movie is based upon. Does that make any sense? If you had told the producers that stuff, they would have rejected your proposal anyway. (On a side note, only a relatively small portion of the film is based on the book. Most is based on the investigatory files we collected on KC and Geestman.) If you ever decide to change your mind about all this, let me know.
This year, since my duties on the film are getting easier, and we’re no longer actively investigating KC, I want to move on to other things. Frankly, I’m getting bored with Cooper. I want to do the two-hour special on Homeless in Seattle, and I mean REAL BAD. I’m setting up interviews with different providers, like the nurse who runs the clinic down in Pioneer Square, (she was on local news the other day) and the folks at the Sea-King Coalition for the Homeless. And I want to interview families, or single moms with kids. I will be mostly NOT interviewing hopeless drunks or junkies. Those types are everywhere, not just with the homeless, but probably in every neighborhood in America. You know…according to Google, there are about 680,000 or so homeless in America. A recent article in Mother Jones calls BS on that, and gives good reasons. They say the number is more like FOUR MILLION people. No worries, I will get to the bottom of this homeless problem one way or another. It’s a passion for me now. We have the photo gear, and I have Chris Brown to shoot the program for us. He will also do some interviews. At the end, we will make a joint statement on what we discovered, and some possible solutions.
A country that is willing to spend a billion bucks a pop for some B2 bomber or other, but UNwilling to help its own citizens…well, you can imagine my feelings on that. I’m a people person all the way.
Maybe Terry would jump on board and help you with your homeless production?
‘Maybe Terry would jump on board and help you with your homeless production?’
Funny joke.
Bruce Smith would probably be a better choice. He’s local. Only lives about 15 miles from me. But anything from him would have to be ‘his move first,’ since he’s already said he doesn’t even open my emails. So I quit sending them. However, in case he reads this, he should know that I already have a couple of local TV content providers interested in the show, and we’re producing it under an LLP. (limited liability partnership) That means anyone involved receives an equal share of any fees we charge content providers to present the show. My own fee I’m donating in total, but I don’t care what anyone else in the partnership does, nor would I try to influence them on that.
AB of Seattle has been around for more than a decade, and we file our taxes each year just like anyone else. So anything we do like this has to be on the up and up. I wouldn’t even consider risking our standing with the IRS for a side project. Not a chance. I’m even covering the $180 fee to register the LLP with the Secretary of State in Olympia. Besides…any content provider would want to ensure we are on legal ground regarding the show, and would demand proof we’re following the rules. This project has been in research for a few months now.
We have a team assembled for the homeless in Seattle documentary. Shooting begins in late March, early April. Phony baloney ‘Chris Brown’ is out, and REAL people are IN. I closed the deal for the Cooper movie today, as well. (My thanks to them for their generous check, which I’m using to produce the homeless production.) I’m told production starts on the Cooper movie naming KC and Geestman as the Cooper perps after the Academy Awards, since the company that partnered with mine has a movie nominated for something or other. So everything is on hold until after the awards.
I have seen Bruce’s post about Britain the Reporter over at the Cooper Forum. I tweeted her on a point or two, but said nothing disparaging about Bruce. He’s on the opposite side of the fence, but he’s never played dirty tricks on us, either. Kudos to him for that.
The production company has decided it’s okay (because of the extensive verification we did) to include Troy Bentz’s story in the movie. We believe Bentz was truthful. I think others will as well.
Tom Colbert is flogging a dead horse. We already know everything except how the money arrived at Tina Bar, but I think we will find that out sooner or later. Both Geestman’s and Kenny’s family are fully onboard with us.
That’s all the news that’s fit to print, as they say. Another forum sponsored by AB will not be created. From now on, all updates come via Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, WordPress, or the Usual Suspects. I sent Shutter a message about ‘hiring’ some phony lawyer to come after us at the last forum, whom we discovered was probably just someone he knew, or a member of his forum. He probably didn’t even read it…
I can argue tenaciously that there’s no way that the Cooper UNSUB made a blind jump in that part of the world. I can also admit that there’s a slight possibility that he might have made the leap much rather south. Had he landed in field of rocks, swamp or river, he’s have been screwed. But first things first:
This message couldn’t wait, it’s a close copy and edited of one that I posted on Nanette’s MB:
OK Nanette, you owe it to yourself to scan the FBI’s NORJAK/Cooper files for certain documents. This is a bit of a daunting task, but I think that the best way to do it, is to page through the pdf’s fairly rapidly and note the volume and page numbers of any documents that appeared to have been handwritten and sent in to either newspaper editors (especially so) and the FBI themselves. You’ll miss a few documents in this process because some of them are typewritten messages.
I found the one titled “Viva Las Vegas.” Apparently it’s a taunting poem. My computer is telling me that it’s located in file 15 of 22, that same pdf file is apparently labeled 15 of 15. Notice my careful wording here. IMHO, it and the envelope have some tell-tail signs of being a Zodiac Jack document, but not a great number of them. On the other hand, I discovered a few other documents that I’ve never seen before, that do have several key signature items on them.
I did read more than a few text documents that clearly tell me that certain persons within the FBI were on the same “pages” that I’ve been on, figuratively speaking that is. They did link Zodiac documents, that’s very clear. They also assert as I do, that Cooper had to have had some method of accurately reaching a specific target on the ground. There’s simply too much wilderness in that area to risk a blind jump. The front end of the crime is simply too high tech and too well thought out, it’s that plain. They were exploring the possible use of a VOR unit, an ELT unit, three stationary walkies-talkies signals, etc, etc. There’s much more to say on this ground target subject alone. On page 85 in the 16 of 22/16 of 16 pdf, is a huge Zodiac Jack 101 document, complete with a backwards facing letter p in Cooper!!!! It also has a backwards facing letter R and a period behind the letter D.!!! It’s code states: “not ‘HERE YOU share not $$$”
Get it? Of course you do! And, get this, it says B D. Cooper. The envelope is highly redacted. The files then abruptly change subject.
So…who still thinks that we’re crazy for linking the 1947 BD case!!! This is more evidence of the use of “not” word and statement modifiers. The encrypted documents link these cases, it’s simply a matter of knowing what to look for and be on the look out for, then all of the pieces fall right into place. There were only certain specific letters of the alphabet that Zodiac Jack modified and in very certain and specific ways. Is it possible at some point that he was being mimicked ? Maybe, but the early Flova hints and the early JT hints are both just subtle enough to show that one person was the author of all of these screwy, taunting, highly cryptic and encrypted crime documents.
I still face more work in reviewing the FBI files. BTW, does the document on page 85 show images of some of the loot? The copy is so piss-poor that one can’t easily tell what the middle of that document contains, and why is the envelope so heavily redacted???? More outrageous bullshit by the FBI brass, that’s for sure!!@#$%$
Terry
Robert, couldn’t agree more about Tom Colbert.
Some minor points: I was wondering if Terry is using the Colbert-provided files or the unedited files provided by author Geoffrey Gray. I’ve heard Gray has virtually ALL the files available, and ALL unedited, but isn’t releasing them ALL at once.
I got a kick out of reading a post over at the Cooper Forum the other day where user ‘Parrothead Vol’ says that the case against Rackstraw is about as poor as the one against Kenny Christiansen. Note to Parrothead Vol: No senior FBI agent has said (a month after the FBI closed the case) that the reason they did was because they knew the hijacker was dead and that he was Kenny Christiansen. Maybe you should inquire with Agent John Jarvis on this one. I don’t think even an FBI agent with 17 years on the job will be able to weasel out of those statements, especially when he said them in front of three verified witnesses, all with security clearances, all who work for the US government. We feel so confident in this evidence that this situation will be presented in the movie on Christiansen. In fact, I spoke about it yesterday in a conference call with the producers and they agreed we were on solid ground. Our theory is that Jarvis felt safe telling these three men those things about the case because….A) One of them was a friend of his. And B) Because the three men held clearances and worked for the US government. In my report on that for WordPress, I name the agent, the main witness, and even where he works for the Navy. The Seattle FBI is well aware of that report, and hasn’t ventured a peep about it, such as you might expect them to do. Something like this: “Dear Mr. Blevins, please remove your article and picture and false statements regarding Special Agent John Jarvis…” Not a peep, not a whisper, and I even showed them where the article was posted. They’ve known the basic information for more than a year now, too. I just didn’t give them Troy Bentz’s last name until now. They could have forced me to retract everything with a simple message. Ask yourself why they don’t…
I do understand to a degree why members of the Cooper Forum are still in denial about Kenny and Bernie. I really do. For one thing, they don’t know everything WE know. And some of that is because I’m not ALLOWED to reveal everything because of the movie. On the other hand, despite their denials, they haven’t really checked out the report on Kenny, although I’m sure most or all of them read it. The basic problem they have is that if you invest so much time, effort, dirty tricks, attacks, and negative postings about an idea, and then you suspect you may have been wrong…it’s hard to backtrack. I have compared it to trying to swallow a golf ball.
I’ve also noticed that the Cooper Forum basically consists of the same few people harping on the same few points. They make a crack about Christiansen once in a while, which is okay, sure. But they aren’t convincing anybody on KC’s guilt one way or another except for the few people in that same small group. Due to Agent Jarvis’ revelation, and Bernie Geestman’s family coming forward, we think we have both these men dead to rights now. Try to remember that the only people currently in possession of ALL the information, ALL the evidence against these men are AB of Seattle, and the two production companies involved in the picture. And none of us are saying anything about that additional evidence.
But…as Mark Lenard said in the original Star Trek episode, ‘Balance of Terror:’
“We HAVE them…move TOWARD them…”
Kenny beats Rackstraw by 30 miles.
Well…maybe. Some of my last message was a little confusing. What I meant was: “No senior FBI agent has stepped up (about RACKSTRAW) and said that the reason the FBI closed the Cooper case was because the hijacker was dead anyway, and that he was KENNY.’
And at the end when I said we had ‘these two dead to rights,’ I meant Kenny and Bernie Geestman.
I didn’t know who Colbert was until a few days ago. I don’t try to make a suspect fit, I work the evidence the other way around. The logic that Bruce applies to the suspect list is very good logic indeed. Nanette Barto leans towards Jack Tarrance as the hijacker. He’d have been about the right age, and Nanette said something about Jack developing a limp during that time period. Her work on the handwriting is also very good. I do have to admit that it certainly does look like Jack’s handwriting on the ticket. Nanette produced the right military records too. However, Jack wore prescription glasses, how does that fit in? How heavy his prescription was, I don’t know. To me, the Tena bar money find seems kinda fishy. For the last several years I’ve been convinced that Jack was an operative in criminal organization. If there’s something that I don’t know about any of this stuff, I’ll be the first to admit it. There are simply far too many cross-referenced hints involving these crimes, to have been a mere coincidence. The main thing that validates me as a researcher, is my discovery of the “Victory! S.B.t.C” decode. The odds of those letters fitting to a specific location in the state of Michigan, that has the victim’s brothers name “Burke,” and a Garret/garrote hint, is simply not gonna happen by chance. When I applied this same methodology to the Zodiac killer’s 340 cipher, it gives us a Pelican Butte, “Oregon” hint, with a very zig-zag trail just to the west. Apparently there was an primal astrology “Pelican” sign. When I read the description of that sign, it seems to fit a general description of me and how I think. The “Butte” hint might be a hint towards Butte Montana? You see…I was on the lookout for another “Oregon” hint to explain the 340 decode, and got several of them with the Cooper case. I was on the lookout for an explanation for the speedster hint on the Ramsey note, and I got one via the clip-on tie to the Tektronix inc hint, and got the bonus of a “Beaver”ton hint as well, which explains the mystery of why there were “beaver” hairs on JonBenet’s hands. abeldanger/Hawkins/McConnell thinks the ‘beaver” hairs link to the Royal Canadian mounted police, the Royal guard and Russel Williams. I suspect that the word “delivery” on the Ramsey RN triggered those guys to think in terms of the word “livery.”(?) The several uses of the words “bills” and the hint of a Cartier’ watch, coupled with a possible saxophone/rusty axe/head cutter hints on the Ramsey note, evokes a certain line of reasoning too. When I first started looking in the state of Michigan in terms of coordinates, I discovered a “Chelsey” Michigan city, which kept me looking. I see Purple gang linkage in the hints and evidence trail. I’m a bit spooked by the song title “Purple Rain,” as a matter of course. Read Mindhunter, because otherwise most people don’t “think” the same way that organized serial killer’s think. The “order out of chaos” concept is the key point to grasp in that publication. Sorry for my use of foul language, but I don’t have the patience for a lot of BS. I’ll watch my language in the future.
BTW, far too many stupid people fail to recognize the key significance and importance of the Nunes memo. Far too many serious crimes have happened in the Clinton orb.
Terry: Colbert is a complete media hound. No other interest in db cooper except for what he can promote under his own name. As for Nanette, …..didn’t she do a lot of work on the Zodiak case? She spent a lot of time on his handwriting, and it was very good work.
That’s the way that I read Colbert too. Nanette did do a lot of work on the Zodiac case, but she also links several more cases than I do. Her Powerpoint presentation on the handwriting makes it easy for anyone to follow. She believes in the MKULTRA angle too, which is something that I don’t poo-poo, but it’s not my main focus. She’s taken a lot of flak . All of my own work leads me to back to the Ramsey case. John Ramsey’s company did a billion dollars in sales in 1996. He was the main target of the murder, that’s for certain. It’s pretty easy see that the crime was rigged and that the Ramsey’s were monitored for several months in advance of the commission of the murder. The main stream media has never been forthright about the Ramsey murder and have engaged in lies and false subliminal suggestions, the same of which proves that the whole works is rigged like a one party system. The BBC is also in on the dirty side. CNN is the most obvious group of liars. Recent events show that the FBI under Comey was rigged, as was the Lynch Justice Dept. They should all swing for treason.
BTW, I’d really like to hear all of the honest arguments about the Tena bar money. I’ve seen a few of them. Do the rivers involved get winter ice flows on them?
Yeah, I checked out the Nanette stuff. She’s a legit investigator all right. The hard thing about the Zodiac case is reading the details on the actual killings. That poor girl in one of them…while her boyfriend is being shot and thrashing around in the back seat, she is trying to get to the front of the car and get the car started. She didn’t make it, although they say she got the brake off, was in first gear, had the key into the ON position before she was killed. She never actually got behind the drivers’ seat, though. Hard stuff to read. Really tough. Zodiac was a real SOB for sure.
Cooper-related: In case any of you haven’t read my updated and carefully-edited-for-accuracy story on the Troy Bentz evidence, it’s here: https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/the-real-reason-the-f-b-i-closed-the-d-b-cooper-case/
This story has been so heavily verified by AB staff that the production company decided we can put it into the movie. I stand behind it fully. This guy Bentz gave us everything but the kitchen sink, and that made it easy to check out. Then he mailed us the sink, as well.
Didn’t want to double post, but I just found this and it’s pretty funny. They took the Decoded episode on DB Cooper and dubbed it into Chinese for YouTube. I downloaded a copy just for the hilariousness of it all. Never heard myself in Chinese before, LOL.
Lol. Good one, Robert.
Got evidence that it was Kenny? No, no you don’t. Just because the composite bears a slight resemblance to Kenny isn’t “evidence.” Others that were on the plane and saw the Cooper UNSUB said in no uncertain terms that it wasn’t Kenny, yet that doesn’t seem to matter to you, Blevins. I assert that the FBI, under the very obviously criminal James Comey, ended the investigation because of the document linkages between the Zodiac cases and the Cooper caper, and the Ramsey murder, and several other crimes. A careful study of the FBI’s posted case files shows this. A simple study of the documents shows that whomever the Zodiac author was, he had inside crime scene knowledge, and that this same person predicted the Cooper caper as early as 1969 with the Zodiac QC40 document and more. While Blevins pointing the finger at Kenny isn’t quite as dumb as the people that point the finger at Burke Ramsey is, it’s still pretty dumb….and sickening disinformation. Burke Ramsey was cleared based on the evidence, and the police and the DA even said so in writing 20 years ago. But that didn’t stop Jim Clemente, Spitz, Richards and the rest of his evil clown associates from pointing the finger at Burke Ramsey….and the criminally operated CBS ran that pack of lies despite prior factually based warnings in writing from Ramsey lawyer L Lin Wood! Blevins, are you gonna push it until Kenny’s family files a lawsuit against you? Don’t answer that, because I’m done talking “to” you, I’m only left with talking “at” you. People like you are a festering symptom of what’s truly wrong with our country these days! If the media creeps run your Kenny C/Cooper nonsense, then we’ll know what camp you’re actually in! The same of which will come as no surprise to me. Get off of it Blevins, get off of it!
Marla, I would love to talk to you about your Uncle Dewey… Please email me at nbnickyb233@gmail.com
Thanks,
Nicky
Marla got the media and F BI behind her, as did Tom Colbert. Blevins had a great media run a few years ago, but no F BI.
The guys over at Cooper Forum are coming here to see whats going on. Kinda funny.
All are welcome, as long as they conduct themselves appropriately.
Not tolerated are personal attacks, crude language, and libelous statements, such as definitively naming someone as DB Cooper. You can express your opinion – and you may be absolutely convinced your suspect is DBC – but you must state that as a personal opinion.
Kenny Christiansen as Cooper? Not a proven fact, no. Strictly personal opinion, yes. I don’t mind admitting that. I could be wrong, sure. Like three-quarters of other stuff in the Cooper case, there are still few definitive answers, and almost no one agrees on anything.
I have a report on the upcoming picture, but I will need the approval of the blog owner (Bruce) to post any information. It’s not really enough to create an article on it, just a few sentences on arrangements and how the story will be presented. In fact, I think any information that gets posted here about that should be done via personal request only. Bruce knows where to reach me.
Otherwise, it could be seen as hijacking someone else’s news site. And although Bruce and I have had our differences, I still consider him a straight shooter. He’s never played any dirty tricks on me, even when others sometimes did. For that, he gets some respect.
A couple things, Robert:
1. This is not a blog site. The Mountain News-WA is an online news magazine. As such, commentators are allowed to post their comments in the space provided providing they are appropriate and conform to our guidelines, namely, nothing libelous and nothing that besmirches a person’s character and reputation.
2. There has never been a limit to how much commentary one can make, so post away on your movie I suppose – but do keep it under a few hundred words, please.
This article is about a letter or two regarding the Cooper case. It’s come to the point where I can discuss some aspects of the film, but I don’t think doing it this way is fair to you. I have messaged you on a possible solution. If my suggestion in the message doesn’t work for you, I will just wait a bit longer and then write up my own article later. This DB Cooper movie stuff just can’t be covered fairly in a short comment on a news article that has nothing to do with it. Not fair to the subject, not fair to you either.
What I don’t understand is how Blevins and Colbert get away with their accusations against Geestman and Rackstraw without threat of a lawsuit by either guy. Rackstraw should have been all over Colbert, and Geestman all over Blevins.
Ted brings up a legitimate question: “What I don’t understand is how Blevins and Colbert get away with their accusations against Geestman, and Rackstraw without threat of a lawsuit by either guy. Rackstraw should have been all over Colbert, and Geestman all over Blevins…”
First, you are comparing apples to oranges here. Rackstraw HAS made a lot of public noise against his accuser, and frankly I don’t blame him. But our investigation into Christiansen and Geestman was, and is today…nothing like what Tom Colbert did with Rackstraw. Let me explain why.
1) Geestman’s own family has come forward and provided details, after they saw the Decoded TV show, read the report we gave to the FBI, and after he failed to even tell his own family he would be on national television.
2) Geestman was caught in several lies before his appearance on History Channel, mostly by researcher Marisa Kagan, who is now an attorney in Los Angeles.
3) Geestman told the cast of History Channel that yes, Kenny could be Cooper because Kenny looked just like the sketch. But his family, and some of his closest friends have testified he was WITH Kenny the entire week of the hijacking.
I have discussed Geestman’s situation with an attorney we have used occasionally. He says that even if Geestman sued us, Geestman would also have to appear to give a deposition, and that he would have to answer questions provided to him by the Adventure Books staff. At one point, Geestman even told History Channel that he hardly knew Kenny and thought he was a dishwasher. They sent him more than twenty photos of he and Kenny together that spanned more than two decades. That’s why he came onto the show. When he gets there he lies to them some more, and then tosses Kenny under the bus. Even his own family believes he was involved now. Can’t say I blame them. Back in 2009, when we released the early version of the book on Kenny, the only thing Geestman wanted was six free copies. We gladly provided them to him. In fact, we would WELCOME a lawsuit from Geestman, and then wait for his deposition. Witness Helen Jones, and some members of his own family would be involved in all that, and none of their testimony would favor ‘Uncle Bernie,’ I assure you.
As I have said sometimes, you can’t keep secrets in families…especially when you start lying on national TV and your own family is watching.
I went to the Cooper Forum today and I have to say that, even though Shutter has done a fairly good job organizing, the site with its half dozen routine posters has nothing to offer. It’s no different than the old Drop Zone site, with continuous bickering and putdowns by the same two or three individuals. In short, Shutter has a non-inclusive site full of rehashed discussions and no revelations. Frankly, it’s a very boring site. Someone, maybe Bruce Smith, needs to breathe some fresh air into the discussion lest DB Cooper will fade into oblivion as a great mystery that has been internalized to death by a bunch of yackers and pitiful old clowns who didnt know the fundamental art of good story telling.
Yes, the DB Cooper Forum does have too much bickering and blather, but it does have its moments of great importance. I think of it as an informational magnet – you just have to wait for the gems to drop from the sky.
What ‘gems’? They aren’t even hip to the movie coming on DB Cooper, and have made extraordinary efforts to squash any and all information about it. I could go into details, but all that is freely available via Facebook, Twitter, and the usual suspects.
Thank God for the First Amendment, which allows folks to put out the information anyway, no matter how hard, or how many ‘funny tricks’ you try to use to stifle it.
Let me say this regarding your investigation into the Cooper case: You have alienated key witnesses. You turned down a 15K offer to work on twenty pages of the script for accuracy for the movie. The admin at the DB Cooper forum came after our own forum not once, but TWICE, and the last time he used a phony ‘lawyer’ to do so. We didn’t bother with a third forum, and decided to leave updates to our main site at AB, or via social media. Then the Cooper Forum banned our IP again, but we can still view the site whenever we wish.
Couple all of that with his unsuccessful efforts to squash the truth, and he becomes just a side note in the Cooper case. YOU have said that you don’t even read the emails I’ve sent you, some of them even offering you a shot at interviewing homeless people in the Seattle area for our movie that starts shooting in April.
No one here knows what to think about you, but one thing here at AB we do agree upon. You need new friends, ones who don’t try dirty tricks, and don’t have an agenda.
A comment from the AB Staff to Bruce: We DO like you, mainly because you have done much positive work on the Cooper case, have one of the newer books out there about the case, and because you are close to where we are, i.e. Seattle/Puget Sound area. We like that you’re local.
We just can’t figure out why you keep turning down honest and decent offers. It’s a mystery for sure. But we do like you. Just saying. If you ever change your mind on some of these offers, it’s not too late, but the door is closing quickly. At some point, except for the Homeless in Seattle movie, I won’t have any more control over certain things in the Cooper Movie Gig. And trust me…that movie is coming. Nothing until after the Oscars, though. That much I can tell you.
But once that second production company comes on board, my say in any involvement by you becomes much less. When I accepted the second-year option money, that is what happened. There is this window where I have some control. But only for a while. Maybe until April 10 or so, after that, I just do my job for these companies and I have no more real say on who participates. That’s because I don’t write the checks with the partner company. And they will probably have their own ideas on who participates and who does not. I always thought you would be perfect for the partial script review, which means approximately the 20-25 pages of the shooting script covering the time between when Cooper boarded and when he jumped. You know…so we don’t accidentally claim that Captain Scott went back to talk to Cooper. (*smiles*) Sure, I could wing this part by doing my research, and frankly…some of that research on details would come from what others have done previously. That was a hint.
But I think the person who has done the most research on the actual details of what actually went down on the flight, (that would be YOU and Geoff Gray) might want to ensure those details are correct. Failing that, no one in Cooperland should whine if we get a minor detail wrong. Wasn’t like you weren’t offered the chance to correct us…and for fairly nice money.
I am now closing my ‘follow’ to this article. I think I’ve stated my position clearly. Let me know if you have a change of heart about things. Might be better than sitting on the sidelines.
Bruce, for God’s sake, show some L-O-V-E,
Bro.
Hunh? Love? If you are referring to my silence in regards to RMB’s posts, I have stated my position numerous times on participating in the Kenny C movie. RMB’s above post is just the latest restatement of HIS position.
To wit. I am happy to discuss my participation with the producers in their DB Cooper movie. They have yet to contact me.
Well, sounds like love to me.
Georger has finally had a meltdown at his computer terminal in his apartment in Iowa City. Go see Cooper Forum under Clues, Documents… The dude has gone bonkers and this does happen when too deep in D B C. RIP, Georger.
Bruce says: “To wit. I am happy to discuss my participation with the producers in their DB Cooper movie. They have yet to contact me…”
Bruce, my sort-of friend…I have explained this to you at length. The producers are not in charge of the script. They secure financing for the movie and do other things, but they don’t do the script except for hiring the main screenwriter. The final script is the responsibility of the screenwriter, and yours truly. (I took a smaller offer to secure this right.) Even if they contacted you, they would inquire on my approval first before letting you near any portion of the script, or making you an offer. Look what you’re saying. You would be willing to work on a movie script based on some author’s book, (and the investigatory files that go with that book) but you AREN’T willing to work with the author of the book itself. It’s ridiculous on its face. Imagine if I tried that one with a production company. Let me give an example:
Let’s suppose Will Gluck’s production company, the guys who own the rights to Geoff Gray’s book Skyjack, decided to finally do the movie on his book. And…that his company asked me to assist with some details regarding KC and this movie. And…then I told them I’d be willing to consult on the script, but I couldn’t work with Gray. What do you think their response would be?
The production company isn’t GOING to contact you. They know exactly who you are. They’ve known for years. But the script is NOT their responsibility. They have nothing to do with it except final approval on the finished product. In fact, I’m supposed to approve their hiring of the main screenwriter, but that’s mainly a courtesy, since I would certainly say yes because I know they plan to hire a writer with a good track record. But the fact they will even ask me to approve should tell you something.
What you say may be true, RMB, but I’d love to hear it directly from the producers.
I’m sure you would. They’ve already seen all your responses via your email replies to my offer since about last March, I guess. They were not impressed. They turned this responsibility over to me, i.e. anyone slated and contracted to work on the script. And frankly Bruce, they don’t trust anyone at the Cooper Forum. I don’t think they’ve been there for a while (they are sort of beyond that research point), but both you and that site have been discussed at length via Skype and email. You, not badly, although they have reservations. The admin at that site they have a BIG problem with and want nothing to do with him, mainly due to his efforts to shut down not one, but two AB Forums, even using a phony identity to do so. I send them EVERYTHING. They have seen the multiple posts that cannot be responded to about KC, they have seen my name mentioned scores of times in a negative way, and they believe it’s unfair. Sometimes we even joke about it.
Look, Bruce. I can understand your reticence to come aboard and be a part of the team. I know what’s going on better than you might think. For example, I know that you would be ostracized by many members of the Cooper Forum if you did so. But the problem is sometimes you have to take a side and not try to play both sides against the middle. The Cooper Forum has Google-searched their brains out trying to find the source of the movie, and they haven’t come up with a thing.
The reason is…everyone involved is serious…and everyone involved takes their responsibilities seriously. And to be completely upfront about it, we all stand to make a fair amount of money. After so many years investigating KC, I have no reservations about going along with the producers’ plan and putting KC’s story out there on film for the public. Anyone who isn’t serious just isn’t being allowed to come aboard for all that. It’s too important, and the solution too serious to do anything else. This whole project requires complete honesty and a serious commitment from everyone involved. Anyone else can just go buy a ticket and argue among themselves about the validity of the film. That’s what reviewers are for.
Georger losing it again on DB Cooper Forum. Now attacking 377. Georger must be getting frustrated in his old age, or Alzheimer’s is setting in complicated by sheer nastiness. Must be the water in Iowa City.
Bruce: It isn’t fair for me to keep meeting you like this. 🙂 If you’re really interested, you know where to reach me other than comments on your news magazine. Just saying.
Georger? No big deal. He’s well-informed on the Cooper case, although he can be a bit of a grouch sometimes. But aren’t we all occasionally. And, I have changed my mind regarding starting up a THIRD (maybe it will be the charm this time) AB Forum. I will link the new site to the main AB website later this evening. I don’t imagine we will be talking about other websites. Just AB updates on the homeless movie, the Cooper movie, sponsored campouts, etc. Registration will not be restricted except for spammers.
Mr. Smith: please publish this reply and address to “currawong” and “377” at
PPRuNe: “go check the personnel records of employees at Flying Tigers, circa 1971.”
What’s cookin’, Gypsy 23? Sounds so cloak and dagger-ish. BTW, I just signed up for Showtime at Hulu so I can see Season Six of Homeland!
Currawong and 377 enter dialogue at internet jump site concerning the hijackers origins. Flying Tigers is the correct background. 727 used during VN war.
Well…you can find the complete and certified list of all Flying Tiger personnel here:
https://archive.is/20130123081521/http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/camco.htm
Better get to researching. It’s a big damn list. Some were killed in combat. Most of the others are dead today, and the reunions *mostly* attended by family members today.
A recent info release I made:
‘February 19 – A major contribution has come in to assist us doing the movie on the homeless situation in Seattle. It was donated by a person we know well, and she will be credited in the film. I have no words right now. It was an extremely generous amount we did not ask for, or expect. Chris, Tomasz, and I have decided to use some of the money to host a big BBQ at the Othello Encampment, which is located in South Seattle. More details later, but if you want to know what we’re doing, just see the PDF. The coordinator at Othello has been informed, and probably hopes April comes sooner than expected. That’s when production shooting begins on the movie. I’m taking a four-day vacation up above the Skokomish River in mid-March, and then we move on to the film. It’s going to be good. This is more fun, more interesting, and much more socially relevant than our work on the D.B. Cooper case. I can tell you now that I’m happy to be finally moving on from that. If any of you reading this are Cooper fans who hang out at another place, and have any ideas of going behind us to trash our efforts, I wouldn’t bother. Everyone is prepared for that, I assure you…’
Just saying. You are missing out, Bruce. I could use a guy to work the boom and ask relevant questions, but I’m sure you are having none of that. Let’s face facts. You ditched your op on the DB Cooper movie, refused to show up at the Auburn Library for the Big TV Presentation to a packed house on Cooper, and have dissed every chance we ever gave you for inclusion in everything we do. At some point, people will start to question WHY. Some are already doing that now. You have said you don’t even read or answer the emails. Well…you’re the only one who does that. Everyone else does. It’s called manners. I think someday you will look back upon on this with regrets, but that’s just a personal opinion.
Why.
RMB asks me in the above why I choose not to work with him, and he alleges that others are asking “why,” as well. Perhaps they are, so I will offer a few words here:
My association with RMB dates back about ten years. During that time he has launched a goodly number of threats at me, including law suits and police action. His character assassinations at various DB Cooper chat rooms are extreme and plentiful. All of these issues are elements in my decision not to participate in the many events that RMB offers.
Nevertheless, RMB is a force in the Cooper World, such as his many posts here at the Mountain News attest. Hence, I respond to him and his announcements as I see fit.
Yo, Gypsy, why so cryptic?
Mr. Smith, the entire case is cryptic. Think: Flying Tigers. Know their background well, their connections in se Asia in the 60’s, and their missions and you will better know DB Cooper.
Oh, come on Bruce. Aren’t you being a bit dramatic here? About the only things I ever objected to regarding YOU were your approach with the Dormuth family, and you hinting that Kenny Christiansen might be a child molester. You had no proof on that, and even hinting such a thing is a lot worse than me naming him as a hijacker. The Dormuth family I thought you did the wrong approach with them. No patience. (The Dormuth’s are wife=Tina Mucklow’s sister, and husband=retired FBI agent.) Now they won’t talk to anyone. You were the cause of that, and you did this just DAYS prior to our photo and evidence package on Kenny going out to them. They had tentatively agreed not only to look at it, but to show pictures to Tina. After what you did with that article, they rejected everyone working on the Cooper case. You, me, anyone.
I didn’t even know you back in 2010 when the incident with the Auburn Police happened. We’ve been down that road before. Someone called up City Hall a week prior to my slideshow presentation on Kenny at the Auburn Ave Theater. Made a death threat from a pay phone. The festival director calls me up. Asks me if I knew who might have done that. I said I didn’t know, but that you were the closest Cooper-type person to Auburn. They assigned a cop. The plan was just to ask you if you arrived if you had made the call. You say no? You go right into the theater no problem. I didn’t even MEET you until the 2012 Ariel, and that was the only time I did. Six years ago. A threat coming in like that before a festival where thousands of people attend…someone was going to do something about it. And as you remember, once I got to know you, I also realized you could not have been the one to make that dumb phone call. In fact, I have a pretty good idea now who did. And it wasn’t you, but you know them.
If you want to discuss ‘character assassination,’ take a look at that forum you hang out at. Hundreds of negative comments about me, plus a page specially created just for me. Don’t make me laugh. Now they are probably pissed because the film producers saw everything there for what it actually was and bypassed them. All I did was try to let you back in for the movie, because you (unlike some others I won’t name) did not engage in dirty tricks against myself, or AB in general. We don’t have a relationship. I only saw you the one time, you know.
Ever since I signed the option to make the movie, I have made good-faith efforts to include you, which also came with a pretty good cash bonus for not a whole lot of work. But…since I haven’t seen you except once in more than eight years, before I would recommend you for a contract with the production company…I insisted on working with you beforehand. I see nothing wrong with that. I still don’t. However, if you want to sit on the sidelines regarding what will probably be the only dramatic feature film EVER done on the Cooper hijacking…that’s your choice completely.
Yo, Gypsy –
You sound well versed in the History of the Flying Tigers – what can you tell us? You say, in effect: “Know the Flying Tigers and you will know DB Cooper.” Okay. So, it sounds like you know the FT. Do you know DBC? Or can you, at least, tell us how you came to the understanding that if we knew more about the activities and personnel of the Flying Tigers in Southeast Asia we would know DB Cooper?
Or is this a generic statement, such as: If you know Air America you will know DB Cooper. Or if you know MAC-V-SOG you will know DB Cooper. Or smokejumpers, or 5th Special Forces, or Seal Team Six, etc.
What is so special with the Flying Tigers?
Everyone has their “opinions” about origins of this case. All I’m sayin is that Flying Tigers is where Cooper got his jump knowledge about 727’s.
Okay, but how do you know that? You speak so authoritatively.
Maybe one of the Flying Tigers, or their support staff, was Cooper. I think that’s what Gypsy is getting at. But it’s hard to start researching that whole list of FT pilots and staff. Need to narrow down the list a bit somehow.
Cooper is great, but can get tiresome. Maybe it’s time for a vacation. (Bruce) A good time is guaranteed for all, just like the other times. 🙂
http://adventurebooks.proboards.com/thread/6/skokomish-river-campout-march-2018
Shutter and Georgers gang of 5 busy at the Forum. Whole lot of back slapping goon on over der
Yeah. I know. They pretty much watch the new AB Forum like a hawk. I was going to post a counter-comment over at my place, but decided to ignore them instead. What they do is pick up on posts at the AB Forum and then try a little baiting on me. No big deal. It’s what they do. Their real purpose is to see if they can get me to make negative comments at our forum, so they can turn us in to ProBoards. Been there, done that. It doesn’t matter what they say anymore. Movie is definitely coming, and for that I have one last job to do reviewing the script, and then I am *happily* extricating myself from the Cooper Vortex.
I stand to make an absolute minimum of $75,000 (50K floor guaranteed up to 200K depending on size of official budget, 15K associate producer credit, 10K basically video rights payoff, and three points on the movie out of the producers’ share, which goes forever.) That softens a lot of personal insults I have had to put up with, and will assist greatly when Gayla and I move next year. 🙂
They can say what they want. Nothing will change on all of that. But the real bonus is THIS: The truth about KC and Bernie will come out one way or another after the picture is released. I have no doubt about it. And even if it turns out we’re wrong on KC, I will know I gave it my best shot and offered up the evidence to a national (possibly international) audience. There’s nothing they can do about it. And frankly, I get some satisfaction out of knowing that.
How much would Bruce get if you put him on the film vrew?
Ted asks: “How much would Bruce get if you put him on the film crew?”
This is a question for Bruce. He makes his own decisions, and besides…I already said the arrangements that were offered, farther back in comments.
You can make offers, but it doesn’t mean someone has to accept them.
EDIT: Wait a minute…are you talking about Cooper or the homeless in Seattle movie? If it’s the homeless movie, everyone is doing that one on a volunteer basis. We’ve already received some approvals for shooting locations in the authorized encampments. I asked if Bruce might be interested in doing mike boom or possibly interview work for some shoots. We could use a fourth person, especially for the BBQ/interviewing families-with-kids shoot. Everyone involved receives film credit and the finished product will be submitted to film festivals for consideration.
I can’t go into all that here. It’s complicated. I’ve been busy, and plenty of information is available. Our PDF on the movie has gone out to many relevant folk. We’re getting good responses. I dunno. Maybe since I got lucky on one thing, I thought it was time to give something back. You know how it is. 🙂
Oh dear. Are they upset with me over at the Cooper Forum, or what? 🙂 Multiple postings with the usual uninformed stuff. Blah blah blah. I think it’s simply baiting. They want me to respond over at the AB Forum. Not happening, nada, negatory, no, not a possibility, fogettaboutit. 🙂
I no longer really care what those guys say anymore. I just get tired of my email box filling up with notices that I should go look. Thanks, but no thanks. I drop by once in a while, sure. I just chuckle after reading the same old postings and move on. I think what’s going on is they just accept the fact that sensible folks found the website not only unfair, but full of attack mode stuff. Not just on me, but damn near anyone. It puts people off, and the end result was that they got bypassed for the movie.
There’s no story they say. People must be crazy if they pay me money for Kenny’s story. It can’t be Kenny, he was an employee. Yet I hear not a peep about the Troy Bentz evidence where we actually named the FBI agent who told three people they dropped the case because they knew it was Kenny, and that Kenny was dead anyway. Seattle FBI doesn’t deny this incident, either. No one tries to make me take down Jarvis’ picture, name, or all the allegations. Makes you wonder why. Like maybe Jarvis was telling his friends the truth. You think?
They can say what they want. And we can DO what we want. That’s really the bottom line. Their opinions, since they sprinkle in mistruths and distortions here and there that are coupled with obviously emotion-based attacks. (‘boy, are WE pissed RB got that! How could this happen? Where did we go wrong?’) They went wrong, if there is such a thing in the Cooper case, because they played dirty tricks and mixed some truth with some lies. Because they can’t play it straight with people because they have an agenda. And that will put off people (other than a few folks in the Cooper Vortex) every single time.
Agree with you, Robert. Jerry Warner, the guy who hides in the shadows as Georger, is the most vile and hateful of the bunch. Can’t understand why Bruce tries to protect him and his identity. Jerry has never been kind to Bruce. Just the opposite. Warner has provided nothing to Bruce except denigrating comments. Go figure.
Editor’s Note:
I’m not a big fan of “screen names” and hidden identities, but I realize that many people do want to remain anonymous. So, when people ask me to help protect their identity I endeavor to comply.
Speaking of which, who are you, Ted? What’s your full name? It seems to be so important to you. Why?
Bruce,
I’m just now getting around to watching the series of videos you’ve been doing on Youtube. I watched the first one today while I was driving down the interstate. Ok, I listened more than I watched. Anyway, very good stuff. I look forward to watching the others.
Blevins,
Could you please explain to me how the good folks over at the DB Cooper Forum got passed over for the movie? You keep saying this but I don’t quite follow. I guess my question is, was someone over there trying to get a movie deal? Can they get passed up for such a deal if they are not even trying to get one? That’s kind of like me saying that Jennifer Garner got passed up for the opportunity to be my wife. She didn’t know I was considering her and had no desire to marry me I’m sure. But she got passed up nonetheless.
Also, if the FBI were going to close the case because the culprit were dead, and they were not going to bother telling the world who it was….then why did they tell the world about LD Cooper being the “most promising suspect” when he was dead. That little theory of yours makes no sense. The FBI would absolutely name the identity of the hijacker if they knew it. Have you considered that perhaps the agent who supposedly said these things just possibly, maybe, might not have any damn idea what the hell he is talking about??
Parrot – Jennifer Garner missed the boat with you, TOO? How do these romantic travesties happen?
BTW: I recently was characterized as a “stalker” for asking Salma Hayek on a date…by mail! The #MeToo Revolution is causing some strange rip tides. All purposeful, I suppose, as there are many lassies who have wounds that need healing.
Bruce: You’re NOT a stalker and one of my previous forums got closed because I revealed someone’s true identity. I have differences with some folks in Cooperland, that’s true enough, but someone using your place to bash personally isn’t cool. Now over at the Cooper Forum, I get bashed a LOT. I don’t really mind…except when they start bringing Gayla’s name into it. She doesn’t even LIKE the Cooper case, and has no interest in it at all. Next, they’ll start picking on my kids or using their names. One is a teacher, the other is a radiology tech at a hospital. Both girls. But I’m not giving out their names.
TED: I’m not a big fan of Georger’s grouchiness, but for you to keep rubbing in his identity on Bruce’s place is just going to get you banned or deleted. Besides…everyone in Cooperland knows who he is anyway. It’s not a big deal. You’re not revealing some big secret.
Parrothead: Did you actually read the WordPress article about Agent Jarvis? He’s a sixteen year veteran of the Bureau, works in Behavioral Profiling out of Quantico. Before that, he mostly worked murder cases that had Federal jurisdiction. Come on, what do you want from me? Three witnesses? All with security clearances? It’s good evidence, and I spoke to Troy several times on the phone about it, plus extensive emails. We also verified the witnesses and the personal references Bentz provided. Everything checked out…and then I informed the Seattle FBI. Jarvis’ picture is in the article. Don’t you think the FBI would have told me to take that stuff down by now? They’ve had the information for over a year. I sent it to them myself. We feel so solid on this evidence that it’s being included in the movie, and we’re using Jarvis’ name. Maybe you should email him and ask ‘what’s up’ if you don’t believe it. 🙂
Do I HAVE to go over the movie stuff again? This isn’t the place for it. Why don’t you email (like everyone else out there does) if you want an answer? Fine…one last time but that’s it. I will do a bullet list for you:
1) Film production company researched Cooper for approximately 14 months before they got hold of me.
2) They kept seeing references (mostly negative) at the Cooper Forum. Then they researched Kenny via the Decoded show, Wiki, the book, God knows where else.
3) They contacted me and asked about the rights to Kenny’s story. Wanted more info. Said they heard of me through the Cooper Forum. Okay.
4) I took a chance and sent them a great many files on KC and Geestman that have not been public. I also sent them the public stuff.
5) They researched all this material for about two months, offered a movie deal. I accepted. They paid me for the first year’s option and ordered 100 copies of the book.
6) They told me they wanted to partner with another company to do the movie. This is very common these days, which is why most movies list two or three or four companies at the start of the movie. So…to help with that…they bought themselves 100 little briefcases and put the book in each one, along with a two-page outline of the evidence, a ten-page film treatment I wrote, sunglasses, a clip on tie, a facsimile of the NWA Cooper ticket, etc. They used these when meeting with other film company execs.
7) During this time, they asked me to approach a couple of people known in the Cooper case, namely Bruce and Marty. They also wanted me to contact Shutter and see if his website would like to come on board with the movie somehow. I warned them that putting me up for this job was probably useless, since most of you over there hate me anyway. I said: “Why can’t YOU guys do it? They aren’t going to listen to ME?”
8) They said: “Because we don’t want anything released about this movie until we make the announcement first, and we don’t trust anyone over there.” (They said on Skype that if they registered and posted, or emailed anyone without a go-between, the word would be out the next day. I agreed with this.) They asked me to try anyway. So I did. Everything was rejected, and sometimes not very politely.
9) Marty, when I finally figured out where he was on the internet, (you can’t see anything about anyone at the Cooper Forum, and all the links you guys post are invisible to guests) well…I made him the same offer as I did Bruce. He said he had some previous problem with the media and didn’t want to do it. Okay, that’s fine, I said.
10) Over the last year, I made overtures to Bruce, but he told me he wanted to hear this offer from the producers, and hinted he wouldn’t work with me anyway. So the whole thing went nowhere. I finally gave up on everyone.
11) The film producers haven’t been to the Cooper Forum in a long time, but they’ve told me more than once that the constant attacks there, some of them even mentioning Gayla, were juvenile and unfair. Said they had seen this stuff before, since they work in Hollywood.
12) In the end, it was decided to just move on and do the movie without anyone else from Cooperland, since it looked like no one was interested, or they spent a lot of posts just knocking on everything.
That’s pretty much it.
RMB, I’ve sent snail mail letters to the John Jarvis’ I have been able to find in Northern Virginia and have not gotten a response. In addition, I have spoken with Troy in Arlington, but he is quite anxious about being identified and hung up on me.
Can you give us more info on Jarvis? Can you ask him to make contact with me?
I don’t answer those kinds of questions publicly, Bruce. Like the recent comments you made at the Cooper Forum asking about Kenny’s money, and how much, etc. Why don’t you do as others do and start going to the source….I mean think about it for a minute. Why should I give you any considerations here when you said publicly you just ignore my emails? Now I’m supposed to just hand you what you want…some of which is confidential info…PUBLICLY? Come on, as Karen Allen said in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I can be reasonable. But you ask too much.
If you had read the WordPress article, you’d know why Troy is reticent to talk to anybody now.
I have a hard time believing that the FBI would sit on the solution of this case just because the culprit was dead. Again, they were all ready to proclaim LD Cooper (a dead guy) as the hijacker. If they closed the case and named the hijacker, then it’s over. They got their man and the only unsolved hijacking in US history is no longer unsolved. But instead, they decide to not say anything and let the wackos continue to call and send in tips as the Cooper case remains unsolved, at least publicly. I just don’t buy that. Secondly, I have to wonder where Mr. Jarvis got his info, or is it just opinion? Did he work on the Cooper case? I would think that information such as this, if it were actually true, would not be freely given out to anyone and everyone within the agency. So, unless he was directly involved in the Cooper investigation, I would be highly skeptical of anything he said about it. The Cooper case was closed after the FBI tried unsuccessfully for 5 years to pin the crime on uncle LD, publicly. It makes no sense at all that they would sweep it under the rug if it were another dead guy.
parrotheadvol, your reasoning on this make sense to me too. I just finished gleaning the FBI DB Cooper FOIA files for communication documents, and as well as any other special documents. I tried to skip all of the suspect files and for several good reasons. For one thing, the composite that we’ve all seen isn’t accurate, this is according to several people that actually saw the UNSUB. The FBI brass took that investigations sideways. An early report derived by both NWA and a Portland radar station fixed the plane drop point and path just west of LeCenter Washington. The fact that the placard from the rear stairs was found just east of Castle Rock Washington shows that the flight path was very near I5, which in turn is very close to the North/South portion of the Columbia river. This in turn could then account for the money find at Tena bar, as well. That is, until you look at the peculiar fact that exactly $200 was missing from the $5800 bundle. According to Bruce’s book, one of the stewardesses redrew the composite and the result looks nothing like the composite that the FBI has been peddling. Furthermore, that drop zone location makes far greater overall sense. It has several conjoined plowed fields in that area. Apparently some agents were convinced that Cooper had a high tech way of acquiring a ground target and so am I. The collective reasoning was that Cooper dropped for about 45 seconds and then pulled the rip cord right over a ground target. They’ve listed several technical methods of doing this drop. I assert that the Cooper UNSUB was operating on a highly planned out operation and wasn’t dumb enough to jump blind, and particularly in that part of the world, with it’s very rough terrain. It’s fairly well established that the jet was doing at least 170 knots or just over 200 MPH, maybe even 225 MPH. With the pressure zone behind that jet added to the air speed, there’s no way that it would make sense to let the parachute tug him off of the rear stairs.
The bonus that I got from the documents, was the “BD” Cooper cutouts letter. Notice that I said “BD” and not DB! My colleague and I link several criminal cases with the documents at hand. Astounding and incredible as it may all seem, the 1947 Black Dahlia case, the Zodiac killer cases, the OCCK cases and the JonBenet Ramsey case, are just a few of the cases involved! I very recently revisited the the Cooper case because of a report about the clip-on tie particles which came via Bruce A Smith, and I’ve ended up finding far more pertinent information that I expected to find beyond the clip-on tie reports. BTW, JonBenet may have been strangled to death with “parachute” cord. Just last week I discovered that the implied word “delivery,” at the end of the 21st line on the first ransom note page, depicts the massive head blow that JonBenet received, which resulted in a patch of bone being driven into her head and a crack that went all the way around to above her eye socket. There was less that a teaspoon of blood found in her cranium upon autopsy. The letter i in “delivery” clearly shows a figurine of a small person’s profile. A study of all of the letter i’s speaks volumes. People wrongfully assume that the squiggly writing was an attempt to disguise the handwriting, a very careful and deliberate study shows otherwise.
“Some in this office (Seattle) think he’s (Christiansen) a good suspect. Others think there are better suspects…”
That’s from an email I received from Fred Gutt back in 2012. Or thereabouts. After I inquired with them whether or not Kenny had been eliminated as a suspect, as Larry Carr claimed after he read the 2007 Geoff Gray article. Food for thought.
Tell you the truth, when Bentz came forward I had my doubts. But then I checked out his story. You should just read the article: https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/the-real-reason-the-f-b-i-closed-the-d-b-cooper-case/
I’ve read the article Robert. I wouldn’t have commented on it if I hadn’t.
Bruce, I’ve been called “twisty butt” and a few other catty things, but I’m not a me too’er.
No room for that in Cooperland.
ParrotheadVol: Your comments are noted. We’re still including it in the movie. I insisted. That will force the truth about it into the open, one way or another. Same thing about Kenny and Bernie. If you guys have any further questions, you know where I am.
At least Bruce’s site here offers real discussion without all of the gross disrespect found by one particular bombastic name-caller at the Forum. Good on ya, Bruce.
That’s for sure. I love how they just assume Kenny can’t be Cooper…without knowing what we know. Wasn’t like we released EVERYTHING, lol. They are working on incomplete information and some of the things they claim just aren’t true. However…I think it would be impolite to harp on about Kenny here. A lot of issues regarding he and the alleged accomplice I handle privately via email or make a post at the new AB Forum. Not many members, that’s true. The only reason I set it up was for after the movie comes out. I imagine it will pick up some members after that time. And sometimes guest visitors email with questions, since my address is all over some posts there.
I think Bruce should just establish a posting for comments. Problem is…hardly any of the comments here except for the first few, have anything to do with the original article he published. I actually get a little embarrassed for making non-subject comments to it. It’s like taking advantage of his news site, sort of. And I have guilt feelings about doing that sometimes.
Thanks, Johnnie.
C’mon Robert, what do you expect? People, myself included, base their opinions on the known evidence. Sorry, but I just can’t take your word that you have some unrevealed bombshells that would change peoples mind. Kenny Christiansen as DB Cooper is an open and shut case.
1. Tina M spent hours with Cooper and put his height at much taller than hers. She and Kenny are the same height. Case closed, period.
2. Further, your case for Kenny requires that he got away with the money. The evidence at Tena Bar suggests that Cooper – whomever he was and whether or not he survived the jump – did not get away with the money. The plant theory which you are such a big proponent of has been shot all to hell. No way can any sane person suggest that money was planted.
So, I understand that you say you haven’t revealed everything and I understand that there may now be legalities that prevent you from releasing anything else. Hey, that’s cool. But, at the same time, don’t be so quick to question how everyone can dismiss Kenny based only on what’s out there. Because, unless your’e sitting on a missing parachute or a stack of Cooper 20’s, what’s out there is plenty enough to make a judgement on Mr. Christiansen.
Don’t forget that Tina told the Eugene Weekly in 2012 that she flew NWO flights to the Orient almost exclusively after the skyjacking. Hard to believe that she hadn’t crossed paths with KC in that scenario.
But then, is Tina telling the truth? Or was she coerced to say that – to shoot down the KC-is-Cooper possibilities?
Careful Bruce, don’t give Robert any new theories, lol.
Unrelated note, but I’m in a hotel in Mississippi all week and I’ve been binge watching your videos you’ve been doing. I think I have one left to watch. You going to be doing any more of those? I have thoroughly enjoyed them.
OK parrotheadvol, I think that there are some things about the Cooper caper that you have to bear firmly in mind. First of all, this guy had his ducks in a row, he appears to have anticipated everything about what to do and how to do it. Lots of little detailed steps he followed, calm, cool and collected. Go through the FBI FOIA files as I have done and filter out the suspect files and note the early files. Look at a map of the LeCenter area, it’s a perfect drop zone. It’s right near the Columbia river. Now the $5800 at Tena bar….it’s missing exactly $200, while the rest of the bills were neatly stacked up. Castle Rock is right on the same pathway. Draw a line between those three points…it works! When you realize that this was a very high-tech crime, you’ll also see from the FOIA files that the agents thought he might have used a small marker beacon or an ELT way of finding the ground target. They found sources for said same. There were also reports of a spurious ELT signal. Exactly $200 is missing from the stack………Here’s a hypothesis that I wrote a long time ago already: Cooper removed $6K from the loot and placed $200 in his pants pocket as a souvenir and insurance money….lest he be deemed a loose end later on. He puts $5800 in the outer overcoat, it then blows out and on to the stairs as he’s waiting to jump. He sees the very hot infrared lanterns in his specially treated sunglasses, he jumps, flies to the target while counting out 40-45 seconds and pulls the ripcord right over his target. He gathers up the infrared lanterns in the plowed field they’re in and puts them in the trunk or a pickup truck parked nearby. He heads south on I5. His co-conspirators/handlers get the bulk of the loot and it’s probably immediately destroyed. Had the money broken loose on an impact…there would have been bills all over the place. In those days, the CIA and then FBI were big rivals, the FBI got huge budget allocations, the CIA got a lot less. BTW, the BD Cooper taunting document, yes “BD” Cooper, found on page 85 of file 16 of 22, appears to show some cash in the fuzzy and suspiciously poor photocopy. There never was a D “B” Cooper, only a Dan Cooper on the ticket. The person sending in those taunting documents placed great emphasis on this fact, as well as several other assertions as in the “I knew” taunting letter. Despite the false attempts by the FBI brass, several of those taunting letters are related and they show that whomever wrote them, had inside crime scene knowledge, like the fact that a clip-on tie was left behind in an otherwise meticulously planned and executed crime. Then that same tie has oodles of highly specialized particles on it.
Now….. wasn’t that a lot more fun than reading Blevins go blah-blah-blah, over and over about his darling boy Kenny and his childish little “I know things that you don’t know” games? BTW, not only was Kenny too short, he was too skinny and too young. The FBI knew that they got beat, that’s the bottom line.
Terry, you’ve got a lot wrong:
“… Look at a map of the LeCenter area, it’s a perfect drop zone. It’s right near the Columbia river. Now the $5800 at Tena bar….it’s missing exactly $200, while the rest of the bills were neatly stacked up.”
– LaCenter is not “near” the Columbia River. It is many miles away.
– $5,800 was not discovered at T-Bar. The exact figure is not known at present, but the current tab for the TWO finds is estimated at $6,200+.
– the bundles of bills found in the first find were not neatly stacked up at all. They were a soggy mess, severely compacted, and were missing their edges. Each bundle was atop another, but askew. Exact angle of configuration is diagrammed at the CS website.
-The second money find was comprised of thousands of shards, some as big as 2-3 inches and found at a depth of 1-3 feet..
When you make obvious errors it is difficult to read the rest of your commentary.
Just sayin’.
I’m talking about the alignment of the flight path. The drop zone was placed at about 2 miles west of LeCenter, which is about 3 miles from the Columbia river. This drop zone is in the FBI files and comes from a report from NWA and a radar in Portland. Ariel is about 6 miles from LeCenter and in turn, 8 miles from the drop zone. I’ve been reading a figure of $5800 from several sources and that the rubber binders were still around them. yes, I’ve seen the pictures of the bills. I don’t buy that shards of other bills were found at a greater depth, that to me is an unsubstantiated claim, I’ve seen no proof of those shards. Yes, I saw the footage of the FBI digging, but they didn’t show these supposed shards. I’ve also read that Ingram finally won the right to the custody of the figure of $5800. Those type of drops from the back of 727’s were precision drops. The exact way that they were executed is written about in the FBI FOIA files. The rip cord is pulled at about 2000 feet or so. If you think that anyone is gonna let the parachute suddenly jerk them off of that back stairs at 200+ MPH, then you fail to understand basic physics, because that alone would probably prove to be fatal. That’s not how those drops were made…and that’s well documented. Infrared lanterns were already in use by 1953 and were classified information. Special particles that convert infrared to visible red light are part of that list of particles on that tie. When you buy into and write about this squidding(sp?) thing, that’s hard for me to read. It’s also hard to read all of the blather from Blevins. I don’t rely on what people tell me as much as I rely on the documents. Since no one actually has a chain of custody of these sources, then all of them are questionable. No Bruce, I’ve studied things as carefully as possible with what’s available to me and “I don’t have several things wrong.”
I’ve got one more video on the back burner: Q&A about DB Cooper: A commentary on the top ten questions I get asked about the skyjacking.
But, it’s on the back burner for now.
Where in Mississippi? I’ve got kinfolk in Waveland and Bay Saint Louis.
Grenada, Mississippi this week and next week, then on to Texas. Last week was in Natchez, Mississippi.
WTH is Grenada, MS? More to the point WTH are you doing in Grenada…Natchez…etc.
Grenada is roughly 100 miles north of Jackson. I work for a company that does industrial gauges that work off of radioactive sources. So anytime an industry buys our gauges, I get to travel to that company and commission the nukes. Go to Texas a lot, go to Iowa even more. Been to Canada several times. Haven’t made it out to Cooper country yet though. Utah is as close as I’ve been, which is McCoy country I guess, but just not as exciting as Cooper country would be.
I go to several different types of industries: paper mills, refineries, ethanol plants, fracking sites and mines. Went to a salt mine a few years ago that was 1800 feet underneath Lake Erie. I also go to some dredges as well. I’m actually scheduled to be on one in a few weeks. The last dredge I was on was the largest dredge in the US (I can’t recall the name). But I had an interesting conversation while there about some of the things that actually make it through the dredge. Long story short, based on that conversation that I had, I absolutely believe that the Tena Bar bundles could have made it through the dredge.
Parrotheadvol: You do interesting work for sure. Look…as far as the ‘official description’ on Cooper, people got a good look at the Green River Killer a few times. They had his description and a couple of sketches on wanted posters all over the Seattle area. Turned out he didn’t match the descriptions, although the sketches were pretty accurate. They even brought him (Gary Ridgway) into the Green River Task Force office to take a swab test, but this was before DNA. None of the cops who talked to him associated him with the very wanted poster that plastered their own walls. He was caught years later when DNA came along and they went back and tested from all the swabs they had collected in the 80’s. So who is say?
I am NOT Jo Weber. But I understand that based on the current ‘public’ evidence that KC would probably walk free in court. The key to the whole Kenny scenario really came together when Geestman’s family saw Uncle Bernie on Decoded. Some of them realized he was either lying, or trying to dodge the cast’s questions. Especially when some of them knew that KC and Bernie were missing and together the week of the hijacking. Then they started talking, not only among each other, but to Uncle Bernie as well. it just sort of snowballed from there.
I get one more interview with the niece. Shutter says how could she remember Kenny doing that in the shed when she was 13, just two weeks prior to the hijacking? Simple. Something that seemed like nothing suddenly made sense when she and her family watched the Decoded show. They don’t want money. They don’t want attention.
On the Tina Bar money, no one really knows yet how it got there. I still think it has something to do with the FBI getting around the Statute of Limitations in November 1976. That was all over the TV news and in the papers here when the FBI managed to do that. I think the hijacker saw that news too.
As far as ‘revelations’ for the movie, I just tell people: Wait for the movie. There’s nothing else I can tell them. Trust me, I do understand peoples’ doubts, and frankly, I don’t blame them a bit. What I mind is when people start bringing Gayla’s (not GAYNER) name into it, or start going personal on a website where I am not allowed to defend myself. The movie guys saw the same thing back when they were researching the whole thing. In a way, I should be grateful I guess.
They also told me that the overkill on the attacks got their curiosity going over WHY people would spend so much time and postings doing that. A lot of name calling was going on. Then they talk to me, we do a lot of Skype…and they see I’m nothing like what’s been presented over there.
Just saying. Frankly, I want out of the Cooper business. I have a few more duties to perform regarding the movie and then it’s exit stage left. I think anyone in my shoes would do the same thing. I know they’re going to do the movie and they probably won’t extend the option to a third year before starting production shooting. They wouldn’t have paid me another $2,500 if they weren’t serious. I’m not that important, and I’m not Stephen King. So I have to believe with so much now invested, (two option payments, 100 copies of Blast purchased) they must be serious. When the movie comes out, people can judge for themselves. Sometimes I wish I could tell people everything, but I just can’t. So I can’t blame them for being pissed, or calling me Jo Weber, or going on the attack. It’s going to happen.
Some non-Cooper bad news/good news: My 1988 Nissan finally died for good. Cracked head, bad intake manifold. Not worth fixing. Bad news.
Good news: I answered a Craigslist ad and beat everyone else to a 1997 Nissan D21 KingCab truck. It only has (unreal) 108,000 ORIGINAL MILES on it. Runs, looks, drives like brand new inside and out. Got it for $2,500. I’m still in shock. Came with a matching canopy, power steering, AC, original factory manuals in the plastic sleeve, and is the most beautiful stock D21 I’ve ever seen. Ad came out at noon today. People started calling, but the owner said (when I got there) that they were all at work, but he expected to sell it by six pm. I got there at four with the money. I checked it and test drove it and couldn’t believe it. Like showroom in and out, ran like a dream.
Definition of Fate. The movie company pays me X dollars, and what they really paid me was the truck. It’s turquoise green and really beautiful. Pictures at the AB Forum and Infamous Nissan dot com tomorrow. As a bonus, the wrecking yard offered me $250 to haul the old grey mare away. It goes tomorrow, after I take out my new battery and a few other things.
You shoulda bought a Toyota. Higher resale and run longer.
I’ve had Toyotas. I could sell that Nissan tomorrow for over four grand without breaking a sweat. It was the best deal on a truck I’ve ever seen. Owner was retired Navy, said he hardly ever drove it. It’s close to showroom condition with a lot of extras, including brand new tires and wheels. Nice four-speaker stereo tossed in. With only 108K original on it, I think it will run for a while. 🙂 Wait for the pictures. Will post some tomorrow.
I got a notice that Battcher says the shards weren’t shown in the video, and no one can see how far down they were digging? That’s not true. I have the video on my computer. Both of those things were clearly shown.
Well Blevins, you added the line about “nobody could see how far down they were digging.” That’s a misquote by you. Then link the video. Even if you did link such a video, which you won’t, it won’t prove much. It’s questionable whether the money was even found at Tena bar.
You have no proof that the money was actually found at Tena bar. It’s more like the money was found elsewhere…otherwise it would be like telling the public where you found glory hole. Link the video Blevins…I’m betting you won’t link it!
Come on, Terry. The video was at YouTube for a long time. The KATW Portland TV video. Everyone at the DB Cooper Forum has seen it. Then it was taken down. I made a hi-res version of it, I think I sent it to Shutter. He probably didn’t open the email, says he blocked me. That’s not MY fault. I will send a copy to Bruce. I can’t re-upload it to YouTube because I don’t own the rights and they might delete my YouTube account for doing it. Can’t email it…runs over 330 megs in my improved version. I will email it to Bruce using Google Drive. If you want a copy yourself, drop an email to adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail and I will Google Drive you one myself. The AB staff ran the video through some enhancement programs to improve the video and audio quality.
Correction: KATU Portland, not KATW. My apologies.
Blevins, I said “link” it, not upload it. I’ve looked at all of the video’s on the Cooper subject on YouTube. I saw the digging video…no shards shown. The FBI would love to prove that the Cooper UNSUB died in the jump…but they don’t have proof! I knew that you’d balk at linking anything. That money probably wasn’t even found at Tena/Tina bar.
Your above comments: “I saw the digging video…no shards shown,” may be in error. The video I saw clearly showed a 2-3 inch shard laying in the palm of Dorwin Schroeder, which comports exactly to what he told me.
Bruce; “May be in error”? Shards in someones hand, isn’t proof that they came from the large hole shown in the video. Furthermore, Carr made no comment regarding any shards when he made the “evidence found” video, in which he stated $5800 dollars. Going back to the jump: The UNSUB opened the stairs in a location near Castle Rock, he then clearly waited and then jumped. LeCenter is near the only oasis of large conjoined plowed fields in that area of the world. Had he pulled the ripcord on the stairs, the jets following that 727 probably would have seen that. They were above the cloud ceiling, not under it. The FBI files also show that they, the FBI, had traced down sources of highly portable marker beacon equipment and ELT equipment. Infrared lanterns would give him an exact ground target to aim for, assuming his goggle-type sunglasses had a special coating on them. This same technology was already in place in those days. If you found cash from the Cooper caper, would you tell others of the exact location? Maybe you would, but you know that plenty of other people would play that info very close to the vest! Ingram sued for that money and won, but I’d be willing to bet that it was a conditional settlement, if you get my meaning? BTW, the FBI files show reports of intermittent ELT signals the next day, short lived signals that then went immediately away.
Correction: (LOL people check everything I post and say) Former owner of the truck was IN the Navy, not RETIRED Navy. He is a retired car dealership owner who buys from the dealer auctions and resells. My apologies…again. 🙂 He was really nice to me and Gayla today.
When I am home I drive a 2012 Jeep Sahara. But it’s a gas hog so I have 2012 Nissan that I use for travel for my job. It’s pushing 200k, but it’s been very reliable. I’m hoping to get at least 300k out of it. Technically, I’m a Chevy guy, always have been. But I don’t currently own a Chevy.
Robert, I think you’re comparing apples to oranges with the Green River Killer description. Now I’ll admit that I’m not very familiar with the GRK. But, I’d be willing to bet that none of the descriptions they had came from anyone who spent 5 hours with him while knowing he was the GRK. If that had been the case, then I’d say that persons description would be pretty close. Tina was in a unique position and I don’t think you can lump her situation in with others who historically may not give the most accurate description.
Thanks for this thread, Bruce. It’s much friendlier than the poisonous Forum. More civil here. Jeep rules.
Mea gusto.
Terry, regarding the money find, I guess we are all entitled to both our opinions and which facts we wish to cherry-pick. Dorwin told me that he and his team found thousands of shards, and the KATU video shows him on the beach standing above a trench with a sizeable shard in his hand. I believe him. You don’t, exactly. I guess that’s where we stand.
As for Larry Carr, his knowledge of the case is piecemeal. At times he was surprisingly ignorant of the facts. At other times he was one-dimensional and slanted in his perspective. Larry, as case officer, always spoke with a degree of authority so nothing can be tossed away out of hand, but much has to be weighted by other facts and comments from others.
Bruce, I started out with gleaning the FBI files and was “cherry picking” strictly for taunting documents, like the Elvis letter and the like. I did discover that the FBI was most certainly comparing these documents to Zodiac killer documents, and IMHO, rightfully so. However, the FBI brass farted that off. I noted several documents that were from people disputing the composite drawing, but that didn’t cause the FBI to change the composite significantly. This pattern shows deception by the FBI brass. So, I started over and made several notes until my eyes actually hurt. I discovered many interesting things to explore, but I have to stay true to my priorities too. Because of the chronology and other disputes, the Tena bar money business isn’t going to settle easily. Certain forensic and scientific questions about those bills is what I need settled before I can say things with any degree of certainty about the money find. The evidence clearly shows that Tena bar is upstream of LeCenter, and the LeCenter drop zone has the best documentation, as does the discovery of the placard near Castle Rock. These and other facts cause me and others to be rightfully skeptical of the whole business of the money find. The money find is a left hand monkey-wrench in terms of evidence…and the guy that I like to refer to as Zodiac Jack… loved to throw in these sort of monkey-wrenches. Take the overall snide tone of the taunting documents. It’s PSYOPS, IMHO. And, in every single case we link, it’s like a psychological roller coaster ride. It doesn’t mess with my head, because I can see through it. So, I’m not “cherry picking” the money find to bolster my point of view, I’m displaying ALL of the reasons why I question ALL of it. It causes scenarios of conjecture. Who the UNSUB actually was, is of secondary importance to me. Obviously whomever it was, they beat the FBI in this instance. It’s “Who was likely behind it” that matters to me. Who had the motive and the means? That should be the focus.
The Ramsey case is also a very sophisticated crime. Who had the motive and the means? What was their actual goal? It’s pretty easy to discover who’s been behind the ongoing coverup, that was confirmed in Sept of 2016 with the plethora of lies called: The Case of JonBenet Ramsey, produced by team Clemente, Critical Content and aired by CBS. Done for rating? My ass! Everybody drones; “Who Killed JonBenet?” Like it’s an episode of the old TV show Burke’s Law. “Who was D(b) Cooper?” I’d rather shine the light on who was most likely behind these crimes, then those episode titles might be answered.
Fortunately for all of us, Zodiac Jack left “certain little clues”, which is a Zodiac killer quote.
Bruce, the FBI FOIA file page that I point to is found in file 11, page 4, it’s the perfect drop zone target area. It’s somewhat secluded too. File 14, pages 296/7/8 appear to me to be in Zodiac Jack’s hand. They’re heavily redacted and suspiciously so. In this same file is the Zodiac case reference, starting on page 354. You can see that the FBI brass has their “fingers in the pie” on this one, so to speak. In file 15, starting on page 132, is a “Dear Sir” letter which is very very heavily redacted, the envelope along with this “Dear Sir” lead in, triggers to me that it’s also from Zodiac Jack, but in cursive writing. Too much redaction on this set documents, way too much. Several telling signature items too. I’ll run this one by Nanette to see what she thinks about it. There’s really a lot of documents that I did “cherry pick” for my research. File 16, page 85 is f…ing loaded with information, it’s the “B”D Cooper document. The backwards facing letters p and r in Cooper is something that I’m very excited about. It has “not” modifiers, as does the Ramsey ransom note. BTW, quite awhile ago, I came to realize that little JonBenet’s remains were staged as a partial mimic of the infamous 1947 Black Dahlia victim, hence the “BD” Cooper hint coming full circle! The very peculiar $118K ransom demand figure in the Ramsey case, shadowed Ramsey’s bonus pay of $118,117.50, which is 50 cents SHORT of a figure of $118,118! Elizabeth SHORT was the Black Dahlia victim’s name. Her remains were found at: 34.0165N by 118.333W. 118.330W would have put her on Degnan Blvd, which is a very pertinent hint. Again, the backwards facing letter p’s and the letter r, are code breaking items, so are the “not” modifier hints, of that I’m very very certain. Sorry Bruce, but when you reported the business of the many highly specialized particles found on the clip-on tie, that I found on YouTube, you don’t even know how much you helped me out! Because of that little bit of info, I can’t keep the smile off of my face these days! It was the same way when my friend Bob Shilz discovered the fact that most of the letter d’s on the Ramsey RN were shaped like nooses. He rescued my overall well being. I was fixated on the Cartier’ watch hint on the upper right hand corner of the 2nd RN page at that point in time. The lead in FOIA Cooper files regarding “Seth Thomas” and Newsweek……..that’s next, and it’s LOADED with pertinence. Newsweek is a dirty rat dog publication, IMHO. They’re part of the whole Fake News/Deep State network that threatens this country these days. “Seth Thomas”=clock maker=time hint=the way evidence can be manipulated, Zulu time timing manipulation, etc, etc, etc. Thank you very very much James Comey!
The Tena/Tina bar area has a 1974 dredge layer about 18 inches down. Meaning it simply doesn’t jibe to find cash on the top layer. Now, If you can answer whether that area gets ice flows, then there might be a natural explanation, otherwise the whole story of that cash being found there doesn’t make much sense. Also, you claimed a figure of $6200, I saw a document saying $5880, or 294 $20 dollar bills.
I got to Agree with my uncle brucie in regards to his assessment of agent carr and the shards he has done more work on this case then anyone I consider him the top authority on everything norjack. There were defintely shards found the video was removed from youtube that’s why you can’t find it terry.
Gee, Nicky, thanks!
Here, here.
I think it can’t be found because it’s fabricated evidence. I do recall that or similar footage in which they claimed that the shards had no serial numbers. Also, how long after the Ingram’s found the money, did this digging begin? More than a year? More than two years?
Not only was it removed from Youtube, but it was removed just days before the History Channel show on Rackstraw in which the money find was pushed as a plant. Gotta question the timing on that one.
YES!!!
That’s a keen observation indeed too.
I haven’t seen RMB’s copy of the KATU video, but I assume it’s okay. Thanks, RMB, your gift is a community service.
Regarding the removal of the KATU: I suppose the kindest thing to say is that the Powers that Be, namely the corporate owners of KATU, only realized the existence of the video in the lead-up to the HC docu. But , at first I strongly suspected Tom Colbert had a hand in it because it disputes his early “money plant theory.”
But, now, I’m thinking that other players did the dirty deed. FBI, anyone?
It’s dodgy, that’s for sure. In the Ramsey case, the people responsible for the crime started out with several layers of false explanations, and as each layer dissolved, they’d start a new false narrative. Then they ran out of false explanations and resorted to the really really false one saying that her brother Burke did it and that the parents covered it up. Burke was cleared way back 20 year ago and right after the crime, in writing, and based on evidence. His sister suffered two strangulation events, she was still alive and clawing at her own neck during the first event. There was less than a teaspoon of blood found in her cranium. The massive head blow was to the back of her head and not the top as “liar for hire” Werner Spitz has claimed.
I used to believe the money was a plant. Anyone who hasn’t gone half-crazy trying to figure out the Tina Bar money…well, most people have, or anyone who has checked out the case. I came to the idea that it really WAS tossed into the river and probably inside something else. And…that it ended up dredged onto the beach I suppose. The only purpose that made sense, and sort of went along with the available evidence on the condition of the bills…maybe the 1976 action by the FBI. You have to believe Cooper saw that news. Everyone did. Cable was barely going in 1976 and there weren’t too many local channels. All over the newspapers too. I remember seeing the announcement on television.
I don’t really believe that Cooper jumped anywhere near Tina Bar, no matter what a couple of people have theorized. I just don’t think the flight was that far off. I said once that if they couldn’t keep track of a single airliner any closer than that, airliners would be crashing into each other all the time. The jets were following the flight. They had a few hours to prepare to TRACK the flight. I’m just not buying that it ended up six or eight miles off the flight path, no way.
And if Cooper actually did jump over Portland into the Columbia, this also presents a major problem. How could three bundles of the cash, (go ahead and laugh if you want) end up found miles downriver…and all together…with nothing else found? Might be because the cash originated somewhere close to Tina Bar. Like someone trying to throw off the FBI. I actually gave this a lot of thought.. I realized I was probably wrong on a purposeful plant. No one would do that because it might never be found. Bryan Ingram’s discovery was the purest of sheer chances. One in ten million.
The only reasons I could see for Cooper tossing money into the Columbia would be to make people think he was dead. Can’t just leave it in the woods. They would search the area, and finding nothing else, would know Cooper escaped. You toss into water and that creates doubt and problems hard to explain. Maybe he didn’t even know what the hell he was doing, or if it would even work. I have no idea. Maybe instead of just washing up a mile or two away, it sank and was eventually dredged to the spot it was found. And if it WAS an attempt at a red herring by Cooper, it certainly worked. Because it wasn’t long after they found the money that they started scaling back the search for him and started saying they thought he could be dead. Which is exactly what Cooper would have wanted.
But…it’s just a theory.
But why would the FBI want the video taken down? Their position is that Cooper probably died in the jump. The video shows that the money wasn’t planted so that can’t do anything but reinforce that line of thinking.
I can certainly see what Colbert would have wanted it gone, but does he have the clout to have it removed?
History channel perhaps?
I don’t know the answer here, but the timing of its removal was too coincidental. I don’t believe in coincidence, at least not in this instance.
Don’t underestimate Colbert. He got Tina before the camera, which is more than Bruce or Galen did.
Yes, don’t underestimate Tom Colbert. However, I doubt that he got Tina before the cameras. I believe, but can’t prove it, that the feds have some leverage with Tina, and I think they compelled her to appear – and also to give her wonky interview with the Eugene Weekly in 2012.
Why the FBI would want the KATU video suppressed is like reading tea leaves, but the general tone of the Bureau is to suppress inquiry by anyone digging too deep – like me, for instance. That said, the most plausible reason for taking the video down is to protect copyright and financial interests by the station and its masters. On that aspect, Colbert would have enormous collateral influence. He has been a major Hollywood player for 30 years.
Lastly, Gypsy – tsk, tsk – don’t be snarky. Remember, I was the only journalist to interview Tina during her 30 year silence. Only five words, true, but still….
We all know that, Bruce. I’m going to go out on a limb and bet that Tina was in witness protection the entire time.
Well, the video I saw didn’t show any shards in the hole or in anyone’s hand, as I recall.(?) Plus it tripped my BS detector, because why wasn’t Carr or any of these so-called agents parading around the shards find? Was the video pulled down because it was a fabrication? Maybe someone got a little too over zealous and stretched the truth? Also, it seems to me that it couldn’t be proven that shards were from the Cooper loot? Also, I thought that I read that the Citizen Sleuths were saying something about the soil involved not matching the Tena bar soil? Think about it, I dare say that most people that would find part of that loot, they’d be hesitant to reveal exactly where they found it. It seems to me that I read that some of the bills fetched some pretty big money on ebay? I don’t like to infer or call Ingrams a liar…but reality dictates that one questions this whole business.
Oh, for crissakes, Terry. I give you an authoritative source and you still doubt it? Dorwin Schreuder was the PIO at the dig. I’ve spoken several times with him, and I believe he is one of the most honorable men in the FBI.
Have you read my book, yet? I give plenty of details about the dig and the shards.
Well for crissakes, Bruce, I’m getting mixed signals from you with what you’ve been posting about this stuff. You “believe” that he’s honorable, well, good for you! You claim the money find was more like $6200…where’s your document source for that claim? Carr said $5800, yes verbally he was sketchy and yes, he thinks Cooper tumbled out of the 727. Well, McCoy didn’t “tumble out the back of one! I’ve seen the figure of $5800 for several years now, complete with nice supple rubber binders and all! Bills with holes in them, half rotted, but good rubber binders in place…..really…..I say BS!
Gypsy 23 says: “Don’t underestimate Colbert. He got Tina before the camera, which is more than Bruce or Galen did…”
I’ve worked with History Channel. No matter what Colbert might claim, it was almost certainly History Channel or TV production company researchers who convinced Tina to appear on the show. Not Colbert directly. Or, maybe an active FBI agent or two, along with the researchers talked her into it. They would have offered her an absolute minimum of $2,500 for her appearance, and it was probably a lot more.
Here, this guy shows that the money was above a 1974 dredge layer. Rather than give a probably corrupted link, DB Cooper TTLOL 5: The Cooper Paradox Matrix, is the title on YouTube. The amount was $5880, or 294ea $20 dollar bills. Shards anyone?
Allison Berg, the AD for LMNO – the production company that created the docu for HC – told me that Tina appeared on the HC docu because she asked her to. First, Allison said that she sent Tina a letter and fully explained the purpose and nature of the docu, and described how Tina could make a significant contribution.
Basically, Allison said that Tina appeared because she asked her “nicely.”
It was not about the money, Robert. Come on…..Catholic nun. She was persuaded on other grounds that only God could understand. Well, maybe Bruce too.
Terry, I’m not going to re-write my book here. The total money sources have been reported widely – you just have to look at current commentaries. Remember, Larry Carr left the case about ten years ago. Most of the new bills have been uncovered by the auction house hired by Brian Ingram to sell his pieces.
Clearly, you have a hard agenda. I leave you to it.
$5880 was the amount reported way back when. Carr was dodgy. My agenda is to sort things out based on as many solid facts as I can find.
Terry: I have offered to send you the enhanced video version of the KATU TV news report. Two part report. I can send it to you Google Drive. It’s far too big a file to email. Over 300 megs. adventurebooksofseattle AT G Mail.
Robert would you mind sending that over to me as well nbnickyb233@gmail.com
Thanks a Mil,
Nicky
You have to join the AB Forum to get it…
Just kidding. Yes, I will send it out right away. 🙂
Wait a minute. Nicky B? When I pasted in your email address I realized who you were. Are you kidding me? I won’t talk badly about you here, but I wouldn’t give you the time of day. You know exactly why. Get a copy from Bruce Smith. I will give it to you for nerve, I’ll say that.
Since we are on the the topic of things being strangely removed from the interwebs. My suspect James Edward Klansnic had two versions of is obituary up online. One version being the same one that was publised in the seattle times and included one picture, is still online but there was another version which had several pictures and had a lot more details/commentary in it. The most intriguing thing from that version of the obituary that was removed was a statement that klansnic made about the time he was shot down in ww2, he made it a point to go out of his way and say that was his one and only parachute ride. This version has been online for over a year since I started investigating klansnic back in late.16, I noticed the page was removed about a month or so ago right around the time my investigation on klansnic really started to heat up and I started talking to klasnics nephew as well. kawinkydink? I think not…
Lol, Robert can we forgive and forget here…no hard feelings bud. I was banned last year from the db cooper forum by shutter. In a show of good faith and in an effort to get back in shutts good graces so he would remove my ban, I reported your website but unfortunately that was not enough for old shutter as he still has me on perma ban. All is fair in love and cooper right?
Nicky, you’ve joined the growing list of Shutter rejects here at Bruce’s Forum. We are now in this love together. LOL…….
Not exactly. And you didn’t need to send me that message saying that not only were YOU the one who caused the AB Forum (that version of it) to get shut down…but the OTHER email where you tell me you’re also going after the main AB of Seattle website, as well as trying to convince producers to stop the Cooper picture. That was totally unnecessary. Now you’re trying to convince everyone on your suspect? You’ve already misrepresented yourself once, made threats against people you didn’t even know, and put a forum that accepted you graciously to be closed for no reason. One closed thread for members. Only THREE members. YOU, ME, (as Admin) and ME, (as xoxscifiguy, my civilian id there) No one could see that thread except the two of us. If you would sell me out…who is next? You can get the video easily enough from Bruce. Not like it belongs to me personally.
I did you a favor robert like you said it had no members lol. As far as contacting your producers, well hey I believe I have a 1000X better suspect then Kenny and I thought your producers might like to hear about him, I did not have to convince them of anything but it sounded like they had serious reservations about kenny being db after we spoke and they asked me to put a presentation/pitch together on klansnic which I am currently working on and should have over to them by end of April. You ask who is next to sell you out? I would contact your so called producers and I’ll get the video from bruce thanks robert!
After going though all of the FBI files as I have done, you’ll then know that Kenny Christiansen never was a valid suspect in the first place. Yes, Kenny somewhat resembles the composite, but the composite is NOT valid. Not only that, the UNSUB was older and heavier than the FBI would have everyone believe. But hat just doesn’t deter Blevins.
The so-called shards supposedly dug up from below the 1974 dredge layer at Tena/Tina bar, comes a little late in the game, and because of all of the other steps by the FBI to muddle the evidence, their credibility is not good in the Cooper caper, to say the least. Simply put, the $5880 money find just doesn’t readily jibe at that location, that’s what the evidence clearly shows.
BTW, I studied the anthrax/Amerithrax case in detail back in 2012. The FBI under Robert Mueller never had ANY good evidence that either Dr Hatfil or Dr Ivins were involved. The FBI systematically and very unfairly hounded both of those people. To shut down that case based on Ivins’ alleged suicide, is pure deception. We show direct document linkage between the anthrax case documents and the Ramsey ransom note, believe it or not. Unfortunately much of this is lost on people that have a romantic view of the DB Cooper UNSUB being some kind of a folk hero.
Well, don’t do me any more favors please. As Bruce Willis once said in ‘Die Hard 2:’
“I got enough friends…”
I’m not worried about being ‘sold out’ by the people we’re working with now. Everyone is on the same page. I’m not even angry with you anymore. But I’m not doing you any favors either. I only work with people I can trust, and as Kurt Russell said in ‘The Thing’:
“Trust is a hard thing to come by these days…” 🙂
I only have one opinion on this whole thing. You went after someone under false pretenses, bragged about it later in emails, and then made additional threats that were completely unnecessary.
All to possibly be re-admitted to a website that banned you anyway. And you didn’t even get your thirty pieces of silver. I told Shutter once that I wouldn’t participate in his site even if he sent me a gold-edged invitation. No way. Not to say they don’t have good stuff over there about the Cooper case. They do. But some of that is tainted by the backbiting and attacks that go back and forth, some of them directed at people who can’t even defend themselves. I want no part of it, and I certainly wouldn’t make a deal to play BS on someone else just to get in there. Not a chance. 🙂
How does one join your AB Forum, Robert? I looked and tried, but a no go. Anyway, I’m thinking that Bruce’s thread here offers much more interesting dialogue than Shutter’s site……so I’m sticking around for awhile.
Well…it’s hardly worth the bother to join the AB Forum anyway. Only four members. There is good background content over at the Cooper Forum, that’s a given, but *some* people find the place a little one-sided. The specially-created ‘Suspects’ page, for example, which is just a spot that slams on Kenny using distorted and outdated information. It’s a little slanted over there, if you get my meaning. They (Shutter and Georger mostly) watch the AB Forum like hawks circling their prey, looking for the slightest hint I might discuss them, or defend myself against their unwarranted attacks…to which I can’t respond in person.
Hell, that’s the main reason I got the movie deal in the first place. They went so overboard, with literally hundreds (at least) of negative comments about me, Gayla, even my frickin’ cat Hobo…that the producers started wondering why they would bother to do all that. It was overkill, they said. Shutter filed complaints with the host we used and we were shut down not once, but twice, simply for defending ourselves against their attacks. Then he tells his members one day, “No more talking about RMB here,” and the next day he’s jumping on the bandwagon himself. I called him the supreme definition of a phony. The last time he shut us down he did it by having his buddy Nicky B join under false pretenses just to get a look at a closed thread that no one was seeing anyway except me. It was laughable, and just makes him look bad with certain people out there. I finally decided to put the kabosh on all that junk by not speaking about his site or their unfair postings anymore. (Except sometimes on Facebook, Twitter, or the like…since he can’t do much about that.
Hanging out at Bruce’s place is okay with me except for a couple of minor points. First, I think Bruce should establish a separate article for these things, such as ‘Discussions on the Cooper Case,’ or something so that we’re not adding comments to an actual news article he wrote. Doesn’t seem fair to Bruce to do that. I have a couple of WordPress sites going, but all comments are approval-only, same thing with my YouTube channel. I do this because if I didn’t, the hatemongers would jump out of the woodwork on me.
The other thing is that a forum is useful because it has more options. You can post pictures, videos, etc. To be fair, I won’t post up the direct link to the AB Forum, but you can find it at the main Adventure Books of Seattle website if you look.
Marty Joined after hours am yesterday to discuss te latest on the cooper case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9ObPt2tLs
Marty’s a nice guy. I never held it against him that he turned down the movie company’s offer. Since no one except registered members can see any links, most pictures, and any profiles at the DB Cooper Forum, it took me a while to find him. He told me he had a problem previously with some media company and didn’t want to participate in the movie. I thought that was an honest and understandable answer, so I thanked him for his answer. He doesn’t think KC was the hijacker either, but I don’t hold that against people either. KC and Geestman can polarize people for sure. Either they think they were the perps for sure, or they totally reject that scenario.
I figure it this way: The upcoming film will certainly drive the truth on those two from the woodwork, one way or another. And the truth is all I’ve been interested in about them from the very beginning. People said we just wanted to ‘make money’ on the case. That’s not true. I turned down $2,500 from my appearance on Decoded, another $1,000 for my appearance on the Comcast Sports Net show ‘Adrenaline Hunter with Bethy Rossos’, and rejected five figures from CBS Films for the rights to the KC story, because they admitted they were going to take ‘serious liberties’ with the facts. The heck with that stuff. I value truth above money any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. I’m not THAT hard up, LOL.
The real reason why Hollywood is rejecting a DB Cooper film is because the evidence for any suspect is too thin. The crime itself is well established. The who, what, how as it relates to the aftermath are unknown. Viewers and producers want an ending. So far, none exists.
OK kids, here’s where I first saw the term “DbCooperDecoded”: ‘New DB Cooper Letter Reveals Intriguing Insights’ is the title on YouTube and posted by DbCooperDecoded. Where he got his ideas from, I don’t know, but he did a pretty darn good job on the thing. He’s correct in pointing out the meaning of some of the pages and what he says about the clip-on tie. Nanette took it even further, and her and I basically agree, I also have points that I can add to her observations, but I’ve been too busy with other tasks, to do so. There are a few of the Playboy pages pointed to by the cutouts that I’m still not sure of what the implied meanings are. So it seems that the term DbCooperDecoded has been hijacked by people like Blevins. I first saw this video back in January of 2015, and started my own thread on Nanette’s message board. ‘ The DB Cooper caper and Zodiac Jack linked? ….Absolutely, say’s the sum of the evidence!’ is the title of the thread that I started back in January 2015. While all of the separate pages that the cutouts came from are important, the letter B in DB Cooper came from the page titled ‘Everything you always wanted to know about television’, which relates to the Tektronix hint via the clip-on tie. Some of the pages imply a deeper meanings, and some are still a puzzles that I need to explore. The most important point this fellow makes in this video, is that it shows that whomever wrote the document, had inside crime scene knowledge. He also asserts, and I think rightfully so, that this same person that composed the thing, was the Dan Cooper UNSUB. All of these taunting documents taken together, do tell a story, of that I am very very certain. Nanette was ahead of me in asserting that she thinks that Jack made the jump himself. After gleaning the FBI FOIA files, I’d say the chances are very very good that she’s correct on that assertion. The composite done by a stewardess that Bruce has in his book, does somewhat resemble Jack Tarrance, and so does the general description.
Gotta do lots better than that, Terry. About 500,000 men in dark suits and briefcases from 1971 resemble Coop. And the feds looked at 1100 of them. Roll out the EVIDENCE, or get back at the end of the line, please.
Last thing first. Tarrance is as good of a suspect as any and better than most, since he fully resembled the description and the composite that Bruce has in his book. As far as the Playboy pages that the cutouts came from, they’re posted on my thread by Nanette. Go look at that video on YouTube. Go read the Cooper FOIA files, several people that actually saw the UNSUB lobbied FBI agents saying the composite wasn’t accurate. So, the “Feds” as you call them, wasted time and money and they never came up with anyone, did they!? (ret) Otherwise, I’m not obligated to please you. You can take the info I provide and like it or lump it. Furthermore, the evidence in those file indicates a LeCenter area jump zone. Despite that very sensible location, they chose to focus their search out in the wilderness area’s further east and north. It’s you “Ted”, that needs to do better!
Oh, and Ted, the FBI apparently were convinced that the Cooper UNSUB used modern equipment to locate his ground target, Look in file 12, page 168, ….or lump it! I’ve tested the “blind jump” idea on several smart people, and they burst out laughing!
The files also show that he open the stairs, but then jumped some time later over the LeCenter area, as a “pressure bump” was noted at that point in time.
What do you wanna talk about? Perhaps whether you like a Jeep or prefer a Chevy, or a Ford F100, or some other “off topic” subject, Mr Snide ?
Ever since the Brad Meltzer’s Decoded episode on D.B. Cooper first aired in January 2011, the phrase ‘decoded’ has occasionally been associated with the case.
Terry Batcher’s approach to the case, searching for clues in things that have no real relationship to each other, is a lot like a certain scene from the movie ‘A Beautiful Mind,’ although on a much lower, and less intense level.
Dealing with REAL people, hard evidence, actual witness testimony, human personalities, as well as certain realities, (that it’s extremely unlikely the Cooper and Zodiac cases are somehow related) is difficult for him. That is a personal opinion, of course.
When New York PI Skipp Porteous first spoke to me regarding Christiansen, and sent me his partial manuscript and the files he had collected up to that point, I read everything. But on the manuscript I told him this: “What you need, and what you don’t HAVE…are interviews with the people Christiansen knew best.”
And that’s how I got roped into this whole thing, since I lived just a few miles from where this Christiansen fellow lived. This is what Terry needs to do, which is to STOP doing a John Nash on the case and START talking to the people who were closest to his suspect.
I never thought Larry Carr, the FBI agent who handled the Cooper case for a while, did a good job. For example, his famous ‘dismissal’ of KC as a suspect in the case was based on a single article in New York Magazine, the one by Geoffrey Gray. But he did say ONE thing that made sense:
“Someone out there knows something…” And I think he was right.
Page 354 of FBI FOIA DB Cooper file 14 shows that the FBI was comparing the Zodiac killer documents to the taunting Cooper documents. Blah, blah, blah, Blevins. Or should I say yada, yada , yada?
Blevins, I’ll say it again…you aren’t even a good liar. You ignore several items of evidence that prove that Kenny wasn’t the UNSUB. You sir, are a shameless LIAR. You should stick with writing FICTION. Oh, my bad, apparently that’s all you do write.
Jeep. Lol. Nanette has done some good work, but she is not a seasoned pro. If this case was so easy per a singular suspect, it would have been solved long ago, Terry.
You mean like the Cooper caper that was solved “long ago”?
“Blevins, I’ll say it again…you aren’t even a good liar. You ignore several items of evidence that prove that Kenny wasn’t the UNSUB. You sir, are a shameless LIAR. You should stick with writing FICTION. Oh, my bad, apparently that’s all you do write…”
Well, if I were a liar, it would be pretty easy to prove. A YouTube video with 65,000 views (to date) where I lay out all the evidence available (at that time) and name names, dates, even locations of interviewed witnesses. It would be easy to check. Or…making that 54-page report, the one we sent to the Seattle FBI in 2015…freely available to the public via PDF download, and without redaction. Haven’t seen a single accusation on anything specific in either of those things where someone said I lied. Mistaken perhaps, or even wrong. But no one has taken even a single thing from those releases and just said I lied about it.
Besides, don’t you think that sending a false report to the Seattle FBI would be kind of stupid on my part? What if they bothered to spend the money and effort to actually go out and research the report, and found out certain people I named didn’t even exist? Or that I never spoke to them? Or that these people all claimed I never contacted them? Do you know what would happen because of that?
They would be at my door doing this: BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
“Mr. Blevins, open up. We have a warrant for your arrest…”
Nah. I don’t need that kind of trouble, Terry.
Blevins, anything that you try to convey is cancelled out by the fact that you continue to push the “Kenny did it” crapola.
As the saying goes, whaddaya want from me? We did an investigation. That investigation led us to Kenny and Bernie’s doors, respectively. Now they want to do the movie. It’s a polarizing thing for people. I get these emails all the time about it, and none of them are ‘maybes’. Either people are convinced we’re right (despite the efforts of some folks, often anonymously, who unfairly snipe at us) or they think we’re wrong. I’ve actually become used to these things. In a way, I can understand why it’s like that.
Over at the AB Forum, which is being closed to guests very soon, there’s only one post about Kenny. I don’t really ‘push’ him as a suspect on the internet anymore. I’ve come to the point of just letting the film speak for itself. I tell people sometimes: “One thing it will do is to drive the truth about those two out of the woodwork…”
I still think that is true.
Actually Robert, you are somewhat mistaken. Your investigation did not really lead you to Kenny and Bernies’ door. You were already convinced that Kenny was the hijacker before you ever spoke to any of the “witnesses”. You started your investigation with a preconceived notion that Kenny was the guy. That’s a fatal flaw in any investigation. You follow the evidence and then come to a conclusion. You, on the other hand, started with the conclusion.
Logic 101.
That is NOT correct. In fact, when I first met Bernie Geestman I did not consider him a suspect. Not until he started pointing to his own ex-wife as a possible accomplice. And…after I interviewed his sister Dawn Androsko. Then I started to wonder. The initial evidence against Kenny was not discovered by me, but others. You guys at the Cooper Forum have short memories.
Kenny was first forwarded as a suspect in October 2007 by Geoff Gray, in his New York Magazine article. He also goes heavily into Kenny in his book. The article itself made people wonder enough, and even the FBI made some comments about it. I didn’t even enter the investigation until January 2009, fifteen months after the Gray article emerged. Yes, I had a feeling from the start that Kenny could be Cooper. So did Gray, so did Skipp Porteous, both of whom had worked the case for more than a year before I even heard of Christiansen.
The initial evidence against Christiansen was actually discovered mostly by Gray, and to an extent, Skipp Porteous, not me. If you think they were wrong, you should be emailing Gray, since he’s the one who started the whole thing.
What I did was to take it further, and I found out a lot more than those two did put together. And after the Decoded show aired in January 2011, and Geestman’s family started contacting me, it only snowballed from there. I can be pretty dogged when I get my teeth into something, and then people start lying. It pisses me off, and then I’m going to take my time and find out the truth.
Look, there isn’t any use in us going on about KC and Geestman here. There’s a lot you don’t know that was uncovered between June 2016 and today. And because of the movie deal, and the confidentiality agreement that went along with that, a lot of it I can’t discuss. And that puts you and your negative friends at the Cooper forum at a disadvantage. Because you don’t know what WE know. But that isn’t fair, either…because I can’t discuss those things. Why don’t we all just wait for the movie and pass judgement on these two men after that time. It’s the only fair way. Or haven’t you noticed that over at the AB Forum, there are only a couple of comments about KC and I don’t feed into them very much. Also…I no longer have a Suspects list where I lay out the evidence or lack of it, for each suspect. The reason is…it wouldn’t be fair. I think we should discuss something else.
parrotheadvol Exactly, logic 101. I for instance, am not currently promoting Jack Tarrance as the Cooper UNSUB, I’m only showing what I’ve found and how it fits. However, in the Ramsey case I am very convinced that he penned the ransom note. I would have preferred to partition this stance, except that before me are several signature items that lead me right to him specifically, and these items are then coupled together hence: 1) The ransom note (BTW, it never was a ransom note) has 23ea primary JT initial hints, along with many more secondary hints of the letter combo JT 2) His mother’s middle name was Flova. The 340 cipher has FLOV adjacent letter hints in the first three quadrants and FLO in the fourth quadrant. The Ramsey RN has the restructured word “FolLaW (sic)”. Black Dahlia has “FoLLoW(sic) (actually this is a somewhat inaccurate example made here) The Cooper Reno Hospitality envelope has both JT’s and an Flov structural hints. 3) His historical handwriting sample has the perfect letter R, that’s identical to the R in “Ramsey” on the RN. 4) Nanette has matched his handwriting and has also demonstrates this by an elegantly simple overlay comparison. His lower case letter q, as found in the word “adequate” on the RN, is very unique. 5) Historically he has manipulated certain letters of the alphabet in very certain ways, while leaving other certain letters untouched and consistent. 6) He also demonstrated the use of a very certain and specific list of keywords. 7) The letter P’s both normal and backwards facing, he has used as a key pointers to code breaking. These same P’s are standouts items, which you can really see are dominant on many documents. Additionally, there are too many more things to list here, but I’ll post one of several message that he added into the structure of the RN. This message is found between lines 7 and 11 (no doubt yet another one of several gambling hints) on the second RN page: “The [Zodiac] not Speaking”, his Zodiac cross hairs symbol was apparently formed by the deliberate intersection of the words “watching” over “like”. This is written from right to left (as in Hebrew text) and at a downward angle. There are BTW no less than 17ea Jew hints on the ransom note, in six different forms.
Because of the large number of signature items in both the RN and crime scene, I had a hard time believing that someone other than Jack carried out the crime, but I do see evidence that shows that his “instructions” were “followed to the letter.” BTW, several “jack” hints are found in ALL of the crimes that we link. This work is 7 years in the making and I’m not doing it for glory, I’m doing it out of a sense of duty! I hate it, I’d rather be doing other things with my life, I really would…but that’s who I am and how I’m wired, so to speak. My training and forte’ is electronics, and troubleshooting, and yes logic 101 always, as well as first things first. It matters more to me to get a good idea on who rigged these crimes, than it does to know who carried them out. I’m learning that Tarrance is a good suspect for the actual Cooper UNSUB, and it turns out, he’s as good as any and better than most! I doubted Nanette on this point, and now I’m eating humble pie on this same point. I’ve already apologized to her and explained why playing “catch up ball”.
Hell, I really meant to leave a short message this time, I really and truly did. I never BS anyone, and if I screw up I’ll admit it.
Add On: I just got word that the same folks who interviewed Marty A last week want me for an interview next week. I told them why not. I will do this, but truthfully I can’t wait to go on vacation. That comes not this weekend, but over the March 17 weekend. Finally.
Look…can we NOT discuss KC and Geestman? I know virtually everyone at the Cooper Forum wrote off those two long ago. And since I can’t tell you everything we know about them now, there’s nothing to be gained by it. Everything, all the files, all the interviews, pictures, information…that’s all in the hands of the production companies now. All I have to do is review the script and make suggestions. Then my part in this whole Cooper thing is over anyway. I’m not ‘pushing’ Kenny as a suspect. Why should I? The movie will do that in spades, and I couldn’t stop it now even if I wanted to. And I don’t want to. We should talk about other things.
I said nothing about Bernie. I also fully understand that you were not the first person to push Kenny as a suspect. But, what I did say, and what is a fact, is that you entered into your investigation on Kenny having already decided that he was the hijacker. That was before you ever interviewed a single person.
As far as waiting for the movie, why? The movie is not based on known facts. It is based on conjecture and assumptions. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll watch the movie. I love a good comedy.
Oh, I don’t care what anyone at the Cooper Forum thinks about the picture, or anything else much for that matter. Why should I? As far as ‘deciding Kenny was the hijacker before I interviewed a single person’ that’s not true. I’m pretty sure my first post to Dropzone was the one linked below, and all interviews were complete that went into the initial version of the book. It was already at Amazon by that time. Later, I got a seventh, and final interview with Margie Geestman when they were filming Decoded. And also later, I corrected some things, added other things for the second, and final edition that came out in December 2010. Even then, I don’t tell people in either book that I’m 100% sure he was the hijacker. I can quote that section if you wish.
Looking back at Dropzone today, I see some folks at the Cooper Forum were discussing me AND Christiansen for months prior to my first post there. Some supporters, mainly Orange1, and Amazon, among others. Some detractors as well. That’s the way it’s always been though. It bothers me not a bit.
This is the Way Things Are: We’re pretty darn sure now that we hit the nail on the head regarding KC and Geestman. But until Geestman’s family came forward, I did still have some doubts. Not much, but SOME. Today I have very little doubt we’re right. But one thing I’m sure of is that the movie will serve to drive out the truth one way or another. I don’t think there’s any way around that.
So…if you and your friends at the Cooper Forum are right about Kenny, you have nothing to worry about. Your side will prevail. So why worry? I’m not worried. 🙂
Fairly sure this was my first post at Dropzone, done August 1, 2010: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3917316#3917316
BLEVINS: ” As far as ‘deciding Kenny was the hijacker before I interviewed a single person’ that’s not true”.
Ok. As long as we are posting links, please allow me to post one. This is from Sherlock investigations. Look at the comments that follow. The last one is from….you. In this comment you say that Sherlock Investigations “Hit it on the head”. So don’t say that you did not go into your Kenny investigation having already decided he was the guy. You then tell Porteous to let you know if he would like to write a book, even though you have said again and again that Porteous reached out to you about a book.
http://blog.sherlockinvestigations.com/2007/11/db-cooper-new-york-magazine.html
Well, that was a long time ago. Skipp and I went back and forth for a while before deciding what to do. And sure…I offered to PUBLISH a book…written by HIM. That’s part of my job, Parrot. To recruit new writers, and after reading the Gray article it sounded like a good idea for a book.
However, I never thought in my wildest dreams I would be asked to actually hit the bricks and investigate Christiansen. That came later. I also said in that comment that it would be interesting to see Kenny’s bank records. Which were obtained later, at least the money he died with.
Why are we still discussing KC here? I didn’t think this thread, this article by Bruce was supposed to get into specific suspects. Everyone is wasting everyone else’s time. What do you want from me? My job is basically OVER regarding the Cooper case.
There is the ninety-minute video at YouTube. There is the 54-page report available for free download at the main AB site. I can’t tell you anything else even if I wanted to. Don’t you think we should get off the Kenny Channel now? If I had anything new to say about the case against KC and Geestman, I would have already done it at the AB Forum. I turned everything over to other people and now they can deal with it. When they finally do some announcement, then you guys can contact them and try to convince them they’re making a mistake naming Kenny and Bernie as the perps. Truthfully, I just don’t give a darn what you or anyone else who hangs at the Cooper Forum thinks about anything I do. Are you kidding me? 🙂 One of the main reasons (but not the ONLY reason) you guys got bypassed and they came to me was because all they saw over their during their research phase was one nasty post after another, many with my name attached to them. Now some of you over there can’t believe what happened. Well…doggone it…it’s all your own darn fault, not mine. They were checking you guys out long before they even knew who I was. It was all that negative attention you all invested yourselves in that actually got them wondering about me. I guess I should say thanks. So, okay…thanks.
Heck, I’ve already moved on to other things. This coming weekend we do camera and sound sync testing for the Homeless In Seattle movie, something I care about a heck of a lot more than frickin’ DB Cooper, I assure you. I even get to direct the picture, and acquired the rights to use two songs by Dusty Springfield in the film. That’s something I’m excited about. Cooper? Pfft…either Kenny was the guy, or he wasn’t. It will come out one way or another. I can’t stop that, and I can’t tell you anything else.
C’mon Robert. You ask why are we still discussing Kenny?? You keep pushing Kenny. Here, on youtube, on your on again off again forum, the movie, etc. Then you act surprised, and bothered, because people discuss Kenny and you? Serously, you can’t expect your name to not come up on a forum dedicated to discussing DB Cooper. You always want to throw Kenny out there, and talk about him, until someone challenges you. Then it turns into “Why are we talking about Kenny?”.
As far as the movie goes, no one at the Cooper forum was bypassed. They wanted to make a movie about Kenny, and since you own the rights to that story (going out on a limb here and taking your word for that), they had to come to you. If they just wanted to do a movie about Cooper in general, they would not have went to anyone at the Cooper forum or to you. Do you think for one second that when the movie “Zodiac” was made that they involved one of the many forums on that crime? No, they didn’t. Wonder what those assholes did to get bypassed?
As far as the homeless movie goes, good for you. Although if I were doing a project like that I would pick some better music. I don’t think Dusty Springfield really fits. But I guess if anyone can make “Jessie’s Girl” work in a movie about the homeless, it would be you.
I don’t post up about Kenny. Haven’t in a while now. One comment made at the AB Forum, that’s it. The homepage at Adventure Books has the DB Cooper Info Page. Everything is there. I haven’t posted to the Cooper Forum since almost the week it opened, and that was years ago. You guys still discuss me endlessly, and mostly impolitely. There is the WordPress blog, yes. But you don’t have to read it.
The truth is…it’s all you folks at the Cooper Forum who do all the talk about Kenny, not me. I take interview requests maybe twice a year. It’s not like I’m going door to door with leaflets saying Kenny Did It, you know. There is the YouTube video, but plenty of Cooper Sleuths have those. And that was done back in 2015 with none since.
I’m glad you reviewed the entire Dusty Springfield catalog and decided her music wasn’t good for our picture. As far as your Zodiac comparison to the present film, there is a big difference. Not only were members of the Cooper Forum being considered for inclusion, I was asked personally to approach Shutter, Bruce, and Marty A about it. Two of them were to receive a fair amount of money for a relatively easy job. Everything I proposed was rejected. The email(s) from Shutter were just plain not-nice. Marty was very polite. Bruce just said no for his own reasons. I have accepted all of this and moved on.
Jessie’s Girl was done by RICK Springfield, by the way. Dusty is from England, and as the Beatles once said, she’s a woman. Here’s one of her early efforts, but not one we’re using. I trimmed it from a bigger video because I liked it, and because a lot of people thought she was from America, due to her album ‘Dusty in Memphis’, and ‘Son of a Preacher Man’. Frankly, I used to think she was from the USA as well.
Lol, just to be clear, I’m well aware of who Dusty Springfield is and even more aware of who Rick is. That was an attempt at humor and a pretty damn good one I thought.
Okay, it was an attempt at humor. I didn’t get the joke, but fine. The bottom line on KC is simple. The Cooper Forum goes to great lengths to create a page, make endless comments about him, about me personally, it never ends. But no really cares anymore except the same few people, the same few users, many of whom go all the way back ten years to Dropzone with the same old stuff. One thing in my Dropzone search today I thought was funny was G’s post the first time he ever heard of me, even BEFORE I joined Dropzone. Insults with my name included, what else? 🙂
It’s no big deal. It’s what he does.
A couple of things I have to do and then I am out of the Cooper Vortex, or whatever you want to call it. We’re already looking at homes in Arizona via Zillow.
I just saw this:
“As far as the movie goes, no one at the Cooper forum was bypassed. They wanted to make a movie about Kenny, and since you own the rights to that story (going out on a limb here and taking your word for that), they had to come to you. If they just wanted to do a movie about Cooper in general, they would not have went to anyone at the Cooper forum or to you…”
Not true, Parrot. That’s not what happened, and the site WAS bypassed. When the producers were in research between about July 2015 and November 2016, they were just looking to do a Cooper movie, not one on KC. To them, KC was just another suspect in the case. They were watching posts over at the Cooper Forum for quite a while. Maybe six, maybe eight months I guess. They were also going elsewhere and reading some of the books.
Not so much NOW…but back THEN some folks at the CF were really posting up all the time anti-Blevins, anti-KC, and they kept wondering why I didn’t respond. Then they looked up my name and asked me if I knew any experts in the case. I named off Bruce and a couple of others. They were a little put off by all the negativity over there, and frankly, they didn’t trust the site because of it. But they were looking at trying to recruit a couple of people to assist on details regarding the script, specifically the parts from when Cooper boards until he actually jumps. On the other hand, they were worried that word would get out who was doing the picture, and they told me that was a big no-no because another studio might jump into the first dramatic picture ever done on the hijacking before they did.
Okay. A couple of weeks later, they came back with a message. They had read up on KC. Asked me if I had anything else besides the public stuff. I took a chance and sent them the things we hadn’t released. Then they offered the contract.
Fine. I signed in January 2017. They paid me. Okay. A month later, they asked me to be the go-between for them to approach Shutter, Bruce, and Marty. They said Shutter because he seemed to have the definitive website. Bruce and Marty…because they had current books out there on the case. I almost laughed. “Those guys hate me over there…” I told them. They sent me blank contracts for Bruce and Marty. You know the rest. So involvement was definitely offered, but I was also forwarding all of Shutter’s emails to them and I warned them that if they revealed themselves to the site, that no one there would keep it secret. They came back with: “Well, if either of those guys sign, (Bruce or Marty) they’ll have to sign the confidentiality agreement, and if they talk about the movie after that, they don’t get paid.” (They figured the contract, which offered $15,000 and film credit as a co-producer, as well as naming their books in the credits would motivate them to keep their mouths shut.)
But it all turned into a big, fat mess. And I tried to bring you guys into the fold for this one, and frankly, after all the things I’ve had to read over there, that was damn generous of me. It’s not my fault either no one believed me, or they were so entrenched in their ongoing anti-Blevins stuff that they were willing to turn down all that money just to keep that going. The producers thought the whole thing was ridiculous, no kidding. They thought it was juvenile, and told me that people working on a movie often don’t get along but they usually act professional.
I don’t know. It was all a big mess anyway. If either Bruce or Marty had signed up, or Shutter had agreed to support the film via his forum, everyone there would know everything now anyway. For one thing…contracts have company names on them. Maybe it’s better things turned out the way they did. Who the heck knows?
Bruce would probably get involved in your film Robert, if some monetary assurances are given by the producers.
Out of respect for Bruce, let me say this. He has made his decision regarding the Cooper picture. That’s all I can tell you. We could use some help on the Homeless in Seattle movie, but that’s strictly volunteer. We do sound/video tests this weekend, I go on vacation the weekend after up the Skokomish River. Production shooting begins in April.
So let me get this straight – Shutter was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Marty was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Bruce was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Is this right so far?
That doesn’t seem to me like they were bypassed. Sounds to me like they said no to you and no to the production company.
Parrothead makes a good point. Truthfully, what became of Skipp Porteous and why doesn’t he comment on the Christianson story? He’s never come out to defend his investigation or his book.
I think it’s been said in the past that Porteous is not in the best of health.
ParrotheadVol asks: “So let me get this straight – Shutter was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Marty was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Bruce was offered the opportunity to participate and declined. Is this right so far?
That doesn’t seem to me like they were bypassed. Sounds to me like they said no to you and no to the production company.”
I do give it to folks straight, no matter what you may have heard. YES. That is basically correct. ‘Bypassing the site’ more refers to the production company’s reluctance to try contacting anyone at the site in person, or by joining, or by emailing the site, or to make offers where they would have to tell you who they represented. They wanted to keep any production plans, casting, nature of the script, etc under wraps until THEY were ready to make the announcement, probably via Variety or the trades I suppose. Making a picture, I was told, is a little different than a pre-budgeted TV special. You’re out there arranging financing, recruiting a director, making offers to actors, paying to have a script written, and this stuff isn’t cheap. If word were to get out on the exact nature of who, when, where, etc the whole thing could go to hell if someone decided to do the same thing before YOU do.
Look..I’m just telling you what they told ME. That’s all. Some of their reluctance was due to the massive negativity going on over there, and they have seen many of the postings, although not lately because they are past the research point. They also know that while Shutter creates a special page anti-RMB and anti-KC, (‘Suspects’), and allows negative RMB comments all the time….that he has also caused not one but TWO AB Forums to get shut down when we responded to the negative comments. They saw this as phony…and completely unfair. These are not Cooper fans. These are Hollywood pros you’re dealing with, and they don’t play baloney or go in for games. They were totally put off by the negativity and the games. We’re talking about a lot of people being involved in this whole thing, people who make their living doing pictures. It’s all business to them and there is a certain amount of risk. In order to minimize those risks, people have to act professional (even if they don’t like each other) and leave their emotional responses outside the door.
Hell…I told them it was hopeless to send Robert the Messenger Boy to approach you guys. I told them it wouldn’t work. And it was a job I sure didn’t want. Nothing like sending the guy everyone hates to make the offers. 🙂 They asked me to try anyway, so I did. Shutter’s response was expected. Marty’s I understood. Bruce was a mystery. He basically said he would work with the production company but not with me. I told him that since they were basing the movie on our investigatory files and (partially) on the book, that this was impossible. They wanted him to do script review on a script where I have partial control on content. We would HAVE to work together. Anything else on that you would have to ask him about it.
Answering these things here is becoming tiresome. You can’t edit, you can’t post pictures, you have to keep scrolling more and more. I have established a Guest Thread at the AB Forum. It does not require registration. If you post there, please don’t abuse the privilege or you will be banned by IP address range, or your post will be removed. I don’t expect any of you to post there of course. 🙂
I think the bottom line here is that although I have been the target of much negativity and outright insults at the Cooper Forum, that I still agreed to try and include some of the main voices in the Cooper story. A lot of people would not have done that.
Oops…see, can’t edit here. I forgot to answer your question on Skipp Porteous. He is alive and living with a family member. It’s public knowledge he suffers from aphasia, and can barely put words together on a keyboard. All responsibility for working with the production company has fallen to me as a result, although he receives the same compensation I do, paid directly to him. His contract with AB of Seattle says that AB of Seattle makes the arrangements on outside media, not him. This is typical in a publishing contract. (For example, Crown Books made the deal with CBS Films for Geoff Gray, not Gray.) As a result, and because of his physical condition, he will not be told the name of the production company until First Day of Production Shooting, or until the production companies make their official announcement on the movie. Even some folks on the AB Staff do not have this information right now, and they know better than to ask. The less people who know, the less likely the chance of a leak. A leak could cause the production company to void their contract with us.
Latest post by Shutter, which proves he is a complete phony. Go look for yourself.
“Some of these people with suspects remind me of parents wanting there children in a pageant, or as a child actor..they quickly try to cut down the competition…Robert Blevins is the founder of this syndrome…they seem to get so jealous of media exposure or attention that they start spending a lot time trying to put holes in other suspects…then you disagree with them, and the hate starts popping out…not all of them do this, but a majority will…
LD Cooper was DB Cooper
Duane Weber was DB Cooper
Kennith Christiansen was DB Cooper
My Father Was DB Cooper (Bradley S. Collins)
MMA fighter Chael Sonnen knows who DB Cooper was..
James Klansnic was DB Cooper.
Robert Rackstraw was DB Cooper
How can so many get it right? ”
No comment. It is what it is. This is a guy who bitched, complained, motivated a guy like NickyB to join our site under false pretenses just to keep track of any defense we might make. And then tried to shut us down. Sometimes it worked for him, but it proves he has an agenda and is a complete phony regarding his ‘Biggest Website on DB Cooper’. He simply figures it’s okay to attack anyone he wants and not have to worry that anyone will actually speak out against him.
He monitors the AB Forum like a hawk, and waits for a chance to pounce. As he has before. Fortunately, as Foghorn Leghorn once said, we keep our feathers numbered for just such an emergency. 🙂
Rober, when you say that Shutter, “motivated a guy like NickyB to join our site under false pretenses just to keep track of any defense we might make”. What exactly do you mean. Are you saying that Shutter put NickyB up to joining your site?
That would be very interesting, if true. Why would Shutter be so fearful of Robert Blevins that he needs a surrogate spy to monitor Blevin’s comings and goings? God, maybe it is true.
I doubt that it happened that way.
Ted, he’s lying once again…as you will read my comments below..I don’t send people to his forum..I don’t have time for games like that..trust me, it’s far from true..it’s a flat out lie. I have ZERO to fear from him, ZERO!!!!!!NADA, ZIP, NOTHING….Derek and Nicki have emailed me, but I haven’t responded…and no, Robert, it had nothing to do with YOU..they were asking to come back onto the forum…this is the type of crap he pulls at every corner…
January 12, 2018
Contact Page Form for DB COOPER
Name: Nicholas
Email: nbnickyb233@…….
Message:
Hello Dave, this is Nickyb233 first of all I would like to apologize for my behavior the led to my banishment of the forum. I ave sinced moved off rackstraw as suspect and I would like to continue my investigation into Norjack. I find this website to be a great resource and I would like the opportunity to participate here once again. I promise to be on my best behavior!
Thanks,
Nicky
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Robert, I only know of one phony in the Cooper world…Bruce, Robert is banned from my forum, as you know, so he doesn’t have any rights to my material, please remove it from his post….he use to say copy/paste was a bad thing, when it’s not him, of course..
Mr. Blevins, the word “liar’ is a very good friend of yours..you have been caught so many times it’s pathetic. you spew out crap about me, complain about things and turn right around and do the very things you claim to be against. as I’ve read here it appears people see right through you once again…
I’ve told you directly that I don’t want anything to do with you, or any project you get involved in. I didn’t miss out on jack shit. I’m not in this for money or fame…I don’t go around spamming on websites as you do…you lied telling people I made Bruce, and Andrade lose money lol..I told you several times it’s not my job to inform them of your actions…YOU contact them in which you did, but kept blaming me! nobody wants to work with you…that’s my fault too, right? did you tell everyone here they missed out on $15,000 for reading a couple lines lmao…even that number changed, just like half your story about Kenny.
Mr. Blevins is very vindictive..he’s been stalking me since 2014..I banned him..he joined under a phony name and hasn’t been able to shut up ever since…he even held his members hostage trying to get me to remove the ban. this guy has lots of history behind him, none of it’s good. you lie and write on every avenue you can find trying to discredit me…you lied telling people your name has been mention 5,000 times lol..we only have 20,000 posts..you make dedicated threads about me, post on news articles, wordpress, You Tube etc. etc. you have been “moving on” since 2010? what forum you have now, number 7, 8? you been shut down so many times for violations it’s down right shameful son. you piss and moan like some little schoolboy..what are you, 63, 64 years old. and you act like this?
In closing…how you became the research person for your movie deal is beyond me, they know exactly how to get a hold of people…that didn’t stop you from lying and saying it was my fault Andrade and Bruce lost out…your like a part a john that hasn’t been emptied in months…full of shit!
Shutter
I just read the post about Nick B…he’s lying once again…I banned Nicky sometime back..I’ve never had any conversation with him since. Robert assumes far too much..the Kenny saga is proof of that..he thought another member of his years back was working with me…I don’t play games like that, Robert does…stop spreading rumors Robert and gets your facts straight, oops, look who I’m talking too about facts…my bad…
My post you put on the forum is less than 24 hours old…could you kindly show me the last post I stole from your site? once again, it’s you who watches me like a hawk Robert…Mr. Blevins has to use a proxy server to view my site…as I mentioned before, B
my post got cut off…Bruce, please make sure to remove my material off of Roberts post..I’ve read enough of his lies…
I’m going to ignore Shutter’s comments for the moment and just answer the question regarding NickyB. Just go back some comments and Nicky admits what happened on his own, although I do have his emails from when he joined. Nicky said he joined the site under false pretenses in an effort to have Shutter un-ban him, but that Shutter, even after he got what he wanted…didn’t come through on his promise. NickyB admitted in his last email that not only did Shutter hire him to probe the site so that he could gain access to a private thread thee, but that he was going to come after the main AB website as well, and go after the movie producers. You want to see the mails? Just drop me a line at adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail and I will happily forward them to you.
We’ve gone over this issue, and others, many times now. Shutter can complain all he wants, but the real truth is clear. My name is mentioned negatively in well, I don’t know how many exactly, but hundreds of posts over there. But if anyone at the AB Forum has the nerve to stand up and talk back to him, or address the hate that comes out of that site, then Shutter starts looking for a way to shut us down. He’s done this twice already, yet…he continues allowing the negative and hateful comments on HIS site. Sometimes he says, ‘Okay, we have to stop talking about Blevins now.’ Well, that lasts a day or two and then he’s at it again. That’s what has been going on since 2014, not stalking. It isn’t stalking when you visit a site that discusses you all the time. That’s checking up, friends. This is why I call him a phony, because he doesn’t practice what he preaches.
Several times I set him straight privately on certain matters regarding the movie, etc and he ignores all that and keeps perpetuating the same lies. That is willful on his part. For example, when he says the movie people know how to get hold of him, or anyone on his site. That is correct, but I explained to Shutter a couple of times privately why they weren’t going to do that, and he couldn’t accept that outside visitors might view his website in a negative light.
The last time he complained to our host server, the week prior I had gone through every post at the AB Forum and removed any and all references to Shutter’s site. Every one. I left a private thread in place that only registered members could see. It had nothing really bad in it. I was simply recording inaccurate posts being made about Christiansen and other AB-related matters, and making corrections. Sort of a list. It was no big deal. But….if you’re going to do that, you cannot link back to the site itself. It’s not allowed I guess. No one could see that list except Greg the Techie Guy at Adventure Books, myself, and since we were the only registered members, it was basically harmless. We HAD no other registered members at that time. Site was pretty new and all. But it obviously drove Shutter nuts he couldn’t see it, so he sends in his shill NickyB to do it for him. Next day…site was shut down again. That’s the kind of guy he REALLY is. Like I said, I won’t make Shutter’s and NickyB’s emails public here, but if you want proof of where the ugliness really lies…just drop me a line and I will provide.
Nicky is lying, or you are Robert…I don’t have time for those type of games Robert..this is all news to me! I have never had any conversation with him since he was banned over a year ago, periods..you want to believe this crap, so be it..
I want to see emails with my header on it…show me that email! they have to be forwarded to me for verification…this is a serious matter which someone will pay for!
Robert, I’ve told you in the past..I don’t want anything to do with the movie deal, so it’s ridiculous to believe I would “hire” someone to get information about something I don’t care about…
You now have to forward any emails with my email attached to it showing this occurred..I will get my ISP involved with this accusation if I have too! I will not let the problem rest until the truth comes out!
“You now have to forward any emails with my email attached to it showing this occurred..I will get my ISP involved with this accusation if I have too! I will not let the problem rest until the truth comes out!…”
LOL. You blocked my emails a year ago. Don’t you remember? You’ve reminded everyone enough times about it. You want the emails? You can come to me like a real person as others do. Then I will provide. I’m not sending you anything down some big black hole. Or you can have someone else, someone we both know, approach me about this. 377 might be a good choice. He’s a member of the AB Forum.
Robert, stop lying..you were blocked for a reason..I told you in a post I would remove the block so you can send me the PROOF..put up, or admit it’s a LIE..you have 24 hours, or will be taking action…if you do not send the PROOF, it will be on your hands that it was all a LIE..the block as been remove…you now must comply if you want to prove all of this..the ball is in your court sir!
Nicky telling you something is not going to do it either..I need to see the emails in question for verification….
Okay…I went back and read Shutter’s comments. Some half-truths there, sure. But I understand why he’s wanting that material I posted removed. Because it shows I was telling the truth about his ongoing campaign. Whether or not Shutter actually put NickyB up to the phony joining of the AB Forum is kind of moot. The fact remains that’s what Nicky says, and I have the emails to prove it. In his emails, Nicky actually represents himself as Shutter’s lawyer. And since Shutter blocked all possible communication between himself and myself, I had no way of verifying Nicky’s story. On the other hand, why would NickyB, a guy who didn’t even know me and wasn’t a member of the Cooper Forum anymore…bother to do what he did unless Shutter put him up to it? Right?
Some comments back on this article, Nicky talks about what he did, after I confronted him when he asked if I would send him a copy of a video we had on file at Adventure Books. Don’t believe me. Go look back up there for yourself. Or you can see the emails. He was allowed to join the AB Forum after he made a request. Sure, why not. The next day, we’re shut down basically for nothing. I email NickyB (not knowing yet what he had done) apologizing for the site being down and that I might put it back up later.
NickyB comes back with two messages. First, says that Shutter hired him to join. He had also represented himself as Shutter’s lawyer. I sort of shrugged my shoulders on that one. (“Figures. Typical Shutter stuff.”) Second message says: “We’re coming after the main AB site, and contacting the movie producers…” Then I got pissed off. Who wouldn’t?
Now sure…it’s possible Shutter knew nothing about all of this, and didn’t put NickyB up to anything. But the fact remains that NickyB DID represent himself as Shutter’s lawyer, and pulled a nasty trick on us. Without any way to verify this stuff with Shutter, I have to believe what Nicky said. I think any reasonable person would.
I suggest that if Shutter is going to watch every post we make at the AB Forum for any possible negative stuff, that he should bring down the hammer on his own posts, and his own members, and stop being a complete PHONY. It is two-faced to keep posting stuff about someone else, and that someone else (yours truly) cannot defend himself. And then complain, scheme, and bitch to servers when the person he attacks starts standing up to him.
For example, I’ll bet by tomorrow there will be several negative posts at the Cooper Forum with my name attached to them. But God help us if I were to respond to those things at the AB Forum. Shutter would be first in line (again) contacting our server. That’s how he operates. I would not put it past reality that Shutter did put NIckyB up to what he did. I told Shutter once that when you cut off ALL communication and you have issues with someone, this is what happens.
He doesn’t listen. He never does a thing wrong. EVER. Don’t take my word for it. Just ask him. 🙂
You have 24 hours in which to get some truth into this matter by any means you can find. I will be contacting my ISP and who ever else is need to insure this is properly investigated..I will remove the block to your email and wait for a response..
Please forward the following
1) all emails regarding this matter..(shutter hires Nicky)
2) emails with my email in reply, or directly sent.
This should be a very simple thing to do if you have these emails..I WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS MATTER…..
Not a chance in hell. Send a third party. I want a witness to see the emails before they reach you. You caused two of our forums to get shut down. Maybe we deserved it, okay. Maybe not. But meanwhile…you and yours over there kept up with Blevins this and that stuff. Why should I trust you?
I’ve seen you post several times over there saying, “We have to stop talking about RMB.” That lasts a few days, and then many (not all) of you are back at it again. This has been going on for FOUR YEARS, Dave. We also know you watch the AB Forum, or get reports about it, looking for the slightest excuse to shut us down again.
Why should I trust you now? Send someone else. Someone NEUTRAL.
Robert, you can’t make an accusation and not back it up..this has nothing to do with the past..you are accusing me of something very serious and you have to be truthful..not complying is a red flag..you don’t send something to a third party..you are accusing me. I need to see the proof..
as I mentioned, you have 24 hours to put up, or shut up..you are cornered. you have to send the proof..you can’t change the emails Robert..that’s a cop out..you have the original before it’s sent to me..nice try..it’s sounds like you are the one lying, and not Nicky..one way or another. I will get to the bottom of this..
I’ll ask again…anyone reading this will agree..you have to send the proof to who ever you accuse, period..any other way is flat out wrong..
EDIT: Okay, tell you what I will do. I will email you. It will be a reasonable message. Hope you read it. Maybe we can figure this junk out or something. Give me a few minutes.
I have to work in the morning..I don’t have all night like you do..either send the proof, or shut up..what do you mean “figure this junk out” you have the proof, no? shouldn’t be anything to “figure out” I would see my conversation an an email, right? nothing to figure out…once again, someone is lying…
Well, I guess we found out two things today. Actually, it’s more along the lines of two things we already knew were confirmed. First off, Shutter “passed” on Blevins and the production company, not the other way around. Even though it’s been spun the other way for quite a while. Secondly, when Blevins implied that Shutter sent Nicky to his site, he was wrong, of course. As I told Ted a few posts back, “I doubt it happened that way”.
Sorry Shutter, I didn’t mean to get a bunch of crap stirred up. But, I thought Blevins should clarify his comment, that’s why I asked. If he was saying what it sounded like (which he was), then that’s quite the accusation.
I just did you a favor. Save the insults for someone else please. NickyB shows at Facebook as a lawyer. He says you hired him. Emails sent to you. I gave you what you wanted, needed, whatever. Don’t need the insults tossed in. Don’t you think that stuff has gone on long enough? Even some of your members are tired of it. I know because THEY messaged me about it. Not many, just a couple of them.
don’t need insults…this hardly anything close to what you claimed at first..you set it up all nice and neat throwing me under the bus making me look like it was all my doings and you tell me to save the insults…are you shitting me son!
YOU caused all of this Robert…you claimed you had emails saying I did this, then refused to send them unless it was a third party..you hardly did anyone any favors Robert! you had it all wrapped up nice and neat to make me look bad. insults, yes they are son! serious one’s…you should be ashamed, Robert. you took everything out of context, took everything as truth, and then tried to bury me in it…the only thing insulting is you…
Take a deep breath and chill out, Dave. I changed my mind. Sent all his messages to you. I think that covers it and you’ll see I wasn’t making it up. I will overlook your last post there because I know you hadn’t yet received the messages. Don’t shoot the messenger. He did represent himself as being hired by you, and he IS an attorney, if you can believe his Facebook page anyway. His picture there and his picture in his emails were a match. What was I supposed to believe. This ain’t MY fault. I think we were both victims here. He used your name, and WE got shut down for basically nothing.
I already said it was possible Nicky claimed to represent you, and never told you about it. In one of his messages after the shutdown, he calls you ‘Dave Shutter,’ which I found strange. If he was your lawyer, why wouldn’t he call you by your true last name? I did wonder about it. All coms have been forwarded with a short review I wrote.
Yes, it’s late. I’m out of here. Good luck. 🙂
EDITOR’S NOTICE:
I am getting tired of this. When I came back from town this evening there were 27 emails waiting for me – most of them were the above crapola shit fest posts between Blevins and Shutter. ENOUGH.
I am putting this thread on a 10-Post per day limit. Argue all you want; talk DB Cooper all you want; or share research – but the Maximum Limit is TEN TOTAL POSTS per day. That is not ten per person. It is ten total. Therefore, each individual in this pissing contest has to decide how they want to use community time.
The next time I will allow a comment to post will be 10pm PST on Friday March 9th.
Goodnight, gentlemen.
It isn’t worth dealing with this forum because of Blevins, too much nonsense from him.
Bruce’s site has allowed some interesting dialogue between the primary combatants. Why is there so much bad blood in the DB Cooper case? There are now factions within factions battling for control, yet no one has solved the fricken case.
The question remains: does the DB Cooper case bring out the worst in us, or is Norjak representative of any discussion that is based upon passionate beliefs? Maybe a little of both boorish behavior AND admirable conduct? But clearly, Norjak has something special going on, such as 900 confessions, multiple suspects still clamoring for attention 46 years after the crime, and decidedly bad behavior from plenty of people. I have been threatened with lawsuits and police arrest by several Cooperites. Hence, the term Cooper Vortex.
Seems to be, Johnnie. I went over to the Forum and checked for myself. Parrothead made a pretty good observation, though. PH said that Blevins is a good wordsmith and….. crafty. Have to agree. I know that the Forum guys think they have their own crafty wordsmith too, (his majesty, retired professor) but frankly, he has nothing on Blevins. And that’s a fact.
Bruce says: ” I have been threatened with lawsuits and police arrest by several Cooperites”
Not only that Bruce, but haven’t you also been accused of murder?? Didn’t Jo Weber imply that you had a hand in Cossey’s demise??
(I use the word “imply” very loosely. If I remember correctly, she didn’t imply it, she came right out and said it, lol).
Yup. That, too.
The truth came to light yesterday about the NickyB situation. (Kind of like ‘The Bonnie Situation’ in Pulp Fiction, but no dead body LOL)
1) NickyB, in an effort to ingratiate himself with Shutter, and possibly be allowed to return to the Cooper Forum, falsely represented himself as being Shutter’s lawyer after joining the AB Forum. He then somehow got us shut down. Since we were new and only had three members, it was no big deal until he started making additional threats. Shutter has the emails from NickyB now, and knows all the details.
2) This whole thing has put a very bad taste in my mouth regarding the Cooper case. Today, I removed all threads at the AB Forum having to do with Cooper, and they will not come back. We’re changing our focus to other things. I made a statement about it on the site.
3) I will no longer post up about the Cooper case anywhere on the internet except two places. First is Quora dot com, the other is my DB Cooper WordPress Blog, and only when I think it’s really necessary.
4) I have a couple of duties related to the upcoming feature film on the Cooper case, and then I’m cashing the checks and moving on to anything other than the Cooper case. Enough is enough.
I will no longer respond to known Cooper folk, (the ones I know personally anyway) on inquiries by email. Public inquiries, I will mostly send them to the DB Cooper Info Page at the main AB website.
Registration to the AB Forum will be restricted, and mostly by invitation only, or if we know you. Anyone else will be turned away.
Reasons for these actions: I realized today that since we got the movie on Cooper, and I am being paid a fair amount of money for that, and that either Kenny Christiansen will be verified as Cooper…or he won’t…that there is nothing to gain by me continuing to pursue the case. It is what it is, and we will see how the chips fall in the end. I have one last interview with family members of alleged accomplice Bernie Geestman’s family, and then I am closing AB’s investigation into the DB Cooper case.
This is my last post to the Mountain News. That’s not meant as a slam on the site itself. Bruce does good work here, and everything that happened regarding NickyB is no fault of his.
I’m always for the underdog and it seems that Mr. Blevins is that. Wish he would have gotten on the same page as Bruce Smith, though.
Shutter has the emails from NickyB now, and knows all the details.
No, Shutter reinstated the block after finding out you tried to take advantage of someone else’s lies without even looking into the matter for any truth..this as usual is ALL your fault..
You have been leaving the Cooper community for the last 7 years only to return within days of making these repeated statements..
Ouote: “No, Shutter reinstated the block after finding out you tried to take advantage of someone else’s lies without even looking into the matter for any truth..this as usual is ALL your fault..
You have been leaving the Cooper community for the last 7 years only to return within days of making these repeated statements..” Unquote.
This is only one of several tactics of those that wanna stifle an objective discussion of the facts. Blevins thrives on being a sickening liar, which in turn discourages people gathering for an honest discussion. He’s a troll. So are the “hats” that operate with him. We’ve come to expect such nonsense. It tells us that someone is wanting to control the Cooper narrative. The fact is, it cuts into the credibility of Bruce Smith’s messages.
I’ve attempted to point out that whomever the Cooper UNSUB was, this same person carried out a very well thought out plan which was based at the time on esoteric knowledge. Ground targeting technology by 1971 was robust. No chute was seen by the planes pilots following that 727. This discounts the “squidding(sic)” notion, so do other factors, like the 15O MPH plus airspeed of that jet.
The FBI files make clear that there was a sensible train of reasoning being applied to the investigation, which was immediately followed by nonsense from Hoover himself. To me, it’s like Comey himself is saying to the public; “If you think that I’ve been misleading you about things like Mrs Clinton, look at what kind of a political animal Hoover was!” For those that can think clearly, Mueller was a far worse political animal in several cases…and he still is “political.” Mueller led a false narrative on the anthrax case, a case which again has taunting documents that show that the suspect we refer to as “Zodiac Jack,” had some rather uncanny advanced and inside knowledge.
BTW, all of those so-called “core four” letters are decorated with many “Zodiac Jack” nuances and details. The “I knew” typewritten letter has statements, details and nuances that parallel historic statements made by our suspect. Unlike Blevins, I’m not bullshitting anyone!
A study of Zodiac killer documents, and especially the envelopes, will make these things very clear to anyone that can think clearly.
A guy by the name of Paul Geivett claims that the Zodiac killer is Kenny C. lol that’s Robert’s “Guy” (Paul) hey, that’s easy to put on someone…he also SOLVED the Cooper case, Kenny once again…this guy told me on the phone that Kenny got around the height issue with “spring loaded boots” to make him taller…he says the FBI has a picture of Kenny looking out the rear stairs, with a wig on of course..this was some years back, but he has a boat load of crap..
shutter 45, yes, I’ve seen the garbage from Paul Geivett and I agree with your assessment of him. On the surface it would seem to be pretty wild and incredible that the Zodiac killer persona would have penned these taunting post Cooper caper documents and for a person to make such claims. However, it’s something that has fallen into my lap, it’s not something that was seeking to do. Let me explain the pathway that got me to the point of the Cooper caper subject in as condensed of a description as I can make: An internet article about previously convicted inmates being cleared by DNA results linked me to Dennis Kaufman’s site. I did an outline type of crash course in the Zodiac killer subject, because I found Kaufamn’s handwriting results to be compelling, coupled with the audio taped confession he got from his step-father Jack Tarrance. I found catseye to be an outrageously arrogant and annoying person/troll on his MB. Nanette Barto claimed that Jack penned the Ramsey RN, to which I was duly skeptical. catseye claimed that Tarrance’s initials were “all over the RN”. If so, why didn’t she embellish this? I still ask this same question. I was truly stunned when I realized that the letters JT practically saturate the structure of the Ramsey RN. At that point in time, I started to realize that the structure of the ransom note is loaded with many structural details. Blow up a copy to see this is very true. The ominous way that the word “She” was made on the first page jumped out at me. The “hands of the clock” D in “Don’t” on the last page, and so on. I read everything I could about the case and quickly realized that JonBenet’s death was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident. I also realized that the parents had been railroaded by the cops, FBI and MSM press. I’ve since discovered many many things about that so-called ransom note. It carries several encrypted messages. Currently the best kept secret in the world is the fact the the cryptic sign-off “Victory! S.B.t.C” is a set of coordinates that are within 2000 feet of the nearest intersection of Burke St (her brother’s name) and Garret Road (garrote, pronounce “garret” by some, the device used to kill her), in the state of Michigan. This is a hard cold fact, it’s not something that I pulled out of my ass! Long before this same discovery, I discovered the message “The [Zodiac] not Speaking” between lines 7 and 11 (probably a gambling hint, 7 come 11) on the second page. It didn’t take me very long to realize that the Ramsey RN has several Zodiac killer keywords on it, like the word “Speaking.” Nanette links several other murder cases, I cherry-picked the most infamous and ominous ones, like Degnan, Chicago Lipstick, Black Dahlia (BTW, Steve Hodel correctly links BD to Zodiac, but he’s dead wrong about his dad and it’s easy to prove this) OCCK and especially the Ramsey case. I pick these cases mainly because I didn’t wanna get overloaded and my forte is the Ramsey note reports. Nanette pointed me in the direction of the Cooper case and despite the fact that I didn’t wanna go there, I have a lot of respect for her, so the first attempt I made to study the case has honestly a bit half-hearted. But when I came across the YouTube video posted by DbCooperDecoded, which is titled; ‘New DB Cooper Letter Reveals Intriguing Insights’, I was once again stunned. I started my thread on Nanette’s MB. Nanette and I got even more “insight” when we reviewed the cutouts. I drifted away from the Cooper case until I saw the report about the clip-on tie particles by Bruce A Smith. That led me here. I’m currently sorting out the FBI files and especially the taunting letters, most of which I’m very certain were penned by the same guy. BTW, Nanette has posted pre-Cooper 1969 Zodiac letters that clearly predict the Cooper skijacking…..this is no bullshit! These are FBI file documents, but so far I haven’t been able to locate them in the FBI Zodiac files. Again, I never bullshit anyone, and especially about things of great public importance.
To Shutter: I didn’t think you’d reply, and you have a lot of nerve, excuse me for saying. I had no way of verifying NickyB’s claims because of the block. You understand that right? I checked him out thoroughly, and had no clue he was a former member of yours. I looked at his Facebook page, and ran him on Google. Nothing unusual. His Facebook says he’s a lawyer, correct? His picture there matched his email picture. I allowed him on board. THEN he went to work on us. AFTER he was finished, then he revealed himself as saying YOU paid him to do that. And he replied with these threats of additional action, not once but TWICE, the second time saying he was going after the main AB website now and would make attempts to contact the movie producers. All the while…he’s saying he’s doing this because you paid him to do it. Any reasonable person would assume it was the truth.
Why don’t you publish the emails. I give you permission to do that as long as you publish them complete, just the way they came. You tell just one more BS story about this incident, and I will do it myself. He was YOUR member, the guy you banned, YOUR renegade. I don’t even know the guy! He was YOUR guy before you banned him. Bruce told me he was a ‘loose cannon’ after this all happened. (I told him what happened in another email.)
I still can’t figure out why NickyB would bother to go to all that trouble to trash the AB Forum without someone behind him pushing him. It was weird. I have accepted your word that he did this on his own and without your knowledge. I showed you everything. So lay off, if you please.
Seems to me that folks in this rather contentious debate are all competing for some variation of the truth. Who owns the truth? Is it Mr. Mr. Blevins, Mr. Shutter, Bruce? The retired poetic professor at The Forum? Lot of competition here and that’s why everyone is fighting.
Re liars don’t have to fight. They can just keep on smiling, making up poetic sh*t, and ignore the debate. Sounds like someone we know in high office. Will the REAL liar please stand up?
Robert, as usual you are right back in the pocket…yes, I have a whole bunch of nerve when someone makes an accusation appear to be truthful..you can’t whittle out of it…I never sent any emails, so I don’t need to see the one’s you have. He’s not “my guy” it’s a public forum Robert..he was removed and that’s the end of his dealing with me..this was obviously thought up by him to do exactly what it was intended to do, cause trouble! trouble is your middle name..
You know nicky is not being truthful and yet here you are threatening to post private matters once again..something that got you shut down several times before. if you feel the need to do so, that’s your business. I had ZERO to do with it..he was removed from my forum on Oct. 22, 2016. what he does outside of my forum is not controlled by me…why do you feel the need to post a bunch of lies? something that should have never been brought up unless they were truthful!!
this is exactly why nobody can trust you..not one person has been interviewed by anyone outside of the way off base show Decoded..it all comes from you, and only you…the start of all this childish crap has you right in the center making it appear I was involved with someone I’ve never spoken with outside of my forum..
when are you EVER going to take your own advice and move on?
Editor’s Note:
This is the 5th comment today in the “Feud,” as I’m calling it. Five posts left for the next 12 hours.
I never met Robert Blevins. I do my own work and I know that DB Cooper was really Kenneth Christianson and I said this many times over the years. ive stated numerous times over the years. I have the proof. Its been posted all over the internet for years and i’m not putting up all over again. I used to think that Kenny was the Zodiak but I changed my mind. Now i’m pretty sure it was Jack who did the crimes They were two different guys. Blevins is not lying he knew it from the beginning. Kenny knew Richard Mccoy too.
You are obviously not Paul…Paul has horrible grammar, not to mention spelling error’s galore. I guess you forgot about Ariel…nice try though…
To Shutter: Enough with the ‘liar’ stuff if you please. This incident was not my fault, and I already said I accepted your word that you had no knowledge. However, the fact remains that NickyB played a game on both of us. The truth is, now that everyone knows what happened, and we have a new, mostly-non-Cooper website going, this is no longer a big deal to me.
I could tell from your early responses here that you were probably telling the truth when you said Nicky just used your name on his own, without any prompting from you. I accept that. And I believe it. I see no need to make the emails public. However, telling me ‘I don’t need to see the emails’ is a far cry from your earlier, ‘I’ll give you 24 hours to provide them…’ approach. No big deal, though. I think everyone involved was angry. You…because he falsely ID’d himself as your paid attorney simply to cause trouble. Me…because he caused a website to be taken down. I know you were responsible the first time that happened to AB, so I had good reason to believe (at first) that Nicky was telling the truth.
I see now that he was lying. I’m even wondering if his Facebook page information is a line of baloney, and he really ISN’T a lawyer. What normal officer of the court would do what he did? You could possibly get disbarred.
Look…there’s no use continuing to be angry at me over this. I didn’t send the emails. Nicky did. I did not pose as your lawyer. Nicky did that. Put the blame where it lies: N-I-C-K-Y.
This whole rigamarole was the final straw for me. I’m officially OUT of the public Cooper business, except for my duties regarding the upcoming picture, and a few minor posts later that might be necessary to address that movie. Mostly articles, not public posts awaiting some response. There is already the DB Cooper Info Page at the main AB site, the WordPress Cooper site, and I do answer most questions from the public. That’s enough. That’s plenty.
Robert, stop spamming and leave as you instructed the board you were going to do….
This is the 9th Post this Diem. Only one left until tomorrow evening…
“Robert, stop spamming and leave as you instructed the board you were going to do….”
Who the heck are you? I don’t take orders from you, LOL. You’re just the guy who thinks it’s okay to say whatever half-truths and lies he wants on his website…regarding someone he’s never met…and then whine to the OTHER guy’s server when that guy stands up to him. Don’t forget to check in once in a while to see if we speak a peep about you.
It’s really not a surprise that the movie producers, after researching your website and seeing all the backbiting and insults heaped on people there, most of whom aren’t allowed to defend themselves, called it ‘silly and juvenile’. That’s a quote, by the way.
You really should stop telling people how you ‘banned’ me from your site. I was ‘Pre-Banned’ and just for laughs, I joined under a false username. After just one or two days, seeing what was going on there, I told you exactly who I was (because I didn’t want to be involved in what was going there) and allowed you to ban me. I could have kept up that charade for a while had I wished. But I wasn’t going to be associated with what goes on there. Not a chance.
Just a note: I think your site has some good things going about it. Sure, there is a lot of good information there on the case. On the other hand, it is one of the most slanted websites on Planet Earth. If I were associated with that site, they never would have handed us the first-ever dramatic feature film on the Cooper case. So I guess I should thank you.
I don’t need you to tell me what to do, by the way. You are not the boss of me. And if you were, I would quit THAT job. 🙂
DING! That’s it gentlemen – 10 posts.
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You left the worse one out!!!
False accusations:
When there is insufficient supporting evidence to determine whether an accusation is true or false, it is described as “unsubstantiated” or “unfounded”. Accusations that are determined to be false based on corroborating evidence..
An allegation that is completely false in that the events that were alleged did not occur;
A false allegation can occur as the result of intentional lying on the part of the accuser
Complaint generations are usually “rat outs,” Bruce. Then it becomes another form of 1st Amendment protections to accusers only, while the accused lose their “voice.” Better to let the dialogue flow and let the market place of ideas rule. And the M N will lose its readership.
See below:
phony usernames should be looked into as well…
Shutter: Rather than using Bruce’s news forum (he’s been pretty tolerant up to now) why don’t you just contact me privately if you have additional concerns. And if you don’t wish to do that, then I guess your concerns weren’t much anyway. 🙂 Bruce has given a warning here. We are not being fair to him.
I sent you what you wanted. You saw it for yourself. I’ve explained it enough here. If you need further clarification, you know where to reach me. Meanwhile, I have a vacation to plan in the Olympics. 🙂
March 11, 2018 at 9:00 pm (Edit)
Enough. This debate is closed due to literary concerns, my sense of good taste, and my fatigue at teaching gentlemanly behaviors.
Only DB Cooper discussions from here on out.
Good luck, and good night.
The statements with false accusations should be removed from this thread. they should of never been posted in the first place..same for material stolen from my site…
Editor: Non-DBC material deleted. – BAS.
Cooper-related: I have a scheduled interview with some members of Geestman’s family. This will be my final interview in the Cooper case and then I’m closing the investigation into KC and Geestman. On March 21, I do an interview with that same outfit (Late Night AM? I forgot, would have to look) Look for it soon afterward. The AB Forum no longer focuses on the DB Cooper case.
‘Same outfit’ means the guys who interviewed Marty Andrade a short time ago…my apologies. We’re doing live evening of March 21.
Sounds like censorship, Bruce. They don’t like the message and they certainly don’t like the messenger. But your site offered some lively discussion amongst the so-called “nobles” of the Cooper world. Let em have at it here, at MN, a forum that is the most neutral. Blevins won’t allow certain people at his site and Shutter does the same. Invite them both in at MN and let them square it off. And another thing, the posters at Shutter’s site really aren’t your friends. Lots of demeaning comments directed at you over the years. Your antagonizers are primarily at Shutters site, so why afford them protection here? At least Blevins is polite to you at your own site MN.
See below.
Let me sent the record straight with the video about the money find..it does exist. it was taken down, and then uploaded again with a smaller screen version..the owner of the video read my forum where I stated I made a copy of the video..that’s why he took it down..during this time period we were dealing with The Learning channel for a segment about Cooper on the show “Expedition Unknown” one of the producers (Amanda Marks) wanted to get permission to use the footage. she told me several days later that he didn’t own the rights to the video, which could give another explanation why the video disappeared for some period of time. the media is right on the beach with the FBI filming the dig…some segments show them finding pieces several feet down with the FBI, and the media confirming this as proof..the video even shows Palmer’s trench being dug up. it’s several segments sliced into one video..
Now, for a plant they would of had to dig a large area up and sprinkle pieces at different levels and replacing layers of sand as they filled up the hole..IMO, if Cooper was trying to gain attention to himself, why not send a letter WITH a 20 dollar bill? many claim he did it to throw them off, throw them off of what?..he was in the clear from the beginning, so he wouldn’t be doing any good. if he did it in 1971, it surely did him no good because it wasn’t found until 1980..
I doubt any conspiracy was involved with the video removal…
My goal is to be a good editor and not a cop. Hence, I will enforce certain rules here. First, no libel. That means no untruths about anyone, at least knowingly. That means two things specifically: Never definitively stating that “So-and-So is DB Cooper.” Secondly, the comments about someone else’s research or opinions must be accurate AND done with the literary grace befitting the standards of the Mountain News. Calling someone a liar in the heat of the moment is over the line, but forgivable. Repeatedly doing so is not acceptable. Worse are comments that are tantamount to character assassination, defamation, or verbal assault.
Bottom line: good writing about information that is substantive and done with good behavior, and all of it within legal limits.
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No more arguing, explaining, defending, etc.
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RMB:
The money find video is available in a higher-resolution version now than the one that was originally at YouTube. A long time back, I obtained a copy and ran it through some enhancement programs. Cleaned up the audio, improved the video. But I told people I can’t post it back to YouTube because they could delete my YouTube account on a copyright violation, and I can’t take that chance. If you want a copy, just drop me a line at adventurebooksofseattle AT G Mail dot com. I will have to Google Drive it to you because it runs well over 300 megabytes in size now, due to the enhancements. Usual email limit on file attachments is 25 megs. Bruce has a copy, I believe. You could also ask him.
Someone who posts to this thread emailed me today and asked if I was ‘Ted’. Answer is NO. Remember…you can’t get away with doing second identities very easily at WordPress. The owner of the site (Bruce) can look in his editing section for the comments posted. Everyone’s comment, no matter who they are, also lists the IP address it originated from. When two IP’s are a match, and you have two different usernames going…then you have a false second identity going. That’s how you tell. No, I am not Ted. 🙂
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No more arguing, explaining, defending, etc.
– BAS
Hmm. Well okay. How about our Official Policies instead?
http://adventurebooks.proboards.com/threads/recent/17
It’s scary, I’ll admit. But before I take off into the woods this week, I wanted you to see what I posted elsewhere regarding the final fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370:
“My theory is that since the First Officer was the first person to respond to a radio contact, and that all other contacts were made by the pilot, that the pilot disconnected the transponder while the co-pilot was out of the cockpit and then locked the cockpit door. Since the plane flew on for hours without voice com, this means the pilot probably depressurized the cabin at some point soon after taking complete control. This would quickly incapacitate passengers and remaining crew from attempting satellite phone calls, sending texts, or breaking into the cabin. The pilot would have donned an oxygen mask during this process. This O2 would have been exhausted long before the plane ran out of fuel. One possibility is that the pilot (this is creepy indeed) RE-pressurized the cabin after he was sure everyone was dead, selected autopilot, and may have gone back into the passenger area to inspect his work. And then he simply flew on until the plane’s fuel was exhausted. It was a long flight. Perhaps he picked out a First Class meal to enjoy before the end, or had a few drinks to bolster himself before the crash…”
Or, he outright killed the FO in the cockpit.
Good point. He (pilot) can also disable the automatic drop of the O2 masks in the passenger cabin. This control is enabled for the pilot in case of fire. Occasionally, pilots have known to do this in emergencies, i.e. disable the O2 system. There would be a few free O2 bottles on board, but in a condition of depressurization you can be overcome by hypoxia very quickly, lose consciousness, and die. I agree he may have just killed the pilot outright right there in the cabin. I think the right turn, followed by the left turn out over the Indian Ocean, (done after the transponder quit sending) says the pilot was trying to confuse any radar tracking him.
So, to get back to the Cooper case, why didn’t Capt. Scott pull the yoke back, fly to 17,000 ft and let old Coop get air starved while rest of the crew was on bottled O2. They could have rescued Tina about the time 305 was over Ariel.
“So, to get back to the Cooper case, why didn’t Capt. Scott pull the yoke back, fly to 17,000 ft and let old Coop get air starved while rest of the crew was on bottled O2. They could have rescued Tina about the time 305 was over Ariel…”
Captain Scott wasn’t the kind of guy to go against company policy. It had been decided by NWA CEO Donald Nyrop to fully cooperate with Cooper. Also, since Cooper obviously knew aircraft fairly well, there was a chance he might figure out the game and decide to set off the bomb. (Crew’s point of view. Personally, I believe the bomb was a fake.)
I think one basic reason he didn’t do that was simply to not take any chances with the hijacker. The hijacker held all the cards, once the jet left Seattle. However, according to a 1996 San Francisco Gate article, co-pilot Rataczak considered flying out over the Pacific, but this idea was rejected:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Still-Wanted-After-All-These-Years-It-s-been-25-2959180.php
It takes power to climb, Blevins, and especially with the wheels down and the flaps at 15 degrees. These things would have been noticed by the Cooper UNSUB. Passenger jet’s climb at fairly steep angles too. This is another set of reasons why it’s obvious that the Cooper UNSUB had a very methodical plan, he anticipated everything that he faced.
lol. It took 350 posts to finally get back to the Cooper case. You’re the man, Bruce.
Well, it was time. I have suggested to Bruce that perhaps a NEW article or a separate ‘discussions’ post be done, so we’re not posting up comments that have nothing to do with the actual article way back there at the top. I’m not sure exactly how this would be done, but you could do a short article explaining it like this maybe: ‘Voices From Cooperland’ or somesuch. I dunno…was just an idea.
As far as anything Cooper, I am convinced that because the airstairs would only drop 24-36 inches after release during actual flight, that Cooper almost certainly looked at that in surprise, and turned around and started BACKING down the stairs. I mean…if you try to lean over that much and go forward, when the stairs drop due to your weight, you could easily go head over heels and off into the night. I pictured the scenario like this:
Cooper looks at the stairs after he pulls the handle. Instead of falling down far enough to walk down them, they only drop about three feet. Maybe he pitches the phony trainer chute out the door at that point. Then he turns around, and with one hand on the rail, the other holding the money bag that’s already been secured around his waist…starts backing down. The stairs drop with his weight, the farther down he goes. (The engine noise was probably deafening.) When he reaches the bottom of the stairs, he doesn’t just jump off the end. That, in my opinion, would enter the world of totally crazy. I think he pulls the ripcord right there, waits for the chute to ‘squid’ out behind him, (flutter around and then inflate) and then gets pulled off the stairs.
Cooper fan and expert parachutist ‘377’ also supports this opinion. He says that by doing this, not only would Cooper be safer, but there would not be a great deal of opening shock. And I believe him. Also…Cooper might have suspected that one or more of the chutes wouldn’t work, or were purposely made NOT to work. Perhaps he figured that out when he discovered the phony trainer chute and wasn’t willing to take a freefall risk on an untested chute. If the chute does not open on the stairs, he could return to the cabin and switch out for the one still there that worked…the one presently on display in the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma.
All supposition and subject to speculation, Mr Blevins. We have no idea what happened in those last 30 minutes other than the man got out of the plane. And the man ain’t been heard from since and he ain’t coming back to tell us how he did it.
Okay. I will tell you a secret. That scenario above is how the actual jump will be portrayed in the DB Cooper movie. (I’m allowed to discuss certain things regarding the picture, as long as I don’t reveal other details. But things regarding the time between when Cooper boarded and when he jumped, that’s okay I’m told.)
For anyone to dominate the narrative with the “chute being opened on the stairs” in the Cooper/ NORJAK case, that’s called “disinformation” and it’s truly “disingenuous”, which is how Mr Blevins’ operates. No chutes were seen by the planes following that 727. If they can see the 727, they can damn well see a parachute open up out the back of it! The contemporary description of such disinformation is called “fake news,” originating from the “deep state,” which is something the public is growing very wary and weary of these days.
BTW, it was 8:55 my time when I posted my message, “Central” time.
I certainly wouldn’t describe myself as ‘dominating the narrative’ in anything regarding the Cooper case. The method of exit I described is a theory only, albeit probably a good one, based on the few known facts regarding his exit. We know that the stairs would have only partially dropped, 24-36 inches at most. Packing a load like a chute and a 22-pound money bag, it seems unlikely Cooper would have just bent over severely at the waist and tried going down forward. And I don’t care who you say Cooper was, but you can say he had to be scared or he wasn’t human. The noise from the jet engines, it’s dark, he’s been through major stress for several hours now. Those are factors. The almost natural thing would be to turn around and start testing the hanging stairs by backing down.
Think about it for a minute.
Then to just leap from the stairs with a single, untested, chute? That’s even crazier. Those jets from McChord were busy doing their wide ‘S-turns’ trying to keep from overshooting. It’s dark, the moon was about three hours from setting that night and at ‘waxing crescent’ anyway. Cloud cover and rain. Those pilots would have had to be right on Flight 305’s behind, or they probably wouldn’t have seen an elephant exiting the aircraft, let alone catch a glimpse of one guy going off the back stairs.
On the other hand, maybe he did just jump and freefall. But that would take one hell of a lot of faith. We could call it the Supreme Leap of Faith, I guess. Trust the one chute you have, trust the money bag wouldn’t just bash you in the face during the freefall, etc. I think he just pulled the ripcord right on the stairs, frankly. He hadn’t done anything particularly stupid to that point. Why start now? If the chute fails to open, just go back up and switch out for the other one. Try that. If IT doesn’t work, you just got free ride to Reno and Federal prison. It is 7:45 AM here.
Once in a while, I like to post this link to the historical weather record at PDX on the night in question. It shows that all those TV programs were mistaken when they kept saying there was a storm going at the time Cooper jumped. Even Himmelsbach said so. But it isn’t borne out by the facts. In fact, at 8PM that evening, ground temp was mid-forties, wind speed the lowest it had been all day, and nothing but light rain. Shivery and wet, but no big storm:
https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KPDX/1971/11/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Portland+International&req_state=OR&req_statename=Oregon&reqdb.zip=97218&reqdb.magic=5&reqdb.wmo=99999
I was the most promising status, little boys. Guess you still don’t understand the politics of LE. If You’re hot and wag well, the boys with badges will pay attention. I’m both. The guy in charge of the case in Seattle was a moron to believe my story. LD. DB. A seventh grader could have seen through that one.
It’s the art of the game and the S.A. played the price. The only thing I object to is for Georger to call me a stupid c*nt
That doesn’t sound like Georger…more accusations …
Georger is just being sly because he’s smarter than you. (See definition of sunt) Anyway you cut it, that is sex harassment and I’m reporting it Shutter. He should be banned.
So, you will deploy a untested chute from the stairs to insure it’s good while it yanks you off the stairs? a bad chute will kill you anyway you jump with it..
No, Cooper didn’t do anything stupid at that point?..he failed to notice no D-rings on the front chutes, gave no route to follow, got the wrong bag he requested, and apparently failed to notice a dummy chute was involved..several things that fit into his “no funny stuff” demands..you have to be pretty stupid to do this in the beginning..
McNally did a free fall to terminal velocity (front chute only)..I’m not sure at the moment how many of the copycats did as well..they spotted him falling from the plane..McNally also got most of his knowledge from reading books..
Robb Heady also did a free fall…I believe Hahneman did as well…
The money find at Tena Bar tells us that something went wrong with the jump. Bottom line, one of the following happened:
Chute didn’t open, Copper died.
Chute opened, Cooper lost money.
That’s it. This whole idea that Cooper eased down the steps and opened on the steps and eased out into the night may have or may not have happened. But something, somewhere did not go as planned. I know there are some that hold on to the fairy tale that Cooper returned to hide the money. But they are wrong. I don’t know why people choose to ignore hard evidence. The money find at Tena Bar is hard evidence that Cooper – if he even survived – had no more money at the end of the day than he had when it started. He may have walked out of the woods, but he walked out without the money.
McNally claims to have watched the money disappear while going down..he was cussing up a storm and claims to have started another plan to do it again while coming down that evening…
parrotheadvol, you have to think that whole business through a lot more thoroughly. You can study what others have said about it on wikipedia, for what that’s worth. I can add some thoughts, but I’m too cautious to make solid conclusions on that find. Remember that $5880 (or even $6200 as Bruce claims) is only a small portion of the entire ransom loot. It’s supposedly found nowhere near where it “should” be found. Now, if you’ve carefully studied the FBI files, as I have been doing and continue to do, these files indicate a flight path that’s far different from the conventional narrative that the FBI has been peddling. As much as I’ve pointed out the file that indicates a “possible” LeCenter area jump zone, and that this same file came from the concurrence of two separate and credible entities, and NOT the FBI, this then shows a clearer flight path, but you still have to hold on before locking things down. This same flight path also shows that there’s no sensible reason for the jet to have been over the Washougal area. It also shows that the jet crossed the east-west portion of the Columbia river. Stick with this flight path, it’s substantiated by NWA and a Portland based radar station. File 12, page 166 has a report of a possible Aurora Field drop zone near McDonald Oregon. Lots of real estate lies further south too. What if….just what if you’re Cooper and your role is to put one over on the FBI?
Cooper was no idiot, and anyone that’s ever studied the 1932 Lindbergh case, knows that the money is too hot to spend in any quantity. (There’s a possible exception to this line of reasoning. but I doubt that ransom money was ever the true goal here.) The odd amount of cash found is a “monkey wrench” in terms of reasoning. That is unless you can come up with a plausible explanation for it being an odd amount. How can $120 to $320 simply be parted from that bundle of cash unless it was manually removed? Here’s my guess, and it’s partially based on my experience in studying how the guy that I suspect, liked to operate: I think that he was a gang member, a part of a criminal network. He was a “think-tank” type of a planner, but not the guy that makes the final decision to “go.” I think that he retained a small portion of the cash, as not only a souvenir, but also a insurance money, so that he didn’t become a candidate for cement overshoes. He probably did this entire operation all by himself. Especially if he was provided all of the right hardware. If this thing wasn’t CIA, it was a rogue element that had moles within the CIA or whatever military branch that you wanna suspect. Nonetheless, it was sophisticated.
Again, how can you plausibly explain the separation of that money from the bulk of the money by any natural forces? Think! That’s not very likely to happen randomly. Possible…yes, probable, no. Did that bundle fall into the east-west portion of the Columbia river and make it’s way upstream? Was it planted? Was it found somewhere other than Tena bar?
Did Zodiac Jack keep a secret diary, or a journal? Maybe? Hey, one of the handwritten letters sent in to the FBI has “high jack” handwritten on it! High on Bourbon? Get it? Liquid courage? No wonder he was so calm!
I know 377 has a lot of influence with the deployment on the stairs..IMO, it would of lit up like a light had they jumped from the stairs..it’s a lot harder looking for a single body vs a big white canopy coming out the back of a 727…weather was on his side, and I believe the FBI was not as organized as they should have been…they had a lot of trouble with the timing of the jump..then you have the oscillation vs the pressure bump timing..only one is reported on the flight transcripts..the search area was changed several times due to new data being made available.
Remember that Cooper had the passenger compartment lights turned off. It may have seemed that Cooper made a LeCenter jump, but he could have faked that too. This was a sophisticated operation, front to back. The technology to make an accurate jump was already well established by 1971. The FBI found two sources for miniature marker beacon receivers. No one as smart and as well informed as this guy obviously was is gonna make a blind jump. He had a ground target. The FBI files show this same line of reasoning.
He did have a ground target and did a test run the weekend before turkey day. Somebody had called the Eugene tower in Oregon reporting a low flying plane dropping flares over cottage grove Oregon. Well guess where my suspect James klansnic brother dick klansnic lived at the time and up until his death cottage grove! I don’t know about all the Jon Bennett and zodiac nonsense your spewing but your spot on about this my friend!
The FBI files are clear that they were comparing the taunting Cooper documents to the Zodiac killer’s documents and rightfully so. The FBI brass undermined that connection and wrongfully so. Except for possibly the “Elvis” letter, all of those same documents have both obvious and subtle hints of linkage. I avoid the word “believe” in talking about this stuff, because none of it is “faith based” for me, it’s “factually” based and on clear and repeatable evidence. Her name was spelled JonBenet’, and it’s not nonsense what I report, it’s based on provable evidence. You taunting me doesn’t impress me. This MB doesn’t impress me as being on the up and up, Bruce.
Shutter45 says in part:
“No, Cooper didn’t do anything stupid at that point?..he failed to notice no D-rings on the front chutes, gave no route to follow, got the wrong bag he requested, and apparently failed to notice a dummy chute was involved..several things that fit into his “no funny stuff” demands..you have to be pretty stupid to do this in the beginning..”
1) You don’t know if he noticed the missing D rings or not. And by that time it was too late to do anything about it. 2) Not giving a route, since he jumped far in advance of Reno, only proves any route he would have given would be phony anyway, since he had no intention of remaining aboard long. Every city he named was just a ruse. 3) Dummy chute…again no one knows, but since it couldn’t be attached and it wasn’t found on board, most likely he just pitched it out the back. 4) The wrong bag was not his fault, but he used it anyway.
Tina Bar money does NOT prove ‘something went wrong on the way down,’ because the money was found at least six miles west of the flight path, with three bundles found in the same spot. I don’t pretend to know how it got there, but I’m not willing to accept that the jet was six or more miles west of the flight path presented by the FBI. That’s Robert99’s theory, that the jet was actually flying over Tina Bar, far to the west. I have seen nothing to convince me the map created by the radar information and Paul Soderlind’s team from NWA was that far off. I have discussed this before, and have said two things. First, the jet was being followed, and those jets were also being tracked by radar, giving the flight path a great deal of credibility. Second, that the folks on the ground in Seattle had a few hours to ‘make ready’ to track the flight. Third, that if radar were that inaccurate, jets would be crashing into each other all the time. Lastly, that the location of the placard supports the official flight path of 305.
Truth is, the Tina Bar money is of the great mysteries of the Cooper case, and impossible to explain without further evidence. It is the biggest anomaly of all. My personal theory over the years has developed into this: I think the money was purposely thrown into the Columbia River in an effort to toss a ‘red herring’ into the case. And that this was done sometime after November 24, 1976 when the FBI bypassed the Statute of Limitations and obtained their famous ‘John Doe’ warrant for the hijacker. I think the money was placed inside something else, perhaps a paper bag, and thrown into the river. But instead of floating up somewhere and being found weeks or months later, it sank to the bottom of the Columbia and was dredged to the spot it was finally found. This theory may not be completely right, but it fits many of the facts…especially the ones regarding the flight path.
B minus.
That theory does not make sense.
So, if someone finds the money on a riverbank, inside a paper bag (or inside anything for that matter), what does that prove? How does that throw the FBI off?
Here’s what it proves: That Cooper Survived. There is no way that Cooper dies in the jump and yet some of his money arrives on a river bank in a paper bag. It’s physically impossible. Robert, earlier in this thread, you brought up Occam. Occam certainly would not support such a ridiculous theory.
Well, the paper bag was just a guess. But it’s hard to explain how three bundles of the money ended up in the exact same spot, and together…miles from the path of the jet. I used to think it was a plant, but later on…I figured out that didn’t make sense because it would be a waste to bury it. No one would find it other than a ten million to one shot, as Brian Ingram did. That damned Tina Bar money…asks more questions than it answers.
In the Geoff Gray book, Tom Kaye grudgingly says that he thinks ‘human intervention’ was somehow involved. So do I. But like everyone else who has looked at the Tina Bar money, I can’t figure out exactly HOW. It’s like a trick from a magician or something. Plane was HERE. Poof! But money turns up over THERE.
I guess the bottom line is that I don’t believe it simply fell from the sky, and that yes…human intervention was somehow involved. There are as many guesses and theories to that money as the number of suspects investigated by the FBI in the case.
Oh, so you are jumping out of a plane and you fail to “notice” critical parts of a parachute, then you blow it off like it’s no big deal? I guess the “no funny stuff'” was only at the beginning.
R99 is a long time pilot, skydiver, and aeronautical engineer and you wish to blow him off due to the flight path being 6 miles off? neither one of us come close to his qualifications, including 377. I’m not sold on his theory, but I do listen to what he says about the theory instead of shooting him down like you have been doing for years. a lot of evidence states he could be wrong, but it seems people like you decide when it’s time to change known evidence, like height for instance.
something that’s really hard to beat is the fact of Tina being the same height as Kenny, and yet when she stood next to Cooper she fails to say Cooper was the same height as she was.
Tom Kaye does not believe it was “human intervention” quote from his site “If natural means provides no plausible answer, then the other two possibilities are mechanical or human intervention.” books are known to be wrong (you know that one) I’ll take what Tom Kaye states on his website over a book quote any day! did you fix all the error’s in the book “Into The Blast” the one producers are using and basing as fact for a possible film?
money sinks, and a paper bag would not survive long in the water. Jo Weber had the original idea of the money being tossed in the river via paper bag.
How does one throw off the FBI when they were never on to him in the first place? Colbert also uses this clause. he thinks $50,000 was “tossed” to throw them off into believing Cooper died. you have to buy into his theory, you can’t have it one way…it’s more money and more chances..
Exactly Shut he was never on fbi’s radar as they were looking for the wrong profile I believe. I just responded to a comment about klansnic in another post here on the mountain news. I’ll repost as I believe it’s fitting. The poster asked how klansnic was found and why klansnic was never looked at by the fbi considering his striking resemblance to cooper, being a shot down pow, and being of German heritage here was my response. Boeing directory…he hid in plane sight best place to hide imo… went back to work on Monday carried on with normal life which if you take into consideration no body/chute was found and no missing persons reported in the states with in 3 days of the hijacking it backs that up. Klansnic did the deed and went back to biz as usual.He wasnt a criminal and never in trouble with the law… I believe himmi was looking for a dirty rotten criminal to quote him. Klansnic didn’t need the money wasn’t about the mula it was about the government stopping funding on sst which he put in a great deal of work into the project on the break system and so many of his coworkers losing their jobs. My guess is fbi did look at Boeing people but focused on ones who were laid off and or had criminal backgrounds…FBI agent Williams was just as surprised as you when she learned the details of klansnic…when she typed his name in the computer and nothing came up her exact words were my goodness how did we miss this guy! Ive been going through klansnic with a fine comb and too many things add up for him not to be cooper. Every box I’ve looked to check he’s darn well checked it and I actually challenge anybody to find something that goes against klansnic you’ll be hard pressed. Give it a go shut, I know how you love to shoot down suspects so have at it!
If you want to ask why a family man with a great life and job risk it all? The fbi would of made that same obvious assumption and klansnic would of never peeked their interest. The answer is simple for me klansnic did it because he knew he could! He didn’t see it as a risk like us lamens do. Klansnic thought of himself as a real life James Bond..his coworkers called him agent orange lol. There was not a doubt in is mind he could carry out this mission and that’s exactly what it would of taken to pull this off…He was that confident in his abilities and for good reason as we see now!
Editor:
Gentlemen – we are back in the Danger Zone of name-calling and accusations. NO MORE!
I have no knowledge of Colbert. All I know is he hosted a TV show trying to foist off a 29-year-old guy as Cooper. A guy with blue eyes. Even we got a little closer to reality than that. 🙂
I stayed up late prepping gear and saw all this. No big deal. I’m bailing town in the late morning for a few days. A vacation is definitely called for. I’ve been putting my nose to the grindstone since last September. I wish you all the best until I return.
Yes, and you replace it with a short bald guy, so don’t go bashing Colbert….
Has Tom Kaye even said anything about the money find since the KATU video came to light? That video is a game changer for those with plant theories or even those who thought a plant was possible. I’d be willing to bet that Kaye does not support human intervention at this point.
Face the facts that the Tena bar money find doesn’t jibe and it probably never will be resolved, unless a verifiable diary turns up that explains the whole thing. It’s a paradox. Study the early FBI reports in order to get a good idea of what the actual flight path was. Avoid being led astray by the FBI brass.
I’m past thinking that this is a phony message board. If I’m wrong in thinking that this MB is a phony put on, then why don’t one of you geniuses answer whether the Columbia river gets ice flows? Some message board…dominated by Blevins with pile after pile of random nonsense. Exactly what we see in all of the crime cases that the documents link.
C minus. Going after messenger alone does not resolve your questions. Try going deeper.
I would have gone with a D minus, Johnnie. Bashing the messenger is an old game not worthy of debate.
I didn’t bash any messengers, I have been critical of the messages. I made an earlier response to Johnnie Green, where is it Bruce?
Censoring things that I’ve posted isn’t cool.
Editor’s Note: I made an earlier edit to this thread, removing objectionable material. Specifically, in my professional opinion, I felt certain comments calling another poster a “troll,” and other personal characterizations was hostile, provocative, and sufficiently off-topic to warrant being trashed. Normally, I would have announced my actions at the same time but my ride to the dentist came early and I had to leave my desk prematurely.
I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Further, if anyone’s behavior at this forum causes grief to another poster, a brief comment to that affect is appropriate but it must follow certain guidelines;
1. Be specific on how it affects this discussion and your ability to contribute.
2. Use “I” language, not “you” language. Eg: “I think you are acting like a troll and it prevents me from thinking straight,” instead of: “You’re a troll and don’t deserve to live,” etc.
3. Remember, off-topic, non-DBC commentary is judged very harshly by yours truly, and no one ever gets a “benefit of the doubt.” If I think it’s gotta go, it goes.
Ha. Fair enough, Bruce. But can we take an occasional shot at you?
Taking Shots: Guidelines:
The rules for taking “shots” at anyone here are the same as taking shots at anyone in group therapy. In short: NO.
But you can object to my behaviors or what I say as long as you frame them as your comments, feelings, thoughts, speculations, opinions, etc.
Example: You can never say: “Bruce, you are a terrible editor.” Rather say: “Bruce, I think a mentally deficient idiot could run this magazine better than you.”
But remember, commentary directed at other posters is viewed in the harshest light as being off-topic and journalistically undesirable. Hence, if I deem it too ugly it will get scrubbed without a second thought.
Along those lines, if this running commentary gets too burdensome for me to monitor, I am inclined to shut the whole thing off.
Lol. Yeah, but what are going to do if Georger says, “Bruce, you are a terrible editor,” and he says it over at Shutters site? Ban Shutter?
No. Shutter knows that I know that Georger is the only one responsible for what G. says. Shutter runs a tight ship at the DBC Forum, so any bad behavior there has to be understood in context.
Now, Johnnie, if you really have to DUMP on me, just email. A private rant is different than a public tantrum. Wider rules apply.
I think we need to cut Bruce a little slack here. this is sort of a new avenue for Bruce trying to control what is said on his forum. it’s not an easy job. it should be but unfortunately things get out of hand every so often. it’s very hard to please everyone. Bruce has spoken out asking people to contact him in regards to these issues. take advantage of this, Bruce can learn a lot from multiple opinions. I seriously doubt his intentions are to “censor” people vs trying to do the right thing.
Sure, I have said negative things about Bruce in the past. I’ve also been in his corner many times when he’s against the wall. I believe we have mutual respect for each other. Bruce has done a lot for the Cooper community. he has interviewed lots of key people tied to the Cooper case. I applaud him for that. I don’t have all the answers, nor do I claim to have them. I try to look at things logically..
Shutter
So, I post a criticism of the “squidding” concept and it’s taken as a personal attack?
Editor’s Note:
Additional Guidelines. Re: Personal Attacks
It is clear that some of you LOVE to make personal attacks. Thus I am offering additional guidelines to more fully understand what is acceptable and not, and why some of your posts might be erased by me:
1. Personal attacks, where an individual’s name is mentioned and ungraceful behavioral characteristics are described, is generally unacceptable and will be erased. I am the sole arbiter of your poor taste.
2. Any attacks on me – for any reason – will be erased immediately without explanation. The reason for this is I just don’t want to see any ugliness in my magazine. Remember, it’s mine, not yours. I know that may not sound fair, but it is the way it is.
3. Blevins Bashing is generally considered to be a separate category because he has written a book about DB Cooper, and its material along with RMB, have been featured in a Brad Meltzer Uncoded TV show. Hence, he is a public figure, and his material is subject to lots of commentary, especially since so much of it has been proven to be untrue, misleading, or just plain stupid.
4. For those of you who feel an absolute compunction to tell me that I’m censoring you, or to describe in detail how Big a Jerk I Really Am, please send me your concerns in an email. If warranted, I promise to re-post your email here as a courtesy to you and the other posters.
5. I no longer will attempt to perform surgical editing procedures, whereby I remove unacceptable passages from your post in a selective manner. To wit: once I see something “Not Good,” the whole thing goes.
Capise?
So, I criticize the “squidding” concept and it gets interpreted as a personal attack?
No. Critique-ing the squidding thing is fine. But “Bruce this,” and Bruce that,” and “Why does Bruce do such and such,” are considered personal attacks.
I’ve read some heavy-handed remarks against Bruce by someone called “shutter”, and now I’m reading a “be nice to Bruce” message from another posting labeled as having come from “shutter”?
I’ve never claimed to be consistent, particularly in regard to other people’s criteria of what they think I should have done to be consistent.
Corralling cats is an uneven business. Not all cats are gonna feel they are treated equally. Sigh.
Quote: “3. Blevins Bashing is generally considered to be a separate category because he has written a book about DB Cooper, and its material along with RMB, have been featured in a Brad Meltzer Uncoded TV show. Hence, he is a public figure, and his material is subject to lots of commentary, especially since so much of it has been proven to be untrue, misleading, or just plain stupid.” Unquote.
OK, then why has Blevins been allowed to flood and dominate this thread? I only refer to persons as trolls if they act like trolls. I’m not here to humiliate people, but I will respond in kind to those that practice said same.
There is a fundamental flaw in your statement: “I only refer to persons as trolls if they act like trolls.”
You can not do that here. Definitive, disparaging statements are not allowed.
What I will allow is for you to make a statement like: I THINK you are a troll because you do such-and-such.
But as I have stated repeatedly, all such comments are frowned upon because they are off-topic. Although trash-talking is fun, it is not welcomed here.
As for Blevins, it is possible that I allow him to get away with murder, so to speak, because I am probably numb to his antics. But I will keep a closer eye on his postings. But, as I have stated elsewhere, Sir Robert is a Master of Spin, imo, so he is skilled at sliding his way past the censors by qualifying his comments sufficiently to keep my finger away from the DELETE button.
OK, here’s some more “food for thought” on the cases that Nanette and I link via the documents. Nanette links far more of cases than I do. “Organized disinformation” is today’s point and observation. I can show that this is an overt feature of all of the crimes that I focus on. I’ll stick with the Cooper case, the California Zodiac killer cases, and the Ramsey case. Since the Ramsey case is the most recent, coupled with the fact that this is a Cooper forum, I’ll cite examples of the subject of “organized disinformation,” primarily among these, leading off with the Ramsey case. “Organized disinformation=attempts to control the narratives by the so-called “Deep State” and the “fake news” cabal. Bear in mind that I hold the BD or Black Dahlia case as a “right hook,” so to speak. It too was laced with “organized disinformation.”
I’ve witnessed these “organized disinformation” campaigns ramp up in very recent times. To wit: In Sept of 2016 CBS aired ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey’, produced by Critical Content, was by far one of the most blatant cases of wholesale lying to the public in memory. Rather than me re-hashing the key points, I invite others to read the Burke, and now John Ramsey lawsuits filed against the parties responsible for those abominations, found in detail on L Lin Wood’s web page links. As journalist Steven Singular and his wife have pointed out, “It was an apparent attempt at wholesale prospective jury tampering.” ( I’ve paraphrased their remarks as closely as I can currently recall.) The collective observation was that the show was done for “ratings,” which is something that I’m in adamant disagreement with. I charge that “rating” is a very very flimsy and very very false excuse. Mr Wood has to “focus” his lawsuits, so I don’t fault him for that stance, which I’m sure he takes for the sake of fair and reasonable legal expediency.
I’ve witnessed the same sort of campaign taking place regarding the Cooper case and ramping up in early 2015… and practically directly after posting my thread titled: ‘The DB Cooper caper and Zodiac Jack linked?….Absolutely says the sum of the evidence!’ by TerryB.
The Sept 2016 Case of JonBenet Ramsey that CBS aired was designed to put false focus on her then 9 year old brother Burke. The ramping up of the Cooper subject was taking place to put false focus on a number of persons whose names have been mentioned regarding the Cooper case, like Rackstraw and Christiansen, etc, etc. The Zodiac killer case has several false candidate suspects listed. Former LA detective and author Steve Hodel links his dad Dr. George Hodel as having been the killer in both the Black Dahlia’s murder, and the Zodiac cases. His work on the document comparisons is good, but guess what? His dad was a short little fellow that always wore a mustache, and the person that murdered Paul Stine, in no way resembles Dr. George Hodel’s description! None of the “darling” suspects descriptions ever named in the Zodiac killer cases fits…except that of Jack Tarrance. And the organized opposition to including Tarrance has been baseless and fierce!
Now comes the “fake news” promotion of one Edward Wayne Edwards, as having done both the Zodiac crimes and the Ramsey crimes. But guess what? Edwards was an idiot punk that took out a life insurance policy on his stepson and murdered him! Proving himself to be one very very dumb SOB indeed! That’s been the whole profile of Edwards lousy life. Who’s dumber, Edwards or the “fake media” network?
I was pointing out that I don’t believe Bruce is trying to censor people, or believe that’s his intention. I don’t have any jurisdiction here, only advice. I believe you have a good head on your shoulders. perhaps you should talk directly to Bruce in trying to resolve this issue.
Join the club, Terry. Bruce has taken a slice out of me too. He plays no favorites.
Correct.
Bruce Smith says in part:
‘3. Blevins Bashing is generally considered to be a separate category because he has written a book about DB Cooper, and its material along with RMB, have been featured in a Brad Meltzer Uncoded TV show. Hence, he is a public figure, and his material is subject to lots of commentary, especially since so much of it has been proven to be untrue, misleading, or just plain stupid….;
Excuse me for living there, Bruce. You’re talking about someone who has edited more than SIXTY books to date, written five of my own, and organized a sci-fi anthology that contains 48 different stories from 44 different authors WORLDWIDE. Believe it or not, that puts me into the realm of the ‘Not Stupid’. I have also seen your recent comments about me done last week at the Cooper Forum, which of course I cannot respond to in person. Other members there often take advantage of that fact, as you do.
However, I never said I was a private detective or a professional Cooper investigator. I was handed a job and I did the best I could. I haven’t harped on lately about Kenny Christiansen and Bernie Geestman’s role in the hijacking, because I thought it wouldn’t be fair to ‘real’ Cooper investigators. The reason being…none of you know what we know NOW about those two, and due to the confidentiality agreement with the film companies, I can’t tell you right now. But let me say this: I think we have these two dead to rights and I don’t believe two film companies would put up the money it’s going to cost them to make the first-ever dramatic feature film on the hijacking if they thought I was stupid. Or a liar, as some of you out there in Cooperland are so free to toss around about me.
I got to the truth not because I was so damn smart, or such a good detective, but because I used manners and persistence. And…when people lie to me this really gets my back up and then I’m going to find out why they did, and what they have to hide. Even if it takes a lot of travel, a bunch of expenses, many interviews, much research, and years to do it.
You want to talk stupid? How about someone who turns down $15,000 and a film credit for their book simply to review maybe 20-25 pages of a movie script for accuracy? On a subject they are well versed on. Maybe I wouldn’t call it stupid. Maybe just foolish.
If you are going to post up a bunch of ‘no personal attack’ rules, and then attack others yourself on other websites, (like the Cooper Forum, for example) maybe you should practice what you preach. You and your friends over there have come after me personally for a number of years now. But when I tried to respond, your buddy Shutter went whining to our server about it. Meanwhile, he allows attacks using my name over there, and has a page specially created for that called ‘Suspects,’ which in reality concerns only ONE suspect, LOL.
Oh…I returned from the camping trip this afternoon. It was a lot of fun. All the gear checked out fine. 🙂
Welcome home, Bob.
more false accusations that continue to flow…I didn’t shut down Roberts forum..he did that by himself. also, the suspect page features a suspect and at the bottom (large text) is a link to this site with all the known suspects…you have to do something wrong to get shut down..look way above in the comments and you will see Mr. Blevins brings my name into the conversation…I wasn’t the topic either…
Hello Shutter: No one’s accusing of you of anything except perhaps being a bit phony. The RMB, Blevs, Blevins, etc postings at your website are many and legend. As far as disputes regarding what we’ve said about each other on each other’s sites, that is no longer a problem. I absolutely forbid any mention of you, your members, or your site in a negative manner at the AB message board.
I don’t think I want to make any further posts to the Mountain News column. At least not for now.
and yet, more accusations…
Accusations of what? You’re going to try and tell me my name never appears at your place? Come ON, man…as they say in the NFL bit. 🙂 It’s no big deal and we shouldn’t discuss these things here. Aint fair to Bruce.
BTW: Please inform Georger that I do NOT make hang up calls to people, LOL. If he wants to check his Caller ID, check this: 253-929-62XX (home/office) and 253-670-57XX ( my cell). The office/home phone is publicly available at the main AB Site. Would be pretty foolish of me, don’t you think?
Do you ever actually fact-check anything said about me over there, or just allow it because it’s negative and has my name attached to it? Just wondering. 🙂
do you really believe this belongs here Robert…it’s not my job to inform anyone of anything coming from you Robert..this is the second time in a week you were gone from the Cooper community? talk to Georger directly and stop asking me to be your messenger.
Can’t post any response to your site, Shutter. I’m banned there. You know that. Also can’t private message him and don’t know his email. To a certain extent, it IS your responsibility if he’s going to make comments like I’m doing hang up calls on him and offers no proof. It’s YOUR site, and that makes you responsible for all content allowed there….just sayin’.
That’s not my problem, nor is it the problem to continue the conversation…..
I heard about the rambling going on over here so I had to stop by to see for myself. This thread reminds me of the old days at the Drop Zone about 10 years ago. Same arguments over suspects and it will never change. No one has the proofs to satisfy the FBI or to elevate the debate. The research has also been stymied, as there seems no new evidence coming forth. I tried to give you people the tools to take it to the next level but your only intent seems to argue amongst yourselves over who has the best suspect. I can’t believe Jo hasn’t found this yet. Good luck controling the flow, Bruce.
Thanks, Sluggo. Glad to see you’re still around. I dispute some of your claims, though, that nothing is new. The 100K particles on the tie are new. Plus, we’ve dug a little deeper on the T-Bar find. I think the KATU video and its confirmation on the shards rules out any consideration of a plant.
What do you think of Robert 99’stheory of an LZ at T-Bar, with a flight path over the northern reach of the Columbia past T-Bar?
I didn’t mean to imply that the flight went right over Tena bar. If you draw a line from about 1 mile east of LeCenter, to McDonald Oregon’s Aurora Field, you get an idea where the jet crossed the east-west portion Columbia River, which is downstream from Washougal, but upstream of Tena bar. I’ve read much of Colbert’s stuff, and he’s loud about the money having been planted, and claims additional evidence supporting this, beyond his criticism of the Ingram’s. I think the term was “human intervention,” purportedly used by the FBI. I saw the shards report a long time ago, and it seems to me that it was stated that none of the pieces were large enough to prove they were from the Cooper loot. “Objective” is the keyword to my way of trying to sort things out. Colbert is simply reckless at times, and violates “objectivity” to suit is immediate purposes. I’m not trying to be “mean” in stating this observation.
‘That’s not my problem, nor is it the problem to continue the conversation…..’ (says Shutter)
Okay. Then who’s problem IS it? (If I knew you actually read messages from me, I would just email you about this, you know. Rather than going public. If someone at the AB Forum had the nerve to accuse you of making hang up calls, I would delete their comment in a quick, fast, New York hurry and demand PROOF. But that’s just me. 🙂 )
Yes. I would like to hear Sluggo’s comments on the Tina Bar Flight Path theory, as well.
Robert, you need to stop with the accusations towards me..it appears you can make them against me (nicky) but whine when someone says something against you…you need to contact the source. I don’t know if it’s true or not…it’s not my job to track down who is making phone calls to who..you didn’t seem to try and resolve any truth with Nicky prior to commenting..you were banned for bad behavior. I can’t change the past. you continue to tie up the tread with off topic rants…Georger made the comment, contact Georger…you made the comment against me, I confronted you…take this elsewhere…I don’t wish to hear about it anymore…
Bruce?
Your suggestions are noted, but I have no way of contacting Georger. It doesn’t matter. He will see my response over at Quickie Updates eventually. I know his IP address and it shows up in the guest log from time to time. No big deal.
NickyB used your name and claimed you paid him to join our site for the express purpose of viewing a members-only thread, and then made additional threats in your name as well. I had no way of contacting you for verification on his claims, since you blocked all contact access, remember? The end result is that he made fools out of BOTH of us. Water under the bridge. Lesson is, I won’t email you unless it’s absolutely necessary and you should NOT block them just in case something like that happens again. You are running the biggest website on DB Cooper out there. And we both know there are Cooper Nuts out there. If someone tries that on you/me again, I will at least TRY to email you about it. Otherwise, I see no point in contacting you. But for something like that, I surely would try to verify.
Back to DB Cooper…I would really like to hear Sluggo’s opinion on the Robert99 theory concerning the flight path. That is a guy whose opinions I respect greatly.
Robert, you are foolish to believe I would pay someone online to defend me..that’s foolish in itself. I have absolutely no reason to pull such a stunt, let alone pay out for something like this..it only shows how foolish you can be in possibly believing such a thing..it’s not water under the bridge, you made it appear to be true..I don’t need to pay anyone to gain access to your site Robert..I don’t ask people to do it either…you are not a threat to me, never have been..I’ve told you in the past…I don’t want to be involved with you in anything, period..it’s my choice. it’s not a loss either. dangling money doesn’t work either..I’m not in this for fortune or fame..you speak of money often which speaks volumes…
again, this has nothing to do with this thread…please stop responding with off topic comments..no reason for a reply..
Look…I said long ago I BELIEVED you. You saw his emails. He said he was your lawyer, and that you paid him to do what he did. I had no way to verify his claims, or his additional threats in those emails…because you blocked all messaging. You even said things publicly about that blocking.
I think we both learned a lesson here with NickyB. You might keep an open line in case anything like that happens again, and I have severely restricted registration and content at the AB message board.
For the 50th time Robert…you made it sound like it was true, period.
QUOTE from Robert “No comment. It is what it is. This is a guy who bitched, complained, motivated a guy like NickyB to join our site under false pretenses just to keep track of any defense we might make.” accused “in a New York hurry”
You flat out accused me Robert..YOU, need the lesson learned about accusing people before all the facts are established! I have zero blame for something I had no knowledge of in the first place. the false accusation was brought up by you, and only you. it was written as if you believed it 100%…written solely to do damage to my reputation. stop acting like the victim…it doesn’t read “Shutter, I can’t contact you, look what Nicky is saying about you” far from what you stated..
no apology, only shift in blame! in fact, you even went as far as to claim I insulted you! this is grounds for removal by most forums online. 3 people “bypassed” you, it’s not the other way around, just more false accusations, Robert! you tried to blame me for that for over a year!
I didn’t come onto this thread claiming you were calling and hanging up on one of my members, you brought that up as well. that’s between you and the accuser…it’s hardly anything close to conspiring with someone to do harm..you have been slinging mud here for some time now..totally off topic comments started by you….you made claims a week ago, and just yesterday about moving on, well?
Well…after reading all that, let me say this: Your history regarding AB of Seattle and me personally does not inspire confidence. There are HUNDREDS of negative comments about both those subjects existing at your website. We sometimes responded to them at the AB Forum. You complained to our server about that, and we were shut down because of that at least once. We’ve (AB staff Greg, Gayla, and myself) seen one negative post after another, and this has been going on for years. Sometimes you’ve posted, “No more talking about RMB…” and a few days later you and yours were back at it again.
Once, we finally took down every single reference to you we could find, and that still didn’t make you happy. Meanwhile, you are blocking every avenue of contact and bragging about it. So when NickyB and his cute little trick came along, and we found out at Facebook he was supposedly a lawyer, and claimed to represent you…and even made additional threats in your name…we sort of believed him. Why not? Your history was crystal-clear to us. Some of your members have even gone after Gayla occasionally.
And by the time we managed to get your attention by going public with Nicky’s emails, the damage was already done. However…after reading your responses everyone here decided to believe you. That you DIDN’T authorize Nicky to do what he did, and had no knowledge of it. If we could have contacted you somehow, there would have been no need to go public, but you outright bragged that you had cut off all contact, and rejected all emails.
So…no. I don’t think an apology is warranted to you here. The good news is that I am very happy with moving the new AB Forum away from DB Cooper and onto other things, whether we have many members or not. It’s not a big deal, and besides, it creates less controversy.
T-Bar shards:
Although you just posted today, it is situated a few posts back,Terry. In it you say:
“I saw the shards report a long time ago, and it seems to me that it was stated that none of the pieces were large enough to prove they were from the Cooper loot.”
But now – what do you think about the information and sources that have been shared with you in recent weeks that the shards were in fact large enough to carry serial numbers and thus proven to be from the Cooper ransom?
There is no doubt in my mind that the shards found at T-Bar are from the Cooper ransom. How come there still seems to be some doubt in yours?
The chronology of that report “seems” suspicious to me. The FBI officials always seemed a little too biased towards Cooper dying in the jump. As far as any shards serial numbers, I don’t recall hearing that at the time I saw that report, I recall hearing the opposite. Admittedly, this was some
time ago, however; my memory is pretty good about a yeah, or nay on something like this. These are the three basic reasons. For example, Carr, I think it was, stated that he thought that Cooper tumbled out the back of the jet, yet, and as you know, McCoy proved the jump to be very doable. If they have these shards, how much cash does it tend to represent?
I’m sure the shards are from the ransom bills, but even THINKING about the Tina Bar money can give you a headache sometimes, I swear. Nothing like evidence that answers little and creates confusion.
Nothing about the shards being found or the money – I was in the car in 1978 when he told me to stay in the car and he went down to the river and behind a building (which I thought was a house) with shutters on it…he demanded I stay in the car – he came back to the car and he put a paper sack on the floor board. Then we went to the Red Lion on the Washington side before you got to the bridge…he told me to go get us some soda and snacks – he told me where they were an that a bath room was there also…
When he went around to the back & when I got there he was standing on the pilings and I asked him what he was doing – “Just watching that bag going down the river” I couldn’t see it but he had eyes like an eagle….I know I jumped all over him about littering and contaminating the water ways…and being a litter bug. He just had this look of satisfaction on his face.
He pointed across the river point to an area to the west and stated he knew a friend who lived there… low income home area that was built for those who could not afford a home other wise.
Took me a while – to post – but felt this was important for you guys to know – just the new ones.
But remember, commentary directed at other posters is viewed in the harshest light as being off-topic and journalistically undesirable. Hence, if I deem it too ugly it will get scrubbed without a second thought.
False accusation (RMB)
“This is a guy who bitched, complained, motivated a guy like NickyB to join our site under false pretenses just to keep track of any defense we might make.”
False accusation #2 (RMB)
“so he sends in his shill NickyB to do it for him. Next day…site was shut down again.”
False accusation #3 &4 (RMB)
I don’t even know who the producers are…
” tell me you’re also going after the main AB of Seattle website, as well as trying to convince producers to stop the Cooper picture.”
False accusation #5 (RMB)
‘The last time he shut us down he did it by having his buddy Nicky B join under false pretenses just to get a look at a closed thread that no one was seeing anyway except me.”
‘I already said it was possible Nicky claimed to represent you, and never told you about it. In one of his messages after the shutdown, he calls you ‘Dave Shutter,’ which I found strange.”
“That is correct, but I explained to Shutter a couple of times privately why they weren’t going to do that, and he couldn’t accept that outside visitors might view his website in a negative light.”
Never said anything connected to the above…ZERO!
This is beyond ridiculous..he had a pretty good idea this was false but continued to drive it as truth. he was banned for behavior issue similar to what’s going on here, and yet he plays the victim? it’s his fault he can’t contact people due to his behavior, not my fault! then he claims the producers didn’t like my site, or the people, and a month later says, hey, Robert, get a hold of these guys..?
Robert posted Georger’s phone number which got him shut down the first time…then he fills his forum up with threads dedicated to me, takes information off my forum by using a proxy server, or VPN. he posted the comment from my site on this thread within a very short time..within an hour or so..
How much more off topic do you need to step in on this?
Shutter, I know you asked to have the offending material from RMB removed and I said that I would. However, at this point I think your rebuttal is clear enough and should stand on its own. However, RMB’s attacks on you are peppered throughout his commentary. To cleanse the MN of his accusations of you means, in effect, scrubbing all of his posts. Do you really want me to do that, or shall we just leave your declarations as they are here – kind of like Martin Luther’s nailing his documents to the church door so long ago.
Here he implies that they will attempt illegal activity to gain access to my forum!
And yes…I can still access a certain site. The Site That Cannot Be Named. And even if I couldn’t, somehow…Greg the Techie Guy can.
I’m the hawk, right?
I will just say what Bruce will say: This isn’t the Court of Public Opinion on Websites. It’s a news column. Some of these things could have been avoided had you actually forced your own members to cease and desist with the personal negative comments…a thing you said you were going to do yourself several times. Also, I have an email address. But apparently you didn’t accept some messages. And I never told you to ‘get hold’ of the film producers Dave. I’m not allowed to reveal their names right now. I suggested I might be able to intercede if your site and some of its members wanted ‘in’ regarding certain roles in the picture. Two were paying jobs, offered to Bruce, the other to MartyB. I saw posts over there saying you thought we were actually LYING about that.
The NickyB incident HAS a positive side, believe it or not. First, no one at AB is keeping tabs on your site anymore. (Can’t blame us for that, you guys were getting pretty crazy over there with the anti-RMB stuff for a while.) Second, we no longer talk about you, your site, or any of your members at the AB Forum. Third, I took down all the DB Cooper threads and mostly replaced them with harmless car camping notes and trip pictures, and some stuff on the Homeless in Seattle movie.
I want you to imagine something for a moment. I want you to imagine that you open up the Cooper Forum one morning and discover that your site has been completely removed, all content gone, and isn’t coming back….
And then…you get a series of emails from a person who is listed as an attorney on his Facebook page and elsewhere (via Google search) and this person says that I hired him to do that to you. And that now he’s going to go after you in other ways as well. Coincidentally, he’s also the last person who joined your website.
Then you try to contact me to find out what the heck is going on, only you can’t because I blocked all your email. This is the situation we found ourselves in with NickyB. And since we knew you had complained to our server previously, and caused a shutdown at least once before…we had no reason to disbelieve NickyB, since we still could not get hold of you.
I think you would have went through the roof, and landed on the Moon. But I don’t think this situation will ever arise again, because I’m not allowing anyone to do that to us again, nor am I going to give them a reason to come after our relatively harmless website. You really should be directing your anger at Nicholas Broughton a lot more than me. You have his email, since you saw his lying messages. Have you tried to contact him? He caused all this, not me.
we all know Nicky is a liar..I don’t need to talk with him..I’m confronting the person who continued to imply the story was real…the proof is above Robert…you kept throwing it out there, 4,5, 6 times. making sure it’s embedded. I read most of the comments here, a lot come from you talking about me..I don’t go all over the internet telling people you “might” be calling and hanging up on people.
My anger doesn’t fit with Nicky, I’m upset with him, but YOU were the one spreading the rumor..ONLY YOU..I use to debunk ghost videos years ago..I had a guy very similar to your personality always on my butt because I outed him with fake videos..he even tried to say I was a sex offender…this is a walk in the park dude..I never made any agreement with you..that quote is also BS. the ghost guy felt he didn’t have to apologize either! he did the same thing you did..”well maybe I was wrong, might not of been him”…his whole purpose was to plant the idea…
Nicky was playing similar games on my forum, along with sending nasty PM’s to people..I banned him and never heard from him until recently by email, and Bruce being a go between..I said NO…you are the cause of this…you brought it into the room…the right thing to do is apologize.
If you hadn’t blocked all communications with AB…I could have verified all this with you. How the heck did you expect me (us) to do that? Hell…you even take messages from Jo Weber and that takes patience LOL. Of course I ‘brought it into the room’. How the heck else was I going to get your attention and find out the truth. I’ve already explained that because you complained to our server at least once prior…and that we were shut down because of that…we had no reason to disbelieve Nicky’s story. There was a history with you.
It’s true you don’t ‘go out on the internet’ and say I might be doing hang up calls. You just allow it to be said by your members. Same thing, Dave.
Look…do you think we could stop all this discussion on Bruce’s tab? He’s going to get justifiably pissed. I have an email address you know. There is no need for this. As far as NickyB, he probably gets a laugh every time he reads one of our posts. He knows he got over on both of us.
Here’s a funny thing: He actually tried to join the NEW forum at AB. That takes nerve. 🙂 I banned his IP, of course.
Look…why don’t you just admit we were HAD. By Nicky. You got your feelings hurt when I went public, but you didn’t have your website shut down for nothing, either. Just imagine if he did that to YOU…and then said I hired him to do it. I think you would have jumped on the next flight to Seattle to ‘discuss’ it with me. That’s a joke, but nothing is funny about all this.
You want an apology? Fine. I apologize for jumping the gun on you. But the evidence was pretty strong. Site was closed down, Nicky (a lawyer, supposedly) said you hired him to do it. I couldn’t verify with you. You had a history of trying to get us shut down, and once you succeeded. My reaction was rather tame. Had this happened to the Cooper Forum, I think you would have published the emails right away and sent me some rather nasty messages. Which….if I had done that…I would have deserved.
Anything else on this subject should be privately discussed between us. All we’re doing here is giving Nicky a big laugh, you know.
Robert, lets try and rap this up…you were banned for behavior reasons. I didn’t do that, you did. that doesn’t give you the right to just spread the story as truth because you couldn’t get a hold of me..that’s a cop out.
big deal, someone says you are calling them…wow, should I get the A-Team out and find out what the hell is going on, are you seriously going to compare the two? take it up with Georger.
You keep diverting the issue at hand..it’s not a phone call…it’s about what you did here, not over there, or under this, or that…focus…you spread rumors about me that you already had an idea were not true…stay with me…you mentioned it more than enough to insure people seen it..until you were confronted about it by parrot, you never made any indication it was false..from that point forward the truth started coming out…end focus…
(begin haze)
Georger made the comment, he also said he has some sort of security looking into it…I’m not going to followup on this dreadful, horrible out of this world issue…
‘Robert, lets try and rap this up…you were banned for behavior reasons. I didn’t do that, you did…’
Not exactly true. I was PRE-banned when your website first opened. You guys did public discussions about it before you went live, remember? I saw all that. So I joined under a false identity just to show you I could. Two days or so later…I told you exactly who I was. I knew you would ban me. I just didn’t want to be a part of all that over there. I wasn’t there long enough to post much of anything, you know. 🙂 Water under the bridge. Long ago and far away.
It’s a free country Robert…you do the same with the “we already warned them about those guys”
This right here is exactly why you were not allowed on the site…it’s nothing personal Robert. it was my choice. spin it however you wish..you are diverting again..the subject is about you spreading rumors (false accusations) not what happened in 2014…you are still to blame for the reason you are not on the forum…it’s not my fault..
when you want to step up and be a man..let me know…apologizing would be the right thing to do, Robert..seriously…and remember, this is not a courtroom, no plea bargains…
This isn’t about manhood, or the lack of it Dave. I’ve already apologized as much as I will ever do with you. It’s a fact that your site has a record of anti-AB, anti-RMB postings, but you throw a hissy fit if we had the nerve to respond…even getting us shut down once. You feel safe doing this because first…we can’t defend ourselves there. And second…if we do it at the AB Forum, we know you HAVE, and WILL come after us. Those are all facts, and I’ll bet nothing’s changed over there.
As far as the film producers…they were looking in on your site for almost a year before they ever got around to us. No one knew about it. They weren’t impressed because some of you guys practically eat each other’s young over there. You’re famous for that. Not you personally, I mean the site itself. They developed their own opinions, which is why they decided not to contact anyone there. They left that thankless job to me, but all I got for my trouble was some hateful emails and being called a liar. That’s all over now. And yes…when we went into negotiations with these guys, they asked me why everyone in Cooperland was like that. I really had no answer for them. They called it juvenile and silly, and said that in the moviemaking business, people often didn’t get along, but they still acted professionally. Still, they held out some hope that I might be able to convince Bruce to come on board for the script, at least part of it, and maybe Marty as well. They also had hope that your site and its members might want to participate somehow. I’m not sure exactly HOW, but they had something in mind I guess. Later, when they saw postings in reaction to the upcoming picture, they gave up that idea PDQ. But they still wanted me to approach Bruce and Marty.
I’ve seen your recent comments about the script, and how you don’t believe we have some amount of control over that. Yes, we do. To a DEGREE. I get to review the final version and make suggestions. I get to work with the main screenwriter. Some things were established as ground-floor rules. Such as…we will stick to the truth on KC and Geestman as much as possible, with what we currently know about them. I don’t have complete approval, no. Just enough. i insisted on this in the contract because of the ridiculous offer from CBS Films years ago, the guys who ended up going with Geoff Gray’s book. (Five years, no movie yet though.)
I will give you a complete apology if you wish. Sure, I will do that. I will do that when sixty days goes by that one of your members, or you, avoid making negative comments about me, AB of Seattle, etc. I imagine that would be like kicking heroin over at your place, and I’m not holding my breath. It seems you think it’s okay to say whatever you wish about us, but God help me if I were to respond to it at the AB Forum. You would just complain to our server again.
Can we bring Georger in here to serve as referee?
I would, TED, but Georger says that he has blocked my emails. Apparently he doesn’t like me. Sigh.
Meh. Just vote for me. Or both of us. Works either way and my feelings won’t be hurt. All of this stuff is why I took the AB Forum out of the Cooper business and went to other subjects. 🙂
But has Georger ever called you and left messages on your answering machine, Bruce? He’s been known for that kind of thing.
some of you guys practically eat each other’s young over there.
You mean like what you do here? you had me for super several times, no, with the false accusations? how is all this BS different. would the producers give you a medal after reading this thread?
you held your own members hostage to try and get me to lift the ban Robert, you keep saying I’m the bad guy..the producers I have talked with in the past don’t want to hear about drama..
I have to work in the morning…this needs to stop..you were wrong for what you did here…we are not talking about last year, or what was said two months ago..the subject was false accusations made by you..not what your producers think, or the guy down the street. the actions of your behavior here….which is unacceptable…none of this is my fault either..you chose to spin it..again, failure to contact me because of blocks doesn’t give you the right to spin something false into truth…two people are to blame, and I’m not one of them…
Good nite!
I have to put one myth to rest, that I have seen posted here and there, and yes…it is Cooper-related.
The upcoming picture is not really based on our book. That book was published seven years ago, and has some inaccuracies. We also didn’t half of what we know regarding KC and Geestman today. The picture is MOSTLY based on the investigatory files we collected over the years, and a BIG portion of that was discovered after Geestman’s family came forward. Until then, there was no ending. I have suggested to people that this is the reason they never did the Geoff Gray Skyjack movie. Because no one could write the ending. It’s also why no feature film (lot of TV shows, though) has ever been done until now on the hijacking.
“It’s not *really* about the book. It’s about the files…”
“you keep saying I’m the bad guy..the producers I have talked with in the past don’t want to hear about drama..”
I don’t think you’re a bad guy. A little one-sided in your approach with us, (okay to talk badly about us on your website, and allow others to do so, but God help us if we respond.) true.
You’re right about media guys not being interested in drama. Yes, that is also true. Look..instead of just going on over there with whatever…based on half-assed info…why don’t you try going to the source once in a while before making assumptions about us. Like the script comments, for example. People see that stuff you know.
Then they email me sometimes. Then I have to set them straight. “No..what’s actually going on is THIS…” etc. It’s tiresome.
I will tell you one thing, brother. Finally getting out the Cooper business (I’ve already started that process, and the new AB Forum is a good example) will be…
The happiest day of my life. I will do what I must, and then I will leave it alone for good. Hell, I probably deserve what they’re paying me. And no…they understand perfectly why I would say that. 🙂
Bruce is going to have our heads, you know. Email is better. Not this.
Maybe we should have a contest, or let MN posters decide:
Who should be banned: RMB or Shutter?
I vote for voting. But I can’t decide on whom to vote for. Hmmmm. Stay tuned.
I vote to banish both Bruce!
Lol. How bout a duel at ten paces?
Would dueling banjos count? Maybe ad clubs? lol.
Looks like my one little joke to RMB has cause quit the stir! I would just like to address one thing shutter claims I sent nasty pm’s to members of the cooper forum that is 100% untrue and
I demand this claim be backed up with proof ! Please furnish one of this supposed nasty PM’s, You are calling me a liar well looks like it’s the pot calling the kettle black… Shutter is no better then blevins with his false claims and lies… I see why you guys can’t get enough of each other looks like birds of a feather argue together LOL.
Point of order: I have Nicky’s IP address from when he registered at the AB Forum. Just saying. If the person who made the previous comments really IS Nicholas Broughton, this is easily determined. Doesn’t matter anyway, NickyB. I like the new site a whole lot better.
Robert here is an email you sent me as proof….I was tired of the forum thing anyway. Just ignore my friend request at Facebook. I made some updates at our main website at http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com and left it at that. Look…we got our movie deal, the option check for 2018 ran a few thousand dollars, (we’re using it to finance a documentary on the homeless in Seattle) they start production shooting on the movie soon, and basically life is good. Dave and his group mean little to us anymore. And after the movie comes out, I will be out of the Cooper business and back to my regular life. This is much better than being involved in Cooperland, I assure you.
No worries. I’m not going to say anything publicly about all this. Either about you, or Dave, or whatever. It’s actually a relief I don’t have to deal with that forum anymore. I didn’t even bother with creating another one. All future info regarding our involvement in the DB Cooper case will come at the main website, or on my WordPress blogs. We will just leave it at that.
Sincerely yours,
Robert M. Blevins
This is NickyB’s IP address, from ‘show original’ in Google emails, and from his AB Forum registration:
209.85.220.41
Just check that IP with comments in WordPress, or previous registrations at websites for verification.
Shutter can confirm my IP but he is a big fat liar claiming I sent forum members nasty PM’s 100% fabricated lie on his part in attempt to discredit me and I will not stand for it!
You owe both me and Shutter an apology. Enough said.
The IP I have of Nicky starts with 47.153.171.*** the IP Robert is posting is Google’s IP
IP: 209.85.220.41
Decimal: 3512065065
Hostname: mail-sor-f41.google.com
ASN: 15169
ISP: Google
Organization: Google
Services: Likely mail server
Type: Corporate
Assignment: Static IP
Yes, that is a correct version of the email I sent NickyB after our forum was shut down. Only proves I was trying to be calm about it and not say what I wanted to say. I did create another forum later, though. If you actually ARE a lawyer, as you claim on your Facebook page and is listed elsewhere, you should be disbarred. You are a pathetic excuse for an Officer of the Court, for sure. Makes me have a new respect for Galen Cook, who although he came after us unfairly a few times, never stooped to what you did. Not even close.
All I did was make what I thought you would take as a joke but boy did you take it and run!
Think about it Robert why would I waste my time shutting down an inactive forum with 2 members and why in the hell would somebody hire an attorney for that you really can’t be the naive could you sir?
You understand that the REAL Nicholas Brougham’s IP is a matter of public record now, and that you have been verified by AB staff, right? Facebook, Google, etc. So…if you are posting up on Bruce’s site now and you aren’t actually the real Nick Brougham…that whether or not you use a fake email address to make posts…that this will be found out rather quickly? They don’t call it the Information Age for nothing. 🙂
And if you are the real Nick Brougham, I still believe you should be disbarred. You have no business being in the law business, especially when you start lying and bullshitting people for no good reason other than calling it a joke.
Reply to TED:
Here is what TED said. Then my response-
“2018 at 12:19 am (Edit)
But has Georger ever called you and left messages on your answering machine, Bruce? He’s been known for that kind of thing.”
Actually, Georger and I have had very pleasant conversations. Productive, too, about DBC.
I wonder if I can monetize this?
Hmmmm….
A duel? We could never agree on the site. Or the banjos.
Maybe not the site, but the banjos no problem. 🙂
Nicky, I owe you a formal apology. I should of checked the ban records. Derek was the one who sent the nasty messages. another poster mentioned this and I thought the same. I should of checked the records to verify. going by Nicky’s reaction to this tells me it’s probably the real Nickyb…
209 IP’s are normally Google bots…
Robert, you see how easy it is to apologize. look what you have caused with all of this behavior..
I appreciate that Shutt! I would also like to apologize for bringing up your name to robert I should of saw this coming. As for robert please ban him from here bruce we can get a lot more accomplished in here with out him…
What would you like to accomplish? I suggest that we focus on that.
As for RMB, banning him, etc. Most of the traffic here is to bash him. It seems like sport for many.
“And if you are the real Nick Brougham, I still believe you should be disbarred. You have no business being in the law business, especially when you start lying and bullshitting people for no good reason other than calling it a joke.”
Robert, what do you think should happen to you if you were an attorney? you started this whole thing by “publicly” announcing it as legit. I made a horrible mistake of mixing up Derek with Nicky, they were both acting up on my forum at the time. Derek went first, I believe. and for that I was wrong and quickly apologized. you want to blame everyone but Robert. when I make a poor judgement call, or say something inaccurate, I will admit when I’m wrong. who is really “bullshitting” here Robert?
Robert, if you read into all of this so wrong, how can anyone believe what you claim about Kenny? you are the only one who tells the story, you are the only one who makes statements other say about Kenny. according to you, so many are convinced that Kenny was Cooper that they fail to either come forward, or contact the FBI, but have no problem talking to you about a book, or movie deal…Lyle, Kenny’s brother started this whole thing wanting to make a movie about his brother being DB Cooper. you would go ballistic if someone failed to provide proof about another suspect, in fact you always go directly for the throat. then you cry victim when you are asked to provide proof, and start calling people haters, and detractors…claiming you don’t owe them anything. I believe a majority of this is blown way out of proportion. you begged people to look into Kenny years ago, so we did just that, and found mountains of problems. took you months to remove the inaccurate data. the book still has error’s.
People still make the claim Kenny bought the house for cash…you were so convinced, you showed the mortgage lol..once you started running out of proof, all new evidence popped up taking the place of the old..hate me all you wish, but I don’t believe for on second Kenny was Cooper..that’s my choice..
Just to verify the above…the IP Robert posted is not the IP from Nicky..it’s Googles IP..Nicky’s starts with 47.153.***
For some reason, I thought Nicky and Derek were the same. It’s been a long time. I did get a nasty message from Derek, I think everyone on the DBC forum did.
Shutter makes a great point above…
All of this shows just how gullible Blevins is. Add that to fact that he had already decided that Kenny was Cooper before he ever “investigated” any of it (Which I proved above) and it’s not hard to see why he has got so much wrong. A little bit of common sense should have told him that Shutter didn’t hire Nicky. But he believed it for one reason – because he wanted to. Just like with Kenny, he believes the things that support his case and casts out the ones that don’t. Blevins by far has the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen.
Now, on the shards. What would Occam suggest about the shards? To me the shards show that Cooper didn’t get away with the money. The more money that is in the Columbia, the better the chance that some of it gets found. If only a few stacks of bills are in there, what is the odds that those get found? But if it’s all in there, the odds, while still not great, are better that some of it is found. If your suspect is dependent on having the money after the hijacking (Such as Christiansen, but there are others), then you have the wrong suspect.
Quote: Shutter makes a great point above…
All of this shows just how gullible Blevins is. Add that to fact that he had already decided that Kenny was Cooper before he ever “investigated” any of it (Which I proved above) and it’s not hard to see why he has got so much wrong. A little bit of common sense should have told him that Shutter didn’t hire Nicky. But he believed it for one reason – because he wanted to. Just like with Kenny, he believes the things that support his case and casts out the ones that don’t. Blevins by far has the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen.
Now, on the shards. What would Occam suggest about the shards? To me the shards show that Cooper didn’t get away with the money. The more money that is in the Columbia, the better the chance that some of it gets found. If only a few stacks of bills are in there, what is the odds that those get found? But if it’s all in there, the odds, while still not great, are better that some of it is found. If your suspect is dependent on having the money after the hijacking (Such as Christiansen, but there are others), then you have the wrong suspect. “Unquote.
Parrotheadvol, Your first paragraph I agree with. Blevins is a sideshow of pure nonsense, he appalling, and I think he knows it. I’m getting very fed up with him and I wish that he would please STFU!
I don’t like the term and concept “Occam’s razor,” because it invites people down the path of least resistance and it’s a cop-out in terms of objective logistical branch analysis. Here’s where I’m coming from on this branch of the shard and money find, and please don’t take what I’m about to say personally. : First of all and in order keep this statement from getting too long, I’m gonna state that I’m convinced that the Cooper ransom money never was meant to be spent. I’ll refer to the Ramsey case to make the point that the ransom money was not the motive. On the Ramsey RN, the screwy figure of $118,000 was the ransom demand. Not only is this an awfully small demand, why is it 118? Hold that 118 question for later. Note the little Christian cross figurine that was made in the $100,000 part of that ransom demand, it’s only one of several figurine hints that conveys that the girl is already dead. The overall evidence in the crime, combined with the statements in the RN, shows that John Ramsey was the primary target and his otherwise reputation as a very good business man especially so. Stack up the misspelled words and read them as a statement.
I can show parallels to this with the Zodiac and other crime cases too, but back to the Cooper case: The front end of this hijacking shows that the UNSUB really had his ducks in a row. He anticipated practically everything and he was very patient in the execution of the crime. He had esoteric knowledge he worked from. He left that clip-on tie evidence behind in an otherwise well controlled scenario. Why would he do that? Hold that thought for later.
So, he jumps out the back of that jet with sunglasses/googles on? And in the dark of night? Hold those thoughts too. It would seem that he bailed out near LeCenter, which makes sense in terms of the large areas of conjoined plowed fields. Hold that though too. But the FBI seemed convinced the he has a better way of locating his ground target, hence the pocket sized marker beacon gear. But that gear requires specialized transmission equipment found near larger airports. Hold those thoughts too. The next area they look at is McDonald Oregon Aurora field.
Now the shards and the cash. Pretty sloppy for Cooper to have lost that cash, right? Maybe… maybe not? He could have secured that cash in a gutted front chute case. There’s a lot of controversy about the Tena bar find. Was that truly a 1974 dredge layer 18 inches down or a natural clay layer? If it’s natural, how could shards get under it? Why has the shards report come and gone in the public forum? Lot’s of thoughts to hold here. Why did Ingram’s dad have him dig by two sticks? Or is that a myth? Why the odd amount of cash found? Why the odd and low amount of a $118,000 ransom demand in the Ramsey case? Why “B”D Cooper in one of the taunting documents? Why not D “B” Cooper. Hey, guess what? (ret) The bisected body of the Black Dahlia aka Elizabeth SHORT was found at: 34.0164N by 118.333W. John Ramsey bonus pay was exactly 50 cents SHORT of a figure of $118,118! Why do no less than two of the Cooper taunting documents hint at three 7’s? 777=order out of chaos. Why did the author of the Ramsey RN misspell the word ‘outsmart’ as “out smart?” Add to that the 99% hint. Get it?????????? Maybe ‘Get Smart’? Their adversary was “Chaos”! The Ramsey ransom note has no less than 17 ea joo/Jew related hints. Now please don’t use Occam’s razor against the Jews. I’m not a Jew, but some of my favorite human being happen to have been or are still living Jews. Why did one of the taunting Cooper documents have the “David Bartholomew Copperhead” sign off? Look up what a “Copperhead” was in terms of the US Civil war.
An idiot friend of mine argues that he’s an atheist, which is why I use the term “idiot.” No human being that ever was, has the capacity to explain why he was born to the mother he was, much less where, when, etc. It’s that simple. Occam’s razor will not work in the logic needed to sort out the cases that I’ve spent a lot of time and thought on, it’s that simple. This is why I have little patience with a “try harder” taunt.
Bruce is still my hero for reporting the tie evidence. He maintains this status by pointing out the mysterious murder of Earl Cossey. What does Colbert have to say, if anything, about that same murder? In my eyes, James Comey went from villain to hero by closing the Cooper case, because it prompted movement for me. However, too many violent deaths surround the orb of Mrs Clinton, with Foster, Stevens and Rich, to name just three. Don’t be fooled by the “Good Samaritan” garbage sending in Cossey’s DL and credit cards, a Good Samaritan would cooperate (or cooper-rate, ha ha?) with the murder investigation.
‘All of this shows just how gullible Blevins is. Add that to fact that he had already decided that Kenny was Cooper before he ever “investigated” any of it (Which I proved above) and it’s not hard to see why he has got so much wrong…’
I’m not THAT gullible. I had no way of checking Nicky out except by what he claimed via Facebook, etc. All I know is that I have the emails and our site WAS shut down. And no Google bot sent those emails. No bot complained to our server…again.
I think I should be the one who gets banned, and for a very simple reason. So I won’t have to deal with any of you further. Nothing but trouble has come to us from the people who hang out at the Cooper Forum. Lies about us, attacks galore, whatever. All of you over there consider yourselves perfect and error-free. It’s no wonder the film producers said the heck with the whole place. I can’t believe I spent almost a year trying to include you in the biggest thing that ever came down the road on DB Cooper.
As far as what we know regarding Kenny (in 2018) I can assure you we no longer believe he bought the house for cash (that was Geoff Gray who proposed that first, by the way, we simply believed him) and that we know a lot more than we did six years ago.
l’m glad we pulled DB Cooper from the new AB Forum. It’s a lot more fun over there now, even if most of the visitors are just guests. Yes…I vote for Bruce to ban ME…because this will make all of this vanish (the number of ridiculous and unending posts here) like a flight out of Malaysia. I am definitely okay with it. 🙂
Robert, you say that Geoff Gray first proposed that Kenny paid cash for his house. When did he do that? It’s certainly not in the New York Magazine article. I actually don’t remember if it’s in his book or not, but here is what YOU said on DZ a full year before his book came out:
8/6/10: “Skipp Porteous sent me a message today about Kenny Christiansen’s purchase of the house in Bonney Lake for cash. Until now, the only verification we had on this was the word of a couple of people who knew Kenny. Porteous says he now has hard proof.”
8/22/10: “The money and his unexplained loans and purchases were only one piece of the puzzle anyway. As far as we can prove for certain, Christiansen went through nearly FOUR TIMES HIS YEARLY INCOME within a mere eight months after the hijacking…and all in cash. His bank records show little or nothing in the bank, checking or savings. Letters home to family say the same thing.
*Loaned $5,000 to Mike Watson’s sister to buy a house in Sumner, WA.
*Paid off promissory note on small piece of land he had bought with that note two years previously. Total: $3,000. On this one, he says in one of his letters that he was barely keeping up the tax payments and was unable to do anything with the land because he had no money to do it.
*Bought house with adjoining lot in Bonney Lake, WA: $16,500, no mortgage, paid in cash.
These are only the items we can actually PROVE. There may have been others.”
There is no mention of Gray in any of this. You cite “a couple of people who knew Kenny” as your source, not Gray. Again, Gray did not say this in the New York Magazine article and you were saying it a year before his book came out.
I’d like your explanation on this. Of course, you won’t bother. Instead you will redirect it by saying you no longer want to discuss Kenny, or you’ll bring up the Cooper forum again as a way to shift the conversation in another direction.
Have you ever thought of being a politician?
We have some deception in those quotes Parrot..
He states that Kenny had no money in any accounts..this means he had access to the records, correct. if fits the agenda for that period making one wonder how he bought the house for cash..
Later he shows a check for close to 200 grand, and then claims 17,000 more in another account.
“His bank records show little or nothing in the bank, checking or savings.”
He once again claims no mortgage, but later shows the mortgage on DZ..could of got that later, but he knew years before that Kenny had no money?..this was deceptive until Lyle gave him the copy of the check. then it became a huge mystery on how Kenny had so much unaccounted money…you know what he was implying…
Skip Porteous claims they did a thorough background check into Kenny’s finances..public records revealed Kenny sold off a rather large amount of property he purchased in the 60’s..made out like a bandit..$300,000 mystery solved…
The story he told me on the DZ was he went by Gray’s book..”Kenny purchased a modest home” taking the word “purchased” for granted..meaning cash..
He claimed long before this that several of his friends “testified” that Kenny purchased the house for cash…obviously, someone is lying here..if it was never purchased for cash, how did several say this? he boasted about one person often since she was married to a cop…like that’s suppose to make her Mary Poppins lol..
Not one of them have come forward to tell there side of the story..If a hint was made to try and contact them, Robert would respond with the old “lol, we warned them about you guys, good luck”
The I believe it was parrot who cornered him on the lie about Lyle giving a DNA sample..that was another 10 pages on the DZ. once all of this was found, and more, well, you get the point..it took him months to remove it from his media sites. he didn’t want too..blew his top 10 right out of the water..this is what started all the bad blood with Robert…he asked for years for people to check for themselves…once we did, it’s been an ongoing problem ever since…
You guys remember the movie “The Sting”
Just sayin 🙂
“I think I should be the one who gets banned, and for a very simple reason. So I won’t have to deal with any of you further. Nothing but trouble has come to us from the people who hang out at the Cooper Forum”
This was, and always has been started by you…I didn’t take a joke out of context and plaster it all over a thread as truth, you did…
Shutter any chance I can be granted a provisional lift of my ban I would really like to share my klansnic findings with you guys over there…
Gayla, Greg the Techie Guy, and I had an informal meeting over at Greg’s place this afternoon. But before I get to that, let me address this quote:
“This was, and always has been started by you…I didn’t take a joke out of context and plaster it all over a thread as truth, you did…”
It’s not a joke when a former member of the Cooper Forum decides to try and shut down our website. That is not a joke. As far as Kenny’s finances, you are misinformed. The figures show what KC had in the bank when he died. As far as what he had at the time of the hijacking, that was pretty much nothing but the $512 a month (before taxes) he brought home from NWA. His financial situation in 1971 was more or less verified by certain people who knew him well. As far as the house, that was settled years ago. We know Kenny took out a mortgage for about half, and the other half was secured by a promissory note from the owners, who just happened to be friends with Bernie Geestman. (He was Best Man at the owners’ wedding.)
About the meeting: Greg and Gayla say that AB of Seattle should no longer discuss the case publicly for two reasons, at least until an announcement is made on the upcoming picture. First reason is because we could ‘slip’ and get our contract declared void by the film companies. Second, because we can’t tell you everything we know now, and it isn’t fair to discuss KC and Geestman without being able to tell you certain things. These things convinced the film companies we were right, I can tell you that much. I think most of you realize by now that the turning point was when Geestman’s family saw him on Brad Meltzer’s Decoded, and some of them watched Geestman tell the cast that yes, Kenny could be the hijacker. These folks knew that ‘Uncle Bernie,’ as they call him, was with Kenny the entire week the hijacking occurred. They started doing their research, read the book, other things. Some time later, they contacted us. There have been two interviews now, with a final one coming soon, which will be recorded on video.
Unfortunately, that video will NOT be made public until the release of the film. Due to all these things I just listed, our new policy at AB regarding the Cooper case is this: No one at AB will make any further comments to forums, Facebook, the AB Message Board, or Twitter regarding the case. The only exceptions will be an announcement about details on the movie, after the movie companies do it FIRST. Then, a couple of things will be posted.
The subject of DB Cooper, or Kenny Christiansen, or Geestman, or anything having to do with the investigation will not be allowed at the AB Message Board.
All email inquiries about the case, the movie, or KC will be answered with an auto-reply directing people to the DB Cooper Info Page at Adventure Books of Seattle. Some modifications to that page will be made along the way, mostly to show people the Message Board is not a part of the investigation, and we will check links to this and that on the page.
This decision is final. I will no longer respond personally to inquiries, except from recognized, legitimate, VERIFIED media. The incident with Nicholas Brougham finally brought things to a head. We also found out that Nicky’s email address was legit, even though his IP address tracks back to the usual G-mail IP. But this whole thing has just put a very bad taste in everyone’s mouth here, and we don’t consider it a joke any more than any of YOU would if the DB Cooper Forum was shut down by trickery and deceit.
Since NickyB, or whoever he is for real, originally came from the Cooper Forum, this means we no longer trust anyone associated with that website. It’s been nothing but trouble for us, first…with Shutter being able to say whatever he wants there about us, truth OR lie, and then come after our server if we have the nerve to respond. Since we are out of the Cooper business there, he should have no need to come after us any further.
Greg, Gayla, and I understand, and to a degree, sympathize with your opinions that Kenny was not the hijacker. But then, you don’t know what WE know, either. On the other hand, to rub that into your faces isn’t fair. So until an announcement is made about the movie, we have nothing more to say.
This is my last post at the Mountain News.
Even if you don’t like us personally, we hope you will support our effort on the Homeless in Seattle movie, which begins filming in late April and runs through June. Camera and sound testing ends with a final practice run next month, and then we start production shooting. The film will be submitted to several film festivals. Wish us luck.
Good Riddance RMB! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
Longest single thread anywhere related to DB Cooper. Congratulations, Bruce. Does anyone know how letter number 3 was actually first reported to the media?
I have a question for Mr. Blevins too: do you have a copy of the warranty deed or a copy of the deed of trust showing that Ken Christianson purchased his Bonney Lake home for cash? Would love to see it.
The details surrounding “Letter #3” are discussed in my book. Briefly, L#3 was sent to the Oregonian who did not publish it. Rather, they sent it to the Seattle FBI, who in turn sent it to the Missoula Gazette (if I recall correctly) who published it on page 32 hoping to smoke out any confederates of Paul Cini living in Montana. L#3 stayed hidden until August 2011 when a lot of stuff happened pretty much at the same time: Al Di released it to the world, the Oregonian posted it on their website, and Snowmman found it and gave everyone at the DZ access to it.
The house Kenny purchased was paid off in the 90’s. proof of this is on the Clerk of Courts website. a mortgage was shown backing up the fact the house was not purchased in cash…
Mr. Blevins, you love to act the victim…you were banned for bad behavior. you joined under a phony name in order to disrupt even further. just because you are banned doesn’t mean nobody can discuss anything to do with you, or the KC saga. then you want to blame the forum about a member that is no longer there..I guess it’s your fault the murder rate is high in Washington..you live there, right.
Kenny was 5′ 8″ pale skin, and bald. Kenny was the same height as Tina. the witnesses would have to all be hermits for them not to see Kenny and the other publicly known suspects and none of them have come forward to verify them as Cooper. even with faded memories I strongly believe they would gasp if a picture of Cooper was shown.
“This is my last post at the Mountain News.” 3rd time in a week…you can run, but the problems remain.
$512 in 1971 equals $3,171.36 in 2018. not bad money for a single guy with no kids..I believe Kenny was rather well off if you ask me…$20 was a lot of money in 1971..people see $512 and sympathize…$5,000 in 1971 equals $30,970.35….you really believe Kenny loaned someone he only knew for a couple months this much money….
Not a chance. He says these things and expect people to take them as fact, just like he does. He was told of the loan, but did he ever bother to check it out? Did he do research to see when she actually bought the home, how much she paid, how much of a down payment? Nope. Of course not. Just throws it out the as if it’s proven fact. Just like he used the word “proven” when he said Kenny paid cash for his home.
The he says “you don’t know what we know”. He’s been saying that crap for years too. He said when he sent the report to the FBI. Then he released it publicly and there was nothing in it. Nothing other than an outline of a poorly ran “investigation”.
Also, just as I said would happen, once confronted with evidence that he was saying Kenny paid cash for his house, long before Gray said it (if Gray even said it), Blevins and Co. have a meeting and decide they’re not talking about it anymore. How convenient and predictable that was.
I thought about reading Skyjack again today. I’m flying to Canada and thought it would be a good time to read it again. Changed my mind at the last minute though. Opted for Jimmy Buffett’s, “Where Is Joe Merchant”. Figured with cold weather, I could use some warm thoughts. I’ll save Skyjack for the next one.
Love Jimmy Buffett too. Of course, I would have expected that coming from you, Parrothead.:)
The question would be how they got 40 year old bank information. why would Kenny hold onto records that old with no value since nothing was in the accounts. this would imply Kenny kept everything, and yet no evidence of records have ever been shown, except, the checks from the estate. no actual proof of anything has ever been produced. banks typically hold records for 7 years, so again, since he fails to show proof, it’s highly unlikely they exist. he had no problem showing the mortgage, estate checks, but no other real evidence such as income tax, or bank records. this is critical in proving a story while discussing finances. he has probably made these claim a hundred times, but zero proof other than his own statements…the income tax would prove exactly what he has been saying for almost a decade, and yet no documents that he claims he has to support the statement have ever been shown…wonder why?
we now see how Robert reads into things and runs with what he believes it says, or implies. he couldn’t even figure out a joke. instead, he ran with it as truth.
Quote:shutter45 says:
March 23, 2018 at 3:31 am
The question would be how they got 40 year old bank information. why would Kenny hold onto records that old with no value since nothing was in the accounts. this would imply Kenny kept everything, and yet no evidence of records have ever been shown, except, the checks from the estate. no actual proof of anything has ever been produced. banks typically hold records for 7 years, so again, since he fails to show proof, it’s highly unlikely they exist. he had no problem showing the mortgage, estate checks, but no other real evidence such as income tax, or bank records. this is critical in proving a story while discussing finances. he has probably made these claim a hundred times, but zero proof other than his own statements…the income tax would prove exactly what he has been saying for almost a decade, and yet no documents that he claims he has to support the statement have ever been shown…wonder why?
we now see how Robert reads into things and runs with what he believes it says, or implies. he couldn’t even figure out a joke. instead, he ran with it as truth.” Unquote
I’ve been staying out of this for fear Blevins would simply continue with his garbage, but now I realize that shutterr45 is doing the right thing in order to counteract nonsense from Blevins. In a fully functional sense; Blevins is a t r o l l. (I did this in order to avoid tripping a keyword flag.) It’s a revised method and tactic that Blevins has been using against those that are interested in the truth. Tell a lie “loud and often” till it becomes perceived as the truth in the masses minds. In parallel, notice how the MSM holds the “Rackstraw was Cooper” banner up too. It’s the same tactic, only with many more very obvious co-conspirators. They retreat to the term “opinion.” However, most clear thinking people know that a truly valid “opinion” is based of true evidence.
This same thing has taken place throughout the entire JonBenet Ramsey case. However, a notable feature is that their wholesale abuse of the term “opinion” didn’t start happening until the rest of the stack of lies were rapidly beginning to erode away. The DNA evidence helped move this process along, but so did plain old common sense, coupled with objections from “true” detectives like Lou Smit, and the well informed “opinions” of persons like former FBI profiler John Douglas. Then you begin to see that the public at large was no longer willing to take the “koolaid.” In their desperation and in Sept of 2016, CBS ran a huge stack of readily provable lies during a program called “The Case of JonBenet Ramsey.” Which was produced by Critical Content, with a list of stooges, like an evil clown named Jim Clemente. Included in this unholy alliance is “liar for hire” Dr Werner Spitz. Review Spitz’s awful behavior and testimony in the murder trial of Phil Spector. Note how the MSM has been able to edit out Spitz’s criminal role in that same murder trial! This rightfully earned all of those involved massive lawsuits for them trying to lay the crime on then nine year old Burke Ramsey. Burke had been cleared in writing and based on good evidence. Of course this same program was laying a false coverup charge on the parents too, and with no valid evidence, and contrary to the “opinion” of Judge Julie Carnes from the Wolfe vs Ramsey lawsuit, in her very eloquent and well explained summery judgement. It’s the very best primer for those that wanna catch up on the basics of the Ramsey case.
Amazingly, on the second Ramsey ransom note page is a structural anagram of the word “Clemente,” found in the implied word “gentlemen.” One of several interesting figurines occurs in the word “safe,” with the ‘afe’ letters rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Also amazing is that the primary JT hints on that document, offer up this basic statement: “[It] exhausting…daughter watching…Speaking daughter being…money killing family think killing Victory!”
“high jack” indeed!
Have to agree here, that without records on home transaction for Christianson as purchaser it’s all supposition. Nothing like documents to back up a claim. How could a flight attendant in 1971 pay cash for a home. Washington is a disclosure state. So the records can be found. But as Shutter stated, we don’t know what happened to Mr. Blevins at this point.
some older records can’t be found online..and some can’t be found at all..when you state you have them going back almost a decade and fail to show them, what’s that tell ya?
The facts already show it wasn’t paid in cash..a mortgage was taken out when he bought the home..the satisfaction of mortgage is dated in the mid 90’s, not sure at the moment of the exact date..according to Robert in 2010 it was a PROVEN fact..
We have heard claims of $512 since 2010, again, zero proof shown..claims of those records have been mentioned many times over..even if it was true, it’s not bad for a single guy in 1971. Robert mentions many times that Skip did a thorough check on Kenny’s finances, but somehow missed everything critical?
Now, what’s funny is he will taunt someone over and over for proof (source please). if you don’t provide it, he claims it’s not valid..except in his case, of course..
It would be really dumb to hijack the airline you currently work for, let alone work decades at the same job (he hated) after the crime..I wonder how many people said, “hey, put a wig, platform shoes, and a tan on this guy and he could be Cooper” lol.
He also claimed for years that the FBI never checked employee’s…the 302’s tell a much different story..
everyone got the description completely off, but there is the sketch, right beside Kenny? if anything would be inaccurate, it would be the sketch over the description..most use the sketch as a photo..Tina stood right next to Cooper and you are going to tell me she failed to notice he was the same height? (Kenny 5′ 8″…Tina 5′ 8″)
when you ask to see any documents, he pulls the “trust issue” this is a public forum.you don’t come here and only give the word of many without backing up the claim, period..it has nothing to do with trust, or emailing! don’t tell the story if you can’t prove it other than just talk!
Notice: ALL POSTERS BE AWARE:
Jo Weber may be joining us shortly as she just emailed me asking for this URL. RMB, you may have serious competition for the title of “Dominant Voice” here.
Here she is:
I am curious and would like to read the thread or the what ever you call it that you & others have talked about…on that other site…
How can I read the site – give me an address but with my limited abilities I might not be able to access it…just curious what – whats his face is up to – referring to Blevins.
Probably more of the same ol thing – but the other site keeps referencing you site.
I have NO interest in posting but would like to read – I do noT even know how to access your paper now…my memory is going very fast – won’t be living on my own much long but I am curious what – BLEVINS IS UP TO .
I know I posted to you blogs but do not remember how I did that…you can give me access to post – but really doubt I will – it would have to be something that would enrage me…and have no idea what that would be now…my memory is going and my use of the computer is not extended.
If you let them know I am there bet old ROBT will be upset…but send me the way to read the site …IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME POSTING PRIVILEGES – I would run it through you before I posted it. Do not even know how to access your site any more.
Don’t you ever check out our main website? Or the message board, especially Quickie Updates? Or the WordPress DB Cooper? I have no need to post HERE> everything is already over THERE. I told many of you long ago- if you want to keep up with things, you have to go to the source. If you don’t want to do that, then don’t complain when you don’t know what the hell is happening. It’s not my job to keep you informed in two places at once. And I am far too friggin’ busy these days to post here anymore. I’m doing camera/sound tests and directing my own movie pretty soon. And I work a regular job as well. And weekends, sometimes I work those too. So lately I just don’t have time to answer anything that isn’t in an email. I do that plenty. You guys are NOT the only people interested in the Cooper case.
You guys are a relatively small group, you know. The public is a little larger, and they’re the people we’re trying to reach, i.e. the folks who don’t have their minds made up already based on incomplete information, their own agendas, or personal issues. I discussed some of these things in my interview Wednesday evening. The opinions of a few people in Cooperland are already well known at Adventure Books. You say to me sometimes: “We’ve heard it all before.” Well, so have I, folks. So if you want to know what, if anything, is going on…click on Google and go find out, because I have no more time for you here.
You guys act sometimes like you are the Be All and End All of Everything Cooper. I have a wake-up call for you. You are NOT. Most of you considers yourselves an elite group of know it alls, but in reality you are a closed ecosystem, non-inclusive, with agendas, and the public has generally seen that. I’m trying to reach the public here with both the upcoming picture on Cooper, something most of you rejected foolishly, and with our investigation, much of which you aren’t even aware of what we discovered since January of 2016.
Or didn’t you believe Geestman’s family would finally come forward to us? Or Troy Bentz. And others. All I got here for my efforts, my attempts to answer certain issues, was a bunch of flak and one of your ex-members who managed to get one of our message boards brought down. Frankly, I don’t think I owe any of you the time of day. I had a few things to say about the Cooper Forum in my recent interview, and I have marked that forum as Not Recommended as a resource at the AB DB Cooper Page. Not that it matters, but there it is. Truth is, I don’t have any more time to deal with the type of people I have seen around here, or at the Cooper Forum, with very few exceptions. Maybe Darren S, maybe Bruce. But that’s about it.
LOL…half of you posting here are running phony identities anyway.
But, yet you had time and cared for enough to post all of that???
Hey, while you’re here, how about answering my question about Geoff Gray being the first to say that KC paid cash for his house? I’ve offered some pretty good evidence that you were the first. Do you care to counter that?
“This is my last post at the Mountain News.”
Only took one day to go back on the 300th time it has been stated…same as the other 299..
Shutter has a good point. A mortgage on Christian’s house in Bonney Lake is prime evidence that he didn’t pay cash for the house. It probably could even be discovered which RE company assisted in the transaction. There are records to be discovered. That should end the discussion. Can’t wait for Jo Weber to launch on this site. I hear that she is a firebrand. Bring her on, Bruce.
Do you realize how downright WEIRD it is for you to tell everyone time and again that you want nothing to do with anything we do at AB, that you don’t accept email from either my personal or the AB account, that you have no interest in the movie or anything l have to say, that I am banned at your site…blah, blah, blah, (and blah)…
Yet you keep making comments, some with questions, after I told you that posting here was not only pointless for me, but causes conflict? Who gives a darn what YOU think? Or what a few of your members think? No one around my place does, I can tell you that.
It’s like you’re HOPING I will make a post here. You talk a good game, but you act like some Blevins junkie who needs his next fix. Isn’t it interesting enough for you over at your own forum? Or has traffic dropped off because no one in the public (unless they register) can see anything you guys post except text? That’s crazy, by the way. (‘You are not allowed to view pictures or links. Register or Login.’) LOL.
You’re obsessed. I haven’t visited the Cooper Forum in a week, and the more time that goes by, the easier it gets.
As far as the house question, why don’t you just read the recent WordPress article like everyone else? So what if we made a few mistakes along the way during an investigation that lasted over seven years? Not like we were pro investigators. This was a part time book publishing business when we started, the only PI involved was Porteous. No worries, though. We eventually worked out the bugs and got to the truth. No one ever told us that it would be easy, or that we wouldn’t make mistakes along the way. We had a few of those, but we also corrected them as best we could. You just haven’t been keeping track. Either that, or you’re the type who sticks his head in the sand and refuses to hear the truth.
Not to be TOO mean about it, but no one here at AB wants anything to do with you. You’ve been nothing but trouble for us, feeling free to say whatever trash you wish over at your own site about us, while watching us like a circling hawk waiting to pounce on our server for the slightest perceived transgression. We don’t need your approval, and your opinion means squat to us.
Correct, it was funny..he was claiming it was paid for cash, and the next post included the mortgage..this was several years back when we were looking into his claims (as he asked)
The house was purchased in June of 1972, and paid off in July of 1990..
Robert finally admits to this..the trouble is where it originally started with the statement of a cash deal..it was a proven fact in 2010, and some of Kenny’s friends made this comment, but how could this be if it wasn’t true to begin with…since Robert speaks for all, I would have to say it came from Robert..
when trying to prove something, you can’t just say it’s true.. you must provide proof with documents, actual sworn statements, photo’s, recordings etc. you can’t convince me with hearsay evidence…
Robert comes in and distracts from the original question turning things onto you, and shifting blame causing a string of comments as you see above..example
Robert, can you provide the tax returns you state you have on Kenny…
reply, lol, ya right, this is a guy who paid a member to spy on my forum, and shut down the production of the up and coming movie..etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc..post after post…..
What I really find fascinating is the memory of these people with suspects..most of the witnesses to the crime will tell you they have a faded memory of things…the witnesses for suspects always have sharp detailed memories..they know exactly when they stopped wearing something, or can identify very small pieces of jewelry..they know who was at the turkey dinner..ask them the weather 4 months ago….haven’t a clue, but they know everything about the suspects 40 plus years ago, even if they didn’t know them well…they know who was missing as well…typically, you need something to trigger long term memory as studies show that memory fades, and distorts..and yet, they are crystal clear…
I have pretty good memory, but I can’t remember what clothes my mom, or dad wore 40 years ago, or the jewelry they had..some things remain very vivid, but most fade over time..some people can remember these things, but not as many as we see here..women have more detailed memory in my opinion…I just can’t see someone recalling the tiny little tie clip that’s in evidence. I have the same clip, it’s very small. I wore it once and had to point it out…
Good point, and the main reason I could never believe about Sailshaw’s suspect.
Sailshaw was one hell of a nice guy…I miss his “you say, I say” comments..nothing you could say would change his mind…
Definition of a ‘charity post’: it’s where you post up a link for some poor bastard because he keeps asking the same question, but is too lazy to look it up himself.
And if you have FURTHER questions regarding that article, you have no special privileges. You will have to ask through AB’s email like everyone else. I won’t answer them here.
Is this your last post on The Mountain News…oops, look who I’m asking lmao..
some poor bastard kept writing this..
2010
“Skipp Porteous sent me a message today about Kenny Christiansen’s purchase of the house in Bonney Lake for cash. Until now, the only verification we had on this was the word of a couple of people who knew Kenny. Porteous says he now has hard proof.”
2011
some poor bastard wrote this with ZERO knowledge of real estate…$10 lol
One of the really strange things we discovered was WHO KC bought his house for cash in Bonney Lake from. His name was Joe Grimes, and (surprise) just happened to be a good friend of Bernie’s. KC got the adjoining lot a year later for ten dollars. Sure he did. I think it was a bit more, but paid under the table. We have all the property and mortgage records.
2012
“Thirty-two weeks post-hijacking: KC buys house for about $16,000 in cash.”
2013
I ask people to forget taking my word on the cash-for-house in Bonney Lake and ask Geoff Gray instead, the original claimant on this point. They can’t do that.
and yet you were claiming this a year before the book came out……
I don’t have to look at assumptions…a mortgage was taken out, and it was paid off 18 years later…the house was NOT purchased in a cash settlement….
2010
“Skipp Porteous sent me a message today about Kenny Christiansen’s purchase of the house in Bonney Lake for cash. Until now, the only verification we had on this was the word of a couple of people who knew Kenny. Porteous says he now has hard proof.”
ZERO truth in this statement…the people who knew Kenny are lying, Skip is lying, or Robert is lying..it can only be these suspects…
do you have a poor bastards wordpress for this statement?
Please Advise 🙂
You don’t seek facts. You have a personal agenda. That’s obvious. The article speaks for itself. It’s complicated, I’ll admit. You may have to read it twice. One time I said that Captain Scott walked back to speak to Cooper. That wasn’t right either. There’s nothing wrong with making an error during such a complex investigation. If you’re wrong on something, you admit it, as I did in the article, present the best facts you have to date, and move on.
“And if you have FURTHER questions regarding that article, you have no special privileges. You will have to ask through AB’s email like everyone else. I won’t answer them here.”
On a side note, you have a lot of nerve asking for statements and questions. This comes to me from a guy who said (repeatedly) he didn’t care about anything we had to say on the Cooper case, KC, and had blocked all email. For a guy who does that, you SURE have a lot to say to me. 🙂
Traditional route if you want explanations on articles. Like everyone else does. I might be posting here tonight, but I have no public comments regarding the case, or our investigation into it…that would be posted HERE. That has ended.
Do you realize how downright WEIRD it is for you to tell everyone time and again that you want nothing to do with anything we do at AB, that you don’t accept email from either my personal or the AB account, that you have no interest in the movie or anything l have to say, that I am banned at your site…blah, blah, blah, (and blah)…
Once again you take things out of context…not wanting anything to do with you, or work with you doesn’t have zip to do with what you have stated in the Cooper case…what’s “WEIRD” is how you keep saying you are leaving only to return, sometimes like it was never mentioned…that’s WEIRD, no?
You state things, just like anyone else does with the topic of DB Cooper…we respond to those comments..that’s how it works..NOW, you want to discuss working with you, hell no..same for being involved with anything you do outside of the internet…not going to happen..that doesn’t mean I can’t discuss what you have stated in the past related to DB Cooper….this is what we do.
Yes, I do seek facts…we gave you plenty of them..you lost the whole top 20 reason Kenny could be Cooper you posted 100 times…now the personal attacks and diversion comes into play to cover anything said…
sure, everyone makes error’s…but you claim things as fact, or proven..you never stated Scott walked to the back of the plane as a PROVEN fact…you claimed the house was purchased in cash as a PROVEN fact…huge difference..
I have a WHOLE bunch of nerve…:)
You can discuss AB’s relationship to the Cooper case however you wish. I can’t stop you, and I won’t try. On the other hand, because we believe your issues are more personal than an actual fact-finding tour, I don’t have to respond to your questions.
I came back because I kept reading things about the purchase of the house. So I wrote the article. I waited a couple of days to see if anyone noticed. The public obviously did. It’s been getting a lot of reads. But I noticed no one here said anything about it. So…I decided to be charitable and drop the link on you. You want a response? That’s it. That’s all you get.
As far as working with us, that’s no big deal. That option expired anyway. No one is asking anymore.
I paid $22,367 for a pickup truck..does that mean I paid cash, or does the bank own it till it’s paid off. did I put down a quarter, half, or ten dollars…maybe I didn’t put anything down…what would team AB say?
We would say you probably have a good job and solid credit. 🙂
I have to ask YOU something now.
Did you know that when anyone from the public visits your site…
And your members are posting up links to this, pictures of that, internet articles, resources, ‘see my evidence here’…that kind of stuff…that no one from the public can actually SEE any of it? It is a bandwidth issue, or what? Seems kind of silly to do that to your members, i.e. make THEM the only ones who can see a lot of the stuff they try to post, for not just you, but the public. IMHO this is not very smart, and doesn’t drive traffic.
Try to take this in the right spirit: One thing the film production company said was that when they were researching your site (for months, by the way, long before they ever came to us) it was a PITA because a lot of what you guys present, the important stuff, can’t even be viewed by guests.
I don’t care what you do about that. It’s nothing to me. I don’t go there anymore. But most people aren’t going to bother registering just to see ‘what you got’. Attention spans can be short these days.
Even our crummy little AB Message Board gets maybe 50-100 visits daily. But then…people can see everything. 🙂
Can we get back to norjack guys??? While you guys were busy bickering I was actually doing some sleuthing and I discorverd that not only was Klansnic the skyjacker but he had his army buddy John Shorkey who served in nam recruit an all star extraction team for the mission consisting of 3 army stand outs. The A team as they jokingly called it consisted of 3 army stand outs and these are all names us cooperites have heard before…. Robert Wesley Rackstraw, Richard Floyd Mccoy, and Duane Weber. I have it on good authority that this was all under the direction of the CIA. If everything checks out this could blow the whole case wide open!
You know how many times I have heard that same comment?
Jo has an Ally! AT LAST!!!!
Did you know Duane’s bro John Weber worked at Boeing along side and they were good friends Bruce?
Klansnic…
Even our crummy little AB Message Board gets maybe 50-100 visits daily. But then…people can see everything.
when it’s open to the public 🙂 you close it down so many times it’s pathetic..stop worrying about my forum that means nothing to you?
I have several producers on my forum, none complained..I have CBS, colleges, podcast owners, ex cops, even a guy from Homeland security…they view the site while in the office…lawyers, skydivers, Tom Kaye…I’ve spoken with agents who were involved in the case. I just don’t go around bragging about all of this..it’s just a hobby.
I don’t try and promote it on every comment, or every source on earth as you do..I’m not in it for fortune or fame..I don’t have a lot of free time anymore..not like I use to. I’m up at 5, and home anywhere from 6 to 8:00 pm..then I have paperwork, or drawings to go over..I WORK for a living..I can’t stay up till 3 in the morning every night..my life is NOT on the internet..
Just because the producers you speak with read all the drama doesn’t mean all of them are like that..I could tell some stories about what they have said to me, but I choose not to even bring it up..you, on the other hand will take what ever you can, true or false and run like hell with it..I don’t have anything to prove, nor to I believe I’m the “elite” I’m just a guy…nothing more, nothing less.
I wasn’t getting personal. I said that all links, any pictures not hosted directly by PhotoCrapit or whatever, all internet references, or attached docs your members post…
The public sees this instead: ‘You are not allowed to view links or pictures. Register or Login.’
That annoying notice is EVERYWHERE. You should visit your own place as a guest sometime. IMHO this is a pretty silly way to run a website. Even Dropzone didn’t do that. You just had to register to make actual posts. You are cheating your members, because anything important they post can’t even be seen by the public. 🙂
Stop thinking about yourself, and more about your members. That site looks silly to anyone who isn’t registered. You aren’t reaching the public that well, and I only gave you the straight-up opinion of the film producers. Their words, not mine. Truth is, I don’t care if you’re the biggest site on Cooper. Works for me. Are you worried about DNS attacks, or bandwidth restrictions? I could see that.
Pretty much every other website on the planet that discusses a subject allows guests to see everything, but no posting unless they register. The Cooper Forum, to anyone not registered, hardly makes sense.
More big news, I am going to be a featured guest on a DB Cooper podcast series by Darren Schaefer where I will be discussing my findings.
Nicky – Nope I didn’t know that Duane had a brother John, or that he worked alongside anyone at Boeing. What’s your source for this information? Jo? Does Boeing confirm?
Yes Jo brought it to my attention given Jo’s rep I did not give it much credibility but I looked into it anyway and surprisingly it checked out. I give you the brother of Duane L. Weber John L. Weber http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/heraldnet/obituary.aspx?n=john-l-weber&pid=17515330
From the obituary: “John was born to Whitey and Gretchen Weber on November 13, 1928 in Great Falls, Montana…”
An easy matter to see if Duane and John had the same parents. Ancestry would know, based both on birth records, and census records. Just saying. The name Weber is relatively common.
Nickey YOU GOT THE WRONG WEBER – OR HIS OBIT IS WRONG. DUANE WAS BORN IN 1924 AND HIS BROTHER WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS…BORN IN OHIO AND i DO NOT HAVE HIS INFORMATION IN MY HEAD…HE DID WORK WITH BOEING AND HE SERVED OVER SEAS. I HAVE THE PAPERS BUT THEY ARE PACKED AND READY TO SHIP TO CALIFORNIA WHEN THE TIME COMES. i ALSO DO NOT REMEMBER HIS MIDDLE INITIAL BEING L….BUT I NEVER HAD REASON TO LOOK IT UP. I BELIEVE JOHN WEBER WAS BORN SEVERAL YRS BEFORE DUANE WAS BORN…PER THE PICTURES I WOULD SAY 8 YRS – BUT WITHOUT THE OBITS AND THE PICS THAT IS JUST A GUESS.
DON’T THINK FOR ONE MOMENT YOU WILL DO TO ME WHAT YOU JUST DID TO BLEVINS – GET YOUR FACT CORRECT FIRST SUCH AS A PHONE CALL TO ME AT AN ASSIGNED TIME GIVING ME A FEW DAYS TO FIND THE WRITTEN AND RECORDED DOC RELATED TO JOHN.
ODD THERE WAS 2 JOHN CLAUDIAN WEBER’S – PERHAPS HIS MIDDLE NAME WILL HELP YOU START WITH ACCURATE RECORDS.
FOR SOME REASON JOHN SPENT A LOT OF HIS TIME WITH AN AUNT & UNCLE – I BELIEVE THEY LIVED IN THE NORTH PART OF NEW YOUR OR IN CANADA – BASICALLY ALL I CAN REMEMBER WITHOUT FINDING THOSE OLD FILES…SENT TO ME BY HIS SISTER GWINN…NOT SURE IF THAT IS ONE OR TWO N’S
THE OBIT YOU SHOWED IS NOT DUANE’S BROTHER….SO HOW ABOUT TAKING IT DOWN.
Darren, one of our few members of the AB forum (and the Cooper forum), wants to talk to everybody. He’s asked for an interview with me and I’m working on fitting that into my schedule next month. I also invited him to participate in the BBQ shoot in June in south Seattle, for the homeless picture. On his idea for the interview, I suggested we can go video on that one. I sent him to the Cooper Forum a while back when he first made inquiries, but warned him to watch his behind, and not forward Christiansen there as a suspect. 🙂
Good point robert this could be no relation Jo can you shed some light on this please?
When My last husband and I went to CA for his proton Radiation – last ditch effort to save his life.
We were NOT far from his bothers home…and Tess and John invited us to dinner….The sister lived not too far away and she knew about the dinner. While we were finishing eating a call came in about the sister….she was in the hospital…Tess and I quickly cleaned up the dishes and then Jim and I followed them to the hospital. We didn’t go in – but waited in the car and shortly after JOHN comes out and said he told her I was NOT the woman who was with Duane in 1971 when they came to her house because Duane hurt his knee and needed to see a Dr.
When I walked in the door of her room her eye lit up – and I told her “I have been telling you for yrs that I was not the woman who was with Duane in 1971….she took my hand and I thought she would never let go of it…and she was smiling and crying at the same time….she was at peace with me.
A few week later she calls me – I was the one who usually called her to see how she was doing, but she called me in a frantic…she told me to write these names down – I kept writing sound alikes because I couldn’t understand why or how some of the names were spelled…I had my folder on one of the Skyjumpers on the table and started to scribble the names…but none of it made sense to me.
Several months later I contacted and researched sound alike…that is when I knew it was over…that is when I found out I was looking at the wrong family tree and there was all the things Duane had told me about – a man named Pellam when Duane was a little boy and the his mother took him and his sister to WA several times….Pellam made little carving and attach hankerchiefs or cloth to them…and when the children threw them in the air – the little chute would open.
I had been looking under the wrong family tree and wonder why what was in the Genology gave his mother another name than what was on her burial papers…evidently someone made a mistake or it was on purpose …but when I got there – there was all the stories Duane had told me about…from when he was a child and WA. Then when he got in trouble and was sent to WA to the bad Prison it was war time…and the family was NOT going to allow him to be in that place (I now have forgotten the name of the place – but it had hardened criminals – he was in the main intake for 3 days an the sent to work with the Barths and other names he had told me about…he worked on the VORs because he was good with tools and equipment and he worked at one of the fire watch places…how he learned about chutes – but he only did one jump there and they decided to make him a packer.
The slept in the packing room – a row of cots and at the end was the table and equipment for packing the chutes….but he want to fight the fires – and he was far sited – so they put in on as a spotter…
One of the place Duane told me about on our 1979 trip was about the area – which he drove toward and how bad it was…he had to go in and carry out the bodies of friend he knew. It was then they sent him to do VORs and Towers and Camp ground and cabins along some river in the northj.
The guys were transported by plane to the different sites and some of the sites they worked were Oregon – place he point out to me on our trip…I had NO IDEA he had been and was a prisoner doing the work that needed to be done – our boys where over seas fighting a horrible war…and Duane did his part as a prisoner but it was a good thing – they didn’t lock the boys up – they were free to go and come – such as trips to Rodeos and to bar (actually they let them go to a bar). Duane told me about these things – but he did NOT tell me he was a prisoner…I learned all of that after he died.
Duane’s brother was best friends with 2 individual who have been mentioned in the Cooper story over he yrs…his brother worked for as an engineer and he had the schematics for the Boeing all over his house….There was a opening celebration for Boeing new design – Duane didn’t get to go because he was incarcerated . Duane was proud of his brother but he could never meet the standards his parents wanted of him….
Back to my trip to CA with my last husband with cancer…the proton radiation bought Jim 2 yrs and I got to meet Duane’s sister and brother…in the house on the entry was was a lot of pictures – one picture of a group (awards) was James Klansics photo…John told me about them because I pointed out a tie on one of the men (Klansic) and I was told they were a special award tie by John…
Not sure I spelled Klansic right. I told John I had seen one of those tie on a man in GA and it was tie you would not forget – the young man was wearing his fathers tie and he was a jumper for recreation but his father was a war time jumper. When Duane asked him about his father and the conversation was changing the young man took Duane several feet away – but I did hear a little of the conversation as the wind was coming my way.
After going to CA and seeing that tie on Klansic – I asked the brother about the tie…it was part of an award Boeing had.- Richard Peterson had one – you can bet on that. Duane told me about the man with the wing – Duane was in the plane and this man was going right along side of the plan in his wing suit…his name was Richard Petersen…not sure how it is spelled.
Now you know how one of the posters put Duane’s name out there. Duane also worked and knew the man who had the AIR Freight on the hwy in the lower part of WA. (he told me about putting some on his tower) and how he died. He told me about it and that he knew his wife – the husband flew one on of those bi-plane with no motor (do not remember the name)…I believe it was his widow Duane went to see when he left me in the motel (the time I was afraid he had had an accident). Well, history followed us around…when we move to Pace FL – a neighbor waved us down and said she had been intending to come down and visit up…she asked him ( “Don’t I know you from some place). Duane said no – but when we got to the house he told me he thought he knew the woman and he walked back up to her house – this was the widow of the man from Wa who got killed in the biplane.
Back to Klansic – his picture was on Duane’s brothers wall along with that special tie.
From what I read earlier before it was removed – too many strange co-incidents.
Sorry I was NOT going to post – but not much time left to tell the whole story or what I know of the story.
As I was doing the last post – Robert is putting his two cents in – he has the wrong Weber’s I don’t have the file at my disposal and my memory does not remember – but those name did not ring any bells…Does BOBBY know there are lots of WEbers..
PL;EASE ROBT BLEVINS DO NOT MAKE ANY NOTE ABOUT RESPONDE TO ANY THING iI POST…YOU ARE THE GREATEST FICTION WRITER THERE EVER WAS – SO STAY WITH THAT AND STAY OUT OF MY WAY….I DON’T LIKE YOU AND I DON’T WANT TO KNOW YOU…..
I said I wasn’t going to post – and I think I will go back to just reading and not posting – it is safer that way and avoids contact with Belvins…the man makes thing up – and I don’t want to be a part of that. So if anyone wants to ask me a question – i will provide a phone number for u or an address. I REFUSE TO GO THUR WHAT BLEVINS DID BEFORE – HE LIES AND FABRICATES..
i won’t be back!
I DO NOT NEED YOUR HELP AND I DID NOT ADRESS YOU.. YOU FABRICATE THINGS – STICK WITH YOU FICTION !
An easy matter to see if Duane and John had the same parents. Ancestry would know, based both on birth records, and census records. Just saying. The name Weber is relatively common.
Very good Robert…Now, I can say the same thing…
An easy matter to see if Kenny made $512 a month would be to post the tax information you claim to have proving what you have been saying for years..
An easy matter to see if Kenny had little no money in his account soon after the hijacking would be to provide the bank statements you claim to have…
this would be based on the tax records, and bank records you have. you would demand they be shown if Colbert was stating this to you…if you fail to show the proof, it’s all make believe…
Provide the “truth” you so desire to seek out on Kenny…”either you have them, or you don’t”
“one way or the other the truth will come out” sound familiar? 🙂
Shutter: Everything and anything we have that has been released publicly…HAS been released. Anything else and you’ll have to wait for the picture. Even if I gave you everything we know, and everything you wanted, you would just come at me from another angle. This is because it’s not really any truth on Kenny you seek. You have personal issues with me, and there’s a difference.
To Parrothead: I wouldn’t let you near my WordPress with a ten foot pole. I’m not Regina Winkles. It would turn into a sideshow instead of an information source. (All kinds of hateful stuff, mostly made by people using phony names and identities.) Some of you who came over from Dropzone have a history, you know.
(EDIT: I should explain the ‘Regina Winkles’ comment for those of you who are shaking your heads.)
Regina is a nice lady who lives in Texas. She worked as a bookkeeper for a meat packing company. One time she posted a rather harmless article on Kenny Christiansen. Within a couple of weeks, more than 300 absolutely filthy comments appeared on that article. They were beyond bad. Most were directed in a very personal way (many were outright obscene) to myself, Gayla, Greg, and AB of Seattle. Some posters were using false names and identities, even copying known people involved in the Cooper case, even Larry Carr.
I contacted her and she deleted a few of the comments. Then she started sending me the IP addresses of the worst posters. Some of these IP’s were tracked (by Greg the Techie Guy at AB) to known people in Cooperland. The situation got SO bad that I finally copy/printed all the comments, along with some names and IP’s and sent it registered mail to Matt Mullenweg’s office in San Francisco, who is the co-founder of WordPress.
Mullenweg, or one of his employees I suppose, deleted the article, and then went on to close Regina’s entire account. This was not fair to Regina, but that’s what they did.
This is what I mean when I say, “I’m not Regina Winkles.” All comments are reviewed. If you can’t be identified, or perhaps have no WordPress going, or engage in name-calling, your comment is deleted. You can say whatever you wish HERE. That’s fine. But my WordPress isn’t a sideshow and I will never allow what happened to Regina to happen to mine. Too much work involved in it to just let anonymous people trash it, or allow BS comments that have no substance. ‘No substance’ means a comment that doesn’t really say anything intelligent, engages in any type of hate or name calling, or I feel addresses me more personally than the article itself. You want to do that, do it where you usually do: Cooper Forum.
What Robert is talking about is this: I read his newly written article on Kenny and his house. I then made a comment after the article saying that the article was BS and that Robert should admit who first said that Kenny bought his house with cash, and that it wasn’t Gray.
I figured since he didn’t want to answer here, even though he’s obviously back from his short lived hiatus, that maybe he would answer over there. Actually, I was pretty sure he would avoid it there too.
Bottom line: Blevins had been exposed. It was he who first reported that Kenny bought his home with cash. Not Gray.
Oh my, this little chat room is about to become even smaller with Jo now
In here. JUST like the halcyon days over at the DZ. Are we worried about Bruce’s electrical bills goon up?
Lol. Is the mountain starting to erupt yet?
“What Robert is talking about is this: I read his newly written article on Kenny and his house. I then made a comment after the article saying that the article was BS and that Robert should admit who first said that Kenny bought his house with cash, and that it wasn’t Gray.
I figured since he didn’t want to answer here, even though he’s obviously back from his short lived hiatus, that maybe he would answer over there. Actually, I was pretty sure he would avoid it there too.
Bottom line: Blevins had been exposed. It was he who first reported that Kenny bought his home with cash. Not Gray…”
Whoop de frickin’ do. Who the heck can say for sure. I guess I could wade through all my emails between Gray, Porteous, and myself from eight years ago and check that. But I haven’t used that address in years, I don’t have time, and I don’t much care. Besides, I thought the WordPress article addressed that issue pretty well. It shows Geestman was (again) involved in Kenny’s financial affairs right after the hijacking. Or do you think it was just coincidence that Kenny bought a house on kind of weird circumstances from the Grimes couple? Same folks where Geestman served as the Best Man at their wedding. Out of all the houses Kenny could have bought in Bonney Lake/Sumner area, he picks that one. I say we let people judge the results of the article, which I thought was pretty comprehensive.
And by the way….I DID admit I was wrong about the cash purchase in the article. I even said it was another Cooper investigator who brought it to my attention. You must have missed that part. 🙂
Kenny didn’t buy that house under weird circumstances. Just because we don’t know all of the circumstances does not make them weird circumstances. That’s an assumption that you make because it is convenient.
You make claims that Kenny makes $512 and haven’t proved that..it has nothing to do with me, or any movie..a movie is proof now? you also claim to have bank records but fail to show these as well..you show everything else?
Yes, it’s about the truth..I’ll bet lots of people would like to see proof…
either show the tax and bank records, or dismiss it as evidence…you need proof for evidence..saying it for 10 years isn’t proof…
LOL you gave up any rights for special consideration long ago. That information is available, yes. But not to you. Besides, it’s being used elsewhere right now. 🙂 And even if I were to provide it, I wouldn’t post it publicly.
You make a lot of demands for someone who keeps saying he doesn’t want to hear anything from me, and cut off all contact. I’ll give it to you for nerve, that’s for sure. No one here cares what you think, or whether you believe this or that.
Right now, I’m in the middle of creating another video based on the interview I did last Wednesday. I will post up the link at YouTube when it’s finished.
Since you failed to provide evidence in proving someone’s guilt, it can only be dismissed..again, it doesn’t have anything to do with me..you said it multiple times on many sites over the years…now, you play the “it’s being used” lol, that’s a good one..is it a life form that can only surface in one spot…
It’s not a demand to provide proof…what was the excuse in 2010, 11,12 13,14,15,16, and17, “being used elsewhere” 🙂
First, some of that information is confidential, at least for now.
Second, it isn’t fair to discuss Kenny and Company when I can’t give you all the facts.
Third, all I’ve ever gotten from you is a ban, a complaint or two to our AB Forum server, and some rather nasty emails.
Truth is, I wouldn’t give you the time of day. Move on to something else. If I had anything further to release publicly I wouldn’t do it here anyway. I have a WordPress too. And a little nothing forum. I would do it THERE, not to you just because you think I owe you something. I don’t owe you a thing and your opinion means absolutely zip to me. So quit asking. When I can release anything further, you know where you can find it.
Dodge, divert, you don’t owe me anything, you owe it to the story you have been telling for almost a decade..
we will dismiss it…and let it go…..no biggie…
“Dodge, divert, you don’t owe me anything, you owe it to the story you have been telling for almost a decade..
we will dismiss it…and let it go…..no biggie…”
Story changed somewhat after Geestman’s family came forward. Had you asked me PRIVATELY instead of on a public forum…
Or done things other than allow hundreds of trashy posts on your site with my name attached to them…
Or communicated with me with something other than ‘screw you Blevins’…(LOL)
You might have gotten some consideration. You’ve been posting up demands and requests for a couple of days now. Truth is, you just don’t deserve any consideration. Yes…you should let it go.
Stories don’t change records…you are dodging again..this is for the public, not me..you made the claim, not me..you claim to have tax records showing what Kenny made…
Now, since you have decided not to show any proof, we once again dismiss it as fact…sorry..
For the record..Robert Blevins has failed to provide any truth into his allegation of Kenny Christiansen’s finances, and his employment..he has stated for years that he holds these records but fails to provide them for accuracy. this is commonly known as a “red flag” ..this is not the first time Mr. Blevins has refused to backup his story.
I don’t believe Colbert’s story about Rackstraw, but you will clearly see a difference between him and Mr. Blevins. Colbert shows documents, has witnesses come forward to speak on there own behalf. here, you get nothing but chatter about the evidence..
You’re rattling on as if you’re onstage, or in a courtroom or something. Do you really believe anyone around AB, or me personally, cares about what you believe regarding Christiansen? You must be kidding.
First, you allow tons of trashy posts about me, call me a liar, etc. on your website…
Then…when I respond to that on OUR site…you whine to our server and we get shut down.
One of your ex-members trashes our site a SECOND time, and because you blocked all com between us, the only way I had to verify his claims (that he was hired by you to do that) was by going public. You’ve said repeatedly I made accusations, etc. That’s right, I did. The only thing I had to go on was Nicholas Brougham’s word. You were (ahem) unavailable to verify his story…which was YOUR choice.
You get angry about that…and throw the biggest hissy fit I’ve seen in some time.
Now…you ask me to provide you certain information, and you don’t even have the sense to do it out of the public eye. Like I’m stupid or something…like I’m going to tell you things that could trash our contract with the movie companies. Where exactly do you get off with this stuff? It’s laughable. Measured against the possibility of losing the contract, do you really believe I care what you think? It isn’t like you’re trying to prove, or be convinced…that Kenny and Bernie were involved. It’s personal with you. This is why I ignored your requests. Your opinion means zip to me.
Except for the final interview I’m doing with the Geestman extended family soon, our investigation into KC is over. It’s OVER. Wait for the movie like everyone else.
Anytime anyone wishes to discuss something OTHER than KC, feel free to do so. 🙂
After the battle you just had – why are you still here Blevins?
As for myself I just read what I wrote & I realized I am no longer able to communicate very well. I had a brain scan done because the Dr thought I might have had a couple of slight strokes – I found myself on the floor of the kit. face down – no idea how long I was there. The next time I was face down on the carpet in the office – again no idea how I got there or how long I was there.
After reading the post I just tried to make & then went back to read it – it was obvious I need to be very very careful what I say – my prior postings made NO sense to me. IT is difficult to step away from something you know is true – in my case I lived with the subject for many yrs – you didn’t even know Kenny & in my limited abilities with what I know about Kenny – which is something you have always denied – I think you need to step away from this for a while…..
I am not posting until I can get myself together and have the information in hand. You know I have maintained and still maintain the relationship between Kenny & Duane.
It was not coincidence in my opinion….the woman with the horses who came to see Duane before he got real bad – the beautiful suit she had on – the color I can no longer spell, but 377 knows what it was – not blue and not green – I can say the word but I can’t spell it right now…Duane asked her how Kenny was doing – he had been communicating with those from his past with one of the early cell phones. He also asked her if she still had the horses.
You stepped in by answering the same ad I answered….what the man was looking for was a story writer and I answered if for another reason (the subject) the same man found me and talked to me just long enough to find out how much I knew….he was the same man who found me on the computer and then his site went POOF!
Duane asked her how Kenny was doing as his last contact with her – a yr or so before by phone – he knew that Kenny was not doing well. She told me about the horses as Duane started talking about the horses. Remember you were suppose to find out about all of that, but you have excuses for excuses – you live in WA and you did NOT ask her the questions I ask of you to enquire about…
Sorry but I do not think you are a honest person and that you fabricate things. I am trying to type this very slow and not mis-spell words and hope this make sense to you and to others. I am not going to spend my precious time bantering with you on yet another thread.
Kenny was NOT Cooper, but he knew who he was! This was stated when you first came across my story…and you went with the drop and roll. It was a little more than ODD that you stepped in as soon as you read about my accounting of Duane’s confession.
Then YOU went looking – and you started to fabricate a story, I had been talking to the same man you were talking to – and that was ODD. Skipp Porteous! All I was doing was trying to find out what Duane was talking about when he died…the strange story he told me or tried to tell me. You stepped in when the man ran an article trying to find some one who would pounce on his subject – Kenny. You and I both encountered the same man who made claims about Cooper and who he was. Remember Duane told me he was Dan Cooper before he did – I had NO idea what he was talking about so I started to search after I learned how to use a computer – and who replies – Skipp!
You encountered the same man in a similar fashion…did you not ever think about the how and the why? The man claimed to be a PI. and he found me because of my search history.
At that time I didn’t know what a forum was or who Dan Cooper was…and when I did I contacted the FBI they dissed me…I was using a computer in the office after hours to seach for any history I could find on Duane – I did NOT know who DAN Cooper was and had I not been trying to let a suitor down gently by talking about your deceased – I may never have known. The things Duane had told me over the yrs and his non disclosure of his past – I did not know he had been a 6 or 7 time felon. All I was trying to do was find out what he was talking about…
Can anyone even imagine what I was going thru…when his soul left this earth he left me with a puzzle.
The strange encounters Duane had with people during our 17 yr marriage – and that he had strange relationships with people I would eventually read about in books and the people in his life I was trying to find out more about this Dan Cooper – I just wanted to know who the hell I had spent 17yrs of my life with…the strange encounters with politicians, criminals, threats made, – it was during that time I called the FBI and provided them with the information I had. Then low and behold if you didn’t enter the picture…that was more confusing. I have used up what could have been the best yrs of my life trying to find the truth and frankly you fabricated and I just repeated the story Duane old me..
Many times I have cursed Duane in death – and cried out loud “WHY did you tell me anything?”
I lived over 17 yrs with this man & I knew he had a past but he did not try to tell me his past until the last yr before he died….he laid out the back ground on our 1979 trip but I knew nothing about Cooper and didn’t understand what he was telling me…He would introduce me as Jo Collins (my maiden name) and when I called him down by stating in front of one man – my name is Jo Weber – he would move away from the subject…I do not know how he handle the incident in Aspen with the man who made his clubs – the ones I use & I have hit many hole in ones with those persimmon woods…yet I am not a golfer.
I just go to the green and mess around. Oddly the host of one of the threads has a father Duane had told me about – while we were in Colorado and his man takes a spin when I even suggested that his father and Duane knew each other…they DID know each other.
Duane told me about the man in Colorado who built something with the ski industry and low and be hold if the host of one of the threads was not his son….but denies what I have just said. There was 3 men who took me to FT. Lauderdale supposedly to do a movie contract – the truth was – they needed to know HOW much I knew…if I had know then what I know today – I would have been fish bait – disposed of. One of he men was named Brown and then one by the name of Fucks and I forget the other man’s name. They realized I didn’t really know anything of value and was no risk to them – but my tenacity caused me to have my life threaten more than one time.
The man who who uses the name Georger – I know his real name and enountered him during my search then he is on the forum using Georger…when he found out I knew who he really was – his job was to discredit me – and he is still trying to do that.
You stepped in by answering the same ad I answered….what the man was looking for was a story writer and I answered if for another reason (the subject) the same man found me and talked to me just long enough to find out how much I knew….he was the same man who found me on the computer and then his site went POOF! After I sent a couple of friends there to see what they thought.
LOL…Okay, I will start. Right now I have a one-hour interview that I just finished making into a video version. It is rendering now. Should be ready for YouTube in about 90 minutes. (heavy file to render) Maybe you will learn something new about the case. I will post up the link to it when it’s ready.
Once again, dodging..you were blocked for a reason Robert, stop the “victim” game..yes, you make a lot of false accusations, admit to them as well..
Never claimed this to be a courtroom, but when you try and prove something you need to back it up..the movie is not a courtroom either..how do you say it (source please) when you want proof..
It’s not personal Robert…it’s no different if you were Colbert, or anyone else. you have failed over the years to provide any proof of these claims..that’s the bottom line..
My statement remains the same..the so called evidence is dismissed until PROOF is confirmed.
Nicky played you..I had nothing to do with it until you ran your mouth..it’s not my fault you couldn’t get a hold of me..stop twisting the fact that you made it appear true..
would anyone here reading this like to also see proof of these claims?
Nicky played both of us. When you cut off all communication, I had no way to VERIFY with YOU whether he was telling the truth or not. You made yourself ‘unavailable for comment’ and that’s not my fault. Since we know you were responsible for shutting us down at least one other time, what did you expect? You must really fear us to go to all that trouble. The only reason I can figure is you are defending all the negativity you’ve engaged in regarding Adventure Books, and myself personally. Tons of posts, tons of supporting posts by your core members. And maybe it’s occurred to you that if you are somehow wrong about all that, wrong on Kenny, that you would be pegged as the biggest fool who ever walked DB Cooper Road. I guess I would be worried, too.
Don’t come to me with questions after all you’ve done. You can’t have it both ways.
I don’t care about your statements or opinions regarding the case against Kenny. He’s a polarizing subject anyway. Either people believe strongly he’s Cooper, or they believe just as strongly he isn’t. There doesn’t seem to be a middle ground on him.
Stop saying I was banned for ‘behavior’. My name was on the banned list before I ever joined, even before your website was actually going. I was only there for a day or two, and a couple of minor posts. Meanwhile, you have invested many posts, and much effort coming after us. I used to care about that. Now I don’t.
You’re just the guy who couldn’t stand it and went after our server when we stood up to you. Hell…we don’t even discuss Cooper anymore at the AB Forum. I’ve restricted my postings on the case mostly to WordPress.
If you’re so convinced that Kenny is innocent, then why come to me about it? Everyone has a right to their opinions. You have yours. I’m not trying to convince you otherwise. So run with that and stop bugging me. Your history with AB and myself personally doesn’t lend itself to me doing you any favors, and I certainly couldn’t care less what you think.
Video should be finished soon. The rendering eats up a lot of RAM, so I had to hold on World of Tanks for a while. 🙂 That’s the only reason I’m even responding to you.
No, Robert. I had nothing to do with it, and being blocked doesn’t buy your way out of lying about the whole thing..you said nothing about it possibly being false..you went full steam ahead making it appear true, so stop whining about things that got you in trouble with me in the first place.
You said it might be false once you were confronted about it…Nicky was wrong, and you were wrong, period..being blocked doesn’t give you the right to post it as something true..
Whatever…
Link to the recent interview below.
Listened to it..didn’t learn a damn thing….same old story….
By the way, nobody hates you Robert…just more accusations..people hate the things you do, the things you get wrong etc.
Nobody hates you either. Hate is a big word. You’ll have to define ‘people’ for me though, other than the same old stuff by the same old members LOL.
Problem is, even when people give it to you straight, you can’t handle it because you have a personal agenda, and that sort of gets in the way. 🙂
Someone woke the dog. The little ol mountain news needs to find a marketing executive. Bruce is too busy overseeing the mud wrestling.
I listened to the interview..it’s funny how you claim Cooper didn’t want the flight crew in the back of the plane in fear of being recognized..they were men, and Cooper didn’t want them around him for reason of being over taken…Kenny was a purser, so the odds would be better of a stew spotting Kenny since they spend more time with each other. You kind of give it away saying this. You admit that it’s obvious Kenny could easily be noticed. You say Kenny was partially bald, but it’s more like completely bald on top. A toupee would be easily spotted from a distance and Kenny would have been noticed with or without the toupee.
It’s just plain crazy that an employee would take such a risk. He hated his job so much that he continued to work there decades after the hijacking..then fails to show up at company events in fear of being recognized again lol..working there is okay, nobody will recognize him, but an event, oh no, they will spot him for sure lol….
“This old house” why would Kenny make such a deal with the house not to draw attention? Who was accusing him of being Cooper in 1972, was he on the FBI’s radar? You had no problem for years stating it was purchased for cash…no worries about attention, same for a $5,000 loan..you exploited these so called facts. The house purchased in cash was a “proven fact” for years.
The flight crews were checked by the FBI. I’m guessing even more in Seattle and Portland. I’ll bet they knew exactly where the employee’s were during this time period. They wouldn’t look into Kenny’s finances unless they had good reason.
Keep in mind that I’m not the one spreading rumors about posters, nor do I put words into peoples mouths saying they hate people. I go after the data you supply, that’s how it’s done. You once again made a false accusation that I hate you, or members of my forum hate you. just like the incident with Nicky, it’s flat our wrong.
Edit to above…should read “flat out wrong”
Everyone has their own opinions on Kenny, and whether or not he could be the hijacker. Here are some basic points:
1) You ‘go after the data I supply’. There’s a reason why the last release I ever did regarding new info on Kenny goes clear back to August of 2016. Because anything we learned after that is more or less covered under the confidentiality agreement we have with the studios. There has been one additional interview with Geestman’s family since that time, with a final one coming soon.
2) We shouldn’t even be discussing Kenny Christiansen and Bernie Geestman. Because I can’t discuss the information that finally convinced the studios we were right…and this situation means that not only is everyone wasting their time, but that it isn’t fair to the public. If you heard the interview, you notice I sort of go around a few things because I just can’t talk about them.
3) If you wanted to be included in the information loop on EVERYTHING, (there are a very few people who do know everything, not many though) you shouldn’t have rejected everything we offered. The offers to your website for inclusion, the offers to Marty and Bruce were real. They have all now been rescinded.
4) I know it’s a cop out, but my answer to you is the same. Wait for the movie. Wait for the updated book. Both will come out at the same time. We’re coordinating the third, and final edition of the book, to coincide with the release of the picture.
5) You were responsible for getting the AB Forum shut down at least once. No use trying to fudge on that. Possibly one other time, but not the Nicky thing. Right or wrong, this does not generate trust in either you or your members. Look at it from our point of view for a moment. You get to say whatever you want at the Cooper Forum about us. If we speak up a peep in return, you start complaining to our server. Basically, we just want you to do whatever it is you do over there and leave us alone. To us, you are always trouble. Nothing good can come of it, and we no longer discuss Cooper (much) at the AB Forum, and I have a rule now that no one will talk about the Cooper Forum or any of its members at the AB Forum. If they do, I will delete their comments and ban them permanently. I’m actually glad we only have a few members. My job is made much easier, and I’m going pretty restrictive on who I will allow to join now. Almost nobody. After the NickyB incident, I no longer trust anyone except people I know. Since the site is completely open to the public, all links, all pictures, all threads available to guests…I don’t CARE if we get any additional members.
6) Your opinions are noted regarding KC. I have no problem with that. But there just isn’t any other new information I can tell you, so just go ahead and say he’s not the guy…you are sure about it…and that’s fine. Otherwise, wait for the movie, wait for the book.
Don’t have hard feelings about that. I have to tell this to most people right now anyway. 🙂
Robert, when you do something wrong, shit happens, no? you were shut down for a reason. you can’t even accept that. you take zero blame in anything that is tied to you..including accusations.
Your IP has been blocked, just as you have done to others., you choose to sneak in a take material off my site without permission..posting full portions, not just snippets, or a paragraph of a larger comment..you were filling up your forum with topics about me and my forum. you do the very same thing you claim others do? I have never made a dedicated thread focused on you..you have done this multiple times. the last major comment was on the off topic thread, not dedicated to Mr. Blevins..that was over a year ago..if I wish to talk about Kenny, it’s your fault you can’t respond, not mine, nor is it a rule that I can’t.
the bottom line again is the fact of you putting words into my mouth making false accusations. it’s wrong, but it never stops you..
Well…looks like we don’t do that anymore, do we…:)
Anything else? I will check back this evening. I have Driving Miss Daisy duty today.
I don’t think there’s any way to reconcile this situation. Everybody has their side, and both sides have been presented at length. I think my last post pretty much covered everything I had to say. We will have to agree to disagree. No other option.
Well…looks like we don’t do that anymore, do we…:)
You just did it Robert…false accusations are piling up on your end…
Under your rules wouldn’t this site be a bad place? it’s full of false accusations, or is it ok because you made them? isn’t this thread grounds for hatred and misinformation, or again, it’s ok because you made them?
You accuse all through the thread making false statements, and yet complain about other sites?
You made false claims that I tried to get information off your site through another person, and turn right around stating you would do what ever it takes to make sure you can view my site which includes using someone experienced with hacking..
You accused me of trying to conspire with someone to try and stop a film production…
You make these claims multiple times..5, 6 times…
Then, you go on a podcast putting words into mouths stating I hate you, along with other people on my forum also having the same view..isn’t that your view vs mine, or the others?
Isn’t everything you did something you claim to be so against, presenting things falsely?
Brad Meltzer has a new book, “The Escape Artist.” Isn’t this Blevins friend from the documentary?
Yes…
Shutter: You’re not going to sit there and actually try to convince the public that you and the users at your site don’t absolutely hate AB and myself personally? Who do you think you are fooling with that line? Even your own members know better.
There are literally hundreds of mentions of my name, or AB, a few on Gayla, at your website. None of them except a few done by 377 are anywhere near positive. Most are downright insulting. Two of your current members were identified as being involved in the famous Regina Winkles WordPress fiasco. I have emails from you that basically begin with ‘Screw you, Blevins.’
False accusations? Maybe they are false. Basically, it is just your word against Nicholas Brougham’s. He says you paid him to join our site. He uses the word ‘we’ in his accompanying emails that he sent after the AB Forum was closed. I choose to believe you. Maybe I was wrong about that. After all, you did make complaints to our server at least once, perhaps twice. Both times we were shut down. The third time was the Nicky incident. And you made it impossible for me to verify whether he was being truthful or not, because you bragged that you had fixed it so I couldn’t contact you.
So please stop whining. If you wouldn’t mind. There’s a line from the famous movie, ‘The Outlaw Josie Wales.’ Goes like this:
“Don’t piss down my back and try to tell me it’s raining…” 🙂
Bullshit, you have intentionally tried to do damage here..this is exactly what you are against..you went as far as to say I paid someone..it’s not the point of it being false, it’s the point of you stating it as fact. you are using this site as a tool..you brought my name into this site, nobody else but you. this isn’t about my site. it’s about what you state here. this is your agenda.
also, please tell me where I’m close to “slander” on my website..the documents shown, or the fake story about bullet fragments in your arm? hows Greg doing discussing this with my server? just more lies Robert..
Yes, I know, you can’t tell me…
You sound like a kid whose mother turned him away from the cookie jar. The bullet fragment is REAL, not that it’s really any of your business. Just because I misstated the caliber once doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, LOL. Why the hell would I tell a story like that (showing how STUPID I was that day) unless it were true. 🙂 Only an idiot fires his Belgian Browning Challenger 22 at a big wooden board from a dozen feet away…without looking to see if the board is sitting up against a boulder. Yeah, I did that. Talk about stupid. Yes, I was an IDIOT that day. Multiple fragments from the CCI minimag came back at me at close range. One hit the side of my shoe. OW. One brushed my hat. The other felt like a bee sting in my arm. A few days later the bump appeared. Meh…one of these days I suppose I will have it removed. And by the way…the doctor does NOT turn you in to the cops for a gunshot wound for a little bump on your arm with a fragment in there half or less the size of a BB. I waited a couple of months to see him, by then it was just a bump. I heard you said that as well..that you knew I was lying because a doctor would have turned me in for a ‘gunshot wound’. Well, he didn’t.
Nobody is trying to trash you here. The fact is…you allow negative comments about me and AB and sometimes even Gayla to appear at your website. By the score. Then when I start standing up to you…you go after our server. The only time we deserved that was when we published G’s phone number. Yes…that was my fault.
I have a famous picture from your website I keep on file. It’s one of your posts and has these big red letters at the top. Says: FINAL NOTICE! Goes on to tell your members that trash talk with my name attached will no longer be allowed. That was a few years ago. I think they ignored you or something. 🙂
You don’t like it when someone stands up to you, do you? Well, you got what you wanted at the AB Forum. We don’t discuss you or your site anymore, EVER. I apologize if you mistook me for someone who just ‘takes it’ without defending myself. Never was much for that.
PS: Greg and your server. When I thought you were using copyright images of Kenny on your site, I told Greg we might do a DCMA or whatever complaint. Then I decided not to do that to you because I didn’t want to be blamed for your site being shut down for ten days. Then…I found out the image was Geoff Gray’s anyway. He no longer visits your site. None of us do anymore. I think its been over two weeks now since the last visit. Gets easier all the time, and frankly…I don’t want to see whatever is being posted there.
‘He no longer visits your site…’ (Greg)
*Warning! Actual Cooper-related comment!*
I have seen your two documents regarding the deed of trust on Dawn Androsko and the sale of the land by Kenny. Those are easily explained. Androsko was divorced in 1971 and did not go by that last name. Androsko was her SECOND husband. She was not married at the time of the hijacking and she and her four kids were living with the Geestmans’.
Kenny bought the land on the cheap and made small payments. You should check on when he actually paid it off. He made a ton of money on it because back when he bought it, land was cheap in that area. When he sold it in ’92, land was much more expensive. It was purchased for the trees on it, mostly. A no lose for either Kenny or the buyer. The buyer sells the trees for a bunch, then probably develops the land. I hear it is now located where the Bonney Lake Safeway is now.
Your mortgage on KC’s house only explains HALF the price of the home. Just saying.
Editor’s Note:
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are done here. This site is now officially closed. No further posts will be allowed.
Bickering is one thing, and germane to a passionate inquiry into the DB Cooper case. Character assassination is something else, and will not be tolerated in any form.
I have tired warning people and some have modified their behaviors. Others have not. Tonight, I received three emails from Shutter identifying objectionable statements. I agreed that the statements are unacceptable. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
In the future, if anyone feels that they have vital DB Cooper information that would be of critical importance to our community, send it to me in an email and I will consider posting it somewhere on the Mountain News.
In the meantime, this forum is closed. The following is a compendium of the emails Shutter sent to me. They are only a part of what has been weeks-long communications with him about this issue.
Goodnight, and Good Luck.
Mountain News, termination of DBC commentary, 3. 25. 18
Communications from Shutter:
Bruce, his actions are obvious on your site…this is not typical trash talk..he has taken advantage what appears to have been a joke from Nicky and exploited it into reality. it’s very damaging. people were believing it..he continues to toss accusation out that are either misleading, or completely false. several have complained about the rants, but it continues.
All he is there for is to promote and use the site to get at me since his doesn’t work. when he states things said on the forum about Kenny, or how wrong we are is one thing, but to knowingly accusing someone of conspiring, and payments being made are another.
The accusations need to stop..you are being used Bruce..personally, yes, he should be banned..he even agreed that he should so he couldn’t respond anymore..does that sound healthy? it was several days ago he stated this..I can’t tell you what to do, but something needs to be done to restore order..he will never stop…
I’ve read most of the comments on your thread. how could you allow Robert to continue to accuse me of all these things? he went as far as stating I paid someone to join his forum..this was very damaging what he did Bruce, and you allowed it to continue..you took his side by standing down.
He mentions this many times over for weeks. parrot stepped in to try and get to the truth. as usual, it took post after post to get him to admit it was false.
1) accused me of conspiring with someone to join his forum for information.
2) accused me of payments made to join Roberts forum.
3) accused me of trying to stop the production of a movie.
4) accused me of trying to shut down his website, not his forum.
5) accused me of hiring Nicky to represent me.
This was all mentioned over 8 or 9 times, probably more if I really looked. he brought it up while nobody was talking about me..he is obviously using the forum as a tool to get his agenda heard. you protect him while damage gets done to me! you claim to ignore his emails, but allow him to carry on making crap up.. a heads up sure would of been nice…
Robert is nothing but trouble…
This is just a couple quotes from your site.
January 2018
1) Shutter pays some hack a few bucks to join our forum under false pretenses, just so Shutter can get a look at a closed thread we had going at the AB Forum. No one can see it anyway, since I was the only registered member on the site.
2) Then Shutter gets him to make a complaint to ProBoards to shut us down. That’s paranoia, folks. That is OBSESSION. It is also phony, and I’ll tell you why.
3) Another message from Shutter’s lawyer. He says: ‘Mr. Blevins, this is just the start we will be seizing the abs website domain and sending a cease and desist to your producers advising to stop the production of this movie or face legal recourse…’ ( sent by Nicholas Broughton, who allegedly represents Shutter.)
4) I know they were angry with me over the AB Forum thread ‘Baloney at the DB Cooper Forum’. So Shutter hired himself a lawyer to join the forum because that thread was private to members only. Lawyer took screenshots and made a complaint, I assume. Forum was shut down the next day.
If you guys would like to continue discussing the case I have made a discord chat for us cooperites here’s the link https://discord.gg/scMMSA looking forward to seeeing all my mouuntain news posters there!
I am going to make Nicholas Brougham’s emails public on WordPress…
Actually, I have decided against that. Let me say this. Everyone has a side in this issue. Everyone has gone to great lengths to DEFEND their ‘side’ in this. But no one really gains here. Shutter’s angry because we thought he hired a guy who shows at Facebook as a lawyer to get our forum closed. Okay…maybe he didn’t. THIS time. But there have been OTHER times where he did. When he cut off contact, we had no way to verify Nicholas Brougham’s claims. So this situation is partially Shutter’s fault. He says it isn’t, but if you can’t contact someone to ask whether or not they actually hired a lawyer to trash your site…and the lawyer says you did…you come to an impasse.
This whole thing is going nowhere, though. And it hurts Bruce, and that’s the part I don’t like. Emails to work this out would have been better than just using Bruce’s site as a battleground.
I’ve thought about it for a while, and this is what I have decided to do to defuse this whole thing.
I’m going to restrict access to the AB Forum to members only, and registration will be restricted. Don’t worry, we won’t be talking about the Cooper Forum there. I’m also blocking all emails that come from anyone I know at the Cooper Forum with the exception of one member, because he is also a member of OUR forum. This includes Mark M, aka 377. I really don’t wish to hear from any of you further.
I will continue to screen all comments made to my Cooper WordPress column, as well as our YouTube videos. I’m not seeking comments to them anyway.
I wish you all the best of luck. I think this will eventually quiet down this situation. Eventually you will get bored discussing me, or AB, or whatever, and move on to other things. 🙂
Wise decision Mr. Blevins
Robert this discussion has now moved over to https://discord.gg/scMMSA please no more comments here
Thanks for the invite, but I’m going to take a pass on that.
same here 🙂
I’m not trying to have the last word here, but…an important observation. Shutter and I are on the same page with this one, I think. Nicky managed to pull a ‘punk’d’ on both of us. As if we’re going to join some discussion hosted by the same guy who did all that to us. Not a chance. Meanwhile, over at the AB Forum, we no longer discuss anything Cooper, nor do I personally create threads or post links about it, and I have a strict rule about negative posts regarding any other site (or it’s members) that are currently working on the Cooper case. That back-and-forth scenario was becoming not only boring, but going nowhere.
Frankly, I think the upcoming movie is the biggest thing we will ever do on the Cooper case, and there is no way to match it. So we’re moving on. I have a movie on the homeless situation in Seattle to direct soon, and that is much more important to me than anything Cooper-related. People like Nicky can take a long walk off a very short pier. Sincerely, Robert
If memory serves me right, Robert punk’ed Shutter a few years ago by entering his forum under a fictitious name. Nicky is one of the many, in IMO, and shouldn’t be singled out.
been reading the DZ…several of us had an idea it was Robert by the IP address…trust me, it wasn’t a shock…
I see nothing has changed here….
“If memory serves me right, Robert punk’ed Shutter a few years ago by entering his forum under a fictitious name. Nicky is one of the many, in IMO, and shouldn’t be singled out…”
Yes, he should. Prior to Shutter establishing his website, there were some public discussions on whether I should be allowed on board. Answer was no. And because I am a bit stubborn, I joined anyway under a username. I made a couple of harmless posts.
A couple of days later, I said who I was quite freely, and was banned. Looking back today, I’m glad I wasn’t allowed to post there because chances are good we wouldn’t have gotten the movie. Neither did I play people off against each other, or cause a website to be shut down, or claim I was Shutter’s lawyer and was now going after our main website, film company, etc. as Nicky did. You can see his emails on that on request, just as Shutter did.
My policy is much simpler today. Members at the Cooper Forum do what they want, say what they want, even tossing in the occasional insult if they want, and I no longer comment about it. I don’t even visit there anymore. I think this was the best solution for everyone. I don’t mean this in a bad or nasty way. It’s just better for everyone, and makes it less likely that another Nicky incident will happen in the future.
Instead of using your own site you come here to dump your laundry. you have been using my name here time and time through out the thread. you complain I talk about you while you disrupt this thread about me. this starts rather soon into the comments.
YOU made the “Nicky incident” occur…YOU knew it was probably BS but decided to make it appear as truth. you whine that we say things about you, really? you filled this thread up with false accusations against me, and here we are once again discussing shutter?
How many more comments will you make claiming you won’t respond on this site? you “refuse” to discuss me, or my site on your own forum so you come here and do it…then tell people they have nerve coming here talking off topic and disrespecting Bruce?????the discussion of the Cooper letters left the building not long after the comments start and go right into “Shutter” you do the very same thing you seem to be so against? should I count how many time you “mention” my name here and go on other forums telling people you use my name over a hundred times on one thread, or have a friend call and hangup on some of my members?
STOP speaking for me! I never seen the emails, I applied the block soon after it was known to be a bunch of lies, so I have no reason to see them.
Bruce?
“Bickering is one thing, and germane to a passionate inquiry into the DB Cooper case. Character assassination is something else, and will not be tolerated in any form.”
when you get SHUTDOWN, you have done something WRONG. stop blaming others for your own actions.
Take your own advise and move on….
You disrespect me on your forum, I tell what I think of that and I get shutdown for disrespect. I think your being a hypacrit Shutter.
No, you got suspended for saying “FU Shutter” ..the post was not directed at you, it had none of your comments on it…it was a joke..had a lol, and the funny guy laughing, along with me saying “are you guys trying to kill me”..you did this once before and quit. since you brought this here, you can stay here.
Good day….
Enough. The Site Scrubbing has begun, as per earlier instructions.
Bruce’s site is so much more entertaining. Shutter has a great technical site with a few wise-asses for occasional eye-rolling commentary. But Bruce lets you show up to his site with the parachute off. Isn’t this what the majority of Cooper victims seek? No chute……….no pull………..no sh*t.
It’s a good technical site. IMO they need to treat people new to the forum better.
“a few wise-asses for occasional eye-rolling commentary”
I can find about a hundred of those comments and posters here…no sh*t! most are fake accounts running a round here…
I understand that there is both entertainment value and a degree of research benefit to an “everything goes” environment. But since professional reputations and personal character are impugned here with a too-oft frequency, I feel I have to draw the line. I tend to draw it at RMB’s posts at the moment because I find his comments are the most problematic. If they, or anyone’s posts, are excessively provocative – in my judgement – and do not further the DB Cooper investigation, they go.
Keep it clean, gentlemen. Bruce got over 40,000 viewers to his internet mag a few years ago. There are witnesses.
Thanks for the update Galen….
To Bruce: I suggested some time ago that it might be better if you just established a SEPARATE thread if people need some outlet for comments. ‘Comments from Cooperland’ or something, maybe. I dunno…
I agree that huge numbers of comments to one of your WordPress articles, comments having zip to do with the actual article you published, is a problem. I have two WordPress sites, but I’m not actively seeking traffic to them. So I review all comments before allowing them to appear. But if you’re going to allow heavier traffic, and most of those comments and traffic might come from controversial sources…then you should set up a special thread (article or whatever) for that. This way it makes much more sense.
I see you are caught in a sort of tough place. And you do have my sympathies about it. You can fix this easily.
Now as far as any contributions I might make, I already said we no longer discuss suspects at the AB Forum, and I don’t allow any comments (negative OR positive) about the Cooper Forum. I’ve already stated my reasons for that. It just causes conflict. That policy has been going for a while now, so the Cooper Forum can relax. Nothing will be said about them. On the other hand, when people post up inaccurate information about me personally, heck yes…I’m going to respond to that. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, although YOU have the right to determine what that ‘right’ actually entails, because it’s YOUR news column. We are closer to the same page than you might believe.
Quite truthfully, the other site is boring and stale. Same small handful of retirees posting a bunch of drivel. No excitement. Composted supposition. Bruce has entertainment. Even Blevins livens up the party.
When I first talked to Bruce A Smith and told him what I was about, he said “whoa, whoa, whoa” and that “he was not a detective.” My guess would be that he was taking some flack for some things in his book from some people from Cooperland. To today’s main point: The FBI would have received one hell of a pile crank letters following the Cooper caper, but it’s the documents that they retained that speaks volumes. All of these same items show linkage to one another, whether it be the body of the document, the envelopes they came in and/or the source they came from. Here’s some facts: 1) The “SKY MARSHALLS ” envelope has several odd little figurines incorporated on it. 2) No less than three of these somewhat subtle figurines are found on the JonBenet’ Ramsey ransom note, especially obvious, but subtle, is the little Christian cross hint in “AIRPORT” with the letter I. 3) The “SKY MARSHALLS” envelope also shows hints to several Zodiac killer documents. 4) The FBI files clearly show that they were comparing the documents involved to the Zodiac killer documents. 5) The “PLAYBOY cutouts/ system that beats the system” document contains evidence that whomever composed it possessed inside crime scene knowledge. Bear in mind that ALL of the documents taunt the “I knew” letter’s taunting message. 5) These subtle figurines are a “SMOKING GUN”, in terms of solid evidence linking ALL three of the crime series.
My “agenda” is “seeking the truth, in and especially in the heinous and highly planned out Ramsey murder.” The evidence led me to the Cooper caper.
I do agree with Shutter when he says phony accounts are a problem. You can set parameters for comments, preventing people from posting under phony identities. What’s the point of taking someone’s post seriously when you can’t even be sure they are coming from a real person? At least Shutter has an identity that can be confirmed, so you know when he posts…it’s coming from him and not some fourth-grader from Kankakee, Illinois.
Robert Blevins makes a highly incriminating remark with that “fourth-grader” comment, whether he realizes it or not! Better review the Amerithrax/anthrax letters Blevins and gulp.
Terry: what “inside crime scene knowledge” are you talking about? The phrase “System that beats the system,” standing on its own seems to indicate a grudge more than “inside crime scene knowledge.” Please clarify.
I was a consultant, subject-matter expert on the DB Cooper case for the FBI office in Reno NV. After he jumped the B-727 landed in Reno with three chutes still on board. One of the chest chutes was missing the container and he had jumped with an NB-8. From the time the back ramp dropped we figured he exited over the Willamette Valley in OR. Some tracks were found from that night walking out of a field and got into a vehicle.
To subsequent cases I worked on resulted in convictions, McCoy in UT and Heady in NV, but there are still some unanswered questions about the DB Cooper case. I have some ideas…..
Wow, Gene. Thanks for posting. I’d love to hear some of your ideas. I have some questions, too: three chutes on Flight 305? I’ve never heard that before. Cooper used an NB-8? Why do you say that? Cossey told me that he sent his NB-8 to Boeing Field, not Sea-Tac, and there are no records I have seen that anyone at Sea-Tac received Cossey’s chutes, whereas the documentation available seems to support Hayden’s claims that his back chutes were used.
The witness at the other end in Portland was Earl (Mouse) Causey. He picked out two pilot rigs as back packs and two training reserves for chest packs. He easily could have picked a sport rig hanging in the next room. We figured DB must have put the $200K in the reserve container he took with him. Without “D” rings on the pilot rig he had to have hooked the snaps up to the leg “V” rings.
On the “system” cutouts document, every single one of the letters used came from different and specific pages of the two Playboy magazines. One of those pages was an ad for clip-on ties, with the letter W in “Well”. The public did not know about a clip-on tie being left behind by the UNSUB. Furthermore, each of the pages involved invoked a “theme” hint , one hinted “career killers”, another for a wig ad, another for an ad for gin, another was a reference “For people who are not ashamed of having brains,” header, another was a masked highway patrol man, another for scotch whiskey, “the system, etc” line was from a Magnavox ad, the p in Cooper was from a “The Lazy Pipe Tobacco” ad, (perhaps a marijuana trafficking reference?)…and more. All of the taunting documents that the FBI retained are linked to the same person, and this same person had inside crime scene knowledge, as the clip-on tie ad demonstrates. Furthermore, we now know that the clip-on tie has over 200ea highly specialized particles in addition to the pure titanium shavings. The odds of one such garment picking all of those particles by chance is very low, which indicates that they were applied to the tie intentionally. to act as a specific message.
If the hijacking was truly done for money, the UNSUB could easily have had a much higher sum of money wired through various foreign accounts. It was therefore truly a “system that beat the system” operation. It probably shortened old J Edgar Hoover’s life too.
Our suspect was leaving a journal of evidence, that’s what we see.
Nice job, Terry.
Thanks Johnnie, but also wanna give credit to some other people for this work. Whomever posted this video linked here, did some good work, but I don’t believe they fully realized the dimensions of what they had found: New DB Cooper Letter Reveals Intriguing New Insights, on YouTube, posted by DbCooperDecoded. We were able to augment their findings, but I have to admit that I don’t have an answer as to what every single one of the pages might have fully meant to the author, but we’re currently working on that aspect of it. BTW, the “I knew” letter has a similar theme and outline that we’ve seen in earlier documents, and quite frankly it’s the sort of letter we would expect to find. That letter and the rest of the taunting letters make it clear that he’s exposing that the FBI knew damn good and well who was behind this caper, but that they couldn’t do much about it, except to subtly cover it up. Therefore, and based on our work, the overall taunting that all of the letters show, has a much greater meaning and dimension to it. My associate posted two Zodiac FBI file horoscope with cutouts documents that clearly predate and foretold the Cooper skyjacking in 1969. Even the Zodiac killer’s Skeleton card hints at the the upcoming Cooper caper.
Point of order: Cossey did not select any rigs for the hijacker. He had packed them though, some time prior to the hijacking. From the official FBI document submitted by Special Agent John Detlor, a short time after the hijacking:
“SE 164- 81 (Retyped from the document at FBI.gov)
JSD:klb (JSD is ‘John H. Detlor,’ an FBI agent assigned to the case early-on)
Parachutes
Mr. George Harrison, Northwest Airlines (NWA), Flight Operations, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, (SeaTac) advised that he talked with Mr. Barry Halstead of Pacific Aviation at Boeing Field, Seattle, in order to secure parachutes to furnish to the hijacker in this matter. He stated that two parachutes were obtained through Halstead, these two parachutes being back pack parachutes. He stated that two chest pack parachutes which were also furnished to the hijacker were obtained from Mr. Linn Emerick of Seattle Sky Sports in Issaquah, Washington. He stated that these two chest pack parachutes were transported to Sea-Tac by the Washington State Patrol.
Mr. Barry Halstead, Pacific Aviation, Boeing Field, Seattle, advised that the two back pack parachutes which were furnished to Northwest Airlines were obtained from a Mr. Norman Hayden of Hayden Manufacturing Company at Renton, WA.
Mr. Norman Hayden, Hayden Manufacturing Company, Renton, advised that two back pack parachutes which were his property, were furnished to Northwest Airlines. He stated that he called a taxicab in Kent, Washington, and had the taxi cab deliver the parachutes to Boeing Flight Service, Seattle. He described the two back pack parachutes as follows:
1) Civilian luxury type, tan soft cotton material outside, 26-foot white canopy inside. The parachute inside is a military parachute. The parachute has a foam pad cushion and a fray mark down the rib on the back from rubbing on metal.
2) A military back pack parachute, standard olive-drab green on outside, 28-foot white canopy on inside. He stated that this parachute also has a foam pad cushion.
He stated that both parachutes bore lead seals which had not been broken, and it is possible that the seals may bear a confidential number, such as a rigger’s number. He stated that both of his parachutes were assembled for him by Mr. Earl Cossey, who works at Sky Sports at Issaquah, Washington, and has a telephone number of SU-3-0475. Hayden said he can positively identify both of his back pack parachutes.
Correction: John S. Detlor, not John H.
I’m a little confused, Gene, RE: “The witness at the other end in Portland was Earl (Mouse) Causey.”
1. Witness? To what?
2. other end? of what?
3. Portland? The hijacking started in Portland. What ended there?
4. Earl Causey? Who is he? Earl Cossey, the rigger?
5. Mouse? Never heard that nickname for anyone.
That said, I believe there is a 302 floating around that does mention a “Mr. Causey” as a reporter for the Seattle Times, covering the DB Cooper story. Is that who you are talking about?
Gene, as you can see, you are knocking heads with some pretty savy researchers. You will be challenged here. Can you point us to any records that show you were a “consultant” on the Norjack case? Dr. Palmer was a consultant and the records show this. Also, your statement of three chutes is at odds with Larry Carr and Ralph Himmelsbach, who both say two chutes. Both agents were Norjack investigators.
If your claim is true, what happened to the cigarette butts? Who was the lead Norjack agent in 11/71?
Jo Weber speaks about Mouse….
You’re correct, Shut. I KNEW in the back of my mind that I had heard that somewhere before.
Norman Hayden told me in an interview that the chute Cooper actually jumped with was purchased by him in *about* 1968, and that it was plenty old already when he got it. He said he didn’t care, and bought it on the cheap because it was a new requirement for sport flying. And that he had no real intention of ever using it. I never asked him whether the one he would wear while sport flying was the C-9 canopy, but I got the idea it wasn’t. I.E….that when required he was wearing the one you see now at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma.
That document above I posted…he asked for a hi-res printed version (he had not seen it until I showed it to him) which he said he wanted to print up and put into a little frame in his office.
Yep, Mouse Cossey gave them two NB6 pilot rigs without D rings and two student training reserves. When the 727-100 landed in Reno the FBI had me look at the ones left in the plane and I talked with Cossey on their phone. He took one NB6 and put the money in the chest container, leaving the canopy, the other reserve and NB6 in the plane when he jumped out.
When I spoke with Mouse Causey from the FBI office on a conference call to Portland, he told me he gave them two NB-6 pilot rigs with 26’Navy Conical unmodified canopies and two T-7 chest training reserves with 550 cord tying the canopy for teaching hand deploy.
I inspected what was left in the plane and it was one of the Twill training reserve canopies minus the pack and one NB-6. We determined Cooper put the $200K inside the missing chest container and probably attached the butterfly snaps to the V-rings on the leg hardware as there were no D rings on the harness.
Cooper had demanded two rigs and threatened to take a stewardess with him, thus guaranteeing the chutes would not be sabotaged.
Ah, we’re back to the NB-6s. BTW, did the Mouse ever tell you who drove the chutes from Boeing Field to Sea-Tac? When I asked him, he got, um,…upset…
Also, how did the Steinthaul get onboard? We’ve been told by numerous people that a Pioneer rig with a 26-foot Steinthaul inside was retrieved at Reno. No?
Gene, you speak so authoritatively it is downright delightful. But can you corroborate any of this?
Don’t feed the trolls, Bruce. It has been well established via FBI documents where and how the chutes came from. I know you interviewed Norman Hayden as well.
The chutes provided by Hayden were a rental arranged between he and NWA. He actually did get paid by the airline, but payment stopped when the FBI confiscated the remaining chute. That’s how just a letter Hayden paid a lawyer to send to the FBI eventually got him the second chute returned…the one he donated to the WA State History Museum. It’s a pretty simple matter.
Gene, or whoever he actually is in real life, hasn’t done his research.
Actually, we all just got plunked by Georger, uh, Gene. Slow month at Shutters site.
Ha. “Plunked?” Punked while walking the plank? Only Georger could dream up that one and stir up a brew of crap.! More than one way to make yourself relevant, when all the explaining has been done about a decade ago.
Bruce’s site has become a splinter site of Shutters for good reason. Shutter demands respectful dialogue from all who visit, EXCEPT certain allies; Georger, Robett99 who is old enough to be Coopers grandfather.
Ted, stop assuming you know everything…you guys sure do a lot of complaining about my site while you fill this one up with false accusation and crap! you never did answer Bruce asking for your full name while complaining about usernames?
This has become a gossip thread…..
everyone gets old Ted, even you…just a matter of time…
Notice to MARLA and All:
Posting personal information about anyone is forbidden at the Mountain News. This includes, real names, phone numbers, email addresses, and the like. Exceptions are made for those who are public figures, like Tom Cruise, or for those individuals who have made that information public in some prior posting, like me.
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Shutter: Do you think we could stop with the ‘false accusations’ stuff? If you hadn’t blocked me from your email, I would have verified Nicky’s claims with you privately. You WERE responsible for at least one incident (maybe two) that the AB Forum was closed down. Because you made complaints to our server. That’s fine. Now we don’t discuss your site anymore, or any of your members, okay? But you have to admit that since you had a history of doing that to us, that Nicky’s claim that you hired him and he was an attorney, etc had some merit on its face. He made fools out of BOTH of us and probably laughed while we pointed fingers at each other.
Moving on…to Cooper stuff I hope.
don’t start Robert……stop blaming me for your actions….this was never the place to start with…you continue to dredge up things that have been resolved…MOVE ON.
for the 10th and final time…being blocked doesn’t give you the right to post things as truth when you know they might be false…I had nothing to do with any part of it…you repeated this many times over. here you are again after warnings about off topic rants, and yet you continue to push this crap. you stated multiple times you were no longer posting here, even gave a farewell statement, only to return as if you said nothing, and still crying victim and shifting blame..
You got shutdown obviously for doing something wrong. your fault, not mine. the server shut you down..you make threats to people constantly, but don’t like the same impact coming your way!
Bruce has warned you and yet you continue to stay off topic…Shutter, Shutter, Shutter..do you dream about me, everywhere you go, Shutter, Shutter, Shutter????????
I’m not going to respond to you anymore on this particular subject. If somebody tries using your name again, says they represent you, says you paid them to do whatever….I will try your website contact link and let you know. Hopefully you would see it, so there would be no need to go public on anything. I doubt it will happen again, though. We’re on the lookout for that.
In Cooper News, a deal has been finalized for a partnership of two studios to do the film. So except for the script review stuff, I no longer have any control over the picture. I still retain some control there, and I will attempt to insure that the known details on the actual hijacking, the time between when Cooper boarded, and when he jumped, are presented as accurately as possible. So many TV shows, they get it all wrong.
For example, I will make sure that Captain Scott doesn’t get up from his seat to go back and talk to Cooper. 🙂 I actually thought that happened, way back when.
NOTICE: You can delete this comment if you wish, but Greg the Techie Guy, even though I asked him specifically NOT to monitor the Cooper Forum anymore, tells me two things today in an email. First, he says the place is in self-destruct mode, (at least for the moment), and that Georger is once again making insulting references to both myself, AB, and even a vague hint about our work with the poor and homeless. Obviously, he found a way around our IP ban. (Yes, he is the ONLY person at the Cooper Forum who is currently…and supposedly…banned.)
I have HAD it. Access to the AB Forum is now members only, and permanent. You want to see what’s there, you want to post, then register like the others. Any new stuff you can find on our WordPress or at Facebook.
“Don’t feed the trolls.” He has posted literally HUNDREDS of negative comments about me personally, AB of Seattle, sometimes even Enough.
“Sometimes even Gayla…” Enough.
you just keep going and going….you have posted so many negative comments here, along with false accusations it’s not funny…you still open your mouth after being told to stop talking off topic…the day you stop looking at my forum is the day you hold to any truth of a “last comment, or no longer posting” Greg is just a cover…you watch the forum very closely..you start posting sometimes minutes after a comment is made…you telling me that you and Greg have nothing better to do but whine about me? we get it, you don’t post anything on your site, so you dump garbage here…all you are doing is trying to stop people from going to my forum..why would you constantly come here? I thought that’s rules for “you have some nerve coming on Bruce’s site disrespecting him” ???? more than half of your comments include my name (something you whine about) it’s basically just more character assassination attempts..you have so much anger and hatred in you..either you don’t really see that, or you are playing the game..since you are more informed than me can you quote the comment Georger made in reference to the homeless thingy? my guess it will be taken way out of context..since you are the “Google forum mod” you need to address the issue properly when confronted…
you were banned in 2014 Robert, get over it..most people get the hint, but you have been clogging up forums ever since. Shutter Shutter Shutter…can you convince the film producers to do a segment about me. think of the coverage? perhaps the National Enquirer could also kick in? stop messing around with old threads, go national…..maybe Global? will they take $15 grand from me to do it, cash?
My step dad is the late, great Teddy Mayfield. To this day people think it was him! It wasnt. However, About a month before he died we were having a skydivers reunion party out at Sheridan, Or. That Sunday evening there were a few of us still there, having fun. For the first time ever he revealed that he knew who did it. So celebrate, my skydiving brothers and sisters. Not only did DB make the jump and live, the proceeds of his endeavor helped to open a new drop zone and buy a jump plane. AND the following week after the jump, the real DB got to assist the FBI looking through our dz’s records in the efforts to find out it was him. (How he kept a straight face i will never know.).
Okay, Whit, so who is DB Cooper?
Jim Lowe
Awesome story, Whitney. Nice to have you on this site and I hope you stick around for more tantalizing moments.
“Greg is just a cover…you watch the forum very closely..you start posting sometimes minutes after a comment is made…”
Shutter: You should email me if you have these comments. Greg is my friend and good buddy since Windows 3.0. He maintains our computers and does other stuff for free. He once worked at Microslave testing programs and typing code at 70WPM. He’s no slouch. I think I just said he was also my friend. Your former moderator, the famous G, is probably a perfectly nice guy in person, and I try not to hold his comments on YOUR website against either him or YOU. On the other hand, I am not feeding a troll.
Access to the AB Forum is restricted permanently to anyone except registered members. No worries. No one is discussing you, your site, or any of your members there. Since this is now the case, I have asked Greg again to NOT monitor your site. If I ask him serious, he will stop doing it. He’s a busy guy with a regular job, but like I said, he’s also my friend.
Personally, I haven’t been to your site in about a month. It might be longer, but somewhere in that general area.
Some of us who worked on the case think he used most of the $ to buy a DZ in the midwest. He has since passed, but if he is who I think he is, I put him out on his first ff and later made his first hook up in Carson City NV in ’65. 🙂
You should just open your own forum at Proboards, Bruce. I think all Cooper traffic would end up there PDQ. Look at the benefits. Your posters can do pictures, files, links, etc. Hell, I’ll join and I’ll even use my real identity. 🙂 The thing lacking in just comments is options. You should provide options for best results.
This is not YOUR website, YOU shouldn’t be posting negative things either. I don’t go around other forums bashing you as you do here. you filled this entire thread up with nonsense. Shutter Shutter Shutter…you remind me of Benita Butrell from In Living Color…
You have tried ever angle possible…Wordpress, You Tube, Newsvine articles, podcasts, Facebook etc. the latest, The Mountain News for the home of “Shutter Bashing”
I don’t care about what you are doing this week with your site, or any other week. that’s another myth of you stating I watch your forum…you admit to having more eye’s than yourself watching mine? you TRIED to make it appear I had those type of intentions..tried really hard too!!
You, and others call members of my forum old, or “old farts, bunch of old guys” when you fail once again to look in the mirror..you said you were 17 in 1971…that’s old dude. where do you get off calling people old? those are called “personal attacks” the stunt you pulled with Nicky was a “personal attack” claiming you would view my forum no matter what block is put in place in a threat of hacking..good luck with that Greg…my server is well aware of both of you..you make threats to DMCA, law suits, police, threats to the bar commission etc. then whine when someone complains about you, seriously?
don’t ya think you have tied up this thread long enough, or do you wish to start insulting my family, perhaps post my school records, or have Greg follow me around in real life and report back. I cut an old lady off in traffic the other day, can ya use that? I said no thanks to buying girl scout cookies the other day……all good trash, no?
It’s time. Establish your OWN forum. Your book has been out for a while now, and traffic obviously likes you. I would go for it. 🙂 That’s not a joke.
“don’t ya think you have tied up this thread long enough, or do you wish to start insulting my family, perhaps post my school records, or have Greg follow me around in real life and report back. I cut an old lady off in traffic the other day, can ya use that? I said no thanks to buying girl scout cookies the other day……all good trash, no?…”
NO. NOT good. How do you know all these things about me, i.e. the Girl Scout attempted cookie robbery in Tacoma I commented on via Facebook? And why would I want to insult your family or post your school records, which I know nothing about? Or the fact that I assist a senior lady every other weekend at her home and call it ‘Driving Miss Daisy’?
Just wondering. I think Bruce should establish his OWN discussion site on the Cooper case. That’s an opinion.
How do you know all these things about me, i.e. the Girl Scout attempted cookie robbery in Tacoma I commented on via Facebook?
where in the world could you have possibly put that together by me stating I said no thanks to buying girl scout cookies, what are you talking about?
This message is to counteract the phony obstructionist Blevins dominance of this thread. There’s a very good reason why the FBI files retained the taunting documents that they did, which is because the author of those documents possessed inside crime scene knowledge, which proved that he was either the skyjacker himself or a close associate. There’s an old time mobster saying that states that the only way two people can keep a secret….. is if one of them is dead! Many people that surround the Cooper orb aren’t thinking things through very clearly. You have a sophisticated hijacker that makes an unsophisticated ransom demand of $200,000 in $20 dollar bills. Hence the ransom demand is a joke. Then whomever he is, he taunts the FBI repeatedly with rather sophisticated documents! Then the Cooper groupies get corralled like a bunch of Lemmings with the Robin Hood mentality that Cooper “put one over on the man.” This same UNSUB even anticipated this with the “Robin Hood” comment in the “I knew” letter. TerryB has spent over 7 years studying the Ramsey murder case….and part of the reason for this was that he was at least smart enough to recognize that a $118K ransom note is a sad JOKE! With $18K of it in $20 dollar bills, none the less! TerryB recognized the close parallel, as did others, that John Ramsey bonus pay was close at $118,117.50, which is 50 cents SHORT (get it?) of a “figure” (get it? As in figurine?)of of $118,118. Now we find a BD Cooper document or two…not a DB Cooper document, which is a bonus for TerryB, because he already knows that BD, the “Black Dahlia” aka Elizabeth SHORT’s remains were posed at -118.333 degrees west. Neither was there ever a “DB” Cooper, neither was there a “BD” Cooper. Get it??????????????????? Now Blevins can go back to his damn filibuster. The Sky Marshalls envelope hold direct proof of linkage to the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note, with no less than 3ea rather subtle, but readily detectable figurines. That’s a cold hard fact!
BTW, our suspect grouped his hints typically in 3’s…hence 333, exactly one half of 666. Yet our suspect put three 7’s on some of the Cooper documents, and elsewhere too. 777= “Order Out of Chaos.” This means that he also anticipated the likes of FBI profilers, like John Douglas. Get it?
Shutter: Let me drop you a hint. We’re not as dumb as we look around here. 🙂
It’s just my opinion, but some of you need to loosen up a bit and have some fun. 🙂
Wait…wrong video. https://youtu.be/sE0l5L9AD2A?list=PLHJ_nGmvHCxI7hGcO-AJ8XQOKlV9jFBoK
We should stop all the nonstop bickering and thank Bruce for his site and the work he puts into it. Not easy managing a room full of rowdy sleuths. Give credit to Shutter too for reaching out.
agreed, it’s open season on shutter with The Mountain News..basically one poster rambling on and on with character assassinations…this thread is packed with negative comments against me with plenty of false accusations, or attempts to make things appear true..an agenda no longer possible on his own forum…so he dumps truck loads here….basically, hijacked the thread…
very disrespectful the Bruce…
disrespectful to Bruce…. edit…
Some of you guys simply don’t have a sense of humor. There is stuff HERE. There is stuff THERE. Neither is very good sometimes. You take the Cooper case too seriously, and that’s why they call it The Vortex. Sometimes even coming after each other’s websites, whether it’s the admin, or just someone he kicked off his site and tried representing him. Or if it was some guy like me who was almost ready to have the opposing site shut down for a week over a stupid picture. (that was me) Fortunately, I didn’t go through with it and I was wrong about the picture anyway.
There is humor in the Cooper case when you think about it. If there weren’t, I wouldn’t have created that craaaazy video above and set it to a Blink 182 song. Or made all the cartoons about situations and characters in the case. There are literally DOZENS of them out there. One of these days I should just put them all in a book.
I tried to include you guys in the upcoming movie on the case, which by the way is the first-ever, full length feature film on the hijacking. All I got for my trouble was a bunch of rejections. Maybe some of you are pissed off, or just aghast that some production company would actually bypass you and give me the crap job of making the approach to you. Like that’s MY fault or something…come on, get real. Trust me, it’s a job I never wanted, and I told them it wouldn’t work. I was right.
I thought about it today. I will open the AB Forum back up to guests. Besides, the minute I closed it, the emails started arriving again. Some of you are just a bunch of nags, I swear. 🙂
Plus…I keep forgetting the AB Forum is linked all over the place at Facebook, (three places) WordPress, (different articles), Twitter, and elsewhere. So every time I shut it to guests, people start complaining about it because the links I installed all over the internet no longer work. I may as well face it. I will always have to leave it open for guests.
Robert, you fail to understand that it appears nobody wants to work with you..the signs are so obvious, no? yes, it is your fault. I didn’t miss out on anything…my life continues with or without DB Cooper. this is a hobby for me..not a job. my family will survive if I don’t get paid for my hobby. I don’t speak for others (like you do) but it appears they have similar feelings. Bruce has expressed them as well. Andrade hasn’t really said much, nor do I care what he really thinks about it.
You tried to dangle money and it still didn’t work. you say a lot of hateful things, you constantly make threats against people. you dragged Bruce through the mud so many times it’s not funny. now, you ties up his thread with the “Shutter Agenda” the “AB Forum” are you kidding me, you open an close a public forum more times than can be counted (permanently) ???? has to be somewhere in the 30 times amount…
You show a pattern that is troubling..you constantly state things and turn around and do the opposite be it leaving, or closing the forum (permanently) or getting out of the Cooper story all together. yes, we discuss things about you, but it’s nothing that can compare to what you do, or say..you want to control everything. you stir up the past, sometimes 5-7 years ago..you lash out when confronted with things…you love to talk about Kenny until things don’t go your way, then the old “can we not talk about Kenny” pops up. you can’t let things go, you have to keep on posting, bringing up new drama allowing it to never end with you. 3-4 times Bruce has stepped in only for you to continue dragging up the past.
I make a joke about girl scout cookies and all of the sudden you think I’ve read your Facebook page about some robbery? the actual story is about DB Cooper, not how many views one gets, or podcasts, or television shows. you seem to believe it’s some sort of competition. it’s never ending with you Robert…
Oh, plenty of folks want to work with me, or have asked me to work with them, Shutter. That’s how we got the film contract, and why two of the best cinematographers in Seattle teamed up with me to do the homeless picture this summer. (I’m surprised someone from your place hasn’t tried to contact them yet, not that it would do any good.) You have this idea that I just do nothing and sit all by my lonesome waiting for some magic approval from a few folks on a DB Cooper site, when nothing could be further from the truth.
There is no ‘competition’ here. If there were, I would not have removed most, if not all references to the Cooper case, everything about Kenny, and ceased mentioning you and yours at the AB Forum. I did all that in an attempt to defuse things a bit. It was getting carried away, and came to a head with what we call here ‘The Nicky Situation,’ sort of named after that scene in Pulp Fiction where The Wolf shows up. 🙂
As it turns out, it was bound to happen. G’s constant references to me, mostly insulting, over THERE. My responses at the AB Forum about that stuff, and other things. Back and forth. Back and forth again. You complaining to our server. Me threatening to do the DCMA complaint over a dumb picture. The one GOOD thing that happened as a result of Nicky’s baloney was that we withdrew from this silly battle over at the AB Forum. And I’m *pretty sure* there are no negative mentions of you in any of those WordPress articles we did. I would have to look at Facebook, but I think it’s the same thing there. If anything WAS there, I’m pretty sure I removed it all. If not, let me know, and I will happily take something down for you.
And I have answered you regarding the house question and KC. I spent a couple of days writing an article about it at WordPress. There’s your answer: https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/03/21/did-he-pay-cash-or-not-our-final-result-on-how-d-b-cooper-suspect-kenny-christiansen-purchased-a-home-in-bonney-lake-wa-shortly-after-the-hijacking/
Been there for a while now. It’s honest, and based on the best information we have available now.
As far as the movie on Cooper, it was probably for the best that you and yours refused to come on board. The one fly in the ointment is that I was given blank contracts to provide to Bruce and Marty, and had they said ‘yes,’ to the script offers, I would have had to send them out to them. From that point on, they would have been dealing with the production company. And supposedly under a confidentiality agreement. But all along I wondered if they might say yes just to get a look at WHO was doing the movie. It occurred to me that they might reveal everything…and then reject the contract anyway. Then I would have gotten into trouble I suppose. So, it was probably better everyone said no. There are trust issues here, and I was hesitant to even make those offers on behalf of the production company. It was a really tough thing for me to do. On the one hand, I thought the money might encourage even Bruce to stay quiet. On the other hand, I wondered if he could resist the temptation to just spread everything across the front page of the Cooper Forum.
You can see I was caught in a tight spot. “What if they say yes?” I often thought. In reality, ‘no’ was easier for me. No one hates you around here. We just don’t trust you because we think you have a personal agenda when it comes to questions regarding KC. We don’t believe you’re really looking for answers, but just want responses so you can continue to try and discredit. There is a difference, you know.
Anyway…we laid off you and yours for good. And we’d appreciate it if you would do what you said you were doing four years ago. Your ‘FINAL NOTICE” (in big red letters) post where you say that no mention of RMB, Blevins, etc etc will be tolerated further on your site. Within a week, you were back at it again, and it’s still happening. I didn’t ask Greg this morning…I TOLD him: I don’t care if he visits your site, but I didn’t want any more emails about it. Keep it to yourself, I told him. It was one of the few times I actually got mad at him.
Robert, first of all not everyone works like you do, so stop acting like “we are out for you” I don’t have the time to go chasing people you work with on projects…I’m talking about people in the Cooper world..I would never try an disrupt a segment about the homeless. it’s a growing problem and lots of people are speaking out about it…it’s nothing new, nor once again does it belong here. just more things to add to the fire, right?
How about you either stop commenting, or start talking about DB Cooper? yes, I’m telling you what you should do..it’s disrespectful to constantly bring up garbage when you have your very own thread (forum)
The last time I looked, it didn’t say “The Shutter Mountain News” your obsessed with me..you think i’m constantly monitoring you..I have too many things going on to worry about one Robert Blevins on the internet..
You need to stop all the negativity on this thread..it’s not fair to Bruce what so ever..you just keep going on and on adding as you go..go to the local newspaper, or television…
Yeah…over the last six months there are large numbers of homeless going around my neighborhood, many more than usual now. Hell…I should just shoot the picture right from my porch LOL.
That’s a joke. I still keep hoping Bruce might be interested in helping us on that project. Especially now that he says he’s car-shopping. They want ME to do the interviews. Pfft. That’s because my two partners are doing the two-cam shots and the sound. We could use a fourth to do interviews and help with mike boom work on the non-interview stuff. Mostly, he would be talking to kids and parents, and two interviews with people who work with the homeless. One runs one of the authorized encampments. The other we call The Angel of Pioneer Square, a person I have a particular interest in interviewing. Her story is here:
https://www.nwcatholic.org/features/nw-stories/seattle-homeless-portraits-sold-for-donations
I must remind Mr. Blevins that just a few weeks ago, he agreed (albeit reluctantly) that it was he who was passed over by Shutter, Bruce and Marty. I say this because he is back to saying it the other way. Also, I still fail to see how Nicky made a fool out of Shutter, as you say above. That joke was on you, and you were made to look like a fool (your own words), but only you.
Also, I found your “article” on Kenny’s home quite humorous. Only you could conclude that Kenny not paying cash for his house and instead having a mortgage, is better evidence that he was Cooper.
So what’s the deal here Robert? Are we back to discussing Cooper or what? You say that you don’t want to discuss Cooper anymore, refuse to discuss it on your “forum”, but then you come here and post links to Cooper articles and videos and practically beg Bruce to start up a Cooper forum so you can join and discuss Cooper. I’m confused here.
Of course, if we were to start discussing Cooper, you’d clam up as soon as you were hit with some tough Kenny questions.
I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing this..don’t forget it’s my fault he posted things to appear truthful because he was blocked from contacting me 🙂 I guess it’s his fault the crime is high in Seattle, he lives there, right? I heard the price of milk went up..how could Robert allow this to happen in his hometown 🙂 yes, it appears the entire joke was done to play Robert…Nicky knew he would run like hell with it….which he did..
I’m still trying to figure out how a major motion picture company would allow an inexperienced person run the show? he claims he has control over the script but hopes they are accurate about the story? wouldn’t someone in control of the script have that nailed down? why wasn’t Tom Kaye or Gray asked to give input? two well know public figures..instead he goes with three guys on the internet 🙂 Tom and Gray both end up in most shows..Blevins went on for months claiming The Learning channel “bypassed us” only to have 4 members from my forum on the show 🙂 I got bumped because Josh Gates wanted to jump out of a plane..I believe Robert was left in the dark about the entire show..he even believed he would be credited in the end…
You must have read a different article than the one I wrote. I said that Kenny only covered HALF the price of the home through a mortgage. There was the OTHER half, you know. Mostly unexplained except for a very suspicious promissory note that no one can find copies of today. It’s too bad the Grimes couple died before all this came to light, but their son was pretty upfront with me. Now we have Geestman lying on two serious monetary issues regarding Kenny, both within a few months after the hijacking. First, his sister gets a 5K loan. Family witnesses unanimously agree on that. Second, Geestman helps arrange the sale of a home to Kenny through his friends the Grimes’.
As far as ‘me’ being passed over, that’s not exactly accurate. It was the production company doing the film everyone took a pass on. I was just the messenger boy, and as I already said, it was probably for the best, all around for everyone.
Let me rephrase ‘making a fool out of Shutter’ and call that situation what it really WAS. First, let’s stop referring to it as ‘a joke’. Had someone I banned from the AB Forum did what Nicky did…and you guys drop by the Cooper Forum the next day and see it’s closed down permanently, I don’t think any of you would call that a ‘joke’. And if someone emailed Shutter representing himself as my lawyer…and that he was responsible for the shutdown…all of you would be screaming to high heaven about it. Let’s get real here.
No…I would say what happened is that Nicky did a vindictive action deliberately, and then (yes) lied about the whole thing, and he did all that in some weird effort to ingratiate himself back into the Cooper Forum. Nicky has admitted that as his reason in his comments here after the incident. That’s pretty weird on any level. I didn’t even KNOW the guy…he came from the other place, you know.
Sorry about the double post, but I will be fair and try to answer Shutter’s questions. I will sort of break them up so its easier:
“I’m still trying to figure out how a major motion picture company would allow an inexperienced person run the show?”
Answer: I’m not running the show. But I asked, and received, some amount of control over the script process. I get to review the final version and make recommendations. I was allowed to decide who would collaborate on the script, and who would not. (Except for choosing the main screenwriter, who is hired by the production company.) And that I would be working with this screenwriter closely, as well as anyone else who was hired to assist.
“He claims he has control over the script but hopes they are accurate about the story?”
Answer: A certain amount of poetic license is expected. The only thing I was worried about regarding accuracy was events between the time Cooper boards until he actually jumps, because TV shows have been all over the map on that one. This was the purpose of making offers to Marty, but especially Bruce.
“Wouldn’t someone in control of the script have that nailed down?”
Answer: Well, we’re going to give it our best shot. I never said I was the Supreme Expert on the exact timeline of events between boarding and jump. I mostly investigated Kenny and Bernie. As far as those other events, there are certainly better people for that job on a script than me. But…I’ve been studying up more on it. I know they’re hiring a known screenwriter, one with a good track record, and it’s taking up a lot more of the budget than they are paying ME. I agreed this was a smart idea.
“Why wasn’t Tom Kaye or Gray asked to give input?”
Answer: Gray was approached by me via email. Just once. He didn’t answer. It might have something to do with his book already being optioned, I don’t know. He still let me remain as a member over at his True Ink site, so I don’t think he’s mad at me for asking. Kaye was not approached because 75% of the film is about Kenny’s life anyway, and very little with research on the tie, money, etc. Actually, that’s not a bad idea and I might bounce it off the powers that be. Kaye would be someone I am sure would not violate any confidentiality agreement. I’m just not sure how much he could help on a story like this.
I agree that Nicky was wrong, but you made it worse by stating it as truth..being blocked has zip to do with lies…my guess is he did it knowing you would run with it..it was made to disrupt and you played right into his hands..it was the perfect opportunity for you to try and discredit me even knowing it was probably false..no other way around it Robert..you caused the whole thing to occur by opening your mouth..it was a private mater that you once again exposed. something you claim others do by not knowing when to say something, or the trust thingy you always preach. it has no business here what so ever, but then again a majority of your comments don’t belong here either..mostly negative comments against me…another thing you say is wrong to do?
You claim not to be spiteful but the second Bruce stepped in you announce you want to post the emails from Nicky…that’s spite 101 Robert..then you fill up this thread with negative comments attacking my character constantly, along with my forum..that falls under the term “hypocrite” by constantly promoting my forum revolves around YOU while you do worse here? you filled the entire thread up with negative Shutter comments…still going strong playing the victim and shifting blame…
Shutter says in part:
“Blevins went on for months claiming The Learning channel “bypassed us” only to have 4 members from my forum on the show 🙂 I got bumped because Josh Gates wanted to jump out of a plane..I believe Robert was left in the dark about the entire show..he even believed he would be credited in the end…”
I’m not sure what you mean here. And it’s the TRAVEL Channel, isn’t it? I wasn’t left in the dark, I simply refused to go on camera, and I was heavily involved in the latter half of the production. It was I who convinced the producers to change their shooting schedule and come to Ariel on the same day as the last festival held there. Prior to that, they were going to come just AFTERWARD. It took a lot of doing, but I thought it would be better promo for the store. As it turned out, my efforts were wasted. Contributions of money, food, equipment, three 250-mile round trips to Ariel for prep and promotion, music, you name it, AB was doing it. Two days later, the same guy and gal who shook my hand at the end of the day and pocketed more than $2,500 at the auction decided to trash me on Facebook for no good reason. I will never have anything to do with the Ariel Store ever again.
When Travel Channel and Josh showed up at the store, they wanted an interview on camera. I told them NO. I was cooking food, and this was not about me, but about the store. They settled for a one-second shot of my hand flipping a burger. (*laughs*) No big deal. After what happened afterward, I’m glad I wasn’t on the show. I mean what happened when the owner of the store went strange on me.
Gray passed up over $15 grand? surely he would be offered way more since he would be doing more than just reading a few lines, no? 40-50 grand down the drain…amazing..it would have to be much more for his role. Gray brought Kenny into the public, right..why would he be left out of the story line? he’s the guy who found DB Cooper…. 🙂 yeah, your right, bypass him..
You caused the whole thing to occur by opening your mouth..it was a private mater that you once again exposed…”
It became NON-private the moment Nicky claimed you hired him…and we knew you had made complaints to our server and had us shut down at least once, possibly twice…and we couldn’t contact you for verification. Since Nicky B showed good at Facebook as a lawyer, and his picture in his email and his Facebook page both matched…and he even sent additional emails to us with more threats, using the word ‘WE’ (meaning you and him)…you caused some of this to go public.
We had to get your attention somehow, you know. I was pretty angry at the time, just as you would have been had he managed to get YOUR site closed and said I was responsible.
“Gray passed up over $15 grand? surely he would be offered way more since he would be doing more than just reading a few lines, no? 40-50 grand down the drain…amazing..it would have to be much more for his role. Gray brought Kenny into the public, right..why would he be left out of the story line? he’s the guy who found DB Cooper…. 🙂 yeah, your right, bypass him..”
First I never got that far with Gray. I only told him we had sold the option to make a movie based on Kenny’s story, and the hijacking. I don’t believe I made any offer of money in the email. Just asked if he might be interested, and if so, I would tell the producers he was.
Why don’t you ask HIM about it? I don’t speak for him.
I never implied you set a price with someone else’s money…I stated it would be much larger than what you claim being paid to read a few lines..I would expect Gray to jump on the offer as he does with other media outlets be it television, radio etc. 30-40 grand, possibly higher would surely direct his attention..you brag how we lost out on 15 grand. must be a reason why he “bypassed” you..he missed out on a lot of money and credit..
Tom Kaye isn’t just about the tie…he has a lot of knowledge as well. he’s another who is media savvy. both had access to files nobody else has seen…extremely credible with promoting this adventure. it would surely be an asset to have them on board. I would of pushed hard for them on the team for sure…instead you decide to make it appear we were bypassed lol
I would of done the same as Bruce..have the producers contact me, or send over a contract through the producers, not someone who isn’t on there payroll..
Bullshit Robert..I had nothing to do with it what so ever…you got your site closed by the server, not me, or who ever complained. you did something wrong..that’s how it’s done..you can’t even take blame for that..they don’t shut you down for gossip Robert, you violated there rules, not me, or anyone else. once again, you don’t like the very same thing you do? “we warned them about that site” “they hate us” you got shut down for something you did wrong and it’s my fault lol..
Nicky was all your doings..Nicky planted the false accusation and you ran like Forest Gump 🙂 it’s more bullshit saying you did it to get my attention, lmao…how do you say it “were not that stupid here”
I can hear the beeping noise of backing up all the way down here in South Florida 🙂
Okay…how about an answer to one of MY questions? I’ve answered plenty of yours today.
Question: After Nicky did what he did, and claimed you hired him to do so…and you blocked all avenues of contact…even bragging about that occasionally…how did you expect AB of Seattle to let you know what was going on? I mean…you WOULD want to know if someone was misusing your name and making claims about you, right? Hell, I sure would. But you shut that door tight as a drum. That’s not my fault.
So what would YOU have done if the situation were reversed? In other words, you go to your site in the morning and its gone for good. Then you get a series of emails from a guy who claims I hired him to do that? And that I (we) weren’t finished.
Look…we’re never going to agree on this Nicky Situation. I think we should move on. You have your views on it, I have mine, and never the twain shall meet. That’s obvious. Now I did answer your production questions politely and accurately as possible back there. And I already said we know you had nothing to do with Nicky’s actions. There IS a moral here though.
It isn’t smart to cut off all communication with someone you’re monitoring from time to time. You are fairly large in Cooperland, and both of us know that in Cooperland sometimes weird folk, vindictive folk, come out of the woodwork. Remember what Nicky said about WHY he did what he did.
He said he did it because he was banned from your site, and was trying to get back in good with you. I have moved on from all that, you know. But let’s face it, he was originally YOUR problem, not ours. If I had known he was banned from your site, I would never have let him register at the AB Forum.
A little birdy told me Roberts movie got scrapped, I apologize in advance if my inquiries to the producers had anything to do with this.
Thanks,
Nicky
can you verify this Nicky…you have done some damage here buddy…
I find it hard to make a motion picture about Cooper that could make money..it doesn’t have enough violence in it to be anywhere near the actual story..I’d fear a lot of yawning during the film..no gun play, no explosions, injuries, blood and guts in a movie viewers seek. it could possibly work on a network. I just don’t see a draw to get people to pay to see it..Kenny’s life is boring, no action there either..I wouldn’t be surprised it was scrapped..
Robert,once again..it’s a public forum, not a child day care center..he’s not my problem once off the forum..my concern is my forum and not what they do outside of it..you think everyone should conform to your global rules..by your accounts, he’s now a problem of yours since you dealt with him last? I guess I’ll start going around the internet saying your boy went bonkers? get a grip dude..
what’s next…lets trash this site…too late..your work is done..
So what would YOU have done if the situation were reversed?
Lets see…since you are banned I would post something like this…
Robert, I have several emails here from Nicky claiming to be your lawyer and trying to shut my site down..care to post a response on your forum about any truth in this matter…I would post certain portions of the email for verification…
What I wouldn’t do is claim you hired Nicky to represent you and try to shut me down…
asked & answered
Shutter can correct me if I’m wrong here, but my guess is that if it were reversed Shutter would be smart enough to realize that a lawyer is not going to send an email like that. This was a pretty recognizable troll job.
Correct, a lawyer would send a letter with a legal header on it….not some email with a bunch of drama…yes, I would see it being fake a mile away, but his question was how I would approach the problem…which was answered previously…
Okay, all right. Tell you what. To try and make things up, I will remove our Not Recommended entry on the Cooper Forum from our main website, and install a link to your place. I’m tired of all this and it’s pointless to go on about it.
Nicky (can’t tell if its really him, since only Bruce has access to his IP and email, etc in Comments Log)
says this: “A little birdy told me Roberts movie got scrapped, I apologize in advance if my inquiries to the producers had anything to do with this. Thanks, Nicky”
I already know the answer to this, but just to challenge you on it, if you actually had such information, you would have already said WHICH production company. And by the way, it’s too late for that. They’re already in pre-production, and I get updates almost daily. Get real. I can see why Shutter banned you from his website. I thought it was funny when you tried to join the new version of the AB Forum after what you did. I have to give it to you for nerve, though.
so, it’s no longer optioned, right? have you received full payment?
Okay, all right. Tell you what. To try and make things up, I will remove our Not Recommended entry on the Cooper Forum from our main website…
spare the favors Robert, really…
Don’t discount the favor. The main AB site gets a virtual TON of visitors each month from all around the planet. It’s been a fixture for more than a dozen years. Go look at what we said about you on the DB Cooper Info Page and see if it’s okay with you. Or don’t go look. Up to you.
Payment? Do you think I would be posting here if I had received the money already? Heck, I’d be on Zillow dot com seriously looking at homes in the Kingman, AZ area. 🙂
Nah. Not due until they do First Day of Production Shooting. That’s a legal term more or less, and you would have already found out about that online.
Payment? Do you think I would be posting here if I had received the money already? Heck, I’d be on Zillow dot com seriously looking at homes in the Kingman, AZ area
“pre-production” is a go, so you should be shopping now?
In filmmaking and video production, pre-production formally begins once a project has been greenlit. At this stage, finalizing preparations for production go into effect.
Look, I can’t tell you any more than that. And even if I could, I certainly wouldn’t do it publicly. You are getting into an area I’m not allowed to discuss publicly. Trust me…I will make an announcement the very second after THEY do. Like the half-second afterward, LOL.
I made some slight mods to the entry for your site. Thought maybe I was a bit too hard on you. Tried to make it more positive. Just finished. Time for some WOT now. (World of Tanks) 🙂
World of Tanks. I LOST. Dam it. Saw this for the last post here, maybe it’s a good omen. In any case, it’s kind of funny:
“727 Responses to DB Cooper News”
Heck, if I were Bruce I would just establish another article/thread here. He is certainly getting the traffic these days.
why don’t you just ask Bruce if you can take over the site completely? you already dominate this thread, now you want another?
Well, you’ve asked a lot of questions of me today. I even composed a complex article on the details behind KC’s house purchase, just because you made so many posts about it. I figured you deserved some answers.
Nah. I don’t want another thread. I just think it would make more sense for Bruce to establish a separate spot if he’s going to host discussions on the case, especially when 700 out of 727 or so of the comments to this article have zip to do with the actual article. That’s all.
I just realized that this month it will be five years since Earl Cossey was killed in his own garage. And that the King County Sheriffs’ Office, as far as I know, is no closer to solving the case than they were back in 2013.
Just a note: I remember seeing a short bit on local TV here, on KOMO channel 4 news. Can’t remember if it was just before, or just after Cossey was killed. And this bit had nothing to do with Cossey’s murder. But the reporter said that the Justice Dept. in Seattle (da Feds) had commented that KCSO was notoriously bad at solving major cases. Figures.
Quickie update: I have removed the ban to a certain IP address at the AB Forum, one we believed belonged to ‘G’. No big deal. Just saying.
Pretty sure it was either a robbery or a gambling debt unpaid. Cossey was deep into that stuff. Can we finally get back to DB Cooper?
And I’m pretty sure you’re wrong, Johnnie.
Cops found nothing missing, and dead gamblers never pay off their debts. Just saying.
Was it a crime of passion? Monkey wrench to the noggin? What passions do you think were at play? Sex in its many forms is at the top of my list.
But, I give ya that the returned credit cards and DL are a monkey wrench of their own. Plant? Are you willin’ to go down this rabbit hole? DBC could be down there, ya know. Cudda be a hit, and they overplayed their hand with the cards….
Bruce I respectfully disagree here, if mouse owed a large amount to one of the Italian mob owned bookies those guys don’t play around maybe they were trying to rough him up and things got out of hand.
I go with Nicky on that. That’s WHY they are dead gamblers, Bruce. Debt now paid.
I like this line of reasoning: Quote:
brucesmith49 says:
April 9, 2018 at 12:21 am
And I’m pretty sure you’re wrong, Johnnie.
Cops found nothing missing, and dead gamblers never pay off their debts. Just saying.
Was it a crime of passion? Monkey wrench to the noggin? What passions do you think were at play? Sex in its many forms is at the top of my list.
But, I give ya that the returned credit cards and DL are a monkey wrench of their own. Plant? Are you willin’ to go down this rabbit hole? DBC could be down there, ya know. Cudda be a hit, and they overplayed their hand with the cards….:Unquote
Some food for thought… I also tend to doubt that it stemmed from a gambling debt, but nevertheless I’ll make this point: Several hints of references at gambling come up in the cases that Nanette and I link and deal with. In the Zodiac documents, the Paradice(sic) Slaves document comes foremost to mind. Of course, a “pair of dice” being the primary hint. And don’t be misled, the Zodiac documents show that he often tended to correct spelling. The line: “The [Zodiac] not Speaking,” is found on the second page of the Ramsey RN between lines “7 and 11”, hinting “seven come eleven” as in the lyrics for ‘Viva Las Vegas.’ In the 1947 Black Dahlia case, author Donald Wolfe makes linkage to mobster Bugsy Siegel running a extortion operation to shake down wealthy people to fund his Flamingo project. The fake hysterectomy wound found on E. Short’s bisected remains supports this notion. As I write this message, it reminds me that I need to compile a complete list of all of the gambling hints intertwined within the linked cases. For instance, I have one list titled: “Things the killer(s) needed to know:’ (before entering the Ramsey home). It’s a very “telling” list indeed.
I’ve learned to consider the “odds” when reviewing peculiar murder cases. Like the Bill and Hillary Clinton orb. What are the “odds” of all of the folks winding up dead by violence in the Clinton orb? And, as you well know, this same list is considerably large. I also point out the peculiar behavior of certain members of law enforcement (yeah, right, law “enforcement”?) in especially these high profile cases. I repeat the a true “Good Samaritan” is gonna help and not spook a case by bothering to send in the DL and credit cards, and yet hinder by not reporting where or how the items were found, that is, assuming they were “found.”
It’s also is pretty obvious that Blevins wants desperately to control the Cossey murder narrative, and suspiciously so…. as well as dominating this whole Cooper subject narrative. Do he and others realize that by posting video’s of himself firing hand guns, that these same video’s function as threats of deadly force? Is he cunning or stupid, or both? I’d say both. Bruce, I can tell by Blevins writing, that he has very closely followed my own posted writings in the four primary felony cases that Nanette and I compare notes on. I can also tell by what he willfully ignores, and therefore what he’s truly all about.
No, Cossey’s murder and the cards sent in from the so-called Good Samaritan, stinks to high heaven. I might buy the notion that Cossey was killed because he pissed someone off with his high and mighty attitude. School teachers do tend to get very full of themselves and arrogant, and probably from dealing with a string of smart aleck students in the blackboard jungle. Then there’s the macho skydiving dude factor too, coupled with the Cooper go-too factor? His murder doesn’t jibe in terms of odds alone.
Bruce: SOME items WERE missing from the house. The police chief and the mayor of Woodinville did a Town Hall thing after Cossey’s murder. One of them admitted that items were missing from the home, but wouldn’t give details. I got that from an old article in the Woodinville Patch. Just can’t recall which one did, but they did.
I also checked the police blotter for Woodinville for the prior 30 days. Found four instances of burglary around Cossey’s neighborhood during that time. I once posted a map and some details about it, and sent it on to the KCSO. The last one was less than two blocks from his house. I probably posted all that to Dropzone somewhere. I would have to search it out.
I did a video about his killing at YouTube, but if you watch it, ignore the Cooper Forum references. Got a little angry when a certain person questioned how I got that bump on my right forearm. 🙂
Stupidity aka Robert that day for sure.
I remember the postings from the Woodinville Patch reporter, RMB. But initial PCSO reports were nothing was missing from the house. Yes, I remember that you did a lot of research about the neighborhood burglaries, which ere all solved, I believe. I wasn’t at the meeting with the Chief of Police from Woodinville, but he was late to the case, and the pressure to reassure property owners must have been very strong. Would he lie to keep everything calm on the rez?
I don’t think so on the lying thing. Since Cossey lived alone, it would take some time to determine if items were missing from the home. They would have to have family members in there looking around, checking, etc. Or maybe they figured it out on their own later with a more thorough search.
Sometimes people slip up, and offer an admission. When either the mayor or the police chief admitted items WERE missing, but wouldn’t say which, for example. Not releasing this information, (what items) was supremely dumb on KCSO’s part, because they (once again) shut out the public on details regarding the murder. No wonder the Feds came down on them.
In reality, the public was their only chance to bring Cossey’s killer to justice. Don’t get me started. 🙂
When mousey was murdered he coincidentally had some gambling debts friends that have known him since the beginning believe that is where the hit came from.
True, but the cops never followed up with Cossey’s gambling friends, suggesting that they discounted the gambling debt angle, or felt it would take them into “too dangerous” territory. T’is a puzzlement.
Okay. My apologies. Last two posts should be deleted. Link stuff is not working properly.
Lynn Jay Cossey1 year ago
Well – I can say that many years have past and my cousin’s death was vey tragic and the family doesn’t need someone (an amateur) potentially suggesting that resources be used to go down a path to solving his tragic murder that is not based in good clean police work.
The first three attempts to post that video should be deleted. The fourth one should be deleted until I modify it a bit. I had forgotten about some of the content. At the time I was involved in a go-around with certain folk. I am freezing that vid at YouTube until some mods to it are made. I see no need today to leave certain comments on the video. May as well remove them, since they have nothing to do with the murder. As far as Lynn Cossey’s entry, I told him that since the KCSO hadn’t done a thing that SOMEONE should…like HIM. I asked him why he wasn’t yelling (or whatever) at the cops.
Video downloaded for modification, and deleted from YouTube.
You really have no business telling the family what they should do about another family member being murdered. I realize you have good intentions, but as he stated he doesn’t want amateur’s telling him how it should be done..none of us here have the experience, the full story, or the qualifications to make these type of calls to a family member.
It might be a different story if a family member reaches out, or goes public complaining about the case not getting solved…that’s an obvious plea for help..
I agree that sometimes the cops do nothing…when our shop was broken into the Broward sheriff’s office didn’t do much..I tracked down all 4 who were involved and a witness came forward and they said it was still not enough for an arrest…street justice was applied to resolve the problem….
Robert, he was known as mouse by all his friends that was his nickname…I agree with the poster on your video and shutter for once as the youngsters like to say stay in yo lane! Worry about your movie that is going down the tubes…
Ah, Nicky, you speak so authoritatively! It’s so SEXY! But how do you come to that advanced knowledge? I’ve talked with several of Cossey’s gambling buddies, neighbors, family members, former students, and fellow skydivers, and no one ever called him “Mouse.” In fact, Cossey asked me specifically to call him “Coss.”
Is Cossey really Mouse?
The moniker “Mouse” has been used only by one other researcher in my experience, Jo Weber. Jo claimed, if I remember correctly, her husband Duane knew Cossey and called him Mouse. Since all of Jo’s memories are suspect, this puts the mouse issue into question, as well. It also suggests that anyone who calls Cossey, “Mouse,” is influenced by the Jo Weber narrative and not necessarily a legitimate experience with Earl J Cossey.
Hmmm I did not know Jo was calling him mouse…this actually adds some validity to Jo’s story. How would of Jo known about that nickname unless duane really did know him? heck it passed you Bruce!
got passed
If you read my forum you would see that Cossey did have a nickname of “mouse” . the reference was easy to establish on the DZ.
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Jo, are you aware that “Mouse “is earl cossey’s nickname?
I was just going to post this thanks shut, and bruce on the skydivers facebook group page there are plenty of comments from members referring to him as mouse here is one from poster Dick Hale 5 weeks ago. Dick Hale asks: Anyone find out what happened to Mouse and WHY?
Gene Bland is the real deal… I live in skydiving country here in Lake Elsinore, Ca. I have spoken to old school skydivers in the community who knew gene and one thing I got from all of them was gene is no a bullshitter! I find it really interesting that what bland is saying is in direct conflict with what we have come to know.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand corrected. Mouse, and Coss, it is.
Uh…according to your Facebook page there Nicky, you actually state you live in Iowa. And your picture there matches the small pic that goes out with your emails…just saying. No big deal. If you want to want to say you live in California, that’s okay with me, but you should update your Facebook perhaps. You know, so your friends won’t look you up and think you moved to the west coast.
Shutter says in part: “You really have no business telling the family what they should do about another family member being murdered. I realize you have good intentions, but as he stated he doesn’t want amateur’s telling him how it should be done..none of us here have the experience, the full story, or the qualifications to make these type of calls to a family member…”
Ha…I have more of the ‘full story’ than you think. Those KCSO detectives handled Cossey’s murder like a bunch of Keystone Cops. I felt qualified to post the video because I actually did some of the things that THEY should have done, like tracking burglaries in the same neighborhood over the last month previous to Cossey’s murder. And then cross-referencing those burglaries against Cossey’s address, and the known facts behind them. One occurred less than two blocks from his home the week prior to the murder. In another nearby, a man was seen fleeing the scene (surprised by homeowner) on a red motorcycle. Cossey’s nephew backed down when I updated him later on some of these things.
And at the town hall meeting in Woodinville, they did say it was a burglary. They just wouldn’t name any of the exact items taken. In addition, if it WERE a reprisal on a gambling debt, carrying it out in an extremely messy manner like that is unlikely. And here is something else weird about it: Whoever did it probably knew Cossey, because there was an alarm notice by the front door. But only Cossey, some members of his family, and possibly some close friends knew the alarm was no longer in operation. If Cossey was in debt to the casino, they would not have him killed. Casinos, if they give you credit, know that according to the old Anne Statute, they can’t really collect from you. But what they do these days, to the tune of over 800 million dollars in a typical year, is write off these debts as a business loss. It’s a great tax write off for them. If these Washington casinos were actually murdering people based on gambling debt, these actions would have hit the front pages years ago. Five to seven percent of gamblers are what casinos refer to as ‘problem gamblers,’ i.e. they are addicted.
The video I pulled from YouTube yesterday addresses many of these things. It’s accurate, but the reason I pulled it (hadn’t watched it in a LONG time) was because it contained extraneous stuff about the Cooper Forum. I saw no need to leave that stuff on the video. At the time, the Cooper Forum was mentioning my name a LOT…but not so much these days. So I figured I would do the ‘right thing’ and edit those parts out of the video. When I finish, I will re-load it to YouTube.
Robert you have the wrong facebook page for me buddy… My page says I live in lake elsinore and does not say I am lawyer lol.
you think the cops were not smart enough to check local crime? you are not qualified for anything. what certification in law enforcement do you have? the point was about the Cossey family commenting on the video. it appears they were offended by it…
” the family doesn’t need someone (an amateur)”
also, Nicky’s IP pings from California, Lake Elsinore area..
Interesting post by Georger at the “forum,” telling Bruce to “leave me alone.” Lol. If it wasn’t for Bruce, Georger would have nothing to discuss at the Forum.
I take it you are more qualified in the Cooper case vs Georger? you bring a lot of drama yourself, no? I was just reading above about you complaining about usernames but failed to answer Bruce asking you for your last name. little double standard going on?
this whole thread is about my forum…you guys are funny making fun of my forum filling this one up with drama..
Lol. Georger works from the basement of his apartment in Iowa City and monitors and patrols all DB Cooper traffic on the internet. That makes him preemminently qualified. Even more than Mr. Blevins and you.
So Ted, Georger only talks about Bruce on my forum? let me ask you this while you are trying to figure out a last name..how many agents do you speak with, how many are in your family..have you seen actual files not made public? how many years have you been involved with the case. if you can answer yes to the questions, or give amount amount of years involved in this you might be on the same level as Georger. your taking things out of context stating all he does is post about Bruce..you seem to also do the very same thing you are against by insulting others..
Shutter, the real question is: why do you post more on Bruce’s site, than you post at your own site? I think the answer is obvious.
why dodge the actual question given to you..instead you try and distract from the original question..learn from Robert on how “Cook” things up? why do you spend all day gossiping about people? still dodging the last name, I think it’s obvious, no?
You are an abject fool, Shutter, and make Blevins look pretty good. Keep posting here, cause it’s a lot more fun than your site, which you seem to believe too. Happy Cooper hunting, in your new fulltime job
You also seem to be another spiteful type..you enjoy posting his name. not too many knows that he hates that..and a chosen few post his name. two that I can think of at the moment…
He hates his own name? Georger? Or his name only known by the F BI, CIA, NSA, etc. You sure afford him a LOT of personal protection, Shutter. Does he pay you to guard him too?
lol,childish insults…you guys are great… 🙂
“you think the cops were not smart enough to check local crime? you are not qualified for anything. what certification in law enforcement do you have? the point was about the Cossey family commenting on the video. it appears they were offended by it…
” the family doesn’t need someone (an amateur)”
also, Nicky’s IP pings from California, Lake Elsinore area..”
LOL there are so many phony identities around here they should call it the House of Mirrors. We will just say that this CURRENT Nicky is a different person than the Facebook person, the one who went after the AB Forum using your name. Who the heck can believe anything anyone says around here when 90% of you comment using BS credentials. You see my name up there above? Actually goes to somewhere REAL. Just saying.
No, I don’t think the KCSO cops were smart enough to solve the case. It was handled badly, to say the least. And like I’m the only one around here posting up a video or making a comment about an unsolved crime? Come on, Shutter…your entire website is all about one, and you and yours name-drop all the time. Don’t be phony here. You have discussed Rackstraw at length, and he was accused of murdering his own stepfather, you know. There has been discussion over there about all that, so you can climb off that pedestal/high horse whatever, anytime you wish.
I have trimmed off approximately 13 minutes of the Cossey video. It now covers only my thoughts on the Amboy chute and Cossey’s murder. Any side comments are gone. Not finished rendering yet, and after I upload it to YouTube, I’m going to run a paste test at the AB Forum before posting it here. I don’t know what happened last time…three times the wrong video lol. Paste test should avoid that happening again.
I never accused Rackstraw of murder,others have…I never said your intentions were bad, but giving advise to the family was..they agreed. isn’t it his sister accusing Rackstraw of murder…besides, that’s not what the discussion was about. all I said was it seems to take a bunch of comments to get you to understand the problem I had was dealing with the family members…if that happened to me, I would of removed the video. it appears to have offended them, no you didn’t mean to do that, I realize that…I’m not trying to make fun any part of it…when it disrupts the family, you have a problem with the content…
so much time has passed, I wouldn’t bother with it anyway…
I am the same Nicky that emailed you bobby boy!
Meh. I don’t believe half of what I see around here unless your username up there leads to a real person. Yours doesn’t. Mine does. Case closed. And we’re better off with the new website anyway LOL.
I would like to point out that taking two hours of my time using Sony Movie Studio to modify that video…was done in the interest of toning down the bickering that goes on with Cooper discussions. And to follow the same policy we now use at the AB Forum: We will no longer do negative (or basically ANY) personal comments regarding other Cooper investigators, or the websites they hang out at. It is non-productive, causes problems, and goes nowhere. If any of those type of comments are still on THIS forum (Bruce’s) he can delete them whenever he wishes. I do not have control over that. A lot of that stemmed from the recent incident. No need to go over that again, either.
Gene,can you tell me what years you were jumping with Cossey, and when it ended?
Well, you know how it is. There were a lot of people around the Woodinville and Seattle area (especially residents of Woodinville) that didn’t like the foot-dragging and non-information being passed out to the public by the cops in Cossey’s murder. In one part of the video, I ask whoever found the wallet and mailed it back to come forward. They may never solve the case, but they did a piss-poor job right from the start. The biggest problem I had was their constant pleading for public help in solving his murder, yet they wouldn’t give out a single detail about it. Here is the modified video:
Reminder.
All posters must refrain from pronounced accusations, character assassinations, and gross insults.
If I read something and it gives me the creeps, I scrub it. I just trashed one post for that reason.
Bruce it’s time to drop the ban hammer on ole bobby boy… we finally got some traction on here important people like bland and whitney posting.. I would hate to see all this drama blevins bring steer them away from the mn.
In this last instance, it was not Bobby B who got scrubbed. Monitoring this site is a balancing act, so I go with my gut – if I’m grossed out, the post is gone. Personal attacks are verboten. That said, impassioned statements in the course of Cooper discussion are generally forgiven.
Oh, come on Nicky. The video is about Cossey and the Amboy chute. Nothing more, and there is no agenda on it except the truth on those issues. I even scrubbed out the promos and anything not having to do with those subjects. Lost some resolution doing it on the long shots, but it’s a more personal presentation that leaves personal criticism at the door.
Been there. Done that. TIRED of it, and I have better things to do. 🙂
If anybody is wondering how Cossey got the nickname Mouse…he had a micky mouse fetish!
How do you know that? !
Bruce, I thought you would of found that out in the extensive research into “coss” you did? Skydiver David Woodhouse says: “I met Cossey at the ’70 Nationals in Plattsburg. Good rigger, funny guy with a Mickey Mouse fetish.”
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Nope, never heard it. Don’t know a David Woodhouse, either.
You obviously do not know mouse as well as you thought.
The Bureau in Carson City suddenly developed a keen interest in skydiving. I spent the week after Cooper’s deal in their office teaching them how someone might be able to pull it off. They became concerned when I gave them a short list of about 1500 former HALO/MFF who could have possibly done it successfully.
Gene, you tell me a different story,while talking on Facebook plus you stated you never heard of this site…can you answer the question I asked you earlier?
I now believe Duane Weber did know Earl Cossey. The nickname mouse was an inside thing about cossey… heck bruce you had know idea and neither did any other cooperites, how would have jo known this???
Jo Weber has an uncanny ability to know people. She is also skilled at weaseling her way into their lives and gaining information. When Jo was in her prime, active and pestering everybody in Cooper World on a daily basis, I often thought that somebody was feeding her information and encouraging her – or using her – to keep tabs on other investigators. I believe I have written in my book that I often thought she was someone else’s eyes and ears. Regardless, there never has been anyone like Jo Weber. She is singular in Cooper Country.
This doesn’t sound like the real Gene Bland..can you tell me how you knew about the tracks in Willamette Valley?
who ever this is,you are not Gene Bland..Cuilibet in arte sua perito est credendum
One alleged witness according to FBI was TINA (Mucklow???) and then money found later at a place named TENA (TINA) Bar. Depending upon the history or alleged history of the name, then it would seem that the location was chosen for a convenient reminder by someone closely connected, knowing at a minimum that people would link the two by name. Further they knew what serial numbers to match and obviously had some of the money. However, a question arises as to the amount that was stated to be found and its location per alleged jump or landing area. If originally reported as some deteriorated bundles of twenties but some nine years after the event, then the rapidity of the link to D.B. Cooper in 1971 is telling because it should not have been immediately evident in the minds of anybody not directly involved. That is, most people even just publicly aware of the event would have forgotten about it during the course of their lives. The timing is also interesting in that it was testing the waters of any investigation and gathering misleading information in order to determine the other sources of previous misleading information.
Yes, the T-Bar and Tina Mucklow association is intriguing. Plus, Tina was in a long-term medical facility just up river in Gresham, Oregon at the time of discovery. Then she went into a convent for 12 years.
Hooked on the case, yet, Rick?
Bruce, “case poetry,” for lack of a better description on my part, is thoroughly lased within all of the cases that we’ve linked. I hope that I can explain my thoughts on this whole subject without messing it up. Before I might mess it up, please hold this idea in mind: I think that “case poetry” can be used by investigators to sort things out in terms of truth, but an investigator has to use extreme caution when reporting such items, because these same reports can easily and rapidly tend to undermine the credibility of the person reporting them.
Before I offer the “long” answer, let me say that it firmly occurs to me these days, and where I’m currently at, to proclaim that when you see these sort of things, try to view them as “bullshit indicators”. In the instance of the uncanny Tena/Tina poetry, I would read Tena as being the lie hint and Tina as being the truthful hint. The pub ‘Tina bar,’ could be the third member in this hint threesome. (I’m working on something I read about there being a Tina bar beer joint in that area?)
My next stack of reasoning is to lay a foundation…. but stay with me, because I’m also gonna attempt to show you how the operatives behind these crimes are manipulating us, and how the suspect that I like to refer to as Zodiac Jack is trying to clue true investigators in. Each term, Zodiac and Jack fit in with where I’m going here, and I’ll explain how, then I’ll give the foundations. First my use of the word “jack”: All of the linked crimes hold subtle “jack” hints, trust me on this, I’ll compile a list and provide it later on.
Now the ‘Zodiac’ concept: As you probably already know, and whether it’s a myth or not, it’s claimed that famous people, and leaders in particular consulted with an astrologist before making a move. I view the Zodiac killer’s personal as the first layer of an onion of deception, in terms of it acting to muddle the fact that all of these crimes had a hidden motive.
Now for the book ‘Mindhunter’: Probably by far one of the most important books that I’ve read, and especially so is the concept of “order out of chaos” and this concept is very valid indeed when it comes to the “organized serial killer.” These same persons will do things to bring order to an otherwise chaotic scene. BTW 777=order out of chaos. Some Cooper taunting letters actually have this same 777 hint.
However, when it comes to this fellow that I refer to as “Zodiac Jack,” I assert that he was a guy that was always “one step ahead” in this line of reasoning and used it for his own purposes. Fortunately for most of us, I don’t believe that Jack was fully harmonic with the persons he was involved with in these crimes. I think that he did end up having remorse. I see lots of evidence that he left a journal for us to “FolLaw” or “fOllOw,” or FoLLoW,” etc, etc etc.
I came back to the Cooper case looking for a “Oregon” hint right after I decoded Pelican Butte Oregon from the Zodiac killer’s 340 cypher, and I got a whole boatload of Oregon hints, along with several other “poetic’ hints. This same decoding methodology is as simple as ‘Dick, Jane and Sally’…but the key to it’s discovery came from me knowing where and what to look for, and based on past experience.
So, by all means, keep track of the case “poetry” hints, but don’t be drawn away from their truer meanings in these cases. The same can be said about the Ramsey case, and especially the implied “pedophilia” ideas. Her death was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident, nor especially a sexual act gone bad. The crime was rigged to initially give that impression, but the evidence is abundant that the murder was highly planned and executed. The simple decode of “Vi c/J tory(sic) S.B.t.C” absolutely proves many things, and especially that the murder involved a lot of planning. The rest of the evidence fully backs what I say about the Ramsey case. Again, the Sky Marshalls envelope shows direct linkage to the Ramsey ransom note, with it’s subtle little figurines.
DB was 11/24
SEA-TAC=1951 to 2013 or 62 years
62/2=31 or the eleventh prime
Proverbs=115 and ends with Chapter 31:31
Last two states formed Alaska (Jan. 3) and Hawaii (Aug. 21) in 1959.
Add (21 + 3)=24 and start Jan. 24, 1959
Add 1 year for the boundary (will also do for end).
Add 115 days
Add 20 years
Add 20 years
Add 115 days
Add 1 year
Jan. 24, 1959
Jan. 24, 1960
May 18, 1960
May 18, 1980
May 18, 2000
Sept 11, 2000
Sept 11, 2001
More to it, but that is the initial pattern from a few sources.
And…….7734……=…….HELL.
I have been in contact with Gene Bland for the last two days..his Facebook page is well established. he keeps telling me he has never been to this site, nor does he speak of “cooperites” while telling his story. someone is lying somewhere in this. the phoney accounts here are increasing. Jo didn’t use mouse speaking about Cossey it was supposedly someone else along with another individual named “paperlegs” she also speaks and shows a Mickey Mouse figurine supposedly given to her by Duane.
He’s been rather easy to talk with. very calm, cool, and collected. I’m just trying to get to the bottom of his story. he seems very sincere and sticks to his guns, but so did Bob Knoss. I know lots of things about him outside of Cooper. he’s been very open with our conversation. some things are hard to verify since he claims not to have first hand info on some of it. this makes it hard to verify when he claims an agent told him.
Bruce, you need to learn how to check accounts. this will hurt you in the end. who ever is doing this is obviously trying to pull viewers, but it’s not a legit way to do it..coming into a thread under a false name to poke fun at someone is one thing, impersonating someone is another. what’s next, agent Carr going to show up, Ralph, Tina? you really believe that was Sluggo several weeks ago? the term “fake news” could be approaching the doorstep with this kind of activity…
If Gene is the “real deal”, he can answer a few simple questions asked earlier….the last comment made by “Gene” doesn’t fit him what so ever…
When checking out peoples’ comments to a WordPress article, there is a log entry for each comment. An email address, whether real or fake, will be provided. Also, the IP address of the person who made the comment.
Take the email address, copy it, and put it into a Google search box with quotes on each side of it, like this: “soandso@gmail.com” (The quotes will confine Google to an EXACT search of the address)
Hit the SEARCH button. If that email address appears anywhere else on the internet, used in other posts, it will show those references. There should be references. If there are none, the email address used is almost certainly fake. If it’s real, you will eventually come to other entries on different forums, social media, etc…and most likely the identity of the person.
Hints provided by Greg the Techie Guy at AB.
they obviously use multiple emails, checking IP’s is the simplest way..it’s been a problem here for years but is usually used as a trolling tool, or to instigate. it appears to have escalated into impersonating actual personalities. that’s crossing the line much further than the conventional methods used previously…the term “hypocrite” comes to mind while reading all the negative comments against me. people complain about the use of usernames while leaving there own last name out..
You guys speak of respecting Bruce’s site while pulling crap like this?
Hey shut would you mind posting the link to the cooper mccoy files on here, I can’t see the link on your site as I am no longer a member.
Thanks,
Nicky
Yes, and I will lift the part so you can see the forum…sorry, should of done that a while ago..http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
Correction: Zodiac killer “persona.”
Yo, “Gene Bland.” Folks are wondering if you are the REAL Gene Bland who participated in the FBI’s investigation of NORJAK in the days immediately following the skyjacking.
You haven’t responded to my emails, so you are on notice. If you don’t confirm who you truly are, your posts will be scrubbed as fabrications. Not Acceptable.
Hello.
My name is Darren and I’m working on putting together a DB Cooper Podcast. I’ve been interested in DB Cooper for the last 10 years, starting when I moved to Woodland Washington. About 5 years ago I read Skyjack by Geoffrey Gray, and that really sent me down the rabbit hole. It’s absolutely fascinating. I’m not a detective, scientist, FBI agent, author, or journalist, I’m just a guy who is interested in the story. One of my favorite things about the DB Cooper story is that there are so many different theories supported by so many different people. My favorite suspect is all of them. This Podcast is not my attempt at solving the case. What I would like to accomplish with this Podcast is to sit and talk with as many people in the Cooper community as possible and record what they have to say. Every conversation being an episode in the series. When finished there would be many people in the Cooper world telling their story and or giving their theories all in one place for people to listen too. This isn’t my attempt at solving the case or pushing my agenda, because I don’t have one. I’m not doing this to make money, nor do I have plans to. I’m doing this because I think the story is fascinating and this would be a great format for the story to be told. I think it will be something the community will enjoy, as well as the person who is only vaguely familiar with the case. This will be my first Podcast, and I do work fulltime in a non-Cooper related field.
If you would like to participate or know someone who you think would be good for this project, please reach out to me a dbcooperpodcast@gmail.com
Thank you.
Sounds like a wonderful project, and worthy contribution to the DB Cooper Saga. Count me in.
In case anybody is curious…yes, Darren is legit. Just saying.
On Shutter’s comment about phony email usage and bogus usernames: Been there, done that. That stuff came in DROVES on the infamous ‘Regina Winkles Incident’. (Our name at Adventure Books for the fiasco where the same few phonies used known usernames in Cooperland, even my own a few times, and Skipp Porteous’…to post over 300 filthy comments to a WordPress.)
We won’t go into THAT again…but it can happen. Some of the people who did that were eventually identified by both Regina, and to an extent, Greg the Techie Guy. Now you see why after all these years, I will never ID Greg with his last name.
One problem with WordPress is they don’t verify whether an email address is actually legitimate, i.e. if it belongs to the person making a post. You can just make one up and still do a comment. Tracking the IP of a comment can also tell you a few things, and detect when the same person is using two different usernames. Sometimes these people will post opposing comments to cause discord, when it’s just a single person doing it.
I just made a comment which is still showing ‘Your Comment is Awaiting Moderation,’ by using a completely made up email address and phony username. So…I guess there IS some moderation involved here. Either by WordPress, or settings by Bruce. Well, that’s encouraging.
Yup.
Yeah. I can’t say I wasn’t an offender about going after people in the Cooper case, mostly when I thought they deserved it. I did usually use my real identity, though. But that stuff really goes nowhere. I not only reformed from that, but brought the hammer down on anyone who tries it on any of my online activity. I would rather have no members to a site, or few comments to an article, rather than letting people play games or go crazy on either of those things. There’s nothing worse than a reformed offender, baby.
Like someone who quits smoking, they can be the toughest anti-smoking advocates. 🙂
A very confusing site, along with the other one. If you are trying to rebuild the good ol daze at the DZ you should probably quit now. Neither site has any value without Jo and Snow. Have fun.
Orange 1, is that you? Back to bust my chops, again? Regardless, WELCOME BACK to Cooper World. How are the kids? Want to give us an update on how you see the Norjak case? FBI’s departure, the 100K bits on the tie, Tektonix connections? Etc.
But Blevins, according to Mr. Shutter, you entered his site under a phoney name, and he allowed you to post. What does that say about you? And what does it say about Mr. Shutter? He was snookered? Or, maybe he just liked what you posted.
I already spoke on that subject, and I won’t do it again. All of that has been settled. And it was years ago anyway. Yes, it’s true there have been differences. But after the ‘Nicky Incident,’ I decided it wasn’t worth it to continue contributing to argument in Cooperland. Someone had to start somewhere. So I modified a certain video, cut a bunch of stuff from our AB Forum, and made some new rules. And I don’t care if we only have a few members. Less for me to monitor, less to worry about. Cooper is lately taking a back seat in my life to a certain extent. I have one more duty to perform, as Mark Lenard once said on the Star Trek episode, ‘Balance of Terror’. And then I move on from it.
Frankly, my priorities have shifted. I spent too much time on the Cooper case, and I’m sure the upcoming movie will create some controversy. Some people will understand, some will come down on it. This is expected. But i’m much more interested these days in shooting the so-called ‘Homeless in Seattle’ movie this summer, and have dedicated practically every available resource personally, and from Adventure Books, to finance it. Cooper takes a back seat to that.
As far as Shutter and the Cooper Forum? We have a live and let live policy going now. In fact, I added his site to our Recommended Resources list just this week. And that’s not some back-door attempt to re-join the site. I wouldn’t join even if I could. Not because it is not a good site, but because it would just cause discord and it’s better if I stay away. I am okay with that whole situation.
he made a couple comments about something, don’t remember what it was. the comments were normal. I checked the IP and it came back to his area..then he announced who he was…this was years ago and should be left in the past…4 years ago…..
I think I can cover any extra expenses on the homeless movie. I picked up a nice 1982 Nissan 280ZX for $1,000, full options, Series II with the upgraded suspension. (T-tops, six cylinder, five speed) Needs a main relay replaced and a serious detailing-out, otherwise great. Bought from a long-term cleaning customer who knew we were Nissan fans. Frankly, they’re rich…run their own investment company. Just found out car, because of the low miles, is worth between 8-12K approximately. Saw the same ones on Craigslist today for similar. Frankly, I’m stunned. Can’t wait to start polishing it up. A main relay is just a little blue box under the hood near the battery. I already have a bunch of them anyway.
Still holding out hope that Bruce will help us on the homeless movie, and come to the encampment BBQ this June…interview some children who live in tents there and still go to school each day.
Shutter would you mind sharing who gene blands suspect is? I know you have been talking to him via facebook. I was going to ask him on here but seems to be an imposter that is just copy and pasting his comments from the old school skydivers facebook page aside from the very last one.
He wasn’t the REAL Gene Bland. That has been established already. Someone went to Gene’s Facebook page and flat out asked him about it.
On another note, a certain PDF we have held for a few years in our files…relates to an old article on WordPress…has been completely deleted from our computers. For good and all. I did it this morning. No use flogging a dead horse, as they say. So no more mention will be made of it, and it had nothing to do with the Cooper case, or any evidence regarding the case anyway. We just made it gone for good. The folks who know about this PDF know what I’m talking about, and if you don’t…it doesn’t matter anyway.
While talking with Gene on FB, I asked him how he found TMN and Bruce Smith..he responded that he’d never heard of Bruce, or this site. he didn’t seem to worried about it stating “Probably gleaned from FB Old School Skydiving posts”
His suspect was a USAF Survival Instructor. he also claims he used the money to buy a DZ. I’ll ask him if the release of his name is ok..he might of posted it publicly over the years, I don’t know..
No big deal, but just an un-official notice. Further articles to my Cooper WordPress are put on hold for now, and I have no more comments on the case for the time being. I know some of you are waiting for word on the Cooper movie, sure. There isn’t a day that goes by that I wonder when I will be allowed to make an official announcement. Chances are, Cooper fans and folk will find out at about the same time I will, and when that happens I will be happy to fill in any details not given out by the production companies. One thing these guys keep telling me is to have patience, because it takes time to arrange financing, and do whatever the heck they do to actually create a film. Sure, okay. They dropped $2,500 to extend the option an additional year, and that goes a long way to help on the ‘have patience’ idea. If they extend into a third year, it will be double that. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so if they can’t get it together this year, it won’t break my heart. 🙂 I will admit I wish they’d move forward as soon as possible, but it would be inconvenient if they actually told me it was a ‘go’ tomorrow and I had to start on my script duties. The reason is below…
Because I have to move on to the Homeless in Seattle film project. Right now, we’re being held back by the damn weather in Seattle. Production shooting WAS slated to begin about now, but except for some background shooting, stock stuff done by Biernacki we need later, the steady rain has advanced our schedule into May/June. The rain up here has been just incessant lately. Because of the weather, my two partners on this project have decided to schedule their vacations for the end of April, and move shooting up into May instead. Hopefully, the damn weather will start cooperating by then. One of the keys to this project is the scheduling of the Big BBQ (my name for it) where we throw a BBQ for one of the larger, authorized encampments in Seattle, and interview the families informally, especially the kids who live in tents and still get up for school. I absolutely MUST hear their stories, as well as others. But this really needs to be done PRIOR to the Fourth of July.
Wasn’t Jerry Wright, or another NW Cooper investigator a USAF survival instructor, stationed in Alaska? This scenario sounds familiar.
I simply can’t imagine what it would be like to have to sleep in a tent and have to still get up and go to school. I certainly wasn’t “privileged” growing up, but I had a roof over my head and running water. I always had clothes to wear and there was always food on the table. The little things we all take for granted.
I’ll shoot straight with you Blevins, as always. I don’t like the idea of a movie naming Kenny as Cooper. I think he’s innocent and he obviously can’t defend himself against what I consider to be slanderous allegations. I hope the movie never happens for that reason. But the homeless project you are doing is a good thing. I hope you have a lot of success with that, and hopefully some good things come out of it.
we take a lot for granted…when I was a teenager I decided to run away since my longtime friend Chuck Bonfiglio (RIP) got kicked out of his house. we had tents out in the woods were we use to hang out with the crowd…we quickly realized we had to rely on friends to help. no laundry mats around, or showers..I just quit my job the week before at a supermarket. we lasted about 2 months, plus our parents called the police…camping is fun, but living in a tent is not. a special bond was created in this venture, one that lasted almost 40 years till his death in September of 2017. although Chuck went down a different path than I did doesn’t mean I thought differently about him, he was still my friend, and I would of done anything for him just as he would of done for me.
A lot of these video’s are surfacing..hopefully the warnings will now be heard. some of them you can’t help, but many can be helped that really want it..
Robert, not to start fireworks again but recently you claimed the movie was in “pre-production” this means all the red tape is complete and green light is given to begin the filming process.
Atlas productions wanted to do a year long series with Cooper. they picked 4 members for the panel to be on the show. I was one of them..they did the samething with patients, and updates. I told them it would never fly but they insisted in there way..after several months of contact, they simply stopped replying to my emails..obviously the show didn’t sell..my contract bleed into The Learning channel, but they never responded so I proceeding…
The Learning Channel, did the segment about DB Cooper on “Expeditions Unknown” I had probably somewhere in the area of 200 emails with 4 of the producers with the show, and dozens of phone calls. I was set to fly out to California but two days prior they changed the show. Gates wanted to jump out of a plane so I was bumped off. I wasn’t upset not being on the show as much as all the time wasted working with them which I will never allow in the future. once these producers are done with you…you become yesterday’s news..most of them are juggling several concepts, or possibilities at the sametime so the focus is directed elsewhere once something is of no use to them..
Personally, I have no interest in these things. if another one comes up I will answer simple questions and not go into detail about things wasting time with them..
That is the conundrum for us researchers – what to give of our time and expertise, and what do we get in return. For me, it’s a little easier to work with these guys because I have a book to sell. Plus, I looking to re-develop my professional storytelling career, so all things Hollywood, etc.. have some value to me.
But I commiserate with you and your vast amount of time invested – 200 emails? Yikes.
Yes, I put a lot of time into helping them..a lot. I even told them it was okay to call me in the daytime which turned out to be a mistake..Amanda was calling me a lot. it was set up to do some filming in Sanford Florida at first..the owner of the simulator wasn’t to keen on working with film crews, plus it had no night time flights. this was the only known 727 flight simulator active for training…then I went back and forth about a simulator in California they wanted to use..it was not a 727..it was a 737..I finally agreed even asked Andrade if his father would like to join in..they had me making videos for them from my simulator for discussion at meetings..we were to use the simulator in California and mix my software into the mix. so, yes, a lot of information went back and forth trying to pan things out. I had a lot of contact with Atlas as well..they had me sitting in my simulator on Skype memorizing lines to see how I would do on camera. they sent me I think it was about 20 lines to read and went over them again and again..they showed the video to there brass and concluded it was set in stone to move forward…not much happened after that 🙂
“Robert, not to start fireworks again but recently you claimed the movie was in “pre-production” this means all the red tape is complete and green light is given to begin the filming process…”
I just used the pre-production term as an example. I might be okay to shoot a film on my own with a couple of other guys, the one we’re doing in Seattle. That doesn’t mean I’m privy to the exact process of making a feature film with a REAL budget. What I know about doing that is pretty much what any ordinary person does. All I can tell you for sure is that they were more than willing to up the ante to obtain the second year’s option, and that they ARE moving forward. ‘Show me the money,’ as Cuba Gooding once said. I sit and wait while they work things out. I know as of March they had another company lined up for the partnership to do this film, but that was just last month, with the second year option not actually settled until early February, I believe. That isn’t very long ago, and they have told me nothing will happen until sometime after the Oscars, which happened just last month. Truth is, I don’t think there will be any announcement until summer, possibly even fall, but I don’t think a third year’s option will be necessary. Or that they would even want to go that route, because if so, they would be tossing more money my way without a viable result. Look, if you count the 100 copies of Blast they already bought, the money for the two years’ of options, those promo packages they created out of the little briefcases, etc. it comes to near $5,000 now. Maybe more than that. That doesn’t count all the Skypes, phone calls, and emails from the production group.
Sure…I have asked them directly a few times if the picture is to be made or not. Flat out. I always got the same answer. ‘Oh, yes. We’re going to do the picture. But these things take time.’ And they don’t dodge my calls or emails, EVER. So I have to believe them. It was they who boosted the payment for 2018 on the option, and it doubles if we go into January 2019, something they told me probably won’t be necessary.
Now I understand that some people don’t agree that KC was the guy, and I’m okay with that because I know it isn’t fair for me to judge others when I can’t provide them with all the evidence. But the evidence has been *mostly* there in public all along. The turning point came when Geestman’s family saw him on Decoded, and although they were slow to act on it, they eventually did. Families talk. Things come out. Stuff happens. I froze all releases of additional evidence in January 2017, but one last did come out before that happened, and that was Troy Bentz and his two friends. The only response I have seen to that allegation is ‘No way that happened,’ but I’m telling you that it DID happen. The producers checked this story out and somehow decided they were going with it in the movie. And they plan to name Agent Jarvis. Something must have convinced them it was an accurate assessment of what happened at the ball park that day.
The Bentz revelation was backed up heavily by suitable witnesses and testimony, and documented so well, that any reasonable person would believe it to be true. I named names, gave histories, and a pretty thorough explanation on it in the WordPress article. It’s hard to ignore, and not only that, it makes sense on several levels. A high-ranking, 15-year veteran of the FBI, NAMED. Three witnesses, all with security clearances with the US government, all with government jobs, one with the US Navy. Bentz actually risked his career by coming forward. He even named his two friends and gave THEIR histories, something his wife really got pissed off at him for doing. But he thought he was doing the right thing. And I agree he was. This all happened just ONE month (almost to the day) after the FBI ‘dropped’ the case. I can tell you that we now believe the FBI at least made a cursory investigation based on the 54-page report we sent them in June 2015.
There is a Great Truth in all of this. Should the movie be made, and since the producers plan to name Agent Jarvis, as well as Kenny, Geestman, and most of the others involved in all of this by their real names, the final truth on Kenny and Bernie will undoubtedly come out in the end one way or another. Of this, I am completely convinced, and I’m willing to take a chance on that because I think the odds are much better now that we’re right. But…we will see.
“They’re already in pre-production, and I get updates almost daily.”
That’s not really posted as an example…if it’s still optioned, it’s not going to be in production, or pre-production..it’s still on the shelf. if it doesn’t pan out Robert, I’m not going to say much about it other than the deal falling through…it’s not the first, or last time production companies do this..
I’m not implying they dodge calls Robert…they do once they have decided to move on…you also claimed at the same time as the pre-production that the second company came a board.
“In Cooper News, a deal has been finalized for a partnership of two studios to do the film. So except for the script review stuff, I no longer have any control over the picture. I still retain some control there, and I will attempt to insure that the known details on the actual hijacking, the time between when Cooper boarded, and when he jumped, are presented as accurately as possible. So many TV shows, they get it all wrong.”
No ‘deal has fallen through,’ although I’m sure some people wish it would. 🙂 And yes, production companies sometimes start projects they don’t finish. But if they only paid me in February, settled on a partnership deal last month, etc it’s too early to write it off. All I have is their previous payments and their assurance the film will go forward. They don’t say ‘maybe,’ nor do they dodge my questions. Truth is, I hope they don’t start actual production until summer because I would suddenly be very busy with the script stuff. And this is the most likely scenario, i.e. they will start sometime this summer, or maybe even fall. One thing I’m allowed to say is that they plan to sign a major screenwriter with a known track record, because they think this is the recipe for success. I fully agree, and told them I would even take less money if they needed me to do that to fit such a writer into the budget. They said that wouldn’t be necessary, but I made the offer anyway.
Now…I read something back there a ways about slandering someone’s reputation, mainly KC and Geestman’s, I suppose. That is not true. If either of these families had any objection to the movie, they would have said so by now. Kenny’s family actually signed a release for the film company last year, allowing them to use KC’s name and tell his story. Geestman’s family has no objections either, but that doesn’t surprise me, since they are the ones who came forward to me, not me to them.
When they first did, I dropped a little ‘test’ on them. I told them that People Magazine might be willing to pay them tens of thousands of dollars for their story, and I asked them if they wanted me to put them together with a rep from the magazine. They said no, and added they didn’t want any money. Like Kenny’s family, they just want the truth. I think that’s what everyone wants here.
law enforcement has to look at all leads coming in. they won’t breeze through something. they have to look at every lead coming on on hotlines. this can be a good thing and a bad since they chase a lot of false leads. by stating the FBI just peaked at your documents has no validation, or verification to that comment other than an out to continue with the story.
I’m sorry, but I fail to see how a movie can prove guilt on someone vs good old police investigative work. this now opens the door to other people with suspects that can now also claim the FBI breezed through what was given to them..they can also say the tuth will come out sooner or later..
Let’s get to the meat of the matter here. This is basically how the picture will be done: (I can say these things, yes)
1) They want to do the picture in a flashback sort of format, covering KC’s life early on and moving forward.
2) They plan to open with the actual jump, then go to the items above. I insisted that KC’s job down on Bikini Island, the one he had after Shemya, to be a part of the story.
3) They plan to name KC and Geestman as the perps, not as a maybe, but as historical fact, and show the audience (through Kenny’s story, and into the later investigation on him) why they believe this is so.
Look…this thing about discussing this on Bruce’s article…is this a good thing, or not? I don’t know. I don’t even know if Bruce resents it. He might. If you guys REALLY want to discuss this stuff with me, you should just break down, join up at the AB Forum, and create a thread. I will not do this on my own, but for other members it is allowed. There is a post there about all that. One thing that might motivate you is that although the producers don’t watch Bruce’s site…they sometimes drop by the AB Forum. So if you actually wanted them to see your opinions, that would be the place you would have the best chance. They no longer visit the Cooper Forum. One of the main reasons is they say you can’t see any links or pictures there you guys post. Everything there says this: “You are not allowed to view links – register or login”. I have no problem with that, not any big problem, but if you are trying to get fans, or contributors, or even public attention to the case, this isn’t the best way. Remember….even Dropzone didn’t do that. You just had to register to post.
we need to get to reality…April 8 you claimed it was finalized on a second company and pre-production was in motion…the comment today states you heard of a second company lined up as of March but don’t claim this as fact and pre-production was an example..
you go as far as to saying you might do it on your own now, why would you state this with everything finalized? I’m just going by your statements…
To clarify my previous statements about producers, I’m not implying they dodge anyone, or any phone calls during any production. I implied they do this once they no longer have interest. they will continue to respond while things are still on the table. IMO, it sounds like this is still in the infant stages far from production for reasons unknown at this time. I’m not asking for details, nor to I want them..I’m just going by what you have claimed..
Robert, you brought the whole thing here..you can’t expect comments when you post things like this…
stop the deflecting…I’m not the issue about the making of the film..you are starting to go right back into the old ways…next you will remove what ever you said about my forum off your website..
I’m asking simple questions to what you have said on this thread. you seem to be ok posting it, but then quickly state it shouldn’t be commented on here..it’s ok to post as long as nobody replies, is that really fair Robert?
If you don’t want someone to respond to a post you shouldn’t have posted it in the first place.
Shut – I wasn’t able to reply to your reply, which was a reply to my earlier reply, so here I’m putting my response to your lengthy list of simulations you did from Atlas and Expedition Unknown: Show biz can be a cruel world. I think you correctly assess the dynamics of how a show producer needs you endlessly until a decision is made to move in another direction and you get dropped like a hot potato. It’s abrupt, harsh, and absolute.
Imagine the other aspects to it: too fat, too skinny, too old, too young. It’s tough getting used to it, but there is a simple truth to it – the producers want what they want, and they usually get it. It’s one reason I am investing in my storytelling career. I’ll be more of my own boss, and the pressures for a certain kind of stage presence are greatly reduced.
Correct, it’s all business with them..I fully understand that point of view. I just got a little wiser to it for the future. Atlas took the wrong approach..they went as far as to making promo vids to sell the idea..I just didn’t see advertisers paying out on a year long Cooper venture…they never told me if it was going to be weekly, or monthly..only that it was a show lasting a year..that’s a lot of Cooper and I’m just not sure the public wants to hear that much about a decades old hijacking…I think the ratings would drop fast…that’s why it never got off the ground in the first place…it has to sell to be of any value…that’s why I don’t think a motion picture will profit..not enough violence and action involved for the buck…
Ah, that’s fertile ground for a storyteller. I could tell 20 hours worth of Cooper stories. Just sayin’.
I talk about Cooper to some of the younger guys I work with…they don’t hold as much interest as the older crowd. not all of them are like that, but many just think it’s been a waste of tax paying money chasing him all these years…
A lot of people do feel that way. I think that the FBI probably believes that he is dead. IMO by closing it, to me is like saying that you can get away with it if your good and that is not good. BTW Shutter my ban was originally for going to expire in 3 days and now has no expiration. I would still post if the ban was lifted. I felt before that I was treated poorly and that’s when I quit, after I came back I felt that is was starting to happen again so that’s why I said what I said.
I don’t think it’s the point of him possibly being dead as it is all the manpower and money it takes to keep it open. the world has changed since 1971..Cooper is not part of this..
as I told you recently in this thread, and in a email..this is not the place to discuss what happened to you on my forum..I sent a formal reason by email..the very email you joined with.
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April 15, 2018 at 6:38 pm
I don’t think it’s the point of him possibly being dead as it is all the manpower and money it takes to keep it open. the world has changed since 1971..Cooper is not part of this..
as I told you recently in this thread, and in a email..this is not the place to discuss what happened to you on my forum..I sent a formal reason by email..the very email you joined with. Unquote.
I don’t buy the manpower excuse from the FBI. It would have been a back-burner task handed off to a relatively small number of agents. I look at the chronology of Comey closing it, in comparison to certain facts which were coming to light. I think that too many “dot’s” were being connected. It’s pretty obvious that Comey is a partisan hack. The title of his book hints that he’s answering to someone well above his pay grade.
However, if suppression was the desired effect, the opposite is taking place. At the time that the “system” letter was being looked over and picked apart on YouTube, that’s when I headed into the study of the Cooper caper. My associate Nanette was correct in suggesting that I look into it. About a year and a half later, Comey closed the case.(kind of) This coincided with a flood of Cooper nonsense, like Blevins’ nonsense on YouTube and elsewhere. The Ramsey case has had 20 years of overbearing nonsense attached to it, nonsense designed to stifle true discussions.
I like to anchor my reasoning to some very basic points and observations. One is the ransom demand subject. Here’s this Cooper crime that appears to have been done by someone that was very methodical. It seems like a true case of extortion, that is, until you look as the cash demand aspect, then it appears to be very amateurish. The UNSUB could have had a much much larger amount of money wired through a series of foreign accounts. (Unless perhaps he did, and we the public haven’t been told about it?) It’s like the crime was designed to have both characteristics of very smart and very dumb.
Now compare how the Zodiac persona bragged about how clever he was, yet he, and or his associates, cowardly ambushed youngsters! How “clever” is that? On the surface, there appears to be nothing “clever” about it. The same goes for items like the “I knew” letter. My opinion is that these crimes are primarily psy-ops, designed to steer the public subliminally, and thereby obscuring a more sensible motive.
The Ramsey murder had many layers of deception rigged into and after the fact. Most of these same layers have been dispelled. I assert that both Nancy Krebs and John Mark Karr were inserted to bolster a couple of basic lies, lies designed to reinforce two false notions.
Karr stuck to a soundbite script, in which he also stated: “Things are not what they seem.” That statement to a researcher of my detailed study of these cases, is something that I like to call “Zodiac Jack 101,” and that it’s the truthful statement among two other statements that blatantly lie. Zodiac Jack appears to have rigged his hints in groups of 3’s, or multiples thereof.
Shutter says in part: “you go as far as to saying you might do it on your own now, why would you state this with everything finalized?”
Uh…I never said I planned on doing a film on the Cooper case myself. That would be a bit beyond my abilities. And I certainly couldn’t afford it. Maybe you got mixed up regarding the homeless picture, which we ARE doing.
I only gave you a general picture on what’s going on regarding the Cooper film, except for the approach, which everyone is agreed upon. I wouldn’t count on them ‘losing interest’ in the film, though. They haven’t shown that so far, and were completely willing to pay the fee for the additional year’s option. I even gave them an out before they did. I told them ‘no hard feelings’ if they wanted to end the option. They responded by offering MORE than I originally was slated to receive in the original contract from January 2017. I don’t know how I can make it much clearer.
Look…bottom line is…YOU’LL know everything when I know everything. And no…I’m not going to change our recommendation at the main AB site regarding the Cooper Forum. Still recommended, with a minor caveat, which I’m sure you’ve seen. We had a *very small* objection to your policy of not allowing the public guests to view any links or pictures you guys post up. You understand that doing this makes a lot of posts by members to not make much sense? Like this: “Look at this evidence I found…” Then the poster puts up a link to such evidence or picture, right? But all everyone sees is this: ‘You are not allowed to view links (or pictures). Register or Login.’ This can have the effect of boring your guest visitors to death, and may even create resentment. Not by me, but maybe from others. As I said, even Dropzone doesn’t do that. Neither does the AB Forum, although we’re not really doing Cooper anymore over there.
It’s rather simple Robert..they can join..it’s not like I shut them out every other week so you might want to stop discussing this? perhaps I could tell them to email me?
You read into things far worse than I thought…I never said they will lose interest in your film. that was about once they do, or if a film, or show is scrapped and was not in reference to your current film…I simply pointed out that they will vanish once the show/film/program/sitcom/car show/garage sale is no longer part of what they do…emails will typically go unanswered…you are communicating with them so no, they will not vanish unless word comes down the pike to scrub the mission..and no, not all of them do this, but it occurs frequently..it’s part of business. they have no use for us once a project is over so why respond…to be clear, having no interest means after they have dropped the project…interest is gone…
Atlas never gave any indication of failure, nor did they respond to my emails after about a month of no contact..I even made an attempt to contact them because my contract had several months left while dealing with another producer…several podcasts have went without notification of cancellation. I remember one guy totally confused after talking to Jo Weber…he vanished..poof, as Jo puts it…Amanda still responds, she no longer works with the show though…
basically, after 20 comments it appears the film is still in the opted stage..that seems to be the bottom line here..not my forum, or what people can see, or what the weather is outside. it’s not in production or pre-production. they appear to be working on a partnership but nothing in stone as of yet. money could be an issue, but I don’t know..you even offered to lower your side..major motion pictures usually have a rather large budget to work with, so I really don’t know what is going on with the stalls…just paying well known actors hit the budget hard…that’s why I find it hard to believe $15 grand for reading a few things for accuracy doesn’t make sense. no mention of who would even play Kenny, or is this not really a “box office” picture?
Shutter says in part: (regarding fact that site visitors cannot view anything at his site except straight text, generally) “It’s rather simple Robert..they can join..it’s not like I shut them out every other week so you might want to stop discussing this? perhaps I could tell them to email me?”
That’s a bit arrogant, don’t you think? Consider these two simple points:
1) You claim to be the ‘biggest website on DB Cooper,’ yet the general public is cut from every link and almost every picture posted by either yourself, or your members.
2) Some of your members probably wouldn’t MIND if visitors could view your place in the normal fashion. Some of them have Cooper books for sale. Some of them are trying to reach the public. Your attitude is a bit selfish, and yes…a little on the arrogant side. It’s almost as if you believe every single thing presented must be filtered somehow from the public, or go through you for approval.
You understand of course…this is NOT the norm for a 21st century website, or almost any site for that matter. What’s the point of even having the biggest site on Cooper…when the general public can hardly make sense of a great many of the posts your members take the time…and research…to present. The only people you reach are your own members, and it’s the same few people posting.
Now setting it up that way is completely up to you, of course. But then it doesn’t make sense to call yourself the biggest site on Cooper. In reality, it is the biggest CONTENT RESTRICTED site on Cooper. Forget about me or what I think. That doesn’t matter. How about giving your members a break and a little free exposure to the public.
Remember when you commented about me having Members Only threads going at the AB Forum? Basically, you do a lot of that same thing, only its your members who suffer. You should drop by your own place as a guest sometime and see what the public sees. Not a lot. Links go nowhere, and most pictures can’t even be seen. Obviously, it’s a private club, not the biggest site on Cooper.
actually, I do it all the time on my phone while at work. I don’t follow the lecturing about a forum you claim to never give a hoot about in the first place..a private club is exclusive to members only..lets not branch way out of context as you usually do..
I’ll say it again…you simply join the forum…it’s been that way since day one..it’s never been closed out to the public like a switch others do in the Cooper community?
I see the old Robert slowly coming out of the background again with the insults and preaching of how HE would do things…just get it over and go back to slamming me..you never stick to anything Robert..drama strives on your existence..I’ll make a deal with you..I’ll manage my forum, and you manage yours….
all of the sudden we shift to my forum…how do you say it..I don’t think Bruce would appreciate talking about this on his forum..the discussion was about the movie, not my forum…stay focused..
Robert, there is nothing “arrogant” about it…and yes, if they are really that interested they will join..I’ve done it on plenty of other forums..many have joined and told me this…again, this shouldn’t bother you at all, but for some reason it seems to get under your skin..I’m sorry, but I can’t help you with that problem..answering questions previous to my forum would be nice 🙂
I think the last question was whether it was really a box office picture?
I just went to “websleuths.com” and got the following just trying a search on the forum…I can’t find the old thread until I sign in…
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as you see above people have different sets of rules just like you…you put You Tube video’s on approval only with comments, I choose not to do this…you don’t show the amount of subscribers while I allow them to be visible…I haven’t checked in a while but you always hide the amount of members on your forum while I choose to show them.. what is relevant to you may not me relevant to me…so, it appears that many people ask for registration in order to do things on there forum. it’s nothing new..what you do is considered “censoring” while you believe it’s not..I believe you also kick members off that are inactive..I choose not to do this..it goes on and on..
Again, I’ll mange my forum and you stick to yours….
Ill “manage” my forum 🙂 even when I look at my post I miss things…it is what it is…
We have less than six members at the AB Forum right now, receive between fifty and eighty guest visits a day (a quarter are probably Google or other bots), and the reason I don’t allow non-approved comments to our YouTube videos is because it keeps out the haters and the crazies.
It’s really as simple as that. As far as deleting accounts of inactive members, I asked Greg to stop doing this. But it didn’t matter anyway…they were inactive. 🙂 Instead of doing that, we now heavily screen anyone wanting to join, and I tell people that since guests can see everything anyway, they don’t HAVE to join. Fewer members, less moderating for me. Everything is open there anyway.
You have me all wrong on this issue. YOU’RE the one saying you have the biggest site on Cooper. And frankly…I actually AGREE with that statement. But the majority of your site visitors are the general public. How do you expect your members’ posts to mean much to the public if the public can’t even follow the posts? Not like they can comment or anything, right? What you’re doing doesn’t make sense…unless you are worried about DNS attacks or something. Then I could see that I guess. (A Denial of Service attack is when a planned attack is made against a website by continually clicking on links or other items that drives up the rate of bandwidth being used, until the server is overwhelmed with requests.) But this is an extremely rare event usually reserved for major websites, not sites like the Cooper Forum.
Okay…you keep shooting questions at me about the movie. I’ve answered them pretty well, I think. If you have specific questions, if I can answer them, I will. If I can’t I won’t. It’s no big deal and no one here is ‘against’ you. If we were, we wouldn’t have recommended your site to others, and ceased talking badly about your site at the AB Forum. But…I have a right to my opinion as well as you, and I think your current policy of Can’t View Links or Pictures Without Getting Past ME First, is sort of unfair to your own members. Maybe some of them WANT the public to see those things. It isn’t about me…I don’t visit there anymore. This is about THEM.
Robert, once again you go nowhere with this…my site is not your concern…my site shouldn’t bother you as much as it does…what i do with it is my business and not yours. I don’t go onto other forums telling you what you should be doing. post after post about my forum…Shutter Shutter Shutter. “Shutter hired someone”…”Shutter paid someone” etc. etc.
The forum will remain the way it has always been since February of 2014. get over it..
simple questions were asked about what you post HERE, and not what you believe is right to members only on your forum..what, both of them? you have conflicts in the statements made here that needed to be answered, instead we shift to my forum when it gets uncomfortable. you are the one who claimed it was in pre-production with zero signs of it being “an example” you were the one that claimed the second production company was “finalized” then state yesterday it was lined up to have a partnership as of March which means not “finalized” you specialize in “cliffhanger” comments. I called you out on April 8th when you posted it was in pre-production asking if full payment was received. that means the rights they purchased will be used, not when the film actually starts recording!
you have no room to talk about what others should do when you have so many problems yourself. me, I do this as a hobby. it’s a full time job with you trying to form everyone to fit your needs. the statements you made were NOT examples…the bottom line is the movie is still on the shelf. stop making things up trying to make it appear differently..you don’t want to discuss the film, then stop posting about it…
No one is making things up around here. If you have any specific questions regarding the picture, I will be happy to answer them if I can. All you do is what you’ve always done with me. Instead of REAL questions that determine some sort of REAL interest, you go somewhere else with me. I am not Jo Weber, neither am I stupid. I don’t see any conflicts in my statements. You just don’t understand what’s going on, or you choose NOT to.
then stop saying the film was in “pre-production” while acting like it was an example!!! that’s called making things up…same for the second production company…I understand completely what is going on, so I’m guessing you will be more honest in future comments made here, or anywhere else…those were REAL questions that YOU have two different answers too…so they were addressed…
The whole Josh Gates thing was a waste. They didn’t have a long show to begin with and then they wasted the whole second half of it on a stupid theory that wasn’t even plausible to begin with. That time could have been so much better used. But, I guess if the star wants to jump out of a plane…
I really don’t follow how someone could stop the movie? according to you they don’t like many of us so why would they side with us? I personally would never do a nasty thing like that..I have better things to worry about.
IMO, it sounds like you have a small company trying to hook a much larger company that would have the funds to get it off the ground. when you made the claim of taking a cut makes it sound like the budget is struggling before the filming has even started…major motion picture producers don’t bother with drama and get right to the point of making the film a reality. they have boat loads of money, way more than networks have to work with. they pay good actors millions to put them in the movie…what they pay you is zip compared to most of the payroll..actual screenwriters will handle the script and not take direction from someone not familiar with film production. sure they might ask you a few questions but I seriously doubt you have any real control in this venture..the term “technical adviser” is what you should really be stating…films like “Walking Tall” had the actual Buford Pusser on the set as a “Technical Adviser” telling them what is accurate. it’s a little different movie but the term is the same..plus, the film is not about you…
Shutter says/asks, in part:
“then stop saying the film was in “pre-production” while acting like it was an example!!! that’s called making things up…same for the second production company…I understand completely what is going on, so I’m guessing you will be more honest in future comments made here, or anywhere else…those were REAL questions that YOU have two different answers too…so they were addressed…”
Shutter, do you understand the difference between someone who asks legitimate questions in order to get answers or information…and someone who just plays ‘Gotcha!” ?
I would say you are in the latter category. You don’t ask things of me because you want accurate answers. You do it searching for some tidbit or other you can jump upon in your attempts to call me a liar. And frankly, I dance you around a little bit with the two-step because I can see the difference. But just to set you straight on things, this is the situation. (Seems like I have to number these things so you’ll ‘get it’.
1) The option was due for renewal on Jan 19 of this year or so. We negotiated a payment. Payment was made.
2) About a week later, I was told they (production company who signed) had gotten the interest of a partner company and they were close to a deal. In March, that was finalized. Yes, I know who they are, and yes they have a decent track record.
3) In response to my last inquiry on how far along they were starting on this film, I was told three things. First, they are now actively seeking a known screenwriter. Second, yes, they were definitely doing the movie, although nothing would happen until after the Oscars. Third, they described the project as being in ‘pre-production’. I did not ask them to define that term to me. So far, they have been very straightforward and honest, and answer all messages and calls promptly.
4) None of us here at AB, or the producers, have any doubt that the movie will be made.
5) Writers, or people whose books have been optioned for a motion picture, do not generally get paid what they are owed until something happens, and it is a more or less a legal term in fillmmaking. Payment is due on the first day of production shooting, which has not happened yet. This payment is made not by the film company directly, but from a third-party company who pays the bills and holds the money. This type of system was started many years ago to prevent greedy producers from recruiting investment funds for a picture…and then bailing off to Mexico. A long time ago, this would sometimes happen. This system may vary from studio to studio, and I am certainly no Hollywood producer or expert, but that’s *generally* how it goes.
Movie is coming, Shutter…whether you like it or not, or believe it is…or NOT. 🙂
Robert, you think you can read minds, but as usual you are way off…I don’t care if the movie is made or not..another poster told you that, not me! I don’t go looking for issues. I have memory that tells me something is wrong so I address it…calling something an “example” is ridiculous Robert, plain and simple..
when you state something was finalized and then post “I know as of March they had another company lined up for the partnership to do this film, but that was just last month” it doesn’t make sense. so, when I read things that are conflicting I address them..it’s just something I picked up reading about all the known suspects when people tell there story. it has nothing to do with a Bob Knoss “Gotcha” you always assume to have answers to what people are trying to do…just as stating people “hate” you, I think people “hate” the things you do is the better answer..all that happens when you get online is a bunch of drama…you dug into me very soon into this thread, then complain it’s not the place to do this or that…nothing on your own forum so you come here dropping my name a hundred times with off topic rants, something you complain I do. you do it here? when you tell the owner of a website to ban you so you can’t comment, you got issue’s…
I think you should give the thread back to people so they can comment on DB Cooper….
Stop playing Gotcha with me, and either ask a legit question if you have one…or please step down from my back. 🙂
You say: “I know as of March they had another company lined up for the partnership to do this film, but that was just last month” it doesn’t make sense. so, when I read things that are conflicting I address them…”
It makes perfect sense. My point was this: Because they just partnered up with a second production company in March…and this is only APRIL…that’s why production shooting has not begun yet. First, you have to hire a screenwriter…recruit a director….start casting the thing…takes a little time, Shutter. And during this time they are keeping details under wraps. A lot of money is involved here, you know. How much did you really expect I was going to tell you about all this on a public forum? I am under a confidentiality agreement regarding certain things with this movie, you know.
Frankly, you are about the LAST guy I would be totally straight with anyway. Not only do you spend a lot of time publicly playing ‘Gotcha Games’ with me, but you don’t even have the courtesy to make your inquiries on a sensitive subject PRIVATELY.
I understand that TODAY…here in 2018…that you and your members don’t do as they were doing some time ago, during the time the production company was doing online research. Which means hacking on good old RMB a lot. Calling me a liar. Whatever. But back then, between about June of 2016, and December of that same year, the production team were visiting your site a lot. In fact, that’s what got them curious about me. They didn’t find me on an internet search. They found me at your place. (I guess I should thank you for all the attention, even though most of it was negative.) So in a way, you are back-door responsible for what’s happening now. Basically, you went so far overboard that it made them curious. So they contacted me directly. The rest is history.
You keep saying you have no interest in the film. Okay, fine. Then why all the questions? Just wait for the official announcement. You’ll probably find out via the internet at practically the same time as I do, anyway. 🙂
Shutter I read more then a couple Facebook posts where Gene spelled Dave Snyder’s name correctly…I think he just made a typo when he wrote you thought you would like to know.
Just because there is a movie in the works, that doesn’t mean I’m disinterested in any possible suspects. Is this Snyder a suspect in the case?
they are all suspects in the case…he was shorter than Tina but she failed to notice that..he was bald on top but a wig would never be noticed. he was friends with the flight crew and that’s why he didn’t want them in the back..I’ll tell ya, either he was Cooper, or he wasn’t..one way or the other the truth will come out..you can be sure of that! 🙂
Yes he is and according to bland he fit the physical description perfectly and came up with money shortly after the hijacking. Enough to retire and purchased a dropzone in kansas for get this 200k!
Hmm. I have to admit that sounds interesting. First place I would go on that theory, if I were checking it out…is to find out whether this Gene person financed his purchase through a bank, got a loan, or something like that. If not, I would go further with it.
Parrothead Vol says, regarding the Gates program:
‘The whole Josh Gates thing was a waste. They didn’t have a long show to begin with and then they wasted the whole second half of it on a stupid theory that wasn’t even plausible to begin with. That time could have been so much better used. But, I guess if the star wants to jump out of a plane…’
True enough. I chose not to be on that show, but I had a lot of fun assisting the Ariel Store and convincing the production company to show up there on the day of the last party they held, rather than waiting for the next day when everyone was gone. I just never figured on Dona Elliot’s boy going crazy on us a couple of days afterward. Believe it or not, I think he did all that at Facebook because he found out that both myself and the AB staff were (at that time) supporting Hilary Clinton for President. I cannot think of any other reason, since we made several trips for him, donated most of the food and drink, provided the music, gave him cash as well as several valuable items that were auctioned off for him at the event. We also got him into two newspapers, and yes…better coverage on the show. He and his main squeeze Tina S even hugged me as I was leaving. Three days later…he’s trashing me at Facebook LOL. I never figured it out for sure. It was the biggest surprise of my life, I think.
Here’s the really FUNNY part: After I returned to Auburn the next day, (Sunday) after his big party, I contacted my mom down in Mesa. I asked her if she would be willing to front up something over $100,000 to assist in bringing the store back to code. These funds would have come from a trust fund my parents set up for me and my sister years ago, I told her we might need as much as 200K, but it was for a good cause. She answered me on Tuesday, saying yes, I could have this money. My only requirement to the store was that I would have a say in which contractor was hired to do the job, and that I would review his bid and pay him directly. And…okay…that the store would put up a plaque or something afterward crediting AB of Seattle. Not a lot to ask, folks.
The next day…a Wednesday…that’s when Bryan W, in his infinite wisdom, decided to trash us at Facebook after all the help, the promotion, the donations, the trips, and everything else. Hell, I even helped him move his pot plants before the party. 🙂 Now I couldn’t care less if the building eventually slides down the hill and never reopens. And I will never have anything to do with either Bryan, or the Ariel Store again. You can quote me on that.
Robert, once again you are leaving tons out..you turned a good deed into a hate campaign. similar to here you filled a Facebook page meant to help someone in need up with rants about me. nobody said what you tried to do wasn’t good, but you couldn’t shake the Shutter Shutter Shutter. this is when you filled your site up with comments about me..the obsession was off the chart. you used this as a platform to get back at me. I believe you told Bruce he wasn’t allowed at the picnic while Brian said differently…Brian finally had enough, along with his family. he said you were acting like the owner (who would of thought) along with the old AB spamming. Brian emailed me after the separation, but as usual you tried to blame me for the whole thing..I sent Brian I think two emails, maybe three during your interactions. the last one I sent was due to the language he used. once the dust cleared he apologized for all that happened. regardless to what you think about me, nothing of the sort should of been on a donation/memorial Facebook page..post after post was full of drama. you destroyed the whole page with off topic rants. the story you have now about the money came after the fact…what are the odds, right..Brian still sends us emails every so often..he’s struggling while you wish for the building slides down a hill..perhaps I should go all over the internet saying you are trashing Donna’s legacy with that comment..
To be clear…I sent Brian an email at the very beginning..he returned one that wasn’t very nice..I sent another email a month or so later and that’s when he responded with vulgar language and writing during which appeared to be under the influence..the third and final email was sent about his last email and using the language he did. that was the end of my contact with him until he decided, on his own to remove you from the picture. that’s when he sent me and I believe he attached Bruce and Meyer the formal letter of apology to us about dealing with YOU..not from what we said, but his clear thoughts about interactions with YOU that WE had nothing to do with. you pissed off his whole family according to Brian..with good reason Robert..you are banned for life from there as well. you went as far as to claim copyrights on pictures you took that was placed on the Facebook page..Brian ended up making his own page due to your behavior..this is another thing you can’t blame others for. you couldn’t even put two and two together with the settings of the community. you brought rock music to a country setting lol..
Now you wish to make it political for the reason of your removal, are you kidding me Robert! you can’t think of any other reason? WOW…what’s next, you going to tell people here you have been discussing DB Cooper the whole time? perhaps I should be like you and post exactly what Brian said, or make a wordpress article, or have people email me for it? the REAL reason is very apparent in his email? anyway you look at this, it was done in very, very poor taste. his mother just died and you couldn’t hold back the constant Shutter Shutter Shutter….shameful Robert, period!
I am trying to get more info on this dropzone that he puchased hopefully I can get an address and look the property records.
Interesting lead, isn’t it. Snyder, Bland, et.al. So far out of left field, too. Thanks to Shut for helping encourage the taciturn Gene share his truth.
Stop playing Gotcha with me, and either ask a legit question if you have one…or please step down from my back.
I told you the reason…we now know you will be more careful in the future…no biggie…
If someone has a question for Gene, just state it here and I’ll ask him..
Expeditions Unknown did put more light, actual a lot more light with more clues with the tie..some good did come from the show..I don’t hold anything against them. it could of been better but it is what it…or was what it was…
I will address that last, very large post by Shutter regarding the Ariel Store and Adventure Books’ staff participation in it. And although it was a big damn list of things we did free for him, there was ONE I didn’t mention: That we hooked him up with several computers onsite and fixed it so he could accept donations from credit/debit cards, etc. This was done the day prior to the party.
We turn on the computers…go to Shutter’s site. What do we see? Several posts by both you and Georger disparaging the entire effort, and saying things like, ‘we’d be involved except for Blevins’.
I don’t know what happened between you and Bryan, and frankly I don’t care. None of that event would have happened, none of that money would have been raised, if AB had not worked closely with Bryan and several media outlets from between April (our first visit to take pictures) and August, (the event itself). The reason I mentioned Trump is because we found out later that both HE and YOU were strong supporters of Trump for President, and we suspected that Bryan found out our support for Clinton. There was no other logical reason why he would turn on us like he did. Did you read the list of things we did for him to help the store? I mean…did you REALLY read it?
Banned from his store? Are you kidding me? I never had any intention of returning, ever.
Don’t get the idea that I blame you for this situation somehow. It wasn’t your fault. Bryan is two-faced, and I’m not the only one he stepped on that day after he got what he wanted. For example, Meyer shows up that afternoon. Tells me that Bruce is sitting on a guard rail hoping to be allowed to enter. I tell Bryan about it and ask him if he might relent and let Bruce come on in. Bryan says he will deal with it. He left. Later, I hear Bruce wasn’t allowed in. Bryan even asked me what I thought about the idea, and I told him, sure…let him in if you want. The truth is Bryan was taking what he could get from everybody and then treating them like dirt. Don’t believe me? I can show you a few emails later from some of the locals…who when they heard what Bryan had done with AB, wanted nothing more to do with the store. Neither do I.
The copyright claim was my official explanation. I spent the time making TWO trips at 125 miles each way prior to the party to set up promotional materials, and did a video on the day of the party. After Bryan did what he did the following Wednesday, I didn’t just claim copyright on all that media…I completely deleted everything we had. All of it. He wasn’t even worth the space on our computers. His email address is blocked, and I never want to hear from him again. I will remind you of something: YOU were NOT there. YOU live clear across the country. YOU have not been to the store, EVER. Those are facts. So you didn’t know the situation. The day prior to the party, Bryan and I made a complete examination of the building from attic to basement, and I took notes. That’s how I came up with the idea of fronting up to repair the store and put it back in business. I knew the party alone wouldn’t do it. He needed BIG money.
Don’t speak to me about Dona’s legacy. I went to the mat for that place over a period of six months, and was ready to go further, and put my money where my mouth resides. And I’ve had people in Cooperland talk badly about me over the years, but none of those things even came close to what Bryan did. Had I been working with Dona herself…she would slapped her son like a red-haired stepchild for doing what he did to the people who tried to help him.
In a small measure of poetic justice, Josh interviewed Bryan for the show. And the interview was later cut for the final version. It was exactly what he deserved.
you are always full of excuses..you have to drive a lot miles, that’s tough Robert..you signed on to it, so stop making excuses..it’s never ending with you Robert…nothing happened between me and Bryan…he emails every once in while with updates…you were too busy commenting about me…I know all about it Robert, trust me…make all the excuses you can…that’s all you do..and yes, you did blame me…Shutter Shutter Shutter…..go ahead and make 10 more comments full of excuses….
I didn’t see any ‘excuses’ back there in my responses. I saw facts presented PDW. (‘pretty damn well’) And I have seen Bryan’s updates at Facebook from time to time. Nobody blames you for Bryan’s behavior, although I thought the comments by you and Georger just prior to the party were a little impolite. But they weren’t vicious or anything. And I already told you that what happened with him was not your fault. Sure…you guys over there at the Cooper Forum have been known to drop a few insults on me from time to time, but that was basically harmless.
Did you know that we even hauled a triple stainless-steel sink with water service all the way to Ariel? It was worth five bills. WA State health dept. requires such a sink to run parties where you serve food. Hell…I even got myself a Food Handler’s Permit for the event. 🙂 I ended up giving him the sink for a hundred bucks and paying the owner of the sink TWO hundred for not bringing it back to her. (former director of the Auburn Days Festival) Bryan wanted it to meet code on any future events.
Oh, hell. Let’s mention some other stuff while we’re all here. The moving of ten cords of wood to make room for the party area. The setting up of a wall made out of those cords that extended a hundred feet. Five bills at Costco to feed everybody. Ten cases of water. Two BBQ’s and free propane. A music system set up with over 300 custom songs. Frankly, it was an endless list. No wonder it took us six months to set it all up for him.
Bryan’s behavior actually makes you look pretty good in comparison. Hell…none of you over there ever did anything like HE did to us LOL. 🙂
Look, Shutter…one more small thing and I think we can leave this alone. I think you can see now why I decided to go to my folks and ask them for the money to repair the store. It was because I had been up-close-and-personal with the store’s problems, and I was heavily invested for months working with them, setting up the party and the promotions. We got them on TV when it counted. Two newspaper articles. All the free stuff. All the WORK. For MONTHS. Bryan and I even did a complete inspection of the building from stem to stern, and I had a prestigious organization of retired engineers ready to volunteer their time to do a more thorough inspection and run up a free report, with drawings etc for needed repairs.
I mean…we were INVESTED in the store big time. I LIKED Dona Elliot, you know. That’s why after the party was finally over…I decided to go ahead and take the big step. I wanted to store to reopen as much as anyone else, and no matter what people say, I definitely put the work into it, and my money where my mouth is.
Bryan pissed off a lot of people, you know. It wasn’t just me. On the day of the party many of the locals were involved, and I was working with some of them for months prior to the party. When they heard what happened, some of them turned their backs on Bryan as well. Can’t say I blame them.
Do you think there will ever be another DB Cooper Days event?
Maybe, but it probably won’t come about in the place and with the people that it did once before. Perhaps some kind of festival/symposium – perhaps on Merwin Lake in the picnic grounds.
Merwin Lake would work, but no drinking allowed, almost certainly. Just saying. Private property would be better. You could try hitting up Bryan for another outdoor one, using a banquet permit, but I won’t have anything to do with that.
As far as Shutter’s ‘both sides’ comment, I will just ignore that. I know better. 🙂
Received an e-mail telling me that Bruce Smith asked about me. Finally found Bruce’s site and had been curious what happened to everyone from the old Drop Zone days. Glad to see that Bruce is still in the game as well as a few stragglers from the old site. So the questions remains, when is someone going to solve the great DB Cooper mystery?
We’re working on it, Orange. Wassup with you? Welcome back.
It’s hard to say. Obviously, I ditched the store after what Bryan did. One day, his squeeze Tina S is hugging me as I’m leaving while they held more than $2,500 in their hands, and kept a lot of the valuable items we donated for the auction that didn’t sell that day. The next, she’s calling me names at Facebook. The two of them are screwed up beyond belief. In fact, when I first heard about these things I thought it was a joke at first.
One of the problems Bryan has, and has had, is that some of his family members want to sell off the Cooper memorabilia piece by piece, and some of them think they have money from all that coming. Bryan told me this at length. The place was a shambles, and he keeps his dogs indoors back in the living area, or at least he did back then. The place smelled to high heaven of piss, and the carpets were ruined. The kitchen was completely trashed. The Health Dept ‘recaptured’ Dona Elliot’s licenses for good reason after she died. The whole thing was a frickin’ shame, and I did my best to help him out of that situation. The only thing I got for my trouble was a hard time and our expenses ran close to what he actually collected. I figured out that it was Dona who actually kept the whole thing together, and Bryan was a piss-poor follow-up.
If and when I get paid on the picture, maybe I’ll throw one last Cooper party on my own. Way out in the middle of the Olympic Mountains. 🙂 The other option would be if Cooperland stopped coming after each other, checked the actual FACTS about the store, and organized something that would raise enough money to restore the store. That building is nearly a hundred years old now, and built on a severe slope. Each winter it gets worse, and unless things have changed, Bryan doesn’t even have a regular job. He uses the store as his home now, and keeps a donation jar on the bar for tourists and visitors who drop by from time to time. But without a serious infusion of cash and a sincere effort, that place will never reopen again. When I inquired about an equity loan for repairs, I found out they would cost between 100-150K. But even though the place has no mortgage, it is valued at less than fifty thousand dollars for tax purposes, and Bryan said his credit rating would prevent any loan anyway.
“When I inquired about an equity loan for repairs, I found out they would cost between 100-150K. But even though the place has no mortgage, it is valued at less than fifty thousand dollars for tax purposes, and Bryan said his credit rating would prevent any loan anyway…”
THAT is why I finally went to my folks. Later, I had visions of putting all this up for Bryan, and perhaps he does the same thing, but waits until the repairs are paid. I think we (AB of Seattle) were lucky to get out of that when we did.
The name of the DZ Dave Snyder purchased for 200k shortly after norjack was called sky sports in hutchinson ks, I found a youtube video back from 2014 of the guy who took over the dz after dave passed…he has since passed himself.
Two sides to the story and I have both…..you made a circus of the whole thing, period…end of story.
You weren’t there…you didn’t work on that event for six months…you provided nothing but criticism when you heard AB was involved…you don’t even LIVE on the West Coast of the USA….you’ve never even BEEN to the Ariel Store. That’s my version of ‘case closed’. 🙂
Sorry forgot to post the link…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcSAFOEe_gI
The link above is actually another video I found… it’s an interview with one of snyders former students at sky sports who described him as an outlaw and said he liked to push the limits hmmm as they say in spanish muy interesante! (very interesting)here is the link for the first video I was referencing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcSAFOEe_gI
Ok guys got some more info on snyder and I think I can move on from him….according to bland he fits the physical description but I talked to clay crouse earlier this evening a skydiver who jumped with him at sky sports in ks…he knew him in the mid 70’s 10 years after bland knew him…I spoke with him earlier this evening and he says he was 5’7 – 5’8 and was white paste (would get a farmers tan) I do not see how that fit’s the description so I do not know why bland said that maybe you can ask him shut? Also let georger know about my findings… I noticed he asked on your forum, I also noticed the overbite and kind of jacked up teeth he brought up,
Good work, Nicky. Thanks. Also, how old was Snyder in 1971? I’m guessing he wasn’t mid-40s, but more like Rackstraw – later 20s or early 30s.
On the DB Cooper forum there was a video posted by FLyJack that did include some pics of Snyder. He did IMO seem a little bit short or the people next to him were tall. His face and hair do resemble the sketch of Cooper. I should say that a lot of people do resemble the sketch of Cooper.
Geoffrey Gray’s (‘Skyjack’) horse finally popped, I see. The Peoples’ horse is born. 🙂
Cute baby horse. Better than kitten videos. Seen way too many of those. Now, can this pony win races? Odds say no but it has good lineage and a sharp promoter in Geoff. Hope we are seeing the birth of a Derby winner 🐎.
Nice to see Orange1 here.
Snowmman is doing well. Doing his mountain climbing thing in retirement. I wish I were in as good shape as he is.
377
Go to full screen for best results. Mom keeps blocking out the foal while she eats. “After what I’ve been through today, YOU’D be hungry too.” Congrats to True Ink and Gray both. 🙂
Thanks, Bruce. Good to hear from you too. A lot of posts on this thread and about 50% of them coming from our dear friend Robert Blevins. What? Jo is missing her opportunity? LOL. Anyway, score one for you, Bruce. Has anyone heard from the Snowmman? His research brought so much to the DZ.
Get the first feature film ever on the Cooper case…direct a movie on the homeless situation in Seattle…and the next thing you know you’re Jo and everyone dislikes you. 🙂
Come on. You don’t really believe I just plot evil here all the time, do you?
Snownman can be reached through Mark, aka ‘377’. Last time I heard.
OK, thanks Robert.
Hey, Orange –
Jo is not in the best of health, so some of her intensity is diminished. Not sure why she doesn’t post here with any frequency, though. She does send out emails, which are long missives, and she send them to EVERYONE in media who has ever written a story on Coop. Would you like me to make a referral for you????… heh, heh…..
Snowmman left the Cooper scene a number of years ago. I suppose I could be cute and say he left once you stopped posting with any kind of regularity, but the truth is he made a Big Turn in his life, as I hear from 377. Snow is getting closer to his namesake, and is focused primarily on mountaineering. I don’t have any direct access to Snow, but he would send me emails via 377 encouraging me to investigate American-based oligarchs from Russia who had ties to titanium. It’s Cooper-esque, but he may have presaged the current Putin putterings.
You better keep my address in your secret file, Bruce. I miss Jo, sort of, but not as an e-mail penpal. An update now and then works for me. I just hated to see the torment that poor lady went through. I will say that Robert Blevins doesn’t have a tendency to quit. Wish him all the luck in his upcoming homeless feature film in Seattle. Would love to see you get interviewed in his film, Bruce. As for the snowmman, mountain climbing might be a good fit for him. Closer to god and all. Maybe even closer to Cooper too. g’night.
ps….hello to 377. Give him a shout from me.
Blevins says: “Geoffrey Gray’s (‘Skyjack’) horse finally popped, I see. The Peoples’ horse is born”.
Yep, I got the email on that. I signed up a while back on Gray’s website for the Cooper deal. Now, I get all kinds of emails on everything but D.B. Cooper.
Quote: parrotheadvol says:
April 19, 2018 at 11:39 am
Blevins says: “Geoffrey Gray’s (‘Skyjack’) horse finally popped, I see. The Peoples’ horse is born”.
Yep, I got the email on that. I signed up a while back on Gray’s website for the Cooper deal. Now, I get all kinds of emails on everything but D.B. Cooper. : Unquote
Yeah, it seems like one big put-on, doesn’t it! Over 200 emails surrounding Blevins.
Yeah…I used to post at Gray’s site, mostly on the ‘Island Acquisition Strategies’ thread. I pointed them to a fifty-acre river island in Pennsylvania that was for sale cheap, and next to a wilderness area. Road access, town access, etc. Rejected because it wasn’t tropical. But tropical islands run from the hundreds of thousands into the millions. I thought that idea wasn’t realistic. So I quit making suggestions. 🙂
“Yeah, it seems like one big put-on, doesn’t it! Over 200 emails surrounding Blevins….”
Well, it’s not like I discuss Cooper or Cooper-related stuff over at the AB Forum. If by ’emails’ you actually mean ‘postings here’, this isn’t the ONLY place I hang out on the internet, and Cooper is actually a far second in subjects I discuss. I think I have over 600 posts at the Infamous Nissan forum, ’cause I own a couple of Nissans. Here’s the one I just picked up yesterday, with pictures:
http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41494
I don’t discuss Cooper there, either. No one even knows about the book or the movie. Which is how I like it. 🙂
Ron Terry makes an interesting (and fairly recent) suspect for Cooper:
https://www.ozy.com/true-story/will-the-real-parachuting-hijacker-please-stand-up/86055
Sounds like he led an interesting life. As far as being Cooper, I don’t think so. Burying the money under a tree does not explain the shards. As with all of the other suspects, this one lacks the smoking gun also.
Well, you know how it is. Believe it or not, I look at each and all new suspects. Not to necessarily disprove them, but because it’s interesting to do so. I had not heard of this Ron Terry guy before.
NOTE: I gave up on trying to convince Shutter to allow public viewers at the Cooper Forum to see links and pictures. When you guys post up stuff over there, a lot of it doesn’t make sense to outside viewers. You know…you post up ‘look at THIS article,’ or ‘look at THIS picture,’ or ‘here’s where you can find my new book on Cooper,’ but what everybody actually sees is ‘You are not allowed to view pictures or links. Register or Login.’
This is what is seen by everybody on the internet who goes there. If you guys are trying to reach the public, that’s not a good way to do it. Even Dropzone didn’t do that. I was thinking you guys should do a poll whether that should continue. Unless someone registers, they can’t make heads or tails out of most of the postings there.
No big deal to me. I haven’t been there in a couple of months. But if you’re looking to keep public interest…gain new members…etc…. The AB Forum, on the other hand, is no big shakes. But even WE don’t do that. People can see everything, registered or not.
UPDATE: I will apologize for the previous post. I already presented my best case to Shutter on this issue, and it was rejected. Okay…I will accept that it is HIS place, not MINE…and move on. I suppose if his members didn’t like the present policy they would have said something to him about it already.
I will accept that it is HIS place, not MINE…and move on.
You haven’t a clue what “move on” means, or going just a week without mentioning my name..
you have an obsession you can’t seem to shake. I don’t know why it’s so hard for you to try and stay on topic without my name? I’ve told you so many times it’s ridiculous..the site has been that way since 2014. we have producers, writers, schools, military etc. on the site. I even showed you that a site YOU visit (websleuths) doesn’t even allow searching without joining so you need to get busy forming them into your vision of the perfect site.
You have claimed for years to have a public forum that you have SHUT the public out to more times than I can recall, or stated the closing of it (permanently) to the public dozens times. is it open now, or closed?
I have an idea, I doubt this will work, in fact I know it won’t but why don’t you worry about your forum and I’ll worry about mine? try to go ONE week without moaning about me? I think that would be extremely hard for you given the fact of filling this thread up with Shutter Shutter Shutter…
What WAS the topic? I tried to figure that out…
but all I got was this:
‘Guests are NOT allowed to view links or pictures. Register or Login’ 🙂
FYI: Part of the reason the movie producers bypassed you and came to me instead is because they couldn’t research anything at your site because the literally THOUSANDS of links and pictures posted to your site…were locked.
However…after they read all the negative postings about me by some of your members, they wondered why I didn’t respond to them. Why don’t you take a poll and see what your members think. Maybe if they post up something important…they’d actually like it if the public could SEE it.
Maybe the movie producers wanted a fictional DB Cooper story that’s why they went with you. Shutter’s site is very technical and is there for people who want to actually learn more about Cooper.
If I were a movie producer, and was doing research for a move, and I went to a forum to some of this research and found that I couldn’t view certain things without joining, then I would just join the damn thing. It’s not that big of a deal. Other than you, I’ve never heard anyone complain about this. I’d be curious to know how many complaints Shutter himself has had about this “problem”. My guess is – other than you – very few, if any.
I go to several different forums, but I only post on two: Shutters forum and a forum dedicated to Tennessee Vols football. The rest of them I go to, I’m not even a member and guess what, same deal on most of them as Shutter’s site. If I decide I want to see something that bad, I’ll join.
Websleuths must of changed things from a couple years back…I could find the thread but still had to login to post. I went there again this morning and it stopped me in my tracks with the search feature…it is what it is..has nothing to do with anything..if someone really wants to be part of something, well, you need to follow certain rules…yes, producers will simply join…it’s odd that all of this surrounds me while doing a film about Kenny..I have nothing to do with HIS suspect and it’s still my fault lmao…maybe they found out I’m not part of any political side (right or left) and that’s why they bypassed me….lol 🙂 or could it be that I live in Florida…so many options to use against me… 🙂
none have complained, but I have had emails telling me they joined so they could see the links…no negative comments about it..he’s acting like it’s a national network that everyone can see with or without cable..should we start bashing cable, and satellite companies stating not everyone can see TNN, or the Discovery channel..millions losing out by not becoming a regular network?
Flyjack posted about it today
CAUTION: Blevins name used on my forum Alert, all hear this…the name Blevins was used…carry on….
Blevins keeps complaining about this forum’s link/image access policy…
For the record..
I post links and images for the member’s here to evaluate, NOT for the general public. If they were open to all I WOULD NOT POST THEM. A fully public forum is devalued by dissuading shared intellectual inquiries. There are fully public forums for people if they choose..
Shutter’s policy is the right one, membership has its privileges..
Fly,,
Now, rip him apart Robert…the nerve!
FYI: Part of the reason the movie producers bypassed you and came to me instead is because they couldn’t research anything at your site because the literally THOUSANDS of links and pictures posted to your site
Tell them, tough shit Robert….too lazy to to hit the join button, or the contact page…
It’s none of your concern Robert, plain and simple…I see we are back to be “bypassed” by them, and not because we told you to hit the road…can we keep it honest here. oh, crap, look who I’m talking too, never mind…
Blevins movie will never se the light of day I’d bet my ;aw ;license on it!
well, how does he say it…either it will come out, or it won’t..one way or the other the truth will come out….tick tick tick 🙂
This will be my last comment about it…Robert, you really need to move on..the obsession with me is extremely obvious on this thread…I DON’T CARE if they had a hard time reading the forum…a simple solution is available just like thousands of other sites. one thing you can be sure of, it will not be closed out every other week like some others sites do when they miss the nipple on the breast for there daily feeding… 🙂
YOU are not a part of that site, YOU have NO SAY in anything about that site..YOU can bash it all you want here (which you do) and it will not change things…the site has nothing to do with YOU…If we wish to bring up your name in an attempt to catch up with the amount you used my name here, I have a lot of work to do..you don’t even see you fail to follow your own rules? you
can’t go as I mentioned before a week without mentioning my name..all of this for a ban in 2014…oh, yeah, and we talk about you, but you do nothing of the sort?
You have a very strange bunch of producers…they have asked me to contact someone in the past, but when I couldn’t they always said they would do it…they all joined the forum (about 6-8) of them with no problems, or even a hint of one..must of been tough on your boys 🙂 I’m shocked I didn’t receive a complaint from them…must still be in shock, hope they are okay? 🙂 look how much money we saved ya 🙂
My boots can’t go any higher…open the gates…
I did review all the comments, such as they are. Let me make a small quote from one of you:
“If I were a movie producer, and was doing research for a move, and I went to a forum to some of this research and found that I couldn’t view certain things without joining, then I would just join the damn thing. It’s not that big of a deal. ..”
Well, doing a picture is a bit different than television. For one thing, in the initial stages anyway, sometimes they want confidentiality. They didn’t join the AB Forum, either. I told them they couldn’t remain confidential if they did. As you can see more than a year later, only a few people know who the production company is, correct? That’s why they weren’t willing to join up. Say what you will, but a closed ecosystem results in a closed ecosystem. Same few people posting, little or no new input there anymore. You are no longer the ‘biggest site on DB Cooper,’ but more of a private club that as the number of posts increase, the less sense the site makes to the public. The biggest site on DB Cooper is actually the old thread at Dropzone, which some of you incorrectly blamed me as the reason it closed.
Actually….according to Jeannie (aka ‘Amazon,’ who is good friends with the admin at Dropzone) said the REAL reason was because Georger (and some other folks at Dropzone who were not active posters to the Cooper thread) made multiple complaints about other members on the Cooper thread to the admin…and the admin pulled the plug because he got tired of it. Jeannie explained it all to me in person, while I was up there in Monroe over a free weekend fixing her porch and having dinner with her. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with me…even though you keep falsely claiming that on your website. In fact, I was in communication with the admin for a while AFTER the shutdown, and it was on MY urging that he did not delete the entire two-part thread. He was ready to rid the site of all that bandwidth. So in fact, I was responsible for preserving the greatest chunk of research ever on the case. You should be thanking me, instead. If you don’t believe all that, you can quote me and ask Jeannie on your own. The reality is, Shutter…that it was the guy who served as one of your moderators for a while that was mostly responsible for the thread being closed. Your most active member.
You are right when you say that the AB Forum has been occasionally closed to the public, or temporarily closed while I was out camping or something. Yes, I have done that. On the other hand, although you say ‘I don’t care about your site,’ and ‘I don’t go there,’ we know you monitor us quite closely, and actively seek any possible reason to make a complaint to our server in attempts to shut us down. You have done this on more than one occasion. So, you’ll excuse me if we get a little defensive sometimes. You are not to be trusted. We know that.
Actually, we feel a little sorry for your members. I remember when Marty A or Bruce post up links to their books at ‘the biggest website on Cooper,’ and it’s a big waste of time for them. The links go nowhere, and don’t show to the public anyway. Anyone trying to advertise, or promote something on the Cooper case there is wasting their time. They would do better to run a free ad on Craigslist. 🙂
I kind of miss the old DZ site. There were disturbances to be sure, but in friendlier ways than what is going on these days. It’s very competitive and grouchy out there. I did check out Mr. Shutter’s site and saw a couple of holdouts like Georger. But even his temperment towards others has gotten a bit bitchy for me. What happened to civility? There’s no need for an educated fellow to call another Cooper investigator and published author a “parasite.”
Well, hell. You know how it is. There are literally HUNDREDS of comments at the Cooper Forum with my name, initials, whatever attached to them. Most are negative, or downright insulting, or lacking in facts. Some are just plain lies, and I have no way to respond to them. Except here sometimes. People get pissed off at me when I start voicing the truth on things occasionally. Like what happened at Dropzone, for example. Not like I can do that at the AB Forum. The first time I say anything disparaging…there goes another complaint to our server. We learned. Or yes we did. That’s why I shut down practically all discussion on the Cooper case there. The site remains open and active…only because we know that once the movie comes out we will need it to be there for the public. They will have questions.
And just in case anyone is considering verifying my statements regarding the REAL reason the Cooper thread at Dropzone was closed, I already discussed this with Amazon today. I told her what was going on, and that I had quoted her on this issue. She’s a real nice lady, unlike some of the folks who hang out elsewhere.
I think I did a pretty good job replacing her front porch, too. 🙂
In a nutshell it appears to STILL make no difference..no, I don’t care about your site, but CAN use it as an example Robert. I’m not here bashing it. I’m here simply pointing out that you feel the need to constantly bring my name into any given subject. YOU constantly whine about my forum.
there are thousands of producers. if they decided to play 007 that’s something I can’t change. all they had to do was ask for nothing to be said. you put words into people mouths saying differently. did I go around the internet saying what Amanda said about you, or what Atlas thought of you?
TV, Movie, Radio, newspaper, doesn’t matter the title. YOU are the only one complaining.
Orange1, There’s no need for an educated fellow to call another Cooper investigator and published author a “parasite.” it’s pretty obvious Georger doesn’t like Robert. I’m sure that’s my fault too? you haven’t posted in years and yet you join in on the bashing. are you the real Orange1? this site is notorious for phony accounts…perhaps I could PM you on the DZ for verification? where is Ted, Gene, and a few other frequent posters?
The links Bruce posted in the past were wrong..he keeps saying the “DB Cooper forum” instead of “The DB Cooper Forum” please provide the links you say he posted. the links would not just go nowhere if they came from places other than my forum. just because you can’t see them doesn’t mean they won’t work. it was the forum link he gets wrong. stop spreading more rumors.
You have turned the thread into everything you go against….
“In a nutshell it appears to STILL make no difference..no, I don’t care about your site, but CAN use it as an example Robert. I’m not here bashing it…”
A bigger load of baloney I have not seen since I did the Oscar Meyer tour. There are HUNDREDS of posts at your website bashing both me and the AB Forum. They continue to the present day. You’ve come after our server more than once. You’ve been taking cheap shots at us for years now. Everyone KNOWS that. Don’t speak to me about ‘obsession’ when you allow that, blame me for the closure of the Dropzone thread on Cooper, and other things. Georger took it so far, you had to either pull his moderator status, or he volunteered to step aside from it. Maybe he should have stopped doing that at Dropzone, otherwise that thread would still be active.
You say this: “There’s no need for an educated fellow to call another Cooper investigator and published author a “parasite.” it’s pretty obvious Georger doesn’t like Robert. I’m sure that’s my fault too? ”
Of course it is. Don’t you RUN that website? You even posted up a Final Notice stopping all those insulting posts with my name, initials, whatever. You set that idea aside after less than a week LOL. That was a few years ago. 🙂
If he calls you a parasite, so be it…you let your moderator 1000thingy call Bruce a scumbag, so your point? you said nothing..I have the screenshot of it. scumbag..parasite..hmmm which is worse..you just ramble on and on..this thread is all negative against me…95% comes from you, so, I thought it was bad to go to sites with “phony’s and negative comments”? another one unchecked “there r just sleezy low lifes” that’s how it appears in the screenshot.. you said zip about these comments..how about another posters comment, “It’s a problem for Bruce, or Christian’s or any religious nutters” I take offense to that comment! how about “he’s an idiot PERIOD, attention seeking scumbag” then you call me “Master Mister Shutter” they posted this on YOUR forum, as you like to put things…one was a moderator on YOUR forum that was suppose to watch out for things like that lol…parasite lol….doesn’t compare dude..
How about them apples, Orange1? the above are all educated fellows, no?
Bryan pops onto your site with a free admission to the Reality Hotel..
“perhaps before any further pertaining to the Ariel Store and I as the owner should be given consent as I do not agree with the statements now posted. I am my mothers son and like it or not IT’S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY….”
It appears you try to always make things one sided…as we all know there is always two sides to the story….no, you didn’t remove the comments, or say anything about the “nasty comments”
1000 Things’ account at the AB Forum was CLOSED. That’s how I handled it. Not allowed to return, either. And there is not a single negative mention at the AB Forum regarding your site, your members, or any of their opinions on either KC, or the Cooper case itself. Nada, nothing, negatory, zip, and no way Jose.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, literally hundreds of negative comments exist onsite at the Cooper Forum with my name, initials, even Gayla has been mentioned. Many of these posts, as I said, were made by the guy you once had as a moderator. Your MOST PROLIFIC poster. Many of them are also yours.
Bryan, the now-owner of the Ariel Store, is a complete jerk. He took what he could get from everybody, cashed in on all that, and then repaid peoples’ generosity and hard work by turning on them for no good reason. His excuses on ‘why’ are pithy and weak. I will never have anything to do with him again. He went for the short term gain, ($2,500 he got from the auction, and everything he could keep) and then stuck in the knife. Even some of the locals have abandoned their support of the store. Well…not so much the store. They all liked Dona, after all. They just don’t like Bryan anymore. You have to remember that in the six months prior to the party, Adventure Books had to work with many of these people to help coordinate the whole thing. I did not do all the work alone, and locals were involved.
Shutter, I’m going to tell you a secret. Some of your own members are tired of your ongoing anti-RMB tirade, the same one that you’ve allowed for years, despite your famous ‘Final Notice!’ warning to your members. You are responsible for all content on that site. You held us responsible for content at the AB Forum, right? Tit for tat. Quid pro quo and all of that. A few of your members, not many I’ll admit, have approached me behind your back. Even THEY are tired of it, and NO…I’m not going to tell you who they are. It doesn’t really matter. But it does say something.
Whether you realize it or not, your credibility is beginning to suffer. You play sides. You use your own website as a negativity platform. And people are beginning to realize that. Many in Cooperland still support you, and I suppose they should. They have much invested. But they also realize that sometimes you just don’t play fair. You complain and come after our server when we respond to negative comments and lies being told on your site, while ALLOWING those things to continue.
Nothing I can really do about that. But people are starting to figure it out.
lol it was months later…you did nothing about the comments while it was OPEN..two poster with nasty comments and you did zip…something you are preaching here doesn’t jive when you did worse…didn’t you RUN that site?
you are the only one complaining, other than fake posters…again, why do you hang out with a “bunch of phonies” is how you put it…how do YOU hang out on a thread full of negative comments?
why do you believe it’s right to fill up someone else site with negative and false comments, again, something you preach hard about..do you own this site, what gives you the right to bring up my name constantly going off topic with rants? this is a DB Cooper thread. you made it into a Shutter bashing thread. 95% of your comments are about me, not Cooper, or Bruce…ME..how do you right that? you are obsessed, period..you don’t even post on your own forum so you come here and dump garbage…respect? you have been going at this since February of 2014…
I’ll tell you one more time Robert…the server shut you down. that means YOU did something wrong. one minute it was Nicky, the next minute it was me? one minute you post someone’s phone number, and the next thing the site is gone…my fault, my number? then you claim Nicky got you shut down, I think admission was stated by Nicky, my fault, right? I believe admission was also stated about contacting the producers by Nicky, my fault, right? are you positive my sister didn’t have a hand in this?
Now, what you are trying to do is basically shut me down, which is wrong according to you, right? you fill this thread up with negative false comments, but claim I’m the bad guy, right? do I go to other peoples websites filling them up with crap about you? how long do you think Websleuths would allow me to go over and tell them time and time again you call and hangup on people, true or not, and how you accuse people of things because you are blocked, ya think they will allow me to post this over and over on a Cooper thread? not a chance..you continue to purposely forget to wipe your muddy feet when entering the thread and walk in like you own it and post off topic rants about me since the very start of this thread, and others on Bruce’s site. then tell people they have nerve to bring things up off topic here…seriously?
Come on…if I were trying to shut you down I wouldn’t be recommending your site at Adventure Books…
God knows why I do that. I must be a glutton for punishment. There hasn’t been a single negative thing said about you, your site, any of your members, etc at the AB Forum for months. And we’ve never breathed a negative word in any of the WordPress articles. I even spent two hours modifying a certain YouTube video to remove all negative references. The one about Cossey.
Meanwhile, comments at the Cooper Forum using my name, initials, sometimes Gayla’s name, even my cat Hobo I suppose…continue to this day and number now in the HUNDREDS.
you have mentioned my name over a hundred times on one thread…got a mirror? this isn’t your site but you post what ever the hell you wish like it is yours, no?
Shutter, I’m going to tell you a secret. Some of your own members are tired of your ongoing anti-RMB tirade, the same one that you’ve allowed for years, despite your famous ‘Final Notice!’ warning to your members. You are responsible for all content on that site.
again, this should be good news for you? lets see, flyjack didn’t like your constant rants, Parrot confronts you often…it’s actually YOU Robert with the “anti Shutter tirade” look above, it’s full of negative comments and the constant use of my name on a forum you don’t own, or should be posting off topic comments constantly on? you are mentioned very little anymore Robert…can you say that here about talking about me? you have been warned how many times by Bruce about off topic, and yet here you are still talking about me..you can’t stop it, it has a stranglehold on you that you can’t seem to shake. Bruce could start a topic about birds, once you see comments, you start the Shutter effect..right out of the gate..I’ve yet to have a member tell me like they told you “I shall continue to make statements on the DB Cooper case both individually or as part of a group, yet no longer feel obligated to post here due being limited by the inward thinking of this board. I will not conform.” you held these two members hostage trying to get me to lift the ban on you in 2015. they didn’t like it one bit and spoke out. you used them. “I’m in 100% with comment by 1000things..you use this site as a vehicle to get back at shutter” “this just plain isn’t cool”
I got tons more? you keep acting, or presenting things like you are the topic worse than I am the topic here..,you don’t get mentioned hardly at all anymore..the attacks on Bruce were prior to the hostage crisis, so stop the excuses..you allowed hateful content to continue while whining the same on this side?
so, go ahead to blame everyone but yourself about what members say about you..take no blame..you never do..even when caught red handed…
Here is one full comments from the “AB website” in reference to the hostage situation 🙂
“what you see as a policy is a threat to us, you are essentially dictating your control over your membership until you get what you want. (un-ban IP open links on Shutters site???, etc) and in return you will graciously offer the the un-banning your personal vendetta against Georger’s IP? are we your dogs? did I fall asleep and wake up in grade three? and to do this you are holding the free access to DBCooper knowledge hostage until one of us deliver your demands to Shutter? WTF? NYPA dude..
am I the only idiot who see’s you bashing IP block aides, DNS blocking, and knowledge censorship and the in turn, doing the very same thing you oppose?”
I got plenty more…you still want to preach about running sites?
A lot of your posts back there don’t make much sense. We’ve been been down Nicky Road. He claimed you hired him. I couldn’t contact you to verify that because you blocked all com. That is not my fault. Since you had made complaints before to our server, I had no reason (at first) to disbelieve his story.
However, when you said you didn’t do that, I took you at your word. I still do. But at first, yes I was pretty angry. If you went to the Cooper Forum one fine morning and your server had deleted your entire site…and then you get emails from a guy who shows at Facebook as an attorney…and he claims I hired him to do that to you…you would have gone through the roof. My reaction, since I couldn’t get hold of you personally to verify his story…was not that unreasonable.
There is a big difference between us. I actually went in there at the main AB site and the AB Forum and completely cleaned house from top to bottom. NO ONE is allowed to make insulting or disparaging comments about other Cooper investigators anymore. EVER. The public is allowed to view all links, all posts, ALL content. We do restrict registration to approval-only now, mostly due to the Nicky incident. And to shortstop anyone trying to join when I’m not looking and post stuff that could result in us being shut down. I even ditched thousands of views to a video, deleted it, and edited it in the interest of peace before I re-loaded it to YouTube.
You, on the other hand, continue to make RMB insults a science at your place. There are hundreds of them, and they go back for years. And the greatest number of them are made by your BIGGEST contributor. On the other hand, you have made demands to me from time to time to NOT discuss or comment on your site, or your members, at the AB Forum. I went to extremes to comply with that request because I thought it was good for Cooperland, and Cooperland was making it known they weren’t enjoying this back and forth junk either.
I did my part. Why don’t you do yours? Maybe you should issue another ‘Final Notice’ to your members. Maybe they will listen to you this time. 🙂 If you want to trash me or my cat, why can’t you confine to emails and private messages?
And keep my name off your website. Unless you are going to at least be respectful about it. You can discuss me all you want, dispute my work here and there all you want, but if I am not allowed to defend myself with the same people who insult me, then it’s your job to get a handle on things.
this make sense from the site you ran?
“In my humble opinion, they are a bunch of backstabbing, lowlife phonies”
wonder who said that? is this okay while “parasite” is horrific? this is a statement from YOU. pretty bad considering you try and play the victim all the time..
read this thread..Nicky makes several comments about the closure and the producers…as members of yours have told you in the past, I’m NYPA….
sorry, I will not conform to your inward thinking..I’ll post what ever I wish..don’t threaten me Robert…you got yourself into that position, stop blaming others about things you can’t do..
Where the action is? At least that’s the word around the DB Cooper world. Thought I’d stop in and say hi to Bruce and congratulate him on his book. You may have the most informative book to date with some fine work on Tina Mucklow. I always thought it was you who brought her out of her reclusion and prompted her to out herself. Blevins book, while not a bad work, is too focused on the air steward. I doubt it was Christianson. But Blevins is a published author like Bruce and they both should get credit. Why aren’t Georger and 377 at this site? I know that Quade ran off Georger a few times from the DZ. He must be hiding out somewhere.
Thanks, Safe, for your kind words. I never thought I had much of a role in helping Ms. Mucklow come out of the shadows, but I did assist the HC people in making contact with her, so, I guess I had a hand in it, or at least a finger or two.
I’ve never said I was perfect…you sit here night after night trashing me while you have done far worse. this isn’t even your forum or the place to do it. I’m not the one preaching Robert, you are..the problem is you are preaching about the same things you have done!. you tell me how I should run my site and what shouldn’t be said while doing the very same thing you whine about? holding members hostage is nothing I would do..you claim it’s wrong to call people names when you have done it plenty of times. I’m not here telling people what you should do, nor do I go to other sites and make those claims..you are the one stopping this thread Robert trying to look perfect and make me look bad. it has nothing to do with arrogance. you have hundreds of comments about me here Robert..it’s your arrogance acting like this is your place to bring this garbage too. what gives you the right to put all of this drama on a forum that doesn’t belong to you..arrogance you claim?
you keep claiming you can’t defend yourself on my forum, you were banned…that’s what happens when you do things wrong..it doesn’t mean who ever is banned can’t be discussed. tough shit dude. we are going on 5 years of this Robert, 5 years!!! you stopped commenting on your forum so you come here to fill the thread up about me like you own it, arrogance? you are flat out using Bruce, period. it’s not my fault what happened to you. this alone is one reason you are not on my forum…you have taken Bruce’s thread over, hijacked it. you own it. arrogance you say, yes!!
Who is shutter45?
Shutter 45 is a Cooper sleuth like the rest of us, and he’s the admin for the DB Cooper Forum. Welcome Safecracker PLF. Haven’t heard from you in a long time!
What makes you believe that I would WANT to post at your website? I don’t even GO there anymore. As far as your website itself, I only said a couple of things about it…besides that I thought it was a positive (mostly) thing in Cooperland and served a purpose.
I said you should stop using it as a negativity platform with my name attached. And I suggested you visit there as a guest sometime to see what the public sees…which is not a whole lot. Thought it would be more fair to your members, especially the ones with Cooper books out there.
I’m going to ask you one last time to stop using my name over there in any fashion that people could construe as libelous or slanderous. I think a lot of folks are beginning to see that as not-fair. I’m not going to lie to you…I told Greg this morning that he was once again free to keep an eye on the place, since you seem unable to control the comments by your own members. They don’t listen to you, obviously. 🙂
OH NO!!!!
Greg The Techie Guy is now monitoring the Cooper forum??? Please say it isn’t so!!! I guess someone better head over to the forum and warn everyone to be on their best behavior now that Eagle Eye Greg is on the case!!
Serously Robert, don’t you think it’s time to start acting like a grown ass man? I wonder what your movie people would think it they were to “stumble” upon this forum and see all of your posts.
You remind me of my 15 year old daughters friends getting all worked up about what the other girls are saying about them on Snapchat and Twitter. Young girls are expected to act like that, grown ass men are not.
If you didn’t want your name to be mentioned then you shouldn’t have written a book, went on TV, went on the podcasts, and did all of the YouTube videos. You do all of that, you are going to be discussed. You may not like all of the comments, but too bad.
I’m not Shutter, so I can’t tell him what to do here. But if it were my forum, I’d tell you and Greggie boy where to stick your screenshots.
Correct, no negative references on your forum so you use Bruce instead…such class..you read the thread earlier and you stated that you told Greg to stop “monitoring the site” now we have two people with nothing better to do…I think you use Greg as a cover so you can continue to look for the word “Blevins” on my forum, OMG!!!!!! even when it’s not there you are still pounding away at the keys till 3-4 in the morning..Shutter, Shutter, Shutter….then of course you use the old “clean up” to cover the fact of you having dozens of nasty comments on a forum you owned..”scumbag, lowlifes” are good examples…you use my name over a hundred times here on one thread..your boys make fun of religious people, and resort to personal attacks on the person you walk all over ( Bruce) posting this nonsense. one quit, and the other slowly disappeared, neither were removed! 1000things posted for some time after the nasty comments of 2015. the other got tired of your “inward thinking and hostage crisis”
More comments from 2015
I’m going to make a public statement about this board. you’re going to get bashed over having a small membership with few users posting. you have to keep in mind that is the sacrifice for having an open forum. I like Shutters site, I read Shutters site, Shutter seems to be a fine guy. it’s his site and his rules and that is totally cool but you can’t compare that against here, it’s apples and oranges.
3 years later and still at the “link/photo” deal..a site you constantly claim you don’t care about but now decide to send a spy too lol. will this be considered a military operation? will Greg be safe and find his way home? lets face it Robert, this really gets under your skin doesn’t it? why would someone put so much effort in to this..you close comments about Cooper on your own forum and disrespect the owner here with constant drama? as I mentioned before, you have hijacked this thread..it’s all about Robert and his butt hurt problems..women couldn’t keep up,with you..they can gossip pretty good, but you take the whole cake..have you thought of billboards, how about getting some sign flippers on the side of the road to get the word out? paranoid? you send someone to actually read the forum lol..didn’t you try to make a big deal saying I was doing that..is that an excuse to say you don’t visit anymore lmao..
Parrot, I think “Google eye” sounds better 🙂
15 years old seems to be too old…his member thought he woke up in third grade…:)
Jesus guys, this is the same stuff going on as we remember it at the DZ. WTF? Can’t there be a normal discussion about DB Cooper instead of the nonstop spitballs? Welcome SafecrackerPLF. What took you so long?
I’m sure that’s not the real Safecracking PLF. He’s not been heard from in years.
yeah it is, Parrotheadvol. I’m the one who mentioned this site to him a few weeks back. We stay in touch. He e-mailed me back and said he felt like Rip Van Winkle, falling asleep for ten years and waking up to more bickering about who has the real goods on Cooper. Safecracker’s going back to sleep now. He’ll try again in 2028 and see if Blevins is still kickin it. LOL!!!!!
Glad to hear it’s the real Safe. I sent an email to his listed address and it bounced back. Safe – why not contact me directly and say “Hello.”
brucesmith At rainierconnect Dot com.
Robert, this is the internet, not North Korea…people say things, get over it..you don’t seem to like your own medicine much do ya…you can’t sit here a preach all kinds of BS when you have said so many things in the past…as Parrot pointed out, I doubt your producers would be proud of you reading all this garbage you have piled up…it’s hypocritical at the least.
The past is always just the past when you do something, it runs for years when you talk about the past…2011, the PDF, seriously..but Robert in 2015 is in the past, water under the bridge, lol..those “were your boys” that made most of the nasty comments along with you the owner who called people names…something you are Soooooooooooooooo against? “backstabbing, lowlife phonies” is just one…you have no right to jam up this thread and have no credibility to make any comments about me while you allowed them to post these things..preach away though, right? lets not forget about 2014, 16, & 2017…I told you a while back you shouldn’t get into this..the past is the past, but you continue live in it..don’t you think it’s time to go back to the future?
You get mad when people get you shut down, but won’t blink an eye to threaten someone in damaging there real lives with threats to the bar, or to a school, you contact the police, threaten law suits and yet scream the victim once again when the table turns…I wouldn’t even stoop to your level of showing this thread to the producers…you would though…none of this is worth damaging someone’s real life! think about that….
Shutter: We must have posted at the same time. I only saw your message just this moment. Producers are far beyond checking out either the AB Forum, or yours. They are past that stage already. No, I would not point them to this thread. They wouldn’t care anyway.
I’m not going to harp on about this. I think my message was plenty clear. And what I asked is nothing you haven’t asked from ME. In fact, I don’t care if you guys discuss me until doomsday, as long as it’s real discussion and not OTHER STUFF. You’re the owner. Get a handle on it. We did. We even recommend you to others at our main site.
You think I enjoy even SUGGESTING that AB might go to your server? Of course not. It’s embarrassing. I don’t want to do it. That’s why I don’t go to the Cooper Forum anymore. I don’t want to see what’s there. That’s why I gave the responsibility to decide on anything like that..to Greg. I couldn’t do it fairly. Too personally involved. If you guys aren’t doing personal attacks on others over there, then that’s great. If you are, then whatever.
If someone made a complaint against you, that doesn’t mean you got shut down for that reason..perhaps it was multiple complaints, I don’t know Robert..it said you violated there terms, so as I have said a hundred times, you did something wrong that they didn’t like! I suspected it was the phone number you posted..I’m not Proboards…you like to accuse often with zero proof accusing one person then accusing someone else..again, what ever happened appears to be a dose of your own medicine you pass out frequently..the latest subtle threat is a watchdog..like that will help?
You just preached to another poster on here that it isn’t right to post his name, now you once again flip to hate mode and approve it..you never knew the real story why, or how…just like you stated he was drunk, were you there, do you know why he hung up…no! you fixed it all nice and neat like you did the Nicky deal and claimed he was drunk and made it sound like it was the worse thing that happened in years…was it right, no..is it worth bringing up every other day, no! it was long ago, water under the bridge, right, nope, not with you..were you sleeping, no, you were trash talking, wide awake…you sit at home everyday waiting for the moment to pounce..that’s called obsessed dude..
You think I enjoy even SUGGESTING that AB might go to your server? Of course not. It’s embarrassing.
I told you not to do me any favors..that’s all on you so stop the whining, nobody twisted your arm…just more subtle personal attacks…
you have been going there since 2014..your not fooling anyone Robert….get a grip..
UPDATE: I got a late email from Darren S, the guy traveling around doing interviews for his DB Cooper podcast project. He wants to meet me tomorrow evening. I suggested to him that he could save time (he’s coming from Boise, ID) by interviewing both Bruce Smith and myself at the same location. Not to bitch about it…but I get a fair number of interview requests (which will probably increase after the picture comes out) and some of them I turn away.
I also have to work tomorrow until 3PM or so. I thought Darren was coming over the weekend. Now we’re talking a weekday. No problem there necessarily, but I’ve already done my share of Cooper interviews. I suggested to Bruce that I could toss together my hi-def video gear tomorrow afternoon and just shoot the whole thing where HE lives. I don’t allow interviewers come to my place because Gayla couldn’t care less about the Cooper case. (trust me on this) We will see what happens tomorrow. In any event, I will meet with Darren if he wishes, and it will go on video for YouTube. If he doesn’t agree to that arrangement, I will take a pass on it and send him to Bruce. This setup was just fine for the last one. And I was pretty damn tired that day…another weekday interview.
Stupid YouTube. Wrong video link again. My sincere apologies.
LOL…I give up. Bruce should delete the last two posts. I’m not trying that a THIRD time.
This has to be the longest single thread in DB Cooper history. Almost 1000. Of course, Blevins and Shut steal the show again.
So were doing a blevins smith joint shoot and at brucies place can’t wait please be sure to upload footage as soon as possible…thanks robert! Darren will also be interviewing Bryan Woodruff, I am curious to hear his side of the story with the whole blevins thing..
It’s doubtful a co-shoot will be done, although I offered to toss together the hi-def video gear and do separate interviews. It’s a workday, folks…and yes..I do actually work a regular job.
As far as Bryan W, I couldn’t care less what he has to say. We went to the mat for him, and got repaid with crap. Store still not restored, no more Cooper parties are planned there, as far as I know. And that’s a shame. I am a lot more hip to that situation than you might think.
I may just toss a Cooper party on my own up in the Olympics. Or maybe we’ll head for the high desert of eastern Oregon. One thing’s for sure. I like to do stuff beside sit at home. 🙂 I did find out what I did wrong via YouTube. Seven videos on our site there are linked together as a series. I copied the series link, rather than the individual link to the proper video. My bad, and I’m not trying that one again.
So the guy is coming to interview you for his podcast, and you want to record it yourself and stick it on YouTube? Why not just let him release the podcast and not try to steal the guys thunder. Or at least wait until it’s released to put it on YouTube?
Sluggo, Orange1 and now SafecrackingPLF?
It’s amazing how many of the old DZ folks are coming out of the woodwork to post on Bruce’s story. Who’s next? Could we even get a visit from Snowmman? Maybe Quade will show up and help Bruce keep Blevins in line.
Count me in for this history making moment. Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Howdy Parrothead.
Welcome Guru. I guess we’re getting the band back together! Can Snowmman be far behind???
I am not recording the podcast. We will do the interview in a meeting room at the Auburn Library, which I arranged for this morning.
And you can be certain I will be talking badly about many of you. VERY badly.
That was a joke.
I know you were making a joke as well back there about being kept in line…but I am not the one who needs to be kept ‘in line’ LOL. And even if I were, none of you could do it. Many have tried, and many have…whatever. You know the saying. 🙂
As soon as my required work is complete for the Cooper picture, Gayla and I are leaving Washington State for good. Why not? All my other family bailed years ago. Most live in Nevada, California, or Arizona now. We came for Boeing, we leave for something better than the madness, expense, and traffic of Puget Sound. I have been looking at homes in the Kingman, AZ area and lately it has become more serious. My old man came up here in the early 60’s for a Boeing job. After the Big Layoffs, he became a welder instead. And after he fell 30 feet through the hold of a ship (due to someone’s stupidity) he never had to work again. No amount of money, (and they paid him millions plus a monthly stipend), could ever bring him back to full normal. That’s why HE left. I learned a lot from him, and the biggest thing was persistence. I’m leaving because everyone else in my family already has. Hell, I’ve seen everything around this place anyway. 🙂
For those of you who will meet Darren over this weekend, I can tell you he’s a real nice guy and that you should talk to him. He said he was interviewing several people and has a lot of driving to do. I didn’t go on the record with anything bad about anyone at the Cooper Forum, in case you’re wondering. He did ask me why I was banned, though. I corrected him on that. I said I wasn’t banned…I was PRE-banned. 🙂
What I mean is that during the time the Forum was being set-up, there was some temporary spot on the internet where discussions were going on about setting up a separate forum dedicated to the case. And…at that time…it was decided I would not be allowed on board. (Looking back now, that was probably a good thing for me.) But that after the Forum went live, I decided to join anyway just to show I could do it, and I did it under a username. A couple of days later, I revealed who I was and was immediately banned. It wasn’t for anything I did. It was a preconceived notion.
No worries. I have no problem with it, and it turned out for the best anyway. Had I been a member there, I don’t think the production company would have made me the offer they did. Not because the forum itself is ‘bad,’ or anything, but that it was better I had a separate place to hang out regarding the Cooper case, where I could post up links and downloads that could be seen by the public without having to register. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not going into my argument again on why I think the Cooper Forum should do as we do, but it was definitely better for me that everything could be seen.
I think I said this, but no…I did not criticize other Cooper investigators or their internet hangouts. Privately, I issued a mild warning regarding Nicky B, but that was all. Darren says that he tried to get an interview with Marla, but she isn’t really talking anymore, and now lives in New Mexico.
Why is that Robert because I joked around with you not realizing the extent of your madness and you took that and represented it as truth. You spun this how you wanted never did I say I was a lawyer haha that was something you came up with you claimed my Facebook said I was a lawyer it never has… you took a joke out of context and jumped to conclusions..I was not aware of the deep rooted hatred between you and shut or I never would poked the bear so to speak that is the last I will speak on this matter and if you you mention me again Robert I actually know a real lawyer and I will sue you ass. Still want to hear Bryan’s side because I doubt you are telling the truth.
I don’t mean to triple-post, but I have some news. This is from Mark Porteous, son of Skipp Porteous. Seen at Mark’s page at Facebook today:
“Mark Porteous Thank you all for your love and support! Dad passed away in his sleep last night at Hospice of the Comforter. I will post more updates later today…”
No comments here about this. I will create a special thread for him later at the AB Forum. I was really hoping he would live long enough to see the movie. What a bummer.
Robert, please pass along our condolences to the Porteous family. You and Skipp got the ball rolling with your book, even though I don’t believe that Ken Christianson was the hijacker aboard Flight 305. I think you and Bruce Smith should be interviewed together for your contributions with your books. How about a Bruce and Robert vid? And yes, it looks like a reunion of the old DZ family right here at the Mountain News. No sour grapes need attend.
You can post your condolences (if you wish to) at Mark Porteous’ Facebook page. One thing I am glad about is that before Skipp died, I was able to let him know that the production company planned to present the KC-was-Cooper story not as a maybe, or a stay-tuned, but as a matter of historical fact. But to be fair, that’s because they know everything that we know. And I sincerely apologize for not being able to fill everyone in on what that actually means. At least not right now. I am under that damn confidentiality agreement, and frankly…it’s hard sometimes. I can tell you that Geestman’s family was a big help in the final stages of things, but that’s all I can say.
As far as a joint Bruce/Robert video, I might be open to that, but that is strictly up to Bruce. He would have to approach me first on it. I made overtures on different things, but didn’t get a lot of response. If he’s interested, he knows where to find me.
Robert stop playing dumb I am Nicholas Broughton email nbnickyb233@gmail.com same email we conversed on and that you sent and screen shottred and was trying to use as proof that shutter shut down your joke of a site..I can email you now if you would like to prove it????
Robert this entire you took out of context and you made up your own reality just like you did with Kenny… this whole thing with shit just spiraled and if it wasn’t my joke it would of been something else you were ready to go to war with him and the whole thing just detracts from the purpose and that’s my you made the dz a mess and it could of thrived beyond even what it was and kept going if you don’t muddy up the waters so to speak (that was before my time) and it was your doing I made that Initial joke and you came back saying you found me on Facebook and I’m a lawyer yada yada never have I representing my self as one Blevins!
I was posting on my phone on here which i never do somehow it put my name in caps but i am back home on my pc and it back to normal lol… this is the last I will speak to you robert as I do not wish to end up like shutter…good day!
And ban you as well…l I just meant I do not wan’t to get sucked up into the RMB vortex as well as the cooper one 😉
Hell, why don’t you guys just have a big reunion love in at the Auburn Theater this summer. Invite the entire cast from the DZ daze. Bet Jo would show and maybe Georger too with a bodyguard. Would be a hoot.
Good idea, but unfortunately they changed the format for Auburn Days and now hold everything at Les Gove Park. No more theater stuff. But I’m working on another campout where we show all the DB Cooper stuff we can gather for the big screen. I recently got hold of the European version of ‘The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper,’ and I have an all-region DVD player. Already have pretty much everything else available from YouTube, History Channel, and the other outlets for Cooper. Mostly in MP4 or AVI format. You just load them onto a flash drive and stick it into the side of the TV, hit source, and go.
How do we do this out in the middle of frickin’ nowhere without making generator racket? Easy. Same way we did at the eclipse campout. Just run two or three hundred feet of extension cord from the generator to a surge-protected outlet. Can’t hear a thing from the generator and power loss does not exceed 20%. We flip coins to see who fills up the generator every six hours or so at night. 🙂
Robert, just like a store has a right to deny service to anyone they wish I also have a right to deny anyone who I feel doesn’t belong! what happened on the DZ is what you have created here!
Character assassination is a deliberate and sustained process that destroys the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, organization, social group, or nation.Agents of character assassinations employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumours, and manipulating information.
According to Thomas, character assassination is an intentional attempt, usually by a narcissist and/or his or her codependents, to influence the portrayal or reputation of someone in such a way as to cause others to develop an extremely negative or unappealing perception of him or her. It typically involves deliberate exaggeration or manipulation of facts, the spreading of rumours and deliberate misinformation to present an untrue picture of the targeted person, and unwarranted and excessive criticism
This definition fits you like a glove!
I agree, Shutter45. As a result, the purging has begun. All salacious, defamatory, insulting, or personally degrading commentary will be hereby removed without warning. Character assassination is dangerous and unacceptable.
– BAS, Editor
Bruce, he has been doing exactly what you said was not to be tolerated here! read the above and tell me different!
The cleansing has begun. Please be patient.
And besides…in the post you mentioned being ‘above,’ I was only talking about a camping trip and how we ran the power to do movies without having to listen to a noisy generator. I already told you we weren’t holding it against you for old posts, but bringing up more stuff isn’t helping things. Or convincing anyone you are right about everything.:) I don’t visit the Cooper Forum any more, but if you’re having problems there you should get a handle on it.
No, you need to stop using this forum as a gossip page against me..that’s what needs to be done. the comments I “posted above” represent you 100%..
I could say the same thing about YOUR forum. Hundreds of negative RMB comments can’t be wrong. Pot calling the kettle black. The difference is, I generally use logic, truth, and courtesy to address my points. I’ll admit I’m not perfect, but that’s the general approach I try to take. I’m kind of KNOWN for that. 🙂
Just received an email from “Guru” he says he hasn’t followed Cooper in years so as I suspected most of the DZ posters are phony accounts…Orange1 never responded to my simple test, I doubt Safe would either, or Sluggo, or any other that pops up…some of these people are on my forum…
“I thought I responded to this email but I can’t find my response so I
guess I didn’t. I haven’t been following or participating in anything
related to DB Cooper since DropZone got rid of the thread.”
Good to know, Shut. I’ll send them emails to verify.
I’ve spoken with “Guru” many times over the years. who ever is doing this fails to change there character. perhaps several here can get back to Cooper now…..
Confirmed. “Guru” and “SafecrackerPLF” are not legit. Their emails addresses are bogus.
It’s pretty simple, just ask them to send you a PM on the DZ…It’s a very simple test to pass if they claim to be from there…
Excuse me, but may I bring up an important point here? (*As the purging begins*) I have made multiple posts that actually have to DO with the Cooper case here. I would like to see a few by Shutter that do the same thing. Does he offer any updates to the case, address any points that have to do with Cooper directly? I have seen few, if any, with such content.
I keep seeing accusations of character assassination. These are completely bogus. If I were truly doing that, I would not have added the Cooper Forum to our list of Recommended Resources at Adventure Books, nor would I have brought sense and sensibility to the AB Forum. Or even edited a certain video (with some difficulty) so it was no longer negative.
Now I have not been to the Cooper Forum in a couple of months. Who is to say what is there right now with my name attached? Actions speak louder than words. A LOT louder, in fact.
An additional point…if phony accounts with bogus usernames cloning the online identities of known figures interested in the Cooper case are being used here…
Logic dictates…(to use a Spock reference)…
(Since there are few members at the AB Forum and all of them are known well to us…)
That a majority of the people engaging in such phony behavior…
Originate from the COOPER forum. Either current members, or users who have been banned by Shutter. Logic also says…why would anyone else even bother doing that, or have an interest in doing so?
What does this mean? Simple, my friends. It means that only people associated in some way, past or present, with Shutter’s forum would be motivated to come here and do that. There is no other logical conclusion.
I’ve seen some suggestions on ‘how to determine who is who’. Here is a BETTER way. Compare the IP addresses of current or former members of the Cooper Forum to the list of IP addresses associated with the comments to this article at WordPress. Shutter has a list in his Security Log of everyone’s IP address who has ever posted or registered there. Bruce has a list of the IP addresses of every person who has ever posted to this article. The ones Shutter has will identify people. The ones from Bruce, even though the commenter might try to disguise their identity, can easily be compared to the identifiable IP’s held by Shutter.
*This suggestion was provided by Greg the Techie Guy at Adventure Books of Seattle*
Robert, you don’t even see what you are doing now. YOU just really don’t get it, do you….now you are tossing more accusations towards me again. the problem with phony posters have been an issue for years here. nobody has accused you even though you have been known to use phony accounts so why don’t you either move on like you have said soooooooo many times, or start discussing Cooper. 95% Is about me in the comments made by you on this thread.,
I have a very good idea who it is, and they are not on my forum..no, I don’t believe it’s you either, or Nicky…you fail to see that you have an agenda that’s pointed DIRECTLY at me and the definitions I posted about you is FAR from bogus, even Bruce is in agreement. you just can’t keep your mouth shut about me, sound familiar? even after warnings you just keep going…
Warnings, Schmorenings…:) The word ‘purging’ was also one used by another political group who wanted to silence people. Logic dictated the suggestion provided by Greg. It wasn’t an accusation, it was a suggestion on how to solve the problem. If you know WHO the phony posters are, why don’t you just SAY so? You’ve complained about it often enough, right? Either you do know, or you don’t.
If you don’t, just compare the IP’s with Bruce’s log, as Greg suggested.
you claim you haven’t been to my forum in months, so what do you do to fix that, you send someone else in..that’s the samething Robert…then you think posting a link to my forum after 5 years of spewing BS fixes the problem as well, or removing Cooper from your own forum, seriously? you have jammed this thread up just like you did on the DZ then claim you are doing no wrong? “did I wake up in third grade” spewing negativity while complaining about negativity is counter productive, no?
It’s sounds like you need to move to China, or North Korea where the rules seem to fit you much better than here. they work with “watchdogs” to insure only what they believe in is shown or spoken.
Discuss Cooper with you in the mix? it took 50 comments just to get you to understand I didn’t have anything to do with what Nicky did. you made it appear different, so stop with the playing victim. “unwarranted and excessive criticism, exaggeration or manipulation of facts, the spreading of rumors and deliberate misinformation to present an untrue picture of the targeted person, raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumors, and manipulating information.” that’s Robert 101 whether you see it or not! “bogus” hardly sir!!!!!!
You have been warned multiple times for going off topic, or for personal attacks and yet here you are playing victim and STILL tossing accusations!
Don’t you think you’re a bit over the top here? As far as China and North Korea, I’m a big believer in the First Amendment. It’s the most important one, which is probably why they made it first. 🙂
do you ever go to sleep? I go to bed and you are posting, I wake up early in the morning and there you are. it’s past 4 am in Seattle right now..
No, Korea fits you well. they like to do a lot of things you do..you can’t even fully deny it by saying “a bit over the top”
Nothing will change until something is done about you..I keep telling Bruce it’s his forum but I’ve changed my mind after dealing with this for over a month. you even admitted you need to be banned in order to stop posting…I concur with your assessment….
once again you feel the need to use “exaggeration or manipulation of facts” with the phony posters..I said “I have a pretty good idea” who IT is (singular) and unlike you I don’t falsely accuse before all the facts are in, or feel it’s necessary to continue with multiple posts about it..I said what I know in a simple comment. I have contacted several names that were used here falsely to provide more proof of fake accounts. that’s how it’s done. I don’t need some code punching Google employee to tell me what needs to be done…none of this should be of your concern unless you are involved. should I CC you in our conversations, feel left out?
I have to go to work in the real world. I don’t have the time you do playing on the internet all hours of the night and obviously sleeping most of the day away..I average about 4-5 hours a night due to work loads. I just don’t have a lot of time lately. what I do suggest, and have been suggesting is that you move on from trying to use this forum as a vehicle to get back at me..when you look at other threads on this site, most of the phonies come out after you post..that doesn’t mean they are from you, just what you bring to the table!!!!
What do you propose ‘be done about me’? You want me banned. Sent to North Korea maybe? You were the one who complained about phony postings and accounts. I merely suggested an easy solution.
Sometimes when people work together, solutions happen. 🙂
You seem to speak for me often, so I’ll let you continue to run the board…perhaps you should get some rest first. being up all night over a little out dated thread is concerning..no, I don’t see a solution with you or working with you, ever!! something you fail to understand…
to answer the question, yes, after dealing with you and constantly refusing to understand what you do tells me you will not change. the only option is to remove the virus. I have given a definition that others seems to concur with that fits you, so I would say the writing is on the wall.
I’m not the one who posted my name time after time causing people to alert me of this, it was all done by YOU. a very clear pattern has formed here of your true agenda and it has nothing to do with DB Cooper. you mention my name over a hundred times, spewing false accusations using a block as a free pass to make it appear true? statements of viewing my forum regardless to any blocks implying Greg could penetrate the forum. then decide to use him or make statements of using him to do your dirty work to try and make yourself look squeaky clean. “I don’t even go there anymore”
You brought nothing but a bunch of whiny gossip here Robert. you always talk about truth and honor while walking all over this thread stomping all over Bruce with constant rants. the exact things you preach against. playing the victim is old, old news pal…FAKE NEWS!!!
Quote: You brought nothing but a bunch of whiny gossip here Robert. you always talk about truth and honor while walking all over this thread stomping all over Bruce with constant rants. the exact things you preach against. playing the victim is old, old news pal…FAKE NEWS!!! Unquote. That’s exactly what it is, it’s “fake news.” Blevins hopes that the reader will get fatigued and give up on dealing with this thread. The same tactics have flooded honest discussions of the cases that Nanette and I deal with. With the Cooper case, this tactic started to ramp up right after I started my own Cooper thread, it continued to do so at about the same rate until I started quoting things from the FBI FOIA files, then it took off again. What does that tell you? (ret)
Terry, I just received 62 more pages of files on McCoy from Tom Colbert if you are interested. I don’t know if you have ever been to my vault?
shutter45 says:
April 28, 2018 at 6:05 pm
Terry, I just received 62 more pages of files on McCoy from Tom Colbert if you are interested. I don’t know if you have ever been to my vault? :Unquote
Yes, I am interested in any and all McCoy files. If I was ever at your vault, it was briefly.(?) I’ll need the link. The little that I do know about McCoy, tells me that it was a smart jump and dumb crime. From what I’ve seen, evidence in the Cooper caper sends several different mixed messages. Like it was a smart jump, a smart drop zone, very smart with inside knowledge with the taunting mailings and probably a “faked” dumb element with the Tena bar evidence, the odd and low ransom demand in traceable currency etc. The clip-on tie materials speaks loudly, as you probably already realize. Thank you shutter45.
I don’t watch Faux News, let alone engage in it. There was only ONE accusation, and that was settled long ago. After that, I took certain steps to help bring peace to Cooperland. (‘Cooperland’ being defined as the known people participating in internet discussions on the case)
I agreed that there was a problem with people impersonating known names in Cooperland and posting here. A suggestion was made on how to identify these people, since it is likely at least some of them hang out at the Cooper Forum, or were members there before they were banned or something. Come on, it isn’t like they came from the AB Forum. Other that Darren the Interview Guy, we have few members.
Greg isn’t doing my ‘dirty work’. He’s just a friend who is concerned. You say this:
“I’m not the one who posted my name time after time causing people to alert me of this, it was all done by YOU. a very clear pattern has formed here of your true agenda and it has nothing to do with DB Cooper. you mention my name over a hundred times, spewing false accusations using a block as a free pass to make it appear true?…”
You are talking about what has already been settled. We had a website SHUT DOWN by a guy who sent us emails the same day claiming that not only did you PAY him (‘I was hired by Shutter’) to do that, but that he was planning to go even further. If the situation were reversed, and you found the Cooper Forum permanently gone because of that, I believe you would have been more upset than I was. Especially if you tried to verify this story with me, but I had blocked your email. However, this situation has been resolved, and I took your word on your explanation that Nicky was a renegade from your site that you had already banned. And that he acted on his own. Sure, okay.
Do you have any Cooper-related posts here? I think people would want to see that instead.
Shutter quote:
“what I do suggest, and have been suggesting is that you move on from trying to use this forum as a vehicle to get back at me..when you look at other threads on this site, most of the phonies come out after you post..that doesn’t mean they are from you, just what you bring to the table!!!!”
This is what I bring to the table – Updates on the movie, as much as I am allowed. Promoting the idea of meeting with Darren S. for his podcast. Letting people know we made certain changes to the AB Forum, as well as postings at Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, that are guaranteed non-negative, and non-hateful. Informing people that Skipp Porteous has died. Other stuff. I don’t speak for you, or claim to. You have a website to do that for you, right?
As far as the idea I would fit in well going to North Korea, I doubt that. I wrote a series of anti-NK articles for Newsvine. Unfortunately, Newsvine is no longer on the internet, but if you’re really interested I can send you the articles out of archives. You are talking to a US Army vet here, my friend.
After some thought, (and the fact that because this article now has over a thousand comments it is slow-loading) I have canceled my notification setting to this article. I think everyone needs to cool off a bit.
FYI: The reason I was up so late last night is because we had a lot of people over here until the late hours. Gayla’s birthday is today and she started celebrating a little early with a BBQ for friends. Most of them were WOMEN…so I decided to retreat to the office until they had all gone. Some of them never actually left until this morning. Gayla does not drink, but women can sure talk. And chatter. And laugh. Like forever and a day. I’m surprised the neighbors didn’t complain.
Now she’s out to lunch with another friend. When she returns, then maybe I will get MY turn and give her the gifts and cards.
Look…I will check in here in a couple of weeks and see if the place is a bit more positive, or contains any new info on Cooper. Until then, I will do a voluntary vacation. My plate is pretty full right now. Job, writing, movie junk, (yes) 280ZX to work on for resale, homeless film stuff, other matters. If you need me for anything, just email. I’m not hard to find. 🙂
Look…I will check in here in a couple of weeks and see if the place is a bit more positive..
Sure, like the last 5 times you said this only to return like nothing was said…how do you do all of the above while banging away at the keyboard till sunrise? more excuses, you were always banging away late in the morning even on the DZ.. spare the excuses…
I drive a hundred miles a day, work in the sun lifting heavy material , running boom lifts, climbing 3 stories of stairs 5-6 times a day…you have a day in the park son…that’s only a small portion of my day..8:39 pm and just getting home..you think you are the only one with a heavy workday or things to do?
Instead of using your forum you come here and post negative comments about me, plenty of them. epic amounts, world record amounts..you turned off my forum all the way back in 2014, 15, 16, 17, and now 2018…”I removed all shortcuts, links” etc. etc..again, fake news..the latest whine was the word “parasite” lol…
I hope you have learned something from all of this…doubtful though…
Well, I learned not to trust anyone banned from your website. 🙂
I had to come back for a moment, because my tribute article on Skipp Porteous is finished. You can see it here: https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/04/28/r-i-p-skipp-porteous-private-eye-freedom-writer-d-b-cooper-sleuth-and-friend/
Now I really AM on Cooper Vacation for a while. We will call it a pause for Skipp.
You were banned, so I guess we can’t trust ya..even though that’s a given. 🙂 at least you finally admit to it…
Terry, the files on McCoy are towards the bottom of the vault…
http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
shutter45 says:
April 29, 2018 at 7:41 am
Terry, the files on McCoy are towards the bottom of the vault…
http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
Thanks shutter. I just finished reading a few of the McCoy files and found it interesting that the reporting agent pointed out that McCoy didn’t smoke, but ate candy on the flight, and that he was from “Raleigh” North Carolina.
Most people would think that a such a comment was silly, but I can tell you that after studying the Zodiac killer cases and documents, Black Dahlia, OCCK, and the Ramsey case, and having read Mindhunter, I’ve learned that a hint such as that is something I’m not at all surprised to see. I know that such a notion sounds crazy, but there’s actually a concept known as “order out of chaos,” that organized serial killer’s are known for. It tells me that the agent involved in that report was probably schooled by a profiler.
There may be other uncanny evidence of linkage to both of these cases, meaning Cooper and McCoy….linkage that will seem tantalizing, but never be deemed conclusive. This same thing took place with suspect Arthur Leigh Allen in the Zodiac cases, much the same way that John Mark Karr seemed involved in the Ramsey case. However, the Tracey/Karr emails prove the presence of a second and rather screwy author posting messages from the Karr camp, someone other than Karr. It was a big task involved in determining this, because those emails are very redundant and somewhat sickening to read. Karr’s messages are tidy, properly punctuated etc, whereas the second author is sloppy. The second author made remarks that do not pertain to the young JMK, but did pertain to Jack Tarrance’s physical condition. Comments like: “Soon to be silent forever”, and an electrocardiogram, as well as quotes from Auden’s funeral poem. Tarrance was dying of heart disease and passed away in the fall of 2006. The evidence of the second author disappeared directly thereafter.
Robert, in your tribute to Mr. Skipp Porteous you state that you contacted Skipp about getting involved in the investigation into Kenneth Christianson. I’ve been told by someone at the Forum that it was Skipp who contacted you. Could you please set the record straight on exactly how you became involved (who really contacted who) and why Skipp agreed to let you commence with the book. Also, did Skipp pay for your services or did you pay Skipp for your involvement and did you publish the “Blast” book for a an up front fee, or for any cost to Skipp? Thanks for setting this records straight. btw, you wrote a nice memorial piece to your friend Skipp.
ps. why did you never meet him face to face???
Blevins made a comment on Skips website about doing a book. Sorry, but I answered that question for you since Blevins probably won’t be here for a couple of weeks.
Ok, thanks Parrot.
I believe parrot has confronted him on this matter many times over..I think Robert contacted Skip but tells everyone he was contacted…
I don’t see any “Big News” of the movie on Skipp’s page you would think that would be something to state while paying your respects. “Skipps work will be made into a movie and dedicated in his honor” one would think that all his friends would love to read about this?
December 12, 2010
Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous were the ones who originally suggested that KC may have been the hijacker, not I. It was Gray who published the famous article in New York Magazine, and Porteous who checked out KC and some of his friends for two years before he contacted me. I’ve just done the follow-up work.
March 12, 2012
Back at the start, when Skipp Porteous contacted me about a possible book..
October 13, 2013
The book is mostly an autobiography leading up to the day Skipp Porteous contacted me..
Parrot was the one to point out that Robert put himself into the picture with making first contact first. Robert left a gigabyte of inaccuracies on the DZ..
No, I will come out for a second and answer that…since it is about Skipp and he would probably want me to.
1) I was the one who approached Skipp. Article is accurate. It was more or less mutual, and at the same time. He contacted me back the same day and we were working together soon afterward.
2) Skipp and I wrote and produced the book together. So, no…Skipp never paid a dime for anything.
3) AB of Seattle ran up approximately $13,000 in expenses and lost book editing revenue doing the investigation. Skipp was not charged, and still got half the royalties.
4) AB of Seattle recouped their costs by about 2015, with booksales.
5) I never met Skipp in person because he lived in New York City, and I was in Seattle. He moved to Morro Bay, California for a while, and if he had stayed there long enough, I would have come down there for a week, but then he moved to Florida. That’s where he passed away.
5) If you have further questions, just contact me at adventurebooksofseattle AT G Mail Dot Com. That’s where I answer the twenty or so questions a week, on average, that come in from folks.
Shutter’s snarky comments: IGNORED. Wants me to stop discussing him, but never stops with the snarky stuff. He’s just jealous. 🙂
couple weeks come and gone 🙂
I have a different version of events, but I’ll keep it to my self for the time being..some already know, but you know how it is..some things are better off left alone for the moment.. 🙂
Shutter: Please stop with the half-truths, especially when everyone around this office, and Skipp’s family, are still in mourning. For chrissakes, they haven’t even had his funeral yet.
The reason I didn’t say anything publicly about the movie on Skipp’s page is because…as you are well aware…there is a confidentiality agreement in place between AB staff and the film studios. YOU KNOW THAT. You HAVE known that for a while now.
Skipp’s estate receives exactly the same terms from the film studios as we do. But AB of Seattle, according to contract, are the only ones authorized to make media deals. That is most common in the book publishing biz. And besides, if his family knew all the details, the agreement would have been violated a while ago. Same reason why Lyle’s family was not told all details. Too many people keeping the same secret would not work, although Lyle has refused offers of payment. However, Skipp and I voluntarily agreed to contribute a certain percentage from both our ends to Lyle, or if needed, his estate. I told him it was coming whether he wanted it or not.
See how well that plan works? Haven’t been able to find out a thing, have you? 🙂 There are a couple of trusted folks I gave details to privately, but certainly not through an online forum.
As far as ‘who was first’ to investigate Kenny, I’ve talked about that many times. Everyone knows Geoff Gray was first. That was obvious. His article was in October 2007. I contacted Skipp in late 2008, I believe. You are playing hopscotch games here. And I don’t want to hear, nor am I interested in the slightest, your opinions or guesses on the upcoming movie. I gave you and your members more chances to participate than you deserved. Everybody rejected everything I offered, so you have no cause to whine now, or even ask questions. It’s like that old saying: If you don’t vote, you can’t bitch about the results. 🙂 I’m surprised some of you didn’t say ‘yes,’ at least long enough to get a copy of the blank contract. Then you would know a lot more. But you didn’t, and looking back now…after all that has happened…I’m glad you decided to stay out of the whole thing.
“couple weeks come and gone..”
You can say what you wish, but here is the reality of things. Movie is coming, whether you like it or not, which will pretty much explain to the American public how we came to the conclusions we did.
You are not in possession of all the facts, but some of that is your fault. You wanted nothing to do with any of that. So you got what you wanted.
I came back only because you guys started attaching Skipp’s name to your posts, and I saw inaccuracies that needed to be addressed. And you didn’t even wait a day after I took a little mourning time for Skipp before you did a baiting post on me. (“Hope you learned something…” etc. which was really cheesy by the way.)
ATTENTION: To everyone reading this…if you have questions on the movie, or the case, or anything else related to that…do as everyone else does and use the email please.
adventurebooksofseattle@gmail.com
perhaps you should stop saying it’s going to happen and wait for them to give you the word..you are implying everything is a go so you blast it all over the place. why not where people would be glad to hear of this news. I think his friends would love to hear about it, no? you have no problem posting it here why not post the memorial link on his page? I don’t see anything wrong with that at all…..it’s a nice tribute…
Nobody is saying anything about what you recently wrote…it’s the past…
we were “bypassed” remember?
Your SITE was bypassed by the production company, Shutter. Not YOU GUYS personally. Reason, they said was…couldn’t use it for research because none of your links WORK for guests. Okay, okay. That’s how you want it there. No problem, but that’s what they said. Later, they asked ME to approach you guys on my own, because unless people agreed to come on board, they weren’t going to tell you who they are. Not initially. I told them it wouldn’t work if they made me the messenger boy, but they asked me to try anyway. They PDF’d me their standard contract for Bruce and Marty. They asked me to feel you out to see if your site (being the biggest on Cooper) wanted to participate somehow. I don’t know what they had in mind for that, exactly.
I already have ‘the word’. They are already trying to cast the picture, doing interviews, seeing people from the talent agencies.
Porteous’ family is well aware of what’s going on. I just couldn’t post it to Facebook, Twitter, our Forum, our main website. I emailed them about it. You guys are the only ones who refuse to do email. 99.9% of the questions I answer come via email, not people who think every phone call is supposed to be on the party line.
this is a discussion board..I realize yours is not, but when you come here or anywhere else that has a discussion board you can discuss things. you don’t come here to have people email you? you brings this here and then clam up..
again, Skipp was your friend. one would think you would post something on there pages. especially telling his friends that his legacy will live on through motion picture. I think everyone would agree on this. doesn’t matter if they knew..I can’t find a single post?
If I was partners with someone I wrote a book, or was a partner with anything and that person died. I would have a comment or two on sites controlled by the family. I would certainly and proudly state something about the movie..you can’t say “possibly” or “probably” if your not suppose to saying anything at all, then that’s your fault..
without going against there wishes (producers) you could say the very samething as you say here..how on earth would it be okay here and not anywhere else? you have it on your main website, wordpress, and forum..you kept saying we were bypassed on your forum..
The blank contracts provided by the production company offered (to Bruce and Marty) a one-time-only payment of $15,000 each. In exchange, they would be asked to review about 20-25 pages of the final script, the part having to do with Cooper between boarding and jumping. And…the company wanted permission to list both of them as co-producers and name their books. Yes, it was a generous payment for not much work. YES, I understand that. But I think they were looking to add Cooperland names to the credits, and were willing to pay for that. Now I have to do this review with just me and the main screenwriter. And I don’t even get any extra for doing it.
Note: I sent Bruce a message once asking if I could call him on the phone to discuss these terms. I figured the email thing wasn’t working. He would answer with one liners, or just say the production company should contact him privately. Well…I must have told Bruce a dozen times they wouldn’t do that unless he agreed to come on board. He didn’t even ask if there was a contract. I told him I wouldn’t call his house without his permission.
Well…he didn’t answer the email about the phone call anyway. You guys don’t understand how this all worked. Everyone had to be careful. I needed to see if Bruce and I were on the same page, i.e. whether he could be trusted, before I would allow him to see the contract…because it has all the details regarding the production company. I could never make him understand how it all worked, how confidentiality was important, and since I hadn’t seen him since 2012 Ariel, I needed to talk to him, sit down or phone. Finally, I just gave up. Not long afterward, the production company rescinded their offers. They were surprised at how it turned out, saying most people would have jumped on that deal real quick. Hell…if it was Bruce’s book, or story on Cooper they were doing, and I got an offer like that, I would have grabbed it.
“If I was partners with someone I wrote a book, or was a partner with anything and that person died. I would have a comment or two on sites controlled by the family. I would certainly and proudly state something about the movie..”
Yes, I understand. My tribute article about Porteous…it talks about the movie, how Skipp and I worked together, etc. The family was sent the link to the article, and it’s posted on Skipp’s Facebook page, went to Twitter, and I think to Skipp’s son’s Facebook page, too. So the family have all seen it. They made some nice comments about it on Facebook. On the exact stuff regarding the movie, I am working with a family member, Skipp’s executor, via email. It was a good balance between keeping the confidentiality agreement, and letting his family know what was going on. However, they’ve known about the film option contract for more than a year anyway, and the terms on it. I was obligated to inform them about it over a year ago, since Skipp…although he doesn’t make the media deals…was the co-author and receives his share, if and when they *finally* get around to production shooting first day.
Bruce has publicly stated no trust in you Robert, I concur and I believe Bruce wanted them to contact him…they didn’t so it’s a loss on there end…again…I’m sure you are not being honest about the entire thing when it comes to the producers..if they wanted someone bad enough they will get that person with or without you…plenty of other fish in the ocean, Galen, Tom Kaye, Gray, FBI agents (retired) 377. the list goes on and on..how about the agents you claim believe Kenny is a good suspect. that kind of money should get attention from them, you act as if the money should do it alone. Gray too busy for a quick $15,000?
maybe I’ll email him and see, after all you are stuck with it?
Saved them $30k and you get nothing?
That’s right, I get nothing for the additional work. Shutter, there is no dealing with someone who doesn’t even believe you if you tell them night is dark and day is light.
Two agents. Fred Gutt out of Seattle. Said some in the Seattle office thought Kenny was good for the hijacking, and some thought there were better suspects. Email AND phone call to my office. That was a few years back.
SA John Jarvis, who told three verified witnesses, all with security clearances and jobs with the Federal government, the REAL reason the FBI closed the case. There is a public WordPress article on it, names Jarvis, names the witness, even has Jarvis’ picture. Why don’t you ask Jarvis about it? Did you bother reading it? It’s here, in two parts, and the FBI is aware of it: https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/the-real-reason-the-f-b-i-closed-the-d-b-cooper-case/
The reason the company didn’t go with those people you mentioned (except Gray) was because the film is really Kenny’s life story, leading UP to the hijacking. I approached Gray on my own. He is out of the Cooper business, and probably doesn’t need the 15K or whatever they would have offered him in the end. He was made aware of at least a 15K offer, because I told him what they were offering Bruce and Marty. Have you seen his True Ink site? He’s the guy with the racehorse, pretty damn busy.
Bruce and trust? That decision was his. He made it. I’m okay with it.
Problem with you is that you have a built-in agenda, and much invested in that agenda. Everyone knows that. You think EVERYTHING I say publicly is a lie, which if you think about it, would be pretty foolish on my part. Why bother asking me questions if you believe every answer is baloney? On the one hand, you complain about ‘clamming up’. When I try to keep you informed as much as I can, you think it’s all a lie. There is no dealing with someone like that, and is a waste of both our time.
Can we have Cooper discussion here please?
I’ll email him just to make sure. we wouldn’t want to leave things open. no harm right? I’ll ask him why he said no. you are never okay with anything..that’s why we are here talking about all the things you are “okay” with. I’ll probably get the same answer like I do about the phony posters.
Gray was the first to bring up Kenny. naturally one would want to get him involved. Gray is busy so he gets a free pass. we say no and you blast it all over the place “bypassed” there loss, fools lost out on $15k etc. etc. you know Gray’s financial background? he had no problem with The Learning channel, probably got nothing for that…
I know some things that don’t add up to what you are saying. I told you I’m just going to wait and see how far things go..compiling, so to speak…just like Cooper with the bomb and only having to touch two wires, you might want to watch out because you could accidentally touch them together and…BOOM
Maybe you should email him, yes. I wouldn’t call it a loss necessarily for you. Everyone knows your site’s position on Kenny as the hijacker, and the film names Kenny as the hijacker. So your lack of support for such a film is understood. I suppose if I had invested so much in anti-Kenny, anti-RMB, I might even go the same route.
And it’s not the Learning channel. It’s TRAVEL Channel.
Robert what is your answer for Kenny being to short and bald. It’s a hard sell, just like age can be with other suspects.
Blevins, hold up just a couple of minutes before you answer this question. I gotta go make some popcorn. This is gonna be good…
Who makes popcorn anymore? Doesn’t everyone buy ready made in the bag?
Yes, and everyone knows you are obsessed with me, so the point is simple…I don’t believe Kenny is Cooper…that’s my right and I can broadcast it as much as I like..if others agree with me that’s an opinion they are also welcome to have…Learning channel, Travel channel..I always mix them up..I did that with Amanda…
I’d like to know Daniels question as well..how is it not okay for the age to change, especially, if they look older than they appear, but it’s okay to say a short pale bald guy did the hijacking?
I emailed Gray a little while ago..I don’t accuse people, I find answers first. you accuse and find answers after the fact..you think people are like you is what your problem seems to be…
Well, maybe you will have better luck with Gray than I did. I emailed him with the same basic proposal that was made to Bruce and Marty A. He did not reply to the email. However…he approved my membership to his site at True Ink, and I have made occasional postings there. If he answers you on why, etc. let me know. And yes…I still have a copy of the email in case you’re wondering.
I don’t know where you guys get some of this stuff, I swear? Not about Gray…but the other things. Shutter: No one is obsessed with you. There isn’t a single mention of you anywhere (or your site, or any of its members) at the AB Forum, the main AB of Seattle page, my personal Facebook page, our DB Cooper Facebook, no Twitter stuff, NOTHING. Hasn’t been anything at the AB Forum for months. So how do you figure obsessed? I don’t even GO to the Cooper Forum anymore. Last time was at least two months ago, haven’t been there since.
Greg IS monitoring your site occasionally. Yes, I will admit that. But frankly, he’s just making sure posts aren’t appearing there about AB of Seattle, Gayla, or myself…that violate your server’s Terms of Service. Same thing you do with us. I don’t see anything unfair about that. And since I have heard nothing from him lately on this, I will assume everything is okay there. If not, he will take action, just as you did with us at the AB Forum when you thought we were being unfair with you. The difference might be that we learned from our mistakes and stopped sniping at people unfairly. We are just holding YOU to the same standard as you did US. I think that’s fair, don’t you? And so far there doesn’t seem to be a problem.
As far as questions that have been asked about Kenny and the hijacking more times than I can count…and answered just as many times…download the PDF report on Kenny and Bernie, visit the WordPress articles. Everything released for the public is IN THEM.
“Okay…you want to play rough? Okay…okay..”.
(that’s a joke, folks)
It’s a bit late, but I’ll tell you what I will do. Some of you have questions, right? Fine. Post them here over the next couple of days. (REAL questions, not smart-ass ones.) And I will answer them via a YouTube video I’m creating this weekend. If you don’t vote (ask any legit questions) then you can’t bitch about the results of the video.
Some of the questions are already chosen from emails I have received. I actually have enough of those to do the video now. But I believe in equal time. If you post a question, please tell me if I am allowed to say your username in the answer, or if you just want a general question answered. In other words, whether I can say “This question comes from….” in the video. (your username, not your REAL name.)
I will not state usernames unless the person is identifiable in the real world. In other words, your username in posts here goes to a REAL person, such as ParrotHead Vol, Bruce, and Shutter’s go to. Anonymous questions will be considered, but I won’t credit where they came from, just that there IS a question.
Latest post to the AB Forum, under Quickie Updates:
‘May 1 – Since I get so many questions on the D.B. Cooper case lately, I’ve decided to answer the most common questions in a YouTube video. Coming soon to a channel near you…’
*The video clip below is not meant to endorse violence in any form. It’s just a fun scene from the famous movie.* 🙂
This is a public discussion board…it’s not a question and answer on You Tube..I doubt many viewers are actually here when you take away the fake posters. Bruce has pointed that out to me several times…it’s an old thread.
I don’t have time to think up a bunch of names to make it appear tons of people are contacting me. they ask the questions here, or on my forum..
I don’t see anything on Skipps page?
Just got off the phone with an ex member of the production team that was working on roberts movie and he has confirmed with out a shadow of a doubt that the film has been shelved…blevins knows this…..that is all folks!
I know you are trying to prove something Nicky but you need to back the statement up with some sort of evidence. I can make a post saying the same but doesn’t mean it’s true.
Greg is NOTHING to me..I don’t care what he reports to you, nor does it have any affect. you must be slipping because your name has been mentioned several times. trying to be the internet police is funny. you guys have nothing better to do other than whine about being discussed. this is the part I keep talking about being like China..the Government monitors what the people do..so yes, you should fit right into there agenda..this is something you accused me of many times over.
you call people lowlifes, and scumbag and spend the last 5 years complaining about being personally attacked..no, it’s not old news, or water under the bridge. when you really get mad you threaten bar associations, school boards, and law suits then quickly retract the statement. ” I wasn’t really going to do that” when you take internet arguments outside of the internet and try to ruin someone, or even threaten to do it is very cheap to say the least. you go on podcasts and speak for people saying they hate you, when it’s what you say they hate, or how you act!!! this not just coming from me..your own posters said the same in the past..”did I wake up in third grade, it’s just not cool” etc. etc. you complain about the exact same things you do. this is exactly what happened on the DZ with you in the picture…constant back and forth..you have been leaving since 2011. the obsession is so bad you can’t even take time off because you feel the need to reply to something said…so much for honoring Skipp..that’s why you were leaving this time, right?
I’m not “entitled” enough to stay up all hours of the night pounding away on the keyboard as you have done over the last 6-7 years, not just recently…I don’t have the time or effort to make video’s to whine about people, or make news articles about people..you seem to have hours and hours for this..it’s not a competition for me what so ever..I will not conform to your demands!
Geez. What demands? I was telling people if they had a specific question for the video they could post it here or email it to me for the video. As far as Greg goes, or your China Syndrome stuff, he’s on his own for that one. As long as your users aren’t posting up stuff with our names attached that violate your own server’s TOS, you have nothing to worry about. He would only contact me if he makes an official complaint. Since I haven’t heard a peep from him about doing that, everything must be okay.
to make a video with questions & answers usually implies someone doesn’t have the time to hangout on forums, or too busy for interviews etc. this is a forum where you ask a question, and then they answer it, especially if that person brought it to the board in the first place.
I don’t believe for a minute your hacker buddy has the time to defend your honor taking your place as the old “peeping Tom” .. I like “Google eye” better 🙂 perhaps he could be of better use making your website/forum look better than the generic versions you have.
I don’t care what you think, or what you believe the TOS is..that’s with the server, not me..How can I say it “we warned them about you and your hacker wannabe friend” you haven’t been “peeping” enough..I see the “Korean Conflict” in still on going..too bad you are on the other side 🙂
Hey Nicky, if you really know who the producers are. I suggest you send them this link so they can see the real Robert Blevins in action 🙂
Ok, Robert approached Skipp. Then that means that Robert had no reason to be involved in the DB Cooper case other than because he happened to live in the same general area as Christianson? LAME!!!
I’m still trying to find a post about Robert’s memorial page on Skipp’s Facebook. couldn’t find him on his friends list either..
Still wondering why the producers wouldn’t make contact with Gray..they have the ability to get a hold of him, I can assure you of that, busy or not! Gray is key to the Kenny saga. Tom Kaye is another when it comes to getting the facts they so desire at $15k a pop 🙂 who wouldn’t want to contact two guys who had access to the FBI files?
The producers sound a lot like……Robert
Quotes from Shutter, and some answers:
“to make a video with questions & answers usually implies someone doesn’t have the time to hangout on forums, or too busy for interviews etc. this is a forum where you ask a question, and then they answer it, especially if that person brought it to the board in the first place.”
Robert replies: You don’t ask questions because you are looking for answers, LOL. That’s why I don’t take you seriously.
“I don’t believe for a minute your hacker buddy has the time to defend your honor taking your place as the old “peeping Tom” .. I like “Google eye” better perhaps he could be of better use making your website/forum look better than the generic versions you have”.
Robert replies: Website works just fine. We like Lantern Lady. And it’s FREE. Greg is not a hacker. He’s a computer engineer with an advanced degree from the UW. We’ve been friends for 34 years. He’s been volunteering with AB for over a dozen years. And your overreactions tell me you’re worried about something. And if you’re engaging in slander or libel over there with our names attached, you WILL have a complaint mailed to your server. Not emailed. Registered mail to the responsible party. Just as we did with the WordPress thing. And if you get shut down due to your stubbornness, I will have not the slightest bit of sympathy for you. We’re just holding YOU to the same standards you held US to. That is plenty fair. Discussion with someone’s name is one thing. I have no problem with that. Personal and vindictive attacks using a website you own is quite another. Now so far, I have heard nothing bad from Greg, or that he sent in any report. So I will assume everything is just fine. There’s no use shouting at me about it. I turned all of this over to Greg, and I no longer visit your website.
“I’m still trying to find a post about Robert’s memorial page on Skipp’s Facebook. couldn’t find him on his friends list either…”
Robert replies: You probably didn’t look hard enough. There have been SCORES of comments to Skipp’s page, not just my post there. And you aren’t looking because you feel sympathy for Skipp’s family. You’re looking because you have a frankly base motive. You’re freaking out again. I can’t believe you are using his death as a talking point. No comment on that.
“Still wondering why the producers wouldn’t make contact with Gray..they have the ability to get a hold of him, I can assure you of that, busy or not! Gray is key to the Kenny saga…”
Robert replies: NOW you’re interested in the movie? NOW? After you rejected all offers previously? NOW you have opinions about it, even who should be consulted? People should listen to you now on such opinions? You must be kidding me, Shutter. When I approached you about it months ago, your email reply (you actually answered that one) started off with ‘screw you Blevins.’ And ‘I don’t give a f%$k about your movie.’ Your opinions on the upcoming picture mean absolutely zilch to anyone except maybe yourself, and a very small group of followers. You guys have a right to your opinions, that’s true. Does anyone care about them on the production staff? NO. Are the staff aware of your attitude regarding the picture? Of course they are. It’s been discussed a couple of times.
If you wanted IN, if you wanted your website to be an active participant, you waited too long and didn’t believe a single thing you were told about it.
PS: When the production companies make their announcement, and at some point they will…you and some of your friends can try contacting them with your ideas and opinions. But since they are already well-educated about you, I don’t think they will listen. 🙂 You’ve been discussed on Skype more than once. 🙂
means zilch, that’s why you bring it up all the time, and even then you lie about it..they “bypassed” those guys..no, we “bypassed” you..I can’t speak for Andrade…
interested, no, not for the reason you believe..just because I mention the failure to include key people who are known in the media world doesn’t make me “interested” in the film itself. you say your not interested in me and yet you have my name on here over a hundred times along with a Google hacker watching like J Edgar Hoover 🙂
I will discuss you anytime I wish Bobby..it could be a lot worse…people could call you a lowlife, or a scumbag, oops, look who I’m talking too, the guy who say those things. 🙂
You like to share links, could you provide the link to the memorial on Skipp’s page. I can’t find it…thanks
Now you are engaging in name-calling and insults galore. Since I was just the messenger to the offers from the production company, and not paying the fees or issuing the contracts officially…that means yes…you guys bypassed the offers. What I meant was that the production company bypassed your website, because they found it useless for Cooper research. Most ‘hard’ material, pictures, and all links are closed to the public. Water under the bridge, and it’s your corner of the internet, so fine.
Don’t bother saying ‘thanks’ when you don’t mean it. You’re just pissed off because we decided to hold you to the same standards as you did US. I’m not going to provide you any links to anything. A simple Facebook search and you found nothing? LOL…did you really think I would write a nice article like that and NOT post up the information for Skipp’s family? You’re kidding, right. I didn’t write for myself, I’ll tell you that. Can’t figure out how you missed it, unless you don’t understand how Facebook works. It’s like the second post down on my personal page. Article. Look at the ‘One Share’ button and see where it goes. 🙂
Johnny Greene says in part: “Ok, Robert approached Skipp. Then that means that Robert had no reason to be involved in the DB Cooper case other than because he happened to live in the same general area as Christianson? LAME!!!”
I offered to take a look at his manuscript and possibly publish his book. When I saw the ms, I suggested to Skipp that he needed additional interviews with the people who were closest to Kenny when he was alive. Since I lived in the same general area as these people, Skipp asked me if I would like to do the interviews. I said okay, even though I knew it would put AB of Seattle into a bit of a financial hole. (a majority of our income is derived from doing private book editing for outside authors, mostly on weekends, and I had to mostly give that up for a while)
I ran into a few leads on my own. I would drop names, Skipp would run the background checks for me. I kept going. I think the end result speaks for itself. Report to Seattle FBI, modestly successful book, motion picture offer, senior FBI agent confirming the truth for us after a baseball game in DC. Works for me. 🙂
Talkig about you doesn’t violate any TOS lmao..no freedom of speech China man?
I guess you’re not as internet hip as I thought, Shutter. Fine…copy the link below, stick it in your…address box on Google or whatever search engine you use…hit the arrow, or in Google, select Paste and Go. You really should have been able to find it on your own, not that you wanted it for any decent purpose, of course.
Hmm…maybe I’m not as hip as I thought either. 🙂
https://www.facebook.com/robertmblevins Just go there. First posting at the top. Hit the share button and look for yourself. Dated April 28. You wouldn’t believe me on anything if I told you sugar was sweet and lemons sour. 🙂
I gotta get out of this place for a while. Too much negativity going on, and some folk just aren’t using common sense. ENOUGH.
Why do I want to see it on your page? I asked for proof it was on Skipp’s page. why didn’t you post it yourself, you have no problem posting it everywhere else? you don’t have a single comment on either page?
How do you post a link to something that wasn’t there lol..I can find comments dating back months easily on Facebook. I would think just about everyone on his page would comment on it since you mention the movie being made. I’m sure the family would be proud to know and share this to all his friends. should of been pinned to the top, no? you post it here, no problem, and you post it on your own pages, no problem..you fail to post it on Skipp’s page, problem? after all, it’s a “historical fact” you would think the family would say something since it’s going to happen.
You never really know what the family might say, it could be something like “he notified me over a year ago” just sayin, of course 🙂
“common sense” is telling me a different story..now you want to run away, again…attempt at leaving TMN take 6…attempt # 5 was in honor of Skipp which you stepped all over by not leaving again..
‘I can find comments dating back months easily on Facebook…’
Sure you can. You couldn’t even find a share link at the top of my Facebook page. Scores of people are posting to Skipp’s page and Facebook is a fluid place. I had to direct you there. LOL….when you share to someone’s page at Facebook, and they are a friend, it appears there like hocus-pocus. Don’t blame me because you don’t know how to navigate Facebook. 🙂
I even had to do a comment to it, and post up the link a second time, so you’d know where to go.
Right there in plain sight. (“Hello…[hello]…is there anybody IN there…”)
https://www.facebook.com/robertmblevins
4 am and there your are lmao, more people in the house 🙂
(“Hello…[hello]…is there anybody IN there…”)
I said the link to Skipp’s page, not yours….HELLO
says link expired…go to bed dude..
Not expired, it says “The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you’re not in.” which means you need to be a friend to view it..when I logout it only shows your cover page…no timeline to read. that’s due to the way you set up the page…”privacy settings”
You have me blocked is what the problem seems to be…another thing you are against lol. I guess I can start a campaign saying I can’t defend myself… 🙂
Perhaps you could get Greg to show the “page” if anyone can find it, Greg can..then we could call him “Greg Page” 🙂
“Senior FBI agent confirming the truth for us after a baseball game in DC”….
Was that “Senior FBI Agent” involved in the Cooper case? If not, then I would put very little stock in what he said. If the FBI were going to sit on Coopers identity, it would not be common knowledge, even in the bureau. You think they just sent a memo to all of their agents saying, “Hey, we know who DB Cooper is, but since he’s dead, we just decided to let it remain unsolved to the public. PS Don’t say anything about this”….?
Bottom line is, if he wasn’t involved in the case, his opinion – and that’s exactly what this is, his opinion, does not mean jack shit. Besides, according to your article, he never mentioned Kenny by name. So, your sentence above should have read:
“Senior FBI agent, who never worked on the case and thus has no inside information on it, confirmed to us his opinion, which basically amounts to a wild guess and nothing more, after a baseball game in DC”.
That would be a far more accurate statement. But, we all know accuracy is way down on the list of priorities when it comes to Kenny Christiansen.
Have to agree fully with the Parrot.
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parrotheadvol says:
May 2, 2018 at 5:57 am
“Senior FBI agent confirming the truth for us after a baseball game in DC”….
Was that “Senior FBI Agent” involved in the Cooper case? If not, then I would put very little stock in what he said. If the FBI were going to sit on Coopers identity, it would not be common knowledge, even in the bureau. You think they just sent a memo to all of their agents saying, “Hey, we know who DB Cooper is, but since he’s dead, we just decided to let it remain unsolved to the public. PS Don’t say anything about this”….?
Bottom line is, if he wasn’t involved in the case, his opinion – and that’s exactly what this is, his opinion, does not mean jack shit. Besides, according to your article, he never mentioned Kenny by name. So, your sentence above should have read:
“Senior FBI agent, who never worked on the case and thus has no inside information on it, confirmed to us his opinion, which basically amounts to a wild guess and nothing more, after a baseball game in DC”.
That would be a far more accurate statement. But, we all know accuracy is way down on the list of priorities when it comes to Kenny Christiansen. Unquote.
I’m glad you posted this message, anything to offset the flow of nonsense from Blevins is appropriate. Noteworthy is the fact that Blevins used the word “peep” on a recent message he posted here. This tells me that he’s been reading my messages about the Ramsey case on my thread titled: ‘The brutal murder of JonBenet Ramsey and the Zodiac killer’, by TerryB. I’ve only ever started three threads, the one on the Cooper case is titled: ‘The DB Cooper caper and Zodiac Jack linked? ….Absolutely, say’s the sum of the evidence!’, also by TerryB. Using a alphabet to number chart, peep=165516, p=16, e=5. The cryptic sign off “Victory! S.B.t.C” represents a set of coordinates that clearly prove that the RN was composed long before the murder of JonBenet. In fact, it’s actually a rather rudimentary encryption. BTW, my use of the lower case t in S.B.t.C is to draw attention to the fact that some copies of the RN show the stem protruding through the cross bar. I think that the proof that the original had this detail, comes from the hint of a cross bar in the number 1 in the $100,000.00 ransom demand figure on the RN. It appears to be one of several hints that the girl is already dead by the time the note is found. Again, figurines on the Sky Marshalls envelope in the Cooper files, holds subtle proof of linkage to the Ramsey case.
Unlike Blevins, I’m honest to the point of a fault. Currently I don’t know everything about the Ramsey case and RN, but I’ve discovered a whole hell of a lot things that I can report honestly and objectively. With the help of the public, several other items of mystery on the Ramsey RN, her murder, and the Cooper caper, can still be discovered.
“Unlike Blevins, I’m honest to the point of a fault…”
Baloney. Assumes facts not in evidence. For more than fifteen years, I have worked a business where mostly high-profile families trust us with their homes, their alarm codes, sometimes their children, even their pets. Many happy customers, honesty references enmasse my friend.
You knoweth NOT what you speaketh. And frankly, you have a lot of nerve even saying such a thing.
You don’t believe Agent John Jarvis’ story? Why don’t you go to the source and ASK him, instead of accusing me of dishonesty. It isn’t like I didn’t give you the tools to do so.
https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/the-real-reason-the-f-b-i-closed-the-d-b-cooper-case/
Problem is, some of you have so much effort and so much invested in anti-RMB, anti-KC stuff, that you would do anything, say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to avoid facing the truth. 🙂 This is a personal problem, and no concern of mine.
Shutter: You ARE on my blocked list at Facebook. I had forgotten. I’m not removing it because no one else is that I know of, no one involved in the Cooper case, and they already found the truth by going to the Facebook link I posted back there. If you are REALLY interested in the article, you can still visit it at WordPress.
Blevins, right within your own messages you display deception over and over and on a regular basis. shutter calls you on your nonsense all the time, but it just slides right off of you. You are one of the dodgiest persons I’ve ever encountered. You kept playing up the Kenny movie deal and no one believed you, nor did they take you seriously.
Gee, and to think you have been whining for 5 years saying you were blocked for no reason..why was I blocked on Facebook? (crying ) I can’t defend myself….so, it’s okay once again for you to block someone for no reason at all..it’s not like I can post on your page…you block people for no reason, you call people lowlifes, you claim your name is mentioned “thousands” of times, and yet you splatter my name all over this board with false accusations to boot. that’s not all, you claim to be able to view my site regardless to what block is put in place, or “whatever it takes”
we decided to contact our server, again since we have some new names and wish to keep the record straight with all the negativity flying our way 🙂 they insured us that the server is very secure and thanked me for the heads up. we have a perfect payment record along with a very good relationship with them that’s been on going since 2014. they have all the information we provided to them so we will leave it at that for now 🙂
I believe Bruce tried to contact the people you claim made these accusations and never received any reply..since you have nothing to backup the claim either, it’s just a story..why would Jarvis tell anyone who would ask him, wouldn’t be much of a secret would it?
I have worked a business where mostly high-profile families trust us with their homes, their alarm codes, sometimes their children, even their pets.
Sure, and lot of people trusted Bernard Madoff, and Ted Bundy, so that’s a moot point. compulsive liars can lead a normal life just as anyone else can. A conman can pull the wool right over your head without knowing it. half of Hollywood is nothing but a bunch of Pedaphiles. they have really good jobs! serial killers lead normal lives and jobs, even trusted in homes, so you are not really telling us anything related to truth. it’s believed you are honest by that statement, but we know different. how professional would they think of you reading this thread?
I did work for the Broward Sheriff’s office 4 years ago. I was given access to there top secret area where they do work with electronics and things to the vehicles you have no idea about..so does that make me better than you? I just don’t feel the need to tell my life story online. you give play by play…I took care of the hurricane shutters for Dan Marino for years, pro golfers, I gave my old 280Z to an ex NBA player who was down on his luck back in the early 2000’s..I got to go on a dive on the UK Superb submarine back in the late 80’s. try getting clearance to do that here in the US. sailed right out of Port Everglades…I got a ton more but I don’t feel the need to impress people all the time..I’m just a “Simple Man” as they say…nothing more!
“we decided to contact our server, again since we have some new names and wish to keep the record straight with all the negativity flying our way. they insured us that the server is very secure and thanked me for the heads up. we have a perfect payment record along with a very good relationship with them that’s been on going since 2014. they have all the information we provided to them so we will leave it at that for now .
That’s great. I’m glad your server is secure, but that doesn’t interest anyone at AB in the slightest. What you were told was THIS: If you are using your own website, the one you are solely responsible for regarding content….as a platform to allow postings with my name, or AB, or anyone officially associated with AB…in a slanderous or libelous way. I will remind you one last time that this is what you asked of us at the AB Forum, and made your own complaint at least once, possibly twice. So how do you justify getting up on your high horse now when we ask the same thing?
If necessary, we will do an official complaint to your host and present evidence associated with that complaint. No one is planning to ‘hack’ you LOL. So far, my understanding is that there isn’t a problem. If there were, I would have heard from Greg by now. I will assume everything is fine.
As far as the evidence contained in the WordPress article on Troy Bentz and Agent Jarvis, it’s not my fault you can’t get a response. Try a registered letter perhaps. You’ll think of something. I wonder what you would do if you found out what Jarvis told those witnesses (not once, but twice) was TRUE. An apology? I doubt it.
Why should I bother explaining anything to you anyway? You don’t believe a word of anything I’ve presented. Fortunately, most people out there (not your group, who have everything to lose and nothing to gain if KC is proven as the hijacker) believe we’re onto something. Your opinions are slanted from the get-go, and so mean next to nothing. You wouldn’t believe me if I told you most new cars are primed before they are actually painted. 🙂
There’s no dealing with someone like you. On anything. You invested a literal TON of posts and comments trying to discredit everything that’s been made available about KC and Geestman. Maybe you wonder where you went wrong. “Why didn’t it work? Why couldn’t I squash everything and convince everyone Blevins is full of shit? How in the holy hell did some brainless producers pick HIM to do the first feature film on the Cooper case? I tried EVERYTHING!”
Yes you did. You pulled out all the stops, and none of it worked. WHY? I can answer this for you easily. Overkill. You went so far over the top with all of that, you actually helped convince people we might be right, or to take us seriously. I mean the public, or people who count. Not a few folks over at an internet forum on Cooper. And I never did it by hiding behind an internet identity. I went right out front. Yep, that’s me…Robert.
I suppose in a weird sort of twist, I should thank you. I would do that except for the name-calling. 🙂
lol, you are non stop….should call you Timex…I’ll remind you one more time..I don’t care what you think or say..if we feel like discussing you, then so be it..you want to go to court, bring it on..stop the threats of Libel..you have zero grounds…zero! it’s not a two way street because you decided to stop posting crap on your site, you just post it here instead..nothing changed, stop playing the victim.
you have put plenty false accusations here, but legally there is nothing that can be done, even with money. except for the name calling? this coming from someone who stated we are Sleezy lowlifes, or scumbags.. Greg Page can do what ever he wishes..send in more watch dogs. nothing will change, and they won’t have any links or pics to pass the time lol…
I never tried to contact Jarvis, it was Bruce..if he’s telling strangers than it’s not a big secret is it? who were they, guys he just met, or trusted? why would Seattle say different while Jarvis is telling everyone like it’s no biggie…Bruce got a fast response from them while we waited for your response that never came..Seattle says no, but Jarvis who was never on the case knows more than Seattle clear across the country…..where did the gossip stop, somewhere in Idaho before reaching the epic center of Cooper country? everyone you speak with never has a reason to lie? a very common pattern. people tell lies or stories for all kinds of reasons, but you never seem to run into them. you always find the Cleaver family..they all have perfect memories too lol.
Lol, Greg Page and Timex Blevins. Sounds like an old school wrestling tag team. When you think about it, that’s pretty appropriate. Wrestling is fake just like most of the crap that Timex Blevins puts out there.
It’s all so pointless and old..he lives for this stuff, I don’t..it’s just like the DZ all over again here..Cooper, who is that? this is the Blevins thread…where he preaches about ethics and how forums should be ran…now we can’t discuss Kenny lol..tons of comments. it’s not like I made news articles, or wordpress articles about Marla, or trying to discredit Tom Colbert since Kenny got seconds on a Cooper mini series. more of his guess work there lol remember he thought Perterson was Bernie, or Lyle. I can’t remember..he thought the whole thing was going to be about Kenny and couldn’t see how a new suspect would surface…kind of a “Jarvis” thingy” 🙂 he even blasted the producers trying to discredit them…he hates when a suspect gets national attention..but don’t you say a word about Kenny 🙂
The reason I asked the question, Robert, is because I wanted to know why you were interested in the DB Cooper case. You must have read Geoff Gray’s article in late 2007 and decided you had something to contribute? That’s why you contacted Skipp Porteous? Or, were you just trying to insert yourself into this particular case with no prior knowledge about it? And, why did you take such a strong position with Christianson’s brother Lyle when you never had met him previously to see what his motive was, or if he was even a truthful individual? Without knowing these things, most of us would just automatically assume that you were an opportunist with no valid evidence that Ken Christianson was DB Cooper.
I can’t figure you guys out sometimes. You talk as if this is 2012 or something. You are WAY behind regarding the case against Christiansen. You make comments and ask questions about articles, and it’s like you never actually read them. Let me know when you catch up. To assist you, I will make a couple of quick points:
The reason I came down hard on the production company, and especially the show on Rackstraw wasn’t because I was promoting Kenny and saw Rackstraw as a threat. It was because the show was ridiculous, poorly presented, and it turned out Rackstraw was 29 at the time of the crime and had BLUE eyes. Even Mucklow said he wasn’t Cooper, and all they did was say maybe she was too old. I wondered how the show even got off the ground. Some people, including Billy J, who were involved in that show, did not want to be associated with it afterward. The production company’s bookkeeper then tried to extort the company after he had already stolen a bunch from them. The whole thing was silly from start to end.
Shutter: Why do you keep saying we’re ‘taking you to court’. No one is planning to do that. Lawyers cost money and internet cases are foolish. How many times do you have to have it spelled out for you? If you use your website as a platform that allows posting of libelous or slanderous material regarding myself, or AB, or anyone AT AB…we will simply file an official complaint with your host. That’s all. Like I said twice before, I haven’t heard anything so I will assume everything is okay and you are not doing that. This action is nothing more than you have done to us at the AB Forum. I think you’re just pissed off about it. Just use common sense and I’m sure it will not come to that.
I think this discussion is going nowhere. A low point was reached when Shutter demanded I show him a link at Facebook ‘proving’ I shared the tribute article on Skipp to Skipp’s Facebook page.
Really, guys? 🙂
I don’t think I want to dedicate any more time to this. You aren’t looking for answers. You’re in attack dog mode. There’s a difference.
Let me ask you this…don’t you think Tina has seen Kenny on a program or two? did you see all the photo’s on the table in front of Tina with known suspects? I believe Mitchell also said no. 2012 is close to the time I joined the DZ. it was later that we started looking into Kenny and took away a lot of your top 10 list…now you state things that can’t be verified…
Rackstraw looks a lot older than 29, so does McCoy..why is the age written in stone while the other parts of the description are not? Tina stood next to Cooper…it’s hard to go against this statement when she had to look up at Cooper..this would not happen with Kenny, period. that’s a very hard hurdle to get over..people can tell you things till the cows come home. it might sound very convincing, but the bottom line is he fails in so many ways with the description by only matching being male. as you blast the age thing you have much tougher hurdles. you seem to laugh off the idea that he couldn’t be younger…I agree, but only if he looks in his 20’s.
nothing against you but these witnesses for suspects have amazing memory..the real witnesses memories are fading out as time passes, and they were there!!!
Then you stated for years that the FBI failed to look at employee’s when it’s mentioned several times in the 302’s. you try really hard to make appear that Kenny was nothing but a ghost during the decades he worked there, and according to you hated every second? it would of been so easy for him to switch airlines if things were that bad. lots of people don’t like there jobs and speak out about it..I don’t know of many that will hijack a plane for revenge. today, it’s a different story..they will just shoot the place up, end of story..if he blended in, why does he fear company events as you claim? that’s you once again thinking for someone else. Kenny was short, bald and pale. who would see him walking into a room a go, “there is, it DB Cooper”
Lets not forget what you said on the podcast..Cooper being scared to go to the cockpit in fear of being noticed..that’s insane if you believe that..odds are better the stews would ID him quicker, they work with him, spend lots more time with him..you really believe Tina being less than a foot away couldn’t see a obvious wig onto of his head? you can spot them today..the 70’s was a joke wearing them..he needs Hollywood to pull off that stunt.
Cooper’s biggest fear in the plane was three men in the cockpit..that’s what he was fearing, being taken over..didn’t want them near him, don’t blame him…
Agent Carr
-He had dark hair, receding with sideburns (no wig, this would have been painfully obvious, if a man was wearing a wig with a receding hair line and side burns everyone would have noticed, especially Mucklow and Schaffner.)
These are the facts on his physical make-up, if your suspect does not match these you may want to start looking at someone else.
-He is 5’10 to 6’1 (Mucklow is 5’8 and spent 5 hours with Cooper, she would know if he was her height or taller. Have someone 5’8 stand next to someone 6 feet, the difference is obvious. Better yet, position yourself at a level of 5’8 and look at someone at a 6′ elevation. Now spend 5 hours with that person, you’ll know the difference. No one put Cooper under 5’10.
No matter how much someone wants to put DB Cooper’s height at 5’8″ will never change the fact he was reported to be 6′. You can certainly say it’s so but you have to have articulable fact to support the dismissal of the witnesses credibility. But if you discredit the witness on one piece of her statement you may have to discredit all, you can’t have it both ways.
The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can’t throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.
The physical description is a composite based on the testimony of eyewitnesses. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. People have been EXECUTED based on erroneous identifications in a lineup. That is a historical fact. The Green River Killer (Gary Ridgway) was interviewed, and a swab sample taken from him…at the HQ of the Green River Task Force. The composite was right there on the wall. None of the detectives, either then or later, associated Ridgway with their own poster. And as it turned out, Ridgway was shorter than the descriptions given by witnesses anyway, even though some of them actually saw him from fairly close up in the Des Moines (WA) incident where one of them actually followed him back toward his home. The police interviewed him but took no action. He was finally arrested years later when that old swab (done pre-DNA) was finally run and matched to at least two of the victims.
On the other hand, if Kenny were six feet tall, I would not rely on that too heavily as evidence, although it would be a factor. You have to have more than that. This is why relying strictly on eyewitness testimony and descriptions noted during a very stressful period is also unreliable.
As far as the memories of witnesses, there are two factors that happened during the KC investigation. The first is using a CONTEXT when questioning these witnesses. You are not asking them to remember what they had for lunch 88 days ago. You ask them about their memories around the time of the DB Cooper hijacking, which everybody over a certain age who lives in Washington remembers easily. It’s like asking them where they were and what they were doing, and what they remember when Mt. St Helens exploded, or 9-11, or when Challenger blew up, the first Space Shuttle to do that. This method works especially well when you are questioning them about people they already know. Most people I spoke with had no problem remembering. When Geestman’s niece watched the Decoded show, that’s when she told her family about the incident shortly before the hijacking in the shed out back of Geestman’s house. I spoke to her in person for hours, and I have no doubt she is telling the truth.
The investigation into Kenny Christiansen, Margie Geestman, and Bernie Geestman is now complete. The results are IN. A lot of it you know. Some has to wait for the movie, per the confidentiality agreement with the studios. I probably couldn’t stop it now even if I wanted to, and I don’t WANT to. I will leave it to the public to judge for themselves. When some people (I won’t name names) answer all that simply by calling me a liar, I just point them to the WordPress articles, the report that was sent to the FBI, the YouTube videos, and other things. It’s all there.
AB’s investigation into Christiansen and company is now basically closed. I get one last interview with the Geestman family, which goes on video, but that’s really it. My part is done, and after nine years…it’s about effen time.
I think this discussion is going nowhere. A low point was reached when Shutter demanded I show him a link at Facebook ‘proving’ I shared the tribute article on Skipp to Skipp’s Facebook page.
Cry me a river pal..you blocked me so I couldn’t see anything, so naturally I’m going to ask for answers until I get one..then you try and make it appear that I don’t know what I’m doing while once again it’s all your fault for blocking out of spite..everything is erased when you are blocked. I don’t think I’ve even seen your page, maybe back in the DZ days…I’m not on Facebook much..another place loaded with phonies..that’s were you should be telling all your adventures and daily activities..people even tell ya when they go to the bathroom…it’s the perfect place to exploit one’s self..
I hope we don’t have to use the old “I’m leaving routine” take seven…(clap)
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Correct, most crimes last seconds and the witness doesn’t have much time to get a good look. you keep using the Green river murder..you would be a little disoriented while someone is trying to actually KILL you, not threaten to kill you..a huge percentage of that statistic doesn’t include witnesses you were with the suspect for hours at a time..how good of a description will you get seeing a man shoot someone and run away, not very good, correct..now, lets put you in the store being held hostage for 5 hours, no gun to your head, just sitting there while he looks out the window and walks around..you going to tell me it will be no better than seeing the gunman run out of the store for a split second?
Now, Mr. Green River..you want to talk about scientific data about memory fading over each year passing while we try a strip the description away to fit almost anyone? If Cooper can be 5′ 8, he can possibly be 5′ 6 as well..so, we now have Cooper at 5′ 6 all the way up to about 6′ 5..they can be off on the high as much as the low, right? can we change the weight? can he be female? does the sketch need to be change to look like Mr. Potato head?
If Cooper is pegged at mid 40’s can’t we change that to early 30’s possibly late 20’s? or do we just do away with the pesky in the way thing?
“eyewitness testimony and descriptions noted during a very stressful period is also unreliable.” but you use it against Rackstraw? seems like you are doing what Carr stated, “you can’t have it both ways” the description is spot on while talking about Rackstraw, but seriously flawed during the Kenny saga? see a problem anywhere?
Oh, welcome back 🙂
“Cry me a river pal..you blocked me so I couldn’t see anything, so naturally I’m going to ask for answers until I get one..then you try and make it appear that I don’t know what I’m doing while once again it’s all your fault for blocking out of spite..everything is erased when you are blocked..”
That’s a bit funny coming from the guy who actually PRE-banned me from his new and upcoming website…BEFORE it was actually launched.
Truth is, I didn’t remember I had blocked you at Facebook. Must have been done a long time ago. I usually only do that with spammers. And if you REALLY wanted questions answered…you would block websites and emails from the guy whose answers you desire. 🙂 I don’t care about the site ban. I no longer visit there anyway. I would unblock you at Facebook, but I don’t trust you with my friends’ list. Besides, I hardly ever do Cooper there. Most of that goes to my DB Cooper Facebook page, and that’s public.
“you would block NOT websites and emails from the guy whose answers you desire.”
Site ban is just fine with me now. If you have questions I might not be willing to answer publicly, you are NOT blocked from the AB Gmail address.
We have a basic problem here. I can’t figure out what it is exactly you WANT from me. Really, I can’t.
Are you trying to convince me that I should believe KC is NOT the hijacker? A little late for that.
Are you asking me questions in an effort to convince OTHERS that KC was not the hijacker? I can see that approach, and everyone has a right to their opinion regarding him as a suspect. Good luck with it, I guess. Just don’t expect me to go along. AB is totally committed to the movie now, and even the production companies agree we should not only USE the Bentz testimony, but name Agent Jarvis in the film. They are THAT confident in its validity. That’s encouraging.
Would you like it if everything at Facebook, YouTube, the AB Forum, the DB Cooper Info page at the main AB site…suddenly vanished and no one here says a word publicly further about it? Maybe I could do that for you, (I’m not, of course) but it wouldn’t change a thing.
I got some updates from the production companies yesterday. Movie is coming…for SURE…just a question of when, but shouldn’t be too much longer before they make an announcement. How much longer exactly I can’t say. You’ll know when we know. Everyone is waiting, and we have much to gain when they finally start shooting. So we want to know as much as you do. Perhaps you dread it. We look forward to it.
There’s nothing I can do that could possibly satisfy you. The investigation has gone too far now, and everyone involved is committed to presenting Kenny’s story to the public. It’s coming, whether you, or even me…like it or not. Best bet is to watch the end result and decide on its merits then.
That’s what everyone else will do.
It’s not the point of REALLY wanting answers..you are here, so I’m asking..being blocked on my forum has nothing to do with that..you were “pre-banned” for this reason right here..you tie up threads. plus the stunt you pulled got you banned..the the back and forth with emails…gone..out of spite you found a loophole through the website message system..gone..it happens for a reason…you blocked me out of spite..you have no other reason…I went through this on the DZ, seen the end coming, so I took a chance and opened a forum..yes, I said you would not be welcome..that’s my right..now, you come here and constantly post my name, so naturally, I show up..a thousand posts later and you are still the victim, still crying about my right to not have you on my forum..you do everything you preach against and still try to play off the victim..if you were “pre-banned” you couldn’t join under a false name..the IP would have been blocked..you keep saying it was a shock, but several of us had a feeling who you were..since 2014 you have been using proxies, and VPN’s to get around the block. you just tried to accuse me of sending someone to sneak around your forum, but it’s okay for you to do it? I have better things to do that worry about your closed forum Robert..I keep telling you, not everyone is like you…that’s your biggest fear..yourself and the things you do…I don’t hate you, I hate the things you do..you twist that around to make it appear different…another well known pattern..
Robert, I’m really tired of this…in case you didn’t know, this is a DB Cooper board..you discuss DB Cooper..Kenny falls into that category. you bring him up often then shut down when questions arise. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m stating what I know. lots of people don’t believe the story, and lots of people believe it..it’s not a competition for me. I can’t change the world, nor can I make everyone go against you..however, it seems like you often try this approach against me. the proof is above all through this thread. if you don’t see that, you have a serious problem sir..I don’t go to other forums talking about you, or write articles and comments on Facebook, twitter etc. I won’t claim I don’t toss you under the bus once in a while, but you have a fleet of them 10 miles long dude…5 years you have been at this..you could wear out a stalker, or the worst troll doesn’t last this long. your leaving, you come right back, you close the forum, you open the forum, you close the forum, you open the forum. you don’t view my forum, you view my forum, you removed the links, you provide the links…it goes on and on endlessly…I’m done with Cooper, I post on a Cooper thread, again, see a pattern….anywhere?
What do I want from you, nothing really..
“It’s not the point of REALLY wanting answers..you are here, so I’m asking…”
You ask questions but don’t want answers? Well, that made a whole lot of sense. Or probably not. Then why waste your time asking. I get enough REAL questions through other venues. You can ask whatever you wish. Doesn’t mean I have to answer. Hard to take someone seriously when they aren’t doing REAL inquiries, and have an agenda to boot. I blocked you from my Facebook page not out of spite, but because I didn’t trust you with my friends’ list. But I will tell you what I will do. I will remove the block, but make my friends list non-visible to guests. I will do this tomorrow. And if you say ‘I don’t care,’ I will leave the block in place. So, should I unblock you? And if so, why?
The AB Forum isn’t ‘closed’. It’s completely open to all guests, and guests can see everything that’s posted, all links, all pictures, all threads. They just can’t post up anything themselves unless they register. It’s no big deal.
Nobody is ‘sneaking’ around your forum. That’s like saying I sent someone to ‘sneak’ around History Channel. Your site, with some exceptions, is open to the public last time I heard. Or do you consider every public visit a ‘sneak’?
All I want is equal time. You came after us when I went a bit too far on certain posts at the AB Forum. On one of them, the one where I posted up someone’s phone number, yes…I went too far. So maybe you did us a favor and now we’ve cleaned up our act there. However…fair is fair, tit for tat, quid pro quo, etc. Your site is being monitored to ensure that discussions with my name, AB, or other things we are involved with…does not move from typical internet discussion into the realm of slander and libel. As long as it doesn’t, then fine. If it does, a complaint will be mailed. So far, I haven’t heard there’s any problem, so I’m not worrying about it.
Robert, please answer the question about Lyle Christianson, please.
That’s a cop out. you can hide your friends list. just like on You Tube, or forums. I believe I have mine set up that way..only members can see them. I was on Facebook years ago doing political battles. they were contacting my friends with nasty comments so I blocked view from the public..
I didn’t say I didn’t want answers..you are here so I ask them, you always refuse, or start to, so I won’t lose any sleep either way..it’s your right to block, I’m not going to go all over the internet whining… I don’t stoop to contacting people friends to try and convince them of anything..if you are that worried, perhaps you need better friends. my friends knew something was wrong…zero damage..
Come on, Shutter…why would you want to view my Facebook anyway? Until recently, your block didn’t even matter. I used to make it Friends Only all the way. I only recently made it public, last couple of months I think. Mostly just banter with friends and family, no Cooper stuff except a recent post about Skipp Porteous. Some posts about the 280Z I’m working on. Pretty boring stuff that wouldn’t interest you anyway.
All posts regarding Cooper are done either at the AB of Seattle FB page, or the DB Cooper FB page anyway…and those are open to anyone. Visit and post there anytime you like. Just remember I admin those pages and will remove anything that even resembles a personal attack. But positive comments and postings are no problem. Same with the AB Forum. No attacks on ANYONE are allowed. Not you, your site, anybody. Otherwise that person gets banned like yesterday. Over at YOUR place, you issued your famous ‘Final Notice’ after your own members’ anti-RMB comments started descending into outright lies and name-calling, and you couldn’t control your own members. I don’t know what’s going on there NOW, but you’ve been warned on the slanderous/libelous stuff.
Johnnie Greene asks some questions:
“The reason I asked the question, Robert, is because I wanted to know why you were interested in the DB Cooper case. You must have read Geoff Gray’s article in late 2007 and decided you had something to contribute? That’s why you contacted Skipp Porteous?”
Robert says: At first, I wasn’t really interested in the Cooper case. I approached Skipp with a proposal to possibly publish his book. I asked him to send me the manuscript and I would have a look. It was strictly a publishing decision. It is true that I found it interesting that Christiansen was living in my home town of Sumner, WA at the time of the hijacking. I even knew where the apartment complex was where he lived. I thought it would be a good local-based book for us, or maybe Skipp would hire us (as other writers sometimes do) to edit and set up his manuscript for submission to mainstream publishers.
“Or, were you just trying to insert yourself into this particular case with no prior knowledge about it?”
Robert says: I answered that question in the first bit there. No, I was not trying to insert myself into the case. In fact, it was Skipp who actually recruited me to assist him, but that was later, after I read the manuscript and commented to him about it. (‘You need interviews with the people this Christiansen fellow knew best…’)
“And, why did you take such a strong position with Christianson’s brother Lyle when you never had met him previously to see what his motive was, or if he was even a truthful individual?”
Robert says: My position on Lyle Christiansen has always been the same. He never knew for sure if his brother was DB Cooper, and without that knowledge, all he could do for us in the investigation was to submit letters, photographs, etc. Since he had no idea whether Kenny was actually Cooper, his opinion on that is moot. However, he was most helpful on other things. Like the letters, pictures, etc and filling us on much better with a timeline on Kenny’s life. I was able to create a pretty accurate timeline of Kenny’s work and movements from before he joined the Army, right up to his death in 1994. There were a few blanks spots, but not many of them.
“Without knowing these things, most of us would just automatically assume that you were an opportunist with no valid evidence that Ken Christianson was DB Cooper.”
Robert says: I suppose some people would assume that. But here we are today. Report is a free download at the main AB site. It’s been downloaded more times than I can count. The extensive list of WordPress articles, with illustrations and pictures covering many aspects of the investigation, are available. For those who don’t want to wade through all that, there are the YouTube videos and the interviews.
To ParrotHead Vol: Regarding Agent Jarvis and the Bentz evidence: What makes you think that shop talk doesn’t exist at the FBI. Why would a senior FBI agent working out of Quantico tell witnesses what he did regarding the real closure of the Cooper case? Are you going to accuse him of lying? He said it in front of three confirmed witnesses, not once but TWICE. I imagine the closure of such a famous case at the FBI was the subject of much talk and discussion at Quantico. And this incident happened about a month after the closure. If you think the story is baloney, and Agent Jarvis was just pulling his friends’ string, this seems extremely unlikely. In any event, we’re going with this story as part of the movie. If it isn’t true, the FBI will step in and stop it. If it IS true…they will probably have to admit Jarvis was correct and the FBI found out Kenny was Cooper.
On a side note, we’re starting to think that the FBI may have, after all, at least done a cursory inspection based on the June 2015 report on Christiansen. It’s been a public download for going on three years now. Not once have they commented to me about it, and not once have they asked me to remove the Bentz article, which not only NAMES Jarvis, but contains his official FBI photo in the article.
Update on James Edward Klansnic and The Tina Bar money….my research has led me to a close friend of Jim’s by the name of Bruce Buls. Well Bruce is a resident of whibdey island, washington, boat builder and retired editor workboat mag….he also worked for oddly enough seattle P.I. back in the day as well as a local seattle DJ. I believe Tom Kayes initial hypothesis for how the 3 bundles ended up on tina bar was correct it did he caught up on of these tugboats and then spit out down the columbia river to t-bar but those bundles did not fall from the sky on that faithful night no sir they were dropped of a tugboat on the columbia by Bruce Buls!in late 79. This will all be coming out in my book next winter and I will be giving more details on my podcast episode with Darren, stay tuned folks!
Sorry Nicky, but Jarvis will shoot you down on this one 🙂
As far as the Jarvis evidence, maybe you should consider this: Ask yourself who would actually make the call to close the Cooper case? Do you think it was decided by the Seattle branch? By the agent in charge there?
If not, then who actually made the decision? And where do they usually work? We’re talking about a high-profile, world-recognized case, one that the FBI spent countless hours, money, and manpower trying to solve. They leave other cases open, yet suddenly decide to close Cooper.
The REAL question, the only relevant one, is who made the call to finally close the case. You have to believe it came out of FBI HQ in DC. Quantico, their main research and training center, is just up the road about 35 miles. Jarvis works there in Behavioral Profiling and is a 17-year vet of the FBI. Prior to that, he worked murder cases. This is not a person given to frivolous statements, even to his friends, which if such statements were not true…makes this agent a liar. I choose to believe he is a solid individual with a good track record. He just didn’t count on Bentz and his friends, three guys with security clearances with the US government, spilling the beans and providing us with everything but the kitchen sink to back his story.
And then he sent us the sink.
You’re reading this post now, and it should tell you one important thing about me. No matter what you hear from certain folk, I give it to people straight as possible. Not that I haven’t made mistakes, or been human sometimes. But when the stakes are high, and people want the REAL deal, I do the best I can. And I am not afraid to put my name behind it.
The final decision to close a 45 year old case like Cooper does not come from the branch mostly assigned to solve it. (Seattle office) That decision comes from the top, and works its way down. There are Cooper sleuths, Cooper fans, (of a sort…they’re LEO after all), within the FBI…and since the FBI was the agency charged with Cooper’s capture for all those years…all that futility…and then finally the closure…there is no doubt in my mind that agents discussed the whole thing over water coolers at the office. The actual REASON for the closure, if it existed as Jarvis said, would have come out very quickly and some agents would have known the truth. A guy like Jarvis, with long years at the Bureau in a prestigious job for this country, was one of those agents.
Some of you guys just aren’t being realistic here. I will continue to make this evidence public until something gives. And trust me….something WILL. 🙂
You are waisting your time Robert klansic was cooper he beats Kenny by a country mile….
Nicky says in part: “This will all be coming out in my book next winter…”
Well, that’s cool. I would buy it just to see what you have to say. If you’re talking about a book, you might want to link your Nicky username to something real on the internet. It doesn’t go anywhere, and that can make your credibility suffer. When people post stuff, especially controversial stuff, the public wants to see the source. Otherwise, you could be taken with a grain of salt.
I would still buy the book, though. 🙂
stop putting words in my mouth Robert..I never said I wanted to view your Facebook page..I told you the reason you gave was a cop out! if you can’t understand what people say I can clearly see how you switch things around.
Here is what you do…you claim Jarvis will tell anyone this, right. so you give the best way to contact him to verify this. Bruce has been trying to get answers so you give the information to him. you can’t always rely on a persons background Robert. you do this all the time. anyone can lie, regardless of the background…you want to prove this, so you forget what you think about Bruce and get to it…or you worried it will come out different than you claim, why hide this if it’s coming out on the big screen? each time we elect a person to run this country lies start popping out.
did the witnesses ever state the FBI was snooping around asking questions. they came to this conclusion out of thin air? what would lead them to believe Kenny was Cooper. Tom Colbert thinks they closed it because they believe Rackstraw was Cooper..Jarvis have the answer for that? D.C. doesn’t just come to conclusions for the hell of it..they would have to have hard enough evidence to make these statements, so they would have to talk to people, not just agents.
surely you don’t believe they got all of Kenny’s information from you? you always say they probably never read the PDF to allow the mystery to continue. nobody seems to believe that after 40 plus years and thousands of dead ends and suspects time and money that the FBI had enough. nope, people want to speak for the FBI and tell the world exactly why they closed the case?
Robert, Curtis Eng told Marla back in 2011 that HE was closing the Cooper case. Once they were unable to prove that LD was Cooper, he did just that. Your beliefs otherwise are nothing more than wishful thinking. The email that Bruce got from Ann Whatshername at the FBI confirmed the same thing. Once it was apparent that they couldn’t prove it to be LD, they said the hell with it. It’s completely asinine and idiotic to think that they would know the identity of Cooper and not reveal it.
Yeah, you think they were digging around on Kenny this whole time, thanks to your report that had nothing of substance in it (Yes, I read it). Confidence is high, lol.
while he believes we only want to discredit is another error in judgement. I just posted three accounts that are public knowledge and they all conflict with each other..they all have good solid backgrounds as well. this should give credibility to it’s highest standard, beyond a shadow of doubt, the Holy Grail, a hail Mary. if people don’t believe the three examples I gave, we can toss in the old “either it’s true, or it’s not true. one way or the other the truth will come out”
Lets not forget about the agents in Utah who strongly believe Cooper was McCoy. these are retired Federal agents going PUBLIC and writing a book as proof..they didn’t just tell a couple people over lunch..how about there backgrounds, any room for lies, or possibly being wrong, or inaccurate in statements? I guess they can’t due to a strong background, right?
How about Gene Bland, he has a very impressive background. he says tracks were found leading to a vehicle in Oregon, and claims to have been on the plane shortly after it landed. read his resume, he has no reason to lie..a lot of top secret security badge wearing stuff he does? it’s right on his resume…no different than statements made by Jarvis, no?
Loren Peterson worked for NWO and claims all sorts of things about the night of the hijacking..he even states he counted the money. we have no reason not to believe him, right. he was there, he worked for Northwest? I think (not sure at the moment) he claimed it was 250 grand given to Cooper..he says he was in the hanger with the FBI listening to the whole thing on the radio..do we make a movie and use this? he has a good background, must be true?
“Robert, Curtis Eng told Marla back in 2011 that HE was closing the Cooper case. Once they were unable to prove that LD was Cooper, he did just that…”
Are you kidding me? That was four years prior to the closure. Eng told her no such thing. You forget something. I interviewed Marla in my Ten Questions format. Nothing she said made a bit of sense or resembled the truth in any way.
I CHECKED with the Seattle FBI. There was absolutely NO plan in place in 2011, 12, 13, OR 14 to close the Cooper case. You guys have been pushing the same old stuff for so long, and ignoring REAL evidence (like the Bentz testimony) that you are beginning to believe it.
I didn’t just ‘give’ any information regarding Bentz and Jarvis to Bruce. You guys aren’t keeping up. That article was publicly available for months before Bruce asked me about it. Or possibly I sent him to the article on my own. I can’t remember for sure…but the article was out there for a good while before he ever tried contacting Jarvis and Bentz. It’s not MY fault he couldn’t get through to them. That information, without Bentz’ last name, but WITH Jarvis identified, has been available for maybe a year and a half. I finally updated with Bentz’ last name after keeping it secret for a year, which I agreed to do. His story was heavily documented by AB staff. There is no getting around it, explaining it, or bullshitting about it. It exists. It is THERE. It names names and gives extensive details. Even the production companies checked it out, and trust me…they wouldn’t be including it in the film if they didn’t believe the sources. Because AB kept extensive copies of all communications between THIS office and Bentz, including notes created when we checked out his story, we can back up this allegation right to the wall. I get a lot of emails about that article, but none of them from the FBI telling me I shouldn’t be posting up a picture of a senior FBI agent and making such allegations. Gee…I wonder why. I even SENT THEM TO THE ARTICLE. So they have seen it. Not a peep, not a whisper from them about it.
Folks at the Cooper Forum just don’t like that I went public with it. It’s the strongest evidence yet that the FBI, just as they did with the Amboy Chute, played around with the truth a bit. Did you know that the ONLY person outside of FBI agents to actually examine the Amboy chute was Earl Cossey? And that his main argument it wasn’t Cooper’s was that the chute was made of silk? And we already know that wasn’t true. And what the hell happened to the container and harness? They just walked away, never to be found again? I have a few emails and phone calls from the Seattle FBI regarding the Amboy chute. In one of them, they admit that their so-called ‘outside experts’ were only consulted on the chute by telephone. Cossey was the only one to see it in person, and he drops a BS story to the media that the chute is silk. If you guys were Inuits, I swear I could sell you ice and a freezer to keep it in. 🙂
Where the heck do you guys get this stuff? What makes you believe a case agent can close an unsolved crime on his own, unless someone further up the food chain had something to say about it? If Eng was allowed to eventually (four years LATER) close the case, he got permission…or was TOLD to do it…by someone higher up. He wasn’t even the guy who made the announcement.
I guess I could let you in on what Geestman’s family has told us over the last three years, but for that…you will have to wait for the movie. Sorry to rub that in, but some of your responses make me believe you sort of deserve that.
Shutter says in part:
“you claim Jarvis will tell anyone this, right. so you give the best way to contact him to verify this. Bruce has been trying to get answers so you give the information to him…”
I claimed NO such thing. I NEVER said ‘Jarvis will tell anyone this’. And I didn’t ‘give’ any information to Bruce. I simply pointed him to the WordPress article that had already been in place for months. It had been public for a while. Still is.
I’ll look again, I thought you wrote something about asking him yourself…
How do you believe they came to a conclusion Kenny was DB Cooper? you keep saying they probably didn’t pay attention to the report you gave which is nothing like the way Tom Colbert reported his case..you keep advertising it like it’s a book for sale…they didn’t speak with any of Kenny’s friends, or you would of known so how did they do it? did they bust down Skipp’s door a year ago like you always fear removing hard drives looking for damaging proof they don’t want the public to see lol, or did they hold a suspect lottery hand picking the winner?
I CHECKED with the Seattle FBI. There was absolutely NO plan in place in 2011, 12, 13, OR 14 to close the Cooper case.
why do you feel privileged enough that the FBI would tell you what there plans are..I take it you spoke with the main office, not Seattle, remember the word comes down from D.C. they wouldn’t know until they were told..so, you don’t really have all the facts to answer that question..the Cooper case is hardly something the whole Bureau would make top priority anymore. it’s just an old unsolved crime. they have plenty of them..
“We have arrived at our conclusion today that it was just time to close the case because there isn’t anything new out there,” said Special Agent in Charge Frank Montoya, Jr. “There’s a lot that goes into that decision but really it was just time.”
The infamous hijacking that took place in 1971 became one of the bureau’s “longest and most exhaustive investigations,” the FBI said.
While the bureau has chased down an immense number of leads and tips from the public, including accounts of sudden unexplained wealth and detailed descriptions matching the hijacker, none has resulted in definitive answers.
“Unfortunately, none of the well-meaning tips or applications of new investigative technology have yielded the necessary proof,” the FBI said. “Every time the FBI assesses additional tips … investigative resources and manpower are diverted from programs that more urgently need attention.”
Montoya told reporters at a news conference that the decision to close the case was his.
FBI Special Agent Curtis Eng, who told reporters he’s been on the case since 2010, said he’s fine with the decision — and a bit relieved, as new tips have the potential to take him away from other cases.
“If it [a new lead] comes in, we’ve got to follow up with it,” Eng said. “It takes time and resources away from my other cases, where there are victims now. Where there’s problems and crimes now.”
Mr. Blevins, according to you this is all bullshit right? secretly, they knew it was Kenny all the time?
what’s next, a hump was on the floor where Kenny was standing next to Tina making him taller than her?
That’s a good one Shutter LOL
why not, lol no different than any of the other stuff flying around here…conspiracies galore.
Robert, while you continue to insult members of my forum could you tell us EXACTLY how long the Amboy chute was in the ground, and how many people purchased parachutes for storage covers, tents etc. that don’t have a harness attached and lines cut? how many examined the other chutes found in the area, it wasn’t just that one..the area is also now considered not the area where Cooper jumped. with the Jarvis thing and this, you have become a conspiracy theorist. you realize that, right?
Insulting your members? I can point you to scores of nasty comments, many using names, over at Shutter’s Place with my name attached. And still going on for YEARS, even after your famous ‘Final Notice’ to get control of your own website. You still haven’t done that, and participate in this fiasco yourself. Get real.
“Mr. Blevins, according to you this is all bullshit right? secretly, they knew it was Kenny all the time?”
You’re asking me why a senior FBI agent, a month after the FBI ‘closed’ the case, gave a different story on what actually happened? And how they came to that conclusion? Well, I can’t answer that for you. Not yet. I only presented the fact that Agent Jarvis said what he did in front of witnesses. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m not ready to draw conclusions about that, and neither should you. Sooner or later, the truth on the matter will emerge. Not whether Jarvis said what he said, because that is heavily documented. But why he did, and whether or not that is the actual situation. I don’t necessarily believe in conspiracy theories, but yes…it’s possible the FBI decided to close the case because they thought Kenny was the guy. The only way to find out what’s what for sure is to leave the article right where it is, and then include this information in the upcoming movie. It will soon become a major issue, and sooner or later someone will have to answer for it. Simply denying it won’t do any good. We have three good witnesses and plenty of emails and testimony about it.
But I will tell you what I DO know. I told you that Marla was wrong when she quoted Eng. I said it wasn’t Eng who made the announcement anyway, and it was years later. I told you such a decision would have to come out of DC. Notice that Montoya uses the phrase ‘WE decided…’ Not HE, not ‘Agent Eng’. I was right about those things, despite your spin tactics there.
As far as the Amboy chute, you’ll never get to the truth on that unless the FBI suddenly becomes a little more forthcoming about the whole thing. They dismissed it in April 2008, saying it wasn’t Cooper’s without giving a reason. In 2011 and 2013 I made inquiries about it. On the first inquiry, they told me they couldn’t discuss it because it was ‘evidence in an ongoing case’. The second time I contacted them, I reminded them they had dismissed it as evidence five years previously. They gave me the same answer. There is also the silk claim by Cossey, which has been thoroughly discounted. So how can you be sure? (By the way, the lines were not cut until after it was found, not before. But someone disconnected the harness and container, and they are presumably elsewhere.)
There are now more than 1,100 comments to this article, which is entering the land of ridiculous. More than half of them are sniping and backbiting, often by people using phony identities. Some are shills, or yes-men I believe, who hang at the Cooper Forum. Some are known members of that forum, such as Parrot, Bruce, and yourself.
And the flight path of the aircraft isn’t changed just because you say so…or Robert 99 says so in order to explain the Tina Bar money. Neither of you have any proof that the flight path, as presented (yes, even TODAY) at the FBI’s website is inaccurate. If you do, you should submit it to them so they can change their flight path maps. 🙂
you have become a conspiracy theorist, plain and simple..you don’t back anything up, you go against known facts..I guess I will show the definition so you can understand…I won’t call you a sleezy lowlife either as you often do…. 🙂 I gave the formal reason straight from the source and you want to claim otherwise due to hearsay…
A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes an unwarranted conspiracy, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors. Conspiracy theories often produce hypotheses that contradict the prevailing understanding of history or simple facts. The term is often a derogatory one.
According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected.[6] Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore “a matter of faith rather than proof”
Love the last part ” a matter of faith rather than proof” 🙂
A see a lot of fluff and no substance in your post. And your veiled name-calling isn’t fooling anybody, although probably supported by your own site members. I imagine they are following your lead over there at the Cooper Forum (although I haven’t looked), while over HERE you complain about insults a lot.
“you have become a conspiracy theorist, plain and simple..you don’t back anything up, you go against known facts..I guess I will show the definition so you can understand…I won’t call you a sleezy lowlife either as you often do…. I gave the formal reason straight from the source and you want to claim otherwise due to hearsay…”
Hearsay evidence does not really apply regarding the Bentz evidence because the documentation is extremely heavy, and there are multiple witnesses involved. If I didn’t feel confident about it, I wouldn’t have named names in the article. For example, any major news service, if they chose to do so, could simply copy the WordPress article and get to the bottom of the whole thing in pretty short order. As far as I know, no one has done that, although it would be easy for them. But sooner or later, someone WILL. Probably not until it appears in the film, though. That’s my guess. Until then, it isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s an ALTERNATE theory, based on witness testimony, emails, notes from phone calls, and a friendly FBI agent. That isn’t guesswork or making stuff up. It’s evidence, pure and simple.
The allegation that Agent Jarvis claimed that the FBI’s real reason for closing the case was because they knew the identity of the hijacker, that he was dead anyway, etc will stand. You are confusing the presented evidence by assuming we know whether Jarvis was right. We don’t. But the very fact that he would say such things begs the obvious questions: WHY did he do it? And IS IT TRUE?
Those questions have not yet been answered. Not yet. I think at some point they will be.
Now you don’t want to take blame for the names you called us, seriously? you didn’t call me and others “sleezy lowlifes” I have the screenshot?
You are stating the Jarvis issue as fact..that’s exactly how you imply it..then you keep insisting it’s going into the movie without any type of verification…spare your logic..
Bruce, please remove material he has no rights too. he has been banned from viewing my forum or any material related to “The DB Cooper Forum” he is doing nothing but character assassination once again..
all of this needs to stop..he is using your forum for the the purpose of personally attacking me and members of my forum. his agenda has been very clear from just a couple comments into the start of this thread. this is not “The DB Cooper Forum” this is The Mountain News..
The worst said was parasite, so stop with the BS….you need to be removed from here Robert. all you do is whine about anything said about you on my forum. you have been a problem since 2011 from wh
That picture was used under Fair Use rules to demonstrate or illustrate a research point, which is allowed. It is dated 2014 and shows you once forbid further use of my name on your website. Since that time, there have been literally SCORES of insulting posts with my name on them over a period of YEARS. And they still continue today. Many of them made not only by YOU, but your most prolific poster, who once had moderator powers you assigned to him. It was simply my answer to your repeated comments about ‘insults’. There isn’t a single insulting reference to you, your members, or your website at the Adventure Books forum. And we still (God knows why) list you as a Recommended Resource at the main AB of Seattle website.
Come on, you’re overreacting. If Bruce wants to ban me from Mountain News, he can do that if he wishes. I guess that’s better than your idea that I go to North Korea or China. 🙂
The worst said was parasite, so stop with the BS….you need to be removed from here Robert. all you do is whine about anything said about you on my forum. you have been a problem since 2011 from what I can gather..Bruce has admitted to your character assassination being well known.
I’ve hit you with logic and you go right after me with posting things you have no right too. then you try and blame me for it. you have countless personal attacks on here directed at me and members of my forum..that alone should be enough to get you removed. the attacks not being enough, you start posting false accusations multiple times.
I ask simple questions, and give simple logic to your conclusions and you constantly get angered and start the personal attacks when things don’t go your way..you have tied up this thread far worse than you did on the DZ..you have been making up lost time..this is why nobody is on your forum Robert..those that were there end up leaving. then you wish to preach about how to run internet forums, not only forums, you want to dictate what is said and not to be said. “to conform to inward thinking” this is spite 101 whether you believe it or not..the truth did come out!!!!
I have dozens of screenshots but don’t post them..just more spite..I quote people from your forum due to the false accusations and attacks you place here…I don’t care if you can’t defend yourself on my forum. you should of thought of that prior to being spiteful in 2014.
I don’t even VISIT your site, Shutter. Haven’t been there in months. As far as Greg, that isn’t the correct spelling anyway, although it’s close. I must have been in a hurry when I mentioned him at Dropzone that time.
He doesn’t want to hear from you anyway. If I had let him have his way, he was going to go back a few years and send a comprehensive package to your host, or server, or whatever. I told him that except for the picture I posted back there, he was not allowed to use anything prior to this April in any report. What is the problem here? Have you ever actually gone back and viewed some of the posts made by you and your members with my name on them? My God…it’s endless…and the only positive ones come from 377, your Voice of Reason over there. Everything else is negative, full of insults and names, some of them pretty nasty.
Over at the AB Ranch, nothing bad is said about you guys. And you know about the other stuff…the deleting of comments to your YouTube videos, the editing of a certain video, adding your site to Recommended Resources. Are you so BLIND with hatred that hatred is all you SEE? Geez Louise, man. Give it a break occasionally.
Come on, you’re overreacting. If Bruce wants to ban me from Mountain News, he can do that if he wishes. I guess that’s better than your idea that I go to North Korea or China.
That’s not a personal attack. that logical thinking Robert. you constantly dictate things. you want things your way or hit the highway. they call that dictatorship. you are censoring my forum. they do that in China. you don’t like negative comments, tough. the Cooper discussion is full of them, you make plenty of them. you refuse to accept a younger age for cooper then turn around and claim stress gave the wrong description, so how can you say the age is wrong? did stress put hair on Cooper while he was really bald in plain view, could of been 260 lbs, no? the stress seems to have made him 5′ 8″ with a toupee and a suntan. is that what stress did?
you can’t get away from talking about my forum, period. I hit you with logic that crumbles your thinking pattern with how you think things are true. 3 examples far better than yours, all have good backgrounds and should be trusted with your thinking? that means McCoy was Cooper, and he got 250 grand, not 200, and landed in Oregon.. all very good sources, some in Federal law enforcement. it has to be true if we use your logic, or we can use the old “either it’s true or not. the truth will come out with these three one way or the other” so people can still hang onto to this theory keep them wanting…like a soap opera “cliff hanger, tune in next week”
a reasonable explanation has been given by the FBI. the agent who made the call.
Just for the record, I don’t care if Bruce removes the picture. I just wanted to remind you of your own words, and what has happened since that time. Seemed fair to me. And now you’ve been reminded. Good enough for me. Truth is, I can handle a few insults coming from your site members. I’ve seen them often enough, after all. We’re only asking you not go into Slander or Libel-type territory. Is that so much to ask? I don’t need to post at your site, and I wouldn’t join even if it were allowed.
I still think it serves a good purpose in the Cooper case, as long as you aren’t using it as an anti-RMB platform, and doing it in such a way that forces action. A few names? Big deal. Outright lies that could damage a reputation? That’s something else. And I actually have confidence you won’t allow that.
How do I know? Because you questioned the validity of Nicky’s BS statement that the producers told him the movie was canceled. That isn’t libelous, but you saw it for what it was: UNTRUE. I still believe we can reach a mutual understanding on what is okay, and what isn’t. Try to remember that what I ask is no different than you demanded from us, both here, and at the AB Forum…
Oh, brother. I am sooo tired of talking about these things. 🙂 Bottom line on the Bentz evidence is that we are running with it, both publicly and in the film. If we’re wrong, it will come out soon afterward. If we’re right, same thing.
yeah, don’t follow up on it..just run with it…
Anyone know a good teacher who can teach my wife’s 1st graders a history lesson about DB Cooper? That person could do a skype lecture for one hour, it would be taped and put up on You Tube. Bruce? georger?
Actually, I think georger, with his lecturing experience and ability to insert deadbeat 1st grade humor might be a better match, Robert. lol. Bruce is too cerebral. But if georger turns down, I’ll go to Bruce. Thanks.
Notice: I have spent the last hour scrubbing the last 30 posts here due to complaints and my lack of tolerance for this pissing contest. It is over.
LOL…I will make a note that this WordPress site is heavily edited. Posts just disappear or something.
YUP. See Below. Editor.
Screening comments, as I do, is one thing. Wholesale censorship after-the-fact is quite another. Most of those comments were mine, and on some I spent a fair amount of time on them. Okay, no problem. But this is what I will do:
NOTICE: Anyone with further questions should contact me directly via email, or the AB Forum site. I hate wasting time, and obviously much of my time here is wasted. There is no telling now that if I were to post additional comments or answer questions here, that they could vanish days later. So I will no longer spend time doing that.
Sincerely, Robert
Gypsy: Ron Forman might be your best bet for a taped SKYPE interview on DB Cooper. He has models of a 727 and is quite knowledgeable and grandfatherly. One hour for 1st graders? Really? I would say 20 minutes, tops.
I have not heard such child like bickering in all of my life. NO one will solve the D.B.Cooper case and Kenny was NOT Cooper…remember that the woman who was Kenny’s Friend came to Pensacola to see Duane Weber 3 yrs BEFORE he died…Duane asked her “How’s Kenny doing.”
They already before 1995 knew that Kenny was ill – She talked about Kenny & her horses.
How Duane knew her and Kenny – I do not know – but her husband or friend was picking her up at Duane’ Weber Shop – called the Peddler’s Shop – She flew in and Duane picked her up at the ariport…and who ever was her was picking her up at the shop…I was only there for about 15 minutes as I had to get back to work – but had gone to the shop to see how Duane was doing.
He had dialysis that morning and that is why the woman in Teal Suit – came to see Duane.
She wanted to see how he was doing – so Kenny knew that Duane was going down fast.
Odd why Belvins did not put me in contact – with her….I asked him to do so….but the truth he really had no connections….told no one where she was or how she was.
Belvins you are the world biggest liar. You take the TOP award.
I was talking to Skip before you were….but it sounded fishy —-like
he was looking for something….he found me – I didn’t find him.
WHY? Ask yourself that question – WHY did Skipp Contact Jo Weber?
Frankly I never figured it out – was odd – very odd and so many yrs ago
I do not remember the Details..but somewhere in all of these boxes are
emails I exchanged with Skipp – he scared me – I didn’t know who he was
and it was not uncommon for me to recieve such email after I went public.
What connected Skipp, Weber, Kenny and the man with the Green boats,
I forgot what the Green things are – oh, Tug boats!.
Too many yrs at this – but, it started with Duane’s confession before he died.
How was Duane and Kenny Connected – why did the woman come here and
who in this area was she meeting – someone picked her up from the shop
after I left…
So you see – I think you got took for a RIDE Mr.Blevins!
Funny – Maybe Skipp was Cooper or someone who liked to play games.
Or was he involved – he was supposed to be an investigator, but who and
what was Skipp in real life?
See, I told you all before that Bruce was a gentleman. He could pull this entire thread down and leave us all without a DB Cooper home to go to.
Even Jo would be homeless again.
Bruce ain’t no Quade, that’s for sure.
Welcome home, Jo.
With all the bickering here and Robt spending all his time on the thread – HOW does he have time for work , research or anything else….I have proof Skipp was in contact with me long before Robt ever entered the Pic….I still do not know if Skipp was a fictional character dreamt up by Belvins to open the door for himself to do a book…Belvins is an odd person and I for one know better than any one to trust anything he says. Maybe Skipp is a fictional character – that Skipp was actually Belvins to begin with…..that was my first instinct yrs and yrs ago – seems like yrs. Any one have his birth record & death records…why did he come to Pensacola…who is he connected to here? I think I know who he was connected to in this area – but, until I know for sure – mum is the word….the man I have been think about was ill himself and he was the one who I went to about the reels Duane had that came from a plane – and he told me he knew someone who collected them…and the man did not come to my home but met me at the School that was several feet from my office. The man did not want to come to the office or my home for the reels….NOW I believe that very ODD.
Hell I didn’t know what the cylinders where – Duane picked them up at the airport in Atlanta several yrs before he died…told me not to touch them, but did tell me they were recorders used on a plane.
This connect this to this and to that person…I wish someone would just tell me the truth even if I could never tell anyone….OR was Skipp really the man I have spoken to several times – a man by another name….think I will try to find out if the man in Pensacola is still alive – I knew he had been ill and he and Duane knew each other for yrs….
This entire saga is beginning to sound FUNNY and ODD. Who is playing who now?
Oh my, Garth was Skipp and Skipp was Garth – what the hell did I just step into…let you know in a few days.
Have to make some phone calls and go see a man as soon as I can – I do not believe the revelation that just occurred…something I suspected long ago – but, just did not want to believe it.
‘Belvins you are the world biggest liar. You take the TOP award.’
I rather object to that, but I also respect you in certain ways. Hard to explain, and probably doesn’t matter anyway.
ONE OF YOU GUYS POSTED THIS – WHO ARE YOU”
” Skydiver David Woodhouse says: “I met Cossey at the ’70 Nationals in Plattsburg. Good rigger, funny guy with a Mickey Mouse fetish.”
i DIDN’T KNOW COSSEY HAD A MICKEY MOUSE FETISH! THAT EXPLAINS HOW DUANE WON MICKY IN A GAME OF CARD…….IT WAS COSSEY HE WAS PLAYING WITH.
I STILL HAVE MICKEY! Nice to know it used to belong to Cossey! You know I was talking to him on the phone the night he got killed….he heard something in the house & he told me NOT TO HANG up – he sounded scared. Said he had left his wallet on the kit counter near the door – just like I put my purse on the counter…when I saw the pics of his home – I knew it had a door to the kit just lime mine. I kept calling out to Cossey – he had answered me on the house phone I believe…after several minutes I finally hung up…but could not shake that feeling I had.
A FEW DAYS LATER:
Then Bruce announced that Cossey had been killed & I called the deputies in his town & told them there was someone in his house & that I was on the phone with him when he got killed. I though maybe he had been drinking or who ever was there was a friend and he forgot to hang up the phone…..instead he was in his garage dieing – I shall never ever forget that. Makes me feel like I had a hand in his death – got tears running down my face just remembering it.
I was scared to death for several wks that if the person had my phone number that he could get my house address – my phone number was on Cossey’s cell and I sorta like him…in a nice way..he was never rude to me and alway nice and he sent me pics of the chutes – he didn’t have to do something like that. He is missed by all including his ex – and his family. One ever knows how much they care until it is too late –
Now I know where MOUSE came from – Duane won it off of him in gambling game – back in the days…..I guess GOD heard my plea. Suddenly too much is coming to revelation – and I am not sure I am ready for all that is happening….too much – too late! AND now too soon and bringing with it revelations I am not sure I can handle.
Editorial Notice: Who gets Scrubbed? All those that indulge in personal banter, backstabbing, and narcissistic-obsessive-compulsive off-topic behavior.
Totals: RMB 40%; Shutter 50%; Other: 10%.
Well…hmm. Seems fair I guess, after all. 🙂
Tweeted the Seattle Times and a couple of other local news outlets. Sent them to the WordPress article on the Bentz evidence, aka ‘The REAL Reason the FBI Closed the DB Cooper Case’. We will see what happens, if anything.
You should be walking right into KOMO, KIRO etc. stations personally..that’s how you insure they get the story…right to the source..like you did with the PDF report to the FBI…it’s repeated often online, so one would think it should also be repeated to the actual news media..
I never claimed I was THAT eager to make the story available to news services. As far as I’m concerned, it can wait for the movie. It’s been sitting on WordPress for months, gets a lot of views daily.
Greg has told me that there are inaccurate (polite term) posts on your website concerning the relationship between Skipp Porteous and myself. FYI: One of Skipp’s emails from a while ago says he has never been contacted by Galen C. That came after Galen went on your site long ago and claimed Skipp was saying this or that about me, mostly bad stuff, which is a complete pack of ‘mistruths’. (polite term) Skipp has never spoken to Galen. We had a very good relationship almost up to the time he passed away.
I have told Bruce I will no longer respond to questions here, or post anything further to Mountain News. And this time I mean it. Further questions should be sent by email, or you can drop by the AB Forum and do them there.
Congratulations to Mr. Smith, with the longest continuous single thread in the Cooper saga. In addition to his record of 40,000 views of the Tina Mucklow story, scooping all others with related sites.
actually the DZ holds that record for a single thread lasting years…nice try though..
Shutter is correct. I think TED was referring to single sub-topic posts. Regardless, Bruce gets kudos for dealing with people that Quade could and would not deal with. We all know who “They ” are.
That’s fine..I emailed the FBI along with a printed version that was sent by snail mail to 3 different agencies. as for my website, it’s of no concern to you or Greg..inaccuracies with the FBI might be a slightly bigger issue…it’s all good…
Take care
JO, welcome here. But you have to quit calling Blevins bad names and a liar. Bruce will send you to the woodshed to get dried out. The rest of us here love you.
I’m not trying to scare anyone..I’m doing what you should of done which is getting to the bottom of hearsay evidence..it’s part of researching the Cooper case..you get upset and attack me and my forum as retaliation…
Shutter: If I cared whether someone (even you) checked out the Bentz story…I wouldn’t have published the article to WordPress. And as I told you already, when I first released it, I sent links and copies to both the DC office and to Seattle. I also know that you were aware of the allegations a year and a half ago, and that Bruce inquired with the Seattle FBI about them. He got a stock response from Ayn Dietrich. It’s a form email Bruce…I once got the same exact thing from Dietrich.
However, mine was answered a little more personally on the Bentz story than with an auto-reply.
I don’t recall you getting anything. in fact I mentioned it several times in the past. I’m still not satisfied so none of this should bother you in the least. when I read a comment that the FBI has made a statement to Bruce since he posted his full reply telling a different story and then reading a headline of “The Real Reason” that conflicts similar to the book you have that states “The True Story” and is full of error’s makes me want to look into it further. then you state you will leave it to someone else to find the truth. the news media can expose things far greater to get a “whistleblower” as you called Bentz heard.
I made a statement of alerting the media and you go on a personal vendetta towards me bringing up my forum again. this would possibly get national coverage..no telling if anyone takes a movie serious enough to act on statements made, or if the movie is made. as of now nothing is rolling. The FBI never made any statements hoping tips would go away. that’s not why they closed part of the case nor can you use old unsolved murder cases to compare with this case. apples and oranges again. the you imply they are trying to get the public to lose interest. that’s not a truthful statement other than a personal opinion. a lot of the public never gained interest.
They are basically saying what we say when proof is needed…”either put up or shut up” would be a quote about the FBI I would use. 40 plus years of it was my brother, it’s him, he has the same tie clip, he was missing, he looks like the sketch, he has more money that he should..over and over they chased these leads.
The bottom line is the story needs to be exposed to bring out Jarvis. Bentz doesn’t seem to do anything. media coverage would get bodies shaking..I don’t believe Cooper is a daily subject with the FBI anymore.
when you make articles surrounding these allegations and don’t take the time to get news coverage of this to try and get real answers sends up a red flag. sugar coat it all you wish. stating something over a year old is pre-mature is ridiculous. I would like to hear something from Jarvis..
“You don’t believe Agent John Jarvis’ story? Why don’t you go to the source and ASK him”
This is what media coverage would do, or pressure..emails will probably be ignored. you have to corner people sometimes to get answers..investigative reporters dig deep, they try and get answers and don’t give up on failed email responses. I’m not one, so one needs to take this over…
For the record:
1. John Jarvis. I have attempted to contact Mr. Jarvis directly. The only avenues I was able to uncover were snail mail addresses in the Langley-Quantico Virginia area. Letters to Jarvis have not been answered.
2. I spoke with Bentz a couple of months ago at his home in Virginia. He was terrified to talk with me, and angry with RMB that his identify had been revealed, especially after promises he received that his information about Jarvis would be kept strictly confidential.
3. My requests to RMB for assistance in contacting his sources have been unsuccessful.
More reason to expose this story. isn’t it Robert who always claims trust issues? I’ll bet he hasn’t seen the article Robert has written. plus, Robert wants to put the story in a movie..Bentz is going to have to come forward soon if I can get help from the media. Robert already ruined his life if this turns out to be true or it’s not being told as it stands right now..all the more reason this needs to be put into prospective. it sounds like the focus needs to be in finding the right investigative reporter to get the job done…
Where do you guys GET this stuff? ‘Expose’ this story? It’s been public record for sixteen months, and probably a few more on the updated article. Copies already sent to both the Seattle FBI office and the DC office. Over a YEAR ago. Few thousand fews at WordPress as well. Not exactly a big secret, boys. 🙂
Bruce Smith says, with my responses:
For the record:
“1. John Jarvis. I have attempted to contact Mr. Jarvis directly. The only avenues I was able to uncover were snail mail addresses in the Langley-Quantico Virginia area. Letters to Jarvis have not been answered…”
Robert says: Maybe Jarvis is embarrassed to discover what he said in confidence was revealed soon afterward. Most FBI agents aren’t going to sit down and send you a letter on something like that. Kudos for trying, though.
“2. I spoke with Bentz a couple of months ago at his home in Virginia. He was terrified to talk with me, and angry with RMB that his identify had been revealed, especially after promises he received that his information about Jarvis would be kept strictly confidential…”
Robert says: Only SOME of that is true. Bentz went on the record right away, HE was the one who approached me, not the other way around, and he KNEW he was going on the record. We discussed the situation at length. It was I who suggested we keep his last name out of it, at least at first. He got cold feet later when his wife found out what he had done. She was not happy about it. I told Bentz I would make his story public without giving his last name…and he was okay with that…but I warned him I would keep his last name out of it for no more than a year. He was okay with that, too. After a year had passed, I put his last name into the article. He was made aware of that, as well. If you’ve read the article at WordPress, it’s obvious he was both excited and happy about coming forward.
“3. My requests to RMB for assistance in contacting his sources have been unsuccessful.”
Robert says: Oh…NOW you want to work with me. NOW you want access to sources. Most of the time you don’t even answer my emails. And I have seen your references at the Cooper Forum about working with me, and the supposedly vast numbers of emails I deluge you with. I only work with people I trust, Bruce. I don’t know you well enough to trust you, and your occasional negative comments about me at the Cooper Forum don’t inspire trust or confidence. My apologies for saying that, but that’s the way it is.
No big deal…but this article is now SO overloaded with comments that it takes FOR-EVER to load it, and FOR-EVER Further to post. Might be time to move on to somewhere else.
I hate to triple post, but I have an important additional point on THIS:
“I spoke with Bentz a couple of months ago at his home in Virginia. He was terrified to talk with me, and angry with RMB that his identify had been revealed, especially after promises he received that his information about Jarvis would be kept strictly confidential…”
Bentz also provided personal references from his work, giving both their names and work numbers. He WANTED me to verify him. He also provided the names, workplaces, and numbers of his three friends who witnessed the statements by Jarvis. These things were NOT made public, and WON’T be unless major media or the FBI comes calling at me.
By providing these things, Bentz had no reasonable expectation of confidentiality on HIS part. Yet, I did the right thing and suggested keeping his last name secret (and the information private on his references and friends) for a full year. I told him that if nothing ‘broke’ on the story by that time, (more info emerges as a result of the article, the FBI comes calling, or the NY Times gives me a call) I would reveal his last name. I did just THAT, and kept my promise to him. He knew that was the situation from the start.
However, I can understand why he’s nervous now. You know how it is. A year goes by quicker than you think.
Shutter: This story is not new, even to the Cooper Forum. You guys were discussing it at length back in 2016 there.
Might be time to move on to somewhere else.
… this is now attempt # 9 🙂
especially after promises he received that his information about Jarvis would be kept strictly confidential.
did you tell him after a year you would splatter his name all over the internet, or the alleged story itself..doesn’t appear so from what Bruce has stated..
none of this should bother you anyway…
I never claimed it was new..Cooper articles only reach a certain amount of people..how many people do you think I could ask tomorrow who have seen the article? I’ll bet zero..how many people will see the local news and possibly watch it on national networks, millions.
Apparently, you took something that wasn’t suppose to be made public going against someone’s wishes which concerns me when you think about it..why even say it. anyway, some sort of truth needs to come of this for everyone who has read the article. verification is always key to someone claiming something as fact. everyone you run into is the perfect human being with a perfect background and no reason to believe anything they say could be fabricated..
wasn’t one of these guys your friend?
These things were NOT made public, and WON’T be unless major media or the FBI comes calling at me.
according to your previous statements you contacted the FBI and got a response that was not a “auto-response” so why didn’t you tell the whole story, why would they need to contact you again? they were already “calling” I’m sure they wouldn’t listen to just half of the story..more conflicts in your statements. you had there attention, right?
Shutter says in part:
“Might be time to move on to somewhere else.
… this is now attempt # 9 ”
You misunderstand. What I meant is that Bruce might want to consider doing a special article at Mountain News titled ‘Cooper Comments’ (or the like) and abandoning further comments to THIS article. Because after more than 1,100 comments, this article is extremely slow to load. That’s all.
As far as what Bruce says, and the relationship I have with Troy Bentz, and the truth of what we agreed upon regarding the release of information, etc…I can easily prove that with his lengthy emails. I held up my end of the bargain, and in spades. I waited an entire year to release his name, and I won’t release any information on his three friends unless a major news organization comes calling. And only maybe.
Come on…what do you want from me here? Why the heck do you even care what I release or what I say regarding the case? You believe everything I say is a lie anyway…and I am banned permanently from your site. (No problem there.) I don’t ‘owe’ you anything.
And you should probably check your email. I think we can come to an understanding here on certain issues without too much pain and sweat on anybody’s part.
Correction: TWO friends, not three. The fourth guy was Jarvis.
These things were NOT made public, and WON’T be unless major media or the FBI comes calling at me.
You contacted them and got a better response than Bruce according to your own statement so why would they come calling again? the agreement you claim to have with Bentz doesn’t sound like a one year clause attached to it either.
This is a public matter. I don’t need to converse with you on email. you brought this into the light, no reason to close the door on it, transparency is needed. I will continue to contact media sources concerning these allegations. you already pissed people off by shooting off your mouth so who really cares about things you claim haven’t been mentioned. you now have zero credibility with Bentz if Bruce made the right statement.
This is a discussion board. you made some serious allegations concerning the FBI and the reason the case was closed. you have taken a conversation that hasn’t been verified and went further to claim “The REAL reason they closed the case” as a matter of fact. Jarvis has not mentioned anything to date to either confirm or deny statements being made about what he said. as far as we know he hasn’t a clue what is being stated about him. we have no idea if Bentz is telling the truth at this point. IMO for Jarvis to hear this, or know things about the Cooper case implies a lot more people outside of the departments who would handle the Cooper case also know this about Kenny especially if they shoot there mouth off as easy as Jarvis did? you brag about his security clearance while you pretty much make a joke out of him..
Now, if you decide to respond please leave my forum out of it and stay on topic.
it’s obvious he was both excited and happy about coming forward.
so, If I contact him with the media he will be “happy & exited” to work with them?
You know, Shutter – there’s a thing my old man used to lay on me from time to time::
“Everyone does what they must, or what they think is best…”
So, do what you must or what you think is best. 🙂
Ouote: “Everyone does what they must, or what they think is best…” :Unquote. I’m sure that both Hitler and Gandi would agree with that same basic statement.
I’m as skeptical as any person you’ll ever find. I want proof, and I mean testable proof of any subject before I proceed or buy into anything. I was blissfully ignorant of several of the crimes that I’ve been focusing on for the last 7 plus years. And, at every step I’ve applied great amounts of skepticism. For example, when Nanette Barto tipped me to look into the Cooper caper, I thought, “oh no Nanette, that’s way too incredible.” However, ‘low and behold’, she was on the right track, and the evidence I’ve found proves it. Oh, and before I go any further, let me thank shutter for the link to the McCoy files, I’ve read them all, and from what I’ve seen so far, I can tell that shutter is an objective person. RMB is a “subjective” person. Objective procedure should always proceed and prevail over subjective procedure. It’s better known as “logic”.
Anyway, and on topic, very very apparently certain persons within the FBI recognized that the taunting documents retained within the Cooper files, like the “I knew” letter, and the “Hospitality” envelope and letter, Viva Las Vegas and the rest, were ALL authored by the same person….and that this same person had “inside crime scene knowledge.” Suck on that Blevins! You dance around everything that you write about, that’s why you get banned, and that only part of why people hate you! You never keep your word, you’ve promised repeatedly that you were gonna STFU, but you always double back with the nonsense. And now you cry that the thread is too long! You were the one that made it that way! There, now bury this message with your unfair dominance of this thread, you creep!
You are welcome Terry..I’m glad you had the time to go through the documents. that’s what this is suppose to be about. instead threads are filled up with drama and threats.
Robert, this story is part of the Cooper story, it doesn’t belong to you. Terry is correct that I am also very skeptical about anything said. I don’t demand proof, I want facts not conversations that are not confirmed or verified. it’s you who always demands things “source please” until it comes to something you write or post then the old trust issue is the loophole for not doing anything. you begged people to look into the story while on the DZ. once that happened it hasn’t been the same ever since.
You can give all the quotes pops has to dish out it doesn’t change my opinion of getting to the bottom of any accusations or statements. Bob Knoss played these games with things that were hard to verify. he use to call me the “Badger” he loved to tell you all about it but would clam up when proof was asked..or the usual “look for yourself”
The Holy Grail of getting some truthful answers would be to get the “exited happy” guy to do a skype interview with you and allow him to speak about what he knows..that would help in driving those stakes of truth into the ground..you also get your question & answer video you so desired a while back? imagine the hits that would get….then we could send the video to the media..
My first response has come in so I have to see what they have said in the reply…
“You can give all the quotes pops has to dish out it doesn’t change my opinion of getting to the bottom of any accusations or statements…”
So what’s stopping you? The article is plain as day, lays out the situation very well.
You want more information, I suppose. Additional names? To see all the emails? Phone call notes and transcripts?
Of course it’s part of the Cooper story, maybe the biggest one ever on the case if Jarvis was right. Correct?
But you’re missing a basic fact here. First, I don’t trust any of you. None of you are legit media for one thing. You raise the finger to me with one hand behind your back, while holding out the other hand, waiting for me to place what you want into it.
Is this not correct? Of course it is.
The article represents what I am willing to release to the public on this matter. In my view, that means you. YOU are in the same category with me, in fact, I trust inquiries from the general public a lot more than anything that comes at me from the Cooper Forum. You guys have a very negative history with us. There’s nothing stopping you from doing your own investigation on the allegations. If I cared about that, I wouldn’t have pointed you to the article, right?
Baiting me, or playing ‘I-deserve-to-know-everything-because-I’m-interested-in-the-Cooper case,’ won’t work, and it won’t make me give you any additional information. Do your OWN legwork. I did. I don’t feel any need to prove anything any of you over there at the Cooper Forum. Frankly, I just don’t care.
The really funny part is that most of the time while you’re asking (more like demanding) for more information, you have the absolute NERVE to insult me while you are asking. That’s crazy, it really is. I released as much on the Bentz story as I am willing to do with the public. Any further releases on it, more details, the full evidence, will only go to a legit media inquiry and no one else.
That’s my final word on the matter. Feel free to continue your own investigation, though. I have absolutely NO problem with that. Not a bit.
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Nope, just told you what I’ve been doing…I don’t need you, or what ever you are saying up there as I only gave it a cursory look..don’t worry about it…you can’t even do that…
Terry, what happened to Nanette Barto?
Shutter says:
“Nope, just told you what I’ve been doing…I don’t need you, or what ever you are saying up there as I only gave it a cursory look..don’t worry about it…you can’t even do that…”
Trying to be realistic here, and NOT be nasty. It would not be kosher for me to just give up the other witnesses’ names and details on the internet. Sooner or later, some news organization will contact me about this allegation. If not now, after the movie is released. Then I will sit down with them in person and we will go over the emails, the notes, the background information on the other witnesses, etc.
That is a much better way to get to the truth of the matter. I am certain that Jarvis said what he did, and under the circumstances as stated by Bentz. I just can’t tell you for sure that Jarvis was CORRECT.
But the only way to verify this story is for a news organization to speak with the other witnesses, and then approach Jarvis. This isn’t a job for armchair Cooper folk, but professionals. I made a little dig at the Cooper Forum back there, but the truth is…this is how I plan to handle this situation with anybody who asks, not just you guys. You have to admit that after all the negativity, to ask me to cut you into the loop on this one just isn’t realistic. It’s like throwing rocks at your neighbor’s house, and then asking to borrow a cup of sugar. 🙂
I’m sure if you find anything out on your own, you’ll release it publicly. Just remember…before you start allowing any falsehoods to be posted about this so-called investigation of yours…that it is Adventure Books with all the initial information and evidence on it…and that this material is pretty extensive. If you publish baloney about it, I will simply wait and provide proper media with the REAL information.
SIDE NOTE: Due to the vast number of comments to this article, (and maybe some posted videos in the background, who knows?) this page is becoming harder and slower to load all the time. And my computer runs 16GB of RAM with an Intel I-7 processor, and not first gen either. But my last comment above took a total of several minutes to post, counting page load time, scrolling, posting, waiting to save, etc.
What this means is that this situation will continue to get worse if more comments appear. I suggest to Bruce that if he wants any further discussion privately on the case, that he write up a NEW article and title it Cooper Comments or something like that, and in the main part of the article set some rules for posting.
Also, when I closed out this site after making the above comment, I looked at my CPU and other meters running on my desktop. Only for this site do they continue to run at nearly 80% for CPU usage, even after closing out. Since this never happens except after coming to this article, something is going on. I think the page is just TOO overloaded now and it takes minutes to actually close it out completely on your computer. I finally got tired of waiting for the CPU meter to drop back down to normal, and just re-started. This is just too much trouble to go through to make posts to an already overloaded article.
Cooper-related: Meeting with Greg the Techie Guy scheduled for Saturday morning. He lives about twenty-five miles from my place. Gayla comes along for this one, as well. We have some issues to address, not all of them Cooper. One involves a book we are considering publishing soon. No worries…it ISN’T about Cooper. 🙂
Once again Robert, this seems to dig deep into you..you keep saying you are done and return with more rants…I told you I was trying to contact media sources to look into this matter. I am not a investigative reporter. I’m not going to fly to Washington, or VA to catch him walking down the street. just as any other things surrounding the Cooper case some need verification. we have established no trust in each other, so no point in dragging this on any longer until more light can be shed on this matter.
I don’t doubt things were said so we have issues when only one side is heard. one minute Bentz tells someone he’s very upset this wasn’t kept confidential while you claim a year long gag order expired and he’s “happy & exited” and thinks it’s great…then he should have no problems discussing this with legit media sources. I’ve explained that this would be done regardless to who made the statement. I believe I used Tom Colbert as an example. he’s been in Hollywood for a while now..he’s given me a lot of insight on a lot of things.
I’m not demanding anything from you. you can’t say Jarvis is correct so it appears you are jumping to conclusions rather quickly..lets just see how much interest can be found in getting Jarvis to talk…to date, Bentz doesn’t appear to want to go first. I don’t see a point in going back and forth about it any longer….
There are no ‘rants’ going here. You say THIS:
“one minute Bentz tells someone he’s very upset this wasn’t kept confidential while you claim a year long gag order expired and he’s “happy & exited” and thinks it’s great…then he should have no problems discussing this with legit media sources…”
He was excited at the start. If you read the article, (you said you barely scanned it, which is NOT a good way to check out an article and do further work on it, by the way)…You would understand that is how Bentz felt about the situation AT THE BEGINNING. Not NOW. That was sixteen or more months ago.
It wasn’t a ‘gag order’. At first he was okay going public. When his wife reminded him that their kids did sports with FBI and military-personnel kids, she got legitimately upset and called him a whistleblower. I then told Bentz I would keep his name out of it until either something else broke on the story, or for at least a year. I treated him extremely fairly. When I finally revealed his name, I emailed him a warning that I was now doing so.
However…I still refused to identify his friends, where they worked, their personal information for verifcation, etc. And I still refuse to do that, especially on the internet. A very few people DO know these things, but it was discussed privately. I wanted a few trusted people to see the full extent of what we had on the allegation, because frankly…it IS a damn big deal.
*There are only four possibilities on this situation:*
1) *Bentz and his friends lied about the whole thing.* This is extremely unlikely due to the sheer amount of information provided for verfication.
2) *Jarvis was just pulling the legs of his two friends, as well as Bentz.* (Bentz had not met Jarvis previously.) In our minds, because Jarvis works a prestigious job in Behavioral Profiling out of Quantico, (last time we checked) and is a senior agent with more than 15 years of service to the Bureau, (some of it working high profile murder cases) this is ALSO unlikely.
3) *Jarvis, even though it doesn’t sound like it, (he gave two affirmative answers to the same question, after all) might just be giving his personal opinion on why the case was actually closed.* We doubt this because Jarvis spent a great deal of time that day discussing some of the other cases he worked on. To suddenly toss out (not once, but twice) an affirmation that the reason the case closed was because the FBI knew the hijacker was dead and that yes…it was Kenny…goes a bit beyond ‘personal opinion’. It’s like he KNEW this was the reason, and got it from a solid source.
4) *The fourth possibility of course…is that Jarvis was giving the three men the straight scoop, and in an odd moment, told the three what the REAL deal was on Cooper.* Looking at the entire picture of this incident from the outside, this is actually the most possible solution.
*UPDATE:* Although this page is still slow to load initially, the closing-out problem seems to have vanished. I may have had some heavy processes running in the background. I enabled Wise Game Booster, which ceases background programs running on your computer until they are needed.
Shutter: I wouldn’t take TC’s word that day was light and night was dark. Ask Billy J sometime (I did) why he distanced himself from TC after the History Channel program aired. I have emails from him about all that. At the end of it, he wanted nothing further to do with the whole thing regarding Rackstraw.
You should also ask yourself why TC’s team started quitting on him later. I don’t pick on TC. I just saw the whole thing as a witch hunt on Rackstraw. This has NOTHING to do with Kenny, by the way. Richard Floyd McCoy is a way better suspect than Rackstraw will ever be. In fact, if it turns out we’re wrong on Kenny, I would lean toward McCoy again as Cooper. But even that is shaky. You have to figure that since the FBI questioned McCoy on the hijacking, that they probably showed his picture to the witnesses. And that would have been done within a couple of years of the hijacking, when the witnesses’ memories were still fresh.
I have NOT read the Calame book, but is there anything in there saying any witness pointed to McCoy and said, ‘that’s the guy!’ ?
Mr. Blevins may not post over at the Cooper Forum, but he does get attention there. See most recent posts. Anyone know the difference between sylogisms and sillyisms?
Please advise resident professor.
same can be said for Georger here…he gets a lot of attention..it’s obvious he doesn’t like Robert so what law is being broken here about saying something about him? Mr. Blevins was told 5 years ago he was banned permanently for multiple reasons. that’s why he “may not post over at the Cooper Forum” it’s funny Bruce writes it that way…it’s “The Cooper Forum” not the “Cooper Forum”
The Blevins patrol strikes again…
Ha ha. Nice find Johnnie. Guess it turns out the reference is to the most talked about person in the case. hint: it’s not DB Cooper. lol.
Shutter: I wouldn’t take TC’s word that day was light and night was dark. Ask Billy J sometime (I did) why he distanced himself from TC after the History Channel program aired. I have emails from him about all that. At the end of it, he wanted nothing further to do with the whole thing regarding Rackstraw.
so, it’s okay to say that about Tom but we are haters when the same is said about you? just change the names above and it would be “Hate Monger” city if I wrote that?
close your forum, do what ever you wish..that solves what either way? nothing.
the bottom line here is we will continue to look for answers with the allegations about John Jarvis and Troy Bentz. one in Seattle (television) didn’t have a lot of positive things to say..another is in the working..
I guess this thread no longer supports looking into things about DB Cooper. it’s all about Shutter & Georger…
seems like you need a new thread titled “Shutter & Georger” all welcome “Sluggo, Orange1, Gene, Safecracker, Marla” good solid backgrounds there, no reason to believe they are lying 🙂
Have fun guys
ROBERT BLEVINS QUOTE: “Sooner or later, some news organization will contact me about this allegation. If not now, after the movie is released. Then I will sit down with them in person and we will go over the emails, the notes, the background information on the other witnesses, etc.” UNQUOTE
Translation: We will do the movie first, and worry about the truth later.
Egg-Zack-Lee 🙂
Perhaps an Escalade is not the proper thing to buy..go with the Pathfinder with a large down payment, or in full once you get the check from the Production company which should be very soon anyway. sacrifice the 280 for the cause. out of pocket will probably exceed what you have in the 280 anyway with production costs. it’s a win win..you have a large sum coming soon, you paid nothing for the 280, so sell it and use the money to finance the homeless video..you can’t go wrong on this?
Hello David,
We have not yet received any type of complaint or take down notice. If we do we will review the notice and make you aware. I very much doubt that we will need to take any action in this case.
In most cases the only items that we ever take action on is copyright infringements. We have, in very few cases, taken action in some defamatory cases but these would need to be easily identified and have good reason for us to review.
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Michael
I agree. Hence Scrubbing will commence if this conversation continues here. I suggest that personal issues be discussed in a more personal manner. I am done monitoring this line of discussion.
This thread is closed. Interested readers are invited to a new DB Cooper posting on the MN:
D.B. Cooper and Zodiac were linked in many ways(?) don’t quote me!! I don’t think he jumped from that plane, I think he was a change artist or could bend his body to fit in a case of sorts, with the money! it was all set up even on the ground, when those people found that other stuff they thought was coopers……! I wonder if these guys were telepathic also using someone type of radio type system built in the body used by war animals, and that is where the highway of tears comes in! I don’t like how those vehicles sit on highway pass overs ale to watch vehicles driving the super highway! get it? What was technology earlier is now updated! It’s the new smoke signal system! Now “The system that beats the system!” What was written on those letters! Remember it takes years to make a item then test it ands then sell it!1945s around this time, is when this stuff was being made or even talked about for use other then covert military, but even earlier as it is reported about audio sound technology! Now what about today in the 2018?Wearable’s and implantable!
Maybe even working somewhat together during earlier years ..Zodiac also said the same thing in a book called :”Letters form Serial killers”. as another said, “Osama bin laden” something like this on nightly news after he was captured : If catch me I have others learning from me and are followers more to come later (?) so it won’t ever stop? I also feel they may have been linked to the Highway of tears as the areas they lived were both on either sides of this highway! I found letters from both on the internet with same hand writings” To the editor and Dear Editor and picture postings cut or taped on paper and both were mixed with other writing also as if they both wrote something on the paper in some letters band hade someone else also write so the letters were hard to decipher and look like a puzzled up coded system! One of the seven zodiac suspects looks like a few people in Utah “Bishop” area and The “Bishop” Town might be a persons name.. as there is a person who also looks like the D.B. Cooper!…..
If this is true or even close I wouldn’t even worry about DB Cooper or the Zodiac anymore, I would worry about the communications devices we have that are more frightening! Just thoughts no facts fun writing may not be all true and no finger pointing