Recent commentaries on DB Cooper from Mountain News readers passes 1,000 posts

By Bruce A. Smith

One of the fascinating – and troubling – aspects of the Internet is the need many users have to gossip. The draw of social media is a unique facet of modern life, and the criticisms and back-stabbing in chat rooms and on social media, like Facebook or Twitter, are major forces shaping our world. The Mountain News is not immune to this phenomenon, especially regarding DB Cooper. Since November 2017, Cooper postings at the Mountain News have resulted in over a thousand comments. Many of them require monitoring, often leading to removal by yours truly in my capacity as editor. But a thousand posts is significant, and invites an examination of what is transpiring.

The Mountain News-WA is one of the leading sites on the Internet discussing this iconic hijacking – and it’s free, leading to a lot of traffic from armchair sleuths and lovers of true crime mysteries. The DB Cooper skyjacking is the only crime of its kind in the history of the United States, and it is unsolved. In addition, the identity of DB Cooper is unknown and the FBI has no physical evidence from the heist other than a small pile of soggy twenty-dollar bills found on a Columbia River beach eight years after Cooper stole his jetliner. Adding to the mystery, no one has a definitive explanation of how the money landed at the river, or when.

Since the Cooper commentaries are becoming newsworthy, it may be useful to explore, or at least identify, some of the dynamics presenting themselves. Let’s start with describing the major players.

The primary poster is a fellow named “Shutter45,” who is also the founder and moderator of the DB Cooper Forum, a major site for technical discussion of the DB Cooper skyjacking. As such, Shutter is drawn into the Mountain News conversations to defend his actions at the DBC Forum, especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.

Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters. Hence, the tensions are real and persistent. Their back-and-forth can be tedious, yet the bickering continues for it seems to serve some very deep needs.

Many Cooper aficionados are attracted to this action, and also to the opportunity to share pet theories or ask questions of the many Cooper sleuths in attendance. Surprisingly, many are young sleuths, such as Dovid Froiman, or NickyB123, who are passionate about their investigations. Dovid has a keen interest in the Tektronix connection uncovered by the Citizen Sleuth Team lead by Tom Kaye, who has identified over 100,000 unique metals and particles on the tie abandoned by DB Cooper on his airliner. Nicky, in turn, is exploring some of the Boeing employees of the 1971-era who would have the unique skill set and knowledge base that Cooper possessed, such as how to jump successfully from a 727.

Other posters are believed to be impostors, impersonating major figures in the DB Cooper investigation, such as a “Marla,” who seems to be trying to channel the infamous Marla Cooper, the charming lassie who spilled the beans about her Uncle Lynn Doyle Cooper to the FBI, who in turn announced in 2011 that LD Cooper was the “most promising” suspect in their 40-year investigation.

Some impostors are invoking the memory of past investigators, such as Sluggo, SafecrackerPLF, or Orange1 – all favorites of the online sleuthing community.

Yet, some illuminaries are legit. “Just Jo” seems to actually be Jo Weber, the Godmother of the DB Cooper Internet World, as she has been writing about her late husband, Duane Weber, since 1995. She continues to tout his supposed confession to the DB Cooper skyjacking, declaring he is the skyjacker despite Duane’s rejection by the FBI.

Frequent posters with good manners and interesting questions are Gypsy 23, TED, and Johnnie Green. Perhaps the most singular poster is Terry Batcher, who is a keen examiner of the letters sent to the FBI and signed “DB Cooper.” Terry is also deeply involved in the Zodiac and Jon Benet Ramsey murder investigations, and his lengthy missives add a quirky balance to the Norjak discussions, as that is the moniker the FBI has given to the DB Cooper investigation.

Current commentaries are concentrated on the DB Cooper article titled: DB Cooper News: “Flap over letters sent to FBI makes headlines nationwide,” posted on November 21, 2017. Link below:

Ironically, success is proving too difficult for the servers to maintain, and computer loadings are slowing down. As a result, I have been asked to start a new page to allow the comments to continue.

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224 Responses to Recent commentaries on DB Cooper from Mountain News readers passes 1,000 posts

  1. brucesmith49 says:

    Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
    – BAS

  2. Gypsy23 says:

    Bruce, always the gentleman, and published author on DB Cooper, has the only site where multiple authors of this topic come to post. May your next 1000 be blessed.

  3. Cooper podcast guy Darren S liked my response to this article. He said so on Facebook. Nothing like a neutral party to give a non-slanted opinion on things.

    What response? I already posted the link. Another glitch, I suppose. 🙂

  4. Nicky says:

    It’s Nickyb233 not 123 Bruce but thanks for the shout I appreciate the recognition…I am 29 years old, knocking on 30! I believe I am the youngest cooper sleuth out there. You old timers will not be around forever but the work you have done is invaluable, I will make it my mission to keep this case alive and carry on everybody’s efforts. I am determined to solve this thing! with the recent solving of the gsk cold case and the recent news of zodiac dna now being testing we that is all good stuff and will help possibly further dna testing with the cooper case.

  5. Johnnie Greene says:

    I guess we’re back…..

  6. Drop a little truth on some folks, they just fall to pieces. I never liked censorship much anyway.

    When you try to squash the other side of a story, it only makes people wonder WHY. 🙂

  7. Well, sure it is. There are always two sides to every story, though.

  8. shutter45 says:

    No, the article is one a one sided view and will only cause the comments to continue. I was alerted of false accusations you wrote on that thread. from that point on you continued to add fuel to the fire bringing up my forum constantly trying to discredit. none of it should of been on the thread in the first place or we wouldn’t be here now. it all goes right back to the comments that were off topic started by you. a new thread is made and here you are trying to defend things that you started. I didn’t come here talking about you. the thread was closed due to the constant back and forth due to things written by you on that thread. there is no other way around it. do I make a wordpress article and post my side saying yours is slanted…it never ends.

    questions were asked about the Jarvis allegations and you played games so I said I would try and get media help to look into the allegations. so, yes I’m trying to find a little truth you keep believing to drop on people. the article has now caused me to continue this argument in defense of your playing the victim in things you started. a new thread is born and takes up where the other thread left off with non cooper related gossip once again started by you right out of the gate.

    Gypsy23, really, I have more than two authors on my site that post about topics such as this, not to include other well known posters to the Cooper community that are all verified. my site has over a million views if we are to play the numbers game. is this what you guys are all about? what topic are you referring too, Shutter, or the letters. that topic left the building a long time ago. visit the closed thread and see how soon I become the topic…

  9. Terry Battcher says:

    I’m OK with your comments about me Bruce, except that my last name is spelled Battcher, with two letter t’s, thank you. Yes, quirky it may seem, wild it may seem, crazy it may seem, but the documents and the “structure” of the crime fully support my contentions.

    Today I wanna point out the taunting document that has the “No harm done” theme, found in the Cooper/Norjak FOIA files. Add to this the message about “Robin Hood” from the “I knew” letter. Before I make my main point on these two, I point out that ALL of the taunting documents retained in those files show linkage to one another, in either the envelopes or the documents themselves. This person is making some ‘subliminal suggestions’ here and playing upon those that have the sentiment that “Cooper put one over on ‘the man’.” And…he’s downplaying the the weight of the crime as well. Ask the stewardesses and/or flight crew in there was “no harm done?” You’re seeing also an “order out of chaos” justification tact that he’s taking. The book Mindhunter explains this concept.

    I’m not a crime buff, I skipped seeing a lot of movies from the 70’s because of the graphic violence “shock and awe” effect they were blatantly exploiting. I pursue the study of the Ramsey case and the fanciful note mainly out of a sense of duty, and based mainly on righteous indignation. I also pursue that case because whether everyone else realizes it or not, they’re also being victimized by the Ramsey case, in terms of the systematic thwarting of basic justice that took place and is still taking place. The whole Ramsey case has several layers of sequential diabolical acts. The MSM has and still does engage in ‘subliminal suggestions’ regarding the Ramsey case. Early on they reported “no footprints in the snow” around the house. By itself this is a true statement, except that they left out the fact that the sidewalks were all cleared of snow! The MSM engaged in a string of similar ‘subliminal suggestions’.

    Long before I started writing about the Cooper case, I already could see that the person that I refer to as Zodiac Jack, was leaving a journal of his activities. On YouTube have been a lot of recent videos by people claiming themselves as Zodiac killer experts, most of these people are phony’s. For awhile I’d zing them with this riddle: “What ‘noun’ do all of the picture drawings sent in by the so-called “Zodiac” have in common?” I’d let this same question hang for a week or more before returning to address it. Most of these same phony’s were smart enough not to take the bait, but not smart enough to realize that they were trapped. A truly objective researcher would have been honest and simply asked: “What are you getting at, Terry?” Well, the fact is, is that the word “jack” is the noun that all of the documents share. Hence; ‘Zodiac Jack.’

    BTW, I’d never used the term “hence” until I began to study the Ramsey RN. “and hence” is not only redundant, it’s improper grammar. As a researcher of more than 7 years now, I also think that “and hence” is one of his subtle hints. On the surface it appears as though he’s mocking Patsy Ramsey’s use of the term “hence,” but I think that he also relished the “and and” aspect of that “and hence” term. I also assert that ALL of the taunting Cooper documents belong to Zodiac Jack. Study all of the somewhat subtle figurines on the “SKY MARSHALLS” envelope, then study the all of the somewhat subtle figurines on the Ramsey ransom note, hence only part of my assertion that Zodiac Jack left a journal for us to “FolLaW,” hint-hint.

    I would have loved to put up a partition between Zodiac Jack and Jack Tarrance as a suspect, except that the Flova/FolLaW hints force my hand. Again, the only physical description that matches that of the sightings in the Zodiac cases, is that of Jack Tarrance. No other “darling” suspect make this criteria. And now it seems that his description is fully compatible with the “actual” description of the Cooper UNSUB, over 40, 185 lbs, hairline, and height.

    Quirky? Yes…but the subject is damn quirky in it’s entirety.

    Thank you Bruce!

  10. As far as Jack Tarrance being Cooper, I suppose it’s possible. It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. They seem SO much different in their known personalities. You know…Zodiac was a pretty ruthless. When he killed that young couple, it was just a horror. That poor kid, putting his hands up trying to deflect the bullets crashing into him, while the girl (I believe) died crawling toward the front seat to try and start the car.

    A real ugly and very tragic scene. It’s just hard for me to reconcile all that with a guy who seemed as polite as DB Cooper.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      RMB said, quote: As far as Jack Tarrance being Cooper, I suppose it’s possible. It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. They seem SO much different in their known personalities. You know…Zodiac was a pretty ruthless. When he killed that young couple, it was just a horror. That poor kid, putting his hands up trying to deflect the bullets crashing into him, while the girl (I believe) died crawling toward the front seat to try and start the car.

      A real ugly and very tragic scene. It’s just hard for me to reconcile all that with a guy who seemed as polite as DB Cooper. Unquote

      Quote: It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. Unquote

      Well, a careful comparison of the taunting documents that followed the Cooper caper, show great similarities, as well as outright evidence that they came from the same person. Both crime series show the threat and/or use of deadly force. As far as “personalities”, we have only the “personality” characteristics that the perpetrator wants us to see. The Cooper UNSUB was very low key, which isn’t much to go on. In the third attack at Lake Berressa, Hartnell reported that the attacker wasn’t a raving lunatic, but was rather sedate and almost business like.

      The first attack, which was on Faraday and Jensen, was an ambush. In the second attack, Mageau reported that the killer said “Hello Dee” to Darlene Ferrin. When Mageau started groaning from his non-fatal wounds, the killer doubled back and shot him again, which served as a message to Mageau to be careful not to make any noise.

      The coverup of the Zodiac case still continues. A program called Mystery Quest, aired last night on the Quest station and was about the Zodiac killer cases. It was a shoddy documentary that left out several key facts about the case, like the fact that the killer was seen by two cops right after he murdered cabbie Paul Stine.

      It’s my view that the Cooper caper acted to take the public focus off of the Zodiac series and on to the Cooper series. Despite this, the person that I currently refer to as Zodiac Jack, made sure that there were documents linking the cases. My research shows that he has been laying a document journal starting as early as 1946. A journal and story emerges once ALL of his rather cryptic statements are read in “congruence.”

      I’ve discovered that the Ramsey ransom note has devices that show which statements are true, and which statements are false. He did this in two different ways: One was the use of the word “not” with a pointer on it, the other was by using an underline or over-line symbol, which is a device used in the business of computer science, in something known as “truth tables.” These same indicators work out in terms of the readily provable false statements, which in turn allowed him to show which of the rest of the statements are true. Remember that this is the “War and Peace” of ransom notes. Also bear in mind that taunting documents in the other cases that we link, are also very long and that there are several of them.

      Only the description of Jack Tarrance fully fits in BD, Zodiac and Cooper criteria. Neither Gaikowski, nor any of the other “darling” suspects fits the criteria. And…the opposition to including Tarrance on that list as been systematic and fierce. BTW, that was a 2009 documentary where they tried to force fit Gaikowski. Jack Tarrance’s background and self-education, as well as his specialties fully fits. His whereabouts fits, his cars fit. His handwriting fits. His activities, like dipping his hands in acid, fits. The list of inclusive evidence for Tarrance, makes the inclusion of all of the other suspects look ridiculous. Hodel especially so. Otherwise, his some, Steve Hodel did a fairly good job on the documents that link BD and Zodiac. He painted himself into a corner with trying to force fit his father as the Zodiac killer. Sorry Steve, but that’s the truth.

      Again, the BD Cooper hints, yes BD, not DB, speak volumes it terms of where I’m at and what can point to. But, the SKY MARSHALLS envelope is truly a smoking gun of linkage to the Ramsey ransom note. Hence “the journal,” I talk about.

      • Terry Battcher says:

        Type-o, otherwise his “son,” Steve Hodel…etc

      • Daniel Meyers says:

        Terry, We could very soon know who the Zodiac killer was. DNA from the Zodiac killer was sent to be tested and they are going to try and find him the same way they found the Golden State Killer.

  11. Gypsy23 says:

    The Zodiac case is as big as the Cooper mystery. Take your pick, Nicky.

  12. I think Zodiac is a much bigger case, because it involves families who suffered terrible tragedy at the hands of a complete wacko. Cooper is more of a ‘cutesy’ case, the story of a guy who ripped off ‘The Man’ and disappeared. A lot of folks (sort of) admire Cooper for having the guts and the absolute gall to take his chances out of a moving jet and trusting a chute given to him by the same people who were trying to catch or kill him. I would say he’s reached cult hero status.

    I will tell you the hijacker I actually admire, and that’s Catherine Kerkow. She actually thumbed her nose at the US government and got away with it. They will NEVER find her LOL. If you haven’t read the book ‘The Skies Belong to Us – Love and Terror in the Golden Age of Hijacking,’ I highly recommend it. It’s up on my shelf along with Bruce’s book, and the fictional Ha Ha Ha, and a few others.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      RMB said, Quote: I think Zodiac is a much bigger case, because it involves families who suffered terrible tragedy at the hands of a complete wacko. Cooper is more of a ‘cutesy’ case, the story of a guy who ripped off ‘The Man’ and disappeared. A lot of folks (sort of) admire Cooper for having the guts and the absolute gall to take his chances out of a moving jet and trusting a chute given to him by the same people who were trying to catch or kill him. I would say he’s reached cult hero status. Unquote:

      That’s pretty much the common perception of the Zodiac killer…that he was a complete wacko. However, in contrast to that are many thing that show that whomever he was, he was pretty methodical, plotting and intelligent. After 7-8 years of study and review, I’ve developed a “take” on this person and what he was most likely all about. The posted Wikipedia article that I’ve seen has a pretty good basic overview of the Zodiac cases, but they’re missing some basic things that need bearing in mind.

      Before I post a list of these noteworthy points, let me point out that I had saved the reading of Robert Graysmith’s books for last, because it was being reported that he was a liar. I dispute that he was an out and out liar, but I admit that Graysmith posted a few key things that would have been hard for me to prove or disprove, but these same things were accepted by key persons related to the victims, as being true. So, I never caught Graysmith lying, even he thought that Arthur Leigh Allen was directly involved. I’ve never seen any hard evidence that ALA was actively involved in the Zodiac activities. Interesting tidbits…yes, evidence no. However, ALA was a pedophile and thereby a probable linkage angle.

      Basic things to bear in mind: 1) The whole “Zodiac” thing was fabricated after Darlene Ferrin was gunned down, leaving Mageau alive. 2) Betty Lou Jensen, victim of the first attack, bore a strong resemblance to second attack series victim, Darlene Jensen. 3) Darlene Jensen was stalked, and it’s fairly well established that she had witnessed a murder. 4)The third attack, or Lake Berryessa victims Brian Hartnell and Cecilia Shepard, had the emergence of the ominous executioners hood, with the Zodiac’s cross hairs symbol on it. Hartnell survived, Shepard died. Shepard had the hell stabbed out of her, Hartnell received non-fatal wounds. Had Hartnell died, no reports of the ominous executioners hood would have been happened. 5) Only one suspect ever named had a description that was fully compatible with all sightings, and especially so in the forth in the series of attacks on cabbie Paul Stine, as seen by two cops, and that description fits the exact description of Jack Tarrance. 6) Directly after the SFPD announced that they had a palm print on the suspect, Tarrance dipped his hands in acid up to his wrists! 7) The whole Zodiac bullshit was a huge cash cow feeding frenzy for the media jackals, just like Black Dahlia was in 1947 and the Ramsey case was in 1997. 8) All of these and other linked cases had lots of very cryptic and taunting messages, with lots of peculiar and specific details of linkage on them.

      I have a lot more points I can make, but the list above contains some very basic facts which need bearing in mind. Amazingly, the Cooper FBI file documents act like a long piece of rope or cord that cinches these cases together! They contain information that is far to specific for a person such as myself to have conjured up! I bullshit no one!

      • Terry Battcher says:

        Bruce Smith’s opening into quote: Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters. Hence, the tensions are real and persistent. Their back-and-forth can be tedious, yet the bickering continues for it seems to serve some very deep needs. Unquote.

        Blevins is now willfully ignoring my last message and talking and side showing D-rings.

        The main takeaways from my summary of points about the Zodiac killer cases are:1) To show that Darlene Ferrin was stalked and murdered, hence a REAL motive. 2) The Deep State’s fake news network steers the whole Zodiac killer bullshit afterwords with the Lake Berressa attacks, with the ominous executioners hood, hence a coverup, hence a strong hint as to who was actually behind the Zodiac killer series bullshit to begin with.

        Noteworthy is the FACT that there have been an ongoing series of efforts to prematurely and wrongfully eliminate Jack Tarrance as a vial suspect from the get-go. Those same efforts speak volumes.

        Now review the Sept 2016 ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey’ aired by CBS and produced by Critical Content. Do you see the pattern of criminal activity that’s been taking place?

        Do you see all of the networks of TV and magazines that these same criminals control? Do you think that President Trump will truly be able to “drain the swamp?” Did you know that many of Trump’s supporters were from labor and farming? AFL-CIO indeed!

        Do you see the pattern of criminal activity that took place with and following the JFK assassination? Have you seen what Jack Ruby said about himself when he was left to rot in jail?

        Did you know that tall buildings hold large volumes of water in their penthouse’s, which act as water towers and aid in fire suppression? Do you believe that trash can fires can bring down buildings like the twin towers in about an hour of so? With massive amounts of gray steam poring out of them? With people trapped above the impact zone, standing in water up to their knees, a FACT which was suppressed by these same bastards?! Quirky?

      • Terry Battcher says:

        Correction…viable suspect, (even though he was vial, as well).

  13. Just Jo says:

    How do I read the past post prior to this day.

    • brucesmith49 says:

      Not exactly sure what you mean, Jo, but you can read the first 1,000 posts that were posted on the previous DB Cooper article. The link is in the above story.

  14. Just Jo says:

    The D Rings were NOT required for emergency chutes – why the two chute sent from the other man did not have D. Rings – he was a pilot and he had to carry chutes in the event the plane malfunctioned and they had to leave the plane….so D rings not required but most had them any way. OLD none jumper woman just explained the D rings -and why Cooper chose the chutes he did.

  15. Gypsy23 says:

    What Jo is saying is that Cooper didn’t at first recognize the NB8 as a bailout rig. No D rings needed. What Cooper did recognize is the military style chute, and grabbed it.

  16. I am working on an article right now that should address all the chute questions once and for all. I’m basing it on the available FBI evidence and my interview with Norman Hayden. (Will take a few days to complete, cause it’s complicated folks) 🙂

    But a partial answer is that the chutes owned by Norman Hayden…they would not require D-rings because of the way he used them. He would NEVER have worn a reserve chute, and only wore a main grudgingly due to the new rules sent down about stunt flyers back then. (They changed the rules so that sport flyers like Hayden HAD to wear one chute while doing stunts.) That’s why he bought his chutes in the first place, but he had absolutely no intention of EVER attaching a reserve to one.

  17. FYI additional: Hayden has seen FBI agent John Detlor’s report on the chute ownership and deliveries. He has a copy of it framed in his office. Says it is completely, 100% accurate, except they left out the part that he had an agreement with Northwest Airlines that HIS chutes were being RENTED to the airline only. That’s how he got that one chute back from the FBI later, and donated it to the WA State History Museum.

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Robert, the NB8 is a NAVY chute designed for emergency bailout. It was not designed to be mated to a front pack. Highly reliable. Cooper figured this out and used the spare front canister for packing the money.

      • Or…he may have disconnected the harness and container from the chute he jumped with, and used the container to haul out the cash. This would look better than walking down the road carrying a bank bag with leather handles, same type that armored car guards carry into banks. 🙂

  18. Johnnie Greene says:

    and to be more technical the NB8 is a container with harness, and 28 foot diameter flat nylon canopy with 28 Gore’s. Saw one on eBay for $150.

  19. I don’t want to speculate on why Cooper picked the chute he did. Brother, I have gotten myself in a boatload of trouble making suggestions on that. I will tell you one thing though. Since he popped the ripcord on one of the sport models FIRST, and cut lines from THAT before actually putting on a chute, this tells you he made his decision on which one before he pulled out that pocketknife.

    I’m getting a lot of emails and Facebook messages asking me to do another discussion forum. Apparently, people miss Quickie Updates and camping posts. They don’t care about the rest. I have to say no on this one. I’m not going there a (2nd, 3rd?) okay maybe 4th time. It’s a nice thought but I can’t face it. 🙂

  20. Johnnie Greene says in part: “Saw one on eBay for $150.”

    Hock something if you have to and buy that sucker if its complete.

  21. I apologize for the triple-post, (it’s late but thank God no work tomorrow) but that NB8 chute is at eBay here:

    It’s $150 with a whopping $78 bucks shipping. Ripcord might need replacement. Still a good deal if it is complete.

  22. Johnnie Greene says:

    It would be a relic to own. Haul it around to parties. Wonder who signed the riggers card? Cossey? If so, then big bucks.

  23. Johnnie Greene says:

    It could be used in the movie. Wonder if there is an old 727 on eBay? Lol.

  24. Johnnie Greene says:

    [It was manufactured in Sept 74. Cooper was already 3 yrs into hiding.

  25. Nicky says:

    Over at shutters website their talking about the lake elsinore paracenter report that was in the 302’s. Does anybody know if the report mentioned who they talked to over at the LE dropzone thinking about talking to the guy if he is still alive and in the area,



  26. Lake Elsinore stuff: Go to Dropzone and ask someone there. That place is mentioned at the DZ all the time.

  27. Hmm…movie producers we’re working with must be moving on something. Just got a request asking for a ton of documents and pictures in different formats, and in high-resolution. Some they have had already for a while, but not in what you would call ‘4K’ screen size, which is what they’re asking for. That’s going to keep me busy this weekend. I have a feeling something is finally breaking on the film. It’s about time. They’ve had the option for sixteen months, and if goes to another January, they will have to pay me a helluva lot more than they did LAST January. (contract stuff) And they have told me it probably won’t come to that.

    Pretty exciting. I could ask them what’s going on, but it’s better to just give them what they want and not ask questions at this point. Two weeks ago, they messaged me with: “We should have something for you soon…” Fine. I’m the kind of guy who would rather wait for solid news than speculating on this situation right now, although I know they were able to secure a partnership with another studio to do the picture.

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      That NB8 Robert found on eBay just got sold. Pretty quick. I guess Bruce’s site gets more traffic than we all thought.

  28. Nah. It’s just been relisted is all. Link at the top of the page there leads to the new listing. Same chute. His price is good on the chute, but the 78 buck shipping is ridiculous. Common tactic at eBay.

    • Blevins, I actually found your answer on Quara to be a little bit interesting. I had never heard of Kerkow and that part of your answer was interesting. But I disagree with your notion that “Cooper got away with it”. Without knowing his fate, which we do not, then we can’t really say that. Second, if Cooper survived, the Tena Bar money is good evidence that he lost the money. So, he would fall in with the other group that you described as having died or lost the money. I know you don’t want to accept that, as it would hurt your Kenny story, but it is what it is.

      • Well, I guess my secret is out. You found out where I really hang on the internet. More than a half-million views to my answers to questions posed by nice folks says a lot.

        There is no use in me trying to discuss the case, or provide further details publicly, to anyone who hangs out at Cooper Heaven. It is going nowhere, and will never go anywhere. It is the immovable object versus the irrestible force. It is left Twix and right Twix, or maybe ‘never the ‘twain shall meet’. The gap is far too large, the differences too profound.

        One side is totally convinced KC wasn’t the guy, while the other is convinced he probably was. One side has tossed out insults in adfinitum and thinks they can publish whatever they wish, while the other gets penalized for responding. This is why I did not bother with a third, (maybe a fourth or fifth, who knows?) version of a discussion site. One side believed they were the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper, but rejected all offers to be included in the first-ever movie on Cooper. As far as internet differences, it is almost historical.

        As far as the Tina Bar money, you will never get me to believe it ended up there by falling out of the sky accidentally from a jet that was at least six miles east of where it was found. We have been around and around on that one for years. In my mind, the evidence does not point to just ‘losing’ the money. I made several good (I thought) points on why, and all were either ridiculed or ignored. The theory that the FBI was plain wrong on the flight path is simply the easy way out of a complex situation. ‘Let’s just move the plane a few miles, and that will explain everything…’ is what I see in that theory.

        My belief on how the money arrived at Tina Bar is more complex, and actually more HUMAN. I think it happened a few years after the hijacking, not during the hijacking. I think it was an effort to throw off the cops when the cops decided to play their little game on Cooper in Portland in 1976. That’s why they never found a body, a briefcase, a parachute, (unless you think the Amboy chute was his chute, and that’s over the flight path anyway) or any shred of evidence right up to the present day.

        I’ve been accused of a lot of things that either have to do with this case, and some that don’t, (*he never took a bullet fragment in the arm…never got washed out past Ozette Island for days, etc*) but I’ve never been accused of being dumb. 🙂

  29. It’s a simple concept really. Any turn that severe would have been noticed by Cooper. See the map at Imgur dot com. I imagine he would have picked up the interphone and said: “Where the eff are you GOING?”

    • Terry Battcher says:

      Part of a Blevins post is, quote: “It is left Twix and right Twix, or maybe ‘never the ‘twain shall meet’.” Unquote.

      ‘The Twain Shall Meet’ is the title of an interesting and uncanny episode of ‘Wanted, Dead or Alive.’ This is more evidence that Blevins has been reading my postings. Blevin then proclaims, quote: “The gap is far too large, the differences too profound.”

      The over-all evidence shows that the Cooper UNSUB survived the jump. Let’s not forget that a army of people gleaned that area after the jump…had there been a corpse, the dogs would have found it. The high impact of a human body leaves distinctive traces that dogs are not gonna miss, even if the impact is on water. Furthermore and again, the post Cooper jump documents show inside crime scene knowledge that probably only the Cooper UNSUB knew. I say “probably” for several good reasons.

      Blevins undermines his own credibility with several faulty, false and arrogant authoritative proclamations.

      BTW, the episode of ‘The Twain Shall Meet’, conveys several messages, one of which strongly hints which foreign forces have there fingers in the big American pie and business in general.

      • Gypsy23 says:

        And to relate back to Parrot’s post above, I am a little suspicious of the 540,000 view Blevins boasts of. Is there a way to roll the view meter forward a few hundred thousand turns? Most tangential posts are only in the low 1000 range. Something phoney going on.

  30. Gypsy says: “And to relate back to Parrot’s post above, I am a little suspicious of the 540,000 view Blevins boasts of. Is there a way to roll the view meter forward a few hundred thousand turns? Most tangential posts are only in the low 1000 range. Something phoney going on…”

    Robert says: No plot, no phony view meter. All stats are done by Quora dot com, not users, and are legit. What happens is that if your answers are popular at Quora, they sometimes forward them on to thousands of users at a time. I have over 100 followers and have answered nearly 400 questions there. That will definitely get the traffic. Whaddaya want? I’m popular there. 🙂

    As far as Cooper, I think I’ve answered about a dozen questions in that category. I usually get two or three email requests a day on a particular question. It’s not magic, just a Q and A site.

  31. parrotheadvol says:

    Robert, how do you know what Cooper would have noticed and how he would have reacted. These are merely more assumptions by you, based on nothing.

  32. “Robert, how do you know what Cooper would have noticed and how he would have reacted. These are merely more assumptions by you, based on nothing…”

    Took me a minute to figure out what you were actually asking about. You are referring to the actual flight out of Seattle. Ever been on an airliner that makes a turn partway through the flight, even a gradual one? Even a SLIGHT change in course?

    It’s pretty noticeable. The location of the placard PROVES that Flight 305 was on the course detailed on the FBI’s online map. In order to put the jet over Tina Bar south of that point, you would have to make a starboard turn in a reletively short amount of time. Nothing about R99’s theory about the Tina Bar money comes close to fitting the known facts. It’s a convenient theory invented to explain the money, but frankly…does a very poor job of explaining anything about it.

    Not that it matters, but I’ve been flying out of SeaTac to Reno and SkyHarbor in Phoenix for many years. I have reletives in Vegas, Reno, and the Phoenix area. None of the flights I ever took to those cities went along the Columbia anywhere near Tina Bar. They crossed over the river in Portland, to the EAST of Interstate 5. You can see the freeway for quite a ways going south, and it’s always out there on your right. Always.

  33. “You can see the freeway for quite a ways going south, and it’s always out there on your right. Always.”

    When you leave SeaTac Airport, you soon cross over the interstate not long after takeoff. Then you move further east and can’t see it anymore. You are heading SSE. Then you get so far east you can’t see it again until you get closer to Portland. But at no time do you EVER cross back over that freeway. It is always going to be on your RIGHT. Tina Bar is a few miles WEST of the freeway.

  34. My apologies for triple posting, (too bad there is no editing function on comments) but what R99 proposes is that Flight 305 did a Wrong-Way Corrigan right turn to cross over the interstate and fly over Tina Bar….

    And then decided to make a LEFT turn to get back on course for Reno. Frankiy, it’s ridiculous. The jet did arrive in Reno, you know. Try tracing that crazy course on a map sometime and see what you get. Doesn’t make a bit of sense and is miles out of the corridor.

  35. shutter45 says:

    people often speak as passengers vs pilots. cooper should have been on the intercom a little after 7:59. that’s when they turn to line backup with V23 which starts a easterly turn. two heavy rolls are needed to follow the FBI flight path. now, from the Maylay intersection it wouldn’t require any turns. many people mistake flying like they are driving. the map doesn’t really show you how the plane actually fly’s..some heavy rolls are where most think it’s just a turn. from the Maylay intersection is only a couple degree’s west to line up with the Columbia and would go unnoticed by just about anyone.

    Flight 305 was granted any airspace they desired. V23 was picked due to the elevation problems close to Reno with the mountains. no, you will not fly along the Columbia during many flights, but those didn’t include a hijacker.

    I’m not sold on R99’s theory either as it needs a whole lot more proof. shooting it down before all the pieces are in place doesn’t help. it makes sense to fly away from populated area’s but a lot of evidence supports the known flight path..

    Cooper received no updates, it was dark with heavy cloud coverage. since he didn’t ask how they were getting there he wouldn’t be wondering why a turn happens. nobody flying out of Seattle would have a flight path as they present this path either..

    The biggest problems I had on the simulator was the time frames between the Lewis river and the Columbia..the timing is off by over a minute and more heavy rolls that make no sense can’t see them on the map.

  36. shutter45 says:

    Major Dan Dawson, senior director of the 25th NORAD out of McChord AFB also claims a different story..his conclusion was “he hit with one helluva thump, either in the river or close to it” Dawson was there in 1971..the article was made soon after the money was found..

  37. shutter45 says:

    you never know…maybe something will come up tomorrow 🙂

  38. One reason I just can’t buy the ‘flew over Tina Bar’ scenario is the condition of the found bills. I think if they had been out in the elements for nine years, the only thing left of them would have been mushy green and white oatmeal, if that.

    My personal belief, and it’s only a theory, is that the money was somehow a ruse done after November 24, 1975 when the FBI obtained their John Doe warrant. That was all over the Northwest TV news when they did that. It was a big deal, because not long prior, some TV news stations ran stories about the approaching statute of limitations. Then that idea just vanished for Cooper. But instead of the bills being found in a short time, they sank to the bottom of the river and were later dredged to the place they were eventually found. The shards show that the money almost HAD to end up there through the dredging process.

  39. Correction: November 24….1976.

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      To some extent I agree with Robert’s post regarding the westward turn by a jet and being noticed by a passenger. I’ve felt that too. According to FBI, flight 305 flew a dogleg around PDX
      But only slightly to the west not far out to Tina Bar.
      Also, Georger claims that someone named Janet saw the jet fly over Vancouver and Cooper jumped out there. I think Georger’s theory is correct.

      • “Also, Georger claims that someone named Janet saw the jet fly over Vancouver and Cooper jumped out there. I think Georger’s theory is correct…”

        Not Georger’s theory. A report by Galen C. See the original article. (and if you believe that story, I have some beachfront property in Kansas you might be interested in. 🙂 )

        My apologies, but that story became non-believable the minute Janet claimed a Man in Black came to her door and made threats. ‘Janet’ is not actually identified, as well.

  40. “Grand Rapids-based Principia Media says Cooper was a former military paratrooper named Walter R. Reca — the latest in a long string of people to be publicly linked to the crime over the years.”

  41. I guess I’m the only one who can find anything on this suspect. This is what I found:

    Age 38 at the time of the hijacking. Was a member of the 82nd Airborne.

    Obit reads: Walter was born on September 20, 1933 and passed away on Monday, February 17, 2014. Walter was a resident of Oscoda, Michigan.

  42. parrotheadvol says:

    Blevins says of Robert99’s theory: It’s a convenient theory invented to explain the money, but frankly…

    Then he says that he thinks: “that the money was somehow a ruse done after November 24, 1975 when the FBI obtained their John Doe warrant”.

    So how is Blevins theory not a convenient theory invented to explain the money?

    As far as the new suspect goes, I’ll hold out judgement until I hear more, but right now I’m not buying it. If they are going to explain what he did with the money, as I read earlier, then he’s not the guy. Copper, if he even survived, lost the money.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      Smart crime, dumb ransom demand speaks volumes about the Cooper caper. Note also the rather screwy demand of “negotiable bills” (or whatever the exact phrasing was?). The ransom demand is a joke. Had anyone spent those bill, they’d have left a trail. A smart ransom demand would have meant money deposited into a foreign account that, in turn, forwarded into a country less friendly to the US. Furthermore, Cooper UNSUB could have then warned Northwest not to intercept the money via the FBI, or he’d return and blow up the plane or damage the plane.

      My view is that the ransom demand was meant to ultimately taunt everyone and anyone that wasn’t smart enough to realize that the ransom would NOT be “negotiable bills.”

      That whole area of the drop zone was gleaned by an army, no corpse, no chute. Human corpse scent is an easy find for dogs. One unrelated corpse found in Lake Merwin later on, shows that the search was thorough.

      The Tena Bar money location and evidence is another screwy business. The basic evidence doesn’t jibe to that location….meaning human intervention puts it there.

      I’m probably “preaching to the choir” parrotheadvol and I don’t mean to be condescending, it’s just that Blevins appears to be poised to bury this thread too with is endless and dominating filibuster of garbage.

      Tena bar goes nowhere fast , so why not set it aside, let it alone and discuss the things that have a better chance of making a difference? Blevins willfully disregards basic certain case facts, that = lying. Deception IS lying. “Twain shall meet,” indeed!

  43. Tina Bar money? How do you know he lost it? Aren’t you forgetting about the OTHER $194,200 (appproximately) they DIDN’T find on the Columbia? Explaining the money is pretty difficult, but just moving the aircraft west a few miles certainly isn’t a good theory IMHO. Where is the body, the chute, the briefcase, the remainder of the money? How was more than one bundle of the cash found in the same spot miles from the jet? Even if Cooper went into the Columbia over Portland, it’s a pretty big stretch to think more than a single bundle would be found in the same exact spot miles downriver? Do you believe the money was exposed to the elements for over nine years? That would be a requirement if he lost the money. Tom Kaye and his team didn’t think it had been out that long. Neither do I.

    Side Note: I keep getting emails about the AB Forum. People want it to return. Gayla and Greg don’t. I answered a few of the emails and said, “Not speaking on the Cooper case would be a numero uno requirement…we have WordPress for that…” 🙂 I dunno.

    New suspect? I would like to see the book. Ordered yesterday from Amazon.

  44. parrotheadvol says:

    Yes, I do believe that all of the money has been out there in the elements since the hijacking. Absolutely. I believe it was all there and some of it wound up on Tena Bar. What is more likely, that the Tena Bar money find represents all of the money out there that could possibly be found OR that the Tena Bar money was just a small part of what was out there? Statistically, I would think the latter is the case.

    In other words, it’s hard to find a needle in a haystack. But put 500 needles in that same haystack and it’s much easier to find one needle. I think that is what the Tena Bar money is – just a small part of what was in the Columbia.

  45. shutter45 says:

    when nobody puts any comments on a forum you have Facebook, wordpress etc. to do the very samething….websites also don’t require any comments…

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Lol. The new suspect makes Christianson suddenly look credible.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      Where’s the merit and foundation for this guys “take” on the Cooper case? Why does this particular publisher get MSM press attention without even offering up any evidence whatsoever? This story was from back in 2008! Ten years ago already! It shows you just how sloppy of liars the Deep State/fake news press cabal has become lately.

      I’ll tell you why…it’s because they wanna bury the truth about the Cooper case, try to keep it a mystery, flex their muscle of control over the press and sucker people into buying a book that has no merit. If it did have any merit, why wasn’t it sold 10 years ago?

  46. First, it’s not fair to continue to discuss Christiansen. Not by me, anyway. The reason is: AB of Seattle, in coop with the two companies we are working with at present…are forced to keep certain information secret for the upcoming film. So for me to claim *for sure* he was Cooper is not fair to YOU, or anyone else in the public for that matter. Everyone’s opinion at AB and down south in LA is basically the same. We wait, We let the movie present our case and see what falls out of the woodwork. The Agent Jarvis and Bentz evidence goes into the film. That part I like, because sooner or later…someone is going to have to answer for that. And they WILL. Those statements, that situation with Jarvis…well, someone must be held accountable for that. It’s iike that old line from Desi Arnaz: “Luuuucy….you got some ‘splainin’ to do!” No kidding.

    Parrothead says in part: “Yes, I do believe that all of the money has been out there in the elements since the hijacking. Absolutely. I believe it was all there and some of it wound up on Tena Bar…” etc.

    Fair enough. This theory does present some problems though. Hell…ANY DAMN theory on the Tina Bar money presents problems. I’ve always said that the finding of the money actually created more questions than it actually answered.

    Shutter: Our WordPress on Cooper took a huge leap today in traffic, probably fallout from people Googling Cooper on the Reca suspect stuff today. Over 800 hits and 200 visitors. I’m getting a fair number of emails from people who aren’t necessarily Cooper fans, but who say they miss ‘Quickie Updates’ at the AB Forum, and the camping stuff we were posting up. The main AB site has been around for 12 years, and people apparently would hit the link to the AB Forum from there, or maybe the links at Facebook etc. I dunno. I actually set up another forum, but haven’t made it public. If I release it, there won’t be a shred of Cooper there. Not a whisper, not a peep of him or KC. I actually DO believe YOUR site at the DB Cooper Forum dot com should be the discussion site for the case, not some forum hosted by AB. As a control, it’s also good that there is some secondary discussion here at Bruce’s place. And anything WE do on the Cooper case should be restricted to WordPress. I think this is the best way all around to avoid more problems in the future.

    I don’t know about you…but personally I am tired and fed up with all the Cooper Vortex fighting crap. I have a car to restore that I stand to make a few thousand dollars on, and not a whole long time to do it. I have obligations coming up soon for the Cooper film. I have a regular job, although I am partially retired on that now. I work weekends for a nice senior lady, and maybe three days during the week. I’m trying to finish my autobiography, ‘Cooperland,’ and I can’t wrap that until they release the film…the damn list goes on and on. I have to start picking my goals, so to speak, and some stuff I need to cut from my life. Arguing over the Cooper case is one of them.

  47. “I work weekends for a nice senior lady, and maybe three days during the week…” (three days during the week means my regular job)

    “I have to start picking my goals, so to speak, and some stuff I need to cut from my life. Arguing over the Cooper case is one of them…” (Or worrying about what is posted elsewhere on Cooper or KC.)

    • Gypsy23 says:

      Robert, you have just provided the fuel for the ultimate question: why do the rest of us damn fools care a hoot about the DB Cooper case?

      • Well…I can’t answer that. I wouldn’t call Cooper fans fools, no. (Okay, maybe one or two LOL). I think it’s obvious I’ve taken my part in this whole crazy thing as far as I can. Even though Geoff Gray’s publishing company, Crown Books, was able to sell the movie option, they never made the movie. It’s like that old line from Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 when they asked him why his upcoming moon mission was the last one he would do for NASA:

        “I can’t imagine topping that…” he said in the movie.

        It’s the same thing here. We’re either right or wrong, and either way it goes, I’m certainly not leaping off the Narrows Bridge on the results. One thing people will always have to admit is that we tried, and we tried HARD to make sense of the whole thing. We made mistakes galore along the way, that’s for sure. But I think we have the best possible package presented now. Report is public, has been downloaded thousands of times. Movie coming. Book is only semi-accurate, but that was based on 2009-2010 information and it led us in other directions afterward, some of which were interesting indeed.

        There’s nothing else I can do. I think the appeal of Cooper is that he simply stuck it to the Man, the FBI, the airline, the insurance company, and was never found. Some people say he was killed in the jump. Most of those people don’t live in the Northwest. I think something would have turned up by now. But nothing ever did except some unexplained money on a riverbank.

  48. Ms Cooper says:

    I just watched the suspect others have – and NO WAY. That man was NOT Cooper.
    The money or part of it was put in a shed somewhere near the DALLES and in a shed that leaked…When Duane move the furniture there had been a leak…so the money hidden there had been damaged so he disposed of it a few days later in 1978 if that is the correct date…We went to a convention in Seattle. Duane asked the President of the company how badly they were hurt but the storm and flood in a past incident…the man said they were still using the ferry to get to the main land in Seattle….The man was curious as to how Duane knew so much about Wa. Seemed to raise an eyebrow.

    Duane disappeared the afternoon before we left Seattle – he was late returning and did not get back until he had barely time to change clothes for the banquet. I asked where he had been and he said visiting with an old friend who had an office in a building not far from where the hotel was…I forget the name of the hotel…He mentioned a name that I have long forgotten but in my early writing I did state the name…it was Swedish and pronouced on one and written another way….I believe it was Alana but not spelled the way it sounded.

    After we left Seattle Duane took me to a few places on our way to Tena’s Bar…and at that point I was instructed to STAY in the car….and that is how the money got on Tena’s bar…When he got back in the car he moved a Paper bag to the middle of the floor board and I asked what it was – he said some trash he was going to get rid of at our next stop – which happened to be a motel at the base of the bridge to Or. No longer remember the name now…but Bruce and I had Dinner at the new motel there when I went out to WA. The old hotel had a checking room to the left with an opening into the back – but Duane sent me to the right and told me where he snacks were and the restrooms.

    When I went back to the opening and out to the back – Duane was standing on the pilings looking down the river…and I asked what he was doing…his reply ‘Watching that bag float down the river”.
    I hit the ceiling as I could not see it and checked the Barrels – they were all empty – so he really did throw the bag and its contents into the river….I could not see the bag but he pointed out were it was…it was our of my site…but as he pointed it was not going down the Wa side but was way out in the water to the South side….he tried to explain the river to me and the flow…why I do not know.

    Then 5 months later the money is found on Tena’s bar and Duane suddenly is leaving my daughter and myself in Colorado and that he would send for us later….We had a Caddy at that time but he traded that for the Olds after we got back to Colorado…

    When the money was found he announced he was going to got see about a job in the EAST…we were making good money. But he left my daughter and I in CO and she finished the School yr and he came back for her graduation – he was driving another new car…he said the Olds had some problems – it was BRAND NEW.

    He quizzed my daughter on the coach and his wife…same name as one of the stewardess had married….;he did not stay very long and left the next morning to go back to the east after making arrangement for my daughter and I and a van and a help driver….who was a young man who was supposedly the son of a friend ….who shared he driving of the van. We were towing my car.

    The young man was joining a group that was going to some hiking in the N.E. area – I forget the name of the trail.

    Old story but answers the money on Tena’s bar and the fragments found…only 5 months later.
    Why did Duane leave SO fast – he was gone 10 days after the money find…That money was damaged when he retrived in someplace near The DALLES not more than a 2 hour drive away.
    The truth died with Duane and the rest of the story is going to die with me – but, I know that he was Dan Cooper – not on iota of a doubt..

    When I get there he will be waiting for me with that grin on his face – his best friend and I will probably get there about the same time.. as Bill and I are close in age – Duane was older.
    I wish he had recorded our song “You’ll Never Know if YOU Don’t know now” – He had a beautiful voice and he sang like a professional use of hands and move and all…he was a good husband and a good father and his story will live on even after I am gone.

    Someday – a day I hope comes before I leave this earthly body – the truth will be known…but with all of the WANNABES out there – will probably never happen. The truth is buried under all of the theories and multiple people who want to be the ones to tell their story – even though they KNOW they are lieing – the worse of which is the one who promotes Kenny.

    Not doing well these days – but hope to live to see the truth told but that will take a miracle or 2 or 3 or 4. I know the truth – but I do not know the entire story…Duane told me about the man named Alana and about the woman who became a man (Duane’s sister even sent him a pic of this woman – man) while we were living in Virginia…that photo and the others disappeared in Alabama after we had a flood on the lower level of the house we lived in.

    Don’t be too cruel…as long as I can – I will try to read what is out there – but not for long – each day gets more and more difficult – my only prayer is that I know the truth before my time comes but as Bill has told me – we will know when we see him again….and that is up there some where – but unfortunately I don’t have the faith Bill has – when we die we just die & there is no spirit or other world beyond us….we live only in the memories of others.

  49. Ms Cooper says:

    Bruce fix my spelling and grammar – to tired to do it. Love all of ya – even if you don’t believe one word I say – I know that I have told the truth and nothing but the truth….at this time I find it difficult to beileve there is another life after this one.

    • TC says:

      Jo, we love your assertiveness. You went from skyjack71 to Just Jo then to Ms Cooper. I thought Christianson was gay and never married. Someone needs to call billsh*t on either you or Blevins.

      • People have called ‘baloney’ on me LOTS of times. It’s a long line. You’ll have to find a spot in the back. I just point them to the downloadable report on Christiansen at the main AB site, the DB Cooper Info Page at the same place, the YouTube videos, and the twenty articles at WordPress.

        Or they can ask questions of me, (PRIVATELY via email or at Quora dot com) and I am happy to answer. It’s no big secret, no mystery, no anonymity. 🙂 Works very well.

  50. Ms Cooper says:

    TC I do not know who you are…Christianson was Gay and he never married. I used different email names and the AOL thing has them all screwed up….I have not tried to figure it out…I just go with whatever is there….,,I do not know who you are or why you made the statement above…
    I was Skyjack71 on the site that got shut down…and Just Jo on other sites and I have used the MsCooper many times….there is no BULLSHIT in my story…it is all the the honest to GOD things I remember…I have made nothing up – and if I speculated – I so stated that I thought or could have been…but mostly it is what I know…my memory is getting bad but if you will point out what you are staying and what you mean I will try to answer you…

  51. I have reviewed the available material on the latest suspect in the case, Reca or whatever. No comment, I will leave that to others. Book should be here in a few days, but I figure it’s just coming to add to my Cooper book collection. No comments on that either, but I will read it just out of curiosity on my next camping trip, which is coming in mid-June.

    I had a few Amazon gift cards laying around from last Christmas, so what the heck. I used part of one to pick up the book. 🙂 My guess is that it would have been better served on another tarp.

  52. shutter45 says:

    Just open the forum Robert…you opened and closed it so many times before stating it was permanent so why stop suggestion was since no comments happen Facebook would be the simplest way for “quickie updates” ..same for WordPress…or even a page on your website..why open a discussion board if nobody comments except through email?

    I would of thought you would be on top of the new suspect to discuss with the producers. after all the headlines read like yours “The real Cooper found” …that could cause disruption while trying to prove someone else is Cooper. “The Real Cooper Found” conflicts with “The real Reason They Closed the Cooper case” both headlines have strong words (the real) but lack any real proof.

    I’m amazed that national coverage was so easy to get with a bunch of ridiculous claims such as Cooper not knowing what type of plane he was on, or the stew telling him to jump out the side door. you think R99’s theory is off…try 60 miles east of Seattle for the LZ. the parachute is right by the LZ under a few branches lol..some people will buy right into it though..why, because of the way it’s presented and lack of knowledge about the case. being gullible is a big factor as well..

    I wouldn’t doubt producers are contacting them as we speak…

  53. I will hold on the forum idea for now. Truth is, I got enough to do without having to watch a forum. It’s no big deal.

    As far as the Reca information, I ordered the book. I’m not making any judgments until I read it. As far as the article on the Bentz information, ‘the real reason…” etc. that article was based on a great deal of verified witness testimony from three sources. I had to go public on something like that. It just sits out there like the gorilla in the room waiting for an explanation. When you name a current FBI agent on a story like that, sooner or later…something is going to give on it.

  54. shutter45 says:

    it’s hearsay..just like Walter Reca is doing telling his story on a tape recorded conversation..

    actually I’m calling a news reporter in a few minutes concerning that very issue..

    “Hey Dave – If you send me your number, I’d be happy to discuss what I think. I don’t have the time to type it all up.”

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      The press gets bored. There are only so many ways to continue the Trump witch hunt and the public is getting weary of it. So they dig up Cooper again. Another suspect, about ever two or so years. The case has legs. Christianson in 07, Marla in 2011, Colbert in 2016, and now Reca. While the case is a great distraction from divisive politics, the pool of suspects is getting wackier. What’s next? 90 year old suspect with full blown Alzheimer’s who remembers jumping out of lawn chair full of helium balloons and a bag full of 20’s?

  55. Hmm. Witch hunt? I was asked at Quora dot com why Mueller hasn’t yet brought an indictment against Trump after a year of investigation. This is what I answered:

    Reca and the book that originated from that story? I think the person who wrote the book failed to at least meet the minimum expectations required on matching the known facts of the hijacking. This isn’t the Cooper hijacking we’re talking about. Must be another Northwest Airlines hijacking LOL.

    • Gypsy23 says:

      Yeah, just like Robert Blevins had Capt. Scott walking back to meet DB Cooper and having a casual chat together in his book, “Blast.” Guess these are beyond the minimum requirements, eh Robert?

      • I suppose that would count…IF that were actually IN the book. It isn’t. It was something I mistakenly thought at one time, and it was quickly sqaushed at Dropzone. By the time the book was released in January 2011, I already knew better and it was not included.

  56. Gypsy: You may not realize this, but when people email me and ask for a copy of Blast in PDF, I just send it to them. Next time you want to quote from the book, maybe you should read it first. I will be happy to provide you a copy. adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail. 🙂

  57. Terry Battcher says:

    Before wasting time and money on the Walter Reca story, read the FOX news report and have your bullshit detector tuned up. The story is old news “created” back in 2008 by a Michigan based publisher. (“created”, their description, not mine.) The emergence of this story isn’t because the press gets “bored”, it’s pure propaganda, which is intended to to subliminally program the sheeple. It’s yet another desperate fake news attempt by the so-called “Deep State” cabal, and it clearly demonstrates their overreaching control of the MSM. FOX news was at least smart enough to use this specific title: ‘DB Cooper identified? Publisher says mystery hijacker was ex-paratrooper from Michigan,’ with the question mark in the opening header remark.

    The Ramsey case and the OCCK cases show a Michigan…. and especially a Detroit Michigan home base of these same fiends. The Lockheed Martin money and control angle is where to look for the true motive in the Ramsey case. Lockheed bought John Ramsey’s company Access Graphics. Access Graphics had done over one billion dollars in sales in 1996. Ramsey’s favorable business reputation that he had before the murder of his daughter, would have put him in good shape as a chief executive….someone didn’t want that to happen. Both the Ramsey case and the OCCK cases reek of police corruption.

    The Zodiac killer persona hinted repeatedly that “editors” and “police chiefs” are the main people that his associates had control over. He accentuated certain key words by intentionally misspelling them. Like “controol”(sp) for the word control.

    • shutter45 says:

      can you provide the link….I would like to post it on my forum…

      • Terry Battcher says:

        My yahoo mail service has been hacked so many times in the past, that I wouldn’t trust any link, either in sending or receiving. Use the title description and search it by that. I did notice that so far, it appears that Google is laying low on this latest Walter Reca nonsense.

        As far as the sites that seem to specialize and dominate Ramsey case information go, you again have to tune up bullshit detector on their information as well.

        For example, the claim that Ramsey’s company did a billion dollars in sales, is well established. When you start getting into other areas of the crime itself, that’s when you have to be very wary of what’s being said.

        I try to deal with information that the public can readily see and prove for themselves. In the Ramsey crime, the pineapple evidence can be something that a reader can get needlessly bogged down in. They need to set it aside, mainly because the cops hold all of the cards of evidence, and the public forum is filled with plenty of faulty speculation. If I speculate on anything, I will do so in the form of a question.

        From what I’ve all seen and read about the Tena bar money in the Cooper caper, it’s much the same way. From what I’ve read so far, I tend to side with those that claim that the Tena bar money find can only be explained by human intervention. However, I’m open to reviewing that whole business. For my current purposes, it’s a subject that I can set aside for the time being.

    • shutter45 says:

      Terry, they started the investigation in 2008. it’s the same publisher..

    • Gypsy23 says:

      Good report. TERRY.

  58. shutter45 says:

    The “public” is speaking out just as I thought they would…

    “Cant wait for the movie…starring Tom Cruise”
    “They should make a movie about this”
    “I think you have fantastic evidence!! This is so great and well done!! You may have actually solved the case of D.B Cooper.”
    “mystery of DB Cooper has been solved”

    some are now claiming the sketch is fake like the flight path..this is what happens when you have a REAL press conference if you want to gain attention..Hollywood “confidence is high”

  59. “Cant wait for the movie…starring Tom Cruise”
    “They should make a movie about this”
    “I think you have fantastic evidence!! This is so great and well done!! You may have actually solved the case of D.B Cooper.”
    “mystery of DB Cooper has been solved”

    Well, a few shill comments aren’t going to convince the general public of the validity of the information. As of this morning, there is only one review of the book at Amazon, and it isn’t even a review, but a weird sort of question. That’s because the book was only made available a day or two ago and anyone ordering the book would still have not received it. Maybe today…if you have Prime and two-day shipping, some buyers might start receiving copies.

    Shutter: If you post people’s comments like that, you should state your source. They didn’t come from Amazon, obviously. This publishing company might have held a press conference, but they certainly weren’t very organized on releasing the book. When Crown Books released the Geoff Gray book, they were smart enough to send out advance copies to reviewers prior to release. This is traditional for larger publishers, and in Gray’s case, worked very well. By the time the book was released at Amazon and elsewhere, there were already several solid reviews of the book in place by known folks. Some of them had pictures of the reviewers included, and some were done by prime reviewers (top 1000 or better) at Amazon. And although it didn’t stay there very long, only a week…Gray’s book did make the top 25 New York Times bestseller list. It was a pro job all the way.

    This Reca book was a bit of an amateurish effort for a release. But what sometimes happens is the book will get a lot of advance orders as it did this week, but they soon taper off, and then when people start actually READING the book…then you have to start watching for the shill reviewers (people who are associated with the publishing company or the author(s) to start posting glowing reviews.) I expect this will start happening pretty soon with the Reca book. But not only is Amazon cracking down on this stuff, but the reading public often sees right through shill reviews for what they are. Right now the Reca book is doing pretty well at Amazon, which will help the publishers recoup their costs, but my bet is that this won’t last long.

    This was the case with Bruce’s book, (people associated with the author doing reveiws) but at least these reviewers (Formans’, MartyA, 377, etc) identified themselves as knowing the author personally, which is at least honest. Nothing wrong with that at all. But watch for phony shill reviews to start appearing soon on the Reca book. It’s either that…or readers will realize how much of a BS story the Reca Fable is, and start saying why at Amazon.

    I can tell you from experience that it isn’t so easy to get a movie made from a Cooper book. Gray’s ‘Skyjack’ was sold for film back in 2012 to CBS Films. But CBS soon sold them over to Will Gluck’s (‘Friends With Benefits,’ ‘Annie,’) production company, and yet no film was ever made. Gray still received a fair amount of money for the option, no doubt of it, but no actual movie.

    Selling an option from a book to make a movie is only the first step. The production company holding the option must somehow obtain financing, and that costs millions of dollars both in production costs and marketing. Been there, done that. As some of you know, AB of Seattle has now received two option payments, the last of which was $2,500 to extend the option one additional year to January 2019. No official announcement yet on a start to production shooting, but we’re hoping. I have been urged to have patience, and was assured that if a third payment becomes necessary in 2019, the production company will gladly pay it.

    I suspect the Reca story is a load of baloney, but I will reserve final judgment until I actually read the book. Should arrive in the coming week. 🙂

  60. shutter45 says:

    no need to post where it came from…the whole thing is a joke. the comments are real and came from a reliable site (non cooper) it’s just a few of many…I doubt this thread will put a dent in the Reca story nor is it meant to…

    a real Hollywood producer with money won’t play around for years, they buy the rights and make the film…

  61. Quote and response: “no need to post where it came from…the whole thing is a joke. the comments are real and came from a reliable site (non cooper) it’s just a few of many…”

    Robert says: There is always a need to quote a source, if you have one. Maybe I should have left off Agent John Jarvis’ and Troy Bentz’ name from the WordPress article? 🙂

    “a real Hollywood producer with money won’t play around for years, they buy the rights and make the film…”

    Robert says: Your uninformed statement only shows you don’t know much about filmmaking. (Not that I am some big expert either, but even I know better than that.) Although some books do go almost directly from best seller to film, the majority of books optioned for film can take years to actually reach the big screen. The most famous example is probably the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which took twenty years in its 1978 version, and many more for the live-action Peter Jackson version.

    Two to five years on a modestly successful book, accompanied by four drawers stuffed with notes, pictures, and records on an investigation that lasted years…does not seem unreasonable. And it’s only been sixteen months since we signed for the movie. Have patience. I know it’s tough for you perhaps, but trust me…it’s tougher on us here at AB. But it’s better to be optioned than to NOT be. We try to remember that around here. And we’re trying to make it as easy for the producers as possible to sell the picture, cooperating with them fully, and holding Skype meetings occasionally.

    They may or may not actually make the movie. It’s always a crap shoot. In that case, I will accept the option payments as basically free money, and move on. But the ‘moving on’ part is nowhere around just yet. 🙂

  62. shutter45 says:

    Robert, actual Hollywood production companies, the ones you seek for money won’t play around with options..they but the rights and me what ever you wish..

    • I’m not calling you anything except uninformed.

      Unless you are Stephen King or something, it DOES take a while to bring a book to film. I could point out a few more famous examples, like Catch 22, which took nine years, and many others. But you could look all that up for yourself.

      The proof of the pudding is in the eating. It hasn’t been all that long since we signed, and it was only this last March when the production company we originally signed with partnered up with a second company to (possibly) do the picture. It’s best to be realisitic in these matters. Either they will make the film, or they won’t.

      Just like us, you’ll have to wait to find out. I’m okay with that.

  63. shutter45 says:

    you obviously have a low budget producer seeking a larger appears you now have point is if they have the money to do the film they won’t be running around looking for backing if they already have it….

    • You’re fishing now…

      Sorry, that information is confidential to most folks. My opinion is that you really know little about the film biz, even less than I do. The majority of feature films made today involve more than one production company, which is why they list two or three at the start of the movie. ‘A Paramount Picture….in association with Creative Arts Media…a Killjoy Film…etc.

      They are no longer ‘running around’ as you put it. They’re looking to cast, find a director, and a known screenwriter. And that’s all I can tell you. When the writer is hired, I will be working with him directly. Bruce and Marty A were being considered to assist on this, but they turned it down.

  64. shutter45 says:

    that’s my last comment to you…it never ends…

    • Never ends? I know this. You’ve pulled out all the stops, along with a few other folk, to try both fair and unfair means to discredit. Nothing you’ve tried has worked. Nothing you try WILL work. And that’s the part (my personal opinion) that upsets you.

      “How did this happen? We tried EVERYTHING>>>” 🙂

      Here’s why. I am not Jo Weber. That’s one reason.

  65. shutter45 says:

    Instigating…going off topic…Jo Weber style…

  66. shutter45 says:

    Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
    – BAS

    projecting one’s opinion onto another is a personal attack…

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Robert, the reason no movie has been made is because the producers want the TRUE story with a believable outcome. None yet exists. Certainly not from your tale about a homosexual man who worked for the airline he hijacked. That storyline is a complete joke. Sorry dude.
      Your’re not very persuasive. You struck out, pal.

  67. Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
    – BAS

    projecting one’s opinion onto another is a personal attack…”

    “…especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.

    Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters…”

    If you live in a glass house, tossing rocks at someone outside is ALWAYS a bad idea. 🙂

  68. Let me add something here. Most of you have said you want more public attention on the Cooper case. Finally…after 47 years…SOMEONE decides to do the first-ever feature film on the hijacking. But the reason nobody ever did, so far, is because they could not put an ending on the movie. No one wants to see another “he was never discovered” show on Cooper. So when an answer is finally presented, you don’t like the answer. Where did you expect the KC story was going to end up, folks? A 54-page report to the Seattle FBI that has been downloaded not just thousands, but TENS of thousands of times publicly. A YouTube video with 65,000+ views that runs an hour and a half. Twenty articles, all illustrated, for WordPress. A family finally coming forward, although I cannot fill you in completely on that. Allegations that a current senior FBI agent admits that case was really closed because they found out it was KC, and that he was dead anyway.

    I have not seen one positive thing mentioned in Cooperland regarding the movie, although I HAVE seen a lot of sniping and whining about it. GET OVER IT. Remain in denial if you wish, but get over it. Face facts. You went the totally negative route on Kenny, coming after me, AB of Seattle, our used-to-be-forum, even Gayla…who couldn’t care less about Cooper. It didn’t work. Nice try, but it did NOT work. You even rejected offers of participation.

    Look…I couldn’t stop the movie now if I wanted to. And I don’t want to. You can continue to pick at it, fine. But it won’t change a thing. 🙂

  69. shutter45 says:

    the is not the DB Cooper forum…you were banned for multiple reasons..I will say what I ever I wish and when ever I wish. you are once again PERSONALLY ATTACKING a member on this thread…this is NOT my forum and has zip to do with it..bringing it up is a direct approach of intimidation and personal attacks which the headlines of this article shows…

    challenge the questions on this thread or don’t answer them..

    Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
    – BAS

    • Terry Battcher says:

      One would tend to think that Blevins would have choked on his own BS by now? It seems that lying to himself is big part of his personality.

  70. shutter45 says:

    Robert, you don’t see anything about the movie elsewhere due to lack of interest. get over it…it’s the samething going on with Reca…you think because they are making a movie we should take you in with open arms? it doesn’t change a thing about what people think of you, I’m sorry but that’s the way it goes. the movie is about Kenny, many don’t buy into the story so you can’t expect everyone to be on your side. it’s like the publishers of the story about Reca coming on here pleading for us to look at the evidence and believe…

    once the movie comes out you will have the attention you so desire..stop worrying about us.

  71. Look…I’m not seeking attention with the movie. They came to me, not the other way around. I even rejected a previous offer back in 2012 or so. The reason no one’s talking about any movie is because there isn’t anything to talk about yet. No official announcement has even been made. It’s too early.

    When you say ‘we’ and ‘with open arms,’ I’ll assume you mean yourself and members of your forum. Come on, I haven’t even visited the place in months and you already know I wrote you off a while ago. I may have objected to some content there, but I wrote that off as well. The opinions of a few people on an internet forum regarding Cooper mean little to me. It’s the public I’m trying to reach, not you guys, to be frank about it. You have a right to your opinions, and I accept that completely.

    As far as what people think of me, the vast majority of messages I get about that are positive. Not that my life is some sort of popularity contest. It isn’t. 🙂

  72. shutter45 says:

    “It’s the public I’m trying to reach”

    you want to reach the public? do a press conference like everyone else does..if none of this bothered you it wouldn’t be brought up for the last 5 years..I get plenty of positive messages, everyone does…you are no different..10 or 10,000 views don’t prove nothing..Major Dawson was a highly decorated military man..does that mean his version is true? Tom Colbert has former FBI agents that were well respected? the Reca story has two former Michigan police officers, so do we believe them? you like to express people’s background with your story but nobody else’s with the same or better credentials are accepted?

    Marla Cooper was all over the news, so was Tom Colbert, you, not so much. now, Reca has taken the floor with the public you so desire. I told you to do this a month seem to be taking the long route reaching out to the public…look how the story spread after just one day…10,000 or 100,000 views ain’t squat…it’s all over the news and internet…NATIONAL.

  73. Shutter says in part: “you want to reach the public? do a press conference like everyone else does..”

    No. I am not interested in a press conference, nor am I an attention whore, no matter what you may have heard. You’ve got this idea I’m hungry for attention in the Cooper case, when the opposite is actually true. So what am I interested in? The truth on Kenny, that’s all. It’s a simple concept. Either he was Cooper or he wasn’t. If he was…then he WAS. If he wasn’t…I know I gave it my best shot to try and discover the truth. It’s not that big a deal. Not to me anyway.

    I went along with the movie idea not so much for money, but because I was able to get some concessions in the contract that will undoubtably bring out the truth using that movie as the vehicle to GET to the truth. It’s the easiest and most efficient way to do it because it will reach the greatest number of people, and I don’t have to travel all over the Northwest every other weekend to do it. I just have to review the script and give suggestions. Sure, the my share of the money from the film would be nice. But in reality, I don’t need it. I make plenty enough money these days to live on comfortably…and to honest about it…my family has extensive resources, as they say. And some day, a very sad day I assure you, I will have to deal with all that. Money? If I care about money it’s mostly whether I am having fun getting it. For example, I stand to make a few thousand just restoring the 1982 two-seater 280ZX I picked up recently, and that will be more fun than anything I have done related to the Cooper case. The last thing I need are reporters at my door bugging me. Let them go see the movie, and then contact the producers, or do your reviews. On the day it’s released, except for answering questions if necessary, I will turn my back forever on the DB Cooper case and never look back. After what I’ve been through, I will do this gladly. And Gayla will say ‘good riddance’ to Cooper quicker than I do.

    I didn’t always feel like that about Cooper. At first it was fun doing the investigation. And I did my share of hitting the bricks, ignoring my job responsibilities with Adventure Books, turning down lucrative book edit cash, and basically getting caught up in the Cooper Vortex. I even tried turning down thousands of dollars offered to me for TV appearances to show sincerity. Some would call that foolish. I thought it was an example of moral character, trying to show I wasn’t looking for attention or trying to cash in on the case.

    Some folks mistakenly believe Cooper is my life or something. Well,,,it certainly was for a long time but no more. I mean NO MORE. I have had it. No press conference, no big public display, no making Adventure Books into public fools such as that Reca publisher did. I do have some pride, you know. I think its better to just leave what you present out there quietly for the public, and not make a big foo-for-rah about it. Cooper is not what AB of Seattle is all about. it’s just a thing we did to try and solve the case.

    The movie, hopefully, will present that case.

  74. Side NOTE: Is is TRUE that this Reca author guy claims he jumped over Cle Elum, WA? Cle Elum? That’s unreal. I think someone would have noticed if Flight 305 had decided to cross the Cascades and head to Spokane instead of Portland.

    That starts skirting the edge of comedy, if you ask me. I’m still glad I ordered the book, though. I just gotta read this one. 🙂

  75. shutter45 says:

    you give a long reply while stating you want to reach the public and constantly talk about views and uploads etc. and claim the “attention whore” loophole to get away from a press conference?

    I’ll say this one time…you are headed on the same path as the want to add things not fully vetted and wait till the movie comes out to find any truth..that’s wrong..especially, if you imply a “true story” or seek any approval..the gullible will buy into it just as they are doing with the Reca story..not the first or last time it will happen with any given subject…people buy into a vacuum cleaner operating by itself claiming it’s a ghost…it is what it is…

  76. No. They will see the movie and check up on a few things, which is what everyone involves wants. A lot of people, even though you may be in denial about it, are convinced KC was Cooper. Now that is a fact based upon the many comments and the tons of emails we got about both the book and the main video at YouTube. It’s not like we’re going to be telling lies in that movie. Nobody wants that, because we also know people will fact-check, and we can back everything up that will be presented. A couple of items will probably be verified by the press after the release, and we are okay with that, too.

    UPDATE: I see Amazon removed the single (and only, so far) review to the Reca book. That is weird that not a single legit review has yet appeared on the book. I can hardly wait. They should start appearing in a few days, as Amazon makes their initial deliveries. My guess is that the shills will give it five star reviews, and people who actually read the book will dismiss it. But that’s just a guess. I wish I could participate, but I have a policy of not reviewing any books on Cooper, because I have my own out there at Amazon and reviewing another Cooper book could be seen as slanted. I can’t wait to read it, though. I don’t even think I will wait for the camping trip. No review, but I might do a WordPress article on it.

  77. shutter45 says:

    Robert, I’m not in denial…that’s ridiculous. more words put into my mouth..I don’t believe Kenny was Cooper, period. Marla and Tom Colbert could state you are in denial? you must have the perfect producers, they speak just like you?

    once again I’ve grown tired of the same old back and forth…the forum is pretty active at the moment, new members on board, including another producer..more productive things going on vs arguing about views and putting words into my mouth…

    maybe someone will have a discussion with you here….fingers crossed.. 🙂

  78. I’m glad your forum is active right now. I imagine you have the Reca Situation to thank for that. As for me, I’m not cut out to run a forum. Been there, tried that. Too much work, too much monitoring, and I have enough to do as it is. My opinion is that the job of hosting Cooperland should be left to you.

    Internet discussions are interesting sometimes, sure. I do a lot of that over at Quora dot com, but that’s where I draw the line. This stuff here is just killing time while I watch a rerun of Vanishing Point. An underrated movie that Quentin Tarentino once said was one of his favorites.

    Mine too. 🙂

    • Gypsy23 says:

      just received word from a well placed source in the movie entertainment business: there is NO production of any DB Cooper film either currently in the works or being contemplated by a legitimate production company. A lot of speculation, but no action. Reason: the public wants a film that has a believable resolution. Sorry Robert. Your dreams of Kenny will remain dreams. Your numerous prior posts about you moving on are prophetic. Maybe your next assignment…….Saskwatsh sightings on the Olympic Peninsula?

      • Gypsy23 says:

        Sasquash? Whatever. Blevins will figure it out for his next big movie.

      • Johnnie Greene says:

        Georger releases a good post over at the Shutter Forum, talking about narcissism and the manner in which a narcissist operates. I don’t want to get into personal attacks because it violates Bruce’s cardinal rule. Mr. Blevins has ambition and that can’t be faulted on its own. However, a movie on Ken Christianson will not be well received. KC was a child molester and pedophile who preyed on runaway boys. There are 50 and 60 year old men today who will come out of the woodwork and attest. What’s next? The me too; I got boinked by DB Cooper, the pediphile? Never gonna happen. Far better to let the DB Cooper mystery remain unsolved than to poison the image of a gentleman bandit.

      • shutter45 says:

        Tom Colbert stated the same several weeks ago..doesn’t mean a smaller production company isn’t trying though..time will tell….

  79. brucesmith49 says:

    Whoa, Johnnie – you crossed a line above, but I will let it go for now – at least to use as an example.

    KC has never been accused, arrested, or charged with the crimes of pedophilia or molestation. Plus, you do not provide any conclusive proof otherwise. As a result, your comments could be considered libelous if KC was alive. Hence, it is a no-no for the Mountain News.

    Please refrain from making such statements in the future. Yes, KC’s behavior with under-age runaway boys appears to have been problematic – and a lot of people, like me, are thinking that KC had sex with the lads – but we can not state that definitively, as you have. SO, don’t do it.

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Apologies, Bruce. Inferentially, it’s a true statement and first speculated in Gray’s 2007 article. No one has ever countered the speculation, not even Lyle Christianson. We know KC was gay. He took in young runaway underaged boys. This was in the 60’s and 70’s. A movie about KC as DB would ignite attention to the world of sexual abuse of minors. It would just be a matter of time before men stepped forward with their horror stories about Ken. Who would they seek restitution against? Ken’s estate? Film production company? Adventure Books? This is the trend. Redress is sought against those who were child perpetrators. Ask the Catholic Church, Penn State, and Michigan State Univ.

  80. shutter45 says:

    It would be interesting to hear what Corey Feldman’s input about Kenny and his past with kids would be, Hollywood is full of pedophiles..

  81. Accusing someone of hijacking a plane is one thing. Accusing them of pedophilia is quite another. In case you guys didn’t read the Geoff Gray article on Christiansen, he interviewed one of the runaways Christiansen took in. There was never a hint of impropriety. Not then, not now. And this guy lived with KC for years, and was left the lot out back after KC died. You guys are frankly pathetic, and that’s the truth.

    You’ve simply run out of ammunition, so now you are back to dirty tricks and slander again. Nothing I haven’t seen before.

    Sure, you can lower yourself into the gutter and make accusations of pedophilia without a shred of evidence, but I won’t be joining you down there. News flash: Being gay is not a crime, nor does it automatically make someone a child molester. Most of them are straight, married, and have children of their own. From the Jacob Wetterling Resource Center’s research papers on this:

    “Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own.”

    That last part probably describes many of you. Which means chances are much greater that one of YOU falls into that nasty category, doesn’t it?

    If you wanted me to stop posting here, you just accomplished the task. You can hang around in the gutter without me and argue about Christiansen until doomsday. The simple truth is you are all pissed off, angry, and jealous that the movie producers decided to come to us for the first motion picture on Cooper. And it galls you to death that they’re going to do this picture and name Kenny as the hijacker. It’s what you wanted after all, right? So there’s no use in whining about it now, or speaking to me about KC from the gutter. Cause I am not listening. 🙂

  82. shutter45 says:

    That last part probably describes many of you. Which means chances are much greater that one of YOU falls into that nasty category, doesn’t it?

    projecting personal views onto others is a personal attack and implying the above usernames are possible pedophiles with the same evidence you claim about Kenny which is zero…two wrongs always make a right with Bobby…

  83. Say what you wish. Both you and Bruce are perma-blocked from our main email, and I will no longer post or visit here. Any further information regarding the upcoming picture, Kenny, or anything else regarding AB, you will have to obtain via the traditional sources, not from me personally. If we re-establish the AB Forum, it will be a private site and by invitation-link only. The rest of you can go the Google route or view our main sites like everyone else.

    Ditching this site should be easy. Wasn’t that hard when I ditched Cooper Heaven, after all. 🙂

  84. shutter45 says:

    my forum took you 5 years to kick, this will not be the last we hear from ya…attempt #9 is where we are at now…I’ll give it a couple hours tops 🙂 couple more months and we will be at attempt to leave forum take 27….

  85. shutter45 says:

    I’m not cut out to run a forum. Been there, tried that. Too much work, too much monitoring, and I have enough to do as it is.

    If we re-establish the AB Forum, it will be a private site and by invitation-link only.?????????????

    did you forget about all the guests who keep sending emails lol

    • TED says:

      I’ll have another beer, then going to bed. Not going to wait all night for Blevins. Maybe I’ll skim thru Blast. Lol

      • shutter45 says:

        he tries to wait till everyone is gone…he stays up all night and always tries to cover it up with “company” lol who has company and is up all night, every nite 🙂

  86. shutter45 says:

    ” Maybe I’ll skim thru Blast”

    careful, it’s like a car mirror…”things may not be as truthful as they appear” 🙂

    • TED says:

      Well, I finished blast after a “few” more beers. Look, I wont criticize Robert for his writing ability. But I seriously doubt that Skipp Porteous believed any of it. There’s no evidence other than the fact the Christianson and Cooper were alive at the same time. Any film producer who entertains a script about Christianson would have his reputation in dire jeopardy. Who’s gonna play Kenny? Peewee Herman? Just not Hollywood material. And, the issue of little boys and gay sex wouldn’t appeal to the macho generation of paratroopers from the 60’s. DB Cooper was a man’s man, not some swishing gay stewardess cruising for runaway boys. This one goes in the reject bin.

  87. brucesmith49 says:

    Ahem, TED. I find the “swishing gay stewardess cruising for runaway boys” bit to be cheap and distasteful. Please, no more.

  88. shutter45 says:

    Kevin Spacey looks like Cooper and probably needs the work 🙂

  89. parrotheadvol says:

    Was Kenny a pedophile? Who knows. But I know this, I wouldn’t let someone like Kenny near one of my kids, period. Blevins has no leg to stand on here. He’s accused Kenny of committing a felony for years now, with nothing more than very shaky circumstantial evidence.

    • shutter45 says:

      lol, he says there were “no signs” …that’s exactly what they try to do..20% is the low from what I’ve read and 20% isn’t a “little bit” either..

      He should combine forces with Reca…put one of them on the ground for equal rights to the movie..both of them change everything anyway..description, throw it away, but post his photo next to the sketch 🙂 missing that day but don’t know where, it’s obvious, they were hijacking a all fits..

      You would have to ask the kids who were there to get any real answers..the family only throws Kenny under the bus for threatening to blow people up..even though Lyle said “he’s probably not the hijacker”

      • Gypsy23 says:

        Yes. Georger has been saying that for years….that even Lyle didn’t believe it. He just desired a movie. Thats the entire motive. Not to solve the crime.

  90. Only 20% of men that are pedophiles are gay, so the odds are way against Kenny falling into that category. BUT….there’s only 1 D.B. Copper and since Kenny didn’t make Thanksgiving dinner, well it should be obvious what he was doing.

  91. shutter45 says:

    I have an email from Mike Fitzsimmons a radio talk show host..he interviewed Lyle …

    Hello Dave:

    I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.

    Mike Fitzsimmons

    8/31/2014 7:52 PM >>>

  92. parrotheadvol says:

    Isn’t that the one that Blevins says never happened?

    • shutter45 says:

      of’s damaging so he quickly goes into damage control and shoots it down..I went right to the source to confirm or deny the allegation…he doesn’t like doing that unless it can help him..

  93. shutter45 says:

    This goes way back to the DZ..I believe Farflung grilled him about this. this isn’t the first time it’s been shown. I find it rather interesting that he shoots it down right out of the gate..this is straight from the person who did the interview.

    Now, ask him about how he knows for a fact John Jarvis made those claims, or even said them. did he get the information from Jarvis, nope, but he will try and assassinate anyone who disagree’s!! HIS friends told him this information….the talk show host verified the interview..see a problem anywhere?

    Bob Knoss did the samething..he would state things that were very hard to confirm. we all know Bob’s story, right lol..

  94. shutter45 says:

    seems Mr. Blevins is following me on You Tube again.posted 6 times in a row just after leaving here… 🙂 Robert, vindictive, spiteful oh no, not him lol

  95. brucesmith49 says:

    Note to All.
    RMB has his knickers in a twist about the discussion here concerning KC’s relationship with runaway boys in Bonney Lake. I have received the following missive from him, posted below, along with my response and a description of why I think it is important to post it all here, in full.

    5. 21. 18
    Hello Bruce,

    I dropped by the Mountain News today for a moment to see if those pedophilia comments had been removed. They have not. 

    I’m going to be as fair as possible with you, and let you know what will happen if those comments are not removed. 

    A total of nine screenshots have been printed up for WordPress staff. These will go into a large envelope with a cover letter, notarized, with both Gayla and my signatures on the letter. The letter states our objections to the postings, and included is a copy of the contract we have granting us the rights to the Kenny Christiansen story. The letter itself details our objections to the postings and why. We’re claiming libelous comments, unfounded, and that the Christiansen story is currently being marketed by Adventure Books with different media. And that those comments are damaging to that effort. 

    Gayla and I do not work tomorrow. In the morning, we go downtown and have the documents notarized, then they go in with the screenshots. This will be mailed to the proper person at WordPress in San Francisco via registered mail. WordPress will then check your site. Should they find those posts onsite, they will do one of two things. They will either remove them for you, or they will delete your account. Knowing pretty well how WordPress works, it is much more likely that the Mountain News will be deleted and you will no longer be able to establish a site with them in the future. This is what happened with Regina Winkles. 

    Come on, Bruce. Do the right thing. Don’t force me to do this. It looks bad for you here, you know. Especially when you chastised some of the posts, but allowed them to remain, even hinting you supported them to a degree. WordPress will have no sympathy for you. 

    Is this what you really want? All of your work to vanish just because you were too stubborn to remove postings you knew should never have been allowed to stand in the first place? If you have to remove some of my posts as well, feel free to do so. 

    I have taken down the block to your email for the moment, in case you want to inform me that you will remove those comments about Christiansen at once. Otherwise, you really leave me no choice. No one except you and me knows that I asked you to take them down. If this is a pride thing on your part, you can just say that such comments could cause your site to get shut down, and you can’t allow that. I won’t say a thing about it. 

    I am asking you for the last time. Please remove any and all references, hints, allegations, or accusations of pedophilia against Kenny Christiansen. Do it now, please. 

    A copy of this message, showing this is the second time we have addressed this with you, will be included in the complaint to WordPress. 

    Robert M. Blevins, Managing Editor – Adventure Books of Seattle
    Gayla Prociv – CEO – Adventure Books of Seattle


    My response:

    RMB, I am confused. What exactly do you want me to do? I understand that you would like me to remove certain passages? Which ones, and why?

    There is a current discussion of Kenny’s potential of being a child molester at the Mountain News. It seems to be bothering you even though you and Geoffrey Gray have made clear in your writings that Kenny engaged in problematic behavior with runaway boys, such as conducting grooming sessions by taking them to expensive restaurants, showering them with gifts, and giving them unsanctioned shelter during their minor years. Further, one disturbing element you haven’t provided is information on who took care of the buys when KC was working in the Orient. Was there someone in charge? Abandoning at-risk youth in his home seems like even more provocative and troubling behavior. Hence, a thoughtful discussion of Kenny’s potentially criminal behavior seems to be warranted.

    I believe that we have had this discussion before, replete with threats of lawsuits from you. Now you are threatening the end of the Mountain News.

    Yes, one MN poster went too far and declared that KC was a pedophile. I admonished him and he apologized. I left the comments up as an example to others of what constitutes potentially libelous behavior, even though KC is not alive and not able to be liable to libel, as I understand the law.

    As for the libel of accusing KC of crimes, such as sexual assault, you seem to have done worse – as not only do you accuse KC of sky privacy and threats of bodily harm to 45 people on Flight 305, you imply that Lyle and his family are liable for conspiracy charges and obstruction of justice since they knew KC was DB Cooper and never told the cops. I know 377 has a different interpretation of family liability, but folks who let folks commit crimes are guilty of something in my book, especially when they try to make a buck on it, too. I’ll let the prosecutors and judges work out the details on that, though.

    Since this topic is so topical, I’m going to post it at the Mountain News. Besides, I think it is important to show the young sleuths getting involved in Norjak how the senior sleuths of the community handle threats and other troubling interactions.

    By the way, do you think a discussion of pedophilia here will enhance the marketability of “Into the Blast,” or weaken it? I suspect the latter. Hence, the discussion here could cost you moolah, no? Just askin’…. I believe in full transparency, don’t you?

    Bruce A. Smith
    Editor and Owner, The Mountain News-WA
    Eatonville, WA

  96. brucesmith49 says:

    Editor’s Note: More missives from RMB

    Since RMB has just reminded me that he has blocked emails from me, it would seem that the best course of action is to post his emails here so that I know he will be able to see my response. Since a response without the triggering email from RMB would be confusing and poor journalism, I will include all correspondences here. Below is RMB’s response to my above post:

    RMB’s response:

    No one is threatening you. There is no lawsuit. This is a complaint to WordPress, your server, regarding content we believe not only violates their Terms of Service., but is libelous to AB of Seattle. Whether WordPress decides to delete your account is entirely up to them, not me. I don’t think it’s wise for you to bring even more of this out in the open, especially since WP staff will be examining that article to see if our complaint is valid. 

    The complaint goes out tomorrow morning unless you remove the postings. It is as simple as that. After that, anything else is between you and WordPress. 

    Sincerely, Robert

    My response:

    I feel threatened by you, Robert. I have told you that many times, yet you continue to declare that you are not threatening. While we are on the subject, I also consider you dangerous and unstable. I think it is important that you know how I feel about you. I also think it is important that others know how I feel about you, since you have threatened me with bodily harm and arrest in the past.

    Nevertheless, despite my fears I will continue to resist your threats, acts of intimidation, and character assassinations at every turn.

    Sincerely, Bruce A. Smith

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Bruce, congratulations for holding your ground to Mr. Blevins threat of lawsuits. My wife is an attorney. She says that suits alleging defamation (slander and libel) against a deceased person will not be entertained by the courts. Ken Christianson is dead. AND, Mr. Blevins has no standing to sue. Courts toss frivolous lawsuits. As a journalist, you should know that alluding to or asking the question of whether someone is a pedophile does not raise the bar to outright accusations. Mr. Blevins is good at attempted intimidation, but he is ignorant. If he dropped a suit on you, you could easily have his case dismissed and countersue for all costs. I surmise what really pissed him off is that if the word gets too far along that IF Ken Christianson was a pedophile, his book would be sunk in garbage and no film producer would touch Blevins tall tale. Stand your ground.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      Bruce, you handled that very well and very reasonably.

      Perhaps the pedophile theme in general is what suddenly animates Blevins and causes him to act even more ridiculous than ever? Please bear with me on this for a moment.

      In the Zodiac cases, Arthur Leigh Allen was suspected of being “the Zodiac”… and he was a convicted pedophile. However, there never was any solid evidence proving that he was “the Zodiac” and as a matter of fact, there was evidence that cleared ALA. Hold that thought. There are some hints that Jack Tarrance was a closet queer, but no proof. In the OCCK case, there were some hints that Chris Busch was a pedophile. However, I do not believe that Busch was involved, but that he was murdered and did not commit suicide. Damage to the two male victims revealed that they were sexually abused, and that the two girls were not. In the Ramsey case, Detective Lou Smit thought that the killer was a pedophile. I assert that the evidence would tend to lead us in that direction, but that the true motive was being obscured by that same limited notion. You have the John Mark Karr angle, but he was cleared (not by me) by powers not yet fully unidentified. (This is a long subject that can be addressed later on and in it’s overall content and context.)

      It’s my shared view that the trafficking of kiddie porn and children is something that is the domain of the racketeers that were behind these crimes, and that it’s only a part of their criminal activities.

      It’s now interesting that the seemingly otherwise “Teflon coated” Robert Blevins takes these outrageous steps to threaten your website and forum. Not that outrageous behavior is something new with Blevins. A long time ago I posted a warning about Blevins lies on the Brad Meltzer’s DECODED etc. video on YouTube comments forum. The day before yesterday he reappeared as “semi auto,” which is a gun threat IMHO, and especially dumb in this day and age of all of the uncanny sequence of “wigged out” gun attacks that have been reported by the MSM.

      As you know, Blevins has never exhibited a sense of true humility or responsibility for his outrageous behavior in the past. I see that shutter also reported that Blevins has taken a similar tact on him on another YouTube thread.

      I was gonna protest the 2000 plus posting that were mainly between Blevins and shutter on the thread that initiated this thread, but I was also seeing the wisdom in letting them stand and I’m glad I didn’t take any more steps than I did. I fully and truly appreciate your opening statement on this thread, and you as still a hero in my eyes Bruce.

  97. brucesmith49 says:

    Thank you, Johnnie.

  98. shutter45 says:

    Johnnie is correct. I like how he always claims to “stop by” lol..Bruce posted the Reca story on my forum and not long at all (minutes) he posted here that he “found this” ..of course we all know he no longer goes to my site or his paid troll Greg Page (name is public information via Linkedin)

    He acts as if his last name is Christiansen. Mr. Blevins feels threatened? that’s Blevins 101 to toss a bunch of threats. Mr. Blevins has no more proof than any of us..just because family members say no doesn’t mean they are right.

    In this dangerous world we live in one could say Mr. Blevins is the threat. his behavior has been displayed many times and we need to remember he has a lot of firearms..if anyone needs to be reported it would be Mr. Blevins..he caused a stir on the DZ years ago posting a picture of a “AK-47” his stalking of me has been well documented since 2014.

    Sadly, this is how mass shooting have started by not heading the warnings that have been obvious. then people always ask why it happened????? perhaps a petition with dozens of names to Roberts local police should be established.


  99. shutter45 says:

    Robert states the following..

    No one is threatening you.
    The complaint goes out tomorrow morning unless you remove the postings.

    That’s a “threatening demand” anyway you cut it. I’m wondering what color the sky is in his world. now I understand why it went bonkers on You Tube.

    For Robert to be successful in a libel case…there would have to be nothing about Kenny taking in underage kids back in the 70’s, or buying gifts, which is similar to the van with no windows and candy on the dashboard. if it wasn’t there he would be correct if allegation were made. he hides the whole thing while telling his story. the story is documented in 2007..

  100. There is no ‘libel case’ being considered. WordPress has a process for reporting objectionable content. We followed that process and asked WordPress to examine certain comments to this article and make a determination. Any decision regarding such content is entirely up to them.

    • Gypsy23 says:

      Question to Robert Blevins: why should you care, or take such threats to Bruce because some people think Ken Christianson might have been involved with underage boys? Are you related to Christianson? Was he a friend? Did you know him? Did you ever meet him? Are you his legal spokesman? Why all the threats, Robert? Your behavior is very suspicious and frankly, it makes you look very unstable.

      • Blevins has spent the last several years accusing Ken Christiansen of being a felon, threatening to murder several people. This would make Christiansen a man of very low character, if Blevins is to be believed. So then is it wrong to question what was going on when young boys were staying in the home of this person of such low character, especially since we know he was attracted sexually to his own gender? Perhaps it is wrong. But I don’t think it’s any more wrong than the accusations Blevins has made over the years. The difference is that Blevins wants to control the narrative on Kenny. To the extent that he will try to bully whoever stands in his way of doing such. He’s trying that with Bruce now and he’s tried the same thing with Shutter. Fortunately, no one fears Blevins or his watchdog Greg Page.

    • shutter45 says:

      do us all a favor a spew your threats and story somewhere else, and for once do the right thing and remain gone as you have now stated 10 times…

  101. shutter45 says:

    That would be a paid watchdog since he works with are 100% correct Parrot. he only wants positive things about the story to come out. it’s well documented in the 2007 article about Kenny’s behavior with “children” ..buying them gifts, and expensive dinners sets off a dangerous red flag. Robert tries to control it with “Black Flag”

    I think it’s time to expose the whole story. he always says the public will judge you, so let them be the judge of what Kenny did. should we take questions and make a video with the answers? does a wordpress article need to be made…

    He comes on here with his chest pumped up and out far trying to scold people, including the owner of this thread and still comes on here like it’s no big deal…

    “If you wanted me to stop posting here, you just accomplished the task.”
    “Ditching this site should be easy.”

    It doesn’t matter if he has certain rights to the story but not telling the whole story is the problem and he only wants to profit from it..he seems to speak for others and put words in there mouths but doesn’t like the backlash of it, he would be riding this story for years if it was reversed. you would see a bunch of lol’s and how statistics are sometimes wrong and posting the link constantly that Gray wrote as backup..

    absolutely nothing can be discussed about Cooper while Robert Blevins is on the field.

  102. shutter45 says:

    someone posted this about Kenny on You Tube…

    Im a P I who has worked with others on this case . Trust me I know more than you .
    Kenny and Bernie his friend practiced parachute drops from a rented plane for weeks before the hijacking. there are dozens of witnesses who saw them that YOUVE NEVER HEARD OF . Kenny used the lights from the dam as a reference point when he jumped at night. A road crew accidentally dug up his buried chute nearby with a bull dozer .This is well documented by us . Youre just a stubborn old man and a fucking idiot if you dont know this. Go away you moron Youre obstructing the truth
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    • TED says:

      To be fair, I have shown up on Bruce’s site, slightly intoxicated and a bit out of line, which probably disqualifies me in the current debate about Blevins. I have no resentment towards the guy. But if Robert wants to remain in the game, he HAS to answer the tough questions. Not just the ones he wants to answer. No softball, Robert.

    • Terry Battcher says:

      shutter said this about Blevins, and I agree, but I think that there may be more to the Blevins “iceberg” than we’re currently seeing: Quote:

      Youre just a stubborn old man and a fucking idiot if you dont know this. Go away you moron Youre obstructing the truth :Unquote

      “Obstructing the truth” is my main charge against Blevins. Try “an accessory after the fact” too.

      For the last eight plus years that I’ve been researching the cases that I list, the campaign to obstruct the truth has been ever-present, relentlessly attended, vicious and very nasty. Chronologically and at every juncture that I’d post some key observation, these same fiends would step up their activities. The latest was the SKY MARSHALLS envelope figurines prompting the phony Reca story. As a sideshow, Blevins gets very animated once others talk about the Kenny/pedophile angle. Just prior to when I decoded “Victory! S.B.t.C, CBS ran the horrible and phony ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey,’ string of lies. In terms of chronology, you can read and follow the process by which I made this discovery about the cryptic sign-off. It started with a childhood friend of mine pointing out the fact that several of the letter d’s resemble a hangman’s noose on the Ramsey ransom note. The word “dog” being one of the most prominent examples, complete with the t-handle detail. I believe that these same fiends that are involved in the Ramsey murder, were already aware of some of the details on the Ramsey ransom note.

      If you could review the work of journalists that have documented crimes of “white slavery” and especially those involving children, a pattern of criminal activity emerges during that era. The Michigan based 1976/77 OCCK case is a prime example. Most noteworthy is the fact that most people are not aware of the OCCK case, especially when you consider how diabolical the case really is. The basic fact that the MSM has avoided this very subject of the OCCK case, speaks volumes about the MSM. Granted, that so-far, the subject of pedophilia hasn’t appeared in the back drop of the Cooper caper…that is until the emergence of the Kenny C angle. Blevins has very obviously wanted to control and dominate the Cooper narrative. Blevins wanted to raise eyebrows about Kenny C’s background with youngsters, but then notice the animation of Blevins once the control of the narrative starts to slip away from him! Did one or more of Blevins’ tribal members suddenly “jack him up?” He sure seemed pretty desperate when he tried to extort Bruce into editing this MB forum on the subject of pedophilia!

      Think about it…if you wanted to control this or any other country in the world, these are the first order of key members of society that you’d wanna control: Elected officials, judges, chiefs of police, police and editors. What better control mechanism could you have, other than having evidence of pedophilia or murder on these same people?

      I view the taunting documents that the FBI retained in the Cooper FOIA files, as a time capsule, and as a “tie that binds” the cases that I’ve listed. Just like the many many hints on the Ramsey ransom note, those in the Cooper FOIA files are hidden in the best place you can hide things…right in plain view! And what a better way to insure that your evil associates don’t deal with you as a “loose end”! The Zodiac killer used the term “consternation,”…. I’d say that Blevins just got a good case of “consternation” served to him within the last several days! You can already see that it all slips right off of the teflon coated beastard.

      BTW, that’s a nice term: “beastard,” that’s one that my wife invented to describe our cat, she calls the cat a “little beastard.” You could even spell it beasturd too! LOL!

  103. shutter45 says:

    that will never happen Ted…you can’t change Roberts personality..

  104. parrotheadvol says:

    That’s not the way Blevins rolls, Ted. Go to his youtube videos, or his “news” articles he writes at wordpress. Read the comments and see how many comments are there that disagree with him. None. He doesn’t allow them. He wants only comments that agree with him. It creates the illusion that people agree with him. I wouldn’t doubt that most of those comments that are there are bogus comments that he did himself. Remember MikeJ?? So, he won’t allow the hard questions on youtube or WordPress. Ask them here and he clams up and says he can’t talk about Kenny.

  105. shutter45 says:

    too many people seem to accept this kind of behavior. he makes a “Stepford Wives” type of environment or dictatorship which doesn’t allow anything negative to intrude but spews it by the truck loads. it’s not just his sites that need the negative taken away, it’s where ever it is on the internet. he knows this is extremely damaging so he has lashed out full commando. negative is not in reference to attacks, he has no posters challenging could that be?

    I think he is doing the same as he does online with speaking for others..I don’t think people around him are aware of his actions..or we have multiple people with troubled personalities. he probably tells them what is going on and shows only part of the story. I’ve asked him multiple times for the owner of AB to contact me directly to get to the bottom of these problems but even in emails he just changes the subject or says they could care less about Cooper.

    He sits in a room all night long posting away while everyone else is a sleep..sometimes I wake up at 7:00 or even 8 if I decide to sleep in and there he is still posting. this was happening on the DZ as well. just by simply disagreeing turns into jealousy and hatred? the DZ was a nightmare the last year it was active. the same is happening here.

  106. parrotheadvol says:

    I finally got around to watching some of the Walter Reca videos. I certainly do not think he was Cooper. Maybe I’m just too trusting and tend to give people the benefit of doubt too often, but I do think these folks at the press conference are probably sincere, the niece especially. This to me, appears to be a case where Reca blew smoke up their asses and they bought it, not knowing enough about the Cooper case to question some things.I still haven’t heard how they tie in the money find and their supposed landing zone. I’d like to hear that one.

    You know, the Tena Bar money, if it does nothing else, is actually pretty useful in terms of shooting down certain suspects. This one in particular is a good example of that, not that there aren’t other things that shoot this guy down as well.

  107. shutter45 says:

    Interesting read on the “terms of service” with wordpress..they are pretty slack on things. they have a section (like most) where you make a many other sites no reason to send the info or have it notarized..

    If you find a site that violates our Terms of Service, we want you to let us know about it. Please understand that we don’t always respond to these reports, but every single one is read (by a real human being), and the reported site is reviewed accordingly.

    More importantly, please note that the team behind strongly believes in freedom of speech. has a vast audience spread across many cultures, countries and backgrounds with varying values and our service is designed to let internet users freely express any ideas and opinions without us censoring or endorsing them.

    We take all reports seriously, but we won’t remove sites just because they are offensive (even to us!). We think the right response to bad or offensive ideas is to speak out against them, not to censor them. If a site is publishing offensive content with which you don’t agree, feel free to create a site to speak your own mind on the subject — you’ll of course have the same rights.

    Just a small portion of the TOS…kind of hard to play victim with them..

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      I agree. Word Press wouldn’t give a rats behind if someone was calling a dead person a child molester. Did you know that a full defense for a defamation suit is… the truth. If the runaway boy was under 18 in WA state, then by definition Ken C would be a child molester if having sex with him. I think it would be statutory rape of a child. I can see where Blevins would be pissed off, because the film producer would back out. I’ve read Blevins book and there is nothing in it that moves me. Conjecture and speculation. No evidence and no character development. As authorship goes, Bruce has a better book with more facts. Maybe Bruce’s book should be made into a movie?

  108. shutter45 says:

    If you read the article Gray wrote in 2007 it doesn’t really show Kenny the way Robert portrays him. Rose Edmiston said “That would probably be the last person in the world I would think could be D.B. Cooper.” who was a former Northwest flight attendant and lived in Bonney lake. according to Rose rumors were circling Bonney lake about Kenny. “The rumors she heard about him were true: He was taking in troubled kids and runaways.”

    The article also states Kenny was always trying to find ways to make a buck…working a low paying job doesn’t fit the profile and doesn’t suggest hijacking a plane..

    “McWilliams says now of Kenny, he describes life in the house as odd, It was uncomfortable to me, because I’m not like that” what would be uncomfortable about taking in teenage boys if nothing is a miss?

    Kenny taught people how to save money, again this doesn’t jive with what Robert claims. my guess is that Kenny was single, bills were low and the pay was probably not bad or he wouldn’t of stayed. he could afford to spend extra, he had it..

    The gifts bought in Japan and Germany were probably a lot cheaper over there vs buying them here. perhaps the deathbed confession is tied the the teenagers..the confession never made sense to me..”I have a secret but can’t tell you” why did you bring it up? I can say, “I have a car for sale but you can’t buy it”? it’s seems to be similar to the Reca story that has an alternant twist to it..where is Chris Hansen when you need him 🙂

    • Johnnie Greene says:

      Yes, Ken as Cooper makes no sense at all. And what happened to Rackstraw? He’s alive and being accused. Now there is your defamation suit. Everyone with a suspect has problems.

      • shutter45 says:

        Rackstraw keeps threatening one but never goes through with it..I speak with Tom every once in a while and email back and forth about things..people drag him through the mud but I respect things he’s done like getting the files released.

        My opinion is Cooper hasn’t been found..

      • Johnnie Greene says:

        I do believe you are right. Even Tom Colbert is having trouble launching a film and he is in the movie business. Producers want a definite ending to the mystery. So far…..


  109. A little FYI, just out of courtesy.

    I directed the production company execs to some of the comments in this article. They weren’t impressed, and tell me it changes nothing regarding the picture. There were a few office laughs going I guess. They also said you guys should try taking the heat down in Hollywood sometime. That’s pro-level. Some comments here are Amateur Night all the way. I’m also told they were well-indoctrinated into what was going on in Cooper Heaven during their research phase, (about January 2016 to November same year), all the negativity, etc. That didn’t impress them either.

    No, I didn’t make that stuff up. They actually said those things. Some of it recently, some a while ago. The reason I pointed them to the comments here is because I tell them everything, and I wanted them to have a look for themselves. But they knew everything Kenny-related anyway, because they have copies of every single file, witness report, photo, document, interview notes, etc right down to my gas receipts from traveling around the NW investigating KC and Geestman.

    As far as Kenny being a pedophile, let me know when you get a witness on that. I also saw you cherry-picked quotes from the Gray article and conveniently skipped around some key parts.

    MacWilliams lived with Kenny for almost twenty years, and said KC had relationships…with grown men…some of them he knew in the Army. Sounds like a normal gay lifestyle to me, although I suspect some of you might be homophobic as hell.

    Mac even helped care for Kenny when he was dying. And although I never got past the phone stage with Mac, I found out KC was not a pedophile. This was also the testimony from Mac’s ex-wife in Puyallup, who I also interviewed (although it didn’t appear in the book) as well as Carolyn Tyner, who I also questioned. Tyner, her (now) ex-husband, and Mac all lived with Kenny for years. They were even there when he died. They had nothing but nice things to say about him, and there was not a single hint, shred, or allegation he ever molested boys.

    Not one. I asked. Discreetly, of course.

    Remember, I ALSO saw the Geoff Gray article even before we started our investigation into Kenny. Just because Kenny took in runaways occasionally doesn’t make him a bad person. In fact, unless you have some PROOF of your allegations, this only makes him look like a nice guy. You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to twist that into something ugly. As far as the hijacking itself, I think Geestman was the instigator and had to talk Kenny into doing it. I have my reasons for believing this, mostly from speaking to Geestman’s family.

    And please stop tossing the idea that accusing Kenny of a felony is somehow wrong. You guys discuss suspects all the time. It smacks of phony. If I didn’t have evidence, I would not have accused him. Kenny’s entire family has backed up our investigation, and like us, only want to know the truth. We are going to provide that for them. I am more convinced than ever that Kenny was indeed Cooper. And frankly, it was Geestman’s family who finally helped put it over the top. If you want to know more on that, you’ll have to wait for the movie, or somehow worm your way into our private forum. I just made an announcement about that to our few members there.

    As far as being ‘dangerous’ or ‘unstable,’ as some of you have assumed, you must be referring to someone else. All I do is the same thing I’ve done for years. I get up in the morning on workdays, go to some nice family’s home with Gayla, and we clean it for them. Some families have been with us for more than FIFTEEN years. We are trusted with their alarm codes, their kids sometimes, even their pets. We’ve seen their families grow up and go to college. Our references are local, and frankly…IMPECCABLE. To make side money on weekends, I do work for a nice senior lady in Des Moines, WA. Once in a while I get to escape from all that and go camping or fishing. When I’m not doing that, I like to work on cars, particularly anything Nissan. Gayla and I worked with the Auburn Police very closely for years when we ran the theater events for the Auburn Days Festival, handing out the free snacks and showing films.

    Yeah…we’re REAL dangerous folks. 🙂 Better get that petition going for the local cops here. Maybe you can protest our work on the Homeless in Seattle movie, too. Truth is, you guys just make things up, twist things around to suit you, and really don’t know me at all. It can be funny sometimes. Other times it’s just pathetic.

    I understand that some of you are jealous and pissed off about the movie. I apologize if I caused that emotion in you somehow. But I also spent a year trying to cut you into that project, some of you for pretty good money, and everything was rejected. Frankly, I think that was sort of dumb. I finally gave up. So please stop complaining about it and move on. You gave it your best shot, brought out the dirty tricks, tried everything you could think of. Didn’t work. In fact, it was the overwhelming negativity at certain places that actually drove the producers to seek us out in the first place for the first-ever feature film on Cooper. And yes…we do have an ending for it. 

    In a way, some of YOU created this situation with the movie on Kenny. All the negativity at Cooper Heaven without a response from me (they didn’t know about the AB Forum or AB of Seattle main website yet) got them to look at the other side of the story. The rest as they say, was history. You guys must have mentioned my name hundreds of times over at Cooper Heaven. What did you think would happen as a result of that? Publicity, mainly. We took the quiet, laid-back approach…made certain files and videos publicly available…and waited.

    It got peoples’ curiosity going. In fact, the more negativity, the more books we sold. Not through Amazon so much, (they account for a pittance of total sales at AB) but through Ingram since we’re a wholesale trade publisher releasing at 55% off the cover price. Cooper Heaven had a small part in that, although to be honest I think the YouTube videos made more impact on sales. We spent approximately $13,000 investigating the case, while turning down thousands from History Channel and Comcast Sports Net’s show ‘Adrenaline Hunter’ with Bethy Rossos. We finally broke even a few years ago. It’s never been about ‘show me the money’ around here.

    I saw a comment about how we screen comments at YouTube and at WordPress. No we don’t. There are only two requirements for your comment to be posted. No personal attacks, and you can’t post anonymously at our WordPress, as people do here. Anonymous comments at YouTube are allowed if they are polite. And yes…I responded toughly to certain comments at YouTube regarding suspect Reca, as someone noted back there, although I always use my real identity. (Why change now after years of posting that way?) I noticed that whenever someone said something positive about Kenny being the hijacker, there was You-Know-Who giving them the third degree.

    So like John Carradine said in ‘The Grapes of Wrath,’ I talked BACK. However, I have no idea who posted up that crazy shit about KC and Geestman doing test flights or whatever. I’m pretty sure that’s not true. :)

    One of the reasons I decided to come back and post this up is because I knew the producers would see it as well. If it is deleted, it doesn’t matter. I sent everything except this last paragraph to them in an email.

    These are my final thoughts at Mountain News on this whole subject. I gave it a few days to think about what I would say, and anything further would be pointless. I think I covered everything for you as well as I can. My thanks to you for having the patience to read this. I know it’s a bit longer than I would like. Probably you as well. And if it gets deleted, it just proves some things I’ve been saying all along. That one side is slanted, uses the occasional dirty trick, and tries to squash any opposing voice.

    That kind of approach never works, of course. It just makes people wonder WHY it was done. 🙂

  110. shutter45 says:

    Thanks for the novel about things that never bother you or telling people you are no longer posting here…none of this was posted to stop’s part of the KC story whether you like it or not.

    people give opinions and that’s what some have done here claiming the movie would be stopped. I never said that, I believe the WHOLE story should be told. it’s amazing how a couple comments can cause such a trigger.

    I don’t care what people have said about Kenny..enough disturbing signs are visible to bring up questions. you seem to be bothered about people saying things that might not be true, the very samething you project onto many here.

    A WordPress article about this is in the making and WILL be published after examining all the known evidence and researching the subject at length..after all, as you always state it’s the public that judges, not some low budget producer…


  111. shutter45 says:

    For someone to actually think a subject such as child molestation is funny causes more concern about the people involved making that statement. it’s a childish response one could relate to you making. if it was the producers then they are complete morons, and you can tell them that!

    If I was to project my thoughts into this, it’s sounds like someone desperately trying to put a halt to the whole thing before it gets any bigger.

    police officers have been found to be serial killers or could they cover this up? everyone would say they never knew, so it’s not out of the ordinary that people don’t have the full story of someone’s background or what they have done in the past.

    No, I believe a closer look into this matter is without a doubt warranted…

  112. “No, I believe a closer look into this matter is without a doubt warranted…”

    Sure you do. This is what I think: Drop a little TRUTH on people, rather than uninformed baloney, and they just panic and fall to pieces. Especially when they’ve already invested everything except the kitchen sink in negativity and twisting the truth around a bit here and there to forward an obvious agenda. 🙂

    Good luck with that.

  113. shutter45 says:

    Trust? that’s pedophile 101..the first priority in many of them is gaining trust. many are given trust with the most valuable thing in the world, there do this by trying to justify your honesty constantly!!!

    people can trust you all day long with alarm codes and there homes. that doesn’t make you a perfect person or immune to lying, or anything else so give the work resume a break. most here know you all too well. we have to wait once again for attempt to leave the thread #11 to come around. someone told me you opened another forum lol..once again going against your own advice. I checked and sure enough there it is closed out to the public.

    as I mentioned before, police officers as well as public figures such as Hollywood celebrities are being caught with horrific stories about sexually abusing children, even telling me you know all about Kenny is completely false. you don’t know jack, especially since this happened decades ago.

    10 years ago while working at a shutter company a guy we all knew with a wife and kids is now in prison with 27 count of sexual assault on his OWN children. he was liked by many in the office and showed ZERO signs of any kind of behavior he was charged with..I remember him flying down the hallway and asking him what was wrong…he said, I don’t like someone saying something that’s not true about had nothing to do with the charges but he was bent out of shape that something was said about him about his work..he plead guilty to all the charges and won’t see freedom for decades to understanding was it took several years before even his wife realized what was going on…his children were under the ages of 8!!! two were his own kids…I have a couple more first hand stories if you need them?

  114. shutter45 says:

    The guy at the shutter company, all his friends were SHOCKED once the TRUTH came out!!!!!they had no clue…

  115. shutter45 says:

    “good luck with that”

    Nothing good comes out of stories of sexual abuse, luck has nothing to do with it either. defection 101.

    Nothing is being twisted, it’s all from an article from 2007. nothing is taken out of context. you can’t go after the source either (Gray) the only thing that could be taken slightly out of context is accusing Kenny would never do such a thing talking about us, would you?

    You have warned everyone about the possibility of Kenny’s behavior and laughed so none of this once again should bother you….just the start of 100 more comments by the guy who constantly claims he’s done with this thread..

    welcome back from the 3 day absence 🙂

  116. shutter45 says:

    edit: deflection 101 🙂

  117. parrotheadvol says:

    So, Blevins said: “And please stop tossing the idea that accusing Kenny of a felony is somehow wrong. You guys discuss suspects all the time.”

    If a person is innocent, and you accuse them of something they did not do – especially a felony, multiple felonies actually, then yes, it is wrong. And you have never read where I said a person was guilty of Norjack. Anytime I speak on suspects, I express doubts on that suspect. Shutter is the same. I don’t recall him ever saying he thinks a suspect is guilty of being Cooper.

  118. Blevins: ” I suspect some of you might be homophobic as hell.”

    Wasn’t you suspended from the DZ for calling Georger a homophobe. This comment was untrue and unnecessary.

  119. Blevins: “I saw a comment about how we screen comments at YouTube and at WordPress. No we don’t. There are only two requirements for your comment to be posted. No personal attacks, and you can’t post anonymously at our WordPress, as people do here.”

    More bullshit. You told me in the old thread that i would never be able to comment on your wordpress articles. You simply do not allow comments that disagree with your narrative. That is a truth that is very easily observed.

  120. shutter45 says:

    Geoffrey Gray must be “Homophobic” too according to his logic..he reported the story that Mr. Blevins will naturally tell everyone is wrong and they are uninformed. Gray must of been one as well.

    Deflection is all he has with this..we have a well known writer (Gray) writing about his findings and talking with people who knew Kenny say a lot of different things than what Mr. Blevins claims.

    It appears everything stayed the same from the 70’s up to 2007…now, Bobby comes in and changes the story..”we know the truth” him and his producers think child molestation is funny (laughable) not a God Damn thing funny about it.

    Yes, his name is Bobby and will be 65 soon or is already…he laughed that off trying to imply he wasn’t about 64, truth does hurt 🙂 calling people on my forum “a bunch of old farts” guess what, you can get into the theater cheaper now 🙂 old man…

  121. Shutter and Parrot: I thought you two would have read that extensive post back there and realized that coming after me personally wasn’t the way to go. And that twisting around the truth wasn’t the way to go either. Every time I put out the truth for the public, you two go ballistic.

    I never said the producers thought pedophilia was funny. I said they thought your childish comments were funny. If I told Parrothead he couldn’t comment on our WordPress or YouTube entries, just look at the two of you and your recent posts right here. Look at your own entries over at YouTube, where you jump hard on any person who might believe KC was the hijacker. Why would I allow you to pour vitriol all over my hard work?

    Meanwhile, I went around at YouTube and REMOVED every single comment I made to your videos I could find. I did that because I figured adding to the discord was pointless.

    You tried to create a false picture about me publicly. You have been doing that for a while. Don’t speak to me about one minor comment I allegedly made when you host a site that contains HUNDREDS of negative references about me. That has been going on for FOUR years, my friend.

    I finally drew the line when you started hinting things about ‘unstable,’ ‘dangerous,’ and even made a reference to random shootings, and suggested some ridiculous ‘petition’ to the local police. At that point, I had seen quite enough…and just laid out the truth for people about my daily life and what that is all about. Nothing like YOU said, I assure you.

    And I think that’s the thing that’s got you upset.

  122. shutter45 says:

    To add more insult to your behavior I seen what you wrote on Amazon concerning Andrade’s book. no more than a couple weeks ago you stated that you don’t give reviews to these books. that’s a lie because you have done it several times. I seem to recall you removing the one with Bruce because of the lack of attention. you flat out accuse him of having YOU have all the facts before judging? is this the vindictive, spiteful behavior you swear you don’t have!

    Andrade is good people..he never gets mixed up into this drama you create constantly. you were caught shilling years ago by Farflung..I still have the screenshots from that evening. you tried to lie and say it was a past employee or something like that, then he posted another one of the guy from England, sorry don’t follow you enough to know his name..he’s with AB. Geoff Nedler “the smartest guy on the staff”

    The behavior you show is very childlike Robert…you lash out in hatred all the time while accusing everyone else of the same. the review was made somewhere around the time you stated you don’t make any reviews on these books. that the payback for not getting involved with the movie..

    As Parrot stated, you censor everything, with bleach. dictators use the exact same M.O. zero disagreements, no “I don’t think Kenny was Cooper, nothing.. all for Robert…hail to Robert..

    This is a new all time low….

  123. This is MY definition of ‘creating drama,’ folks, and why I made that extensive response. Enough was ENOUGH. Credit to Shutter:

    “Sadly, this is how mass shooting have started by not heading the warnings that have been obvious. then people always ask why it happened????? perhaps a petition with dozens of names to Roberts local police should be established…”

  124. I was suspended from Dropzone once for posting up a picture of two vultures on a telephone pole and making a caption on it that referred to Georger. If you’re asking. 🙂

  125. shutter45 says:

    “Ditching this site should be easy.”

    ca you prove that?

  126. ‘that’s reality…not drama…I see you are babysitting this site now…worried much?’

    No, but I think going the personal attack-dog route is a losing situation for you. Just makes you look bad, but that’s only my opinion. And excuse me…but YOU and Parrot were the ones making multiple postings after I laid out the truth for you, which sort of differs from your version of reality.

    You should go back and read it thoroughly a second time. It’s such a thorough and comprehensive response to some of the untrue statements you have made about me that I actually converted it to a PDF. 🙂

  127. shutter45 says:

    lol, what truth..lets not deflect Robert…the topic was you making keep backing up trying to deflect…

  128. shutter45 says:

    Ditching this site should be easy.

    I’ll ask again…can you prove this?

  129. Well, you’re still here aren’t you? And practically every post is about me personally. I already proved all your allegations about me were a pile of uninformed statements, with not a fact mixed in there anywhere.

    Truth is, you can talk about KC all you want, even call him a child rapist if you wish, even WITHOUT proof…and there isn’t much I can do about it. I made a complaint, sure. Knew it wouldn’t go anywhere, but then I didn’t try all that hard either.

    On the other hand, if you are going to make statements about me PERSONALLY, assumptions, whatever it is you do with that…get your facts straight. You got pretty upset when I responded with that extensive post back there. You didn’t like it when I posted up about our lives around here (Gayla and I) and laid out everything but what we usually eat for breakfast.

    But you really deserved that, you know. You tried to create a false persona about me with other people, from 3,100 miles away, and without ever having met me. I simply set people straight with the truth.

  130. shutter45 says:

    I never read it until now…

    I never accused Kenny of anything…get your facts right son..I said it need to be looked at further and the story should be told…I said enough is there to raise come in and accuse everyone…I didn’t get mad at anything…that’s once again went bat shit firing off emails to Bruce DEMANDING the comments be removed, blocking both of us on emails…I sent several test emails that never came back 🙂 then you make threats to try and shut Bruce down by complaining to WordPress…hows that going by the way….the uninformed are wondering 🙂

    the comments of 2011, lol, let it go dude..I wasn’t even around, of course if you were part of that it would be “water under the bridge” “old news” forgotten, never to be brought up again..shout it down!!! Evergreen style…

    I have never said anything untruthful on You came in with 6 comments in a row…another thing you accuse others of…

    I know all about goes back to the DZ days..

    He stated in 2007 the house was “odd” sounds like he wasn’t gay so it was not his bag..he never mentions the teens or anything about them..Rose Edmiston did though..she said rumors were floating around Bonney lake..she also worked for NWO and doesn’t believe Kenny was the hijacker..not something Kenny should of done trying to look like a farmer lol and keep a low profile..Mac, lived there off and on so he doesn’t have the full story either..

    I’m not the one with multiple people telling me I’m unstable..

    “Your behavior is very suspicious and frankly, it makes you look very unstable.”

    The article will be published…

    you keep dodging the question

    Ditching this site should be easy.

    I’ll ask again…can you prove this, or are we uninformed of the truth, again 🙂

  131. shutter45 says:

    yes, I’m still here…difference is I never said I was leaving a dozen times 🙂

  132. shutter45 says:

    But you really deserved that, you know. You tried to create a false persona about me with other people, from 3,100 miles away, and without ever having met me. I simply set people straight with the truth.

    so, how do you know me to come to all your conclusions about me? you have been trying to discredit me since 2014…who you think your fooling here lol

  133. shutter45 says:

    Please, tell us how I created a false persona…

  134. Are you kidding me? And who is ‘us’? I was speaking of YOU.

    All the answers you need are in the extensive post I made back there. You should go back up there and read it more thoroughly. 🙂

    • shutter45 says:

      no, I’m not kidding you…I don’t make phony persona’s about are the one who always projects your opinion onto others..calling us “haters, jealous” when neither are truthful…people hate what you do and talking about things related to the movie doesn’t imply jealousy. you have never met me and yet you have an accurate persona about me? could it be one sided with that statement?

      you have been caught lying multiple times, you can’t even admit you were banned for behavior reasons..yes, I said you were not welcome before it started… first said you joined because you don’t like being told where you can and can not go..then you started the lies about Galen being the reason which didn’t start until after you announced who you were, and yes, we had a pretty good idea it was you from the start. another thing you tried to imply that we were punked.

      Nothing would be said on my forum for months and you were banging away on the AB forum, including several topics with my name on them bashing one point it was nearly 90% shutter..acting like a little school boy telling the two member lol how you warned this person, or that podcast, or producer about us..”haters, detractors” all for simply disagreeing..

      we are full deflection now..still dodging the can’t stop people from talking about you or anyone else Robert or anything negative about one Kenneth Christiansen.

      What false persona have I made of deflection, no changing the subject..just the facts!

  135. Facts? You wouldn’t know a fact about me, our investigation into Kenny, or represent it correctly, if the instruction manual dropped into your lap.

    People can speak whatever they wish about Kenny Christiansen. You’re right. I can’t stop that. I made a minor complaint when he was accused of being a child rapist without any proof, without any witnesses. Seemed the right thing to do at the time.

    Again, I will refer you to the extensive post I already made on these issues back there. Pretty much anything I had to say on what you ask is there. Come on. That was a lot of work on my part, you know. 🙂

  136. shutter45 says:

    no, you are deflecting again…please post the false persona against you…only that reason, not Kenny, not anyone else..just the false hard is that to do?

    One post with the whole reason you believe I have a false persona of you…just the facts..not because I don’t believe Kenny was Cooper..the REAL facts of the false should be pretty easy…and not a long post..

    It’s about your character and anyone or anything else..

  137. shutter45 says:

    edit: It’s about your character and not anyone or anything else..

  138. shutter45 says:

    I’ll tell you, okay?

    I think some animosity started when we found problems with the evidence back in 2013. then it got worse when I opened the forum and you read that you were not welcome..I believe you feel left out regardless to what you claim because here we are 5 years later discussing take things out of context, you don’t like being confronted with error’s or criticism, at all. you speak for every single person around you leaving people to wonder what is really said. you think when someone talks about certain points they are jealous and hate you because you believe you are right and they are wrong. you get very angry and lash out with articles, tweets, video’s or what ever you can get your hands on to try and control are obviously a control freak since nobody is at your side online to back up anything…you constantly speak and project your opinion onto tell people I hate you on public forums, podcasts, or once again, what ever avenue you can find. you are extremely have been deceptive many times. you constantly change your mind flip flopping on things.

    I believe you are a above average writer that has potential but your thoughts and rules won’t allow you to grow. you get very aggravated when a suspect gets attention..(Marla & Rackstraw) are the two you oppose the most. Reca is too funny for anyone…you are like a child sometimes..Bruce will speak at the library and then you do it..we started a project and soon after you announced the same. I’ve lost count how many times you stated you removed the shortcuts and no longer view my forum..the same goes’s a broken record…people on your side have seen that you use them or a web forum as a vehicle to get back at me. Robert, you held your own forum hostage to try and get me to remove the ban….

    Now, the above is just a portion…one thing I can say is I don’t go around “warning” producers, or jumping on podcasts and blast you. you make that a point with every move.

    I’m sure I left a lot out but it’s getting late and I can’t stay up till the sun comes up like you do..I can’t sleep the day away…

  139. I have no answers for you on any of this. You’ve accused me of lying on practically everything I’ve ever posted about ANYTHING. There is no dealing with that kind of behavior. You’ve been begging for examples. Fine. I will provide a few.

    Contrary to what YOU say, the following items are TRUE:

    1) I went missing in the Cascade Mountains for over thirty days and finally found my way out by stumbling onto Interstate 90 some distance west of Snoqualmie Pass.

    2) I actually DID take a minor bullet fragment in my right forearm shooting a 22. It is still there.

    3) I actually DID get washed out into the Pacific Ocean for a few days off the coast near Ozette Island, WA. (Maybe you should call the rangers at the Ozette station and see if they remember.)

    4) Yes, I was pitched off the front of a nice Honda bike near Cave Junction, OR and was lucky to escape with my life.

    The list goes on and on. There is no dealing with someone like you. Even some of your own forum members email me privately, though not necessarily about the things above.

    About the only thing you haven’t accused me of is the Kennedy assassination. I asked you for an apology for all those things a long time ago. You rejected that, and still held to the idea you were right and true on all of it. According to your way of thinking, you are never wrong. On anything.

  140. shutter45 says:

    that’s all ya got and it causes all of this lmao…

    no missing persons report, no doctor contacting the police about a fragments in your arm, two different calibers used in the story…stranded on a island you can walk too. a motorcycle “all over the road” injuries and you said nobody got a ticket lol..and again, nobody to back anything up..

    these are things that happen when someone doesn’t believe a story. you do the very same thing just as anyone else does on the planet. they question something and they either believe it, or they don’t. some of these stories haven’t been brought up in years..

    I accuse you of lying when caught..I call BS on a lot of things you say. there is a difference but you never comment on them that way. I also mentioned in the past that the stories could be partially true and you added an extended version to are considered a Sci-Fi writer, you know, someone who makes things up for a living?

    Are these stories suppose to be believed by all like the KC story? nothing negative like challenging the evidence to be allowed, just shout them down, right?

    It doesn’t shock me that you don’t have an answer about what I wrote about’s hard to debate. I find your personality troubling and others have stated about the same..some I don’t even know so don’t try that card. you can’t take criticism but dish it out by the truck loads. you censor everything Robert, call it what ever you wish. the only place you can’t control is in You Tube.

    I don’t have any answers for your problems Robert. how can anyone believe someone who constantly leaves , or opens and closes PUBLIC forums. (permanently) dozens of times. you threaten people all the time. you drag Bruce through the mud constantly and turn around and post on his threads like nothing ever happened?

    You should remove the negative review with Marty Andrade on Amazon…you still haven’t commented about that. (dodged) he respectfully decided not to work with you and that’s what he got for, as you call it “being negative” it was made on April 23. the same time you said you don’t do Cooper reviews. that’s called lying Robert…yes, I said the word “lying”

  141. shutter45 says:


    The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.

    People with narcissistic personality disorder believe they are superior or special, and often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way. This association enhances their self-esteem, which is typically quite fragile underneath the surface. Individuals with NPD seek excessive admiration and attention in order to know that others think highly of them. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat, and may be left feeling humiliated or empty when they experience an “injury” in the form of criticism or rejection.

    Got milk? 🙂

  142. I took down the Andrade review…fine. But you might want to tell him that trying to recruit shill reviews for your book at Amazon is a big no-no. I did that to teach him a lesson. It’s what amateur authors do at Amazon. They try to recruit their friends to make glowing reviews for them. Amazon is trying to put a stop to it. If he wants legitimate reviews, tell him to mail out a few copies to reviewers.

    Don’t try your psycho babble on me. You don’t even KNOW me. You’re no shrink, and not even a good amateur.

  143. shutter45 says:

    just like the shills you did years ago, got it…okay, no problem…I never said I WAS a shrink but am within my rights to show similarities!!! you on spot on with the term written today as well as the definition of Character assassination that fits you like a glove posted a while back..

    you seem upset for taking down something you claim you never do to begin with 🙂

    I’m not your personal contact Marty if you need to say something to him DIRECTLY.

  144. shutter45 says:

    full of spite or malice; showing spite; malicious; malevolent; venomous

    I believe 377 coined you “the venom magnet”


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