By Bruce A. Smith
One of the fascinating – and troubling – aspects of the Internet is the need many users have to gossip. The draw of social media is a unique facet of modern life, and the criticisms and back-stabbing in chat rooms and on social media, like Facebook or Twitter, are major forces shaping our world. The Mountain News is not immune to this phenomenon, especially regarding DB Cooper. Since November 2017, Cooper postings at the Mountain News have resulted in over a thousand comments. Many of them require monitoring, often leading to removal by yours truly in my capacity as editor. But a thousand posts is significant, and invites an examination of what is transpiring.
The Mountain News-WA is one of the leading sites on the Internet discussing this iconic hijacking – and it’s free, leading to a lot of traffic from armchair sleuths and lovers of true crime mysteries. The DB Cooper skyjacking is the only crime of its kind in the history of the United States, and it is unsolved. In addition, the identity of DB Cooper is unknown and the FBI has no physical evidence from the heist other than a small pile of soggy twenty-dollar bills found on a Columbia River beach eight years after Cooper stole his jetliner. Adding to the mystery, no one has a definitive explanation of how the money landed at the river, or when.
Since the Cooper commentaries are becoming newsworthy, it may be useful to explore, or at least identify, some of the dynamics presenting themselves. Let’s start with describing the major players.
The primary poster is a fellow named “Shutter45,” who is also the founder and moderator of the DB Cooper Forum, a major site for technical discussion of the DB Cooper skyjacking. As such, Shutter is drawn into the Mountain News conversations to defend his actions at the DBC Forum, especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.
Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters. Hence, the tensions are real and persistent. Their back-and-forth can be tedious, yet the bickering continues for it seems to serve some very deep needs.
Many Cooper aficionados are attracted to this action, and also to the opportunity to share pet theories or ask questions of the many Cooper sleuths in attendance. Surprisingly, many are young sleuths, such as Dovid Froiman, or NickyB123, who are passionate about their investigations. Dovid has a keen interest in the Tektronix connection uncovered by the Citizen Sleuth Team lead by Tom Kaye, who has identified over 100,000 unique metals and particles on the tie abandoned by DB Cooper on his airliner. Nicky, in turn, is exploring some of the Boeing employees of the 1971-era who would have the unique skill set and knowledge base that Cooper possessed, such as how to jump successfully from a 727.
Other posters are believed to be impostors, impersonating major figures in the DB Cooper investigation, such as a “Marla,” who seems to be trying to channel the infamous Marla Cooper, the charming lassie who spilled the beans about her Uncle Lynn Doyle Cooper to the FBI, who in turn announced in 2011 that LD Cooper was the “most promising” suspect in their 40-year investigation.
Some impostors are invoking the memory of past investigators, such as Sluggo, SafecrackerPLF, or Orange1 – all favorites of the online sleuthing community.
Yet, some illuminaries are legit. “Just Jo” seems to actually be Jo Weber, the Godmother of the DB Cooper Internet World, as she has been writing about her late husband, Duane Weber, since 1995. She continues to tout his supposed confession to the DB Cooper skyjacking, declaring he is the skyjacker despite Duane’s rejection by the FBI.
Frequent posters with good manners and interesting questions are Gypsy 23, TED, and Johnnie Green. Perhaps the most singular poster is Terry Batcher, who is a keen examiner of the letters sent to the FBI and signed “DB Cooper.” Terry is also deeply involved in the Zodiac and Jon Benet Ramsey murder investigations, and his lengthy missives add a quirky balance to the Norjak discussions, as that is the moniker the FBI has given to the DB Cooper investigation.
Current commentaries are concentrated on the DB Cooper article titled: DB Cooper News: “Flap over letters sent to FBI makes headlines nationwide,” posted on November 21, 2017. Link below:
Ironically, success is proving too difficult for the servers to maintain, and computer loadings are slowing down. As a result, I have been asked to start a new page to allow the comments to continue.
DB Cooper and the FBI – A Case Study of America’s Only Unsolved Skyjacking is available as an E-Book or paper back from Amazon.
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– BAS
Bruce, always the gentleman, and published author on DB Cooper, has the only site where multiple authors of this topic come to post. May your next 1000 be blessed.
Thank you, Gypsy, for your kind words.
Cooper podcast guy Darren S liked my response to this article. He said so on Facebook. Nothing like a neutral party to give a non-slanted opinion on things.
What response? I already posted the link. Another glitch, I suppose. 🙂
Glitch? Not exactly. I considered your post to be provocative. Proof of that is the chain of bickering posts that followed, which I had to scrub.
It’s Nickyb233 not 123 Bruce but thanks for the shout I appreciate the recognition…I am 29 years old, knocking on 30! I believe I am the youngest cooper sleuth out there. You old timers will not be around forever but the work you have done is invaluable, I will make it my mission to keep this case alive and carry on everybody’s efforts. I am determined to solve this thing! with the recent solving of the gsk cold case and the recent news of zodiac dna now being testing we that is all good stuff and will help possibly further dna testing with the cooper case.
233 it is!
I guess we’re back…..
Drop a little truth on some folks, they just fall to pieces. I never liked censorship much anyway.
When you try to squash the other side of a story, it only makes people wonder WHY. 🙂
I’ll let this one go, for now, RMB, but it is borderline provocative.
Well, sure it is. There are always two sides to every story, though.
No, the article is one a one sided view and will only cause the comments to continue. I was alerted of false accusations you wrote on that thread. from that point on you continued to add fuel to the fire bringing up my forum constantly trying to discredit. none of it should of been on the thread in the first place or we wouldn’t be here now. it all goes right back to the comments that were off topic started by you. a new thread is made and here you are trying to defend things that you started. I didn’t come here talking about you. the thread was closed due to the constant back and forth due to things written by you on that thread. there is no other way around it. do I make a wordpress article and post my side saying yours is slanted…it never ends.
questions were asked about the Jarvis allegations and you played games so I said I would try and get media help to look into the allegations. so, yes I’m trying to find a little truth you keep believing to drop on people. the article has now caused me to continue this argument in defense of your playing the victim in things you started. a new thread is born and takes up where the other thread left off with non cooper related gossip once again started by you right out of the gate.
Gypsy23, really, I have more than two authors on my site that post about topics such as this, not to include other well known posters to the Cooper community that are all verified. my site has over a million views if we are to play the numbers game. is this what you guys are all about? what topic are you referring too, Shutter, or the letters. that topic left the building a long time ago. visit the closed thread and see how soon I become the topic…
I’m OK with your comments about me Bruce, except that my last name is spelled Battcher, with two letter t’s, thank you. Yes, quirky it may seem, wild it may seem, crazy it may seem, but the documents and the “structure” of the crime fully support my contentions.
Today I wanna point out the taunting document that has the “No harm done” theme, found in the Cooper/Norjak FOIA files. Add to this the message about “Robin Hood” from the “I knew” letter. Before I make my main point on these two, I point out that ALL of the taunting documents retained in those files show linkage to one another, in either the envelopes or the documents themselves. This person is making some ‘subliminal suggestions’ here and playing upon those that have the sentiment that “Cooper put one over on ‘the man’.” And…he’s downplaying the the weight of the crime as well. Ask the stewardesses and/or flight crew in there was “no harm done?” You’re seeing also an “order out of chaos” justification tact that he’s taking. The book Mindhunter explains this concept.
I’m not a crime buff, I skipped seeing a lot of movies from the 70’s because of the graphic violence “shock and awe” effect they were blatantly exploiting. I pursue the study of the Ramsey case and the fanciful note mainly out of a sense of duty, and based mainly on righteous indignation. I also pursue that case because whether everyone else realizes it or not, they’re also being victimized by the Ramsey case, in terms of the systematic thwarting of basic justice that took place and is still taking place. The whole Ramsey case has several layers of sequential diabolical acts. The MSM has and still does engage in ‘subliminal suggestions’ regarding the Ramsey case. Early on they reported “no footprints in the snow” around the house. By itself this is a true statement, except that they left out the fact that the sidewalks were all cleared of snow! The MSM engaged in a string of similar ‘subliminal suggestions’.
Long before I started writing about the Cooper case, I already could see that the person that I refer to as Zodiac Jack, was leaving a journal of his activities. On YouTube have been a lot of recent videos by people claiming themselves as Zodiac killer experts, most of these people are phony’s. For awhile I’d zing them with this riddle: “What ‘noun’ do all of the picture drawings sent in by the so-called “Zodiac” have in common?” I’d let this same question hang for a week or more before returning to address it. Most of these same phony’s were smart enough not to take the bait, but not smart enough to realize that they were trapped. A truly objective researcher would have been honest and simply asked: “What are you getting at, Terry?” Well, the fact is, is that the word “jack” is the noun that all of the documents share. Hence; ‘Zodiac Jack.’
BTW, I’d never used the term “hence” until I began to study the Ramsey RN. “and hence” is not only redundant, it’s improper grammar. As a researcher of more than 7 years now, I also think that “and hence” is one of his subtle hints. On the surface it appears as though he’s mocking Patsy Ramsey’s use of the term “hence,” but I think that he also relished the “and and” aspect of that “and hence” term. I also assert that ALL of the taunting Cooper documents belong to Zodiac Jack. Study all of the somewhat subtle figurines on the “SKY MARSHALLS” envelope, then study the all of the somewhat subtle figurines on the Ramsey ransom note, hence only part of my assertion that Zodiac Jack left a journal for us to “FolLaW,” hint-hint.
I would have loved to put up a partition between Zodiac Jack and Jack Tarrance as a suspect, except that the Flova/FolLaW hints force my hand. Again, the only physical description that matches that of the sightings in the Zodiac cases, is that of Jack Tarrance. No other “darling” suspect make this criteria. And now it seems that his description is fully compatible with the “actual” description of the Cooper UNSUB, over 40, 185 lbs, hairline, and height.
Quirky? Yes…but the subject is damn quirky in it’s entirety.
Thank you Bruce!
“TT” it is.
As far as Jack Tarrance being Cooper, I suppose it’s possible. It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. They seem SO much different in their known personalities. You know…Zodiac was a pretty ruthless. When he killed that young couple, it was just a horror. That poor kid, putting his hands up trying to deflect the bullets crashing into him, while the girl (I believe) died crawling toward the front seat to try and start the car.
A real ugly and very tragic scene. It’s just hard for me to reconcile all that with a guy who seemed as polite as DB Cooper.
RMB said, quote: As far as Jack Tarrance being Cooper, I suppose it’s possible. It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. They seem SO much different in their known personalities. You know…Zodiac was a pretty ruthless. When he killed that young couple, it was just a horror. That poor kid, putting his hands up trying to deflect the bullets crashing into him, while the girl (I believe) died crawling toward the front seat to try and start the car.
A real ugly and very tragic scene. It’s just hard for me to reconcile all that with a guy who seemed as polite as DB Cooper. Unquote
Quote: It seems incongruent though that Zodiac and Cooper could be one and the same. Unquote
Well, a careful comparison of the taunting documents that followed the Cooper caper, show great similarities, as well as outright evidence that they came from the same person. Both crime series show the threat and/or use of deadly force. As far as “personalities”, we have only the “personality” characteristics that the perpetrator wants us to see. The Cooper UNSUB was very low key, which isn’t much to go on. In the third attack at Lake Berressa, Hartnell reported that the attacker wasn’t a raving lunatic, but was rather sedate and almost business like.
The first attack, which was on Faraday and Jensen, was an ambush. In the second attack, Mageau reported that the killer said “Hello Dee” to Darlene Ferrin. When Mageau started groaning from his non-fatal wounds, the killer doubled back and shot him again, which served as a message to Mageau to be careful not to make any noise.
The coverup of the Zodiac case still continues. A program called Mystery Quest, aired last night on the Quest station and was about the Zodiac killer cases. It was a shoddy documentary that left out several key facts about the case, like the fact that the killer was seen by two cops right after he murdered cabbie Paul Stine.
It’s my view that the Cooper caper acted to take the public focus off of the Zodiac series and on to the Cooper series. Despite this, the person that I currently refer to as Zodiac Jack, made sure that there were documents linking the cases. My research shows that he has been laying a document journal starting as early as 1946. A journal and story emerges once ALL of his rather cryptic statements are read in “congruence.”
I’ve discovered that the Ramsey ransom note has devices that show which statements are true, and which statements are false. He did this in two different ways: One was the use of the word “not” with a pointer on it, the other was by using an underline or over-line symbol, which is a device used in the business of computer science, in something known as “truth tables.” These same indicators work out in terms of the readily provable false statements, which in turn allowed him to show which of the rest of the statements are true. Remember that this is the “War and Peace” of ransom notes. Also bear in mind that taunting documents in the other cases that we link, are also very long and that there are several of them.
Only the description of Jack Tarrance fully fits in BD, Zodiac and Cooper criteria. Neither Gaikowski, nor any of the other “darling” suspects fits the criteria. And…the opposition to including Tarrance on that list as been systematic and fierce. BTW, that was a 2009 documentary where they tried to force fit Gaikowski. Jack Tarrance’s background and self-education, as well as his specialties fully fits. His whereabouts fits, his cars fit. His handwriting fits. His activities, like dipping his hands in acid, fits. The list of inclusive evidence for Tarrance, makes the inclusion of all of the other suspects look ridiculous. Hodel especially so. Otherwise, his some, Steve Hodel did a fairly good job on the documents that link BD and Zodiac. He painted himself into a corner with trying to force fit his father as the Zodiac killer. Sorry Steve, but that’s the truth.
Again, the BD Cooper hints, yes BD, not DB, speak volumes it terms of where I’m at and what can point to. But, the SKY MARSHALLS envelope is truly a smoking gun of linkage to the Ramsey ransom note. Hence “the journal,” I talk about.
Type-o, otherwise his “son,” Steve Hodel…etc
Terry, We could very soon know who the Zodiac killer was. DNA from the Zodiac killer was sent to be tested and they are going to try and find him the same way they found the Golden State Killer.
The Zodiac case is as big as the Cooper mystery. Take your pick, Nicky.
I think Zodiac is a much bigger case, because it involves families who suffered terrible tragedy at the hands of a complete wacko. Cooper is more of a ‘cutesy’ case, the story of a guy who ripped off ‘The Man’ and disappeared. A lot of folks (sort of) admire Cooper for having the guts and the absolute gall to take his chances out of a moving jet and trusting a chute given to him by the same people who were trying to catch or kill him. I would say he’s reached cult hero status.
I will tell you the hijacker I actually admire, and that’s Catherine Kerkow. She actually thumbed her nose at the US government and got away with it. They will NEVER find her LOL. If you haven’t read the book ‘The Skies Belong to Us – Love and Terror in the Golden Age of Hijacking,’ I highly recommend it. It’s up on my shelf along with Bruce’s book, and the fictional Ha Ha Ha, and a few others.
RMB said, Quote: I think Zodiac is a much bigger case, because it involves families who suffered terrible tragedy at the hands of a complete wacko. Cooper is more of a ‘cutesy’ case, the story of a guy who ripped off ‘The Man’ and disappeared. A lot of folks (sort of) admire Cooper for having the guts and the absolute gall to take his chances out of a moving jet and trusting a chute given to him by the same people who were trying to catch or kill him. I would say he’s reached cult hero status. Unquote:
That’s pretty much the common perception of the Zodiac killer…that he was a complete wacko. However, in contrast to that are many thing that show that whomever he was, he was pretty methodical, plotting and intelligent. After 7-8 years of study and review, I’ve developed a “take” on this person and what he was most likely all about. The posted Wikipedia article that I’ve seen has a pretty good basic overview of the Zodiac cases, but they’re missing some basic things that need bearing in mind.
Before I post a list of these noteworthy points, let me point out that I had saved the reading of Robert Graysmith’s books for last, because it was being reported that he was a liar. I dispute that he was an out and out liar, but I admit that Graysmith posted a few key things that would have been hard for me to prove or disprove, but these same things were accepted by key persons related to the victims, as being true. So, I never caught Graysmith lying, even he thought that Arthur Leigh Allen was directly involved. I’ve never seen any hard evidence that ALA was actively involved in the Zodiac activities. Interesting tidbits…yes, evidence no. However, ALA was a pedophile and thereby a probable linkage angle.
Basic things to bear in mind: 1) The whole “Zodiac” thing was fabricated after Darlene Ferrin was gunned down, leaving Mageau alive. 2) Betty Lou Jensen, victim of the first attack, bore a strong resemblance to second attack series victim, Darlene Jensen. 3) Darlene Jensen was stalked, and it’s fairly well established that she had witnessed a murder. 4)The third attack, or Lake Berryessa victims Brian Hartnell and Cecilia Shepard, had the emergence of the ominous executioners hood, with the Zodiac’s cross hairs symbol on it. Hartnell survived, Shepard died. Shepard had the hell stabbed out of her, Hartnell received non-fatal wounds. Had Hartnell died, no reports of the ominous executioners hood would have been happened. 5) Only one suspect ever named had a description that was fully compatible with all sightings, and especially so in the forth in the series of attacks on cabbie Paul Stine, as seen by two cops, and that description fits the exact description of Jack Tarrance. 6) Directly after the SFPD announced that they had a palm print on the suspect, Tarrance dipped his hands in acid up to his wrists! 7) The whole Zodiac bullshit was a huge cash cow feeding frenzy for the media jackals, just like Black Dahlia was in 1947 and the Ramsey case was in 1997. 8) All of these and other linked cases had lots of very cryptic and taunting messages, with lots of peculiar and specific details of linkage on them.
I have a lot more points I can make, but the list above contains some very basic facts which need bearing in mind. Amazingly, the Cooper FBI file documents act like a long piece of rope or cord that cinches these cases together! They contain information that is far to specific for a person such as myself to have conjured up! I bullshit no one!
Bruce Smith’s opening into quote: Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters. Hence, the tensions are real and persistent. Their back-and-forth can be tedious, yet the bickering continues for it seems to serve some very deep needs. Unquote.
Blevins is now willfully ignoring my last message and talking and side showing D-rings.
The main takeaways from my summary of points about the Zodiac killer cases are:1) To show that Darlene Ferrin was stalked and murdered, hence a REAL motive. 2) The Deep State’s fake news network steers the whole Zodiac killer bullshit afterwords with the Lake Berressa attacks, with the ominous executioners hood, hence a coverup, hence a strong hint as to who was actually behind the Zodiac killer series bullshit to begin with.
Noteworthy is the FACT that there have been an ongoing series of efforts to prematurely and wrongfully eliminate Jack Tarrance as a vial suspect from the get-go. Those same efforts speak volumes.
Now review the Sept 2016 ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey’ aired by CBS and produced by Critical Content. Do you see the pattern of criminal activity that’s been taking place?
Do you see all of the networks of TV and magazines that these same criminals control? Do you think that President Trump will truly be able to “drain the swamp?” Did you know that many of Trump’s supporters were from labor and farming? AFL-CIO indeed!
Do you see the pattern of criminal activity that took place with and following the JFK assassination? Have you seen what Jack Ruby said about himself when he was left to rot in jail?
Did you know that tall buildings hold large volumes of water in their penthouse’s, which act as water towers and aid in fire suppression? Do you believe that trash can fires can bring down buildings like the twin towers in about an hour of so? With massive amounts of gray steam poring out of them? With people trapped above the impact zone, standing in water up to their knees, a FACT which was suppressed by these same bastards?! Quirky?
Correction…viable suspect, (even though he was vial, as well).
How do I read the past post prior to this day.
Not exactly sure what you mean, Jo, but you can read the first 1,000 posts that were posted on the previous DB Cooper article. The link is in the above story.
The D Rings were NOT required for emergency chutes – why the two chute sent from the other man did not have D. Rings – he was a pilot and he had to carry chutes in the event the plane malfunctioned and they had to leave the plane….so D rings not required but most had them any way. OLD none jumper woman just explained the D rings -and why Cooper chose the chutes he did.
What Jo is saying is that Cooper didn’t at first recognize the NB8 as a bailout rig. No D rings needed. What Cooper did recognize is the military style chute, and grabbed it.
I am working on an article right now that should address all the chute questions once and for all. I’m basing it on the available FBI evidence and my interview with Norman Hayden. (Will take a few days to complete, cause it’s complicated folks) 🙂
But a partial answer is that the chutes owned by Norman Hayden…they would not require D-rings because of the way he used them. He would NEVER have worn a reserve chute, and only wore a main grudgingly due to the new rules sent down about stunt flyers back then. (They changed the rules so that sport flyers like Hayden HAD to wear one chute while doing stunts.) That’s why he bought his chutes in the first place, but he had absolutely no intention of EVER attaching a reserve to one.
FYI additional: Hayden has seen FBI agent John Detlor’s report on the chute ownership and deliveries. He has a copy of it framed in his office. Says it is completely, 100% accurate, except they left out the part that he had an agreement with Northwest Airlines that HIS chutes were being RENTED to the airline only. That’s how he got that one chute back from the FBI later, and donated it to the WA State History Museum.
Robert, the NB8 is a NAVY chute designed for emergency bailout. It was not designed to be mated to a front pack. Highly reliable. Cooper figured this out and used the spare front canister for packing the money.
Or…he may have disconnected the harness and container from the chute he jumped with, and used the container to haul out the cash. This would look better than walking down the road carrying a bank bag with leather handles, same type that armored car guards carry into banks. 🙂
and to be more technical the NB8 is a container with harness, and 28 foot diameter flat nylon canopy with 28 Gore’s. Saw one on eBay for $150.
I don’t want to speculate on why Cooper picked the chute he did. Brother, I have gotten myself in a boatload of trouble making suggestions on that. I will tell you one thing though. Since he popped the ripcord on one of the sport models FIRST, and cut lines from THAT before actually putting on a chute, this tells you he made his decision on which one before he pulled out that pocketknife.
I’m getting a lot of emails and Facebook messages asking me to do another discussion forum. Apparently, people miss Quickie Updates and camping posts. They don’t care about the rest. I have to say no on this one. I’m not going there a (2nd, 3rd?) okay maybe 4th time. It’s a nice thought but I can’t face it. 🙂
Johnnie Greene says in part: “Saw one on eBay for $150.”
Hock something if you have to and buy that sucker if its complete.
I apologize for the triple-post, (it’s late but thank God no work tomorrow) but that NB8 chute is at eBay here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-Navy-NB-8-Military-Parachute-complete/292549825554?hash=item441d541412:g:J9wAAOSwozxa7GtQ
It’s $150 with a whopping $78 bucks shipping. Ripcord might need replacement. Still a good deal if it is complete.
It would be a relic to own. Haul it around to parties. Wonder who signed the riggers card? Cossey? If so, then big bucks.
It could be used in the movie. Wonder if there is an old 727 on eBay? Lol.
[It was manufactured in Sept 74. Cooper was already 3 yrs into hiding.
Over at shutters website their talking about the lake elsinore paracenter report that was in the 302’s. Does anybody know if the report mentioned who they talked to over at the LE dropzone thinking about talking to the guy if he is still alive and in the area,
Thanks,
Nick
Lake Elsinore stuff: Go to Dropzone and ask someone there. That place is mentioned at the DZ all the time.
Hmm…movie producers we’re working with must be moving on something. Just got a request asking for a ton of documents and pictures in different formats, and in high-resolution. Some they have had already for a while, but not in what you would call ‘4K’ screen size, which is what they’re asking for. That’s going to keep me busy this weekend. I have a feeling something is finally breaking on the film. It’s about time. They’ve had the option for sixteen months, and if goes to another January, they will have to pay me a helluva lot more than they did LAST January. (contract stuff) And they have told me it probably won’t come to that.
Pretty exciting. I could ask them what’s going on, but it’s better to just give them what they want and not ask questions at this point. Two weeks ago, they messaged me with: “We should have something for you soon…” Fine. I’m the kind of guy who would rather wait for solid news than speculating on this situation right now, although I know they were able to secure a partnership with another studio to do the picture.
I was asked recently at Quora dot com whether another DB Cooper hijacking would be feasible. This was my answer:
https://www.quora.com/Would-a-D-B-Cooper-like-hijacking-be-feasible-in-todays-day-and-age-hypothetically/answer/Robert-Blevins-2?share=85fbb6a1&srid=u5GXa
That NB8 Robert found on eBay just got sold. Pretty quick. I guess Bruce’s site gets more traffic than we all thought.
Nah. It’s just been relisted is all. Link at the top of the page there leads to the new listing. Same chute. His price is good on the chute, but the 78 buck shipping is ridiculous. Common tactic at eBay.
Blevins, I actually found your answer on Quara to be a little bit interesting. I had never heard of Kerkow and that part of your answer was interesting. But I disagree with your notion that “Cooper got away with it”. Without knowing his fate, which we do not, then we can’t really say that. Second, if Cooper survived, the Tena Bar money is good evidence that he lost the money. So, he would fall in with the other group that you described as having died or lost the money. I know you don’t want to accept that, as it would hurt your Kenny story, but it is what it is.
Well, I guess my secret is out. You found out where I really hang on the internet. More than a half-million views to my answers to questions posed by nice folks says a lot.
There is no use in me trying to discuss the case, or provide further details publicly, to anyone who hangs out at Cooper Heaven. It is going nowhere, and will never go anywhere. It is the immovable object versus the irrestible force. It is left Twix and right Twix, or maybe ‘never the ‘twain shall meet’. The gap is far too large, the differences too profound.
One side is totally convinced KC wasn’t the guy, while the other is convinced he probably was. One side has tossed out insults in adfinitum and thinks they can publish whatever they wish, while the other gets penalized for responding. This is why I did not bother with a third, (maybe a fourth or fifth, who knows?) version of a discussion site. One side believed they were the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper, but rejected all offers to be included in the first-ever movie on Cooper. As far as internet differences, it is almost historical.
As far as the Tina Bar money, you will never get me to believe it ended up there by falling out of the sky accidentally from a jet that was at least six miles east of where it was found. We have been around and around on that one for years. In my mind, the evidence does not point to just ‘losing’ the money. I made several good (I thought) points on why, and all were either ridiculed or ignored. The theory that the FBI was plain wrong on the flight path is simply the easy way out of a complex situation. ‘Let’s just move the plane a few miles, and that will explain everything…’ is what I see in that theory.
My belief on how the money arrived at Tina Bar is more complex, and actually more HUMAN. I think it happened a few years after the hijacking, not during the hijacking. I think it was an effort to throw off the cops when the cops decided to play their little game on Cooper in Portland in 1976. That’s why they never found a body, a briefcase, a parachute, (unless you think the Amboy chute was his chute, and that’s over the flight path anyway) or any shred of evidence right up to the present day.
I’ve been accused of a lot of things that either have to do with this case, and some that don’t, (*he never took a bullet fragment in the arm…never got washed out past Ozette Island for days, etc*) but I’ve never been accused of being dumb. 🙂
It’s a simple concept really. Any turn that severe would have been noticed by Cooper. See the map at Imgur dot com. I imagine he would have picked up the interphone and said: “Where the eff are you GOING?”
Part of a Blevins post is, quote: “It is left Twix and right Twix, or maybe ‘never the ‘twain shall meet’.” Unquote.
‘The Twain Shall Meet’ is the title of an interesting and uncanny episode of ‘Wanted, Dead or Alive.’ This is more evidence that Blevins has been reading my postings. Blevin then proclaims, quote: “The gap is far too large, the differences too profound.”
The over-all evidence shows that the Cooper UNSUB survived the jump. Let’s not forget that a army of people gleaned that area after the jump…had there been a corpse, the dogs would have found it. The high impact of a human body leaves distinctive traces that dogs are not gonna miss, even if the impact is on water. Furthermore and again, the post Cooper jump documents show inside crime scene knowledge that probably only the Cooper UNSUB knew. I say “probably” for several good reasons.
Blevins undermines his own credibility with several faulty, false and arrogant authoritative proclamations.
BTW, the episode of ‘The Twain Shall Meet’, conveys several messages, one of which strongly hints which foreign forces have there fingers in the big American pie and business in general.
And to relate back to Parrot’s post above, I am a little suspicious of the 540,000 view Blevins boasts of. Is there a way to roll the view meter forward a few hundred thousand turns? Most tangential posts are only in the low 1000 range. Something phoney going on.
Gypsy says: “And to relate back to Parrot’s post above, I am a little suspicious of the 540,000 view Blevins boasts of. Is there a way to roll the view meter forward a few hundred thousand turns? Most tangential posts are only in the low 1000 range. Something phoney going on…”
Robert says: No plot, no phony view meter. All stats are done by Quora dot com, not users, and are legit. What happens is that if your answers are popular at Quora, they sometimes forward them on to thousands of users at a time. I have over 100 followers and have answered nearly 400 questions there. That will definitely get the traffic. Whaddaya want? I’m popular there. 🙂
As far as Cooper, I think I’ve answered about a dozen questions in that category. I usually get two or three email requests a day on a particular question. It’s not magic, just a Q and A site.
Robert, how do you know what Cooper would have noticed and how he would have reacted. These are merely more assumptions by you, based on nothing.
“Robert, how do you know what Cooper would have noticed and how he would have reacted. These are merely more assumptions by you, based on nothing…”
Took me a minute to figure out what you were actually asking about. You are referring to the actual flight out of Seattle. Ever been on an airliner that makes a turn partway through the flight, even a gradual one? Even a SLIGHT change in course?
It’s pretty noticeable. The location of the placard PROVES that Flight 305 was on the course detailed on the FBI’s online map. In order to put the jet over Tina Bar south of that point, you would have to make a starboard turn in a reletively short amount of time. Nothing about R99’s theory about the Tina Bar money comes close to fitting the known facts. It’s a convenient theory invented to explain the money, but frankly…does a very poor job of explaining anything about it.
Not that it matters, but I’ve been flying out of SeaTac to Reno and SkyHarbor in Phoenix for many years. I have reletives in Vegas, Reno, and the Phoenix area. None of the flights I ever took to those cities went along the Columbia anywhere near Tina Bar. They crossed over the river in Portland, to the EAST of Interstate 5. You can see the freeway for quite a ways going south, and it’s always out there on your right. Always.
“You can see the freeway for quite a ways going south, and it’s always out there on your right. Always.”
When you leave SeaTac Airport, you soon cross over the interstate not long after takeoff. Then you move further east and can’t see it anymore. You are heading SSE. Then you get so far east you can’t see it again until you get closer to Portland. But at no time do you EVER cross back over that freeway. It is always going to be on your RIGHT. Tina Bar is a few miles WEST of the freeway.
My apologies for triple posting, (too bad there is no editing function on comments) but what R99 proposes is that Flight 305 did a Wrong-Way Corrigan right turn to cross over the interstate and fly over Tina Bar….
And then decided to make a LEFT turn to get back on course for Reno. Frankiy, it’s ridiculous. The jet did arrive in Reno, you know. Try tracing that crazy course on a map sometime and see what you get. Doesn’t make a bit of sense and is miles out of the corridor.
people often speak as passengers vs pilots. cooper should have been on the intercom a little after 7:59. that’s when they turn to line backup with V23 which starts a easterly turn. two heavy rolls are needed to follow the FBI flight path. now, from the Maylay intersection it wouldn’t require any turns. many people mistake flying like they are driving. the map doesn’t really show you how the plane actually fly’s..some heavy rolls are where most think it’s just a turn. from the Maylay intersection is only a couple degree’s west to line up with the Columbia and would go unnoticed by just about anyone.
Flight 305 was granted any airspace they desired. V23 was picked due to the elevation problems close to Reno with the mountains. no, you will not fly along the Columbia during many flights, but those didn’t include a hijacker.
I’m not sold on R99’s theory either as it needs a whole lot more proof. shooting it down before all the pieces are in place doesn’t help. it makes sense to fly away from populated area’s but a lot of evidence supports the known flight path..
Cooper received no updates, it was dark with heavy cloud coverage. since he didn’t ask how they were getting there he wouldn’t be wondering why a turn happens. nobody flying out of Seattle would have a flight path as they present this path either..
The biggest problems I had on the simulator was the time frames between the Lewis river and the Columbia..the timing is off by over a minute and more heavy rolls that make no sense occur..you can’t see them on the map.
Major Dan Dawson, senior director of the 25th NORAD out of McChord AFB also claims a different story..his conclusion was “he hit with one helluva thump, either in the river or close to it” Dawson was there in 1971..the article was made soon after the money was found..
you never know…maybe something will come up tomorrow 🙂
One reason I just can’t buy the ‘flew over Tina Bar’ scenario is the condition of the found bills. I think if they had been out in the elements for nine years, the only thing left of them would have been mushy green and white oatmeal, if that.
My personal belief, and it’s only a theory, is that the money was somehow a ruse done after November 24, 1975 when the FBI obtained their John Doe warrant. That was all over the Northwest TV news when they did that. It was a big deal, because not long prior, some TV news stations ran stories about the approaching statute of limitations. Then that idea just vanished for Cooper. But instead of the bills being found in a short time, they sank to the bottom of the river and were later dredged to the place they were eventually found. The shards show that the money almost HAD to end up there through the dredging process.
Correction: November 24….1976.
Well, this is certainly interesting:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/believed-identity-of-db-cooper-revealed-46-years-after-notorious-skyjacking-in-new-memoir-published-by-principia-media-300649652.html
Book became available today at Amazon:
To some extent I agree with Robert’s post regarding the westward turn by a jet and being noticed by a passenger. I’ve felt that too. According to FBI, flight 305 flew a dogleg around PDX
But only slightly to the west not far out to Tina Bar.
Also, Georger claims that someone named Janet saw the jet fly over Vancouver and Cooper jumped out there. I think Georger’s theory is correct.
“Also, Georger claims that someone named Janet saw the jet fly over Vancouver and Cooper jumped out there. I think Georger’s theory is correct…”
Not Georger’s theory. A report by Galen C. See the original article. (and if you believe that story, I have some beachfront property in Kansas you might be interested in. 🙂 )
My apologies, but that story became non-believable the minute Janet claimed a Man in Black came to her door and made threats. ‘Janet’ is not actually identified, as well.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2519317/posts
“Grand Rapids-based Principia Media says Cooper was a former military paratrooper named Walter R. Reca — the latest in a long string of people to be publicly linked to the crime over the years.”
I guess I’m the only one who can find anything on this suspect. This is what I found:
Age 38 at the time of the hijacking. Was a member of the 82nd Airborne.
Obit reads: Walter was born on September 20, 1933 and passed away on Monday, February 17, 2014. Walter was a resident of Oscoda, Michigan.
Blevins says of Robert99’s theory: It’s a convenient theory invented to explain the money, but frankly…
Then he says that he thinks: “that the money was somehow a ruse done after November 24, 1975 when the FBI obtained their John Doe warrant”.
So how is Blevins theory not a convenient theory invented to explain the money?
As far as the new suspect goes, I’ll hold out judgement until I hear more, but right now I’m not buying it. If they are going to explain what he did with the money, as I read earlier, then he’s not the guy. Copper, if he even survived, lost the money.
Smart crime, dumb ransom demand speaks volumes about the Cooper caper. Note also the rather screwy demand of “negotiable bills” (or whatever the exact phrasing was?). The ransom demand is a joke. Had anyone spent those bill, they’d have left a trail. A smart ransom demand would have meant money deposited into a foreign account that, in turn, forwarded into a country less friendly to the US. Furthermore, Cooper UNSUB could have then warned Northwest not to intercept the money via the FBI, or he’d return and blow up the plane or damage the plane.
My view is that the ransom demand was meant to ultimately taunt everyone and anyone that wasn’t smart enough to realize that the ransom would NOT be “negotiable bills.”
That whole area of the drop zone was gleaned by an army, no corpse, no chute. Human corpse scent is an easy find for dogs. One unrelated corpse found in Lake Merwin later on, shows that the search was thorough.
The Tena Bar money location and evidence is another screwy business. The basic evidence doesn’t jibe to that location….meaning human intervention puts it there.
I’m probably “preaching to the choir” parrotheadvol and I don’t mean to be condescending, it’s just that Blevins appears to be poised to bury this thread too with is endless and dominating filibuster of garbage.
Tena bar goes nowhere fast , so why not set it aside, let it alone and discuss the things that have a better chance of making a difference? Blevins willfully disregards basic certain case facts, that = lying. Deception IS lying. “Twain shall meet,” indeed!
Tina Bar money? How do you know he lost it? Aren’t you forgetting about the OTHER $194,200 (appproximately) they DIDN’T find on the Columbia? Explaining the money is pretty difficult, but just moving the aircraft west a few miles certainly isn’t a good theory IMHO. Where is the body, the chute, the briefcase, the remainder of the money? How was more than one bundle of the cash found in the same spot miles from the jet? Even if Cooper went into the Columbia over Portland, it’s a pretty big stretch to think more than a single bundle would be found in the same exact spot miles downriver? Do you believe the money was exposed to the elements for over nine years? That would be a requirement if he lost the money. Tom Kaye and his team didn’t think it had been out that long. Neither do I.
Side Note: I keep getting emails about the AB Forum. People want it to return. Gayla and Greg don’t. I answered a few of the emails and said, “Not speaking on the Cooper case would be a numero uno requirement…we have WordPress for that…” 🙂 I dunno.
New suspect? I would like to see the book. Ordered yesterday from Amazon.
Yes, I do believe that all of the money has been out there in the elements since the hijacking. Absolutely. I believe it was all there and some of it wound up on Tena Bar. What is more likely, that the Tena Bar money find represents all of the money out there that could possibly be found OR that the Tena Bar money was just a small part of what was out there? Statistically, I would think the latter is the case.
In other words, it’s hard to find a needle in a haystack. But put 500 needles in that same haystack and it’s much easier to find one needle. I think that is what the Tena Bar money is – just a small part of what was in the Columbia.
when nobody puts any comments on a forum you have Facebook, wordpress etc. to do the very samething….websites also don’t require any comments…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j34UJzgZIzI
Lol. The new suspect makes Christianson suddenly look credible.
Where’s the merit and foundation for this guys “take” on the Cooper case? Why does this particular publisher get MSM press attention without even offering up any evidence whatsoever? This story was from back in 2008! Ten years ago already! It shows you just how sloppy of liars the Deep State/fake news press cabal has become lately.
I’ll tell you why…it’s because they wanna bury the truth about the Cooper case, try to keep it a mystery, flex their muscle of control over the press and sucker people into buying a book that has no merit. If it did have any merit, why wasn’t it sold 10 years ago?
First, it’s not fair to continue to discuss Christiansen. Not by me, anyway. The reason is: AB of Seattle, in coop with the two companies we are working with at present…are forced to keep certain information secret for the upcoming film. So for me to claim *for sure* he was Cooper is not fair to YOU, or anyone else in the public for that matter. Everyone’s opinion at AB and down south in LA is basically the same. We wait, We let the movie present our case and see what falls out of the woodwork. The Agent Jarvis and Bentz evidence goes into the film. That part I like, because sooner or later…someone is going to have to answer for that. And they WILL. Those statements, that situation with Jarvis…well, someone must be held accountable for that. It’s iike that old line from Desi Arnaz: “Luuuucy….you got some ‘splainin’ to do!” No kidding.
Parrothead says in part: “Yes, I do believe that all of the money has been out there in the elements since the hijacking. Absolutely. I believe it was all there and some of it wound up on Tena Bar…” etc.
Fair enough. This theory does present some problems though. Hell…ANY DAMN theory on the Tina Bar money presents problems. I’ve always said that the finding of the money actually created more questions than it actually answered.
Shutter: Our WordPress on Cooper took a huge leap today in traffic, probably fallout from people Googling Cooper on the Reca suspect stuff today. Over 800 hits and 200 visitors. I’m getting a fair number of emails from people who aren’t necessarily Cooper fans, but who say they miss ‘Quickie Updates’ at the AB Forum, and the camping stuff we were posting up. The main AB site has been around for 12 years, and people apparently would hit the link to the AB Forum from there, or maybe the links at Facebook etc. I dunno. I actually set up another forum, but haven’t made it public. If I release it, there won’t be a shred of Cooper there. Not a whisper, not a peep of him or KC. I actually DO believe YOUR site at the DB Cooper Forum dot com should be the discussion site for the case, not some forum hosted by AB. As a control, it’s also good that there is some secondary discussion here at Bruce’s place. And anything WE do on the Cooper case should be restricted to WordPress. I think this is the best way all around to avoid more problems in the future.
I don’t know about you…but personally I am tired and fed up with all the Cooper Vortex fighting crap. I have a car to restore that I stand to make a few thousand dollars on, and not a whole long time to do it. I have obligations coming up soon for the Cooper film. I have a regular job, although I am partially retired on that now. I work weekends for a nice senior lady, and maybe three days during the week. I’m trying to finish my autobiography, ‘Cooperland,’ and I can’t wrap that until they release the film…the damn list goes on and on. I have to start picking my goals, so to speak, and some stuff I need to cut from my life. Arguing over the Cooper case is one of them.
“I work weekends for a nice senior lady, and maybe three days during the week…” (three days during the week means my regular job)
“I have to start picking my goals, so to speak, and some stuff I need to cut from my life. Arguing over the Cooper case is one of them…” (Or worrying about what is posted elsewhere on Cooper or KC.)
Robert, you have just provided the fuel for the ultimate question: why do the rest of us damn fools care a hoot about the DB Cooper case?
Well…I can’t answer that. I wouldn’t call Cooper fans fools, no. (Okay, maybe one or two LOL). I think it’s obvious I’ve taken my part in this whole crazy thing as far as I can. Even though Geoff Gray’s publishing company, Crown Books, was able to sell the movie option, they never made the movie. It’s like that old line from Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 when they asked him why his upcoming moon mission was the last one he would do for NASA:
“I can’t imagine topping that…” he said in the movie.
It’s the same thing here. We’re either right or wrong, and either way it goes, I’m certainly not leaping off the Narrows Bridge on the results. One thing people will always have to admit is that we tried, and we tried HARD to make sense of the whole thing. We made mistakes galore along the way, that’s for sure. But I think we have the best possible package presented now. Report is public, has been downloaded thousands of times. Movie coming. Book is only semi-accurate, but that was based on 2009-2010 information and it led us in other directions afterward, some of which were interesting indeed.
There’s nothing else I can do. I think the appeal of Cooper is that he simply stuck it to the Man, the FBI, the airline, the insurance company, and was never found. Some people say he was killed in the jump. Most of those people don’t live in the Northwest. I think something would have turned up by now. But nothing ever did except some unexplained money on a riverbank.
I just watched the suspect others have – and NO WAY. That man was NOT Cooper.
The money or part of it was put in a shed somewhere near the DALLES and in a shed that leaked…When Duane move the furniture there had been a leak…so the money hidden there had been damaged so he disposed of it a few days later in 1978 if that is the correct date…We went to a convention in Seattle. Duane asked the President of the company how badly they were hurt but the storm and flood in a past incident…the man said they were still using the ferry to get to the main land in Seattle….The man was curious as to how Duane knew so much about Wa. Seemed to raise an eyebrow.
Duane disappeared the afternoon before we left Seattle – he was late returning and did not get back until he had barely time to change clothes for the banquet. I asked where he had been and he said visiting with an old friend who had an office in a building not far from where the hotel was…I forget the name of the hotel…He mentioned a name that I have long forgotten but in my early writing I did state the name…it was Swedish and pronouced on one and written another way….I believe it was Alana but not spelled the way it sounded.
After we left Seattle Duane took me to a few places on our way to Tena’s Bar…and at that point I was instructed to STAY in the car….and that is how the money got on Tena’s bar…When he got back in the car he moved a Paper bag to the middle of the floor board and I asked what it was – he said some trash he was going to get rid of at our next stop – which happened to be a motel at the base of the bridge to Or. No longer remember the name now…but Bruce and I had Dinner at the new motel there when I went out to WA. The old hotel had a checking room to the left with an opening into the back – but Duane sent me to the right and told me where he snacks were and the restrooms.
When I went back to the opening and out to the back – Duane was standing on the pilings looking down the river…and I asked what he was doing…his reply ‘Watching that bag float down the river”.
I hit the ceiling as I could not see it and checked the Barrels – they were all empty – so he really did throw the bag and its contents into the river….I could not see the bag but he pointed out were it was…it was our of my site…but as he pointed it was not going down the Wa side but was way out in the water to the South side….he tried to explain the river to me and the flow…why I do not know.
Then 5 months later the money is found on Tena’s bar and Duane suddenly is leaving my daughter and myself in Colorado and that he would send for us later….We had a Caddy at that time but he traded that for the Olds after we got back to Colorado…
When the money was found he announced he was going to got see about a job in the EAST…we were making good money. But he left my daughter and I in CO and she finished the School yr and he came back for her graduation – he was driving another new car…he said the Olds had some problems – it was BRAND NEW.
He quizzed my daughter on the coach and his wife…same name as one of the stewardess had married….;he did not stay very long and left the next morning to go back to the east after making arrangement for my daughter and I and a van and a help driver….who was a young man who was supposedly the son of a friend ….who shared he driving of the van. We were towing my car.
The young man was joining a group that was going to some hiking in the N.E. area – I forget the name of the trail.
Old story but answers the money on Tena’s bar and the fragments found…only 5 months later.
Why did Duane leave SO fast – he was gone 10 days after the money find…That money was damaged when he retrived in someplace near The DALLES not more than a 2 hour drive away.
The truth died with Duane and the rest of the story is going to die with me – but, I know that he was Dan Cooper – not on iota of a doubt..
When I get there he will be waiting for me with that grin on his face – his best friend and I will probably get there about the same time.. as Bill and I are close in age – Duane was older.
I wish he had recorded our song “You’ll Never Know if YOU Don’t know now” – He had a beautiful voice and he sang like a professional use of hands and move and all…he was a good husband and a good father and his story will live on even after I am gone.
Someday – a day I hope comes before I leave this earthly body – the truth will be known…but with all of the WANNABES out there – will probably never happen. The truth is buried under all of the theories and multiple people who want to be the ones to tell their story – even though they KNOW they are lieing – the worse of which is the one who promotes Kenny.
Not doing well these days – but hope to live to see the truth told but that will take a miracle or 2 or 3 or 4. I know the truth – but I do not know the entire story…Duane told me about the man named Alana and about the woman who became a man (Duane’s sister even sent him a pic of this woman – man) while we were living in Virginia…that photo and the others disappeared in Alabama after we had a flood on the lower level of the house we lived in.
Don’t be too cruel…as long as I can – I will try to read what is out there – but not for long – each day gets more and more difficult – my only prayer is that I know the truth before my time comes but as Bill has told me – we will know when we see him again….and that is up there some where – but unfortunately I don’t have the faith Bill has – when we die we just die & there is no spirit or other world beyond us….we live only in the memories of others.
“watching that bag float down the river.”
No way Duane was talking about you?
Bruce fix my spelling and grammar – to tired to do it. Love all of ya – even if you don’t believe one word I say – I know that I have told the truth and nothing but the truth….at this time I find it difficult to beileve there is another life after this one.
Jo, we love your assertiveness. You went from skyjack71 to Just Jo then to Ms Cooper. I thought Christianson was gay and never married. Someone needs to call billsh*t on either you or Blevins.
People have called ‘baloney’ on me LOTS of times. It’s a long line. You’ll have to find a spot in the back. I just point them to the downloadable report on Christiansen at the main AB site, the DB Cooper Info Page at the same place, the YouTube videos, and the twenty articles at WordPress.
Or they can ask questions of me, (PRIVATELY via email or at Quora dot com) and I am happy to answer. It’s no big secret, no mystery, no anonymity. 🙂 Works very well.
TC I do not know who you are…Christianson was Gay and he never married. I used different email names and the AOL thing has them all screwed up….I have not tried to figure it out…I just go with whatever is there….,,I do not know who you are or why you made the statement above…
I was Skyjack71 on the site that got shut down…and Just Jo on other sites and I have used the MsCooper many times….there is no BULLSHIT in my story…it is all the the honest to GOD things I remember…I have made nothing up – and if I speculated – I so stated that I thought or could have been…but mostly it is what I know…my memory is getting bad but if you will point out what you are staying and what you mean I will try to answer you…
I have reviewed the available material on the latest suspect in the case, Reca or whatever. No comment, I will leave that to others. Book should be here in a few days, but I figure it’s just coming to add to my Cooper book collection. No comments on that either, but I will read it just out of curiosity on my next camping trip, which is coming in mid-June.
I had a few Amazon gift cards laying around from last Christmas, so what the heck. I used part of one to pick up the book. 🙂 My guess is that it would have been better served on another tarp.
Just open the forum Robert…you opened and closed it so many times before stating it was permanent so why stop now..my suggestion was since no comments happen Facebook would be the simplest way for “quickie updates” ..same for WordPress…or even a page on your website..why open a discussion board if nobody comments except through email?
I would of thought you would be on top of the new suspect to discuss with the producers. after all the headlines read like yours “The real Cooper found” …that could cause disruption while trying to prove someone else is Cooper. “The Real Cooper Found” conflicts with “The real Reason They Closed the Cooper case” both headlines have strong words (the real) but lack any real proof.
I’m amazed that national coverage was so easy to get with a bunch of ridiculous claims such as Cooper not knowing what type of plane he was on, or the stew telling him to jump out the side door. you think R99’s theory is off…try 60 miles east of Seattle for the LZ. the parachute is right by the LZ under a few branches lol..some people will buy right into it though..why, because of the way it’s presented and lack of knowledge about the case. being gullible is a big factor as well..
I wouldn’t doubt producers are contacting them as we speak…
I will hold on the forum idea for now. Truth is, I got enough to do without having to watch a forum. It’s no big deal.
As far as the Reca information, I ordered the book. I’m not making any judgments until I read it. As far as the article on the Bentz information, ‘the real reason…” etc. that article was based on a great deal of verified witness testimony from three sources. I had to go public on something like that. It just sits out there like the gorilla in the room waiting for an explanation. When you name a current FBI agent on a story like that, sooner or later…something is going to give on it.
it’s hearsay..just like Walter Reca is doing telling his story on a tape recorded conversation..
actually I’m calling a news reporter in a few minutes concerning that very issue..
“Hey Dave – If you send me your number, I’d be happy to discuss what I think. I don’t have the time to type it all up.”
The press gets bored. There are only so many ways to continue the Trump witch hunt and the public is getting weary of it. So they dig up Cooper again. Another suspect, about ever two or so years. The case has legs. Christianson in 07, Marla in 2011, Colbert in 2016, and now Reca. While the case is a great distraction from divisive politics, the pool of suspects is getting wackier. What’s next? 90 year old suspect with full blown Alzheimer’s who remembers jumping out of lawn chair full of helium balloons and a bag full of 20’s?
Hmm. Witch hunt? I was asked at Quora dot com why Mueller hasn’t yet brought an indictment against Trump after a year of investigation. This is what I answered: https://www.quora.com/Robert-Mueller-has-been-pursuing-his-case-against-Donald-Trump-for-1-year-now-If-there-was-a-real-case-here-then-why-hasn-t-he-found-enough-evidence-to-post-an-indictment-yet/answer/Robert-Blevins-2
Reca and the book that originated from that story? I think the person who wrote the book failed to at least meet the minimum expectations required on matching the known facts of the hijacking. This isn’t the Cooper hijacking we’re talking about. Must be another Northwest Airlines hijacking LOL.
Yeah, just like Robert Blevins had Capt. Scott walking back to meet DB Cooper and having a casual chat together in his book, “Blast.” Guess these are beyond the minimum requirements, eh Robert?
I suppose that would count…IF that were actually IN the book. It isn’t. It was something I mistakenly thought at one time, and it was quickly sqaushed at Dropzone. By the time the book was released in January 2011, I already knew better and it was not included.
Gypsy: You may not realize this, but when people email me and ask for a copy of Blast in PDF, I just send it to them. Next time you want to quote from the book, maybe you should read it first. I will be happy to provide you a copy. adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail. 🙂
Before wasting time and money on the Walter Reca story, read the FOX news report and have your bullshit detector tuned up. The story is old news “created” back in 2008 by a Michigan based publisher. (“created”, their description, not mine.) The emergence of this story isn’t because the press gets “bored”, it’s pure propaganda, which is intended to to subliminally program the sheeple. It’s yet another desperate fake news attempt by the so-called “Deep State” cabal, and it clearly demonstrates their overreaching control of the MSM. FOX news was at least smart enough to use this specific title: ‘DB Cooper identified? Publisher says mystery hijacker was ex-paratrooper from Michigan,’ with the question mark in the opening header remark.
The Ramsey case and the OCCK cases show a Michigan…. and especially a Detroit Michigan home base of these same fiends. The Lockheed Martin money and control angle is where to look for the true motive in the Ramsey case. Lockheed bought John Ramsey’s company Access Graphics. Access Graphics had done over one billion dollars in sales in 1996. Ramsey’s favorable business reputation that he had before the murder of his daughter, would have put him in good shape as a chief executive….someone didn’t want that to happen. Both the Ramsey case and the OCCK cases reek of police corruption.
The Zodiac killer persona hinted repeatedly that “editors” and “police chiefs” are the main people that his associates had control over. He accentuated certain key words by intentionally misspelling them. Like “controol”(sp) for the word control.
can you provide the link….I would like to post it on my forum…
My yahoo mail service has been hacked so many times in the past, that I wouldn’t trust any link, either in sending or receiving. Use the title description and search it by that. I did notice that so far, it appears that Google is laying low on this latest Walter Reca nonsense.
As far as the sites that seem to specialize and dominate Ramsey case information go, you again have to tune up bullshit detector on their information as well.
For example, the claim that Ramsey’s company did a billion dollars in sales, is well established. When you start getting into other areas of the crime itself, that’s when you have to be very wary of what’s being said.
I try to deal with information that the public can readily see and prove for themselves. In the Ramsey crime, the pineapple evidence can be something that a reader can get needlessly bogged down in. They need to set it aside, mainly because the cops hold all of the cards of evidence, and the public forum is filled with plenty of faulty speculation. If I speculate on anything, I will do so in the form of a question.
From what I’ve all seen and read about the Tena bar money in the Cooper caper, it’s much the same way. From what I’ve read so far, I tend to side with those that claim that the Tena bar money find can only be explained by human intervention. However, I’m open to reviewing that whole business. For my current purposes, it’s a subject that I can set aside for the time being.
Terry, they started the investigation in 2008. it’s the same publisher..
Right
Good report. TERRY.
The “public” is speaking out just as I thought they would…
“Cant wait for the movie…starring Tom Cruise”
“They should make a movie about this”
“I think you have fantastic evidence!! This is so great and well done!! You may have actually solved the case of D.B Cooper.”
“mystery of DB Cooper has been solved”
some are now claiming the sketch is fake like the flight path..this is what happens when you have a REAL press conference if you want to gain attention..Hollywood “confidence is high”
“Cant wait for the movie…starring Tom Cruise”
“They should make a movie about this”
“I think you have fantastic evidence!! This is so great and well done!! You may have actually solved the case of D.B Cooper.”
“mystery of DB Cooper has been solved”
Well, a few shill comments aren’t going to convince the general public of the validity of the information. As of this morning, there is only one review of the book at Amazon, and it isn’t even a review, but a weird sort of question. That’s because the book was only made available a day or two ago and anyone ordering the book would still have not received it. Maybe today…if you have Prime and two-day shipping, some buyers might start receiving copies.
Shutter: If you post people’s comments like that, you should state your source. They didn’t come from Amazon, obviously. This publishing company might have held a press conference, but they certainly weren’t very organized on releasing the book. When Crown Books released the Geoff Gray book, they were smart enough to send out advance copies to reviewers prior to release. This is traditional for larger publishers, and in Gray’s case, worked very well. By the time the book was released at Amazon and elsewhere, there were already several solid reviews of the book in place by known folks. Some of them had pictures of the reviewers included, and some were done by prime reviewers (top 1000 or better) at Amazon. And although it didn’t stay there very long, only a week…Gray’s book did make the top 25 New York Times bestseller list. It was a pro job all the way.
This Reca book was a bit of an amateurish effort for a release. But what sometimes happens is the book will get a lot of advance orders as it did this week, but they soon taper off, and then when people start actually READING the book…then you have to start watching for the shill reviewers (people who are associated with the publishing company or the author(s) to start posting glowing reviews.) I expect this will start happening pretty soon with the Reca book. But not only is Amazon cracking down on this stuff, but the reading public often sees right through shill reviews for what they are. Right now the Reca book is doing pretty well at Amazon, which will help the publishers recoup their costs, but my bet is that this won’t last long.
This was the case with Bruce’s book, (people associated with the author doing reveiws) but at least these reviewers (Formans’, MartyA, 377, etc) identified themselves as knowing the author personally, which is at least honest. Nothing wrong with that at all. But watch for phony shill reviews to start appearing soon on the Reca book. It’s either that…or readers will realize how much of a BS story the Reca Fable is, and start saying why at Amazon.
I can tell you from experience that it isn’t so easy to get a movie made from a Cooper book. Gray’s ‘Skyjack’ was sold for film back in 2012 to CBS Films. But CBS soon sold them over to Will Gluck’s (‘Friends With Benefits,’ ‘Annie,’) production company, and yet no film was ever made. Gray still received a fair amount of money for the option, no doubt of it, but no actual movie.
Selling an option from a book to make a movie is only the first step. The production company holding the option must somehow obtain financing, and that costs millions of dollars both in production costs and marketing. Been there, done that. As some of you know, AB of Seattle has now received two option payments, the last of which was $2,500 to extend the option one additional year to January 2019. No official announcement yet on a start to production shooting, but we’re hoping. I have been urged to have patience, and was assured that if a third payment becomes necessary in 2019, the production company will gladly pay it.
I suspect the Reca story is a load of baloney, but I will reserve final judgment until I actually read the book. Should arrive in the coming week. 🙂
no need to post where it came from…the whole thing is a joke. the comments are real and came from a reliable site (non cooper) it’s just a few of many…I doubt this thread will put a dent in the Reca story nor is it meant to…
a real Hollywood producer with money won’t play around for years, they buy the rights and make the film…
Quote and response: “no need to post where it came from…the whole thing is a joke. the comments are real and came from a reliable site (non cooper) it’s just a few of many…”
Robert says: There is always a need to quote a source, if you have one. Maybe I should have left off Agent John Jarvis’ and Troy Bentz’ name from the WordPress article? 🙂
“a real Hollywood producer with money won’t play around for years, they buy the rights and make the film…”
Robert says: Your uninformed statement only shows you don’t know much about filmmaking. (Not that I am some big expert either, but even I know better than that.) Although some books do go almost directly from best seller to film, the majority of books optioned for film can take years to actually reach the big screen. The most famous example is probably the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which took twenty years in its 1978 version, and many more for the live-action Peter Jackson version.
Two to five years on a modestly successful book, accompanied by four drawers stuffed with notes, pictures, and records on an investigation that lasted years…does not seem unreasonable. And it’s only been sixteen months since we signed for the movie. Have patience. I know it’s tough for you perhaps, but trust me…it’s tougher on us here at AB. But it’s better to be optioned than to NOT be. We try to remember that around here. And we’re trying to make it as easy for the producers as possible to sell the picture, cooperating with them fully, and holding Skype meetings occasionally.
They may or may not actually make the movie. It’s always a crap shoot. In that case, I will accept the option payments as basically free money, and move on. But the ‘moving on’ part is nowhere around just yet. 🙂
Robert, actual Hollywood production companies, the ones you seek for money won’t play around with options..they but the rights and move..call me what ever you wish..
I’m not calling you anything except uninformed.
Unless you are Stephen King or something, it DOES take a while to bring a book to film. I could point out a few more famous examples, like Catch 22, which took nine years, and many others. But you could look all that up for yourself.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. It hasn’t been all that long since we signed, and it was only this last March when the production company we originally signed with partnered up with a second company to (possibly) do the picture. It’s best to be realisitic in these matters. Either they will make the film, or they won’t.
Just like us, you’ll have to wait to find out. I’m okay with that.
you obviously have a low budget producer seeking a larger one..it appears you now have two..my point is if they have the money to do the film they won’t be running around looking for backing if they already have it….
You’re fishing now…
Sorry, that information is confidential to most folks. My opinion is that you really know little about the film biz, even less than I do. The majority of feature films made today involve more than one production company, which is why they list two or three at the start of the movie. ‘A Paramount Picture….in association with Creative Arts Media…a Killjoy Film…etc.
They are no longer ‘running around’ as you put it. They’re looking to cast, find a director, and a known screenwriter. And that’s all I can tell you. When the writer is hired, I will be working with him directly. Bruce and Marty A were being considered to assist on this, but they turned it down.
that’s my last comment to you…it never ends…
Never ends? I know this. You’ve pulled out all the stops, along with a few other folk, to try both fair and unfair means to discredit. Nothing you’ve tried has worked. Nothing you try WILL work. And that’s the part (my personal opinion) that upsets you.
“How did this happen? We tried EVERYTHING>>>” 🙂
Here’s why. I am not Jo Weber. That’s one reason.
Instigating…going off topic…Jo Weber style…
Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
– BAS
projecting one’s opinion onto another is a personal attack…
Robert, the reason no movie has been made is because the producers want the TRUE story with a believable outcome. None yet exists. Certainly not from your tale about a homosexual man who worked for the airline he hijacked. That storyline is a complete joke. Sorry dude.
Your’re not very persuasive. You struck out, pal.
Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
– BAS
projecting one’s opinion onto another is a personal attack…”
“…especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.
Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters…”
If you live in a glass house, tossing rocks at someone outside is ALWAYS a bad idea. 🙂
Let me add something here. Most of you have said you want more public attention on the Cooper case. Finally…after 47 years…SOMEONE decides to do the first-ever feature film on the hijacking. But the reason nobody ever did, so far, is because they could not put an ending on the movie. No one wants to see another “he was never discovered” show on Cooper. So when an answer is finally presented, you don’t like the answer. Where did you expect the KC story was going to end up, folks? A 54-page report to the Seattle FBI that has been downloaded not just thousands, but TENS of thousands of times publicly. A YouTube video with 65,000+ views that runs an hour and a half. Twenty articles, all illustrated, for WordPress. A family finally coming forward, although I cannot fill you in completely on that. Allegations that a current senior FBI agent admits that case was really closed because they found out it was KC, and that he was dead anyway.
I have not seen one positive thing mentioned in Cooperland regarding the movie, although I HAVE seen a lot of sniping and whining about it. GET OVER IT. Remain in denial if you wish, but get over it. Face facts. You went the totally negative route on Kenny, coming after me, AB of Seattle, our used-to-be-forum, even Gayla…who couldn’t care less about Cooper. It didn’t work. Nice try, but it did NOT work. You even rejected offers of participation.
Look…I couldn’t stop the movie now if I wanted to. And I don’t want to. You can continue to pick at it, fine. But it won’t change a thing. 🙂
the is not the DB Cooper forum…you were banned for multiple reasons..I will say what I ever I wish and when ever I wish. you are once again PERSONALLY ATTACKING a member on this thread…this is NOT my forum and has zip to do with it..bringing it up is a direct approach of intimidation and personal attacks which the headlines of this article shows…
challenge the questions on this thread or don’t answer them..
Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated at this site.
– BAS
One would tend to think that Blevins would have choked on his own BS by now? It seems that lying to himself is big part of his personality.
exhibitionist
a person who behaves in ways intended to attract attention or display his or her powers, personality, etc.
Robert, you don’t see anything about the movie elsewhere due to lack of interest. get over it…it’s the samething going on with Reca…you think because they are making a movie we should take you in with open arms? it doesn’t change a thing about what people think of you, I’m sorry but that’s the way it goes. the movie is about Kenny, many don’t buy into the story so you can’t expect everyone to be on your side. it’s like the publishers of the story about Reca coming on here pleading for us to look at the evidence and believe…
once the movie comes out you will have the attention you so desire..stop worrying about us.
Look…I’m not seeking attention with the movie. They came to me, not the other way around. I even rejected a previous offer back in 2012 or so. The reason no one’s talking about any movie is because there isn’t anything to talk about yet. No official announcement has even been made. It’s too early.
When you say ‘we’ and ‘with open arms,’ I’ll assume you mean yourself and members of your forum. Come on, I haven’t even visited the place in months and you already know I wrote you off a while ago. I may have objected to some content there, but I wrote that off as well. The opinions of a few people on an internet forum regarding Cooper mean little to me. It’s the public I’m trying to reach, not you guys, to be frank about it. You have a right to your opinions, and I accept that completely.
As far as what people think of me, the vast majority of messages I get about that are positive. Not that my life is some sort of popularity contest. It isn’t. 🙂
“It’s the public I’m trying to reach”
you want to reach the public? do a press conference like everyone else does..if none of this bothered you it wouldn’t be brought up for the last 5 years..I get plenty of positive messages, everyone does…you are no different..10 or 10,000 views don’t prove nothing..Major Dawson was a highly decorated military man..does that mean his version is true? Tom Colbert has former FBI agents that were well respected? the Reca story has two former Michigan police officers, so do we believe them? you like to express people’s background with your story but nobody else’s with the same or better credentials are accepted?
Marla Cooper was all over the news, so was Tom Colbert, you, not so much. now, Reca has taken the floor with the public you so desire. I told you to do this a month ago..you seem to be taking the long route reaching out to the public…look how the story spread after just one day…10,000 or 100,000 views ain’t squat…it’s all over the news and internet…NATIONAL.
Shutter says in part: “you want to reach the public? do a press conference like everyone else does..”
No. I am not interested in a press conference, nor am I an attention whore, no matter what you may have heard. You’ve got this idea I’m hungry for attention in the Cooper case, when the opposite is actually true. So what am I interested in? The truth on Kenny, that’s all. It’s a simple concept. Either he was Cooper or he wasn’t. If he was…then he WAS. If he wasn’t…I know I gave it my best shot to try and discover the truth. It’s not that big a deal. Not to me anyway.
I went along with the movie idea not so much for money, but because I was able to get some concessions in the contract that will undoubtably bring out the truth using that movie as the vehicle to GET to the truth. It’s the easiest and most efficient way to do it because it will reach the greatest number of people, and I don’t have to travel all over the Northwest every other weekend to do it. I just have to review the script and give suggestions. Sure, the my share of the money from the film would be nice. But in reality, I don’t need it. I make plenty enough money these days to live on comfortably…and to honest about it…my family has extensive resources, as they say. And some day, a very sad day I assure you, I will have to deal with all that. Money? If I care about money it’s mostly whether I am having fun getting it. For example, I stand to make a few thousand just restoring the 1982 two-seater 280ZX I picked up recently, and that will be more fun than anything I have done related to the Cooper case. The last thing I need are reporters at my door bugging me. Let them go see the movie, and then contact the producers, or do your reviews. On the day it’s released, except for answering questions if necessary, I will turn my back forever on the DB Cooper case and never look back. After what I’ve been through, I will do this gladly. And Gayla will say ‘good riddance’ to Cooper quicker than I do.
I didn’t always feel like that about Cooper. At first it was fun doing the investigation. And I did my share of hitting the bricks, ignoring my job responsibilities with Adventure Books, turning down lucrative book edit cash, and basically getting caught up in the Cooper Vortex. I even tried turning down thousands of dollars offered to me for TV appearances to show sincerity. Some would call that foolish. I thought it was an example of moral character, trying to show I wasn’t looking for attention or trying to cash in on the case.
Some folks mistakenly believe Cooper is my life or something. Well,,,it certainly was for a long time but no more. I mean NO MORE. I have had it. No press conference, no big public display, no making Adventure Books into public fools such as that Reca publisher did. I do have some pride, you know. I think its better to just leave what you present out there quietly for the public, and not make a big foo-for-rah about it. Cooper is not what AB of Seattle is all about. it’s just a thing we did to try and solve the case.
The movie, hopefully, will present that case.
Side NOTE: Is is TRUE that this Reca author guy claims he jumped over Cle Elum, WA? Cle Elum? That’s unreal. I think someone would have noticed if Flight 305 had decided to cross the Cascades and head to Spokane instead of Portland.
That starts skirting the edge of comedy, if you ask me. I’m still glad I ordered the book, though. I just gotta read this one. 🙂
you give a long reply while stating you want to reach the public and constantly talk about views and uploads etc. and claim the “attention whore” loophole to get away from a press conference?
I’ll say this one time…you are headed on the same path as the book..you want to add things not fully vetted and wait till the movie comes out to find any truth..that’s wrong..especially, if you imply a “true story” or seek any approval..the gullible will buy into it just as they are doing with the Reca story..not the first or last time it will happen with any given subject…people buy into a vacuum cleaner operating by itself claiming it’s a ghost…it is what it is…
No. They will see the movie and check up on a few things, which is what everyone involves wants. A lot of people, even though you may be in denial about it, are convinced KC was Cooper. Now that is a fact based upon the many comments and the tons of emails we got about both the book and the main video at YouTube. It’s not like we’re going to be telling lies in that movie. Nobody wants that, because we also know people will fact-check, and we can back everything up that will be presented. A couple of items will probably be verified by the press after the release, and we are okay with that, too.
UPDATE: I see Amazon removed the single (and only, so far) review to the Reca book. That is weird that not a single legit review has yet appeared on the book. I can hardly wait. They should start appearing in a few days, as Amazon makes their initial deliveries. My guess is that the shills will give it five star reviews, and people who actually read the book will dismiss it. But that’s just a guess. I wish I could participate, but I have a policy of not reviewing any books on Cooper, because I have my own out there at Amazon and reviewing another Cooper book could be seen as slanted. I can’t wait to read it, though. I don’t even think I will wait for the camping trip. No review, but I might do a WordPress article on it.
Robert, I’m not in denial…that’s ridiculous. more words put into my mouth..I don’t believe Kenny was Cooper, period. Marla and Tom Colbert could state you are in denial? you must have the perfect producers, they speak just like you?
once again I’ve grown tired of the same old back and forth…the forum is pretty active at the moment, new members on board, including another producer..more productive things going on vs arguing about views and putting words into my mouth…
maybe someone will have a discussion with you here….fingers crossed.. 🙂
I’m glad your forum is active right now. I imagine you have the Reca Situation to thank for that. As for me, I’m not cut out to run a forum. Been there, tried that. Too much work, too much monitoring, and I have enough to do as it is. My opinion is that the job of hosting Cooperland should be left to you.
Internet discussions are interesting sometimes, sure. I do a lot of that over at Quora dot com, but that’s where I draw the line. This stuff here is just killing time while I watch a rerun of Vanishing Point. An underrated movie that Quentin Tarentino once said was one of his favorites.
Mine too. 🙂
just received word from a well placed source in the movie entertainment business: there is NO production of any DB Cooper film either currently in the works or being contemplated by a legitimate production company. A lot of speculation, but no action. Reason: the public wants a film that has a believable resolution. Sorry Robert. Your dreams of Kenny will remain dreams. Your numerous prior posts about you moving on are prophetic. Maybe your next assignment…….Saskwatsh sightings on the Olympic Peninsula?
Sasquash? Whatever. Blevins will figure it out for his next big movie.
Georger releases a good post over at the Shutter Forum, talking about narcissism and the manner in which a narcissist operates. I don’t want to get into personal attacks because it violates Bruce’s cardinal rule. Mr. Blevins has ambition and that can’t be faulted on its own. However, a movie on Ken Christianson will not be well received. KC was a child molester and pedophile who preyed on runaway boys. There are 50 and 60 year old men today who will come out of the woodwork and attest. What’s next? The me too; I got boinked by DB Cooper, the pediphile? Never gonna happen. Far better to let the DB Cooper mystery remain unsolved than to poison the image of a gentleman bandit.
Tom Colbert stated the same several weeks ago..doesn’t mean a smaller production company isn’t trying though..time will tell….
Whoa, Johnnie – you crossed a line above, but I will let it go for now – at least to use as an example.
KC has never been accused, arrested, or charged with the crimes of pedophilia or molestation. Plus, you do not provide any conclusive proof otherwise. As a result, your comments could be considered libelous if KC was alive. Hence, it is a no-no for the Mountain News.
Please refrain from making such statements in the future. Yes, KC’s behavior with under-age runaway boys appears to have been problematic – and a lot of people, like me, are thinking that KC had sex with the lads – but we can not state that definitively, as you have. SO, don’t do it.
Apologies, Bruce. Inferentially, it’s a true statement and first speculated in Gray’s 2007 article. No one has ever countered the speculation, not even Lyle Christianson. We know KC was gay. He took in young runaway underaged boys. This was in the 60’s and 70’s. A movie about KC as DB would ignite attention to the world of sexual abuse of minors. It would just be a matter of time before men stepped forward with their horror stories about Ken. Who would they seek restitution against? Ken’s estate? Film production company? Adventure Books? This is the trend. Redress is sought against those who were child perpetrators. Ask the Catholic Church, Penn State, and Michigan State Univ.
It would be interesting to hear what Corey Feldman’s input about Kenny and his past with kids would be, Hollywood is full of pedophiles..
Accusing someone of hijacking a plane is one thing. Accusing them of pedophilia is quite another. In case you guys didn’t read the Geoff Gray article on Christiansen, he interviewed one of the runaways Christiansen took in. There was never a hint of impropriety. Not then, not now. And this guy lived with KC for years, and was left the lot out back after KC died. You guys are frankly pathetic, and that’s the truth.
You’ve simply run out of ammunition, so now you are back to dirty tricks and slander again. Nothing I haven’t seen before.
Sure, you can lower yourself into the gutter and make accusations of pedophilia without a shred of evidence, but I won’t be joining you down there. News flash: Being gay is not a crime, nor does it automatically make someone a child molester. Most of them are straight, married, and have children of their own. From the Jacob Wetterling Resource Center’s research papers on this:
“Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own.”
That last part probably describes many of you. Which means chances are much greater that one of YOU falls into that nasty category, doesn’t it?
If you wanted me to stop posting here, you just accomplished the task. You can hang around in the gutter without me and argue about Christiansen until doomsday. The simple truth is you are all pissed off, angry, and jealous that the movie producers decided to come to us for the first motion picture on Cooper. And it galls you to death that they’re going to do this picture and name Kenny as the hijacker. It’s what you wanted after all, right? So there’s no use in whining about it now, or speaking to me about KC from the gutter. Cause I am not listening. 🙂
Calling all Kenny victims, wherever you are. DB Cooper booty awaits you.
That last part probably describes many of you. Which means chances are much greater that one of YOU falls into that nasty category, doesn’t it?
projecting personal views onto others is a personal attack and implying the above usernames are possible pedophiles with the same evidence you claim about Kenny which is zero…two wrongs always make a right with Bobby…
Say what you wish. Both you and Bruce are perma-blocked from our main email, and I will no longer post or visit here. Any further information regarding the upcoming picture, Kenny, or anything else regarding AB, you will have to obtain via the traditional sources, not from me personally. If we re-establish the AB Forum, it will be a private site and by invitation-link only. The rest of you can go the Google route or view our main sites like everyone else.
Ditching this site should be easy. Wasn’t that hard when I ditched Cooper Heaven, after all. 🙂
Sh*t. Now what, Bruce?
my forum took you 5 years to kick, this will not be the last we hear from ya…attempt #9 is where we are at now…I’ll give it a couple hours tops 🙂 couple more months and we will be at attempt to leave forum take 27….
I’m not cut out to run a forum. Been there, tried that. Too much work, too much monitoring, and I have enough to do as it is.
If we re-establish the AB Forum, it will be a private site and by invitation-link only.?????????????
did you forget about all the guests who keep sending emails lol
I’ll have another beer, then going to bed. Not going to wait all night for Blevins. Maybe I’ll skim thru Blast. Lol
he tries to wait till everyone is gone…he stays up all night and always tries to cover it up with “company” lol who has company and is up all night, every nite 🙂
” Maybe I’ll skim thru Blast”
careful, it’s like a car mirror…”things may not be as truthful as they appear” 🙂
Well, I finished blast after a “few” more beers. Look, I wont criticize Robert for his writing ability. But I seriously doubt that Skipp Porteous believed any of it. There’s no evidence other than the fact the Christianson and Cooper were alive at the same time. Any film producer who entertains a script about Christianson would have his reputation in dire jeopardy. Who’s gonna play Kenny? Peewee Herman? Just not Hollywood material. And, the issue of little boys and gay sex wouldn’t appeal to the macho generation of paratroopers from the 60’s. DB Cooper was a man’s man, not some swishing gay stewardess cruising for runaway boys. This one goes in the reject bin.
Ahem, TED. I find the “swishing gay stewardess cruising for runaway boys” bit to be cheap and distasteful. Please, no more.
It was the Coronas channeling my inner Shakti. Sorry.
Apology accepted, sir. Thank You.
Kevin Spacey looks like Cooper and probably needs the work 🙂
Was Kenny a pedophile? Who knows. But I know this, I wouldn’t let someone like Kenny near one of my kids, period. Blevins has no leg to stand on here. He’s accused Kenny of committing a felony for years now, with nothing more than very shaky circumstantial evidence.
lol, he says there were “no signs” …that’s exactly what they try to do..20% is the low from what I’ve read and 20% isn’t a “little bit” either..
He should combine forces with Reca…put one of them on the ground for equal rights to the movie..both of them change everything anyway..description, throw it away, but post his photo next to the sketch 🙂 missing that day but don’t know where, it’s obvious, they were hijacking a plane..it all fits..
You would have to ask the kids who were there to get any real answers..the family only throws Kenny under the bus for threatening to blow people up..even though Lyle said “he’s probably not the hijacker”
Yes. Georger has been saying that for years….that even Lyle didn’t believe it. He just desired a movie. Thats the entire motive. Not to solve the crime.
Only 20% of men that are pedophiles are gay, so the odds are way against Kenny falling into that category. BUT….there’s only 1 D.B. Copper and since Kenny didn’t make Thanksgiving dinner, well it should be obvious what he was doing.
I have an email from Mike Fitzsimmons a radio talk show host..he interviewed Lyle …
Hello Dave:
I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.
Mike Fitzsimmons
8/31/2014 7:52 PM >>>
Isn’t that the one that Blevins says never happened?
of course..it’s damaging so he quickly goes into damage control and shoots it down..I went right to the source to confirm or deny the allegation…he doesn’t like doing that unless it can help him..
This goes way back to the DZ..I believe Farflung grilled him about this. this isn’t the first time it’s been shown. I find it rather interesting that he shoots it down right out of the gate..this is straight from the person who did the interview.
Now, ask him about how he knows for a fact John Jarvis made those claims, or even said them. did he get the information from Jarvis, nope, but he will try and assassinate anyone who disagree’s!! HIS friends told him this information….the talk show host verified the interview..see a problem anywhere?
Bob Knoss did the samething..he would state things that were very hard to confirm. we all know Bob’s story, right lol..
seems Mr. Blevins is following me on You Tube again.posted 6 times in a row just after leaving here… 🙂 Robert, vindictive, spiteful oh no, not him lol
Note to All.
RMB has his knickers in a twist about the discussion here concerning KC’s relationship with runaway boys in Bonney Lake. I have received the following missive from him, posted below, along with my response and a description of why I think it is important to post it all here, in full.
5. 21. 18
Hello Bruce,
I dropped by the Mountain News today for a moment to see if those pedophilia comments had been removed. They have not.
I’m going to be as fair as possible with you, and let you know what will happen if those comments are not removed.
A total of nine screenshots have been printed up for WordPress staff. These will go into a large envelope with a cover letter, notarized, with both Gayla and my signatures on the letter. The letter states our objections to the postings, and included is a copy of the contract we have granting us the rights to the Kenny Christiansen story. The letter itself details our objections to the postings and why. We’re claiming libelous comments, unfounded, and that the Christiansen story is currently being marketed by Adventure Books with different media. And that those comments are damaging to that effort.
Gayla and I do not work tomorrow. In the morning, we go downtown and have the documents notarized, then they go in with the screenshots. This will be mailed to the proper person at WordPress in San Francisco via registered mail. WordPress will then check your site. Should they find those posts onsite, they will do one of two things. They will either remove them for you, or they will delete your account. Knowing pretty well how WordPress works, it is much more likely that the Mountain News will be deleted and you will no longer be able to establish a site with them in the future. This is what happened with Regina Winkles.
Come on, Bruce. Do the right thing. Don’t force me to do this. It looks bad for you here, you know. Especially when you chastised some of the posts, but allowed them to remain, even hinting you supported them to a degree. WordPress will have no sympathy for you.
Is this what you really want? All of your work to vanish just because you were too stubborn to remove postings you knew should never have been allowed to stand in the first place? If you have to remove some of my posts as well, feel free to do so.
I have taken down the block to your email for the moment, in case you want to inform me that you will remove those comments about Christiansen at once. Otherwise, you really leave me no choice. No one except you and me knows that I asked you to take them down. If this is a pride thing on your part, you can just say that such comments could cause your site to get shut down, and you can’t allow that. I won’t say a thing about it.
I am asking you for the last time. Please remove any and all references, hints, allegations, or accusations of pedophilia against Kenny Christiansen. Do it now, please.
A copy of this message, showing this is the second time we have addressed this with you, will be included in the complaint to WordPress.
Sincerely,
Robert M. Blevins, Managing Editor – Adventure Books of Seattle
Gayla Prociv – CEO – Adventure Books of Seattle
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My response:
RMB, I am confused. What exactly do you want me to do? I understand that you would like me to remove certain passages? Which ones, and why?
There is a current discussion of Kenny’s potential of being a child molester at the Mountain News. It seems to be bothering you even though you and Geoffrey Gray have made clear in your writings that Kenny engaged in problematic behavior with runaway boys, such as conducting grooming sessions by taking them to expensive restaurants, showering them with gifts, and giving them unsanctioned shelter during their minor years. Further, one disturbing element you haven’t provided is information on who took care of the buys when KC was working in the Orient. Was there someone in charge? Abandoning at-risk youth in his home seems like even more provocative and troubling behavior. Hence, a thoughtful discussion of Kenny’s potentially criminal behavior seems to be warranted.
I believe that we have had this discussion before, replete with threats of lawsuits from you. Now you are threatening the end of the Mountain News.
Yes, one MN poster went too far and declared that KC was a pedophile. I admonished him and he apologized. I left the comments up as an example to others of what constitutes potentially libelous behavior, even though KC is not alive and not able to be liable to libel, as I understand the law.
As for the libel of accusing KC of crimes, such as sexual assault, you seem to have done worse – as not only do you accuse KC of sky privacy and threats of bodily harm to 45 people on Flight 305, you imply that Lyle and his family are liable for conspiracy charges and obstruction of justice since they knew KC was DB Cooper and never told the cops. I know 377 has a different interpretation of family liability, but folks who let folks commit crimes are guilty of something in my book, especially when they try to make a buck on it, too. I’ll let the prosecutors and judges work out the details on that, though.
Since this topic is so topical, I’m going to post it at the Mountain News. Besides, I think it is important to show the young sleuths getting involved in Norjak how the senior sleuths of the community handle threats and other troubling interactions.
By the way, do you think a discussion of pedophilia here will enhance the marketability of “Into the Blast,” or weaken it? I suspect the latter. Hence, the discussion here could cost you moolah, no? Just askin’…. I believe in full transparency, don’t you?
Sincerely,
Bruce A. Smith
Editor and Owner, The Mountain News-WA
Eatonville, WA
Editor’s Note: More missives from RMB
Since RMB has just reminded me that he has blocked emails from me, it would seem that the best course of action is to post his emails here so that I know he will be able to see my response. Since a response without the triggering email from RMB would be confusing and poor journalism, I will include all correspondences here. Below is RMB’s response to my above post:
RMB’s response:
Bruce,
No one is threatening you. There is no lawsuit. This is a complaint to WordPress, your server, regarding content we believe not only violates their Terms of Service., but is libelous to AB of Seattle. Whether WordPress decides to delete your account is entirely up to them, not me. I don’t think it’s wise for you to bring even more of this out in the open, especially since WP staff will be examining that article to see if our complaint is valid.
The complaint goes out tomorrow morning unless you remove the postings. It is as simple as that. After that, anything else is between you and WordPress.
Sincerely, Robert
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My response:
I feel threatened by you, Robert. I have told you that many times, yet you continue to declare that you are not threatening. While we are on the subject, I also consider you dangerous and unstable. I think it is important that you know how I feel about you. I also think it is important that others know how I feel about you, since you have threatened me with bodily harm and arrest in the past.
Nevertheless, despite my fears I will continue to resist your threats, acts of intimidation, and character assassinations at every turn.
Sincerely, Bruce A. Smith
Bruce, congratulations for holding your ground to Mr. Blevins threat of lawsuits. My wife is an attorney. She says that suits alleging defamation (slander and libel) against a deceased person will not be entertained by the courts. Ken Christianson is dead. AND, Mr. Blevins has no standing to sue. Courts toss frivolous lawsuits. As a journalist, you should know that alluding to or asking the question of whether someone is a pedophile does not raise the bar to outright accusations. Mr. Blevins is good at attempted intimidation, but he is ignorant. If he dropped a suit on you, you could easily have his case dismissed and countersue for all costs. I surmise what really pissed him off is that if the word gets too far along that IF Ken Christianson was a pedophile, his book would be sunk in garbage and no film producer would touch Blevins tall tale. Stand your ground.
Bruce, you handled that very well and very reasonably.
Perhaps the pedophile theme in general is what suddenly animates Blevins and causes him to act even more ridiculous than ever? Please bear with me on this for a moment.
In the Zodiac cases, Arthur Leigh Allen was suspected of being “the Zodiac”… and he was a convicted pedophile. However, there never was any solid evidence proving that he was “the Zodiac” and as a matter of fact, there was evidence that cleared ALA. Hold that thought. There are some hints that Jack Tarrance was a closet queer, but no proof. In the OCCK case, there were some hints that Chris Busch was a pedophile. However, I do not believe that Busch was involved, but that he was murdered and did not commit suicide. Damage to the two male victims revealed that they were sexually abused, and that the two girls were not. In the Ramsey case, Detective Lou Smit thought that the killer was a pedophile. I assert that the evidence would tend to lead us in that direction, but that the true motive was being obscured by that same limited notion. You have the John Mark Karr angle, but he was cleared (not by me) by powers not yet fully unidentified. (This is a long subject that can be addressed later on and in it’s overall content and context.)
It’s my shared view that the trafficking of kiddie porn and children is something that is the domain of the racketeers that were behind these crimes, and that it’s only a part of their criminal activities.
It’s now interesting that the seemingly otherwise “Teflon coated” Robert Blevins takes these outrageous steps to threaten your website and forum. Not that outrageous behavior is something new with Blevins. A long time ago I posted a warning about Blevins lies on the Brad Meltzer’s DECODED etc. video on YouTube comments forum. The day before yesterday he reappeared as “semi auto,” which is a gun threat IMHO, and especially dumb in this day and age of all of the uncanny sequence of “wigged out” gun attacks that have been reported by the MSM.
As you know, Blevins has never exhibited a sense of true humility or responsibility for his outrageous behavior in the past. I see that shutter also reported that Blevins has taken a similar tact on him on another YouTube thread.
I was gonna protest the 2000 plus posting that were mainly between Blevins and shutter on the thread that initiated this thread, but I was also seeing the wisdom in letting them stand and I’m glad I didn’t take any more steps than I did. I fully and truly appreciate your opening statement on this thread, and you as still a hero in my eyes Bruce.
typo’s, my bad. You still are a hero Bruce.
Thank you, Johnnie.
Johnnie is correct. I like how he always claims to “stop by” lol..Bruce posted the Reca story on my forum and not long at all (minutes) he posted here that he “found this” ..of course we all know he no longer goes to my site or his paid troll Greg Page (name is public information via Linkedin)
He acts as if his last name is Christiansen. Mr. Blevins feels threatened? that’s Blevins 101 to toss a bunch of threats. Mr. Blevins has no more proof than any of us..just because family members say no doesn’t mean they are right.
In this dangerous world we live in one could say Mr. Blevins is the threat. his behavior has been displayed many times and we need to remember he has a lot of firearms..if anyone needs to be reported it would be Mr. Blevins..he caused a stir on the DZ years ago posting a picture of a “AK-47” his stalking of me has been well documented since 2014.
Sadly, this is how mass shooting have started by not heading the warnings that have been obvious. then people always ask why it happened????? perhaps a petition with dozens of names to Roberts local police should be established.
Concerned
Robert states the following..
No one is threatening you.
The complaint goes out tomorrow morning unless you remove the postings.
That’s a “threatening demand” anyway you cut it. I’m wondering what color the sky is in his world. now I understand why it went bonkers on You Tube.
For Robert to be successful in a libel case…there would have to be nothing about Kenny taking in underage kids back in the 70’s, or buying gifts, which is similar to the van with no windows and candy on the dashboard. if it wasn’t there he would be correct if allegation were made. he hides the whole thing while telling his story. the story is documented in 2007..
There is no ‘libel case’ being considered. WordPress has a process for reporting objectionable content. We followed that process and asked WordPress to examine certain comments to this article and make a determination. Any decision regarding such content is entirely up to them.
Question to Robert Blevins: why should you care, or take such threats to Bruce because some people think Ken Christianson might have been involved with underage boys? Are you related to Christianson? Was he a friend? Did you know him? Did you ever meet him? Are you his legal spokesman? Why all the threats, Robert? Your behavior is very suspicious and frankly, it makes you look very unstable.
Blevins has spent the last several years accusing Ken Christiansen of being a felon, threatening to murder several people. This would make Christiansen a man of very low character, if Blevins is to be believed. So then is it wrong to question what was going on when young boys were staying in the home of this person of such low character, especially since we know he was attracted sexually to his own gender? Perhaps it is wrong. But I don’t think it’s any more wrong than the accusations Blevins has made over the years. The difference is that Blevins wants to control the narrative on Kenny. To the extent that he will try to bully whoever stands in his way of doing such. He’s trying that with Bruce now and he’s tried the same thing with Shutter. Fortunately, no one fears Blevins or his watchdog Greg Page.
do us all a favor a spew your threats and story somewhere else, and for once do the right thing and remain gone as you have now stated 10 times…
That would be a paid watchdog since he works with AB..you are 100% correct Parrot. he only wants positive things about the story to come out. it’s well documented in the 2007 article about Kenny’s behavior with “children” ..buying them gifts, and expensive dinners sets off a dangerous red flag. Robert tries to control it with “Black Flag”
I think it’s time to expose the whole story. he always says the public will judge you, so let them be the judge of what Kenny did. should we take questions and make a video with the answers? does a wordpress article need to be made…
He comes on here with his chest pumped up and out far trying to scold people, including the owner of this thread and still comes on here like it’s no big deal…
“If you wanted me to stop posting here, you just accomplished the task.”
“Ditching this site should be easy.”
It doesn’t matter if he has certain rights to the story but not telling the whole story is the problem and he only wants to profit from it..he seems to speak for others and put words in there mouths but doesn’t like the backlash of it, he would be riding this story for years if it was reversed. you would see a bunch of lol’s and how statistics are sometimes wrong and posting the link constantly that Gray wrote as backup..
absolutely nothing can be discussed about Cooper while Robert Blevins is on the field.
someone posted this about Kenny on You Tube…
Im a P I who has worked with others on this case . Trust me I know more than you .
Kenny and Bernie his friend practiced parachute drops from a rented plane for weeks before the hijacking. there are dozens of witnesses who saw them that YOUVE NEVER HEARD OF . Kenny used the lights from the dam as a reference point when he jumped at night. A road crew accidentally dug up his buried chute nearby with a bull dozer .This is well documented by us . Youre just a stubborn old man and a fucking idiot if you dont know this. Go away you moron Youre obstructing the truth
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To be fair, I have shown up on Bruce’s site, slightly intoxicated and a bit out of line, which probably disqualifies me in the current debate about Blevins. I have no resentment towards the guy. But if Robert wants to remain in the game, he HAS to answer the tough questions. Not just the ones he wants to answer. No softball, Robert.
shutter said this about Blevins, and I agree, but I think that there may be more to the Blevins “iceberg” than we’re currently seeing: Quote:
Youre just a stubborn old man and a fucking idiot if you dont know this. Go away you moron Youre obstructing the truth :Unquote
“Obstructing the truth” is my main charge against Blevins. Try “an accessory after the fact” too.
For the last eight plus years that I’ve been researching the cases that I list, the campaign to obstruct the truth has been ever-present, relentlessly attended, vicious and very nasty. Chronologically and at every juncture that I’d post some key observation, these same fiends would step up their activities. The latest was the SKY MARSHALLS envelope figurines prompting the phony Reca story. As a sideshow, Blevins gets very animated once others talk about the Kenny/pedophile angle. Just prior to when I decoded “Victory! S.B.t.C, CBS ran the horrible and phony ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey,’ string of lies. In terms of chronology, you can read and follow the process by which I made this discovery about the cryptic sign-off. It started with a childhood friend of mine pointing out the fact that several of the letter d’s resemble a hangman’s noose on the Ramsey ransom note. The word “dog” being one of the most prominent examples, complete with the t-handle detail. I believe that these same fiends that are involved in the Ramsey murder, were already aware of some of the details on the Ramsey ransom note.
If you could review the work of journalists that have documented crimes of “white slavery” and especially those involving children, a pattern of criminal activity emerges during that era. The Michigan based 1976/77 OCCK case is a prime example. Most noteworthy is the fact that most people are not aware of the OCCK case, especially when you consider how diabolical the case really is. The basic fact that the MSM has avoided this very subject of the OCCK case, speaks volumes about the MSM. Granted, that so-far, the subject of pedophilia hasn’t appeared in the back drop of the Cooper caper…that is until the emergence of the Kenny C angle. Blevins has very obviously wanted to control and dominate the Cooper narrative. Blevins wanted to raise eyebrows about Kenny C’s background with youngsters, but then notice the animation of Blevins once the control of the narrative starts to slip away from him! Did one or more of Blevins’ tribal members suddenly “jack him up?” He sure seemed pretty desperate when he tried to extort Bruce into editing this MB forum on the subject of pedophilia!
Think about it…if you wanted to control this or any other country in the world, these are the first order of key members of society that you’d wanna control: Elected officials, judges, chiefs of police, police and editors. What better control mechanism could you have, other than having evidence of pedophilia or murder on these same people?
I view the taunting documents that the FBI retained in the Cooper FOIA files, as a time capsule, and as a “tie that binds” the cases that I’ve listed. Just like the many many hints on the Ramsey ransom note, those in the Cooper FOIA files are hidden in the best place you can hide things…right in plain view! And what a better way to insure that your evil associates don’t deal with you as a “loose end”! The Zodiac killer used the term “consternation,”…. I’d say that Blevins just got a good case of “consternation” served to him within the last several days! You can already see that it all slips right off of the teflon coated beastard.
BTW, that’s a nice term: “beastard,” that’s one that my wife invented to describe our cat, she calls the cat a “little beastard.” You could even spell it beasturd too! LOL!
that will never happen Ted…you can’t change Roberts personality..
That’s not the way Blevins rolls, Ted. Go to his youtube videos, or his “news” articles he writes at wordpress. Read the comments and see how many comments are there that disagree with him. None. He doesn’t allow them. He wants only comments that agree with him. It creates the illusion that people agree with him. I wouldn’t doubt that most of those comments that are there are bogus comments that he did himself. Remember MikeJ?? So, he won’t allow the hard questions on youtube or WordPress. Ask them here and he clams up and says he can’t talk about Kenny.
too many people seem to accept this kind of behavior. he makes a “Stepford Wives” type of environment or dictatorship which doesn’t allow anything negative to intrude but spews it by the truck loads. it’s not just his sites that need the negative taken away, it’s where ever it is on the internet. he knows this is extremely damaging so he has lashed out full commando. negative is not in reference to attacks, he has no posters challenging anything..how could that be?
I think he is doing the same as he does online with speaking for others..I don’t think people around him are aware of his actions..or we have multiple people with troubled personalities. he probably tells them what is going on and shows only part of the story. I’ve asked him multiple times for the owner of AB to contact me directly to get to the bottom of these problems but even in emails he just changes the subject or says they could care less about Cooper.
He sits in a room all night long posting away while everyone else is a sleep..sometimes I wake up at 7:00 or even 8 if I decide to sleep in and there he is still posting. this was happening on the DZ as well. just by simply disagreeing turns into jealousy and hatred? the DZ was a nightmare the last year it was active. the same is happening here.
I finally got around to watching some of the Walter Reca videos. I certainly do not think he was Cooper. Maybe I’m just too trusting and tend to give people the benefit of doubt too often, but I do think these folks at the press conference are probably sincere, the niece especially. This to me, appears to be a case where Reca blew smoke up their asses and they bought it, not knowing enough about the Cooper case to question some things.I still haven’t heard how they tie in the money find and their supposed landing zone. I’d like to hear that one.
You know, the Tena Bar money, if it does nothing else, is actually pretty useful in terms of shooting down certain suspects. This one in particular is a good example of that, not that there aren’t other things that shoot this guy down as well.
For your continued entertainment and edification – The Reca Story – here at the MN:
Really nice job, Bruce.
Thank you, Gypsy.
Interesting read on the “terms of service” with wordpress..they are pretty slack on things. they have a section (like most) where you make a complaint..like many other sites no reason to send the info or have it notarized..
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Just a small portion of the TOS…kind of hard to play victim with them..
I agree. Word Press wouldn’t give a rats behind if someone was calling a dead person a child molester. Did you know that a full defense for a defamation suit is… the truth. If the runaway boy was under 18 in WA state, then by definition Ken C would be a child molester if having sex with him. I think it would be statutory rape of a child. I can see where Blevins would be pissed off, because the film producer would back out. I’ve read Blevins book and there is nothing in it that moves me. Conjecture and speculation. No evidence and no character development. As authorship goes, Bruce has a better book with more facts. Maybe Bruce’s book should be made into a movie?
If you read the article Gray wrote in 2007 it doesn’t really show Kenny the way Robert portrays him. Rose Edmiston said “That would probably be the last person in the world I would think could be D.B. Cooper.” who was a former Northwest flight attendant and lived in Bonney lake. according to Rose rumors were circling Bonney lake about Kenny. “The rumors she heard about him were true: He was taking in troubled kids and runaways.”
The article also states Kenny was always trying to find ways to make a buck…working a low paying job doesn’t fit the profile and doesn’t suggest hijacking a plane..
“McWilliams says now of Kenny, he describes life in the house as odd, It was uncomfortable to me, because I’m not like that” what would be uncomfortable about taking in teenage boys if nothing is a miss?
Kenny taught people how to save money, again this doesn’t jive with what Robert claims. my guess is that Kenny was single, bills were low and the pay was probably not bad or he wouldn’t of stayed. he could afford to spend extra, he had it..
The gifts bought in Japan and Germany were probably a lot cheaper over there vs buying them here. perhaps the deathbed confession is tied the the teenagers..the confession never made sense to me..”I have a secret but can’t tell you” why did you bring it up? I can say, “I have a car for sale but you can’t buy it”? it’s seems to be similar to the Reca story that has an alternant twist to it..where is Chris Hansen when you need him 🙂
Yes, Ken as Cooper makes no sense at all. And what happened to Rackstraw? He’s alive and being accused. Now there is your defamation suit. Everyone with a suspect has problems.
Rackstraw keeps threatening one but never goes through with it..I speak with Tom every once in a while and email back and forth about things..people drag him through the mud but I respect things he’s done like getting the files released.
My opinion is Cooper hasn’t been found..
I do believe you are right. Even Tom Colbert is having trouble launching a film and he is in the movie business. Producers want a definite ending to the mystery. So far…..
None.
A little FYI, just out of courtesy.
I directed the production company execs to some of the comments in this article. They weren’t impressed, and tell me it changes nothing regarding the picture. There were a few office laughs going I guess. They also said you guys should try taking the heat down in Hollywood sometime. That’s pro-level. Some comments here are Amateur Night all the way. I’m also told they were well-indoctrinated into what was going on in Cooper Heaven during their research phase, (about January 2016 to November same year), all the negativity, etc. That didn’t impress them either.
No, I didn’t make that stuff up. They actually said those things. Some of it recently, some a while ago. The reason I pointed them to the comments here is because I tell them everything, and I wanted them to have a look for themselves. But they knew everything Kenny-related anyway, because they have copies of every single file, witness report, photo, document, interview notes, etc right down to my gas receipts from traveling around the NW investigating KC and Geestman.
As far as Kenny being a pedophile, let me know when you get a witness on that. I also saw you cherry-picked quotes from the Gray article and conveniently skipped around some key parts.
MacWilliams lived with Kenny for almost twenty years, and said KC had relationships…with grown men…some of them he knew in the Army. Sounds like a normal gay lifestyle to me, although I suspect some of you might be homophobic as hell.
Mac even helped care for Kenny when he was dying. And although I never got past the phone stage with Mac, I found out KC was not a pedophile. This was also the testimony from Mac’s ex-wife in Puyallup, who I also interviewed (although it didn’t appear in the book) as well as Carolyn Tyner, who I also questioned. Tyner, her (now) ex-husband, and Mac all lived with Kenny for years. They were even there when he died. They had nothing but nice things to say about him, and there was not a single hint, shred, or allegation he ever molested boys.
Not one. I asked. Discreetly, of course.
Remember, I ALSO saw the Geoff Gray article even before we started our investigation into Kenny. Just because Kenny took in runaways occasionally doesn’t make him a bad person. In fact, unless you have some PROOF of your allegations, this only makes him look like a nice guy. You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to twist that into something ugly. As far as the hijacking itself, I think Geestman was the instigator and had to talk Kenny into doing it. I have my reasons for believing this, mostly from speaking to Geestman’s family.
And please stop tossing the idea that accusing Kenny of a felony is somehow wrong. You guys discuss suspects all the time. It smacks of phony. If I didn’t have evidence, I would not have accused him. Kenny’s entire family has backed up our investigation, and like us, only want to know the truth. We are going to provide that for them. I am more convinced than ever that Kenny was indeed Cooper. And frankly, it was Geestman’s family who finally helped put it over the top. If you want to know more on that, you’ll have to wait for the movie, or somehow worm your way into our private forum. I just made an announcement about that to our few members there.
As far as being ‘dangerous’ or ‘unstable,’ as some of you have assumed, you must be referring to someone else. All I do is the same thing I’ve done for years. I get up in the morning on workdays, go to some nice family’s home with Gayla, and we clean it for them. Some families have been with us for more than FIFTEEN years. We are trusted with their alarm codes, their kids sometimes, even their pets. We’ve seen their families grow up and go to college. Our references are local, and frankly…IMPECCABLE. To make side money on weekends, I do work for a nice senior lady in Des Moines, WA. Once in a while I get to escape from all that and go camping or fishing. When I’m not doing that, I like to work on cars, particularly anything Nissan. Gayla and I worked with the Auburn Police very closely for years when we ran the theater events for the Auburn Days Festival, handing out the free snacks and showing films.
Yeah…we’re REAL dangerous folks. 🙂 Better get that petition going for the local cops here. Maybe you can protest our work on the Homeless in Seattle movie, too. Truth is, you guys just make things up, twist things around to suit you, and really don’t know me at all. It can be funny sometimes. Other times it’s just pathetic.
I understand that some of you are jealous and pissed off about the movie. I apologize if I caused that emotion in you somehow. But I also spent a year trying to cut you into that project, some of you for pretty good money, and everything was rejected. Frankly, I think that was sort of dumb. I finally gave up. So please stop complaining about it and move on. You gave it your best shot, brought out the dirty tricks, tried everything you could think of. Didn’t work. In fact, it was the overwhelming negativity at certain places that actually drove the producers to seek us out in the first place for the first-ever feature film on Cooper. And yes…we do have an ending for it.
In a way, some of YOU created this situation with the movie on Kenny. All the negativity at Cooper Heaven without a response from me (they didn’t know about the AB Forum or AB of Seattle main website yet) got them to look at the other side of the story. The rest as they say, was history. You guys must have mentioned my name hundreds of times over at Cooper Heaven. What did you think would happen as a result of that? Publicity, mainly. We took the quiet, laid-back approach…made certain files and videos publicly available…and waited.
It got peoples’ curiosity going. In fact, the more negativity, the more books we sold. Not through Amazon so much, (they account for a pittance of total sales at AB) but through Ingram since we’re a wholesale trade publisher releasing at 55% off the cover price. Cooper Heaven had a small part in that, although to be honest I think the YouTube videos made more impact on sales. We spent approximately $13,000 investigating the case, while turning down thousands from History Channel and Comcast Sports Net’s show ‘Adrenaline Hunter’ with Bethy Rossos. We finally broke even a few years ago. It’s never been about ‘show me the money’ around here.
I saw a comment about how we screen comments at YouTube and at WordPress. No we don’t. There are only two requirements for your comment to be posted. No personal attacks, and you can’t post anonymously at our WordPress, as people do here. Anonymous comments at YouTube are allowed if they are polite. And yes…I responded toughly to certain comments at YouTube regarding suspect Reca, as someone noted back there, although I always use my real identity. (Why change now after years of posting that way?) I noticed that whenever someone said something positive about Kenny being the hijacker, there was You-Know-Who giving them the third degree.
So like John Carradine said in ‘The Grapes of Wrath,’ I talked BACK. However, I have no idea who posted up that crazy shit about KC and Geestman doing test flights or whatever. I’m pretty sure that’s not true. :)
One of the reasons I decided to come back and post this up is because I knew the producers would see it as well. If it is deleted, it doesn’t matter. I sent everything except this last paragraph to them in an email.
These are my final thoughts at Mountain News on this whole subject. I gave it a few days to think about what I would say, and anything further would be pointless. I think I covered everything for you as well as I can. My thanks to you for having the patience to read this. I know it’s a bit longer than I would like. Probably you as well. And if it gets deleted, it just proves some things I’ve been saying all along. That one side is slanted, uses the occasional dirty trick, and tries to squash any opposing voice.
That kind of approach never works, of course. It just makes people wonder WHY it was done. 🙂
Thanks for the novel about things that never bother you or telling people you are no longer posting here…none of this was posted to stop anything..it’s part of the KC story whether you like it or not.
people give opinions and that’s what some have done here claiming the movie would be stopped. I never said that, I believe the WHOLE story should be told. it’s amazing how a couple comments can cause such a trigger.
I don’t care what people have said about Kenny..enough disturbing signs are visible to bring up questions. you seem to be bothered about people saying things that might not be true, the very samething you project onto many here.
A WordPress article about this is in the making and WILL be published after examining all the known evidence and researching the subject at length..after all, as you always state it’s the public that judges, not some low budget producer…
🙂
For someone to actually think a subject such as child molestation is funny causes more concern about the people involved making that statement. it’s a childish response one could relate to you making. if it was the producers then they are complete morons, and you can tell them that!
If I was to project my thoughts into this, it’s sounds like someone desperately trying to put a halt to the whole thing before it gets any bigger.
police officers have been found to be serial killers or rapists..how could they cover this up? everyone would say they never knew, so it’s not out of the ordinary that people don’t have the full story of someone’s background or what they have done in the past.
No, I believe a closer look into this matter is without a doubt warranted…
“No, I believe a closer look into this matter is without a doubt warranted…”
Sure you do. This is what I think: Drop a little TRUTH on people, rather than uninformed baloney, and they just panic and fall to pieces. Especially when they’ve already invested everything except the kitchen sink in negativity and twisting the truth around a bit here and there to forward an obvious agenda. 🙂
Good luck with that.
go to bed dude…really.
Trust? that’s pedophile 101..the first priority in many of them is gaining trust. many are given trust with the most valuable thing in the world, there children..you do this by trying to justify your honesty constantly!!!
people can trust you all day long with alarm codes and there homes. that doesn’t make you a perfect person or immune to lying, or anything else so give the work resume a break. most here know you all too well. we have to wait once again for attempt to leave the thread #11 to come around. someone told me you opened another forum lol..once again going against your own advice. I checked and sure enough there it is closed out to the public.
as I mentioned before, police officers as well as public figures such as Hollywood celebrities are being caught with horrific stories about sexually abusing children, even Senators..you telling me you know all about Kenny is completely false. you don’t know jack, especially since this happened decades ago.
10 years ago while working at a shutter company a guy we all knew with a wife and kids is now in prison with 27 count of sexual assault on his OWN children. he was liked by many in the office and showed ZERO signs of any kind of behavior he was charged with..I remember him flying down the hallway and asking him what was wrong…he said, I don’t like someone saying something that’s not true about me..it had nothing to do with the charges but he was bent out of shape that something was said about him about his work..he plead guilty to all the charges and won’t see freedom for decades to come..my understanding was it took several years before even his wife realized what was going on…his children were under the ages of 8!!! two were his own kids…I have a couple more first hand stories if you need them?
The guy at the shutter company, all his friends were SHOCKED once the TRUTH came out!!!!!they had no clue…
“good luck with that”
Nothing good comes out of stories of sexual abuse, luck has nothing to do with it either. defection 101.
Nothing is being twisted, it’s all from an article from 2007. nothing is taken out of context. you can’t go after the source either (Gray) the only thing that could be taken slightly out of context is accusing Kenny directly..you would never do such a thing talking about us, would you?
You have warned everyone about the possibility of Kenny’s behavior and laughed so none of this once again should bother you….just the start of 100 more comments by the guy who constantly claims he’s done with this thread..
welcome back from the 3 day absence 🙂
edit: deflection 101 🙂
So, Blevins said: “And please stop tossing the idea that accusing Kenny of a felony is somehow wrong. You guys discuss suspects all the time.”
If a person is innocent, and you accuse them of something they did not do – especially a felony, multiple felonies actually, then yes, it is wrong. And you have never read where I said a person was guilty of Norjack. Anytime I speak on suspects, I express doubts on that suspect. Shutter is the same. I don’t recall him ever saying he thinks a suspect is guilty of being Cooper.
Blevins: ” I suspect some of you might be homophobic as hell.”
Wasn’t you suspended from the DZ for calling Georger a homophobe. This comment was untrue and unnecessary.
Blevins: “I saw a comment about how we screen comments at YouTube and at WordPress. No we don’t. There are only two requirements for your comment to be posted. No personal attacks, and you can’t post anonymously at our WordPress, as people do here.”
More bullshit. You told me in the old thread that i would never be able to comment on your wordpress articles. You simply do not allow comments that disagree with your narrative. That is a truth that is very easily observed.
Geoffrey Gray must be “Homophobic” too according to his logic..he reported the story that Mr. Blevins will naturally tell everyone is wrong and they are uninformed. Gray must of been one as well.
Deflection is all he has with this..we have a well known writer (Gray) writing about his findings and talking with people who knew Kenny say a lot of different things than what Mr. Blevins claims.
It appears everything stayed the same from the 70’s up to 2007…now, Bobby comes in and changes the story..”we know the truth” him and his producers think child molestation is funny (laughable) not a God Damn thing funny about it.
Yes, his name is Bobby and will be 65 soon or is already…he laughed that off trying to imply he wasn’t 65..how about 64, truth does hurt 🙂 calling people on my forum “a bunch of old farts” guess what, you can get into the theater cheaper now 🙂 old man…
Shutter and Parrot: I thought you two would have read that extensive post back there and realized that coming after me personally wasn’t the way to go. And that twisting around the truth wasn’t the way to go either. Every time I put out the truth for the public, you two go ballistic.
I never said the producers thought pedophilia was funny. I said they thought your childish comments were funny. If I told Parrothead he couldn’t comment on our WordPress or YouTube entries, just look at the two of you and your recent posts right here. Look at your own entries over at YouTube, where you jump hard on any person who might believe KC was the hijacker. Why would I allow you to pour vitriol all over my hard work?
Meanwhile, I went around at YouTube and REMOVED every single comment I made to your videos I could find. I did that because I figured adding to the discord was pointless.
You tried to create a false picture about me publicly. You have been doing that for a while. Don’t speak to me about one minor comment I allegedly made when you host a site that contains HUNDREDS of negative references about me. That has been going on for FOUR years, my friend.
I finally drew the line when you started hinting things about ‘unstable,’ ‘dangerous,’ and even made a reference to random shootings, and suggested some ridiculous ‘petition’ to the local police. At that point, I had seen quite enough…and just laid out the truth for people about my daily life and what that is all about. Nothing like YOU said, I assure you.
And I think that’s the thing that’s got you upset.
To add more insult to your behavior I seen what you wrote on Amazon concerning Andrade’s book. no more than a couple weeks ago you stated that you don’t give reviews to these books. that’s a lie because you have done it several times. I seem to recall you removing the one with Bruce because of the lack of attention. you flat out accuse him of having shills..do YOU have all the facts before judging? is this the vindictive, spiteful behavior you swear you don’t have!
Andrade is good people..he never gets mixed up into this drama you create constantly. you were caught shilling years ago by Farflung..I still have the screenshots from that evening. you tried to lie and say it was a past employee or something like that, then he posted another one of the guy from England, sorry don’t follow you enough to know his name..he’s with AB. Geoff Nedler “the smartest guy on the staff”
The behavior you show is very childlike Robert…you lash out in hatred all the time while accusing everyone else of the same. the review was made somewhere around the time you stated you don’t make any reviews on these books. that the payback for not getting involved with the movie..
As Parrot stated, you censor everything, with bleach. dictators use the exact same M.O. zero disagreements, no “I don’t think Kenny was Cooper, nothing.. all for Robert…hail to Robert..
This is a new all time low….
This is MY definition of ‘creating drama,’ folks, and why I made that extensive response. Enough was ENOUGH. Credit to Shutter:
“Sadly, this is how mass shooting have started by not heading the warnings that have been obvious. then people always ask why it happened????? perhaps a petition with dozens of names to Roberts local police should be established…”
that’s reality…not drama…I see you are babysitting this site now…worried much?
I was suspended from Dropzone once for posting up a picture of two vultures on a telephone pole and making a caption on it that referred to Georger. If you’re asking. 🙂
“Ditching this site should be easy.”
ca you prove that?
‘that’s reality…not drama…I see you are babysitting this site now…worried much?’
No, but I think going the personal attack-dog route is a losing situation for you. Just makes you look bad, but that’s only my opinion. And excuse me…but YOU and Parrot were the ones making multiple postings after I laid out the truth for you, which sort of differs from your version of reality.
You should go back and read it thoroughly a second time. It’s such a thorough and comprehensive response to some of the untrue statements you have made about me that I actually converted it to a PDF. 🙂
lol, what truth..lets not deflect Robert…the topic was you making reviews..you keep backing up trying to deflect…
Ditching this site should be easy.
I’ll ask again…can you prove this?
Well, you’re still here aren’t you? And practically every post is about me personally. I already proved all your allegations about me were a pile of uninformed statements, with not a fact mixed in there anywhere.
Truth is, you can talk about KC all you want, even call him a child rapist if you wish, even WITHOUT proof…and there isn’t much I can do about it. I made a complaint, sure. Knew it wouldn’t go anywhere, but then I didn’t try all that hard either.
On the other hand, if you are going to make statements about me PERSONALLY, assumptions, whatever it is you do with that…get your facts straight. You got pretty upset when I responded with that extensive post back there. You didn’t like it when I posted up about our lives around here (Gayla and I) and laid out everything but what we usually eat for breakfast.
But you really deserved that, you know. You tried to create a false persona about me with other people, from 3,100 miles away, and without ever having met me. I simply set people straight with the truth.
I never read it until now…
I never accused Kenny of anything…get your facts right son..I said it need to be looked at further and the story should be told…I said enough is there to raise questions..you come in and accuse everyone…I didn’t get mad at anything…that’s once again you..you went bat shit firing off emails to Bruce DEMANDING the comments be removed, blocking both of us on emails…I sent several test emails that never came back 🙂 then you make threats to try and shut Bruce down by complaining to WordPress…hows that going by the way….the uninformed are wondering 🙂
the comments of 2011, lol, let it go dude..I wasn’t even around pal..now, of course if you were part of that it would be “water under the bridge” “old news” forgotten, never to be brought up again..shout it down!!! Evergreen style…
I have never said anything untruthful on You Tube..you came in with 6 comments in a row…another thing you accuse others of…
I know all about McWiliams..it goes back to the DZ days..
He stated in 2007 the house was “odd” sounds like he wasn’t gay so it was not his bag..he never mentions the teens or anything about them..Rose Edmiston did though..she said rumors were floating around Bonney lake..she also worked for NWO and doesn’t believe Kenny was the hijacker..not something Kenny should of done trying to look like a farmer lol and keep a low profile..Mac, lived there off and on so he doesn’t have the full story either..
I’m not the one with multiple people telling me I’m unstable..
“Your behavior is very suspicious and frankly, it makes you look very unstable.”
The article will be published…
you keep dodging the question
Ditching this site should be easy.
I’ll ask again…can you prove this, or are we uninformed of the truth, again 🙂
yes, I’m still here…difference is I never said I was leaving a dozen times 🙂
But you really deserved that, you know. You tried to create a false persona about me with other people, from 3,100 miles away, and without ever having met me. I simply set people straight with the truth.
so, how do you know me to come to all your conclusions about me? you have been trying to discredit me since 2014…who you think your fooling here lol
Please, tell us how I created a false persona…
Are you kidding me? And who is ‘us’? I was speaking of YOU.
All the answers you need are in the extensive post I made back there. You should go back up there and read it more thoroughly. 🙂
no, I’m not kidding you…I don’t make phony persona’s about anyone..you are the one who always projects your opinion onto others..calling us “haters, jealous” when neither are truthful…people hate what you do and talking about things related to the movie doesn’t imply jealousy. you have never met me and yet you have an accurate persona about me?..how could it be one sided with that statement?
you have been caught lying multiple times, you can’t even admit you were banned for behavior reasons..yes, I said you were not welcome before it started…tough..you first said you joined because you don’t like being told where you can and can not go..then you started the lies about Galen being the reason which didn’t start until after you announced who you were, and yes, we had a pretty good idea it was you from the start. another thing you tried to imply that we were punked.
Nothing would be said on my forum for months and you were banging away on the AB forum, including several topics with my name on them bashing away..at one point it was nearly 90% shutter..acting like a little school boy telling the two member lol how you warned this person, or that podcast, or producer about us..”haters, detractors” all for simply disagreeing..
we are full deflection now..still dodging the questions..you can’t stop people from talking about you or anyone else Robert or anything negative about one Kenneth Christiansen.
What false persona have I made of you..no deflection, no changing the subject..just the facts!
Facts? You wouldn’t know a fact about me, our investigation into Kenny, or represent it correctly, if the instruction manual dropped into your lap.
People can speak whatever they wish about Kenny Christiansen. You’re right. I can’t stop that. I made a minor complaint when he was accused of being a child rapist without any proof, without any witnesses. Seemed the right thing to do at the time.
Again, I will refer you to the extensive post I already made on these issues back there. Pretty much anything I had to say on what you ask is there. Come on. That was a lot of work on my part, you know. 🙂
no, you are deflecting again…please post the false persona against you…only that reason, not Kenny, not anyone else..just the false persona..how hard is that to do?
One post with the whole reason you believe I have a false persona of you…just the facts..not because I don’t believe Kenny was Cooper..the REAL facts of the false persona..it should be pretty easy…and not a long post..
It’s about your character and anyone or anything else..
edit: It’s about your character and not anyone or anything else..
I’ll tell you, okay?
I think some animosity started when we found problems with the evidence back in 2013. then it got worse when I opened the forum and you read that you were not welcome..I believe you feel left out regardless to what you claim because here we are 5 years later discussing it..you take things out of context, you don’t like being confronted with error’s or criticism, at all. you speak for every single person around you leaving people to wonder what is really said. you think when someone talks about certain points they are jealous and hate you because you believe you are right and they are wrong. you get very angry and lash out with articles, tweets, video’s or what ever you can get your hands on to try and control things..you are obviously a control freak since nobody is at your side online to back up anything…you constantly speak and project your opinion onto me..you tell people I hate you on public forums, podcasts, or once again, what ever avenue you can find. you are extremely hypocritical..you have been deceptive many times. you constantly change your mind flip flopping on things.
I believe you are a above average writer that has potential but your thoughts and rules won’t allow you to grow. you get very aggravated when a suspect gets attention..(Marla & Rackstraw) are the two you oppose the most. Reca is too funny for anyone…you are like a child sometimes..Bruce will speak at the library and then you do it..we started a project and soon after you announced the same. I’ve lost count how many times you stated you removed the shortcuts and no longer view my forum..the same goes here..it’s a broken record…people on your side have seen that you use them or a web forum as a vehicle to get back at me. Robert, you held your own forum hostage to try and get me to remove the ban….
Now, the above is just a portion…one thing I can say is I don’t go around “warning” producers, or jumping on podcasts and blast you. you make that a point with every move.
I’m sure I left a lot out but it’s getting late and I can’t stay up till the sun comes up like you do..I can’t sleep the day away…
I have no answers for you on any of this. You’ve accused me of lying on practically everything I’ve ever posted about ANYTHING. There is no dealing with that kind of behavior. You’ve been begging for examples. Fine. I will provide a few.
Contrary to what YOU say, the following items are TRUE:
1) I went missing in the Cascade Mountains for over thirty days and finally found my way out by stumbling onto Interstate 90 some distance west of Snoqualmie Pass.
2) I actually DID take a minor bullet fragment in my right forearm shooting a 22. It is still there.
3) I actually DID get washed out into the Pacific Ocean for a few days off the coast near Ozette Island, WA. (Maybe you should call the rangers at the Ozette station and see if they remember.)
4) Yes, I was pitched off the front of a nice Honda bike near Cave Junction, OR and was lucky to escape with my life.
The list goes on and on. There is no dealing with someone like you. Even some of your own forum members email me privately, though not necessarily about the things above.
About the only thing you haven’t accused me of is the Kennedy assassination. I asked you for an apology for all those things a long time ago. You rejected that, and still held to the idea you were right and true on all of it. According to your way of thinking, you are never wrong. On anything.
that’s all ya got and it causes all of this lmao…
no missing persons report, no doctor contacting the police about a fragments in your arm, two different calibers used in the story…stranded on a island you can walk too. a motorcycle “all over the road” injuries and you said nobody got a ticket lol..and again, nobody to back anything up..
these are things that happen when someone doesn’t believe a story. you do the very same thing just as anyone else does on the planet. they question something and they either believe it, or they don’t. some of these stories haven’t been brought up in years..
I accuse you of lying when caught..I call BS on a lot of things you say. there is a difference but you never comment on them that way. I also mentioned in the past that the stories could be partially true and you added an extended version to it..you are considered a Sci-Fi writer, you know, someone who makes things up for a living?
Are these stories suppose to be believed by all like the KC story? nothing negative like challenging the evidence to be allowed, just shout them down, right?
It doesn’t shock me that you don’t have an answer about what I wrote about you..it’s hard to debate. I find your personality troubling and others have stated about the same..some I don’t even know so don’t try that card. you can’t take criticism but dish it out by the truck loads. you censor everything Robert, call it what ever you wish. the only place you can’t control is in You Tube.
I don’t have any answers for your problems Robert. how can anyone believe someone who constantly leaves , or opens and closes PUBLIC forums. (permanently) dozens of times. you threaten people all the time. you drag Bruce through the mud constantly and turn around and post on his threads like nothing ever happened?
You should remove the negative review with Marty Andrade on Amazon…you still haven’t commented about that. (dodged) he respectfully decided not to work with you and that’s what he got for, as you call it “being negative” it was made on April 23. the same time you said you don’t do Cooper reviews. that’s called lying Robert…yes, I said the word “lying”
Narcissistic:
The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
People with narcissistic personality disorder believe they are superior or special, and often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way. This association enhances their self-esteem, which is typically quite fragile underneath the surface. Individuals with NPD seek excessive admiration and attention in order to know that others think highly of them. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat, and may be left feeling humiliated or empty when they experience an “injury” in the form of criticism or rejection.
Got milk? 🙂
shutter, I think that we can also call him ‘Side Show Bob’ too. He certainly comes off as narcissistic, and he is a relentless liar, but I see strong evidence that he has an agenda. This is why I refer to him as “Teflon coated,” he constantly gets caught lying, but it barely phases him… then he goes right back into the lying mode. This is why I made a point to call out the fact that, so far, the only thing that has really phased him, was when some people were exploring the subject of Kenny C being a pedophile, then Blevins comes totally unhinged. Blevins then tries to extort Bruce into editing those same posts. Also noteworthy is that Blevins also claims that he went back to YouTube and removed his own comments, comments which prove our points that we’ve made about him. I guess that I tend to think that people that are truly narcissistic, wouldn’t be so careless about their reputations, whereas Blevins is totally reckless about his own. Either that or he’s much dumber than he seems? A friend of mine has a great line about dumb people, he says in talking about a male dummy, he says, quote: “He’s so dumb, that he’s not even smart enough to realize how dumb he really is.” No, shutter, I think that Blevins has an agenda that overrides every move he makes, which is still pretty dumb. Blevins sure begs for the abuse, by being so abusive himself. Maybe Blevins gets off on the pain? Like a runner’s high or bumping one’s leg gives an endorphin release?
Hi Terry, the whole thing is ridiculous..I’ve never met someone like him, ever. that’s not a good thing either..this is the exact same thing that happened on the DZ and will continue regardless of him saying he’s leaving…he said that a month after joining the DZ back in 2010..it’s all smoke and mirror with him to imply “he doesn’t care” no ending to this story, it’s the first known working “Perpetual motion” device 🙂
shutter, I have dealt with the likes of Blevins on YouTube on the subject of the Ramsey case. From time to time I’d tend certain videos, especially ones that had the usual run of lies about the Ramsey case. I’d try to discuss the case with people that knew the case and were on the same basic page that I’m on, meaning an IDI person, meaning an “intruder did it.” We’d get harassed by a RDI bunch of trolls, meaning the “Ramsey’s did it.” Actually and despite their efforts, the IDI trolls were only one or two persons wearing a different hat. They’d use the same tactics that Blevins uses. They’d do anything they could to disrupt an honest discussion of the case. The difference here is that we can identify who the antagonist opponent is…it’s Blevins. In the video footage where Blevins is with other people, you can see by the body language and the behavior of the other people in those videos, that they’re on the verge of shaking their heads, rolling their eye’s or ready to burst out laughing. None of them actually engage Blevins, they just go through the motions that are expected of them.
I agree with your assessment of him being a stalker. One thing’s for damn certain, Blevins is truly a sociopath. Nothing…. and I mean nothing would surprise me about him. He is by far one of the most relentless liars that I’ve ever encountered.
One of his first acts that he laid on me was to fart off the Ramsey case and lay the damn crime on Patsy Ramsey. That act alone told me a lot about RMB. A cursory check of basic case facts shows that Patsy’s daughter suffered two strangulation events, with the second one ending her life. This was followed closely by a massive blow to the back of her head, which drove a piece of her skull into her brain and caused a gaping crack that went all the way around to over her right eye socket. There was less than a teaspoon of blood in her cranium. During this first strangulation event, she left claw marks from her own fingernails on her neck under the noose and she apparently had the missing tip of a paint brush forced into her vagina, leaving shards of wood inside and damaging connective tissue. Her body was wiped down.
JonBenet’s body was posed as a partial mimic of the infamous 1947 Black Dahlia/BD victim, Elizabeth Short. The odd $118,000 ransom demand paralleled John Ramsey’s bonus pay, which was said to be $118,117.50, which is exactly 50 cents SHORT of a figure of $118,118! Ms Short’s severed remains were posed at N34.0164 by W118.333. W118.330 would have been Degnan Blvd, a few blocks due east, as in the 6 year old victim who’s name was Suzanne Degnan, the daughter of a government official involved in meat rationing during WWII. This little girl was dismembered and her body parts were placed in storm sewers in Chicago, on Hollywood St. Ms Short got a little too nosy in the Degnan case and got herself made into an example.
All the while, our prime suspect JT was leaving a trail for us to FoLlaW, hint-hint. I’m posting here mainly do to the actions of two other people, namely Nanette Barto and Bruce A Smith. I take Nanette seriously, and so I casually followed the Cooper case up until I saw the Playboy cutouts letter posted on YouTube by someone calling themselves DBCooperdecoded, at which time I started my own thread. When I first arrived here, Blevins tried to obscure this DBCooper decoded connection with some of his own ready to go, made to order, disinformation. But when I had earlier watched the video of Bruce talking about the clip-on tie particles pointing back to Tektronix inc. of Portland and Beaverton OR, a “bingo” alert sounded off in my brain. The deeper I looked at the Cooper FBI FOIA files, the more amazing the case linkages all became.
Then I find out that the composite drawing that we’ve all been seeing for the last 4 plus decades is phony! But notice that Blevins tries to reinforce that phony composite by ramrodding Kenny C…. and Kenny C does somewhat resemble that phony composite. Except that for the fact that anyone that has proper reading and comp skills, they can tell that Kenny never was a valid suspect to begin with. However, and once again, there’s a possible pedophile character woven into the whole works!!! And… who’s mainly been spinning that yarn? Blevins, that’s who! This is why I assert that he has an agenda.
Blevins also fits the prime definition of a person that’s insane. The root definition of “insanity” is: “insanity may be defined as “doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” On the other hand, John Ramsey quoted the case of his daughter having people surrounding it that “tell lies loud and often.” That’s Blevins 101, isn’t it! That way he can later on try to claim insanity too….I did say try.
oops, my bad…an RDI person was only one or two persons wearing different hats. There is in fact absolutely no evidence whatsoever that shows that the Ramsey’s were involved in the murder of their daughter, none! Which is one of the most startling and diabolical aspects of that crime.
BTW, around Minnesota, I only saw only two basic lawn signs during the presidential election: 1) Trump for President 2) Hillary for Prison…I did see one and only one pro-Hillary sign in all of my travels. What does that tell you? What does that say about all of the phony polls that put President Trump down? That tells me that right here in Minnesota, many people were already wary of Clinton….and these are working class people too!
I took down the Andrade review…fine. But you might want to tell him that trying to recruit shill reviews for your book at Amazon is a big no-no. I did that to teach him a lesson. It’s what amateur authors do at Amazon. They try to recruit their friends to make glowing reviews for them. Amazon is trying to put a stop to it. If he wants legitimate reviews, tell him to mail out a few copies to reviewers.
Don’t try your psycho babble on me. You don’t even KNOW me. You’re no shrink, and not even a good amateur.
I guess I have nothing to be apologetic for. I’m just a rank amateur and don’t know any better. Happy Memorial Day everyone.
just like the shills you did years ago, got it…okay, no problem…I never said I WAS a shrink but am within my rights to show similarities!!! you on spot on with the term written today as well as the definition of Character assassination that fits you like a glove posted a while back..
you seem upset for taking down something you claim you never do to begin with 🙂
I’m not your personal assistant..you contact Marty if you need to say something to him DIRECTLY.
vindictive:
full of spite or malice; showing spite; malicious; malevolent; venomous
I believe 377 coined you “the venom magnet”
🙂
Hypocrisy:
Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.
🙂
February 18, 2011
Geoffrey Nelder (with AB)
Five stars-topic: Fascinating research into modern mystery…
June 18, 2006 not Cooper related
review by GaylaP (Owner) not shown..
Response by AB: “won’t you please follow the advice of GaylaP and buy this awesome book?”
There is more..
” It’s what amateur authors do at Amazon”
Note the term “hypocrisy” written above 🙂
Geoffrey Nedler makes two shill comments on two different books from 2006 into 2012 and recruits another writer friend Mrs. G. Hobson who also joins in..2006, Andrew Thomas with AB makes also a review…
stop preaching to people what is right and wrong Robert..
” It’s what amateur authors do at Amazon”
We don’t have an ‘Andrew Thomas’ at AB. He was a former friend. I haven’t seen him in more than ten years. When we first started up AB twelve or more years ago, I put him on the Staff Page for a few months, and then dropped him.
I dropped one writer’s story from Escape Velocity – The Anthology…because he put up a shill review and refused to remove it when I asked him to. He was a contributor to the book and he got his story REMOVED for doing that. That cost me $150 in fees from Lightning Source/Ingram to re-uplod the book, but I did it to teach him a lesson.
I believe Mrs. Hobson reads a lot, and she wasn’t recruited to review. And I will bet her review says ‘Verified Purchase’ on it. If Nelder reviewed any books at Amazon, they had better not be published by AB, or I will ask him to take them down. We have a firm policy on that. What he reviews outside of AB publications is HIS business.
Even Amazon says shills are baloney. That didn’t come from me. They have been saying that a lot lately. They are tired of it. Look for Verified Purchase on those reviews. If you don’t see that, this means they didn’t buy the book at Amazon. This is a tempest in a teapot. If Andrade is going to go recruiting at YOUR website begging for his friends to review his book….he stands a chance that a pro reviewer at Amazon will spot the shills and purposely trash the book. They DO that there. The pro reviewers at Amazon. To make examples of people.
And frankly…reviews don’t sell books at Amazon. MARKETING sells books.
And you are still telling whoppers about me, which is pretty foolish when you consider you’ve never even MET me LOL. 🙂 Of course, you are never wrong about anything, are you?
Robert, the screenshots tell a different story..I will post them in a video format for all to see since you wish to deflect once again..
you were busted by Farflung..took a while for you to admit it since he kept hitting you with screenshots of active reviews at the time, one after another..
Robert, you sound like the kids on Jerry Springer…”you don’t know me”
You seem to have no problem “knowing me”
what’s next…”My daddy will beat you up” lol
For anybody interested new radio show talking about the best suspect to date james klansnic they also talk some kenny for you RMB!
https://www.spreaker.com/user/parabnormalradio/ep-255-rob-bertrand-open-lines?tab=messages&utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A8215843&utm_term=messages_button
No thanks. I’ve had enough of listening to podcast interviews. The only one I’m interested in is the upcoming series by Darren Schafer.
Reviews going back further than the DZ and only a couple reviews on each book and yet you had no clue they were there lol..you monitor everything..so, books with hardly any reviews got put on there mysteriously and they used names connected to the book…lol okay Robert..
thought you don’t look at the site anymore? you have NEVER stopped viewing it..just more smoke and mirrors..
why are you bother Marty when he has said or done nothing to you? are you the Amazon police?
the staff
Robert M Blevins
Geoffrey Nelder
Christine Cartwright
Gayla J Prociv
Andrew Thomas (not at AB??)
Ginger the office cat
you made a joke about the cat having to stay behind..trip you were taking..
doesn’t matter if you dropped him…he’s your friend/employee and made a shill..your friend..you know how you like to connect things with that word, right? how do you say it, it’s partially your fault even though you didn’t know he did it…he’s YOUR friend…. 🙂
I swear I don’t know where you get this stuff. Ginger died in the 2008 Menu Pet Foods scandal. I haven’t seen Andy for many years. If you’re going to go digging for dirt on someone, try something a bit more recent.
Be careful you don’t turn into Oliver Crangle there. (Character from the Twilight Zone episode, ‘Four O’ Clock’.) You have some silmilarities with him. 🙂
Frankly, no one around Adventure Books much cares about your opinions on anything. After we reviewed the 150+ pages of screenshots taken from your website packed with insults galore and name calling, (right up to nearly the present day, NOT ten years ago) we kind of wrote you off. 🙂
AB Staff Page has been the same for years. MANY years. Robert, Greg, Phoebe, Geoff, and Gayla. Same o Same o.
Here’s the deal: There is an old saying…’If you stop telling lies about me, I will stop telling the truth about YOU…’ Learn something from it. No one is right all the time, not even you.
yes, and the statement was made in 2006..that’s were we get it from..these are things written by YOU..not some “shill” where in the world would I get information about your office cat, from you of course…spare me the lying card..and the deflection..the video is uploading now..
they are not lies Robert…they are FACTS…
I never said I was right all the time, nor do I claim it or tell everyone constantly about “trust” that usually comes from one who is bothered with that word..
I would agree with you, but we would both be wrong 🙂
I don’t see much point in going around about this. Is there a question in here somewhere? Anything Cooper-related? Or is all you have some stuff from ten or twelve years back…long before we started investigating the case?
All I see from you is telling stories about people and then when someone calls you out on it, you keep insisting you’re right. When even YOU probably know you were NOT right. You are spinning your wheels here. I have made some minor objections to you saying that certain life events I’ve been through weren’t true. You can believe what you wish, I suppose. And one other objection regarding KC because you have no proof, no witnesses, nothing. I actually have witnesses who contradict your allegations. People who actually LIVED with KC. You based everything you said on a few lines from an article…and cherry-picked it anyway.
That is small potatoes, though. You could say you took a trip to Little America once as part of a research group. I could come back and say you didn’t because you didn’t post any pictures of penguins. What’s the point? There isn’t any. 🙂
deflection 101…years ago, water under the bridge, right lol..not Cooper related…are you implying this never happens with you lol..it’s only okay when you go non stop about me? (see Hypocrisy above) 🙂
The video is ready..the text is hard to read in some cases due to the way Farflung posted the screenshots..I don’t have the time to make it perfect..anyone can see them on the DZ or contact me 🙂
sure was a lot of work with this “unknown” person making all these shills 🙂
where in the world did this come from 🙂
I know where it came from ” It’s what amateur authors do at Amazon” 🙂
🙂
Well, I warned you what could happen. No big deal to me. But I did see Andrade recruiting for reviews from friends at your website. Personally, I don’t care about it much. But you do stand a chance of having the REAL Amazon reviewers come out of the woodwork and start posting up one star reviews. You can do it…but it is also the chance you take. It is highly discouraged by Amazon.
I like my video better…just sayin. 🙂
anyway you dish it..you were busted…then you pump up the chest trying to tell everyone how to present one’s self on Amazon when you have a clear dark past of shilling yourself!! you played dumb and yet some of the shills were on there for several years! how did you miss them for so long lmao..
post up all the deflection you want…the current topic was shills, not my forum or what ever that video is about..more vindictive, spiteful behavior….
Lets post up another definition to look at, shall we?
Sociopath:
Sociopaths are fast talkers. Their words are mostly false, if not entirely false. But they use many, many words designed to cover their behavior. They may be a completely different person from who they say that they are. Watch out for extremes. Big promises. Big stories, about the past or the future. Big plans, with no basis for them or no experience at whatever they’re planning.
EXTREMELY POSITIVE WORDS: You’re the best! I can’t live without you! I will never hurt you! You deserve better! You make me a better person! We’ll be rich! You’re the most beautiful [smart, persuasive, honest, ethical,spiritual, etc.] person I ever met! I’ll take you around the world! I’ll introduce you to some really famous people! Believe me!
EXTREMELY NEGATIVE WORDS: On the other hand, their words can be extremely negative, often after they’ve known you a little bit. They will blame you (their Target of Blame) for minor or non-existent offenses, such as: You lied to me! (Even though you didn’t and they lie constantly to you.) I can never trust you again! No one will ever hire you! No one will ever want you! I own you! I will destroy you! Don’t tell anyone what we’re doing, or I’ll have to hurt you! You deserve to be punished after what you did! You owe me this! I have never hurt you, but look at what you’ve done to me!
THE SWITCHEROO: A sociopath will often switch back and forth between extreme charm and extreme threats to get whatever they want from someone, depending on what they see is or isn’t working at the time. Watch out for strong opinions, which they then drop to adopt the opposite point of view when it’s convenient or makes them look good. They will use whatever words they perceive as helping them dominate the situation at the moment, like an artist’s palette of colors.
They also will figure out your weak spots, your vulnerabilities. They may play on them positively, with words to boost your ego. You will be incredibly successful. With my connections and your brains, we’ve got it made. Or they may play on your deepest fears. See, your body really isn’t attractive at all. No one will ever want to be intimate with you. Or no one will ever hire you. I’m the best you’ll ever get. You better be grateful. Very grateful.
Damn. I hate it when they post the wrong video…
https://youtu.be/e2mMtsB-KqA
You aren’t REALLY ‘Fonzie’ cool unless you play all three videos at the same time. 🙂
DEFLECTION 🙂
Deflect:
If you deflect something such as criticism or attention, you act in a way that prevents it from being directed toward you or affecting you.
Are you kidding? We’re in the publishing biz around here (among other things). We know what criticism is. We just don’t like folks who spread untrue gossip just to make a point, or to impress their forum members, or whatever reason you do that.
It’s so…crotchety somehow. 🙂
You don’t really understand what’s happening here, do you? I thought you would have figured it out by now. I don’t take you seriously. I have enough 8.5 x 11 shots of insults and name-calling posts from your site to paper two walls. They go back YEARS. You have some minor posting at some remote location from a decade ago or something. I still haven’t figured that out completely.
And then you have the nerve to tell me I do character assassination. Brother, you made it into a bloody science. Still ongoing. If I were in your shoes, I would have pulled the plug on Georger’s moderation powers, too.
The only time I gave you any respect in an answer is when I posted The Big Kahuna post back up there a ways. But until you decide to man up (for once) and admit you *may* have been wrong on a couple of things you claim about me….then you can’t expect me to provide you any respectful or serious answers.
Not that I’ve seen any real questions from you anyway.
deflection once again..
we are discussing the shills you made on Amazon..not what’s on my forum. you constantly shift the story. stay focused…
these are not things I’m looking for approval from you from Robert..I’m simply showing you faults and contradictions..if I want to involve only you I’ll email you, got it! I don’t care what you think about it…you come on here blasting others for things you have done that appear to be far worse than what you accuse other people of , so it’s only fair to show the faults you have while trying to drag someone in the mud playing all innocent…
you were doing shills for years and the proof is right there. the definitions I post are simply a tool. you are getting angry and lashing out over things you stir up..
I guess this site wasn’t as easy as you thought to drop, right? 🙂
state your case son…what is your case? start putting the proof up or shut up and move on..
lets go through what you believe is BS..you speak about it constantly so bring it on…
let me use your MO…lol, Georger was never a moderator and his power has been removed a long time ago..water under the bridge, old news lol..
3 people were given administration privileges for a project..all 3 are now back to normal members..you seem to know more about my forum than me lol..of course you haven’t been there in months though, right lol..
That’s right. I haven’t been to your forum in months. You are not in a position to demand, request, require, inquire, or whatever from me. You lost that right when you went the negative route and started coming after me personally.
Nothing has changed. I still believe you’re pissed off because you tried to bury the KC story ‘by all means necessary,’ and your efforts backfired on you. All those posts….your special page on KC…all the iies…all for nothing. You didn’t accomplish a thing and probably helped put us in the position we are now. Not the way I would have liked it, but there it is.
You don’t even have the sense to admit when you ARE wrong, and there is no dealing with someone like that. 🙂
I didn’t lose shit from you Robert..you are projecting your opinions onto me again..the pages are related to the DB Cooper story..Kenny is on them. you act as if they shouldn’t be? it hasn’t backfired on anything..that’s what I do..
I can post up anything I wish about any suspect involved with this case Robert, just as you do. we go after them all. you don’t like it because it doesn’t jive with your agenda..
why does this bother you so much? you always say nobody goes there, or believes anything but all you do is complain about what is said? you will be on top of the Cooper world with the movie that will prove Kenny is Cooper, right, so again, why does this bother you sooooooo much? it doesn’t make sense..it’s eating you up daily..2000 comments still isn’t enough..
The movie is set, no turning back and yet you keep posting ridiculous comments as if you are threatened by things said..I thought we were going to have to call the paramedics when they call Kenny a pedophile…
You want everyone to follow what you say and only what you say..newsflash, that’s not how it works..might work in China or Korea, but not here pal…this is the United States Of America where one is free to express there thoughts and opinions..you don’t like it, China and Korea are a good choice to move too..
I don’t see the real Marla or Tom Colbert demanding you remove negative comments about them. so soak it up pal..take it like a man and move on..your not going to try and bully me, got it..
Yes, you can post up whatever you wish regarding any suspect in the Cooper case. That is right. But when you started coming after me personally, spreading things on your website and elsewhere that just weren’t true…you lost all objectivity, and much of your credibility as well. You may not believe this, but others have seen this as well.
You didn’t lose anything from me. Anything you lost came from elsewhere, and you brought it on yourself. That’s a personal opinion. You really pulled out all the stops, even claiming things about me that started approaching ridiculous. It’s a tried and true tactic, I’ll admit. But if you do it long enough, people begin to see through it.
I have very little respect for you. You lost sight of the goal and tried the lowball route. Good luck with that.
Robert, the bump on your arm is visible in old video’s you made..you claimed the ricochet was recent and said two different calibers..when ever you go to the hospital or doctors and have ANY type of wounds related to firearms they have to alert the police…because you can easily LIE and tell them it was an accident when it could possibly be from something like a robbery, or a shooting of some sort…
The story with the motorcycle is not believable either..you claim to be hit from behind, by an insurance person, cops show up with the bike “all over the road”, and you injured and nobody gets a ticket with zero proof to backup any of the story..just as you did to Marla asking about tickets looking for proof to the story…
until you show some sort of proof, they will remain as they stand..BS…
Sure. You go with that story. I suppose I could have a few family members or friends verify those things for you…but you would call them liars anyway.
Some guy three thousand miles away (that would be YOU) trying to tell me about incidents in my life. What sort of proof would satisfy you? Maybe I should have that fragment checked with a metal detector? You could try calling the Cave Junction, OR cops and see if they remember that far back? LOL. Give me a break.
You can believe whatever you wish. Makes no never-mind to me. Opinions from you on my life get less consideration than the ones I get from my cat. And he doesn’t talk much, although I keep trying to teach him to do so. 🙂
I thought you might appreciate a comment I made elsewhere recently on another subject. I felt sure you would agree with my viewpoint on it:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-veterans-feel-about-Trump-after-his-first-year/answer/Robert-Blevins-2?__nsrc__=4&__snid3__=2570940047
this is not the place for politics Robert…
I don’t care what you do…the burden of proof is on you..if you can’t back them up, then you can’t complain about people not believing..we went through this before. I asked for proof and got a bunch of flak and more drifting off the subject to deflect..
I don’t call people “liars” until proof is shown..I called these stories deceptive in my article on the website.
This is you again believing others will do the same as you…you quickly call people liars, not me. I call BS vs liar..
Nope. YOU were the one who said those things did not happen to me. That means the burden of proof is on YOU. As far as the political post, you deserved that because of your gloating email to me a while back. Or don’t you remember? Yeah, you deserved that. 🙂
Show the medical report….the proof is on you pal, not me..you have to prove a story. I din’t post the story, you did..I don’t have to prove something you claim..I can disprove something, or prove it when the person who made the comment is not available..you are here, so the direct source should be able to post documents supporting the claim..I can’t do that….you have the records..
Robert, something said in an email doesn’t mean you can post the topic about it directing it at me..politics don’t belong here…just like in bars..
you are drifting again
Blah blah blah. You’ve gone SO far over the top, no one around the AB office, or even me personally, cares what you do or don’t believe. Can’t deal with someone who is silly enough to believe EVERYTHING is a lie. Yet that’s your position. But the more you go that route, the harder it is to maintain the facade. Even your own supporters start to doubt you, although most wouldn’t go public on that.
Come on, don’t you know when someone is playing with you? I would have figured it out a while ago. You have questions, then ask politely and go the usual route. You don’t ask questions because you want to be proven wrong, or be forced to apologize. You do it to continue your agenda. “I’m NEVER wrong on ANYTHING, and I have to make sure it STAYS that way…”
Get real. 🙂
You have an agenda bigger than the Sears Tower when it comes to us. Everyone KNOWS that. Believe what you wish. 🙂
Blevins said: “Blah blah blah. You’ve gone SO far over the top, no one around the AB office, or even me personally, cares what you do or don’t believe. Can’t deal with someone who is silly enough to believe EVERYTHING is a lie. Yet that’s your position. But the more you go that route, the harder it is to maintain the facade. Even your own supporters start to doubt you, although most wouldn’t go public on that. “Unquote.
I called you blah blah Blevins a long time ago already. Your credibility is zilch! You’ve lied so often now, that people figure that nothing you have to say is credible. And shutter is correct in using the term “deflecting.” You try to turn the table on people, but you have no table to turn. Blevins, you’re the one that runs a facade. And Blevins, you’ve NEVER had any supporters to begin with….why? Because you’re a pathological liar. How many times have you announced that you were gonna stop posting messages here now? I’ve seen that message from you at least 3 times myself. So far, I’ve never seen shutter lie even once. Once again, I accuse you of burying my messages with your lying ass bullshit. Unlike you, I don’t make up the things that I post, I back my remarks with documents!
If you don’t like my comments, or are tired of responding to them, I have a simple solution for you.
Just tell Bruce to ban me from Mountain News (easy enough) otherwise you will ban HIM from the Cooper Forum. Come on, you can do it, I know you can. He will pick you over me any day of the week and twice on Sundays. You might not even have to use the ban threat. He will do it if you ask.
And I have absolutely NO problem with him doing that. He doesn’t like me posting here anyway.
I dare you. I DOUBLE dare you. 🙂
Ok I am no longer bothering with this thread it is just is simply a ring for two fighters rmb and shut. Hey shut least you can do is unban me, I need an outlet to talk cooper this is not cutting it since all the commentary on here is a war of word between you and blevins… bruce this has gone on long enough!
Thanks,
Nicky
I sympathize with you Nicky, but the cure may be worse than the disease.
I will take this into consideration and give you an answer tomorrow..please don’t let me down if I agree to reinstate you..I very rarely give second chances..
I know I am skating on thin ice shut, I promise to be a model forum member from here on out. I will not let you down if graciously granted a second chance….
you brought up the fact of me saying the claims were a lie…I asked you several times in the past for proof..you keep playing games and spouting off ridiculous deflective comments to bypass the fact of not wanting, or not able to show any proof…it’s that simple, no agenda..you say something you should be ready to back it up, period..
I’ll ask one more time…show some sort of proof with the bullet fragments in your arm..it’s that simple..you have stated doctors have looked at it..records are there. failing to do so will hurt you credibility to the story..it’s that simple Robert..
Banning you has nothing to do with verification Robert. it’s just another attempt to deflect..I don’t play dirty tricks like you do by blackmailing Bruce. you are asking me to threaten the owner of this thread Robert. just like what you said about Amazon, “It’s a big no-no”
“I’m NEVER wrong on ANYTHING, and I have to make sure it STAYS that way…”🙂
who said that, it’s in quotations…surely your not putting words into my mouth again with quotations to boot?
My suggestion would be to lock the thread…
Easier solution you just no longer engage with blevins on the mwn…
I think theres a Suburu in there somewhere too. He’s always talked about his old Suburu. Maybe a Nissan.
Shutter at this point I don’t care what your beef with blevins is you and rmb are both disrespecting bruce…I’m sure you would not let this go on over at the cooper forum so practice what you moderate shut!
I have complained several times and gave up..no, I wouldn’t allow this. I stop it…I lock threads when things get bad and remove the virus when needed.. I re-open the thread once things cool down..I can’t tell Bruce what to do. I can suggest things..
You can ban me if you wish. I’ve been kicked out of a few places in my lifetime and they haven’t always been on the internet. 🙂
That was a joke.
*Know this:* When someone pulls out all the stops, uses every means available at their disposal to present me in an untruthful light, pulls out every dirty trick they can think of from their back pocket…brother, I’m going to give it to them as good as I get. You can bet on that.
I never was the lay down and take it sort of guy, although I have been known to forgive.
medical records are not dirty tricks…challenging stories are not dirty tricks…blackmailing people is a dirty trick…you are a lay down sort of guy when it comes to proving a story others say is untrue…
when you get the proof you know where to find me….medical records shall set you free….
“when you get the proof you know where to find me….medical records shall set you free….”
Dear ‘Ding Dong’: It took WEEKS for the bump to appear on my arm, since the fragment was SO small. This is why it wasn’t reported as a ‘gunshot wound’ lol. It was just a bump. Doctor said, “You have a small metal fragment in there, maybe a quarter the size of a BB. A small mass has developed around it”. I didn’t exactly let on to him it came from a gun, you know. But I knew where it came from and that was good enough for me. At the time it happened, it just felt like a bee sting. It was actually a relief to know what it was, since I thought it might be cancer or something at the time.
As if I would provide you with any of my medical records anyway…:)
You take yourself WAY too seriously. Actually, me and mine were set free back when they published the Declaration of Independence. At least that’s what they told me.
From my recollection, Robert was kicked off Drop Zone a number of times, but always came back. Of course. Georger was kicked off as many times as were others.
So Shutter, it might be asking too much of you personally, but if you let Robert on your master site for one trial run, with probation period, you would look like a winner.
took you all nite for that one..lol
Gypsy23, absolutely not..this will never happen. nothing good comes out of it..the proof is on the DZ and here..
The guy tosses serious false accusations about me that go unchecked here..then he tries to put blame on me for something I had absolutely nothing to do with, your joking right? Nicky did what he did and I had nothing to do with it..that was the whole purpose of coming here was to clear it up..he drags everything here vs his site..I didn’t come here and plaster a bunch of nonsense about him..it all begins with Mr. Blevins..if he didn’t bring anything up, nothing like you have seen would of occurred..period..this is what you get when Robert is around..if you want to blame others for it, that’s your decision.
Gypsy says in part:
“So Shutter, it might be asking too much of you personally, but if you let Robert on your master site for one trial run, with probation period, you would look like a winner.”
Nice of you to say that, Gypsy. And although I still support the Cooper Forum to a degree…I have no wish to post there. Thanks anyway.
Shutter: ‘False allegations?’ You speak of the Nicky incident, where a guy joined our old AB Forum and gave a Facebook credential. He emailed us with the request. His email had a picture, which matched his Facebook page. His FB page said he was a lawyer. I had no idea at the time he was a former member of YOUR forum whom you had banned…otherwise I never would have let him onboard the AB Forum.
Next day….he finds something on our forum to bitch about to the ProBoards server. We get closed down. I tell him: “Sorry, but we’re closed down. I may have it back up later.”
Your banned member comes back with: “That was ME who got you shut down. I was hired by Shutter.” (paraphrased)
I try to contact Shutter, but I’m blocked from his email. No way to verify Nicky’s story. So I went public on THIS site, HERE…to get Shutter’s attention.
Later…at THIS site…Nicky admits he was just trying to get back into Shutter’s good graces to be allowed to re-join the Cooper Forum. (Confused yet?) And he was lying about Shutter having hired him.
And this folks…is why….the new Adventure Books of Seattle Discussion Board is by invitation only today. 🙂
Robert, follow along, okay…not being able to contact someone doesn’t give you the right to promote something you know is probably false and make it appear true…I don’t understand how you come to this conclusion.
Hey…I sent you the emails from Nicky as you asked. He represented to me that he was hired by you. He had a verifiable identity at Facebook…I had no way to check out his story at first…and some of that was your fault. You went public saying, “I blocked all communication with Blevins.” At first, his story seemed solid on the surface.
In addition…everyone at AB of Seattle was fully aware that you had made complaints to ProBoards before about the AB Forum. Don’t bother to deny that. So what did you expect we would think? We figured you might be doing it again. I had no other way to get your attention. And after you finally noticed what was going on, I did not call you a liar. I accepted that you were telling the truth.
In any case, it was big fat mess for everyone from start to finish. And, as I said, that’s why the new AB Forum is by invitation only. People send a request, and if we approve, they get a registration link sent to them. And brother….you can bet they get checked out thoroughly first. No one has been allowed to join whom we are not already familiar with already.
Robert, you know you are blocked, that’s not the point..the point is you made it appear to be true while knowing it was probably false. sending a thousand emails will not correct this.
Example: you blocked me on email, right..
Lets say someone sends me a message that you were seen doing something I know is probably not true, now, do I go online to this site or another and tell people what the email says or do I say that I can’t contact you and decide not post the email and word my post to make it appear true even though I know it’s probably false?
answer: I would post the email asking you if any truth is in this accusation since I can’t email.
You stated as fact several times that I paid someone to spy on you, and hired a lawyer..if you want to get technical you are paying Greg Page to monitor my forum since he works for AB, or is associated with them.
Come to think about it, I’m going to unblock your email. I don’t figure you’ll send me any messages, but just in case this crap ever happens again. I don’t think it will, though. The new AB Forum isn’t really a ‘discussion’ board now. It’s just a private way for people we know out in the general public to lay stuff on us, or get help with writing, camping trips, etc. Just easier and quicker. I don’t imagine we will ever have many members, but frankly…that works for me just fine. I’ve had enough of wide open forum boards. Three times was NOT a charm LOL. 🙂
I saw your post up there. Here’s the problem: We’re not talking about just a claim via email by Nicky. The site was actually closed down first…and THEN Nicky sent his dumb emails to us.
I want you to imagine this situation in reverse. Let’s say you go to the Cooper Forum one morning…
And it is just GONE. And it isn’t coming back. EVER.
Then…you get emails saying that I hired someone to go digging for dirt on you and make a complaint…and that’s why your site vanished.
You can’t contact me because I blocked you…
You also know that I had you shut down at least one time previously…
Don’t be foolish. You would have gone ballistic. Our response was probably more tame, and I’m pretty sure if you had been posting to Bruce’s site, or seen me at Bruce’s site posting, the comments from you would have been over the top. And here’s the funny part: I wouldn’t blame you a bit for doing so.
Face facts, and there are two of them. First, Nicky made fools out of both of us. Second, you did the right thing by banning him.
I explained that I would post the email asking if any truth is in the allegations Robert..I wouldn’t make comments that appear to be true while knowing they are not…
I don’t have a problem with you opening up 20 sites Robert..you keep telling people you are done, or it’s open, it’s closed. you want to have a closed forum, that’s your option. I’m not going to say anything about it..I just don’t care, that’s the part you find hard to understand..I’m not trying to stop the movie either, I don’t see how I could. others have spoken about not wanting it to happen, I haven’t said that so please stop putting words in to my mouth.
I can’t stress this enough..I’m not in this for fortune or fame..I’m interested in the case. I opened a forum about DB Cooper..that’s it..no hidden agenda. guilty by association is BS as well. that’s like blaming you for everything that goes wrong in Seattle because you live there..Nicky has been long gone from my forum. October 22, 2016 to be exact. he did come clean about the story so I might consider his return. I haven’t even contacted him other than on this thread about anything. he has sent emails in the past but I never replied. Bruce even got involved.
It’s very simple..if a “nicky” situation was ever to occur again, you simple post the facts asking if any truth is in the article, email, post etc. and I will reply with an answer..
Face facts, and there are two of them. First, Nicky made fools out of both of us. Second, you did the right thing by banning him.
Nicky was banned for other reasons. he made a fool out of you Robert..you took a joke as fact. I had nothing to do with it..you posted it as factual while knowing it might be false..huge difference.
according to you I did the right thing on banning him, I wasn’t aware of what he was doing after the fact and since my name is involved it’s partially my fault?
If the guy next door to you kills his wife are you partially to blame for knowing him even though you had no clue he killed his wife?
“Nicky was banned for other reasons. he made a fool out of you Robert..you took a joke as fact.”
Excuse me…but having your site closed down is not ‘a joke’. You ignored my comparison back there. An email saying this or that would be a joke. What Nicky did, and representing YOU as the instigator and financier of the whole things was nothing even remotely close to a ‘joke’.
Yes, I would have just posted up the email had his actions just been an email. But it went beyond that, don’t you think? Are you going to sit there and try to convince me YOU would have just posted up an email like that…and NOTHING else…if you had gone to the Cooper Forum and found it was permanently deleted? Let’s try some reality here. You would have gone off the deep end…big time. Especially if you had been closed down once before…and I had been the cause.
That guy…this Nicky guy…did make fools out of both of us. I had to change the entire process of running any kind of forum, even a small private one.
Excuse me…but having your site closed down is not ‘a joke’.
where did I say it was a joke? I said you took a joke as fact (nicky’s allegations)..get your facts straight and stop taking things out of context..I told you I would post the emails asking for any truth..what part don’t you understand..I have said this more than 5 times in the last couple months.
This will be the 6th time….I would post that email stating someone said you were the cause the site was shut down…the headline would read “Robert, any truth to this?”
You haven’t answered this question..
If the guy next door, that you know, kills his wife and you had no clue it was him that did it, would you be partially to blame because you know him?
That’s because I don’t do hypotheticals. You’re fooling yourself if you believe your reaction would not have been worse than mine. You would have gotten yourself a REAL lawyer and went ballistic. The only reason I only posted up about the incident was because I had not that much invested. I was not on the internet with that forum for four years, such as the Cooper Forum is/was.
I firmly believe that if I had made some complaint about the Cooper Forum…got it shut down at least once as you did…and then it happens again and someone takes claim for that saying I hired them…and tells me this the same day the forum was shut down…you would have believed it. Not only that, but you would have done a lot more than just post up his emails and ask about it. 🙂
It would have been ugly to see. And like I said…if I had actually done that to you…I would have deserved it. There is no joke here. Anywhere.
Thinking about all this is why I unblocked you. Just in case. Looking back now, I think it’s obvious you should have left SOME form of com available to Adventure Books staff. Otherwise, we have no real way to verify his claims. No worries, though. It will never happen again. We may not have many members at the new place, but NO ONE gets onboard unless we know them personally and they are who they SAY they are. 🙂
My opinion is that everyone learned a lesson here. I would have been less likely to believe Nicky, had you not had us closed down previously, maybe even TWICE. You did have a history of doing that, you know.
For the record….I never reported roberts forum lol it was simply a coincidence it was shut down the day I joined. I was in now way responsible for the closing of your site. You had emailed me saying sorry forum has been shut down and I joked back y saying yeah it was me shutter hired me. Never did I claim to be a lawyer and it does not say that on my facebook profile so I have no Idea what profile you were looking at that matched my picture? My guess is you never saw one and made that up rober again you believe what you wanted to believe and you conjured this whole thing up in your head as were speaking it as truth on this website,
Look…we should just stop discussing this anyway. What’s the point? What good will it do? Nicky played his little game and both you and I got the fallout from it. It was a crap deal all around for everyone.
We have tried to treat you *reasonably* fair around here. For example, when Greg and Gayla dropped 150 pages of screenshots on me over at Greg’s house a couple of weeks back…I went over them and said NO COMPLAINT. (to your server) Even though I don’t like, and certainly don’t agree with a great deal of the things I saw from Georger etc…this doesn’t mean I wanted to cause problems for you.
Besides, on the off-chance you had been closed down due to some complaint based on the screenshots, everyone would have blamed me for that. I just didn’t want to go there. FYI: Greg is no longer viewing your site. If he is, he isn’t saying anything to me or Gayla about it. I told him I didn’t want to know anything more. I don’t go there either. Better for me, better for everyone.
No Robert you played yourself bud!
“For the record….I never reported roberts forum lol it was simply a coincidence it was shut down the day I joined. I was in now way responsible for the closing of your site. You had emailed me saying sorry forum has been shut down and I joked back y saying yeah it was me shutter hired me. Never did I claim to be a lawyer and it does not say that on my facebook profile so I have no Idea what profile you were looking at that matched my picture? My guess is you never saw one and made that up rober again you believe what you wanted to believe and you conjured this whole thing up in your head as were speaking it as truth on this website,..”
Really? You have a short memory. On the other thread here on Bruce’s site…you already admitted it. And here’s a picture of your email below. The avatar matches the one you have from Facebook. Isn’t that the email address you already posted here as belonging to you?
https://imgur.com/VFvEGRM
It’s not a competition Robert, it’s logical thinking. you can’t project blame with actions of others. of course you can’t be blamed for the guy next door just as I can’t be blamed for Nicky’s actions. if I was aware then I would be guilty by association..
You posted Georger’s phone number and was shut down..who do you think did that? I believe Nicky admitted in a email he was trying to shut you down and it happened, correct? stop blaming me for the actions of others. the bottom line is you did something wrong..doesn’t matter who complained. it was you, and only you that crossed that line with Proboards.
you don’t seem to follow what you did…you took a joke, or something you knew was probably wrong and projected it in a way to appear truthful..you made two wrongs a right..anyway you look at it Robert..once the truth came out, you shift the blame onto me..wrong again..
Will you stop? Maybe I should have let Gayla and Greg have their way with you. Greg was pretty convinced you would have at least received a warning. You’ve crossed the line scores of times, and everyone knows that. The difference between us is I actually considered all the work you did on that site. Georger’s phone? Sure. We did that. Gayla and I? Our full names and home address posted on your site, even today…even after I asked you twice to remove that because of the other things he says? Also yes.
I already heard your argument about our address being public. That’s right. You can find it. My objection was to the crap he added TO that post…not just our address. All of that is still there, even today. Your excuse-making and holier-than-thou attitude is beginning to get on my nerves. Don’t make me sorry I went above Greg and Gayla’s recommendation. Gayla was absolutely furious by the time she got through the first dozen printed-up screenshots. Wanted the complaint letter and the printed shots sent to your server well…like YESTERDAY.
Before you launch into some tirade about threats, I was just making a point back there. The truth is, even though you have come after us personally scores of times on your Cooper Forum, I have to allow this to continue. The reason being…I have to weigh the Cooper benefit against the nasty posts, and the Cooper benefit wins. ‘The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few…or the one…” as Spock once said. But there is a definite agenda going there.
Robert, stop the threats with your little girlfriend and Google guy..I asked to speak with her many times..
the subject is Nicky..you keep dragging more drama into the story..
Hey. Cool it with the insults on Gayla please. She saw enough of that via Georger’s posts at your website. Like I would give you her email or something. Are you wacko? Trust me…you DON’T want to hear whatever she might have to say to you.
No one’s threatening you. So far all I’ve seen from you is you trying to psychoanalyze with me with amateur psychobabble, a complete denial that you might be wrong on ANYTHING you’ve said about me, and refusing to admit basic facts regarding Mr Nick.
Hell, you are SO perfect and SO knowledgable anyway, what could I possibly answer that you don’t already know? 🙂
I’ve said this many times over that none of it belongs here…it got onto this thread by one person, that’s you. get Gayla, Greg, the Mayor or who ever you wish to try and resolve your problems..
Gayla should be taking care of HER company anyway..so have her contact me..should of been done years ago…
your address is posted publicly on numerous sites Robert, including the phone number..Georger’s is not…apples an oranges…
I suggest you remove the address and number if you don’t wish to have it posted…
Sounds like she either doesn’t know whats going on or is scared of confrontations. it’s always in the owners best interest to handle things first hand. if she’s that upset, why doesn’t she get involved. I deal with nasty contractors all day..you think I’m worried about someone hidden in the background? this has been going on for years and she does zip…not my fault..
Gayla knows all about you and the Cooper Forum. No, she doesn’t want to talk to you. Her main objection was about the content of the screenshots.
I already said I was letting all that go. You want to talk trash about us on your website? Go right ahead. Unfortunately, I am stupid enough to believe that even after all of that….your site DOES serve some purpose in the Cooper case. I also know some of your members are getting tired of the back and forth stuff. It’s pointless, goes nowhere, gets old, and is boring for the most part.
There is nothing to ‘settle’ here. You’re going to do what you wish. We do what we have to do regarding the motion picture, and then trust me….I will gladly be OUT of the DB Cooper business. In fact, I can hardly wait for that day.
On the day I finish my obligations for the movie, it won’t be long after that where I pack up our stuff and move a little closer to our families. After that, I’ll answer Cooper-related questions only when I feel I must. Putting the Cooper case behind me will be the easiest thing in the world, believe me. 🙂
Right now I’m busy trying to dress up that 280ZX for restoration, and that’s a lot more fun than anything Cooper. LOL…in my world Cooper (except for my duties on the film) is a big pain in the behind. I am grateful they decided to work with us, but it’s still a pain sometimes.
No big deal but the link below leads to Nick’s Facebook page. Notice his profile pic matches the one from his Google mail. The lawyer reference is now gone, though.
https://www.facebook.com/nicholas.broughton.5?lst=727237031%3A100002287561569%3A1527456846
It never had a lawyer reference robert lol you made that up exactly my point. Show me an email where I say I am a lawyer….I joked that shutter hired me so you assumed I must be a lawyer and ran with it never has my profile said I was a lawyer either that is straight lies on your part sir! I had made the joke that shutter hired me in reply to the message I got from robert saying ab forums was shut down. It was clearly a joke why would shut hire a lawyer and spend good money to do such a thing that is preposterous!
Robert, you are full of empty threats…
you have been trashing me for some time on this thread..prior to coming here my name was used often along with the false accusations tossed around, so don’t play that card..
Gayla doesn’t want to handle anything fine..take the easy way out..
stop threatening and send the screenshots to my server..how hard can this be for you, somebody man up over there…
Why the heck do you want to talk to Gayla? She only handles the books, and outside special order sales. How about you send me your wife’s email first, then? (No, don’t do that.)
No one is making threats. In fact, I went out of my way to show how I actually stood up for you after wading through 150+ nasty-ass screenshots. One insult after another. Some name calling. Some outright lies. Geez Louise. I was the only one out of the three of us that day at Greg’s house that weighed the value of your forum against the nasty stuff. It was a no-win situation for anybody.
Maybe I say yes. Send it all in to your server. Maybe they shut you down. Maybe they ignore it all. But if they DO a shutdown, then everybody blames me. And this just hurts further investigation into the Cooper case. Like I said, a no-win for everyone. A Kobayashi Maru scenario, like the Star Trek thing. I decided not to go there, no matter what things you and yours post.
Do whatever you wish over there. I just don’t want to see it, don’t want to know about it anymore. Better for everyone.
(*ignoring Nicky*) He caused enough problems as it is.
RECA
Anybody get a copy of the Reca book, yet? I’ve asked Principia Media twice, and I haven’t received my copy.
someone complained to me using the forum contact last week thinking they were being scammed…
first reply
I am unable to contact sender (mail returned) want to know when I will get book
was this a scam
second
I cannot contact seller of this book(mail returned on two emails provided on my receipt)
sorry, but I have been “burnt” on scams before
I just wanted info on when book will be sent and/or tracking info
Regard
I replied that I had nothing to do with the Reca story, or the selling of there books..
Weird. Principia Media seems legit.
people can post about you all they want…please show the lies you are talking about and stop stating things without backing them up..you always make things larger than they appear like the car mirror..the insults go both ways, I also have dozens of them from you and members of your forum. it’s ridiculous for you to play victim while doing the very same things you try to claim to be against. I refuse to conform..
It does sound like you took things out of context with Nicky..
Robert, do what you feel is best and not what you think others will say..they will not shut me down..no liable, just a bunch of silly comments about you..you have to do things for yourself and stop worrying about what the other people will say..if your address wasn’t popping up on a simple search I would have removed it..I found it on 5 sites..two on Facebook, one being yours, and the cleaning biz. a PDF shows the address and number in the search page. your name, address, phone number, and age pop up on a site as well. you don’t have to click on the sites..it’s in plain view before clicking on most of the sites.
people talk about others all over the internet. you can’t control it..trash talk is common as well (see last 1500 comments) it is what it is…I’m guessing since you were on a free forum by the server it makes it easier to remove..no money coming in..space being taken up..the server typically stands beside it’s paid members. I was told they don’t always agree with the DMCA either. that’s pretty much a joke because all you do is file a counter which makes gives you 10 days, or 30, can’t remember to file a law suit..if you don’t respond to the counter everything is released back as it was and you lose money for paying them to take the infringement down. I don’t have to remind you how expensive that would be over a few comments or a picture. tens of thousands in lawyer fee’s will eat you up in minutes after talking to them.
The email was sent on May 21. they don’t say how long they have been waiting nor did they respond back when I told them I had nothing to do with them or the book. I have no idea how they came to my site to log the complaint.
Top Ten Things That Robert M Blevins will do over the next two weeks.
10. Close his forum.
9. Continue to tell us how pissed off Gayla and Eagle Eye Watchdog Greg Google Boy Pagey Wagey are over what amounts to message board fodder.
8. Open his Forum.
7. Once and for all, quit posting on The Mountain News.
6. Close his Forum.
5. Once again, start posting on The Mountain News.
4. Once again, send Greg “ The Super Duper Watchdog Google Expert Extraordinaire” to spy on Shutters Forum, and will once again be surprised when no one gives a rats ass.
3. Open his Forum.
2. Quit posting on The Mountain News, but 2 hours later start posting on the Mountain News.
1. Not answer hypothetical questions because he “doesn’t do hypotheticals”, then proceed to tell Shutter how he would have reacted if the roles were “hypothetically” reversed in the Nicky situation.
and ” hypothetically ” my fault lol…
LOL u guys should sign up for California Psychics…make a few extra bucks on the side.
Me a member of the Cooper Forum? I wouldn’t post to that place if someone sent me a gold-edged invite.
AB Forum isn’t being closed. You were wrong on that one. It’s a completely private affair over there now. No more problems, and no one is talking about you there. I don’t allow it. Not because I’m worried about a shutdown. Because I don’t want to hear about it. 🙂
I already said I no longer care what you guys post over there. Said it three times now. Don’t flatter yourself. No one is ‘watching’ the site anymore and I haven’t been there in months.
Nicky B says:
“Ok I am no longer bothering with this thread it is just is simply a ring for two fighters rmb and shut. Hey shut least you can do is unban me, I need an outlet to talk cooper this is not cutting it since all the commentary on here is a war of word between you and blevins… bruce this has gone on long enough! Thanks, Nicky.”
Shutter 45 replies:
“I will take this into consideration and give you an answer tomorrow..please don’t let me down if I agree to reinstate you..I very rarely give second chances..”
Now I HAVE seen it all in Cooperland. Nicky misrepresents Shutter and says he was PAID by Shutter to join our forum under false pretenses to get us shut down…
Shutter bitches aplenty about all that, and gets angry at us for presenting the truth…
But because Nicky came after someone Shutter doesn’t like, he eventually folds and gives Nicky what he was looking for in the first place…a reinstatement from banning. Nicky has admitted that was his motivation in the first place for misrepresenting Shutter.
This is a complete crash-and-burn on credibility for The DB Cooper Forum. There are no two ways about it. It does prove one thing, though. I have more character in my little finger than Shutter ever misplaced. Of this, I have no doubt.
This one has to go into the Cooperland book for sure. 🙂
The above is clearly a personal attack against me and my forum….
Character assassination
False conclusions
Shutter 45 says:
“The above is clearly a personal attack against me and my forum….
Character assassination
False conclusions…”
Robert says: Which part is false? The evidence is clear, and overwhelming. If there is any ‘character assassination’ here, it is strictly self-inflicted.
Well, everything was quiet for over a day. So Blevins had to fire a shot to get it started back up again. He can say what he wants, but he obviously lives for this shit.
You’re wrong, Parrot. I don’t ‘live’ for this stuff. But I have had to sit here and listen to being called a liar several times now on certain life events I know to be true. An unfortunate accident from 36 years ago. A stupid thing I did in the woods with a 22 a little less time ago. I figure Shutter backed off on what happened at Ozette Island because he thought the rangers at the station might remember. (They should, they searched the beaches far and wide for my lost stuff.)
I’m asking an important question about something that happened in the last few days. Something that definitely goes to credibility and character, from a person who has repeatedly come after me on this very issue…NICKY.
It’s a fair question, if there ever WAS one. Or like David Niven said to Irene Pappas in ‘The Guns of Navarone’:
“Come on, Maria. Wouldn’t you like to see those scars you’ve never seen…those terrible scars?”
Instead of answering, Shutter runs to Bruce for help. Personally, I am like Maria. I WOULD like an answer.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are we still investigating DB Cooper?
First of all, yes you are attacking my character…
second…where is Nicky, is he on my forum, do you know if he is or mot?
He made a fool out of you, not me..
you presented a false accusation son! you knew it was false and posted it as truth..
all you do is whine about me..even when something doesn’t even involve you…
stop whining about your stories or post some evidence…talk is cheap..
I haven’t even brought up some of these stories in years…you have issues Robert…go get the ranger…why would I back off from him saying something…
It’ very clear you are using this forum as a vehicle to instigate and dump gossip..you keep saying people have nerve to go off topic and that’s all you do..
Johnny says:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are we still investigating DB Cooper?
Nope, not as long as Mr. Blevins is here..this is the exact replica of the last year of the DZ..
I noticed that on the Wikipedia DB Cooper page, that it still said that Kenny Christiansen had paid cash for his house. I took the liberty of adding the following:
“Research by internet web sleuths would later uncover proof that Christiansen DID NOT pay cash for the house he bought after the hijacking, but instead had a mortgage on the house and took 17 years to pay it off. The same search would also uncover proof that Christiansen had sold off almost two dozen acres of land for $17,000 per acre in the mid 90’s, thus accounting for the large sum of money in his account at the time of his death.”
Wise or not, lots of folks get info from Wikipedia. I’ve made similar changes in the past only to have it deleted. We will see if it stays this time.
I think things have been changed in the past only ” to be changed back” again…
Thanks for fighting the good fight, Parrot. Even if the canard gets put back, we know who knows the truth.
“First of all, yes you are attacking my character…second…where is Nicky, is he on my forum, do you know if he is or mot? He made a fool out of you, not me..
you presented a false accusation son! you knew it was false and posted it as truth..”
The accusation was valid on its face. He used your name, your web address as references. I had no way to contact you. This makes it partly your fault the whole thing went public. I never said it was your fault. I said it was PARTLY your fault I had to go public, since you blocked all com with AB of Seattle. I also accepted your explanation based on your word alone, which proves I at least have some respect for you, and don’t spend all day (as you have done) calling me a liar. I know YOU. I do NOT know NIcky.
*If I knew whether or not Nicky had been allowed back on your website, something he was going for the whole time with his scam using your name, I would not have asked.* If you caved in for him, this does go to credibility on your part and proves those things I said back there in the other post.
Parrot: Wikipedia senior folk will probably re-edit your entry change on Christiansen, not me. You are a day late and a dollar short. I already changed the entry months ago after I wrote the WordPress on how Kenny actually acquired his house in Bonney Lake. They changed it back on me as well.
Bruce: As far as the truth on Kenny’s house purchase, that was answered pretty well over here:
Not like we try to hide the truth on our investigation into Kenny around here, folks. 🙂
Add On: As far as the money in Kenny’s account when he died, I never said it came from the hijacking. We knew about the land sale, too…and it would be foolish to think Kenny held the ransom money for twenty-plus years and then suddenly deposited it in the bank. I think someone would have noticed that. 🙂 The question is WHERE did the original money GO…and how was it either laundered or spent. We have some ideas on that, yes.
I have ALSO made some changes at Wiki regarding KC, although I left Parrot’s information alone. I added two links to the WordPress article. The story on HOW Kenny got the house is fairly complicated, and involves a mysterious promissory note, as well as the mortgage. And yes…I have done some research and a couple of interviews on that information.
Parrot, who would do such a thing as tamper with a DB Cooper site? Lol. Strange things do happen to all Cooper people. Shutter and Blevins have been hit especially hard.
“Parrot, who would do such a thing as tamper with a DB Cooper site? Lol. Strange things do happen to all Cooper people. Shutter and Blevins have been hit especially hard.”
Meh. People change stuff around at Wiki all the time. And it IS true that if you are heavily involved in the Cooper case, such as Shutter with his website, and yours truly with the investigation and the upcoming film, that occasionally….Cooper Nuts do emerge from the woodwork. I just found it hard to believe that Shutter would allow Nicky back at Cooper Heaven after what he did.
Tell you one thing. If someone had used MY name and MY website link to do what Nicky did, they would be Persona Non Grata for life. I certainly wouldn’t REWARD them for doing that LOL. 🙂
There is one additional point here. Nicky was also BANNED from Cooper Heaven orignally. So my question to Shutter about him was all that more relevant. Truth is, even though Shutter strongly hints he might let him back, it’s hard to believe he would actually do such a thing. However, Shutter also dodged the question, which I thought (considering the circumstances and the chaos that went on for weeks about Nicky) was kind of strange.
Brother…I sure ain’t that desperate for membership to a forum. No way. 🙂
Blow up of suspect Reca shows he appears to have BLUE eyes. Not only do they have the jet going EAST instead of SOUTH, they forgot about the placard, the Tina Bar money, and SAGE radar LOL.
Whatever…. 🙂
more things out of context…
Consideration mean “strongly hints” something? it’s really none of your business either way.
I’ll say it for 10th time..Nicky played a joke on you..yes, he used my name..no it wasn’t right.
you posted it as factual vs saying “is this true”
February 2014, you joined under a false name (joke, cause trouble etc) similar to what Nicky did. it appears it’s was okay for you, but not Nicky..both were wrong and yet you feel what Nicky did is the end of the world…he punked you…should Nicky whine about it for the next 5 years?
you have closed and opened a site multiple times during the start of this and the other thread..you post all this garbage here tying up the thread stopping it’s purpose. now you have yet another forum and still post things you “wouldn’t dare” post on your own site. this is fair to Bruce because?
you are so obsessed that you asked to be banned once and then asked me to blackmail Bruce into banning you, not to mention the 10 times you stated you were no longer going to post here? you have hijacked these threads..period..even when the subject changes, you pop on and reverse right back to the drama. you knock others for multiple postings?
Got Milk?
Can I take your tirade there as a ‘Yes’ to you actually allowed Nicky, a guy you originally banned…back on your website after he punked your name and web address…just to get the AB Forum shut down? (As well as causing boatloads of trouble and many posts about it, many by you with complaints, etc.)
You haven’t actually answered that yet, although you dance around it pretty well.
If you indeed did that…you no longer have any credibility in my book. Zero, zip, nada…and all your complaining about me making his actions public are without substance.
I will make it easy for you. Just check the proper response and cease on the dancing:
Yes __
No___
In my opinion, Nicky hasn’t done anything that is unforgivable. It’s an Internet forum. I’m in favor of giving him another chance. But, it’s not my decision. Lots to be considered I guess, the least of which is Blevins opinion on ones credibility. That is laughable.
Also Blevins, I fail to see why Shutter owes you any kind of explanation on anything regarding his forum. Which, you are not a member and never ever ever ever ever ever visit.
Appreciate that parrot!
I read Bruce Smith’s mountain News and live here in the Rainier area. While I enjoy reading about the DB Cooper case, I’m getting tired of this non stop “inner warfare,” between fighting factions. It confuses the case.
Imagine how I feel, Marlene! I have to read every post to check for excessive nastiness.
Welcome to the MN. What do you think of the new DB Cooper suspect, Walter Reca?
Hi Bruce. I met you at WA History Museum. I don’t think the new suspect is even close. Too many others look far more favorable in my opinion. I don’t want top come down too hard on Mr. Blevins because he lives in our area. But he needs to be more open minded.
Marlene.
Robert, the decision is not your business..He didn’t punk me, he used my name to punk you…you have nothing to do with my forum and you have no right to continue to use this forum to use it like you own it and continue to dump off topic rants here..
I had NOTHING to do with what Nicky did..I’ve told you this a hundred times. what I decide to do is NO concern of yours…you will not run me, do you understand!!! it’s none of your business..do you follow…none, zip, nada…got it?
it’s not your decision to tell people who is in and who is out on sites you are not connected too, or sites you are banned from…does Nicky need a hall pass? you sound like some 10 year old child..
stop using this thread to continue to go off topic…several people have already complained…you just don’t stop..you have an obsession you can’t shake..
Shutter any verdict on my possible provisional reinstatement?
Nicky says:
“Shutter any verdict on my possible provisional reinstatement?”
Well, I would say it’s a done deal. Obviously, Shutter doesn’t care if you pose as him, use his name, his web address and all, simply to attack others. Ha. I HAVE seen it all now in Cooperland for SURE. 🙂
Shutter: You do as you wish. But not one more complaint from you about making Nicky’s actions public. Not ONE. Not even a thought about it. Upon reinstating Nicky, you automatically give up the right to do that.
Now that we have settled all that, I think we can move on from this subject. Just hard for me to believe you would bypass having someone do that to you. I may have been right about you, after all. You really DON’T care what someone does, no matter how nasty, as long as they do it to someone you don’t like. Even if they lie about representing you. Even if it is someone you previously banned.
There are no two ways about it. This is laughable. But yes, it is your decision.
Another true-life story I related at Quora dot com today. Don’t forget to say I lied about the whole thing. (*smiles*)
Face it, folks. I’ve had a most interesting life. You have to give me that much. And you don’t know the half of it. I should sell my life story for a movie, rather than doing our investigation into DB Cooper. I think it’s actually a better sell. Yes, I am currently working on my autobiography and I’m going to shop that around with a script behind it, just to see what happens.
Latest Cooper-related stuff. A trailer is being produced, I heard. Word came to me last week via email. The Quora article is below on the ‘other thing’.
https://www.quora.com/What-do-car-salespeople-do-if-their-test-driver-is-driving-crazy/answer/Robert-Blevins-2?__nsrc__=4&__snid3__=2601454571
Robert, stop telling me what to do…and stop assuming what you are uninformed about. I’ll talk about what Nicky did to you anytime I wish and I will also tell how you produced it as truth vs a joke. you have made a mountain out of a mole hill..it wasn’t even a public issue to boot. he got you good, so good it’s tearing you apart to where you think you decide what the conclusion is lol…
No one is telling you what to do. That would be pointless. It was a question. There are literally HUNDREDS of posts here on this issue.
When you say, ‘he got you good,’ are you referring to the AB Forum shutdown, or the fact that he fooled me when he joined the forum?
Hell, wasn’t MY name he used to do that, or MY website as a reference. And didn’t you ban him previously?
Don’t be defensive. It’s a legit question.
go to bed Robert…I wake up and there you are 🙂
For those who have trouble weeding through Roberts Drama..it appears a poster by the name of Nicky told Robert I paid him to to spy on his forum lol..then he assumed Nicky was a lawyer so Robert adds more to the story of telling people I hired a lawyer..instead of asking if any truth is in the emails he starts posting it as truth because he was blocked on emails from me..I didn’t realize this gives you a free pass to make the story appear truthful …
Now, since the truth came out about the whole thing Nicky asked me if I would allow him back on my forum since he can’t post anything Cooper related here while Blevins ties up the threads as he is well known for in the past. I told Nicky I would take his reinstatement into consideration and Mr. Blevins comes completely unhinged stating I already decided or already reinstated him..Robert seems to be a helicopter poster for DB Cooper sites lol..telling people what they can or can not do on forums he has nothing to do with..after all, he uses this forum like it’s his by constantly posting off topic rants..
I haven’t given an answer yet due to a heavy work load and personal issues that have come up over the last week or so..dealing with Cooper and people obsessed over things are not at the top of my list at any given time. Mr. Blevins will have to remain in the hotbox wondering every minute what the verdict will be..this is bigger than the OJ trial it appears 🙂 people must be on the edges of there seat wondering, assuming, anticipating the outcome, possibly losing sleep lol. Dos Equis wants to buy the rights to make a commercial “The Most Interesting Story In The World” 🙂
sadly, this is not really a public issue and the issue will be handled in private and certainly not on this thread. it doesn’t belong here, nor does the hundred other things brought up by Mr. Blevins..a possible press conference is be considered though..
A press conference? Look…I don’t really care if you allow Nicky back on board if you want to do that. You already banned him once. Then he goes and causes trouble for us, using YOUR name, YOUR web address as references. That is what Fred Meyers would call Simple Truth. And yes, he WAS representing himself as a lawyer for a while over at Facebook. Now that reference is gone.
I solved this problem with him by making the new AB Forum a completely private thing, closing my Facebook page to anyone but Friends, and moving on. I am very happy with the results.
Maybe you should let him back on board. He’s never getting a membership at our forum ever again, LOL. I don’t let people do to me as he did to you and give them second chances. Nicky already caused trouble for everyone, yet you blame it all on me. Wasn’t ME who did what he did. That was a complete surprise.
Go ahead and give him what he wants. Let him be YOUR problem. Again. 🙂
You know, Shutter…I took your word over Nicky’s about this whole situation. I want you to remember that.
You are full of doo doo robert….I have never represented myself as a lawyer and never has my facebook profile said as such. IF you list a job on your facebook profile it will show up as a previous one you can’t remove it from the job history so if I ever listed my professions as a lawyer it would show up under my work history!
Edit: It IS true I teased you a bit when I heard you were actually considering reinstatement for him. I mean…I just couldn’t believe it to tell you the truth. It seemed funny, and sort of bizarre somehow.
I’ve changed my position on this issue. I say go ahead and let him back on board. I thought about it for a while and decided it was better if he became your problem once again. Who knows? He might even clean up his act and be a solid contributor. You have to admit that anyone reasonable would have some objections to the the little game he played on both of us. But if you give him a platform again, maybe he will lay off the bad stuff.
I mean…it’s not like he’s ever seeing the AB Forum ever again. Not a chance over here. You are his only shot. Besides, if he gets out of line, you could ban him again anyway. And he might even surprise you and shape up.
I am the only cooper investigator under 30…..I am here to carry the torch so to speak…when you guys are deal and gone I will be here to carry on the legacy of everyone’s works and keep cooper alive, if I don’t solve it before then!
I don’t care if you approve or not..you still don’t see what you did and it doesn’t matter anyway..take the drama somewhere else Robert…it’s ridiculous to keep tying up this thread..
It’s none of your business, it has nothing to do with you…what he did was outside the perimeter of my forum..I don’t look at registrations like a job application. he used my name, big deal..Parrot doesn’t seem to mind his return so I’ll ask a few others…the decision will not be based on your opinion…it will not be announced here either..it doesn’t belong here…..I have reinstated several in the past, Nicky wouldn’t be the first..remember, you don’t care what goes on there..so keep it that way..try doing something you say your going to do for once…
how much of a problem has Nicky been here, none that I see…
“how much of a problem has Nicky been here, none that I see…”
Oh, pullleeeze…his actions were the cause of hundreds of negative and angry postings to both THIS thread and the PREVIOUS one. Are you kidding me or what?
My opinion, even if you don’t care to hear it, is SIMPLE. Take him back. Let him be YOUR problem. At least he will stay busy over there and out of my business. Outside of your site you say? You banned him previously, remember? Then he comes HERE and admits what he did was to ingratiate himself to you, (for coming after OUR site, successfully I might add) and you say he isn’t a problem child. Try dealing with a bit of reality, at least. He threw a ruckus into Cooperland that has lasted for weeks, using YOUR name, YOUR website address, and saying YOU hired him.
Now I want to be fair here. None of this was your fault, although you made the situation worse when you blocked all communication with Adventure Books staff. We had no way to verify his story and his claims with you because of that. This is one good reason why I took off the email blocks on both you and Bruce, although the one on Nicky is permanent. I think everyone, and that includes YOU…learned a good lesson here. It’s better sometimes not to do that. Not like I email you much, you know…and that would be on an emergency basis only…for example…
The next time someone comes at me and claims to represent you. I’m going to check on that…PRIVATELY.
I don’t care what you decide on Nicky. As far as I’m concerned, this whole matter is closed. I agree that everyone should move on. I’m even considering deleting the WordPress article I wrote about this situation, i.e. ‘Fear and Loathing in Cooperland’. Why feed the troll, right? Nicky probably got a big kick out of it, I’m sure. 🙂
UPDATE: I have taken down the WordPress article. Mostly done to keep the peace. It is not deleted, but is now only visible to me.
Links from Facebook via my personal page, AB of Seattle Facebook, DB Cooper FB, etc. are removed. I should get busy on the article regarding the parachutes Cooper used.
Maybe to end all this fighting and endless drama, Blevins and Shutter should be able to post something “nice” about each other, on the other’s Cooper site. Now THAT would be something.
Maybe to end all this fighting and endless drama, Blevins and Shutter should be able to post something “nice” about each other, on the other’s Cooper site. Now THAT would be something.
Hey Bruce, I have a suggestion- Is it possible to limit how often a person can post here In a day? Things tend to get lost here.
It’s possible, but it’s not a task that I am committed to at this point. My job is to maintain legal and ethical standards. One of the skills I had to develop when I was hot and heavy researching the case was learning how to skim Jo Weber’s posts at the DZ. An expansion of that capacity is realizing that RMB is a crazy motherfucker who will never change. Clearly, others are on their learning curve regarding this dynamic.
“An expansion of that capacity is realizing that RMB is a crazy motherfucker who will never change…”
Excuse me for living, but I’m actually a fairly ordinary sort and according to most of the folks I deal with in real life, a reasonably nice person. You really have no cause to post something that insulting. As far as ‘change,’ what exactly did you have in mind? 🙂
Blevins pasted: “An expansion of that capacity is realizing that RMB is a crazy motherfucker who will never change…”
Quote: Excuse me for living, but I’m actually a fairly ordinary sort and according to most of the folks I deal with in real life, a reasonably nice person. You really have no cause to post something that insulting. As far as ‘change,’ what exactly did you have in mind? 🙂 :Unquote.
I’ve come to realize that given enough rope, Blevins will hang himself. As far as credibility goes, Blevins has already hung himself many times over now. His overall behavior is practically identical to that of the RDI/”Ramsey’s did it” trolls in the Ramsey case. I think that on one hand he’s crazy, but on the other hand he has an agenda. The main difference between him and most RDI trolls, is that he apparently uses his own actual name….which is crazy. It’s especially crazy when you consider that Blevin could very well be buying himself into some serious legal scrutiny.
My dearest Robert:
As for characterizing you as a crazy motherfucker, and addressing the following: “You really have no cause to post something that insulting,” here is my cause:
1. You annoy the shit out of me.
2. I consider you a very dangerous man.
3. I don’t trust you in the least.
4. I don’t think you are in firmly in control of your emotions and behaviors.
5. We have years of history where you have persistently threatened me with law suits and bodily harm.
6. You lie like a sonovabitch.
7. Your book stinks.
8. You tried to mind-fuck me for months over the 15 grand and the movie deal.
9. You can’t stop baiting Shutter
‘Nough said?
ahhhhmmm. Bruce, you broke your own golden rule about namecalling. “crazy motherfucker???”
lol. Even Blevins doesn’t use that word. Apology to Blevins????
Apology to RMB? Hmmmm. Unlikely.
If RMB is not a crazy motherfucker, then how would you describe him?
Glad you finally put that lying SOB in his place bruce he is truly the black hole in the cooper vortex!
“My dearest Robert:
As for characterizing you as a crazy motherfucker, and addressing the following: “You really have no cause to post something that insulting,” here is my cause:
1. You annoy the shit out of me.
Robert says: That is a personal problem, and yours alone.
2. I consider you a very dangerous man.
Robert says: My cat is more dangerous than I could possibly ever be. You only met me once, and I thought we got on fairly well. It’s been forty years since the last time I took a swing at someone, and that was in self defense.
3. I don’t trust you in the least.
Robert says: You should. I’m the only one who gives it to you straight. Everyone else just back slaps you and tells you what you want to hear.
4. I don’t think you are in firmly in control of your emotions and behaviors.
Robert says: My emotions are fine. My behaviors are normal. And no one except you and a couple of people who have never met me say things like that.
5. We have years of history where you have persistently threatened me with law suits and bodily harm.
Robert says: I don’t recall threatening ANYBODY with bodily harm, and internet lawsuits are pointless. I did put a watch on you for the 2011 Auburn Ave Theater event, but that was because within hours of posting info on the event at Dropzone, someone called in a death threat. I thought maybe it was you, since you were only thirty miles away and a regular at DZ. Once i met you at Ariel, I knew you weren’t the guy who did it.
6. You lie like a sonovabitch.
Robert says: Be more specific or put a sock in it.
7. Your book stinks.
Robert says: That’s a review. Your review is accepted.
8. You tried to mind-fuck me for months over the 15 grand and the movie deal.
Robert says: That statement is complete baloney. I made legitimate offers. I knew you could probably use the money. And they asked me to make the offer. You kept saying you wanted the producers to contact you directly. I told you they wouldn’t do that until you had seen the contract, or at least agreed you would come on board to assist with the script. You barely answered the emails, usually with a one-liner. So you were bypassed. Your loss.
9. You can’t stop baiting Shutter.
Robert says: I don’t bait him. I just don’t take stuff lying down.
‘Nough said?
Let the Games Begin!
Or not. Goodnight, Robert.
LMAO 🙂 🙂 🙂
LMFAO 2
This is funnier: I decided to have the ZX car towed to my place today, since the weather seems stable enough to work on it. We have the laptop going in the garage while we work on it, because the FSM (factory service manual) is loaded onto the computer. So I click on MN and let Gayla look at Bruce’s remarks. We got a big laugh out of that and went back to work.
On June 15, I will be making a special announcement through the AB main site. Frankly, if you don’t like me right now, you REALLY won’t believe this one. (*insert evil laugh here*) I would most enjoy rubbing it in your ungrateful faces, but there’s a chance you could screw things up for us if I tell you early, so I can’t. June 15th, that’s the day. Stay tuned. I can give you a hint, though. It has NOTHING to do with the upcoming Cooper picture, but the subject of the announcement is very familiar to all of you. And you will certainly go through the roof, but you won’t be able to stop it. You might not even want to.
Look…I don’t want to engage in name-calling, but the general opinion around here is you guys are as dumb as a box of rocks for not coming aboard for the movie. Not so much about the money, but more like…the biggest website on DB Cooper really should not have allowed itself to be left out in the cold regarding the first-ever feature film on the hijacking. Come on. It was sub-intelligent, and based on emotion, rather than common sense. If you had been reasonable, you would know what WE know right now regarding innocence or guilt with KC and Geestman…and that is a lot more than you know NOW. 🙂
No one feels sorry for you guys at all. I tried to work with some of you for almost a year before giving up.
EXTENDED…LMAO
KLANSNIC UPDATE: Found out an interesting bit of information on klansnic….I spoke to the grandson of his best friend Jim Shorkey of over 50 years, his name is Drew…I did not tell him I believe his granpas best friend is Dan Cooper instead I said I was working on a book about america’s greatest generation. He is a very nice guy… a marine who is actually a recreational skydiver and base jumper,,,He remembers klansnic well… he told me how he use to go crabbing with him up in whidbey island when he was a youngster and how Jim would teach him all the cool stuff,(Jim is was his friends call him) he said most adults did not go out of there way to teach kids cool things but klansnic did. He also told me a story about how Jim saved his parents wedding and the last bit of information he gave me was the most interesting to me by far, he said that klansnic was a test pilot for Boeing back in the day now we know he was an engineer with the company for 37 years but this is the first I am hearing of him being a test pilot. Drew gave me his grandfathers number and said he is the one to speak too If I’d like to learn more about klansic. I plan on giving him a call soon things are getting very interesting in the klansnic camp, stay tuned folks!
“I did not tell him I believe his granpas best friend is Dan Cooper instead I said I was working on a book about america’s greatest generation…”
Good tactic to use. When I interviewed Geestman, I told him I was doing a biography on Kenny Christiansen. Sometimes it’s not good to tell people right away you are working on the Cooper case. It puts them on the defensive, and they are not as free with you on details, or even the truth sometimes.
Why thank you Robert….my thinking exactly, I plan on using the same story when I call his grandpa!
Robert it’s not to late to save your movie bud, let’s give them klansnic a viable suspect and call it a day…his story is much more interesting then kenny’s anyway shot down fighter pilot in ww2, jumped out the bobay shaft in hprrible conditions and hid from the germans for 2 days before being captured just think of what a great opening scene that would be sir, we could win an oscar blevins I’m not kidding! it’s time you come to your senses about kenny, if you ever do and wan’t to make this thing happen I’ll be all ears RMB….heck maybe you can even publish my book!
Was up early this morning with much to do…and saw your comment.
I couldn’t stop the movie even if I wanted to. I no longer have any control over that, since I signed a contract and accepted not just one, but two option payments. The only right I have is some amount of control over the final script. Otherwise, it is out of my hands now.
You can publish your book via Amazon Kindle for free, though. All you need is to register, provide a responsible SSN or Federal Tax ID number, and the routing number to a bank account. A Word document, properly formatted to work in the Magic Kindle Converter, will work for the interior of the book. You can create a front and back cover image easily.
Amazon has free downloads of documents showing you how to properly format a Word doc so it will work for a Kindle book. If you need an editor, there is a page at the main AB site that talks about that. I do this about six times a year for outside authors. Used to do this a lot more, but I’ve cut back over the last few years.
Good info, I think I will go that route thanks Robert!
I don’t mean to butt into you fellows internet warefare, however it just seems to me that Robert Blevins is always getting ganged up on. Isn’t this called, “bullying?” But the man always bounces back and gets up on his feet. Just an observation. I know your wars have been going on for years, but Blevins hasn’t gone away, and he probably wont. I don’t think you can keep him down.
Very true, Marlene. RMB is a force of nature.
BTW: How come your email address is inoperative? I’ve tried to email you twice and they bounced back. Wassup?
Bruce, I am looking for a co-author for my book and you are at the top of my list. You are also best person I can think of to interview shorkey. If you are interested shoot me an email and we can further this dialogue.
Thanks,
Nicky
Thank you for the honor, Nicky, but I must pass. I am busy on a book of my personal stories, and developing my storytelling career.
I understand Bruce and I look forward to your future projects!
“I don’t mean to butt into you fellows internet warefare, however it just seems to me that Robert Blevins is always getting ganged up on. Isn’t this called, “bullying?” But the man always bounces back and gets up on his feet. Just an observation. I know your wars have been going on for years, but Blevins hasn’t gone away, and he probably wont. I don’t think you can keep him down…”
I don’t hate any of the folks who you say ‘gang up’ on me. I just want to say that first. What can you do to put someone down who has already faced the worst a few times already? This stuff, this ‘war’ as people call it sometimes, is nothing. I once got washed out into the Pacific Ocean for nearly four days, without food or water, in a leaky rubber boat. Another time I got snowed in for almost a month northwest of Snoqualmie Pass because I too dumb to tell anyone where I was going or for how long LOL. Another time I had to face down a charging bear some other hunter had wounded, with nothing more than a Belgian Browning 22 auto. Taking the entire Wonderland Trail around Mount Rainier at age 13 with my crippled stepbrother, Larry. (He died in 2016) It’s been interesting to say the least. Those things I will always remember. Cooper Crap I will be more than happy to forget, and 80% of the memories will be bad, the rest good.
The truth is…either they will make the Cooper movie or they won’t. I think they will or they will be out scores of copies of my book, as well as the $5,000 they already paid me. If they don’t start First Day of Production Shooting (a more or less legal term) by January 23 or so, they owe even more. But frankly, I am pretty bored with Cooper and fed up with internet crap. They could cancel the whole thing tomorrow and I would be only slightly disappointed. I don’t need the money. My mom set aside a trust fund for me long ago that equals ten times what I get if they actually MAKE the film. It’s never been about the money. It’s always been about the question. ‘Did he do it, or didn’t he?’ Only Geestman and his family know for sure. 🙂
The Cooper Vortex is real. Extricating myself from it will be the happiest thing I’ve ever done. It isn’t fun anymore. It isn’t even that interesting. It’s just drudgery.
Mr. Smith, I prefer to post incognito for security reasons. Sorry for that confusion. But as a woman, I just think that the men in here could post up some better manners and be a bit more respectful to Robert Blevins. He is human.
Marlene – if that’s who you are – how long have you followed the Cooper case? And have you ever looked real deep into the things that Robert tries to pass off as fact? The truth is that when it comes to credibility in the Cooper case, he has none. When I see bullshit, I’ll call bullshit. It’s nothing personal with him. Maybe he’s a nice guy, maybe he’s an ass. I don’t know which and I don’t care unless he moves next door to me. But in either case, I’ll call a spade a spade. And his Kenny story is complete bullshit. If that makes me short on manners, then I’m cool with that.
Ah, Ms. Marlene, I do have the ultimate respect for Robert. That is why I consider him dangerous. Hence, I don’t just call him crazy. To me that would be clinically inaccurate and ultimately disrespectful. Therefore, I call him a crazy motherfucker. I consider that a more satisfactory, and certainly a more comprehensive description of his considerable persona.
Perhaps if – and when – he crawls up your ass as frequently and as FAR as he has mine, you might have a different perspective of The Blev.
Parrothead Vol says in part: “And his Kenny story is complete bullshit…”
Really? This comes to me from the same person who posted a deliberate LIE just the other day to Wikipedia in the Cooper case. That’s right, Parrot. I let it sit there, but you sais Kenny used a mortgage to pay off his house in Bonney Lake. In fact, you and some of your cohorts have made a big deal about that.
Did you compare the amount of the mortgage to the price of the home itself? I’ve reminded several of you a few times that number doesn’t add up. It only accounts for HALF the price of the home. Where do you suppose Kenny obtained the other half?
The evidence against Christiansen is not bullshit. Except for a couple of reletively minor errors, it’s well-presented and accurate.
Let me quote someone else for you. Special Agent Fred Gutt out of the Seattle FBI office, via his phone call to our office and the email that followed…and this was BEFORE they received that 54-page report on Kenny. From the email itself:
“Dear Mr. Blevins: Your assumption that Kenny Christiansen has been eliminated as a suspect in the DB Cooper hijacking is wrong. He has not eliminated. Some in this (Seattle) office think he’s a good suspect. Others believe there are better suspects…”
You also make a big deal about Agent Larry Carr’s dismissal of Christiansen in 2008 as a suspect. That dismissal was based on one thing alone: The October 2007 article by Geoff Gray. Our investigation was still more than a year into the future. Why do you think some in the FBI changed their minds later, after we sent them some early reports on our investigation? Agent Gutt’s assessment came in 2011.
The truth is that none of you in Cooper Heaven can stand the idea of being bypassed, even after your negativity, your name-calling, all that effort you expended on me for all those years. I also believe most of you live for the discussion itself, and the actual SOLVING of the case is something you can’t stomach, especially when it comes from me and the AB staff.
I say this: We let the public decide. Tell you one thing for sure. Any movie about KC and Geestman will certainly force the final truth about them out of the woodwork, not your opinion, not the opinions of a few people over at Cooper Heaven, or even me for that matter. I think you guys are afraid I might be right. 🙂
“Ah, Ms. Marlene, I do have the ultimate respect for Robert. That is why I consider him dangerous. Hence, I don’t just call him crazy. To me that would be clinically inaccurate and ultimately disrespectful. Therefore, I call him a crazy motherfucker. I consider that a more satisfactory, and certainly a more comprehensive description of his considerable persona.
Perhaps if – and when – he crawls up your ass as frequently and as FAR as he has mine, you might have a different perspective of The Blev.”
Whatever. And that’s not my name. You only met me once and that was six years ago for a few minutes. What you don’t know about me would fill a Russian novel.
All I’ve ever done is try and include you in anything we were doing that was Cooper-related. All you ever responded with was no. That is not my fault, That was your decision. I didn’t ‘crawl up your ass,’ by the way. I offered you a lucrative (and fairly easy) job reviewing maybe 20-30 pages of a screenplay for historical accuracy, the part between when Cooper boards and when he jumps…in exchange for a one-time $15,000 payment, and a co-producer credit in the picture with the name of your book under the credit. That work would have taken you a few hours, at most.
Only someone REALLY foolish would turn such an offer down, or make it difficult to close the deal, and then jump all over the person who made the offer. And before you tell your friends that you would only deal with the producers directly, they should also know the producers put me in charge of making the offer. They would only have spoken to you once you signed the contract. You weren’t even sharp enough to ask to see it. That would have told you who they were. 🙂
Stop getting mad at me and accept the decision you made was yours. Stop blaming the messenger.
Robert, nothing I said on Wiki was a lie. Kenny had a mortgage and took years to pay it off. That is a true statement. What about the other half? I don’t know. But here’s the difference between you and me: you look at that other half and say that because you don’t have the details, then it is suspicious. I say bullshit. I don’t assume anything is suspicious. If I see something suspicious, then fine. But just because we don’t know what kind of arrangement was made on the other half does not make it suspicious by default. And before you say it, I don’t give a shit what the sellers kid said. He wasn’t there and has not a f’n clue how his dad handled the sale of the house. You always assume the missing parts are the parts that show Kenys guilt. That’s why your Kenny story is complete bullshit.
The truth is that none of you in Cooper Heaven can stand the idea of being bypassed, even after your negativity, your name-calling
How about YOU stop lying? it’s my understanding everyone refused to work with you or the film. you even tried for over a year, remember? to be “bypassed” would imply zero chance of anything…this is called “lying”
Name calling? you mean like how members of your forum called Bruce a scumbag, or attacked peoples religious beliefs, or when you called us “sleezy lowlifes” I believe the “hundreds of negative “nasty” comments were found on the multiple forums you opened, including dozens of screenshots? this is called hypocrisy..
The mortgage remained with the house until it was COMPLETELY payed off. that means it wasn’t paid for in cash, YOU stated for years that it was paid for in cash (full) and didn’t have a drop of common sense while proudly posting the mortgage itself that should of easily tipped off you, Gayla, and Greg Page…that’s just plain funny right there… 🙂
The large amount of cash in his account before Kenny died? no, you didn’t say it was the money from the hijacking but made comments that is was close to the amount and it was “a mystery” as to how it was there..you loved to show the checks from the bank as proof. Kenny received 300 grand from property sold before he died…83 thousand is mysteriously missing if I was to write as you do?…. this occurs when you don’t fully investigate properly..
It’s funny how you claim to be a victim all the time while doing the very same things you are SO against. multiple people have called you deceptive, and multiple people have called you unbalanced in one way or the other.
Kenny doesn’t match ANY part of the description except the age..YOU claim the description is wrong due to stress but use it against other suspects?…Reca has blue eyes so you shoot him down. Rackstraw is in his late 20’s and you shoot him down. should Tom Colbert start posting all over the internet that you are negative and jealous of his suspect? why is it okay to use the description against others if it’s wrong. if the description is wrong,
The totality with Kenny as a suspect and the FBI is what we are talking about here..sure, agents can have opinions..it was on the FBI’s page itself saying he was eliminated, and several articles from agents stated the same. suspect 276 could also be a good suspect, just like suspect 573, 269, or 973 could all possibly be Cooper…
As the FBI once said about the Amboy Chute, we came to the conclusion we did by ‘a totality of the information’. As far as negative comments about others in Cooperland, if there were any…those people were banned from posting on any AB Forum, and their comments have been gone for a LONG time. Yours still exist to this day. We no longer care about that over here. You’ve already said you will post, and allow to BE posted…whatever you wish. That’s what you say today. We showed you your own post, a big ‘Final Notice’ you did four years ago telling people to stop it. Not only do they not listen to you, but you participate in the same stuff yourself, even today. Meanwhile, anything and everything you objected to at any version of the AB Forum is now GONE. People will post up stuff. You can’t stop that. You CAN correct it. We did. You have not.
Do YOU believe Reca was the hijacker? Blue eyes on him was just a single point. I wrote him off, just as you did, the moment the authors of that book started claiming the jet was headed for Spokane instead of Portland, which is patently ridiculous. As far as Rackstraw goes, that was a witch hunt. At least we were discrete when questioning witnesses, not chasing them around with a camera for national television…and yes…I think being 29 years old at the time of the crime is a solid disqualifier.
The way we finally broke through the case was a mistake by Bernie Geestman. He never should have lied to Marisa Kagan at History Channel, and he never should have agreed to appear on the Decoded show and let his family catch him lying during his appearance. That was a BIG mistake on his part, but he was worried and attempting to do damage control. After that point, much of our investigation into KC and Geestman went underground, and not everything was released to the public. We did release ONE thing, and that was the claim by his own niece about the nature of the bomb used by the hijacker. Everything else we kept quiet.
Look…no one says you have to agree that KC and Geestman might be the perps. If I were in your shoes, I probably wouldn’t do so, either. You don’t have all the evidence because we put a freeze on everything new regarding those two. Nothing new has come out from us since probably November of 2016. After the movie guys came along, I agreed they would have sole and exclusive access to everything we had up to that point, and beyond. So it isn’t fair for me to expect you to jump on board the Kenny and Bernie Express. I think it would be weird if you did.
What I object to are ongoing attacks against me personally in some twisted effort to make me appear as crazy, or demented, or a pathological liar. You’ve called me a liar on things I made public years before I ever heard of Kenny Christiansen. You (and some of your friends) continue to do that right up to the present day. I have some objections on that. And it isn’t working anyway. Frankly, it makes you look childish sometimes.
Your opinion, MY opinion, the opinions of ANYONE in the Cooper case will not decide for certain whether Kenny was the hijacker and Geestman his accomplice. I think the best shot on that is the movie. Whatever else you can say about it, one thing’s for sure: It will definitely bring the truth on those two into the open…one way or another. We’re pretty sure we’re right on them, but not absolutely certain. The movie will force certain things into the public eye, one of them being the testimony about Special Agent John Jarvis, who allegedly claimed that the FBI dropped the case because Cooper was dead and they found out it was Christiansen. THAT will be presented in the movie, no doubt of it. I discussed this with the producers and because of witness Troy Bentz’ extensive communications with Adventure Books on this evidence, we all feel we’re on solid ground presenting it publicly.
It’s a wait-and-see thing I think with Christiansen and Geestman.
Parrothead Vol: There ARE some suspicious items regarding the house purchase by Kenny. First…Geestman lied about knowing anything about the sale. On the other hand, we know he was Best Man at the seller’s wedding, and Helen Jones claimed that Geestman definitely was involved in the sale somehow. Why would Geestman lie about that? When I did the interview with the seller’s son, he DID verify two things for sure. He knew there was a promissory note involved, and he said his father would not have waited long to get his money. Why doesn’t this note appear in the official records on the house? It should have. Someone, someHOW…came up with a lot of money to pay off the other half of the home.
Helen Jones has never lied to me. Geestman has lied to everyone who ever questioned him about the Cooper case, or Kenny Christiansen. We know for sure he was with Kenny the week of the hijacking. That has definitely been verified by several different witnesses, including members of Geestman’s own family. So….why did Geestman tell the cast of Decoded that Kenny could be the hijacker? The best reason is because at that time…Geestman was not aware that several people had already put him with Kenny for the entire week the hijacking occurred, so he thought he could point to Kenny without pointing to himself. He should have offered up an alibi for Kenny instead. Geestman also lied when he said he didn’t know anything about the $5,000 Kenny loaned his (Geestman’s) sister, when he was the one who approached Kenny about the money, and delivered it to his sister as well. As you know, after a while we started calling Geestman ‘Pinnochio’.
This was a missed opportunity on our part. (Geestman pointing to Kenny as possibly being Cooper) Because the cast of Decoded, and the director of the show, (it is unscripted) were not told about Geestman’s whereabouts. I was not present during his questioning because the show sent me off to Twisp, WA to do a final interview with his ex-wife Margie. It was also at that interview where Margie admits she lied about pointing to others as the hijacker instead of Christiansen…and admits it was Christiansen who went missing with her husband that particular week. I should have been in the background during the show, telling the director that Geestman needed to be challenged when he said Kenny could be the hijacker. They didn’t do that, because they didn’t know what I now knew about that situation. They were only in Bonney Lake for filming maybe three or four days. I went on and did my bit, and then sped off to Twisp as they asked me to. They interviewed Geestman just as I returned. Bad timing all around.
I don’t want to clog this comment page, but let me say one small thing: The Christiansen story is NOT ‘a bullshit story’. It may be right or wrong, but it is certainly not ‘bullshit’. We have a huge cabinet here in the office at Adventure Books. It is packed full with the results of our investigation. We did not just make it all up, or rub a magic lamp and make it appear. It is the result of years of difficult work, which took us down a lot of back alleys. And like any investigation into this Cooper hijacking, we got it wrong occasionally. But in the end, we believe we waded through all that and got to the truth.
But the investigation itself, taken as a whole, is certainly NOT ‘bullshit’. 🙂
according to your logic Cooper’s eye’s could be pink..you claim “stress” faults the description. so, naturally, one can no longer use the description against anything..if you disagree it could only mean you have set your own rules with the description. if you claim Cooper could be 5′ 8″ then why can’t he be 5′ 5″ or 6′ 7″?????? could he weigh 275 lbs?
Rackstraw and McCoy both look older than there age..with the logic above you can’t disqualify them since “stress” was involved. Tina was the same height as Kenny but you constantly dodge that issue..how did she “look up at Cooper” if it was Kenny? all the witnesses, including the stews don’t know the difference between olive skin and a suntan? Kenny has never been seen by the witnesses on television? I believe Mitchell said no to Weber and Kenny..
Agent Carr makes the following statements…this is a longtime veteran of law enforcement..
He is 5’10 to 6’1 (Mucklow is 5’8 and spent 5 hours with Cooper, she would know if he was her height or taller. Have someone 5’8 stand next to someone 6 feet, the difference is obvious. Better yet, position yourself at a level of 5’8 and look at someone at a 6′ elevation. Now spend 5 hours with that person, you’ll know the difference. No one put Cooper under 5’10.
He had olive skin (no make-up, neither Mucklow, Schaffner or Hancock made comment on make-up which would have been very obvious. Again, do the math, put dark makeup on someone then sit next to them with your shoulders touching, you can see the make-up.)
These are the facts on his physical make-up, if your suspect does not match these you may want to start looking at someone else.
Most important:
No matter how much someone wants to put DB Cooper’s height at 5’8″ will never change the fact he was reported to be 6′. You can certainly say it’s so but you have to have articulable fact to support the dismissal of the witnesses credibility. But if you discredit the witness on one piece of her statement you may have to discredit all, you can’t have it both ways.
Under the “trust no I-witness” philosophy, there is no base of fact to go from, maybe he was actually a she? Where do you stop? there has to be a baseline of fact, you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect.
The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can’t throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.
Why no love for klansnic then shut??? olive skin (coworkers called him agent orange), 5’10, age is spot on with first report close to 50….knew the plane inside and out…had a reason to use the alias dan cooper..Idolized james bond .has the turkey gobble….has the nice personality described by stewardesses…dead ringer for the sketch…there is a picture of him standing underneath the very plane wearing what looks to the very tie booked in evidence….already survived a similar jump in ww2…was a smoker and a drinker….WA native…had grudge – sst project….environment matches tie particles…parachute he chose lines up as well as well as his hair part in the fbi sketch. his brother had access to so much land in the pnw via his employer it’s not even funny not to mention flares were reported dropped from a low flying plane in his brothers hood of cottage grove oregon. Again guys I say why no love?
You want to rely solely on the eyewitness descriptions of the hijacker, given by people who were already tired after a long flight and an exhausting and stressful ordeal in Seattle? Fine. You go with that. Witness Robert Gregory was asked by the Feds how tall Cooper was. He said:
“Not that tall. About five foot nine…”
If Christiansen was indeed Cooper, he was not ‘pasty’ in appearance as you have said. I have dozens of original photos of Kenny taken over a period of years. Some are color, some are black and white. He was, as he claimed in his famous letter after one trip to Japan, well-tanned from hanging out on the beaches during layovers.
We have been around on this point many times. You think the sketch and the description are completely accurate. I have presented evidence casting doubt on that idea. Such as the detectives of the Green River Killer Task Force failing to recognize Gary Ridgway as their man, even while he sat there being interviewed in their offices…with his sketch and description plastered all over their walls. They finally got him on DNA evidence years later. Eyewitness descriptions are notoriously inaccurate, and in the case of Cooper, all three stewardesses gave different descriptions of the hijacker. The witnesses differed on their descriptions as well. Only Flo Schaffner has ever voiced an opinion on a specific person…and it was Christiansen. She said, as you probably know, that his likeness to Cooper was the best she had ever seen.
The case against KC relies very little on the accounts of the eyewitnesses, and much more on actual witness testimony and available evidence. But in the end, it was Geestman himself, as well as his family, who helped put it over the top for us. If they finally shoot the movie, then you will see why. If they decide NOT to do the movie, then I will release an updated report on Christiansen and Geestman, and include everything we know up to the present day.
We have been around on this point many times. You think the sketch and the description are completely accurate.
I have NEVER claimed that..stop putting words into peoples mouths Robert…
I have note many times that the description would be more accurate than the sketch..it’s not a photo. the green river case is not the Cooper case..descriptions can catch a criminal, sketches can catch criminals, and both can do the same..
you fail to see that you claim the description is off and yet use the description on other suspects..
The witness you are talking about is Gregory..he looked at Cooper twice (not standing) and also states Mexican-American or American Indian…care to imply this on Kenny since you cherry pick the description?
Gregory’s description
Race Caucasian, believed to be of Mexican-American decent, with possibly American Indian blood.
Age: about 35 (closer to late 20’s no?)
Complexion: swarthy
Hair jet black, wavy, marcelled, greasy patent leather sheen combed back at a slight part on left.
combed close to the head, slightly receding in front..
The passengers had no reason to recall him so the descriptions differ..
Is this Kenny with a toupee on?
It’s obvious we will never agree on anything, so I don’t know why you keep going on with all this. Eye color and age are the usual parameters I first use if I’m going to voice an opinion on a suspect based strictly on the descriptions. These are firmer points than ‘marcelled’ hair or whether someone’s hair appeared dyed or something.
* I ACCEPT the idea FULLY that you do NOT believe Christiansen was Cooper. I understand that. I get it, etc. You are entitled to that opinion, and I seriously do NOT have a problem with it. *
On the other hand, you have not convinced me that we’re wrong about Christiansen and Geestman. You can make wholesale declarations like Parrot did, ‘The KC story is bullshit’. Fine. Or you can say to the whole world, or whoever will listen, that he isn’t Da Guy. You have that right.
This does not mean it is so, or that you ARE right. Even I’m not silly to wholesale declare that Kenny did it, although over the last year and a half I’m leaning much more that way than I ever did before.
It isn’t even fair for me to discuss KC publicly anymore unless it’s an article on a specific point, because I can’t tell you…or the public…everything we know NOW. I am bound by that pesky confidentiality agreement I signed with the film companies.
Your opinions, and the opinions of some of your forum members I don’t take seriously. How can I? You are not objective. You have personal issues with me. I have seen the many posts, and I have the nasty emails to prove it. The public, and the people who know me personally have no such issues. I also believe that since you and yours invested so much negativity against me personally, that this clouds your judgment. You are no longer objective when it comes to judging whether or not KC was the guy, because you let personal issues get in the way. I am not the only one who has seen this. Others have seen it too.
Just wait for the movie please. If they cancel the film, I will release everything for you…then you can decide based on the full information. This argument is going nowhere. 🙂
Robert, stop talking about everyone else when ONE person is commenting..I’m not parrot, or anyone else other than myself..
I don’t need anything released to me..you are cherry picking the description, plain and simple..
The movie?
they can’t cancel, remember? it’s a “historical fact, daily updates” movie trailer coming soon etc. etc.
it doesn’t matter what you rely on..it’s what I see and why I have opinions..just like you do with any other suspect..you have to go by known facts..you are adding theoretical facts by going against the evidence..
It isn’t fair to discuss Kenny publicly? that’s a bunch of crap dude..why are you here?
Mr. Blevins…..when exactly will your movie be out? Who will play the role of DB Cooper? What is your role in the movie production? Is Bruce Smith in the movie too? Thanks.
Marlene.
Marlene asks:
“Mr. Blevins…..when exactly will your movie be out? Who will play the role of DB Cooper? What is your role in the movie production? Is Bruce Smith in the movie too?”
I don’t know when the movie will be out, because they haven’t started shooting it yet, although a couple of weeks back they told me they were working on a trailer and something called a sizzle reel. They said the sizzle reel is mostly for in-house viewing by cast, crew, and producers to give a general idea on how they want the picture to go. They are interviewing people for different roles, yes. My only role in the production is some approval on actual content of the shooting script. Mostly I will be looking to see if it’s accurate.
I try not to bug them too much, although I shoot them an email once a month and they are used to that. When they start what’s called ‘first day of production shooting,’ then it will move from planning to reality. It’s also a legal term that says we receive our full payment for the rights to the KC story on that day.
It can only go two ways here. Either they will start shooting, and make the announcement on a couple of websites and elsewhere…or they will cancel the film. I don’t think they will cancel because they have already spent a fair amount of money, and not all of it was on me. Bruce Smith declined an offer to work on the script.
To Shutter: What I meant about fairness on discussions regarding KC is that I will respond to questions if I can…but since I can’t tell you everything we know, it isn’t fair for ME to just post up all the time on my own about him. I try to leave all that over at the Cooper WordPress site.
I never asked for anything to be answered Robert…I was pointing out the fact of you cherry picking the description and using the description to eliminate other suspects..Gregory gives an age of 35 which is a lot closer to your buddy Rackstraw and McCoy…
you stated in the past that you were getting updates daily..now it’s you emailing monthly..and lets not forget it’s a “historical fact” so it’s odd you would even suggest it possibly being cancelled.
a sizzle reel is marketing tool..scripts are given to potential actors to read and decide if they want to be part of the film..same for movie trailers…they use parts/scenes from the actual production to market the film…
Well, sure. I was getting updates daily for a long time. But I signed the original option in January 2017. I finally told them I would just check in on progress once in a while. Yes…I know what a sizzle reel is, and how they are using it.
Don’t twist my words around please. I said publicly a while ago that the production company had decided to present Kenny and Bernie not as a guess on being the perps in the Cooper case, but as a matter of historical fact. This was THEIR decision, not mine. It was based on the evidence they have now, plus the research they did on that evidence, some of which is being withheld from the public for the film. If you are asking about specifics on the trailer, that I do not know. I did not hear they had moved into actually shooting it yet, and you are right…they can’t have reached that stage since First Day PS has not been started yet. Probably just at the storyboard stage I would imagine. They HAVE told me things are moving pretty quickly now, and they are making attempts to cast the picture and recruit the right screenwriter. I guess I should check in more than I do now, but frankly I would rather just wait for them to give me the word. Gayla doesn’t care. She says: “Just tell me when they actually start.” She’s not very interested in Cooper, I can tell you that. Too much baloney involved in Cooperland. 🙂 Any updates of real substance I wouldn’t post here anyway. That is restricted to either the main AB site, or the private AB forum. And we’re pretty selective on membership. Anyone we can’t completely trust, or do not know…is turned down for membership. Easier for me, and doesn’t cause further controversy. Once an announcement is made on the movie that is SOLID, then I MAY open the site to the public, but not before that time.
Guilty people have gone free and innocent people convicted based on eyewitness testimony and descriptions. And the Cooper case is nowhere near normal. The case against Christiansen relies only ‘some’ on witness descriptions. Personally, I trust the evidence more than descriptions from a few passengers and some frightened stews. I don’t totally discount them, of course. If Christiansen had blue eyes and stood five feet four, I wouldn’t even have bothered investigating him. But he’s close enough to the description to make you wonder.
Explain to me why you deserve the slightest bit of consideration from Adventure Books? Because you have the biggest website on Cooper? That might count if you and yours were involved in the picture. Because you supported our efforts with the restoration of the Ariel Store, the biggest Cooper-related place in Washington state? No again. You said you would support it if WE were not involved, even though ‘we’…as it turns out…were Bryan and the store’s best chance. Because you have the slightest bit of respect for us? Again, no. Your nasty emails, your little dancing icon ‘Suspect’ page, your constant coming after us online proves otherwise. We, on the other hand, tried to back out of the nasty stuff, while you continue with it for YEARS now. Other than Georger, who makes fun of practically everything and anything AB-related, you have shown us that you are not deserving of any professional respect. You call me a liar, even on things you have no knowledge about. Your website is slanted, and goes out of its way to discredit us, even to a degree that is unusual. When we started ‘talking back’ by quoting over things you said there, you responded by trying to have us shut down.
The only time we really deserved all that was when we published Georger’s phone number after he said some pretty nasty stuff about us that wasn’t true in the first place.
Try to understand something here. This is not just ME noticing these things. Like I said, others have as well. You made that bed, not me. Who knows? Maybe I just made the whole thing up about the movie just to play a game on you. You never know… 🙂
“Who knows? Maybe I just made the whole thing up about the movie just to play a game on you. You never know…” 🙂
Actually, I didn’t. But I’m surprised you haven’t accused of that one yet. In order to GET respect, Shutter…you have to GIVE it as well.
I don’t need to get respect from anyone Robert..I’m simply pointing out things..you don’t like it, I can’t help you there either..you say a lot of things..questions or concerns follow..it is what it is..
I never stated you made “the whole thing up” you change things often..it was recent you said they were contacting you “almost daily” so I simply replied to that statement, just as I do with other things you state..you might like it better where everyone agree’s with you where you try and control what is said but that won’t happen here..I believe the term is “challenge” and it has nothing to do with “hatred” if I told you I hit the lottery yesterday for 20 million dollars I’m sure you would like some sort of proof to backup my statement..that’s how it works…
you have left this thread and the other 10 times, you have told us no further updates etc. etc. you use childish tactics like “you don’t know me or even met me” but proceed to give your thoughts and feeling you believe I have as if you know me or have met me? it’s just a never ending circle round and round…
I would be more convinced of your sincerity on these things…
Except for you demanding me to ‘prove’ events from my life that happened many years ago…
The fact that hundreds of posts and whole sections of your own website contain either slanted or insulting material with my name attached…
If you stated you won the lottery, I wouldn’t demand proof. I would wait for you to post the pictures of your new car and house…
No, I don’t know you personally. The only time I ever really ‘went personal’ on you was when I saw those posts you did about the motorcycle accident. I thought you should have been more sympathetic to the family of the guy who got killed riding on the BACK of the motorcycle your friend irresponsibly drove…that got BOTH of them killed.
I thought sympathy for the guy on the back who put his life into your friend’s hands should have been the focus of your posts. Your friend not only ended his own life, but an innocent guy who trusted him. The REAL victim. You barely mentioned him.
I purchased Geoff Gray’s book several years ago and it had a lot in it about the Drop Zone and the characters who post on that internet site. Will your movie have a subplot about Shutter’s Cooper site? How about Bruce Smith’s Cooper site? Maybe your production group should contact Shutter and Bruce? Might be a more interesting movie.
“I purchased Geoff Gray’s book several years ago and it had a lot in it about the Drop Zone and the characters who post on that internet site. Will your movie have a subplot about Shutter’s Cooper site? How about Bruce Smith’s Cooper site? Maybe your production group should contact Shutter and Bruce? Might be a more interesting movie…”
I’m allowed to say THIS much about the movie:
It’s basically the life story of Kenny Christiansen, told in flashbacks while leading up to the hijacking in bits and pieces. This is done to show motivation on why Kenny *allegedly* decided to hijack 305. Anything else about it is only posted to the AB Forum, or you can email me privately. Shutter and Bruce already refused any participation in the movie. The producers know this, and basically don’t care. I won’t tell you what they said. It’s a dead subject.
My apologies, Marlene. But since you choose to post anonymously, you are treated like anyone else who does that. I only answer serious questions by email, from people who actually HAVE an identity. Try to understand my position here. As I’ve said before about anonymous posters…you could be some fourth-grader from Kankakee, IL for all I know. Anonymity comes with certain restrictions. I appreciate your positive comments, but you could be anyone. I have to deal with you on that basis. My name up there you see…it actually LEADS somewhere. 🙂
Sincerely, Robert
Robert, what the hell are you talking about with my friend who was riding alone on a bike? you can’t even get the story right trying to insult me about it..can you please direct me to the point where I wasn’t sympathetic to his family?
you seem to be well informed about it. after all, you claim two people were involved.
taking a shot about a friend of almost 40 years that died is about as low as you can go Robert. why would you even say anything negative about something so personal? do you know what I’ve done for the family, can you tell us the last contact I’ve had with them?
I lost my dog I’ve had for over a decade..would you like to respond with some sort of nasty comment like you have said about Chuck and his family, perhaps it was my fault the dog died?
perhaps you could write a WordPress article about how awful I’ve been to friends I’ve lost over the years?
Real class act pal…
don’t respond to this Robert. it should of never been brought up in the first place…
Wow, the always uninformed Robert Blevins hits a new all time low.
Two things here. First, I hope that Bruce does not remove the comments that Blevins made about Shutters friend Chuck. I would like them to stay put so that anyone that happens along this thread can see them and see truly what a lowlife this guy is.
Second, and this is just my opinion but I’m sure others share it, I think the time has come for Bruce to end Blevins posting privileges at TMN. Again, not my call but that’s my 2 cents.
As for me, I will continue to debunk all of the lies, misinformation and assumptions that I possibly can when it comes to Kenny Christiansen. But I am done talking directly to and responding to Blevins. He isn’t worthy of my time.
When I said lowlife, I was not speaking of Shutters friend Chuck. I should have worded it a little better. Obviously it’s Blevins that has earned the title of lowlife.
no worries…you would never post something offensive like that…about anyone…
“taking a shot about a friend of almost 40 years that died is about as low as you can go Robert. why would you even say anything negative about something so personal?”
I want you to think about Greg now….MY friend for almost 40 years as well. You made a science out of talking negative about HIM, sir.
As far as posting here, I can take it or leave it, and Bruce can do as he wishes. The gang at Cooper Heaven are the most profound phonies in history. Debunk away, if you can. Few are listening to you anymore except in your own, closed little group. 🙂
I don’t give a shit what you think about Greg..IS HE DEAD? Greg is too much of a P***y to stand up for himself…what are the horrible things said about him? apples and oranges Robert..
You put Greg and Gayla into this…Chuck has nothing to do with any of this and you have no right to bring it up..especially, since you don’t even know what your talking about..I asked you on the other thread when will you be attacking my family and friends and sure enough you pick on someone who died recently…you are very, very lucky you live 3,000 miles away buddy…you DON’T WANT TO MET ME SON!!!
I attack things you post on a COOPER threads…you attack me personally with an offensive comment about how I treated his family, are you serious? how much more childish can you get Robert, really?
I guess you missed the 3 months I spent on two Facebook pages revolving around Chuck, and the page header I made in his honor for the family to post, or the video I made for them, or the picture frame?
September 25, 2017
I was touched by Chucks mother asking me if she could continue talking to me since I was so close with him she wanted to hear things about him to help her through these troubled times. I was honored she chose me..I’m sure she has asked others..but none the less it feels good to give comfort to someone in need…
“closed little group” ??? what do you have, a huge open forum with hundreds of members?
several weeks after Chuck died my buddy next door died of liver cancer..do you need his name for more insults about the dead? he was a friend of over 10 years..you should be able to post something nasty about it..perhaps he didn’t get checked out soon enough, or didn’t care..you know how to make it sound bad, right?
my dog of over 10 years died 6 months prior to Chuck…it’s not a human but you should be able to easily insult me on that?
My father died in 2015…don’t leave him out in the cold..you could do serious damage there buddy? perhaps blast him for bringing me into this world?
how far off topic can you go dude?
Shutter: Believe me, I didn’t enjoy posting that stuff. I got no joy out of it. But now you know how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. It was my unhappy duty to review over 150 full-page screenshots taken from your website…spanning a period of about four years….chock full of nasty comments and insults with my name, Gayla’s name etc attached. And then have to answer questions from Greg and Gayla on why I shouldn’t allow Greg to send in a complaint to your server.
There are also the emails from you…nasty stuff…from your gloating to me about Trump’s election to the ‘screw you Blevins’ messages. Mostly I do not go personal on people in the Cooper case. I guess I finally decided to give you back what you and yours have been giving me for years.
I didn’t enjoy doing it. But now you get an idea on what I’m talking about. Maybe you’ll stop doing that.
I don’t give a crap what you think Robert..don’t try and justify it with anything. you can compare a damn thing to the nasty comment you made son..I have just as many screenshots, quotes of you and members of your (forums) saying nasty things…NONE speak about DEAD friends..you are completely out of line..
You need to move on Robert..this is not the place for you to continue to dump your garbage. you have slowly increased with the insults that now attack friends that have nothing to do with the Cooper case. you are UNSTABLE and don’t belong here..you need help..this is a drug for you, an addiction. you have crossed the line of disrespecting this thread and EVERYONE on it with nasty comments like you posted. you constantly lie telling people how easy it is to leave and yet, here you are personally attacking me and people around me..you want to compare this with what, Georger calling you names?
Gayla, and Greg are spineless, or don’t have a clue what you are doing..my girlfriend/wife would jump right on your shit..you play little phony proxy games..tell both of them to talk to me if they wish to spout off bullshit..it’s a cop out that so many decide not to speak out..tells me it’s BS.
I can’t understand for the life of me why Bruce allows this to continue..even with complaints…
“I don’t want to clog this comment page, but let me say one small thing”
That’s the funnest thing I have ever heard coming out of your mouth..
You are the pot calling the kettle black. There were a FEW bad comments made about you at one format of the AB Forum or another. I banned or refused new membership to everyone who made those comments. And they no longer exist on the internet anyway. I even spent hours editing a Cooper video just to remove the mean comments about your website.
You, on the other hand, made it into a science, complete with Special Suspect Page, and nasty emails to us GALORE. Don’t preach to me until you clean up your own house, which stinks to high heaven of vitriol and hatred. You aren’t even smart enough to know when people ARE playing you fair, and some of that is because you, (some) of your members, and your site itself has a definite agenda going.
People have seen that. Not just me. Even some of your own members, who have contacted me privately about it. Yet you have the absolute NERVE…the absolute GALL…to claim you are squeaky clean. I will definitely call BS on that. What happened to your ‘Final Notice’ from years ago? You didn’t enforce it, in fact, YOU returned to the same behavior, the same postings, and continue all that to the present day. This has been going on for years. YOU ARE A PHONY…no two ways about it.
You don’t even have the sense God gave a goose, and when to realize it’s better to look at the bigger picture, instead of dedicating much of a website you worked on for years into something better than a host for hatred.
As Lily Tomlin once said:
“And that’s the truth…” 🙂
There was a reason DBCooper signed his name “DAN COOPER” on the plane ticket. James Klansnic is the only suspect who was a shot down pilot just like DAN COOPER in the comics. Klansnic is the only suspect who spoke one of the 2 languages that the comic was originally written in…
I might be wrong, but I think the comics were released in Belgian and French.
They are the same language, Belgian and French. Dan Cooper was neither. He was a Canadian test pilot in those comics. Only one edition showed him with a parachute.
I’ve always had my doubts about the comic reference. ‘Dan Cooper’ is such a common name. If the comic character had a more unique name, the connection would be much more believable. Like the Tina Bar money question, it asks more than it provides. I just don’t know if there is a connection to the Cooper case.
One of my fondest possessions is a hardback copy of Dan Cooper comics, signed by the cast of the Decoded show. It was a gift from the producers of the show. I turned down their offer of $2,500 to appear on the show, and I guess it was their way of thanking me…plus they wanted to include the comic on the show.
Frankly, it’s just too bad they sent me off to Twisp, WA to do that last interview with Margie Geestman at the same time they were planning to put her ex-husband on camera. If I had known he was going to point to Kenny as the hijacker on the show, I would have challenged that statement and gotten word to the cast that several people, including some of his own family members, had said he was WITH Kenny the entire week of the hijacking. I always saw this as a really big missed opportunity to pin his ass down. That’s why Geestman’s family came forward to us later. They saw the show, too…and knew something was up with ‘Uncle Bernie’.
Some months after the show aired for the first time in January 2011, the cast was sent our preliminary report on KC and Geestman, i.e. what we had up to that point. Both Scott Rolle and Buddy Levy changed their minds on whether Geestman was involved, and said so to me in emails. You can see these emails on request, and here and there…people HAVE requested and I have provided the emails to them. Some time later, cast member Christine McKinley said the same thing.
Correction: It may have been an offer of $5,000 to appear, not $2,500. Truth is, I can’t remember. It was one or the other, but I do remember turning it down. Back in those days, I was trying to show people I wasn’t investigating the Cooper case just to make a buck. Between the costs of the investigation, and the money I turned down from ‘Adrenaline Hunter’ and book edits I had to no more time to do because I was always traveling weekends… it cost us a total of around $13,000 and AB of Seattle nearly went broke. Would I do all that again? Not a chance in hell. 🙂
But Robert, you criticized Bruce for turning down some money.
So Blevins admits that he knew that there was no one else on the motorcycle when he posted that there was. Personally, I don’t believe that. But regardless, either he did know and he posted it knowing it wasn’t true OR he’s didn’t know and he’s saying he did. My point is that if he knew, then he knowingly lied. If he didn’t know, then he’s lying when he said he did.
If anyone ever needed proof that Robert Blevins is a liar, there it is. The thing about liars is, they lie. There are plenty of lies when it comes to Kenny Christiansen. I used to wonder where the lies came from. Not any more.
Posting the picture of Chuck was a trashy classless thing to do.
Gentlemen, and whatever ladies might be present: We are done here. Certainly with the back-stabbing and poor behavior. Dozens of recent posts have been erased by yours truly, especially concerning dead friends. If the crapola continues I will scrub the entire column.
This is your one and only warning. No reprieves whatsoever.
Come on gentleman, let’s clean it up. This is a good site and Bruce has graciously allowed us to post and vent. More DBC posting, please, and less volcanic venting. Let’s not ruin a forum where we are allowed to exchange ideas.
Well…now you know why I made the new version of the AB Forum a members-only place, and screen all comments to our YouTube videos and WordPress articles before allowing them to appear.
I’m actually glad that Bruce took down some of the comments. It was getting out of hand. Two things happened this week. First, I actually made something up (and brashly for sure) to take a dig at someone else. And second, now I know how it feels to hang out down in the Cooperland gutter. I actually felt a bit guilty about it. 🙂
On the subject of how KC managed to obtain his house, I still think we hit the nail on the head…although at first we did get it dead wrong when we said that he paid cash for it. When I interviewed the son of the original owners, (Joe and Ann Grimes) the conversation went on for about an hour. But the key parts sort of went like this: (paraphrased from my notes)
Robert: “Have you heard the name Bernie Geestman? He was the Best Man at your folks’ wedding.”
Dennis Grimes: “Yes, I have heard of him. Don’t know much about him, though.”
Robert: “What about the sale of the house to Kenny Christiansen?”
Dennis: “I don’t know much about that. There was a promissory note involved.”
Robert: “Well, at first we thought Kenny paid cash for the house. Now we believe he financed half of the house with a mortgage, and the other half with either cash, or like you say, a promissory note.”
Dennis: “If you say so. I heard there was a note on some of it. But I don’t know the arrangements or anything.”
Robert: “The price of the home was about $15,000 total, possibly more that had to do with an adjoining lot. If there WAS a note on the other half, this $7,500, do you think your dad would have waited 19 years to get his money?”
Dennis: “What do you mean by nineteen years? I don’t understand.”
Robert: “That’s how long Kenny took to pay off the half of the house he financed through a mortgage. About nineteen years. So do you think your dad would have waited that long to get his money?”
Dennis: “No way. My dad was a cash on the barrelhead kind of guy. Not a chance. He would have wanted payment pretty quick on something like that.”
Robert: “Are you sure?”
Dennis: “Absolutely.”
Based on the testimony of other witnesses, such as Helen Jones and Margie Geestman, we came to a set of conclusions on how exactly the house sale went down, and frankly it was genius on Kenny’s part, with a little help from his friend Bernie. We believe it went like this: (As described in detail in the WordPress article)
1) It’s been more than six months after the hijacking. Kenny allegedly has all this money stashed in a little apartment down in Sumner, WA. And although he may not have known it yet, according to the 2008 radio interview by agent Larry Carr, all banks and the Fed had given up their search for the bills. And by now, it is very possible Kenny laundered at least SOME of the money, maybe in Japan or Manila on layovers with Northwest. He wants a home.
2) Where to go for help? Why not Bernie Geestman, his accomplice and the go-between for Kenny when Kenny loaned Geestman’s sister $5,000. The money enabled the Geestman couple to rid themselves of Bernie’s sister and her four kids, who were all living under the same room with the Geestman couple.
3) Bernie, by chance, knows where there is a cute little house for sale right up in the area where Kenny wants to live…Bonney Lake…and the owners of the home just happen to be good friends with Bernie. In fact, Bernie served as the Best Man at their wedding. Their names are Ann and Joe Grimes.
4) Kenny is worried that he might not qualify for a $15,000 mortgage without a good down payment, though. And if he puts up a large chunk of cash to the bank to qualify…this could bring unwanted attention down on him from the FBI or the local cops. After all, it’s mid-1972 and the FBI is still hot on the trail of DB Cooper, and Christiansen is an employee of the airline. It could send up a red flag and have FBI agents knocking on his door. How does he get a house without putting up a lot of cash on it, and still qualify for a mortgage when he only makes $512 a month BEFORE taxes?
5) The answer is to fix it so the bank isn’t taking any real risk. You only ask them to finance HALF the price, with little or no down. But what about the OTHER half? This is where Bernie Geestman comes in.
6) Geestman approaches the Grimes couple. “I have a friend who works as a purser for Northwest Airlines. He makes really good money, but his credit’s a little shaky. But you can trust him. I’ve known him for almost twenty years. He says he can pay you off on half the house in just a couple of months and finance the rest through the bank.” As usual, Bernie lies and weasels here and there and convinces the Grimes couple that Kenny is good for the money. So…the Grimes couple and Kenny agree on the promissory note and everyone puts in the app for the mortgage. The bank, seeing no risk (50% of the value covered right away, so no-lose for them if there is a foreclosure later) go ahead and approve Kenny more in line with his actual income.
7) Kenny pays off the Grimes note in reletively short order and everyone is happy. In case the FBI ever comes knocking, Kenny can whip out his mortgage and show he is easily able to afford the house, which he makes payments on that stretch out for years. All this time, he never makes an effort to pay off the mortgage early, so he doesn’t have to explain how he managed to do that.
If you think about it…pure genius on everyone’s part. It really was. And the funny thing is that the original mortgage was written up by the same bank who paid off the hijacking ransom, (although I think it was taken over by another company later. I would have to look at my notes.) I wonder sometimes how many times Kenny got a big laugh out of that. 🙂
Correction: “The money enabled the Geestman couple to rid themselves of Bernie’s sister and her four kids, who were all living under the same ROOF with the Geestman couple…” (not ‘room’) At the time of the hijacking, some months prior, and for some months afterward, Bernie’s sister (witness Dawn Androsko) and her four kids were living with the Geestman couple in Bonney Lake.)
And you have zero evidence for any of that other than, “my dad was a cash on the barrel head type of guy”. Nothing, nada, zip. It’s just a bunch of made up bullshit.
The whole Kenny story started as fiction. Lyle made it up because he thought it would make a good movie. Then Blevins made up the part about Kenny paying cash for his house. It’s been pure fiction every step of the way.
Your opinions are noted. However, that’s pretty much how it will be presented in the picture. Whether you agree or not, that’s okay. We believe that is the most plausible scenario on how Kenny managed to get the house. We also don’t think he would have qualified anyway, using the general 36% income-to-debt ratio, (based on a gross of $512 a month) and it would be risky for him to put up a 10% down payment to qualify for a loan. (Even with THAT he probably didn’t qualify due to his low income.) What he and Bernie did was actually pretty smart, and kept Kenny under the radar. That’s why I called it genius. I plan an interview with other members of the Grimes family in August, one of THEM has all the family records I’m told, not their son. I know where this person is now, the one with the records. I’m hoping to see a copy of the original promissory note. The son told me this person almost certainly has it. I’m not going to reveal their identity publicly, but I recently got their contact information.
Truth is, if I weren’t so busy with the ZX car, my job, the movie stuff, and my weekend work with the senior lady, I would have done this already.
Aren’t you the one who posted to Wikipedia that Kenny used a mortgage to pay for the WHOLE house? We already know that’s not true. I left your entry alone. I figure it can stand until I get some better evidence from the other family member. If I obtain that, I will change your entry, but not until then…although what you said on Wiki isn’t exactly true…and you KNOW that. 🙂
who told you it’s risky to put a down payment that would be more than the minimum?
Well, if he puts down the absolute MINIMUM, he might not qualify for a mortgage on the balance, due to his low income. It makes perfect sense that he would seek another avenue. You have to put yourself in Kenny’s shoes for a moment. He’s exaggerated his actual income for years out of pride, (source: Helen Jones) and if he was Cooper you have to be careful. We already know for sure he loaned Geestman’s sister five thousand bucks only three months before he bought that house. This comes from several family members, including Dawn Androsko and her own kids, who got the benefit of that.
The Geestman family has been very cooperative. They know the movie is coming, and they are in the same mode as WE are. They are not looking for money. They just want the truth. Can’t say I blame them, and once Bernie went on Decoded and started bullshitting everyone, and they SAW all that on television…it pretty much opened a floodgate of cooperation. They approached ME, not the other way around.
As far as the Grimes family, etc I have to take credit for that. That part of the investigation I have to credit to you. Once you presented evidence that Kenny paid for only HALF the house on that mortgage…and it turned out we were wrong on the cash-only claim…I started to wonder how the OTHER half was done. That’s when I started looking at the Grimes couple to find out how.
Smokin99 gives a good explanation of this whole thing… Oct.2013
I don’t know – Blevins didn’t understand that the mortgage he kept saying was for the adjacent lot was actually for the property with the house and it seems that he still doesn’t get that in this case the 10.00 + is like a legal placeholder – it has nothing to do with the actual price of the property. Oh well. I’ve given up trying to tell some people on this forum anything because they are so much damn smarter than anyone else.
If you look at the warranty deed tax stamp, that will give you an idea of the price of the land. I do think it was sold for the 14,000-ish that was originally stated based on the amount of taxed paid and based on the fact we can guesstimate the tax rate in effect at the time from other documents. Why did the Grimes sell? Ummm… maybe to double their money, maybe they bought the property to turn it, maybe they bit off more than they could chew. There are several valid reasons for someone to mortgage their property right before selling – especially if they needed cash to make a down payment on another piece of property and they were not expecting a quick close. You would really have to know when they bought the property and did they buy anything else in order to be able to take a guess at their motivation. And it would still be a guess.
We also know, if I remember correctly, that the warranty deed referenced a mortgage (the one that was satisfied in the 90s), AND a promissory note. I’m pretty sure that the wording was AND but the documents are on another computer so I will have to waffle on this one for the moment.
Like I’ve said – it’s about the data. I plan to make sure that NPR knows that they need to do some serious fact checking if they are going to put this story out there again. As of the present time, there is no documentation of any cash payouts or loans that Gray, Blevins, and Porteus have written as fact. Not saying it’s not out there – just that no one has provided it to date. As a point of fact, the exact opposite of this has been determined by documents that we currently have — and some on this thread are in the process of ordering the rest of the documents. In addition, there is ample documentary evidence that there are other more likely explanations for Christiansen’s net worth at the time of his death than anything that was obtained from hijacking a plane. The value was likely from property that he bought in the 60s and sold a couple of years before his death for a huge profit.
Like it or not, these were primary aspects of the case for Christiansen and therefore the record needs to be set straight.
And I don’t need to email Geoffrey Gray with this because I have no doubt that he reads this forum. He’s hooked for life like the rest of us. And yes, if GG is a legitimate investigative reporter then he needs to come clean with his sources on what he alleges. This ain’t deep throat shit for crying out loud. It’s just a 40 year old mystery. No governments are gonna topple and no one’s gonna make a million dollars if they find the skeleton clutching the briefcase or otherwise solve the case. 2 weeks then it’s history. I believe that anything to do with DB Cooper is infinitely more valuable as long as the case remains unsolved. But that’s only an opinion based on my amateur study of the fickle nature of man and my opinion that the mystery of it is the allure for many of us.
Gray, Blevins, et al can either prove their stuff or they can’t. I don’t get the high-level, double secret, can’t enter without your decoder ring and knock-knock handshake bs that we have to go through whenever someone thinks they know something that no one else does. Funny creatures, us humans.
“Gray, Blevins, et al can either prove their stuff or they can’t. I don’t get the high-level, double secret, can’t enter without your decoder ring and knock-knock handshake bs that we have to go through whenever someone thinks they know something that no one else does…”
I can’t speak for the others you mentioned. I don’t think Gray reads this forum, either. He got out of the Cooper Vortex long ago. The difference between our investigation into Kenny, and just ordering docs and discussing it on the internet is simple.
*We actually hit the bricks and talked to people. Put them on the record. Recorded all that. Made notes, took pictures, sound-recorded the interviews occasionally.* All of this stuff went into one hell of a big set of drawers, and a few months back I went through everything and tried to organize it better, to give me a better picture on what happened. That has worked very well.
The problem is…at least publicly…that when we agreed to take the production company’s money, we ALSO agreed not to release anything beyond the Troy Bentz testimony until the movie comes out. That included anything that I didn’t release prior to January 2017. They don’t want all the facts we have out there before the movie comes, and since they are paying the bills, and have coughed up a fair amount to us since that date…and I signed that confidentiality agreement with them…I have to go by that agreement. The deal was….we send them EVERYTHING we have, or copies of it, and then put a freeze on any new release of information, even the stuff that I DIDN’T release PRIOR to the agreement. It’s a blanket sort of thing. I went along with that because…well…wouldn’t you do the same thing?
It’s complicated. Really it is. They want to do the picture, but they want a few surprises for the audience. I can’t blame them.
If you guys in Cooper Heaven wanted to know what we know now…then the simple truth is you should have worked with us when it was offered! Don’t you understand that? You would know what WE know NOW…as well as the names of the production companies involved.
But to be perfectly honest with you, I was actually relieved (later, not at first I’ll admit) when you guys rejected everything we proposed. I had my worries that word would get out on everything we had NOT released…and you would cause the whole project to get trashed. This confidentiality thing is a REALLY BIG DEAL with the production companies. The truth is, it’s probably better that you all wait for the movie, and then take your shots at it then. I have no problem with that idea. I’m sure many of you will. And I can’t blame you for that.
You see…at first I was really pissed when Cooper Heaven, and that includes Bruce, just said no to everything. Oh, yes. I was angry, no doubt of it.
But later….when I thought about it….I realized it was better that way. There is NO way you could have kept everything a secret. Word would have gotten out because too many people would know what we knew…and the producers would have said screw the whole thing. So it’s better this way. I have slowed down on the investigation, because we have pretty much everything we need now, although I do want to talk to the responsible family member of the Grimes family. Other stuff I already have.
I don’t know how to explain it any better than I have…
I do actually have higher thoughts than just DB Cooper sometimes. 🙂 Like why we’re here in the first place.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-we-on-this-planet/answer/Robert-Blevins-2
As smokin pointed out. you don’t need any secret society or pass codes to read and understand real estate records..the post was from 2013 and Gray was still very much involved and read the DZ.
nothing wrong with speculation as long as it’s written as speculation. it was amazing that he paid cash in full and was repeated for years….now we know that’s not true and yet it’s now genius he didn’t purchase the home in cash. (win win)
Kenny would have to be suspected of being Cooper for them to start checking his financial records. several documents in the 302’s do show that the employee’s were checked by the FBI, especially the flight crews in multiple states. sure, they could of over looked any given person working with NWO but “someone” kept repeating they never checked employee’s..
why in the world would someone trying to “keep a low profile” have a bunch of under age kids on the property that caused rumors to fly around the small little town. is that “genius” too? pretty stupid if you ask me..
this was a very small transaction on a very small old house. the mortgage/bank appears to have been satisfied that Kenny could make the payments after they reviewed his credit and current bills.
these are simple questions and challenges..no reason to bring up my forum or anything else to deflect from the current conversation…
Lie, Lie, Deflect, Rinse and Repeat.
Lie, Lie, Deflect, Rinse and Repeat. Exactly how Blevins operates! Never mind the FACT that none of the ransom money ever went back into circulation. Never mind the FACT that the composite of the UNSUB wasn’t accurate. Never mind the simple likelihood that Kenny C’s whereabouts could easily be established and verified. Never mind the FACT that mortgages are also given on properties according to their value and sell-ability. Never mind the FACT of Kenny’s long term work history. Never mind the FACT that the stewardesses said NO to the UNSUB being Kenny. Never mind the evidence and FACT that Blevins has proven over and over his propensity for lying repeatedly… over and over. If any prospective movie producers suddenly realized that Blevins is a habitual liar, that would probably have queered the deal right then and there. Rather than confront Blevins directly, they just string him along and leave him hanging….the same of which is very understandable….and very “reasonable” considering Blevins’ track record of lying, a record that Blevins established himself with his own actions! I’m not gonna call Blevins a bunch of dirty names, he’s already done exactly that to himself…over and over, and over.
‘sure, they could of over looked any given person working with NWO but “someone” kept repeating they never checked employee’s…’
This wasn’t my original idea. Can’t take credit for it. I came to the idea from the statements by Ralph Himmelsbach about that. He said they didn’t. I don’t have to quote him. I’m sure you’ve seen what he responded in Skyjack about all that. Geoff Gray asked him directly, and H was pretty firm on that point. Himmelsbach goes on about it, saying they (the FBI) got that suggestion that it was an inside job many times, from different sources, but just didn’t go there. (page 118, hardcover version)
If the FBI actually dug into employee files, they didn’t go very far with it, otherwise Himmelsbach probably would have said so. Himmelsbach even said it wouldn’t have occurred to him to consider any airline employee a suspect. I think everyone knows by now they focused on other types of folks. Airline employees, apparently, were pretty far down the food chain for suspects.
I will respond to some of Terry’s points:
“Never mind the FACT that none of the ransom money ever went back into circulation.”
Robert says: FBI agent Larry Carr has said in his radio interview (link at DB Cooper/Wikipedia) that the banks all gave up looking for the bills within three to six months.
“Never mind the FACT that the composite of the UNSUB wasn’t accurate.”
Robert says: You understand this actually favors Kenny as the hijacker? I think it’s a composite based on a lot of different descriptions of the hijacker. All three stews gave different combinations from the FBI’s Facial ID Catalog. Some of the passengers gave details that conflict with each other, as well.
“Never mind the simple likelihood that Kenny C’s whereabouts could easily be established and verified.”
Robert says: From friends and family witnesses, we DO know a lot about where KC was over the week of the hijacking, as well as Bernie Geestman. We know their first stop was a shop property down in Oakville, WA a day or two prior to the hijacking. After that….well, it isn’t like they advertised what they were doing there that week. Bernie’s wife went through the roof when she was told by her husband he was leaving, allegedly to go camping in that Airstream he had purchased some weeks prior to the hijacking. The usual Thanksgiving for that couple was dinner with Helen Jones’ family in Sumner. We DO know that Kenny told Jones he was considering flying back to Minnesota to see his family for Thanksgiving that year, but in fact he did not go. (testimony from Jones, family queried) We know Kenny admitted to Jones six weeks after the hijacking he was with Geestman over Thanksgiving. (Jones speaking to him at the Sumner Laundromat, January 1972.)
“Never mind the FACT that mortgages are also given on properties according to their value and sell-ability.”
Robert says: There are still unanswered questions regarding the house, and I am not a mortgage broker back in 1972. Such as HOW did the other half of the purchase price get paid. We are working on answering that.
“Never mind the FACT of Kenny’s long term work history.”
Robert says: Well, maybe he just got lucky and we know he was never identified as a suspect while he was alive. Witnesses have stated that he never wore his toupee again after the date of the hijacking, (Margie Geestman, Helen Jones) and that he changed his appearance somewhat after that time. (Helen Jones, some neighbors.)
“Never mind the FACT that the stewardesses said NO to the UNSUB being Kenny.”
Robert says: You’ll have to provide a quote on that claim. The only time we ever heard where Kenny’s picture was actually shown to a witness was when Gray showed stew Flo Schaffner his pictures. She said they were closest to any she had ever seen of the hijacker. Other than that, I have no knowledge of his picture actually being presented to witnesses. Saying they were is conjecture.
Blevins is ignorant and lying about how the Federal Reserve manages ALL of the currency it prints and issues. It is constantly in the process of destroying old notes and replacing them with new notes. Complete records of the date of printing, the serial numbers and Fed reserve bank of issue are kept. As the older notes come in and taken off of the list, that’s how they know that none of the notes were ever spent! Much the same way a checking account is managed. None of the notes in the ransom ever came back in, not a one of them! And, there were a lot of individual notes in that stash.
No one would have been able to spend a SUBSTANTIAL number of those $20 dollar bills and not get caught…period! That’s the joke, you stooge! It was a phony ransom demand, get it? Yes, even you “get it,” but apparently that won’t stop you and your false narrative!
The UNSUB clearly demonstrated advanced and above average thinking and planning, yet demands a shit load of $20 dollar bills? No way does that make sense! Our suspect loved to taunt the cops, apparently even Hoover wrongly figured that the bills would turn up sooner or later. I think even Hoover knew he got snookered via the Cooper caper.
The cash never turned up. So how could Kenny have been enriched by that same missing cash? No way did he get the loot…no way!
do you really really believe none of the witnesses have seen Kenny? did you see all the photo’s on the table in front of Tina with Tom Colbert’s show? Mitchell, I believe he said no to Weber and Kenny..you can contact Vicki, she has a good relationship with him…it’s a very simple way to have a witness…either say he was Cooper, or he wasn’t..one way or the other he will tell you… 🙂
I’ll message Vicki and see what she says about Mitchell..it’s the truth we are looking for, telling it straight, and getting it straight, right?
“do you really really believe none of the witnesses have seen Kenny? did you see all the photo’s on the table in front of Tina with Tom Colbert’s show?”
I will answer your second question first. NO. KC’s picture was NOT presented. I know this because I froze some images from the show and took a good look at them. Kenny’s picture was not in the photo array. Check for yourself, I did.
I don’t know if any of the other witnesses have seen Kenny. If so, there has been no official record of it that I can find. The only fact regarding Kenny and witness ID is the Flo Schaffner reference by Gray, and that is the best one so far. Mucklow, from what I heard, purposely refuses to view pictures. I had Mucklow’s sister warmed up to do the approach to her, with a comprehensive pic package and a cover letter…but after Bruce interviewed them (Dormuth family in Shelton, WA) and they saw what he published…they will no longer have anything to do with anyone regarding the Cooper case. I’ve suggested to Bruce to tone down his approach with these witnesses, since they are shaky enough as it is. But the truth is, when he interviews someone, that can often be the LAST time they ever allow an interview.
I have an exact opposite approach with witnesses. They don’t owe me a thing. It’s a privelege when they allow me to ask polite questions. I usually get a second, third, and tenth time at the trough if I want. Works very well. Sometimes people aren’t just going to tell you everything they know, or remember things for you…on the first go-around. That’s why the term ‘follow-up interview’ was invented. 🙂
I wanted to add something to the picture question. Like some of you, I was ALSO contacted by the producers of DB Cooper – Case Closed? They asked me to send stuff to them. Okay, fine. I sent them several high-quality pics of Kenny and the FBI report on him. (What we had at the time, anyway)
They wrote it all off and didn’t bother including Kenny in the photo array. They DID do a little tease thing for the previews. This shows they were focused on Rackstraw right from the start, and made sure Mucklow didn’t get presented any pics of Kenny. Then when Mucklow writes off their suspect, they suggest she’s too old, has forgotten anyway…etc. Why would they not show Mucklow pictures of Kenny? Simple answer. They probably knew about Schaffner’s sort-of ID of Christiansen, and they were worried that Mucklow might actually point to him. That’s what I think. Since they asked about Kenny specifically from Adventure Books staff, they also realized he was a suspect…and that made Kenny a danger to the whole show. And in the mode of poetic justice, they got what they deserved, which is often what happens when you try to present a slanted investigation on television. Ha…ha…ha by DB Cooper, more or less. 🙂
That’s why the show was a total zero, and was one of the worst TV shows ever done on the case.
You should ask me off the record, (privately, not publicly) what Billy Jensen (one of the investigators on the show) said about the whole thing. Will be happy to provide.
how can you say they made sure not to show any pictures of Kenny..pure BS..I will say even Tom Colbert didn’t know..I asked him a while back. none of us were there so none of us can give a factual answer..you thought the whole thing was going to be about Kenny..that’s how wrong you were..
Kenny was a danger to the whole show…that’s more BS…was LD or Peterson a danger to the show also?
How is it slanted to show a series about a suspect..is the movie going to be slanted doing the very samething?
you project your own beliefs onto a lot of things Robert..it’s ridiculous to believe they were so afraid of a suspect to form a conspiracy..everyone who doesn’t believe Kenny was Cooper is slanted in your eye’s..
Yes, I thought Kenny would be included in the show. They did some shots of him in the previews, so sure…it was a natural thought.
Are you saying that you believe the show was presented well, done fairly…without any bias involved? You merely asked if Kenny’s picture was presented in the photo array. It wasn’t. I looked.
I think you support the show and won’t talk frankly about it simply so Tom will respond to your emails. More phony? That’s a question. Here’s the answer:
State your HONEST view of the show PUBLICLY, right here, right now. Do you think it was a witch hunt? Do you believe it was done well? Is Rackstraw on your probable suspect list, now that you’ve seen all of Tom’s stuff, including the show? Be honest now. 🙂
I don’t waste my time BS’ing people along just to make contacts and friends. I look for the truth. And I called it just like I saw it about that show. It was a witch hunt from start to end, and never should have been made. Although Rackstraw certainly isn’t Mr. Perfect, he’s about as close to Cooper as Mickey Mouse. I came to this conclusion based on two sources. Watching the show, and then inquiring with Billy Jensen about the results.
Robert, Tom Colbert can make a much better case for Rackstaw being Cooper than you can for Kenny. BTW I don’t believe Rackstraw is Cooper.
Reviewing the article I linked above, I believe they didn’t even show Mucklow any picture except that of Rackstraw. That was exceptionally dumb, since that was the final interview she was ever going to give. Even if she ID’s Christiansen, they could have taken credit for that. But…that would have ruined the book they released the next day LOL. I think in the case of Mitchell, they put Rackstraw’s photo into an array that contained not a single other known Cooper suspect…but I will have to double check on that again.
The show was not surrounding known suspects..that’s not how it was produced…if it was produced to show all the known suspects and Kenny was missing then yes it would of been slanted..
If the movie is made about Kenny are they going to spend a lot of time on other suspects?
the idea behind a photo lineup is to have a series of 6 photo’s..one would be the suspects and 5 would look similar..you wouldn’t post other suspects as that would not be an accurate lineup..
Really? Not slanted show? That’s your opinion? The photo array shown to Mitchell contained TWO suspects. He ID’d McCoy right away, and did a don’t know on the others. In the case of Mucklow, they basically ran a video for her of Rackstraw and then showed her a picture. She said no as well.
No matter how you look at it…this was an extremely sub-intelligent approach. In both cases, they are trying to ‘herd’ the witnesses toward Rackstraw. Didn’t work, though.
In fact, when Mitchell says “That’s Richard McCoy,” he is, in effect, eliminating McCoy as the hijacker. The smart thing for them to do would have been to post up ALL the known suspects in a photo array and either confirm one of the major suspects…or eliminate them all once and for all.
You should have heard what Bill Jensen said about the whole thing. 🙂
Why was this program done in the way it was? Easy answer. Book release the next day. That’s why. Imagine what would have happened if both witnesses had pointed to Bobby Dayton’s picture, for example, and said, “Oh my God…that IS him!” They would have had to pull the book from Amazon before it even went on sale LOL.
It was a package deal, with the TV show no more than an attempt to force the book into bestseller status. At least with Adventure Books we put out the book first, and went on TV later about it. We didn’t USE a TV show as a bullshit vehicle for a book release. That show was more slanted than the pro-only ski run at Snoqualmie Pass. 🙂
no, means nothing with you people with suspects.
didn’t you just post saying pictures of other suspects should of been used?
are you also speaking for Tina and going say she didn’t watch the program that shows Kenny’s photo?
couldn’t I use your logic here…”we believe Tina without a doubt watched the show and quickly dismissed Kenny after seeing his photo”
STOP speaking or thinking for me…we slammed Tom hard while the show was airing so don’t put words into my mouth!
Robert, I can speak for you as well…
“Robert is clearing looking for a movie deal to cash in on..he always talks about how much money they gave him…money is the whole agenda at AB”
Tom Colbert knows exactly where I stand with Rackstraw…we have a mutual MATURE relationship with no problems at all..I consider him a friend. Rackstraw has also been dismissed, twice. that doesn’t mean we have to argue about it..he doesn’t go around trashing me, he accepts my opinion on Rackstraw with no remarks of being jealous, or hate mongering BS..he was slammed much harder than you have been..
regardless to his suspect Tom has done a lot for the community by getting thousands of files released for all to read..377 has the same opinion, even complimenting his lawyers..
Money is NOT the whole agenda at AB. I have turned down not one, but THREE different offers for either TV appearances or a movie deal. I finally accepted the fourth offer, but only because I got some script control in the contract. Otherwise it would have been no like the others.
I’m sure Tom C has done a lot of good stuff in the case. The FBI files, sure. But anyone with a pocketbook, an attorney, and a good FOIA request could have done the same.
I wasn’t talking about what Tom did AFTER the show and the book came out. That is separate. I’m talking about a nationally-televised show that deliberately went after a suspect in a slanted manner. And that the REAL purpose of the show was simply a night-before-prequel to the release of a book.
And that further…the book had already come to the erroneous conclusion that Rackstraw was the hijacker. Since the book was obviously created PRIOR to the television show…this means the OBJECT of the television show was to ‘back up’ the book release.
This makes the television show not only DISHONEST and MISLEADING to the public, but an obvious SCAM to promote book sales less than 24 hours later on Amazon and other book outlets.
This is a very good example on why it’s better we work separately and I never post to Cooper Heaven. Because it seems like I’m the only one that gives it you straight on these things, and you guys can’t seem to handle that concept. Look…it’s bad enough if you lie to others. When you start lying to yourself, and making character compromises, (especially so you can say you are buddy-buddy with someone) that’s the moment when objectivity goes right out the window. 🙂
I had two reasons I watched that show. The first was to see if it WAS Kenny they were talking about. Hey…I’m honest about that. The second reason was in case it WASN’T Kenny…then who the hell might be Cooper? Sounded like they had something solid to me. Then I watch the thing and see it for what it really was. A cheap-ass witch hunt that tried to manipulate the best witnesses in the case…simply to start selling books the next day. 🙂 It was obvious.
Like I said, you should talk to Billy Jensen. See what he thinks about the show.
“are you also speaking for Tina and going say she didn’t watch the program that shows Kenny’s photo?
couldn’t I use your logic here…”we believe Tina without a doubt watched the show and quickly dismissed Kenny after seeing his photo”
You can believe that, but there is no evidence to support that idea. Tina told Geoff Gray she had absolutely no interest in revisiting the case, or viewing the same photos Flo Schaffner did. You know that from Skyjack, I’m sure. She wasn’t going there. So Tom C wastes everyone’s time with a BS show meant only to promote his book that already claimed ‘he didn’t FOOL this Cold Case team’ and none of the witnesses supported that premise. He wasted everyone’s time. The show was no more than a poorly-produced prequel for the book.
LOL…if I pulled a game like Tom C did with that show…and then released Blast the next day under the title of ‘True Story of DB Cooper’… you guys would be all over me more than you are now. 🙂 I mean…it would be an ugly thing indeed.
I’m not going to call folks at Cooper Heaven phonies at the moment. No. But this is just one example of why I have in the past. You guys don’t ask questions, or do serious inquiries, or check evidence based on whether you really want the truth. Maybe SOMEtimes. But OTHER times…it is often based on emotional issues or who you do or don’t like at the moment.
I will name two things I did better than Tom C in trying to solve this case.
1) I didn’t stop with the book, nor did I use History Channel and a TV show to promote a book I knew was bullshit even before it became available for sale. In the case of Blast, it wasn’t my first choice for a title (Skipp did that) but we DID continue the investigation after the book and admitted our mistakes with it. Yes…there will be a third, and final version of the book, but not until we can present the complete evidence on Kenny and Bernie.
2) By continuing the investigation right up to the present day, we were able to close in on the truth. Tom C is no closer to putting Rackstraw in the Cooper seat than the day he started. And I know Rackstraw isn’t Joe Model Citizen, but neither did we screw with his life merely to sell books. In the case of KC, we have signed releases from the family to continue the investigation. If we have actually solved the case, it was Geestman’s family who finally put it over the top. We sincerely thank them.
Robert, all you have is people saying things…if you had hard evidence it would of been shown long ago..we do ask question and GET very little answers with some people..
For some odd reason you don’t believe others have researched more than you have, more foot work, more manpower etc. you brag a lot more than anything.
Robert, you promote Decoded to this day, you link everything together as a promotion..you do it here..you are a human spammer..
How do you know Tom is done and why is everything a competition with you? you sound like a little brat “may daddy is better than your daddy”
Well, witness testimony, such as much of the case against KC and Geestman is based upon, can be good evidence. The report is out there for free public download. No edits, no redactions. Been available for years.
Yes, I thought that Decoded was a good show, considering that it may not have proven that Kenny was the hijacker. The one thing it DID do was bring Geestman’s family to us. Without them, I don’t think we would be where we are now. The book brought Troy Bentz to us as well.
“Mister, you don’t get no lard lessin’ you boil the hog…” (John Wayne)
What the book and the Decoded show actually accomplished was to bring other things, other people out of the woodwork. I knew back in 2011 that we were lacking in the case against KC and Geestman. But when Geestman chose to point at Kenny as the hijacker on television, that was his biggest mistake ever. I didn’t even realize the significance of that until I had watched the show a few times. It sort of went over my head when he said that. Not with his family, though. They went ‘WTF?’ right away.
His other lies didn’t help, either. But all that happened PRIOR to the Decoded show. Turns out some members of Uncle Bernie’s family actually liked Kenny better than they did Uncle Bernie. No kidding. 🙂 After I talked to them a couple of times, I figured out why.
Shutter says:
“do you really really believe none of the witnesses have seen Kenny? did you see all the photo’s on the table in front of Tina with Tom Colbert’s show? Mitchell, I believe he said no to Weber and Kenny..you can contact Vicki, she has a good relationship with him…it’s a very simple way to have a witness…either say he was Cooper, or he wasn’t..one way or the other he will tell you…
I’ll message Vicki and see what she says about Mitchell..it’s the truth we are looking for, telling it straight, and getting it straight, right?”
That’s right. But I’m taking YOUR word for it representing Bill Mitchell. Or Vicki’s. You want Mitchell to take a look at pictures and evidence on Kenny, fine. Tell you what. This is what you do:
Give him my email address and send him to me. Unless you’re afraid of what he might say. I always try to go to the source, and you guys are too slanted to be trusted to represent him on your own. adventurebooksofseattle AT gmail dot com
I will bet any amount of money you are TOO afraid to do it. Like Tom C, the possible results would scare you to death, and could put to the lie all the stuff you’ve said so far about Kenny. Put up, or shut up. 🙂
Tell Mitchell my phone number isn’t unlisted….and I live in Auburn. You won’t do it. You won’t even give him my email address, and if you do, you’d probably try to taint all that with your own views about me. Which proves some of the things I’ve said about Cooper Heaven all along. You have an agenda other than the truth. 🙂
I won’t hold my breath waiting for a phone call or an email from Mitchell. None of you have the guts, or the desire, to know the truth.
In other news, I BBQ’d ribs today and cranked down the windows on the truck while I did it. My stereo takes USB flash drives, so I loaded up ‘Robert’s 200 favorite songs’ on a drive and cranked the speakers. I’m sort of old school. This was one of my favorite songs loaded to the drive. You guys are WAY too serious sometimes.
https://youtu.be/rh5_4sgwayI?list=RDrh5_4sgwayI
that’s not how things are done Robert..you don’t demand what you want. I stated Vicki has a good relationship with Mitchell. I will ask her what he said about Kenny and if he didn’t say anything to try and find out..you have been making people take your word for years…on the other side of the coin you always demand proof from others with suspect?
You couldn’t find Mitchell the first time you wanted to send him something..
while you do your little ransom demand why don’t you ever give information for others to check on statements made by people talking about Kenny? it’s a two way street, no?
let me get this straight..I’ve never spoken with Mitchell nor do I have his information but you believe I will try and sabotage things lol..I’ve told you before that you project things you do onto people..you are the one who always warns, or disrupts things. you are worried the truth will come out…don’t worry, if he says no to Kenny you will just bypass the whole thing, or make it appear to be slanted…stop worrying..be happy 🙂
you keep bringing trust into your stories and yet multiple people have flat out called you a liar and believe you have mental issues. more than half the people commenting here have made those statements, including the administration of this thread..
I will message Vicki and ask her about Mitchell. if an answer is given directly from Mitchell I will post the email in a screenshot form. it won’t matter what you thing because it will be negative if he says no about Kenny..it will be more towards this board and other outlets to see the proof.
hows that “sizzle reel” coming along 🙂
Blah, blah, blah. I knew you would figure out a way to weasel. Sorry, I don’t do third-party research. Don’t forget to blank out Mitchell’s email address in your screenshot.
I’ve been right about you guys all along. No doubt about it. 🙂 You ARE afraid of the truth.
how do you even know or think Mitchell would just contact you to begin with…there is absolutely nothing wrong with contacting Vicki to look into this…it’s only ok for you to speak for people talking about Kenny?
of course you would blank out private information..don’t you do that? no weaseling out of anything. you don’t seem to show any effort to contact any of the witnesses? Bruce spoke with Mitchell, Vicki did as well as Mark Bennett. Tom Colbert and his team got him? why not the “truth seeker”???? he’s not hiding?
sounds like you are afraid to contact him because others can verify anything that might be said to the conversation and of course him saying no..not good for the movie..
In closing it’s not about what you think vs what can be told about the totality of the conversation which is to establish whether Mitchell thinks Kenny could be Cooper..I don’t need your approval for anything..you are free to contact him yourself…nobody is stopping you and hasn’t been trying from the day you tried to contact him years ago and failed!!!
how do you say it?
“he will either ID Kenny or he won’t. either way the truth will come out”
🙂
I guess Mitchell didn’t watch the show either, especially when Kenny’s photo was shown, Tina and Mitchell glossed right over the hijacker lmao…who would of known 🙂
We know that Tina has seen a photo of Kenny, right? Blevins said she agreed to look at one so he sent her one years ago. Unless, of course, that was another Blevins lie.
Is that posted on the DZ anywhere? it doesn’t surprise me that this would occur.
Tina, Rataczak, and Mitchell were on the same show and NONE of them seen Kenny because they probably blocked reception on there television the night it came on..no, Rataczak didn’t see Cooper so we already know he is excluded to some extent.
I’ll search the DZ for anything said about this..
Jerry Thomas posted the following on Feb 20, 2012
Hi guys, I’ve been quiet for a while. The reason is I have been in contact with a individual that was on the flight with Cooper. This person actually had a good look at him. This person was sitting accross the Isle from Cooper. The individual states that mother nature called and it was time to use the restroom so this person stood up and was waiting for there turn to the restroom. The individual looked down at Cooper and Tina . All this took place while they were in a holding pattern over Seattle. Vicki contacted me and ask me to send them pictures of her Dad. I suggested that she do it instead,and she did. I sent him Pictures of all candidates ,Blevins , Webers, Marla’s the Transexual and others. He stated that there was no Doubt in his mind that none of the candidate’s matched Cooper. So sorry guys especially you Blevins and Jo. Thanks Vicki for the contact. No sense in arguing this Post it is validated and confirmed.This will become a permanent part of the FBI Files. Jerry
I think Bruce Smith met and talked to Tina Mucklow at her home. And Bruce even met Tina’s brother in law who is an agent of the FBI
Oct 2013…where is this “promissory note” ?
Apparently, Kenny was quite fond of using promissory notes. An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house, but doesn’t mention anything about a down payment or any arrangements on the OTHER half of the price.
Yeah, where is that promissory note? Great question?
So Shutter, I assume the quote above was from Blevins. It looks to me as though there was nothing suspicious about the promissory note, or he would have pointed that out. Instead, he was pointing out that the OTHER half was conspicuously unaccounted for. Of course we know now that there was a mortgage for that half. Am I reading that right, or am I missing something?
Some states disclose finance instruments used and transaction prices along with the recording. Title companies keep a record of these things, as does the state. Not sure if Washington is a disclosure state, but it wouldn’t be hard to find out. Do you have the records from the recording office, Blevins?
Actually, you guys are missing a LOT. I could tell that from some of the things you said in your recent posts there. But I’m not going to go into all that right now. Your idea on Mitchell was good, though. But if you believe I would actually trust YOU to make an official approach to Mitchell on our behalf, you guys should get your own show on Comedy Central.
I have instructed Greg to locate Mitchell for us. I don’t think we will go the email route. I would rather send him a package of photos, a letter, and maybe the FBI report. I probably should have done this long ago, since we have many good photographs in hi-res he could examine. Whether he will ID Christiansen as the guy he saw, I cannot say.
So Blevins was on here this week saying that he is gonna try and locate this promissory note. Then Shutter finds a post from 2013 where Blevins claims the promissory note has turned up, and Blevins conveniently doesn’t want to comment. Why am I not surprised?
It gets worse…multiple contradictions are all over the place about speaking with the son of Mr. Grimes..I would need to make a video or a slideshow for this one 🙂
lol, just to let you know..conformation can be obtained so I would be careful as to what you write with your new contact with Mitchell..if you find it…I’m sure you want to jump ahead of the game but the party started without you..I don’t need any approval or credit rating from you…
careful sending those packages…you sent it to the wrong place the first time lol…
isn’t that “leading a witness” other than supplying a photo for identifying purposes. why would you send a package to him? is this how law enforcement works by showing a witness everything he has done and then supply a photo?
I simple letter asking Mitchell if the photo’s enclosed could be Cooper?
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A simple letter asking Mitchell if the photo’s enclosed could be Cooper?
Robert, why do you believe people can trust you? a majority of this board has called you a liar?
‘Then Shutter finds a post from 2013 where Blevins claims the promissory note has turned up, and Blevins conveniently doesn’t want to comment. Why am I not surprised?’
You guys are beginning to try my patience. Need to do your research better. I didn’t say the note itself HAD turned up. I said I had figured out there WAS a note. I have to go on a little road trip soon to find out the details on it. The Grimes’ son doesn’t have a copy of the note. His sister has all the family papers. I recently discovered exactly where she lives. As soon as a I get a free weekend, I’m going to pay her a visit. I will call her first, of course.
As far as ‘how law enforcement works,’ I am not a cop. Law enforcement couldn’t solve the case anyway. My goal is to seek out the truth by any means necessary…short of anything illegal, and without harassing people. YOUR goal, it seems, is any insult or dirty trick necessary to somehow, someway, discredit our investigation. This is why no one at AB trusts any of you at Cooper Heaven, and often keep you out of the information loop on key issues. You are on a strictly need-to-know basis. I apologize for that, but your actions make that necessary. If you ever decided to operate in a straight-up manner with us, this could change, but not for now.
say what?
An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered
got milk?
You guys are beginning to try my patience. Need to do your research better. I didn’t say the note itself HAD turned up. I said I had figured out there WAS a note.
read carefully Robert…Focus…
An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house…
you “figured” this out with guessing the names were on it and one half the sale price?
(beep beep beep) the sound of backing up….
I don’t play dirty tricks…I challenge things said…you play a lot of dirty tricks..a very nasty one was played out not long ago by YOU…which included more lies…
Never mind. Obviously, PhotoCrapit is up to its old tricks again.
trying to post something totally irrelevant to the conversation as deflection?
more facts for the “uninformed”
Robert Oct. 2013
I’m going to direct you to Geoff Gray for proof on how Kenny bought the Bonney Lake house for cash. He was the first to claim that as fact, also correct? So ask him how he found out. (*smiles*) And although I already know the answer, I’m not doing other peoples’ homework anymore. It’s a trust issue. It’s a Cooperland thing.
response from smokin99
You know what..that’s always your answer when you can’t deliver the goods that you report on. Smile It’s an old story and why a lot of folks get tired of the rhetoric. Not trusting people with public information on a public forum. That’s so convoluted it’s not even funny. It’s all about the drama for you.
Like I said – I haven’t even seen the promissory note for the sale of the 1961 purchase. Just like I’ve seen no proof that Kenny paid cash for anything. From the deed you did post it doesn’t appear so. SO… I don’t even know that it exists and I don’t trust your word that it does because I really don’t think that you know.
As a matter of fact – when you mention the promissory note in your document or postings you say it is from a transaction from 2 or 3 years prior to 72. So how do you even know that this is not yet another piece of land?
You are all over the place with your “facts”. That is why you have zero credibility. You’re the one trying to make the case. You are the one that wrote a book called the true story of DB Cooper. Why would you now get all nasty and say it’s none of my business when I would like to see your proof of what you claim. Why come to the forum if you aren’t gonna have an open and honest discussion?
What’s with the arrogance and rudeness and the drama? Jeez Robert – you didn’t come up with a cure for cancer. You’re just one more person like the rest of us on an internet forum with an opinion. I don’t give you a hard time. I just question your data. Get over yourself.
No…just trying to explain that not only am I busy…but I DO have a life other than DB Cooper. 🙂
Gayla has reminded me that I can’t release any information acquired regarding the promissory note, since this might count as ‘new information,’ and that is restricted to the film companies FIRST and EXCLUSIVELY according to our contract with them.
I will message the producers, see what they say about this. They might be okay with us posting it up at the AB Forum. They watch that site, and know it’s heavily restricted. On the other hand, your question about any information in the note is VALID. Whether I can release the results prior to them making the official announcement on the picture…I just don’t know yet. I will try to make the trip next weekend to Olympia.
NOTE: Before anyone makes any comments about our newer, and more restrictive policy on public releases of info in the case…remember that some of YOUR actions were partially responsible for this. One side (Cooper Heaven) posts whatever they wish. The other side was both ‘watched’ and complained about. This resulted in a total of three shutdowns, two of which were the result of complaints from Cooper Heaven, and the third done by a banned/renegade MEMBER of Cooper Heaven.
So you’ll understand WHY we had to sort of change gears with the public. Public stuff now goes on the main sites, i.e. DB Cooper WordPress and the main AB website. Everything else goes on the members-only AB Message Board Forum. We really didn’t have a choice.
“As a matter of fact – when you mention the promissory note in your document or postings you say it is from a transaction from 2 or 3 years prior to 72. So how do you even know that this is not yet another piece of land?
You are all over the place with your “facts”. That is why you have zero credibility.”
If you guys would stop misquoting me…or asking twenty questions at a time…(most people who email me only have ONE or TWO)…you would get better results. You also manage to toss in insults and digs almost EVERY time you want some information…which sort of makes me take you not too seriously. Not like I owe you anything. You didn’t want anything to do with me, and even created a special anti-KC page at Cooper Heaven, plus the hundreds of insults that were posted on that site over the LAST FOUR YEARS. So you’ll excuse me if I put you down pretty far on the need-to-know food chain.
I do NOT know the exact arrangements on the land Kenny purchased on time PRIOR to the hijacking. Margie Geestman talked to me about that. Allegedly KC bought some acreage on time prior to the hijacking, and she thought he paid it off shortly AFTER the hijacking. This has NOT been confirmed by Adventure Books. She claimed that Bernie and she bought some adjoining property and Kenny bought some nearby and made small payments on it. She did name the former owner, (it’s in my extensive interview notes) and I will check on that.
The promissory note I referred to is about THE HOUSE, not the empty land. That was confirmed by Dennis, the Grimes’ son, in his interview. I am preparing to check on that not THIS weekend, but over the weekend of 16 June.
I will say this. You guys sure have a lot of questions for someone you claim you want nothing to do with. I didn’t actually start posting here to promote the idea that KC was Cooper. I already said several times that this is not fair to you. Yes, YOU…(meaning Cooper Heaven) because I cannot tell you everything we know due to the confidentiality agreement we signed with the production companies. The promissory note information, should I figure out next weekend what that is all about, might not fall under that restriction, since I brought that up PRIOR to signing the agreement. I am checking with the producers this coming week on that, BEFORE I go to Olympia. If they say ‘okay to release,’ I might post it here. If not, it goes on the AB Message Board only.
EDIT: (too bad you can’t edit comments here, which is a PITA by the way) The LAND purchase…I said it may have been done on a promissory note. But it could have been done on a contract as well. Margie Geestman only said he bought it ‘on time’ and with ‘small payments’. She didn’t actually USE the promissory note term. I said that because I didn’t know what else to call it.
I suppose that having the previous owners’ name might help on a search. Frankly speaking, I had to make choices and set priorities during the investigation into KC and Geestman. And although I was interested in the house arrangements and the land to a certain degree…I was much MORE interested in finding out WHERE and WHAT those two were doing over the week of the hijacking, So I concentrated much more effort on THOSE things, especially after Geestman’s family came forward to us after the Decoded show aired. I only had so much time and travel opportunities to go around, you know. 🙂
One of the reasons I set the house and land priorities a bit lower was because even if KC HAD paid cash for the house, it still wouldn’t indicate he was Cooper. It would be extremely suspicious, but not damning evidence he was Cooper.
We already know that KC didn’t pay cash for the house. That was detailed heavily in the WordPress article, you know. But the mortgage, as far as we can see, only covers HALF the price. I would like to see the promissory note Dennis mentioned, to figure out the arrangements on the rest.
If you guys REALLY want answers regarding the house and land stuff…this is what I can do. Send me everything you have, all the images, and I will compare them to what we have now…as well as anything I might obtain next weekend. I will see if I can come up with a comprehensive answer that I WILL make public.
If you refuse to do that, I will keep my findings members-only. It isn’t a one-way street on this stufff. You want…you want. Fine. If you want the truth, then cooperate. I’m not wasting my time starting from scratch on this. Truth is, I don’t really need to. Up to you….
lol, you are lying somewhere here Robert..first you claim (on this thread) to be looking into the promissory note…then I post a comment by you in 2013 stating you have discovered a note, then try to blow it off saying that it’s not written that way…your all over the board dude..yes the HOUSE not the empty lot..who was talking about that?
an hour later you come on and say it’s “new evidence” that is clearly old evidence according to your facts and now can’t be discussed due to the movie which gives you a perfect out so it will just disappear…guess what, it won’t disappear…
in between the 2013 statement you go back and forth with knowing and assuming there is one..now once again you claim to have the note but clam up and take the 5th..you really believe someone is buying this? I don’t care if you put armed guards around your computer it doesn’t change the fact of conflicting statements. tell us all again how you will not release anything in regards to information about Kenny or the movie..all deflection..the DZ is an awesome record keeper 🙂
I’m showing what YOU keep calling facts! is this how you give it to us straight? you had no problem talking about it a week ago or admitting no documents have surfaced?
newsflash, this is a public forum where things are discussed..it’s not a forum where you control what is discussed..you try like hell..it’s where information is exchanged..you love to toss it out there but quickly clam up when confronted with problems..some things I can understand that shouldn’t be discussed but it’s almost everytime when a problem pops up in a statement made by you..once again, it’s very simple just post the document…how does that ruin the movie or anything else?
(*Again*) Blah, blah, frickin’ blah. You want the truth on the house? Then you can cooperate with AB or forget it. It is as simple as that. You gave up your right to exclusivity and respect long ago with us, Shutter. Now you have to EARN it.
You want me to work with you on the house and land purchases? Fine. I may do this. Send me everything you have in the best possible resolution concerning those documents you researched and paid for…or forever hold your peace. If I have to do this all on my own, and pay for everything a second time, you and yours don’t get to see the results.
You are right. This IS a public forum. Doesn’t mean I have to make everything public AB does just to please you. Those are my conditions. Take em or leave em. You know my email already.
You’ve actually got me interested in getting to the bottom of all this. But if I have start whipping out my debit card to pay for stuff you’ve already obtained, and for which we do not have hi-res versions…pay for a couple of more trips to the archives in Tacoma, a trip to Olympia, etc then I don’t feel obligated in sharing any of our results publicly.
THAT’s my proposal. Take it or leave it. Put up or shut up.
Robert, you can get Mitchell’s phone number from Bruce. He interviewed him. Bruce has interviewed tons of people in the Cooper case and has the best Cooper book out there. Follow Bruce’s model.
Robert, you can get Mitchell’s phone number from Bruce. He interviewed him. Bruce has interviewed tons of people in the Cooper case and has the best Cooper book out there. Follow Bruce’s model.
We already have Mitchell’s mailing address. I’m not going to bother him with a phone call.
As far as the proposal I made, still waiting for an answer. Bruce’s book might be good, but we have differences on interview technique. 🙂
Until some of these things are resolved, I don’t have much more to say.
Robert, you fail to understand things..I don’t want to work with you..I read things stated about DB Cooper and research them..I ask questions to those involved when it can be done..99% of the time an easy answer can be accomplished…when things occur with you it’s a different story all together. you get all pissed off at things that could easily be proven but fail to come through. it has nothing to do with my forum, or trust. you post things and I research them, what can I tell you..that’s what we do..Parrot brought this up so I started looking into it and found issue’s..why you want to work with someone when you already have the answers is a new question?
You can’t post things on a public forum and not expect to have questions asked if something doesn’t sound right. you make mountains out of mole hills all the time tying threads up where ever you go..if you don’t want to be confronted perhaps you should stick to at least one of your rules of not posting or discussing things about Kenny in order to stop the problems..I won’t lose any sleep either way..you have claimed to have documents about the house then show them. it’s very simple as I have stated many times..failure to do this with what ever excuse you toss out there is a red flag…I’m not demanding anything but when you state things as fact and fail to prove them this is what happens..
lets recap..
last week you claimed to be looking into the promissory note..
2013 you claimed a note was discovered.
2014 you are back to assuming what could be in the note if found.
2015 same as 2014..
yesterday you claimed it wasn’t written that way..(discovered)
late evening you claim it can’t be produced due to contracts..
can you see why I have concerns?
You are right. This IS a public forum. Doesn’t mean I have to make everything public AB does just to please you. Those are my conditions. Take em or leave em. You know my email already
as I mentioned above it’s things you posted already that come under fire..so yes, you should be prepared to back them up..I can’t comment on things you don’t post, right? you already made them public..(hello, anybody in there)
When you lie, you have to tell another lie to cover that lie, then another to cover that one. The end result is that there are so many lies and half truths that you can’t remember half of what you’ve said and thus there are contradictions all over the place.
Make no mistake, Blevins investigation is one big clusterfuck. He fails to see that things that are being posted here are not an attempt to get answers from him. But rather are posted to expose the truth about him and his “investigation”. Any answers he gives will only be more lies.
I try to give him a chance to provide some truth into things but he always drifts off the topic right onto my forum..he fails to understand that others also note these things..it’s very simple..I’m trying to get to the bottom of statements made on a public forum..he claims he doesn’t have to post everything on a public forum..that’s 100% true but it’s things he already posted that come under fire..
example
If I tell this panel I’m 32 years old and he finds contradictions I can’t respond saying he’s uninformed or say it’s up to him to prove otherwise..I have to clear up the issue, not him..I will either show proof I’m 32 or fess up..you only have several options…
LOL. This what got both Nixon and Clinton in trouble. Not that Blevins is up to presidential standards.
“Robert, you fail to understand things..I don’t want to work with you…”
That’s all I needed to read. The rest I sort of ignored. Okay, I will proceed on that basis according to what I said before.
I suspected as much when I checked my email this morning and saw nothing from you.
Robert, again, you post things that imply you have the note, so why do you need to work with me? go to the county and get all the records that can be found…not all of them are online..then you can post what has been found..why is this so hard for you to do? I can’t go there…
you shouldn’t need anyone…it’s a very simple task even a caveman could do 🙂
I asked Vicki if Mitchell has seen a photo of Kenny…
“You might have to confirm this with Mark. When we met him for lunch I believe Mitchell told us that Kenny wasn’t the guy.”
I will contact Mark today and see what he can add about the conversation with Mitchell..they had lunch with him a while back..I have a picture of Mitchell’s ticket along with a photo of Vicki, Mark and Mitchell..the photo’s I have are dated Thursday, September 24, 2015, 9:47:07 pm..
for the time being you can email M
keyboard malfunction…
for the time being you can email Mark Bennett about his conversation with Mitchell if you are trying to seek the truth..his email is on the DZ..
“Robert, again, you post things that imply you have the note…”
Never said I had the note. Said I was told by a family witness there WAS a note involved in the house sale. I will get to the bottom of all this over the next couple of weeks, but I’m not posting up anything publicly about my results. That was the deal. If I have to do more running around and paying up than absolutely necessary because of your refusal to send what you already have…you and yours don’t get to see the results. Nothing comes free, Shutter. Especially to Cooper Heaven.
I’m kind of busy for a while, so I won’t be posting here for a few days or longer.
Will have to see it to believe it.
lol, took you all night and day to come up with that one..you are lying again..
“I will message the producers, see what they say about this. They might be okay with us posting it up at the AB Forum’
still going to stick to the “Never said I had the note”
where are we with this..you said a note was discovered in 2013, but you didn’t say it that way, but now you say you never had it which implies someone else has had it for over 5 years even though if the producers agreed you would post the note that you don’t have?????
I’m just going off the things you say…I know I’m wrong because Georger says mean things about you and the forum has billions of comments about you…the FACT remains on what YOU said…it was raining today and I hit a puddle and it splashed an older woman…can ya use that, isn’t that horrible? “Shutter tries to drown elderly woman” film at 11 🙂
“I’m kind of busy for a while, so I won’t be posting here for a few days or longer.”
one lie at a time please….DANGER (buzzing noise) quota limit reached 🙂
by the way, I never paid for any of the documents I have..they are free as a bird and can easily be found online..
Never said I had the note. Said I was told by a family witness there WAS a note involved in the house sale.
that’s not how you wrote the post, or the quote..Dennis said he knew a note was there, which most believe anyway..you wrote it like it was in front of you..
you left this out of your little script above…
An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house…
now since you have found out about this in 2013 you want us to believe you never got a copy of the note? if it could only be obtained in Florida you would of drove down here to get it…makes no sense you don’t even have a copy…”Never said I had the note” but know exactly what was on it and what was missing? I didn’t post the part where you claim no down payment or anything was on the note….
If Kenny had a bunch of money legitimately (as people have hinted) then why wouldn’t he just write a check, or list on the promissory note the arrangements for a down payment? There is nothing about a total balance. That only appears on a different document filed with the county. Possible answer: In order to write a check that large, you have to also make deposits to a bank, and that could get the attention of the IRS, maybe even the FBI.
how about this whopper…it’s from the same post implying once again you have the documents…
Hmm. Well, I’ve been comparing documents on the sale of the house in Bonney Lake. I’m not completely done with this investigation quite yet, although I’ve discovered some interesting things.
I haven’t figured out everything you tried to say back there, but it doesn’t really matter. You ask a LOT of questions for someone who doesn’t work well with others. Or refuses to. You want all the answers, but the minute I suggest a little cooperation so I don’t have to do so much running around or plopping down my debit card at the County Clerk’s office, you toss a hissy fit. Truth is, I just can’t figure you out. 🙂
Let me leave you with some comedy instead.
The Ballad of Kenny Christiansen
Let me tell you all a story about a man named Ken
Slavin’ on a airline, hardly makin’ any bread
Then one day he was not around the crew
And into his mind popped a little thought or two…
Dollar bills…lots of them…no movie stars
Well the first thing you know Ken’s puttin’ up a dare
He’s tellin’ buddy Bernie ‘We can pull it off I SWEAR!’
‘Just drive me down to Portland and I will say goodbye,
And I won’t come back to see ya ‘till I’ve fooled the F.B.I!’
Northwest Airlines…pretty stews…bourbon and smokes
It wasn’t very long ‘till Ken got all the cash,
A bunch of parachutes and now it’s time to dash
Then somewhere he finally took his cue,
Went jumpin’ out the back and takin’ what was due…
Twenties, that is…lots of cash…no movie stars
(Faster)
Well now it’s time to say goodbye to Ken and all his kin
And they would like to thank Northwest for kindly givin’ in
You’re all invited to the Bon-ney Lake lo-cal-i-ty,
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of their hos-pi-tal-i-ty…
Bonney Lake, that is…sit a spell…take yer shoes off.
Ya’ll come back now…hear? 🙂
wrong…I’m cathing you in lies buddy..plain and simple..they are quotes from YOU..I work fine with everyone except you..no reason work with you..you have all the documents, right? you said you did, several times..the deflection doesn’t work anymore..
2014, after we discovered the house wasn’t purchased in cash he could no longer act like he knew how the house was purchased.
“We didn’t know all the details on the purchase of Kenny’s house”
2013 prior to finding out the house wasn’t purchased in cash..it was still a FACT and he knew it was a FACT?
“I’m going to direct you to Geoff Gray for proof on how Kenny bought the Bonney Lake house for cash. He was the first to claim that as fact, also correct? So ask him how he found out. (*smiles*) And although I already know the answer, I’m not doing other peoples’ homework anymore. It’s a trust issue. It’s a Cooperland thing.”
with a smile on his face he knew exactly how the house was purchased in cash until it was proven not to be purchased in cash and having to admit to not knowing how the house was even purchased in 2014..now, if I said that he would label me a “bold face liar”
🙂
“I’m kind of busy for a while, so I won’t be posting here for a few days or longer.”
?????????????????????????????????
have you got an answer from the producers on releasing the promissory note you don’t have? you should be able to call vs email,no? try a sizzle reel to them 🙂
You’re a ‘reel’ funny guy. Well, not reely. You never wanted any answers about the house purchase in the first place. If you did, you wouldn’t be a smart ass about the whole thing. Or try baiting me. That doesn’t work, either. You did motivate me to settle the house question once and for all, (I will give you THAT) but since you decided to ASK ASK ASK and then refuse to cooperate with AB on the answers, (making us work harder and spend a little more unnecessary money) I’m not making anything public for you. Producers did respond to my request. They said if it was a joint thing on the investigation into Kenny’s house, they would like to know what we found, but they didn’t see the harm in releasing that info publicly, nor could they reely stop it anyway since it would be a JOINT thing. You turned that down, so now we keep it in-house and with the producers. I have already told them your decision. “Figures…” one of them said. (Our emails go to three people at the same time.)
I already told you the way it was. Gave you the ONE chance, which no around here thought you deserved anyway. You turned it down. Your choice. It proves that you weren’t REELY looking for an answer about KC’s house, but just wanted to engage in your usual stuff. (*yawn*) Blah, blah, frickin’ BLAH. Do your own research. (I know you have, but like me, you don’t have all the details yet.) Your refusal to cooperate means we owe you zero on explanations about what we find. I don’t feel the need to prove anything to you or Cooperland. You’re not the people I’m actually working with, you know. And you are a reletively small group compared to the general public.
I got to go. This is cutting into my World of Tanks time, and I have to work tomorrow. In case you run into an emergency Cooperland Situation, you are not blocked from the main email at AB. Neither is Bruce, although Nicky is permanent party on the Bad List.
Did you like the parody song at least? People have told me they think it’s funny. 🙂
I got to go. This is cutting into my World of Tanks time, and I have to work tomorrow.
EDIT: I do have to go for a while, but I thought I owed you THIS much:
(First…a suggestion. Try reading the WordPress DB Cooper we have going. This is where the best, and most updated info exists. Like this:)
“Checking further, we discovered that both Ann and Joe Grimes had passed away around 2005. I could not interview them, so I went to the next best source – their son – who lives in a small house near Rochester, WA. He said that he didn’t know a whole lot about the house sale, but there was a promissory note involved for about half the price of the house. When I asked him if his father was the type who would wait nineteen years (like the mortgage company did on the other half) to get paid off on such a note, he laughed. Not a chance, he said. His dad was a cash-on-the-barrelhead kind of guy, and would have been paid off in a very short time or he would have foreclosed, or taken other action based on the note.
Was there a copy of this note anywhere? I asked. He didn’t know. Did Kenny ever pay it off? He said that if Kenny had failed to pay, his dad would have certainly taken back the house, or forced Kenny to obtain an additional mortgage to pay his dad. He was just a young man at the time he said, and didn’t know all the details. But the one thing he was sure of was that his father would have wanted payment on that note – and in a quick, fast, New York hurry. He was certain on that…”
Tell me where it says in there I had acquired a copy of this note. I never said such a thing. And I shouldn’t have to point you to an open forum you know perfectly well has existed for a couple of years now at least. 🙂 We both know you have seen this forum and its 20 or so articles, because some of you tried to leave nasty comments…which I happily trashed.
Not in the article: He pointed me to his sister, who holds all the family documents. I am arranging an interview, as well as a trip to the County Clerk’s office with my debit card in hand.
Blevins, you cost me $25. I was counting on you this time and layed my money down. You came back early and I lost the bet. Guess I’m the fool.
his plate is full…didn’t you know that means to continue to post? he was gone minutes this time…he’s so busy he can stay up till 4am to prove it!!!
Well, I’m sorry about that. My plate is pretty full right now, but I got a little tired of the bullshit things being quoted about ‘what I said’. I’ve seen some ugly names being tossed around this comment thing or whatever it is…some from the same guy who kept saying he didn’t allow all that.
I am reminded of something ‘Amazon’ aka Jeannie at Dropzone told me about Cooper Heaven. She said this to me while I was up at her house replacing her porch:
“They deserve each other over there…”
And you really do. You think you are the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper, yet you were ignored by the people creating the first movie on the case. All they saw there was negativity, name-calling, and baloney. The site is a waste of time. No one except registered members can even see anything you guys post except the text. No links, no pictures, nothing. This means you aren’t reaching the public, folks. You guys practically eat your own young over there. You’ve allowed HUGE lies by one of the biggest investigators in the case, Galen ‘C,’ under the username CoopSnoop…who got so carried away with his bullshit that he had to quit the site.
When the AB Forum was public, some of you spent half your time trying to figure out a way to shut us down, which is why we’re private now and frankly…none of you are invited.
You invested literally tons of effort and posts anti-whatever. And none of it changed a thing.
When we tried working with you, that was rejected as well. Now you whine because you can’t figure out what’s REALLY going on. Negativity, like beating your kids…has diminishing returns. Sometimes it works pretty well at first. Later, not so much. 🙂
I don’t think any of you qualify as ‘bad people’. Phonies to the max degree? Much more likely.
wow, that’s a lot of writing trying to convince this board you were not being deceptive about several things. you keep calling people phonies when you fail to look in the mirror along with “giving it to us straight” now people lost money because of you 🙂 Ted lost $25 due to more lies from you..we are now at leaving the forum for the 12th time..
you can tell this board all about the Grimes family but it doesn’t change the fact of what you have tried to claim..you keep implying I care about the house…I care about you being honest is what I care about….that’s a very hard thing to accomplish..
you also keep saying you are not vindictive or spiteful when it’s written all over the comments above Robert. your bringing up crap from years ago (water under the bridge?) oops, only you can do that lol..Galen was on the forum in 2014 dude..yes, he was posting like crazy..he was warned and ignored the warnings so I put him on approval only and he ended up leaving..BIG DEAL…Amazon quote is from 2014 as well…
again, it has nothing to do with working with you or even getting answers about the house..it’s about how you have been lying about the ways YOU claim to have the answers…
“Was there a copy of this note anywhere? I asked. He didn’t know.”
and yet you stated you had them (multiple times)..you went as far to try and get approval to post it..that’s called lying Robert..you can talk about me till the sun comes up, oops, you already do that lol..it doesn’t change the fact of what you have been caught doing pal..
by the looks of your postings I gather you spent some time on the DZ so you can try and give it to us straight lol..
“You never wanted any answers about the house purchase in the first place. If you did, you wouldn’t be a smart ass about the whole thing”
this will be the second time I had to straighten you out about the “house” ..2013 I found the documents that proved it wasn’t purchased in cash..now I had to set the record straight about what you have been saying about the “house”..it looks more like you don’t care how it was really purchased..the proof is in the statements..all you are trying to do is find a quick way it was paid off..5 plus years have went by and you had multiple contacts to the source and yet you still have nothing..even though you claimed the opposite..you can’t weasel out of this Robert..
you might want to finally take your own advice and take time to think about what you want to do here..keep lying, keep attacking me, tell the truth for once, move on? you don’t need me or anyone else to decide this..it can been done alone since you always like things that way..
🙂
Blevins wants Shutter to send him everything he has so that he don’t have to pay for it???
He’s the one that’s supposed to be doing the investigation to begin with. He should have already followed up on this note years ago.
never paid for anything..it’s all free and easily found online..I still find it odd that he wants to work with me to find the answers he keeps saying he has? am I all of the sudden an asset? sorry but I have to BYPASS his offer lol..
Jo Weber kept saying the FBI wouldn’t release the prison records on Duane while at Jefferson..$4.50 and I had his entire prison record and a DVD of his mugshots..as 377 states, I like Jo but she’s not being honest about things either..
I wanna point out a few things here about Blevins and certain key words and key phases that are involved in his posting. When I first arrived at this MB, I stated that Blevins wasn’t even a “clever” liar. I now realize that that was drastic understatement. 1) Blevins has falsely accused shutter many times now, but notice how he resorted to the statement that “he (shutter) doesn’t work well with others.” My point is that in this day and age of the “right to work laws,” this is the one phony excuse that employers lay on people they want to fire from the work place, rather than paying them a meritorious wage. These same employers steal ideas from the skilled workers and hand their jobs off to people that they can get for a lot less money…like undocumented workers. 2) A red flag occurred in my mind when Blevins’ crapola included the name “Grimes”. It reminded me of the heinous 1957 Grimes sisters murders. In order to understand why I’m pointing this out, I recommend that you read Mindhunter, by former FBI profiler John Douglas and co-author Mark Oldshaker. Basically a internal justification process is used by serial criminals to cope with their own foul deeds. There’s more to this whole basic subject to consider. 3) Evidence that the Grimes received a half-payment on their property, tends to show that there may have been a ‘contract for deed’ sale? Not that I mean to imply that I trust anything Blevins has to say, I’m simply pointing out a financial reality in the real estate business. Another idea that occurred to me is that perhaps Kenny C had youngsters around that he was renting to, and that there was nothing sinister in doing so. Several youngsters around to cover the mortgage can be a good deal for all involved.
Said in part:
‘Blevins wants Shutter to send him everything he has so that he don’t have to pay for it???
He’s the one that’s supposed to be doing the investigation to begin with. He should have already followed up on this note years ago.’
You are right about that. I should have done this years ago, I suppose. On the other hand, all I see is one question after another, one challenge after another by Shutter concerning this house. And frankly, my part in the Cooper case is pretty much over. After the picture comes out, (and it WILL) the truth on KC and Bernie will probably come out along with it.
I am damn busy these days. I don’t have as much time as I used to when I was running around all over the Northwest on this frickin’ case. I don’t even CARE that much about it anymore. The docs Shutter posted up are basically unreadable online. The ones he has about the house now. And sure…I can go down to the County Clerk and get the same one(s) and more…simply by giving them a few search terms and my debit card.
I would like to point out that I made a 54-page document avaialble to the public, complete with pics and OUR available docs as a free, high-definition download. (PDF distiller settings=’High Quality Print’.)
If I have to pay and run around even MORE when some items are necessary, then I am not going to make the results public. Not the interview, not the things we find. I will save that for our few members at the AB Forum, and for the producers, who say if I do these things on my own, it sort of counts as ‘new information,’ and technically I’m breaking the contract with them. A ‘joint’ sort of effort could be justified. I’m not going to risk that for Cooper Heaven. NO WAY.
the problems I see with the “low key” living is taking in underage kids in the first place..people already said “rumors” were going around Bonney Lake..not a good thing to do if you are “hiding” in plain view..the amount for the house is not out of the ordinary to begin with…it’s a very small old house..almost a shed..I’m sure a note was involved..he wants to try and make it appear he paid it off in a short period, implying he had “extra income” this was the whole purpose with his famous top ten reasons Kenny could be Cooper..he makes comments that stops any doubt in what he claims..”I already know how Kenny purchased the house in cash” “I have the documents about the sale of the house, and the promissory note” making it hard to dispute..
Once these things are exposed he has nothing left but to try and discredit those involved..”trust issue, hatemongers, jealousy” etc. etc. what most people do when they use deception often is they forget what they say..the yarn starts to unravel and spin the other way..Bob Knoss did the very same thing on the DZ..he’s a total nightmare with honesty..he does the same tricks stating honesty, and trust all the time..why would you need to do that constantly unless you are trying to cover up things..secrecy is another issue..”you don’t deserve to know what I know” giving yet another way not to produce any proof..
some of the people he claims are very trustworthy stated Kenny purchased the house in cash, or he added that. it’s hard to say when he’s the only one speaking for everyone..huge red flag..
you don’t care much about it, really..you are up till the sun comes up posting on a Cooper thread?
54 pages of more BS..the first one was the bomb..you sent it to the FBI, they must of been on the floor with that one 🙂
why are you here? if you don’t wish to back anything up you continue to post (even though you don’t care?) then STOP posting and move on? that’s what you have been saying for YEARS dude..it’s a broken record..12 times here in a short period of time..lies lies lies…no quotes from your closed little group?
no further updates on the movie…lie (sizzle reel lol)
documents about the house…lie
leaving the thread…lie
false accusations against me..plenty of them
then you whine about trust and phonies lmao..
you are so obsessed that you take a laptop with you to continue to respond… wow
we need to start a betting pool with this lol..go by minutes to hours and finally days to his return..pick the day and time…closet one wins 🙂 probably too much work involved since it’s a common thing that happens lol..
After the picture comes out, (and it WILL) the truth on KC and Bernie will probably come out along with it.
how is that possible..none of the witnesses or anyone important watched any of the shows with Kenny in them to bring out the truth, movies are different? did the witnesses all take the day off while those shows aired? 🙂
where does the truth LIE….
“Tell me where it says in there I had acquired a copy of this note.”
the same post you claimed it was discovered..you state that you were looking over documents and start with the note…you posted the information as you were “looking over the documents”
“I will message the producers, see what they say about this. They might be okay with us posting it up at the AB Forum”
the above implies once again you have the note..
how many times do you need this explained to you?
again, and again..you stated years ago a note surfaced..you stated things as fact that were on the note. you stated you were looking over documents on the sale of the house..you started claiming this after we found proof the house wasn’t purchased in cash…
on this very thread you once again state you will be looking into finding the note. I posted your past comments contradicting you latest comment..then you said it was not to be released due to contracts. the REAL question is, how could you release something you don’t have…..got it, understand, you with me, can you follow, is anybody in there?
why don’t you have the document that was discovered in 2013, it’s seems pretty simple..you never had it but claim you did..
I don’t think much more can be said here other than be honest about what you post…
Personally, I think we are all being played by bLIEvins. I don’t believe there is a production company. I don’t believe there is a pending movie. And I don’t believe there were ever any real offers for Shutter, Marty or Bruce. It’s all a bunch of lies from bLIEvins.
It’s hard to say..it could of been on the table two years ago and he is just milking it. time will tell..it must be true since it’s now a “historical fact” but so was the purchase of the house in cash. maybe he mixes up facts vs fax 🙂
the offers, extremely questionable. a total of $45,000 to read a few lines?
television “pitches” things to the networks..here is an email from Atlas..they were trying to make a Cooper series and I was picked along with 3 others to be on the panel..
So I got feedback today from producers and we’d like to cast you as part of the investigation team for the series!
The next step if you’re on board is I will be sending you a standard talent agreement between you and Atlas Media.
Basically it’s a good faith agreement that says you grant us permission to pitch on your behalf to networks and you agree not to sign with other production companies or networks for a DB Cooper project.
We make these for 12 months only because it’s a process and we do have to wait on network answers. Of course we’re going to make every effort to sell it quickly.
Once the show is sold – then we will know more details like how many episodes, shooting schedules, pay, etc.
For the agreement – I just need an address, I have your phone/email. This will all be done through email but we need an address for the agreement.
So Congratulations! We’re excited to work with you. Please send me that info ASAP and call me with any questions!
I’m in the office until about 5:30pm today pacific time.
Have a great weekend!
—
Mark Dalbis
Manager of Casting
ATLAS MEDIA WEST COAST.
Burbank, CA
Parrot, I’ve thought the same thing, but you have to admit that Blevins got Brad Meltzer on board with a much watched Cooper show. And Blevins knows how to penetrate deep. There is hardly a Cooper site on the internet, save Shutters, that Blevins hasn’t got hold of and made it his own through sheer bully promotion. The man is relentless.
Test post. Some glitches apparently lately…
What’s going on here is that some of you are tossing multiple comments into a bizarre mix of half-truths and misquotes, and then trying to present the whole mess as a comprehensive package. I have no way to address such senseless posts. From now on, this is what I will do. If you ask a question, just ask no more than one or two at a time…or it will be ignored.
I will pick one of the previous questions/comments and answer it. THIS one:
“the offers, extremely questionable. a total of $45,000 to read a few lines?”
Robert says: I’ve answered this one a few times now. It was never that easy. This is what happened.
1) Bruce and Marty A were offered a one-time payment from the production companies of $15,000, payable on what they call ‘First Day of Production Shooting,’ in exchange for agreeing to review 20-25 pages of the final script, the parts between when Cooper reaches the ticket counter until he jumps.
2) If this sounds exhorbitant, it really isn’t. And the production company gets some bonus out of it too. They wanted to list both Bruce and Marty as ‘co-producers’ in the picture, and list the title of their books. The company is PAYING for the privelege of doing that. This is a common practice in pictures presented non-fiction. Consultants and the like, and the payment was reasonable for this privelege. For example, let’s say some filmmakers contact Stephen King’s agent and ask if Stephen would be willing to check the final script here and there, maybe suggest some minor changes. Then…you are talking big money, maybe $100,000 or more. And you get to list King’s name in the credits. Everybody wins. That was the deal with Bruce and Marty. My book, and our extensive investigatory files would be used in the picture, with Bruce and Marty providing services on historical accuracy on some parts of the picture. It is as simple as that.
3) What happened is the producers asked me to make the pitch to Bruce and Marty for them, (since I have partial control over the final script) and to approach Cooper Heaven as well, although I didn’t know what they had in mind for Shutter and his website. Or even if there would be a money offer to them.
4) I told the producers that due to personal issues between myself and Cooper Heaven in general, that any approach by me would probably be futile. They asked me to try anyway. So I did. Marty answered first, and very politely. He said he had some problems previously with another media company and didn’t want to come on board for the picture. Okay…I accepted that. Bruce was a little different. Since he’s local to me and the most well-known Cooper investigator in WA State, I tried a little harder to recruit him. But it didn’t work out.
5) Bruce said he couldn’t work with me and wanted the production company to contact him directly. I told Bruce they wouldn’t talk to him unless they had a signed contract and a confidentiality agreement in place. I also said it was unrealistic for him to say he wouldn’t work with me, since I have partial control over the script. He would HAVE to work with me. (I told the producers at the start this whole idea was hopeless and I was right.)
In the end, they rescinded the offer and everybody moved on. Nothing more to tell.
Add-On Edit: Looking back now, it was probably better everyone said NO. Truth is, if Bruce, for example…had said YES…I would have had to send him a copy of the contract and the confidentiality agreement to sign. He would then have forwarded signed copies of those documents to the production company.
Frankly, I was worried that Bruce would simply READ the documents, KNOW who was behind the picture, say NO…and then write an article about it. The production companies would have been extremely angry that their plans went public before they were ready, and might even have cancelled the picture. (Obviously, the names of the production companies, the three producers behind the picture, and their addresses were on all paperwork.)
I didn’t think of that possibility at first. I always thought if Bruce said YES, that the money would be enough to keep his end of the bargain on the confidentiality agreement. (If you sign it and break it, they don’t pay you and void the contract.)
I have to admit that LATER…I was actually relieved everyone said no.
Ok, but here’s what doesn’t make sense to me: Bruce and you are competitors, each with your own book and website. You have a suspect, but Bruce has done things that you could not do like locate and interview Tina Mucklow (and get pictures of her when no one else could).
So why would the production company want you to be the go between for himself and them? Better question, why would Bruce trust you to bargain for him when you are his competition? THAT doesn’t make sense, Robert.
“So why would the production company want you to be the go between for himself and them? Better question, why would Bruce trust you to bargain for him when you are his competition? THAT doesn’t make sense, Robert.”
That’s actually a legitimate question. One reason they wanted me to be the go-between is because I have partial control over the script. They asked me for suggestions on historical accuracy sources, mostly the parts between when Cooper boards and when he jumps. People that might want to get involved with the final version of the script. People frankly….with BOOKS on Cooper out there that were fairly recent. We discussed this stuff at length, Skype and email mostly.
I suggested Bruce and Marty because they had the most recent books out there, and I knew who they were. (I also messaged Geoff Gray, but he didn’t answer. He’s pretty much out of the Cooper biz anyway.)
It was never a matter of trust, not on Bruce’s side anyway. The production company is very familiar with the Cooper Heaven website. They tried to research it even before they knew who I was. They recognized that although it had flaws…(negativity and all links and pictures not availble to the public were mentioned)…it was still the biggest site on Cooper out there.
They just wanted me to be the front man and approach everyone. The contracts were already filled out except for the signatures and a blank spot for the person’s name and contact information. It was simple, really. They say yes…I’m supposed to send the contract and the confidentiality agreements…they fill them in, sign, send them back to the production companies. Then hopefully they abide by the confidentiality agreement and become part of the team. They can then contact the producers anytime they like.
Maybe I just failed with Bruce on explaining that. I dunno. Water under the bridge, I guess.
One thing I forgot to say is WHY they asked ME to do this offer stuff regarding the script. The MAIN reason, I suppose, is because they felt I had the right to imput on who comes on board for the script, since the movie is really based on the life of KC, the Blast book to a small degree, and all those files we sent them. My main job with this movie is just the script, to review it. They thought I should be the one to suggest who else assists and comes on board for that script.
I have NO control on who they picked for the main screenwriter. I don’t even know who he is yet, although I’m told he has a solid track record. LOL…they spent more on him than they are paying me, I know that much. 🙂 I’m okay with it. In one of our discussions, I agreed with the idea of bringing on a known screenwriter with a good history, even if a bigger chunk of the budget goes to him. Need a solid script or you really have nothing.
I wouldn’t call Bruce and I ‘competitors’. His book is a general look at the case, like Gray’s. Mine is about a specific suspect, and I don’t talk about Bruce during the rare times I do a public appearance on Cooper. He has a blanket approach to the case. Mine is just about the investigation into KC and Geestman.
Is that why you made it a point to accuse Marty of having shills on his reviews. you stated on this thread about the same time you made the review that you don’t do that on Amazon..what you say is never what you actually do…
they bought the rights to your book..it’s about Kenny..if you guys can’t figure out what is accurate and what isn’t, nether you or the film company should be making any type of film based on TRUTH…that’s the bottom line…
where are you qualified to tell Hollywood producers who to pick for screenwriters? I’m confused with the whole thing..just how big of a film is this..will this be a film you pay to go and see all over the country? will it be big enough to pay well known actors? it doesn’t sound that way..
I can’t see someone like Ron Howard asking where Robert Blevins is so we can get the script going..
just answer the questions..we all know about my forum…
(negativity and all links and pictures not availble to the public were mentioned)
that sounds like you..I have close to a dozen producers on the forum..they could of joined just like the rest of them did..you act like it’s a wall that can’t be penetrated. NONE of them said a word about any problems related to joining the forum..several contacted me prior to joining.
the producers I know said things about you but I didn’t make a circus out of it..did you get picked to be on the panel with Atlas, no, you didn’t and they talked to you..should I have made a circus out of that lasting to this very day? “Robert was bypassed” by Atlas…
Atlas went right to the point..they said they want stories about Cooper and didn’t want to hear about the drama attached to it..Amanda from the Learning channel said about the same as Atlas..
In conclusion..the basic facts here are that 3 people decided not to work with this film company or one Robert M Blevins for one reason or another..
Marty stated issues with other production companies..
Bruce wanted direct contact if anything was to be agreed.
Shutter flat out refused to work with RMB.
No bypassing, no invisible links to guests..you have 3 rejections for various reasons.
just like the multiple stories surrounding the promissory note..
Robert, you have a completely closed forum and you blast me..you need to be contacted to gain access when all they have to do with me is join the forum..how is what you are doing any better than what my forum, or others like Websleuths does by having links exclusive to members..your whole forum is exclusive, shutout to the general public..the blue screen of death shows up. I have a member stating he wouldn’t post if it was any other way..you can’t please everyone Robert..
“I can go down to the County Clerk and get the same one(s) and more…simply by giving them a few search terms and my debit card.”
no, you can go online and get them in a PDF format for free just like I did years ago. they have been posted in a clear PDF format many times on the DZ. are you telling me you still don’t have these? it’s bad enough you now claim not having the promissory note you were looking at in 2013 or were getting permission to post?
a lot of it might be on microfilm…you should of done this almost a decade ago instead of stating things as fact. probably would of taken a full day to research properly but records are there..
taking the word of people doesn’t cut it..you have to actually go to the county and research the names and properties involved. Joe and jackie can tell you crap all day long..documents don’t lie, but people do..
multiple pages on the sale of the property that had almost two dozen acres selling for $17,000 an acre were found online for free..remember, Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck!!!
I made a video years ago for my family..I found every house we lived in, including my grand parents and put the documents into the video..all for free..I showed a picture of the house, then the documents..something you should of done a decade ago. records showed my grandfather buying the house in lived in till he died in 1988 bought in 1932. it was somewhere around $3000 with ten acres of land.. a total of 7 houses found with records..took me about a week to gather the information. my birth certificate has my moms address on it and I was able to find the apartment still standing and put the photo in the video asking my mom if it looked familiar lol,,my dad was at sea when I was born…
I can clearly see why Bruce refers to Blevins as a he does. Basically Blevins wants the experts to endorse his false ‘Kenny was Cooper’ narrative, or “no dice.” Then when that doesn’t happen, Blevins isn’t enough of man to acknowledge his own faulty premises, he then lays blame on others. Three experts turn Blevins down because “Blevins doesn’t work well with others,” that’s the bottom line here. But apparently the true basis for the “bottom line,” is that none of the three main experts agree whatsoever that ‘Kenny was Cooper.’ Blevins makes it clear that he doesn’t really care who the Cooper UNSUB was, just so long as he/Blevins can make some money. Blevins track record of habitual lying, disqualifies him to be involved in any factual documentary of any sort. As it currently stands, if any production company picks up the faulty ‘Kenny was Cooper’ story, and succeeds in getting network airplay, all parties involved should be considered as untrustworthy and dishonest and probably criminal as well.
By comparison, take the Sept 2016 ‘Case of JonBenet Ramsey’ aired by CBS and produced by Critical Content. It was by far one of the most blatantly dishonest productions I’ve ever witnessed. Despite the fact that Burke Ramsey was cleared based on solid evidence by both the cops and the DA more than twenty years ago, that didn’t stop these creeps from laying the murder on him and his folks. 1)As far as the very basic evidence goes, they depicted a 9 year old hitting a prop on the “top” of the head, when in fact the blow happened to the back of the victim’s head and below the mid line. 2) They claimed that Patsy Ramsey failed to hang up the handset after the 911 call ended…this was a wall mounted phone with a counter top below it. Had she failed to hang the phone up, you’d have heard the handset bounce on the counter top. Furthermore, the tone of line becomes immediately muted when she ends the call, showing that her phone had immediately stopped drawing something known as “battery current.” The list of lies goes on with Critical Content and CBS.
BTW, it’s been a few weeks now and the MSM hasn’t said another word about the Walter Reca was Cooper nonsense, which comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. Do you see a pattern emerge here? Do you see how desperate Blevins is to interject his ‘Kenny was Cooper’ false narrative? Blevins gets caught in lie after lie, but he comes back with more and more lies. Most reasonable persons would have taken off a long time ago and maybe even changed their own names….but not Mr Blevins…nope…he’s Teflon coated.
Let me clarify something about myself. For years I was blissfully ignorant of the Ramsey murder and the Cooper case. I’m not a “crime buff.” My forte’ is communication electronic trouble shooting and engineering, it’s what I graduated in. My interests are in “how things work,” especially in any scientific and electro-mechanical sense. The document evidence linking one another case for me was chronologically the California Zodiac killer cases, then the Black Dahlia case, Suzanne Degnan, Chicago Lipstick, JonBenet Ramsey and the OCCK case, then the 1957 Grimes sisters murders. With those studies, I truly have “enough on my plate” these days. I have at least two people to thank for their recent help, one was my friend since childhood Bob Shilz, for pointing out the d nooses on the Ramsey note and Bruce A. Smith for reporting the clip-on tie evidence on YouTube. Nanette Barto is also a credit for her tenacity as well.
I know this will be off topic but I do believe that Burke Ramsey accidently killed Jon Benet. The only thing that cleared the family was DNA found on Jon Benet’s underwear belonged to someone else. The people on the CBS program took a brand new pair of underwear, right out of the package and were able to get DNA off of it. I think Burke and the family were wrongfully cleared. The parents were actually indicted of obstruction, however the DA didn’t press charges. I wish I had recently watched that program but it was very compelling to me.
The indictment against the Ramsey’s was Child abuse resulting in death in connection to the 1st degree murder of Jon Benet Ramsey.
No accident, Dan. The autopsy of JBR clearly showed an intent to kill. Was it the brother? Most likely, thus the cover-up by parents.
The murder of JonBenet was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident. The evidence supporting this is more than ample. You have your information about the DNA wrong. Technically, only the DA can indict, and he refused to do so and for several good reasons. So, there was no indictment. In my work I don’t rely on DNA whatsoever to state what I do. I’m simply not gonna argue this stuff with individuals. I’ll point to my work and others are gonna get what I’m say or they aren’t. Most of the public has been subliminally programmed about the Ramsey case by the tabloids, MSM and several misdeeds and missteps by a few bad cops. The Ramsey’s don’t think like criminals, the persons that rigged the murder of JonBenet and the ransom note, think like criminals. The Ramsey’s simply had no motive whatsoever.
Sorry for my error, add the Cooper case as last on my focus list.
Fortune and fame are key notes here..competition is another..Bruce goes to the library, Robert goes to the library..we do a test, Robert does is own test etc.
I can’t speak for others like Robert does but I just don’t want anything to do with working with someone who has been banned from multiple Cooper outlets..his reputation is pathetic to say the least..some buy into his nonsense..that doesn’t make you jealous of anything. I’m not going to be involved in something I don’t believe in, or is full of contradicting statements. not to mention the fact of failing to look into accusations made about Kenny before deciding what is fact, or try and make it appear to be factual..those are dirty tricks..you find this in the political ring. make things look bad, or truthful…
Robert has done so many nasty things to Bruce it’s amazing how he’s aloud to be here in the first place. he throws everyone in the gutter and then turns around and asks for help? sure things have been said about Robert, but he has been constantly doing the same for over 5 years (non-stop)..it’s not a one way street. including nasty comments, name calling, bad behavior of members..all things he’s suppose to be against…smoke and mirrors…
No accident, Dan. The autopsy of JBR clearly showed an intent to kill. Was it the brother? Most likely, thus the cover-up by parents.
I agree, the evidence is clear that JonBenet’s death was no accident. Her brother was cleared by the cops and the DA based on good evidence more than 20 years ago. There’s simply no evidence that the parents covered up anything. I think that the parents had some ideas on what might have happened, but they couldn’t substantiate their ideas with any hard evidence at the time. The damage to the victim’s remains tells the main story, so does the way she was staged or posed. Review the evidence of the three examples of the word “delivery,’ on the first RN page. The letter i’s serve as figurines and the manner in which the letter i’s were put together is a departure from all of the other letter i’s on the RN. These figurines show violent and deadly “intent.” I’ve posted diagrams on Nanette’s board about this subject. Now, whether the people that rigged the Ramsey murder like it or not, I state with perfect certainty that the “Victory! S.B.T.C” cryptic sign off represents as set of decimal coordinates that land within 2000 ft of the intersection of Burke St (her brother’s name) and Garret Rd (the truest pronunciation of the device used to end her life). This is a very simple encryption puzzle that many grade schooler’s can follow and understand. I’ve explained it many times now and I’m not gonna repeat it here. I’m very very confidant in what I report about the Ramsey case. I also offer up the most sensible explanations regarding the taunting documents found in the FBI’s Cooper FOIA files, and it seems that I’m the first person to do so. Those same taunting documents are also laced with evidence showing linkages that myself and other’s made long before I ever saw the Cooper case documents. The overall evidence supports the idea that our main suspect was leaving a bomb behind that was meant to unmask the people that were responsible for all of these criminal events.
Mountain News or Adventure Books?
MN is run by a truth- to-a-fault editor, Bruce Smith. AB is run by a master weasel, Robert Blevins.
Shutter says in part:
“Robert, you have a completely closed forum and you blast me..you need to be contacted to gain access when all they have to do with me is join the forum..how is what you are doing any better than what my forum, or others like Websleuths does by having links exclusive to members..your whole forum is exclusive, shutout to the general public..the blue screen of death shows up. I have a member stating he wouldn’t post if it was any other way..you can’t please everyone Robert..”
That’s true enough. And Ricky Nelson said the same thing in the famous song, following it up with “so you’ve got to please yourself”. After reading one nasty comment after another on this thread, you can see why AB decided to go with the closed forum. It’s no big deal anyway. No one talks about you or yours over there.
By the way, I wasn’t banned from multiple forums. Just yours. And that was decided BEFORE you actually created the forum, remember? You discussed this when Bruce was temporarily hosting Cooper comments after Dropzone shut down their Cooper thread.
Come on, man…if none of you want anything to do with AB on anything we do Cooper-related, why in the heck would you want to visit our little nothing forum? To hunt and search for some little tidbit you can use to complain to our server? (again) That would be your only purpose. I know that. YOU know that. In reality, the AB Forum is just a more convenient way for us to communicate Cooper stuff among a few people we know and trust. That’s it.
This thread has deteriorated into mostly a back-and-forth hatefest. You want this, you want to know that. But not really. I don’t care what you guys think about us, or even me personally. At one time I did, to a certain degree. Now I simply don’t care that much. 🙂
One thing I wanted to point out FYI: When they closed the Dropzone thread, many of you blamed that on me. UNTRUE. I went to some good sources and ASKED why. This is what I got…
(get a pen and paper now)
The DB Cooper thread was closed because too many people were private messaging Sangiro with complaints about other members. Sangiro is the Head Honcho for Dropzone. One of the complainers was just a regular skydiving member of Dropzone. The others were people who still post on Shutter’s site. I was not one of them. I never made a single complaint about anyone else at that website. It wasn’t closed down for CONTENT of POSTS. It was closed down because Sangiro got tired of the complaining messages.
Some of this information came to me from a well-respected member of Dropzone, a person I have met personally….Jeannie, aka ‘Amazon’…a long term member of the site. She is a person beyond reproach, the kind even YOU cannot drag through the mud.
So I would really appreciate it if you would stop blaming that closure on me, if you please.
Robert, once again it has nothing to do with wanting to join your forum..you can’t sit here and preach about shit while doing the very samething or worse. it’s been extremely minimal with discussion about you in a long time..you splatter this crap all over the place, not me..
Get it right, I know that’s tough for you..
“banned from multiple Cooper outlets”
who shut you down Robert..stop lying even more than you have been caught at in the last couple days…it doesn’t work anymore.. I decided not to allow you on my forum..get over it..
Just the thread alone has pegged you..multiple people saying you are unstable, and multiple people calling you a liar..you put the final nail in the coffin joining under a false name..it’s YOUR fault..and it’s my right to say who is allowed on MY forum…GOT IT???? if your name is brought up…go cry in the corner..I don’t know what to tell ya..get over it..Greg don’t like it..man up and talk to me about..stop wasting this threads space about your drama..
go somewhere where nobody will question you and everyone loves you…
Robert, the DZ was closed because of the bickering you created…how did it start here, by me? no, by YOU..this is thread is on the same path with Bruce stating possibly shutting it down..you keep saying you are leaving when you haven’t even made an attempt..just more lies. Cooper who? it’s all about the treatment of the victim named Robert Blevins..you do no wrong..can’t even admit when you get caught lying..over and over shutter shutter shutter..
this is a DB Cooper thread, but you have turned it into a bickering platform exactly like the DZ..how come this doesn’t happen when you are not in the picture, tell you anything?
“Folks – this thread has run its course on Dropzone.com. It has long turned into a bickering platform for 3 or 4 individuals.” not you, right?
Here is what would happen if you left for a couple days..some comments would continue about you and then it would slowly get back to discussing Cooper..once that happens you would chime in with some sort of instigating comment causing everything to return to the drama you need like a junkie needs a fix. you jam up threads with all this nonsense..
Funny how you keep bringing things up…and then claiming those same things have nothing to do with what you’re talking about. That makes as much sense as a cat using a marble floor for a poop box.
Where would you possibly get the idea I would want to join, or post, at your forum?
You keep talking about ‘multiple people’ say this or that about me. None of them have ever met me, except Bruce, and that was briefly…and many years ago. Online psychiatry is a rather poor science, and not well studied. The people I actually know, in REAL life, do not share your opinions. But that’s okay. You can go that route if you wish.
I don’t know, or even CARE what is said about me over at your forum. Not any more. My last visit was months ago, and I had Greg dispose of the screenshots anyway. 🙂
Robert, where did I say you want to post or join my forum?
They don’t have to met you Robert..the actions speak for you or they wouldn’t make those statements. real life is not online life Robert…two different things..
” I had Greg dispose of the screenshots anyway.” more lies like removing shortcuts no longer bringing the subject up etc. etc. 🙂
lets see if you can go one week without bringing up my name..just talk about DB Cooper..you claim you don’t go to the site, but knew what Andrade said about his book…you don’t allow it on your forum so you should take you own advice and do the same here? how hard could this be for a stable person….
Shutter: This back and forth has been going on with you since January, when Bruce published his ‘Flap About the Letters’ article that received 1,100 plus comments. Don’t you think enough is enough? Maybe you should bring up something Cooper-related here ocasionally. Something where you don’t use the words ‘liar,’ ‘dangerous,’ or ‘unstable’? It would be first for you. Try it sometime. 🙂
Nothing has changed. Nothing WILL change. AB still moves forward.
Even when I try to give you the straight scoop on things around here, you twist things around a great deal anyway. I was foolish for giving you the opportunity to participate in finding out the truth regarding Kenny’s house purchase…and you keep misquoting me on that one anyway. When I asked you for a quote where I said I HAD this promissory note in my possession, or had actually SEEN it…you come back with ‘your posts IMPLY you did’.
Baloney. No they don’t. I plainly stated several times that I had word there WAS a note covering part of the purchase. The WordPress article was fairly detailed on that point. But that’s what you do. You get nervous when I start giving you the straight-up, because you see that as a threat to your ongoing negativity. Holy shit, what was the matter with me…thinking you would actually WANT to know the truth on the house? Now I have to do all that work myself, spend more money, do more legwork and a little more travel. No worries, though. I will get to the bottom of all of it.
bLIEvens, you are the one trying to show that the house purchase was “suspicious”. Thus, you are the one who should be paying, and should be doing the legwork. YOU are the one making a claim that needs to be proven. Further, it’s ridiculous that you haven’t done this already. This should have all been done before you released your book the first time. But, that would have interfered with the lie that YOU created about the house being bought with cash.
bullshit, you claimed several times to have the note..even stating what was on it..you have come unraveled trying to explain the contradictions in the statements you make..
nice try 🙂
“Robert, the DZ was closed because of the bickering you created..”
No…that is NOT true. Georger was suspended at least twice, and then finally banned for good for making personal comments about other users. DZ didn’t care about the content so much of the posts, and were willing to let the thread continue. I was suspended once for a few days for responding to another one of Georger’s famous insults. (Years later, he still does that to almost everyone at YOUR site TODAY.)
‘Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…’
The problem came when certain Oliver Crangle-type people began sending messages to the Adminitstrator. Sangiro. And he got tired of it. (Crangle is a Twilight Zone character who reminds me of certain people investigating the Cooper case.) Some of the complainers were either current or former members of your website.
But here’s the really weird thing: Because some of your own members caused the closure of Dropzone Cooper, YOUR site actually became the number one website ON Cooper…today. Tell me that isn’t bizarre somehow. You should be thanking Sangiro and Dropzone for shutting down the Cooper thead. I know that sounds strange, but I think it’s the truth. 🙂
DISCOVERED….what does that mean…why wouldn’t you have something so critical to the case..because it wasn’t discovered…
stop lying…
“An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered”
“An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered”
2013
explain to this board what that means..explain how you started the post reading over documents you had and began with the note…in detail mind you…
then explain how you were going to ask for permission to post it on the AB site?
“Discovered” may have been a loose term. We got word from the owner’s son that a note existed, and that was how part of the home was financed. I pretty much laid the situation out clearly in the WordPress article.
Quit worrying. We’re going to find out the truth on the whole thing anyway, plus any other real estate transactions Kenny was involved in, prior and after the date of the hijacking. One thing you have been right about is that we should have done this years ago. Frankly, after the movie deal came along, I started to care less about the case because I figured just the movie alone would bring out the truth on KC and Geestman. I don’t mind admitting that I was a little tired of investigating Cooper and had other things going. An autobiography, outside book edits for money, (our main source of income at AB) the eclipse trip to Oregon, heavy participation at a Nissan support group website. Cooper was taking a back seat to all of that, especially after November 2016.
However…you did motivate me to get off my dead ass and back into active investigation on this one. So I will do it. But I don’t think I owe you any public revelations on the results. You talk about me? Hell…I only asked you to send readable versions of the documents you already collected and posted publicly. You couldn’t even do THAT. More work for me, a little more from the AB debit card. So you do NOT get to see the results. That will be restricted to the AB Forum members, (there are only a few of them anyway) and the production companies.
“then explain how you were going to ask for permission to post it on the AB site?”
A legit question for once.
Since any new info on the house purchase might fall under the confidentiality agreement we signed with the production companies…I thought I might not be allowed to do it. I have done some back and forth with them this week about it. They finally said it would be okay to release such info onsite, as long as I didn’t allow any more ‘Nicky B’ types on board the site. But they want me to provide any information to them first, BEFORE any posting. I think the best course is to do what they ask…let them see it all first…and see what they say THEN about posting it to the AB Forum.
I have to be kind of careful. I don’t think they would cancel the picture over house information, but I can’t take a chance on screwing up their plans somehow.
“Discovered” may have been a loose term. We got word from the owner’s son that a note existed, and that was how part of the home was financed. I pretty much laid the situation out clearly in the WordPress article.
Hogwash…
“An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house”
Now, for the tenth time..you also write in the post that you were LOOKING over new documents about the house and start with the note..now you give the bullshit story of it being a loose term..a note existed but nobody seen it and yet you state whats on it? you go further to add that nothing was ON the note about a down payment…that’s a flat out lie…it is what it is Robert..
“Hmm. Well, I’ve been comparing documents on the sale of the house in Bonney Lake. I’m not completely done with this investigation quite yet, although I’ve discovered some interesting things.
Apparently, Kenny was quite fond of using promissory notes. An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house, but doesn’t mention anything about a down payment or any arrangements on the OTHER half of the price. ”
this was shortly after we did the truth work for ya..we found documents you never looked for or cared about. the agenda was “paid in cash” and was as a matter of a FACT for years, even stating with a smiley that you knew how he did it. you kept trying to find ways to link a quick cash sale to continue the extra cash Kenny shouldn’t have..
you keep getting upset for things you have done..I had nothing to do with what you posted. I’m giving it to ya straight brother..sound familiar? the rest of the post is you going into assuming what everything means that you have found on the documents..no mention of you assuming what was on the note..you explained it all..you forgot what they are menat for though..
the note should of told when the amount should of been paid, instead you only talk about signatures and no down payment..you were looking at a wall is what you were doing sir..
Promissory Note:
a signed document containing a written promise to pay a stated sum to a specified person or the bearer at a specified date or on demand.
How about this quote..can you give it to us straight and tell us how you knew the following?
“I’m going to direct you to Geoff Gray for proof on how Kenny bought the Bonney Lake house for cash. He was the first to claim that as fact, also correct? So ask him how he found out. (*smiles*) And although I already know the answer, I’m not doing other peoples’ homework anymore. It’s a trust issue. It’s a Cooperland thing.”
this is why I question things Robert..it’s what we do…
Here’s the simple truth. bLIEvens isn’t going to make any information public if it doesn’t in some way implicate Kenny as being DBC. If it does implicate Kenny, or if he can at least spin it that way, then he will release it. If this promissory note in any way made Kenny look guilty, it would have been continuously put out there in the public repeatedly over the years. But it didn’t imply anything at all suspicious, so it was swept under the rug and forgotten about. That is assuming that Robert M (Make up a bunch of shit and see what sticks) bLIEvins was being truthful when he said the note had been discovered. There lies the bigger problem.
He posted the comment around the time we found the documents proving it wasn’t paid for in cash..Skipp didn’t mention anything about it, nor did Robert when it first came about. he goes on to say him and Skipp came up with the reasons why the house could have been paid for the way it was..he also mentions the family stating a note was probably there in a later post..he did a lot of postings to go along with the topic of the moment and these are what change over time.
I found this while looking for something else. you are correct, if he actually had the note he would of posted it over and over not even knowing what it meant. he doesn’t state anything about a time frame of payment which is the whole reason for a promissory note. instead he rambles about signatures and no down payment on the document. since he doesn’t really have the information and time goes by he forgets that post and goes back to the truth of looking for the note..he was getting hit hard with losing the cash for the house deal..then the documents for the selling off of the land for $300,000 is uncovered explaining the mystery money he had prior to his death ” we did a thorough check on Kenny’s finances and can’t explain why he had so much money, it’s a mystery”
we have him on record here stating he was trying to locate the note..then I posted his comment from years ago and he goes into damage control and comes up with Gayla reminding him of it not being allowed to be posted due to the film contract..implying again he had the document. now, he tries to claim it was “a loose term” even though he explains he’s looking over documents about the sale of the house and starts with the note? I can’t make this crap up if I wanted to..
You guys sure know how to instill confidence. Or make someone change their minds on releases of information.
Or maybe not. You can call me all the names you wish. It only solidifies my position that I was right to keep any more information regarding KC, his house, his HORSE, (if he had one) private to a select group.
You can bitch and whine about that all you want. If you were in my shoes, you would definitely do the same thing. You are under the mistaken impression that AB owes you something. We only owe to the people we work with, and a few trusted friends. No worries, though. Sooner or later, I will release everything we gather on the sale of the house. Just as soon as the production companies create a website page on the movie. But not until that time, or unless they cancel the picture at a later date.
The AB Forum, however….will never be open to the public. On that one, it is application-only. Now, and into the foreseeable future.
You guys keeping missing the basic concept here. When you went the name-calling, dirty-trick route…(and continue to do so)…you also gave up any rights to priveleged info from AB of Seattle. You have shown not only a lack of manners…but that you cannot be trusted.
You guys sure know how to instill confidence. Or make someone change their minds on releases of information.
you have claimed several times that you don’t have the document..are you changing once again to having the document?
make up your mind dude..put up or shut up..
Robert, it’s you that can’t be trusted…that’s a fact…you are showing desperation to it’s fullest..nobody cares about your forum..it’s what you claim here and on other forums..
you have lied…plain and simple..the comments were made by you, and only you..
“unless they cancel the picture at a later date.”
they can’t, it’s a “Historical Fact” 🙂
Common signs of a Narcissist:
They’re likable — at least, at first glance.
They can often be found in leadership roles.
They always manage to make the conversation about themselves.
They’re also guilty of name-dropping.
Not every story a narcissist tells is one of victory. But even in the stories of tragedy or failure, there’s an air of entitlement and victimization.
They are strongly averse to criticism.
Excuses are a narcissist’s best friend.
They leave a trail of wreckage behind them.
Everything is personal.
A narcissistic person probably has no idea he or she is a narcissist.
How to Spot a Sociopath
Look for a lack of shame.
See if the person is constantly lying.
Notice if the person is manipulative.
See if the person has a huge ego.
Consider if the person likes to isolate you.
See if the person is immature.
Look for gaslighting.
Since sociopaths lie and deceive, they have the tendency to make the victim look and feel as though they are the problem that the sociopath is causing. The medical terminology is “projection”. This is a calling card of the sociopath.
just sayin 🙂
Can we just have a place to discuss the Cooper case? Bruce could you start a place another thread where Robert and Shutter can argue and there can be a separate one for everyone else?
Unlikely to happen Daniel. When it comes to infiltration and manipulation, Blevins is one of the great “take over” artists on the internet. He seems to thrive, even when ganged-up on. Never seen anything like it.
Don’t waste your Google-sourced psychobabble on me. Just makes you look silly, you know. 🙂
“you have claimed several times that you don’t have the document..are you changing once again to having the document?
make up your mind dude..put up or shut up..”
Reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit. Several times on this thread, and in the WordPress article I said that I found out from the owner’s son that the promissory note existed. Not that I HAD a copy. And further….that I was taking steps very soon to find it by working with the Grimes family. You ignored all that, of course.
As far as your reference to ‘isolation,’ I will assume you mean the AB Forum. Yes, it’s a private message board restricted to IDENTIFIABLE PEOPLE we know. And we’re not the only people who do that. For example, at Quora dot com, where I am a member, you are required to post under your real name and identity. There are no usernames.
You are also encouraged to fill out a complete profile showing other users WHY you qualify to answer this question or that. Of course, you can try to make up a false identity to join. But you wouldn’t last long. Several famous people answer questions there, including Orson Scott Card and others. The tone is generally polite. The first time you start going after another user on a personal level, they just ban you anyway. Quora generally ranks about #40 on the internet in the USA, making it a very popular site. Currently, I have more than 600,000 views to my answers there.
From REAL people. 🙂 So why would I need another public discussion board, where I have to worry about people like you scrabbling around the site like mice, looking for a bit of cheese to report? Been there, done that.
UPDATE: On a side note more important than a bunch of name-calling and bickering…
Word is out from True Ink, Geoff Gray’s website that hosts ‘The Peoples’ (race) Horse’, that the horse has lost an eye in a freak accident. That is sad, considering all the work Gray and his friends have done. They aren’t counting out their horse quite yet, though. The latest posting says other one-eyed horses have gone on to win races.
Still kind of a bummer for them, though.
Shutter quotes me this way:
“Apparently, Kenny was quite fond of using promissory notes. An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house, but doesn’t mention anything about a down payment or any arrangements on the OTHER half of the price. ”
Hmm. I vaguely remember that post. You quoted it correctly, yes. I may have been trying to convey what I knew about the note without giving the actual source. Is this post recent, or are we talking prior to March 18th of this year? If it was before March 18, I may not have wanted to give source details publicly. On March 18th was when I published the article about the house sale at WordPress.
You come at me with so much extraneous crud inside your posts here (sometimes) that occasionally I have trouble figuring out what the hell you’re actually ASKING, you know.
Grimes’ son said there was a promissory note, yes. That is covered the remainder of the sale.
He told me this when I questioned him on the OTHER half of the purchase price.
Said he didn’t know a lot about the house sale, but he had heard it concerned KC, and he knew OF Bernie Geestman, although he did NOT personally know Geestman.
He then pointed me to other family members who knew a lot more about all of it than HE did.
I will soon be interviewing some of them. Yes, I will get to the bottom of it, even though it will cost more money and more travel. I’m sure Gayla will be reeeeel happy when I use the AB debit card on more Cooper-related stuff. Well…maybe not. 🙂
Gayla knows everything going on, just like Greg. you tell them everything, right? you have a ton of money coming in from the movie and you are worried about a few bucks for documents, really? why don’t you call the county and see if things can be obtained by them at a cost that might be cheaper than traveling. just more excuses about doing the right thing, amazing. why would you be so against the truth? you are drowning yourself trying to play the victim..this is part of it Robert..
It’s painfully obvious what you stated years ago. yes, a note was probably involved but you claimed to have it. “discovered” then claimed to post it until Gayla stopped you lol..
“isolation”???? where is that mentioned?
11th time. it is what it is. Grimes only states what was probably there (promissory note), but yet you say it’s been discovered and give details about it. to date they have only stated a note was involved. your trying to claim the family told you this lol in the quote above..bullshit
you don’t read or comprehend very well either..the statement was made when we found the documents about the house..that means years ago..many. try and keep up. I’ve said plenty of times, even the year..
there could only be one source..the family. who else would have the note other than Kenny’s family lol. this wouldn’t be a source to keep from exposure. it’s obvious who would have these documents so trying to cover the source would be silly…what, Fred down the street had it lmao. only two parties/families would have documents about this..where is your lease, Greg have it lmao.
your next truth behind the note should have the due date on it..everyone knows who’s signatures should be on it..the note is for the remaining value, not any down payment, what is OWED on the loan or promise to pay..interest rate etc.
remember, you don’t really want to find it’s been paid for quickly..it was genius what he did 🙂
Shutter: I am fully aware of when you found the documents on the house, and the year, yes. I have seen SOME of them. Others are not readable publicly. I have also credited you in certain venues, includiing articles I wrote at WordPress that give you credit for that.
You keep talking about a promissory note that a family member was certain existed on the house…but no one, including me, you, or Hobo the Office Cat, has ever actually seen it. Now I’ve been very plain about that. So there’s no use in you telling me what should or should not be on that note. I already know that stuff.
This is why I decided to get to the truth on the house. Not because it would ‘prove’ Kenny was the hijacker, but because it’s just another piece of the puzzle on him. It could be a second source proving that Kenny was spending beyond his means. I have full confidence in the claim that Kenny loaned $5,000 in cash to Bernie’s sister Dawn Androsko in April of 1972 so that Bernie could rid himself of his sister and her four kids, who were all living with Bernie and his then-wife Margie Geestman. This claim has been backed up by several members, iincluding Helen Jones, a key witness against Kenny who was just a family friend…and knew all of these people very well. Even Bernie Geestman admitted to knowing about the loan, and the amount…but denied any involvement in the transaction. But family witnesses, including Bernie’s own sister…have said he not only approached Kenny for the money, but delivered it to his sister as well. We believe them. And I have spoken to them on this matter personally, face to face.
If we can find a copy of this note, or get a notorized statement as to its known details, it could point to a second large cash outlay by Kenny in the same year. A year where he was allegedly making $512 a month before taxes, living in a crappy little apartment down in Sumner, WA. Next thing he’s loaning out five grand, buying a house to boot. The letters home saying he’s broke suddenly stop. He now has money for gifts, and helping others. He even changes his wardrobe, according to witnesses. Never again wears the toupee he owned, according to Margie and Helen Jones both. The list of changes in his life from 1972 onward are amazing.
You should have seen what they said about Kenny and Bernie regarding Thanksgiving dinner at the Jones’ place the year following the hijacking. As you know, Bernie and Kenny skipped that dinner in 1971, but everyone got together as normal the following year. Jones had a few interesting things to say about that.
Still…none of those things proves Kenny is the hijacker. It’s what I call secondary evidence, circumstantial evidence. What we’re banking on is the testimony from certain members of Geestman’s family to finally put the lid on Kenny and Bernie once and for all. Now…we already have quite a bit in that department, and some of that has not been released, either.
YOU believe I should release any information we gather on the house sale publicly. And I ask why you think that is? Not that it would cost me that much more at the County Clerk’s office, but there is a moral point here. I asked you to provide a couple of documents you released already, but simply can’t be read online. You say no to that, even though it was an easy request. WE continue to leave up a high-def report on KC and Bernie and the witnesses available for free download in PDF.
When you refused, I decided that only members of the AB Forum, and the film producers would be allowed access to any new information we find about the house. Seems fair to me. Come on, be realistic! You’re the same guy who caused our previous forums to get shut down. Then…a renegade member of yours…Nicky….caused a huge flap that resulted in hundreds of nasty posts right here. Dealing with you, or letting you see what we’re doing seems to cause us nothing but trouble. Why should I want to deal with MORE of that? That’s why we went private on the new AB Forum, which doesn’t have a Blue Screen of Death…but an email address you use to join. Frankly, it was your banned member Nicky who caused all that to a great degree. The only time you were justified in coming after our server with a complaint was when we posted up Georger’s phone number. Sure…I will admit that was wrong. But some of the other things you bitched about were fairly petty….compared to what your own members weree posting up about us over at Cooper Heaven.
We decided we just didn’t want to include you folks anymore in anything we didn’t have to. I offered you a chance to get involved with the house investigation, for a really minimal price basically…and you turned that down. Your choice. We move on.
Maybe Bruce should just make Blevins Associate Editor at the MN. Then we can file complaints directly to Blevins. Lol
Now that WAS funny, I’ll admit. Hmm…somehow I don’t think that would work out. 🙂
That is actually a good idea, as it would free-up Bruce. MN Cooper site has more traffic than Bruce cares to handle. All complaints filed directly to new Assoc Ed Blevins, and they will be NASTY
Complaints.
Splash screen at the AB Forum:
“This is a private message board for Adventure Books of Seattle. Registrations are invitation-only. To request joining, send your request to Robert, Gayla, or Greg at adventurebooksofseattle@gmail.com You will be sent a confirmation key in your email.”
Trust me, this was necessary…. 🙂 It’s no big deal anyway. We only have a few members and more than half of site content is just me fixing my ZX car for resale, pictures from camping trips, and the like. But pretty soon I’m inviting back some people who were on the FIRST forum, the one that was shut down because we published Georger’s number. And THOSE folks are a little skittish about their stuff being seen by just anyone. I was protecting their idenities. A couple of them who AREN’T being invited back are the same people who called you names…and I banned their asses. They will never be back. But we did have certain ‘lurkers’ who wanted easy access to what was going on with our investigation…and I was protecting their identities. So I will do the ultimate thing to continue that policy, by screening all new members and allowing only people who are/were involved in the investigation, or who we know personally and trust. It ISN’T a public board.
I have decided to offer a compromise, although it is a little trouble for me to do so:
1) I will (today) establish a SECOND forum that WILL be viewable to anyone who registers.
2) I will restrict registration to approval-only, but I will approve anyone who applies, even if they are also posting at Cooper Heaven…even Georger if he wants. Even Shutter. Anyone. The only person I won’t allow on board is NickyB. You can understand why.
3) This forum will NOT be viewable unless you register first.
4) If you are a person known to us…i.e. you have posted either HERE or at Cooper Heaven, when you register you must go with the username you currently use HERE, or at Cooper Heaven. (This is done to prevent someone from impersonating you.) If we even SUSPECT you are trying to impersonate a known personality in Cooperland, not only will your registration be denied, but we will ban you via your IP address, which is visible when you apply. So don’t try that, please.
5) No…we don’t need your real name or any of that.
6) Polite posts are encouraged. The first time you come after someone personally on that site, you will be banned for 30 days. The second time it will be permanent.
7) That’s my compromise. It’s the best you’ll ever get from us. I will post up the access link this evening, both here and at the homepage at AB of Seattle.
Hey bLIEvins, you gonna let MikeJ back on your forum? lol
Lol!!!
Yeah, and bring Georger back too.
Hey bLIEvins, I’ll think about joining your compromise forum if and only if you agree to let MikeJ join. There was just something familiar about that guy.
Obviously, I’m not serious. I’m not joining your compromise forum under any circumstances. You should still bring MikeJ back though. I’m sure you know how to reach him.
Well, hell. I’m glad you let me know how you felt about the whole thing, anyway. I’ll admit that was fair of you and all.
In that case, I won’t waste my time this afternoon running up another forum. My thanks to you for letting me off the hook on that one. I was having some regrets about my proposal anyway. 🙂
The idea of creating a semi-public forum at AB of Seattle is now withdrawn.
after the novel of comments…you still don’t get it..it’s very obvious you claim to have the note..you tell what’s on it and what’s missing but fail to note any due date..it’s ok, we have beat this to death..I’ll post it on the website with the other BS until actual proof surfaces…
you and Skipp go further to assume what all the documents mean..
why would I need to post on your forum? no thanks..
There is no forum for you to post to…:)
Never said I actually HAD the document. Said I heard from a credible source there WAS one. As you know, we are checking that out in depth very soon. You can post whatever other baloney you like. But anyone who contacts me about it will receive the same answer I gave you. And when the results come in, they will be posted to the AB Forum…but not until the film producers see it all first and give approval. I WOULD have made it public, if you had cooperated with us. I was given permission to do that, but only if it were a joint investigative effort.
Just so you guys don’t think you’re being singled out for unfair treatment regarding the private AB Forum….I even turned down the guy who runs the place listed below in the link. And I know him, but not personally. He made a recent request to join. (We get about two requests a week, on average.) I told him he could have his interview, yes. He could call me, yes. Forum, not at this time.
I’m glad you guys saved me the trouble of creating another forum, though. I was worried you might actually take me up on it. 🙂
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Never said I actually HAD the document. Said I heard from a credible source there WAS one.
NO YOU DID NOT…
Well, that’s what the WordPress article says. And that’s our best, and latest information on the subject. You can believe what you think, I guess.
Besides, it doesn’t matter. I guess they finally caught Cooper. Wouldn’t you know it? News report below. 🙂
the credible source only knows one was made…you stated one was found and you stated you were looking over the documents and started with the note….no if’s and’s or but’s about it..then you tried again stating you would post it and Gayla stopped you…I’m not repeated it again..
after you posted all of that…on the same post ( years ago) you claim that you and Skipp came to a conclusion as to what it all meant..5 years ago you said the same about the family only knowing a note was involved. the whole post is bogus, even 5 years ago the family only stated a note was involved so you would still have no reason to make that claim…
the post you made way up top shows Dennis saying a note was there and I believe another member (sister?) was the one with the all the paperwork and it still hasn’t been found..what you said years ago is not true, plain and simple..when the family says a note was involved but hasn’t found it, how can you post one was discovered and go into detail about documents you have and find interesting and start with the note? signatures, no down payment mentioned etc..that could only be true if one was found. the post is completely false…that’s the bottom line buddy..
Shutter: Trust me. If I had the promissory note right NOW…I would probably post it up…
Just so you would quit whining about it… 🙂 Give it up. We don’t have it yet.
‘Yet’ being the key word. If it exists as we were told by Grimes’ son, we will find it. And fairly soon. Have some patience. My free time off for travel is limited enough as it is. If you want a timeline, I will wrap this little bit of PI work by no later than July 3rd, because after that time I will be more busy on other projects than I am now. So I’m shooting for next weekend.
“Give it up. We don’t have it yet.”
“Hmm. Well, I’ve been comparing documents on the sale of the house in Bonney Lake. I’m not completely done with this investigation quite yet, although I’ve discovered some interesting things.
Apparently, Kenny was quite fond of using promissory notes. An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house, but doesn’t mention anything about a down payment or any arrangements on the OTHER half of the price. ”
🙂
Yes, I know what I wrote, and it’s plain I could have been more clear about this issue, both in the FBI report version online, and in other posts.
But the bottom line is that although I had to jog Dennis’ memory a bit about the house sale, he was sure there was a note involved. And that his father would have required payment on it…not over a 19 year period such as was done on the mortgage…but much quicker. The first word I got on a note about the house sale was from one of Geestman’s family members, originally. This was after you discovered the mortgage paper. I started seeing the numbers didn’t add up. Sure…some of the house was in mortgage, but what about the rest? I started asking around. Then I decided to track down the Grimes family.
If you don’t believe such a note exists at all, how do you explain the payoff on the remainder of the balance on the house? Some comments about the contents of the note are admittedly guesswork, yes. But it was educated guesswork, based on the amount of the mortgage versus the total amount paid for the home. Something just wasn’t adding up.
You’re fretting like a chicken waiting for the feed to be tossed. Have a little patience. We will find out what is what on this note, and it won’t take long.
Robert, you don’t follow very well..WE ALL agree a note was probably used to purchase the house, it’s been said dozens of times. …I’m in zero hurry about the conclusion..I was posting contradictions in your statements..that doesn’t mean I’m sitting on the edge of my seat wondering about the house..I don’t see anything criminal or out of the ordinary to begin with..you can make it that way but it doesn’t mean it’s true..
we have comments that don’t add up..it’s been ten years and neither you or Skipp could find the answers that should of been pretty simple to find out..a P.I. failed to do it, you have been saying you will get to the bottom of it since 2010..including bogus comments making things worse. then you whine about driving (again) and using a debit card…cry me a river dude..get the job done already..stop acting like you are on top of it..8 years is a long time..
correction” not since 2010..the first couple years you were cramming down people’s throats that it was purchased in cash…lets change it to 2013 when we found the documents..so you have be procrastinating for 5 years…
And until not that many years ago…most folks thought Richard McCoy was the hijacker. So what’s your point? You have over posted on this subject, sometimes three or four in a row…waiting for me to return…
So you can tell me you don’t CARE about the issue? Who is fooling who?
Neither you or some of your compatriots have the sense God gave a goat. When I made the offer about the semi-public website, I never said you had to POST there LOL. It was an opportunity to PRIVATELY share what we knew with you. Not like you haven’t asked me to do that a few times. Or more than a few times.
You weren’t even smart enough to pick up on that offer. 🙂 Do you know how difficult it is to present stuff just using a comment thread on a WordPress site? Not like using a regular forum, where you can easily attach pictures, files, etc. Plus this place (because comments are filling up again) gets slower to load all the time. Plus there are no editing functions. Once you hit the comment button that’s it.
After doing the online research, I have determined I will have to visit the Pierce County office and do an official filing for a major records search. Any results, due to a complete lack of even the most simple cooperation from Cooper Heaven means THIS:
We’re not sharing a thing beyond the AB staff, the few members at the AB Forum, and the producers of the film. Frankly, since you brought this on yourselves, (rejecting everything as usual LOL) you can just wonder what we found. 🙂
As I said earlier: If bLIEvins finds something that seems to implicate Kenny, he will share it as fast as he can. If he finds something that can’t be twisted to make Kenny look guilty, he will sit on it and claim lack of trust as the reason he won’t share it. Personally, I could not care less. Every piece of evidence that has came from bLIEvins is garbage. Kenny wasn’t Cooper and no amount of lies and half truths can change that, but he sure as hell has tried.
correct, it’s a lot easier to write how he believes it was done..it’s just like those political promises that never come about..how can you even consider making a movie with so many loose ends? Olive oil would slip through that noose lol..
He’s like a machine, Parrot. Programmed to defeat all incoming detractors and enemies. How do you defeat a machine? Can he be unplugged?
“I’m going to direct you to Geoff Gray for proof on how Kenny bought the Bonney Lake house for cash. He was the first to claim that as fact, also correct? So ask him how he found out. (*smiles*) And although I already know the answer, I’m not doing other peoples’ homework anymore. It’s a trust issue. It’s a Cooperland thing.”
In the post above written by you take note of the last part…let me post that part for ya…
” I’m not doing other peoples’ homework anymore. It’s a trust issue. It’s a Cooperland thing.”
You have had ample time to get this straight (minus the storytelling). stop “projecting” and do your own homework like you asked others to do…. 🙂
my job is to challenge evidence not babysitting…stop whining about me and do your job. it’s been 5 years of the same old “I’m looking into the purchase of the house”
A full decade is right around the corner and telling us how you think it was purchased is a cop out. go get’em straight shooter 🙂
Oh, I am working on it now. I’ve already made some preliminary inquiries and a few phone calls to set up appointments.
I see a complete dismissal of the upcoming picture as basically a pack of lies. What makes you think that the production companies would invest so much money in a movie without doing their research on what was provided to them. Hell, if it were that easy, I could convince them a movie about the last time I was visited by aliens would be a big seller.
Before you pass complete judgment, remember this: A lot of info on Kenny and Bernie Geestman was NOT released publicly. I saw that comment on how we ‘always release everything right away’, etc. Well…sometimes. Not always. And nothing really new for about 18 months. Anything discovered during that time went straight to the production companies. Not even AB Forum members are granted access to that stuff.
Just a small point. But important to remember, I think.
Nah, not really.
I’ll believe there’s a production company involved when I see it.
“Oh, I am working on it now. I’ve already made some preliminary inquiries and a few phone calls to set up appointments.”
Is it live or Memorex 🙂
Is this another old post 🙂
Do I hear a fat lady singing in the background 🙂
(blinking yellow lights) Men At Work 🙂
“sooner or later the truth comes out” (5 years later) 🙂
In all fairness Robert, millions are wasted on films, pilots etc. we don’t see half of what’s actually made in Hollywood..
I think it’s possible a movie is on the table..time will tell..
Well, there are two thoughts I have here. First, even when I try to deal with you in a straight up manner, and offer you some legit opportunities…you reject everything. I think you will eventually regret all that.
Second, the nasty stuff I get mostly comes exclusively from Cooper Heaven, a place occupied by individuals who would look like complete fools if it turns out that KC and Geestman actually pulled off the hijacking.
This is why the first thought exists. Let me give you a partial example of a typical message I get from folks from the REAL world:
“Dear Robert:
I consider myself an “Advanced Enthusiast.” I’m also a fan of your work, both in print and on Youtube in regards to your theory on Kenny Christiansen. Since our last email exchange, I’ve been in full research mode, quietly studying the case and making my way through the history of the Cooper forums. I prefer to lurk because I’ve noticed a an exorbitant amount of infighting and professional jealousy within the Cooper Community. A lot of it unfairly directed at you and your theory. I’ve even felt some of the hate myself, after making a comment about Kenny on a Youtube video. Seems like anytime I mention Kenny, I get quickly swatted down by haters. Such a shame!
To further my research, I’d loved to be a part of your invite only forum. I promise you that I am in no way affiliated with anyone that has hassled you in the past…”
Robert says: Initially, I turned this guy down for AB Forum membership. I do KNOW him, but I have not met him. I think I may change my mind and allow him on board. These are typical of the messages I get by email regarding Cooper, although they differ in content. Some say what this guy said, some ask a question, some want an interview.
But nobody…I mean NOBODY except folks who occupy Cooper Heaven, do the things, say the things that Cooper Heaven does. So if you believe your small group speaks for the public, or for your definition of ‘everyone,’ you are mistaken.
Stop whining..this coming from a guy who attacks a dead friend, and lies about it…save your emails..start working on the truth and not so much with the obsession you have with me..
you always bring the forum up to cover your bullshit…you know, the forum you don’t go to, don’t care about, don’t talk about….just lie about..
stop trying to act like things are so horrible that you keep talking about..kind of sounds like the case against Kenny…half ass work..show all the horrible things Robert..nothing will compare to the crap you pulled here…show them, stop whining about it…remember, you are trying to say a majority of people say these horrible things so load up the tape pal..
it’s funny how you keep saying small little group when you have a micro-group lol..
“Stop whining..this coming from a guy who attacks a dead friend, and lies about it…”
Oh, I freely admitted doing that to you. Yes, I did. But compared to the hundreds of nasty things you’ve said about me over at Cooper Heaven over the last four years, it was a pathetic effort on my part. No way I can compare to The King of Rock and Roll, believe me. No worries. I won’t try that one again. You’re the pro. I’m nothing but a rank amateur. 🙂
As far as the number of current members at the AB Forum, that’s a secret. I won’t exaggerate it, though. Not that many. But everyone feels safe there, and that’s the main thing.
It’s all water under the bridge, old news..stop the whining and go back to your little safe space lmao..still waiting for those horrible things that make your poster feel unsafe lol..is that the new things now..safe space closed forums..
hopefully he can read all the lies you have posted here…he might need to escape..I think it’s more of a brainwashing forum. member of a closed forum committed suicide today, film at 11 lmao..
soft music in the background chanting “you will conform, you will conform” lol
at least you don’t have to make up phony members and talk to yourself trying to convince people it’s active lol..
“Shutter: Trust me. If I had the promissory note right NOW…I would probably post it up…”
“I will message the producers, see what they say about this. They might be okay with us posting it up at the AB Forum.”
“where did I say I had the note” lmao
“Apparently, Kenny was quite fond of using promissory notes. An additional promissory note on the sale of the house has been discovered with (again) the names of Joe and Ann Grimes installed. This one is for one-half of the actual sale price of the house, but doesn’t mention anything about a down payment or any arrangements on the OTHER half of the price.”
Straight from Seattle on K-LIE..
I decided to post this, no wait, I don’t want to post this, no, I’m no longer posting this, no, hang on..I’m done here, this should be easy to forget, no wait, I’m done with forums, no, I’m going to open a forum, blah blah blah, I’m out of here and blocking your email, no wait, email me what you have in Hi-rez, no, I’m not telling you about the movie, a sizzle reel is coming, no, a movie trailer, I’m too bust to post will be back a a few days, no, I need to post something first, now I’m out of here, no, the movie IS reel, no more updates, I’m leaving you losers, no, wait..you don’t know me, I give it to you straight, I’m out of here, no lies, I’m not cut out to do forums, I’m opening a forum, the site is closed to the public, the site is now open to the public, for good, no, it’s a closed forum, a safe space, Gayla had friends over that’s why I’m up late…
Brother if anything, I’ll give it to you straight lmfao…
You’re just on a regular Hate Festival tonight, aren’t you? You could least bring a musical act to cut the boredom a bit. 🙂
That “I have to be right on EVERYTHING…ALL the time…” stuff will eat you alive.
That “No matter WHAT it takes, I MUST prove Blevins wrong on EVERYTHING…” (even if means allowing trashy comments on your website that you once swore to forbid) goes to credibility and points to an obvious agenda almost everyone except your closest supporters sees for what it is.
The more you bash your head against the wall with the Negativity Campaign…the more your results get diminishing returns.
The less you actually work with people, the MORE you get left out in the cold.
After all your efforts, all your postings…you really haven’t accomplished much at all, have you?
I don’t get left out in the cold, i’m in Florida. it’s cold a lot where you are, no? 🙂
Not a “Negativity Campaign” more like a mythbuster 🙂
Not a “Negativity Campaign” more like a lie detector 🙂
all this stuff has been eating you alive since February 2014 🙂
I’m not the one who goes around the internet gossiping like some old lady.. (whiny voice) Shutter hates me, Shutter won’t help me get the documents I should of had a decade ago, I’m a victim lol.
I don’t have to PROVE anything..you do that all by yourself. you come after me about comments and yet you can’t handle it when the light shines your way..these are comments you made, not members of your little closed safe space…
Sizzle reel should almost be done, any updates, or did it “sizzle out” 🙂
How about the movie trailer, or did that fall off the hitch too 🙂
hopefully it won’t take as long as it does to “get to the bottom of how the house was purchased” it’s only been 5 years with the same quotes from the family…
might take me over 5 years but one way or the other he either had a note or he didn’t and the truth will be left on the cutting room floor 🙂
I’ll bet you are still awake..damn Gayla and her friends lol
I don’t side with Robert Blevin’s positions very often. But I don’t think that his primary detractor is Shutter. Certainly not Parrotheadvol. They all have a friendly little war going on here, mostly over Robert’s inability to present evidence that would make his story more believeable. Blevin’s detractor of ten years in the making is over at Shutter’s site, the Forum. There, Georger continues his decade long attack on the Blevins Machine. But alas, “FLYJACK” has asked the quintessential question of Georger, “when are YOU going to leave the nest?” The bird can’t get the worm unless he flies on his own. Great post, FLYJACK.
You are commenting about two different topics..if you had to take a guess of how many posts a month Georger does about Robert, what would that number be?
Taking things out of context are we Ted? only one person I know does that..
Georger made the comment about leaving the nest..
Georger :
All eagles must Fly.
When are you going to leave the nest?
I could pose the same question to Robert M Blevins! (so hateful lol)
Flyjack:
After a decade, you should be asking yourself…
this snippet had nothing to do with Robert, his name was mentioned..
It’s a low count, Shutter, because Robert is banned from your site, where Georger does all his posting. But it’s the steady drizzle over the years that has bothered Blevins. Blevins doesn’t forget shit, especially who’s been swinging the longest. Nothing has changed since the days at the DZ. Georger does this to antagonize everyone. Ask Bruce. That kind of belittling and condescension can run it course on a person after awhile. Blevin’s fallback is always the DZ or something about “nasty comments” from long ago. That’s how he remembers his enemies. And who are his real enemies? I believe Georger is near the top. FLYJACK gets it, as do others. Anyway, enough said.
you sound very familiar….
if he stays away from the site like he keeps saying..YOU wouldn’t have any problems..it’s like a TV show, you don’t like it, change the channel…
Robert put himself in that position all by himself…no, nothing has changed from the DZ..it’s right here…
strange that I correct you and you come back defensive?
Shutter: Look, if you’re hinting that TED is me, forget it. I don’t know who he is, and that’s HIS business. But he pretty much hits the nail on the head on the situation. I have a couple of add-ons to his comments. When you established that website of yours, (yes, I call it Cooper Heaven) I was even endorsing it publicly for a long time.
But then Georger, you, and a few others continued your relentless attacks for a long time. And I had no way to respond to them. So…I started quoting over pieces of posts at Cooper Forum I knew to be either untrue or just plain slander, name-calling, etc. You even allowed my home address to be posted…and then came after our own forum successfully when I published Georger’s phone number in a response to one of his nastier posts.
To be fair, i have resisted the urge to visit your site for about four months now. So I don’t know if you allowing this kind of behavior any longer. And Greg, although he was monitoring your site and taking screenshots for about a month, no longer goes there either. For I all know, this crud is no longer happening. I like to believe it isn’t, even though I’m probably fooling myself.
It all came to a head about a month ago with the meeting with Greg and Gayla. Greg dumped this big pile of paper on me, and said: “Look at this. This is why we should send in a complaint.” He meant the approximately 150 pages of screenshots with either my name, or Gayla’s name, attached to them. Most of the posts were just plain BAD, and included one where you gave your Final Notice for people to stop doing that. Which didn’t work, by the way, and you continued doing the same thing yourself.
In the end, I nixed the whole idea of a report to your server. It was hard for me to swallow, but I decided the Cooper Value of your site was something I had to put above my own wishes, even if your users, and YOU, continued what your were doing. So now I don’t go there anymore. And releasing information to you guys is something I don’t want to do anymore, either.
I dunno. Kind of gave up on you guys.
As far as the private forum at AB of Seattle, hardly any posts there and I turn down most people for joining right now. No one talks about you or your website there. It isn’t allowed. In fact, content there is minimal right now. It’s more or less a holding tank for now, waiting for an official announcement on the movie. After that, I will open it to the public.
Shutter, I didn’t say I was Robert Blevins fan or believed his story about Ken Christianson. But I do know that he is guarding his turf and he has done some field investigation with his own original work. To me, that is commendable on its own. Bruce understands the value of field work. I’m not arguing with you personally, Shutter. All I’m saying is that you have a lead poster at the Forum who posts with great authority on the subject matter, yet he has done no field work or original investigation to my knowledge. He brags that he has relatives in the F BI
and deep inside connections with some principals, yet he doesn’t share his own work, or any insider’s info at your forum. He’s a commentator. He takes the work of other investigators, writers or researchers, disseminates what he needs, then writes scathing remarks about the people who did the work. In my opinion, this is intellectual laziness and thievery. It borders on investigative plagurism. On top of all that, his snide comments speak to his stuffy personality, which frankly, is not anywhere near as nice as Blevins’. Anyway, that’s my two cents and my opinion, whatever its worth.
Georger knows a lot about the case, just because he didn’t go in the field doesn’t mean he’s not as valuable as anyone else. Galen doesn’t share much either, where do you draw a line? he also has first hand knowledge, not many have that or FBI contacts. Bruce is a reporter, Georger is a poster. Robert has a suspect that requires a lot more ground work. what would happen if Robert lived in New York? Cooper is in his backyard so it’s not right to blast others not in the area..both Robert and Bruce are in Cooper country..I’m in Florida so am I a bad person because I don’t fly to Washington throughout the year? this is not my job, it’s a hobby..
Is Georger perfect, hell no…he doesn’t like Robert, it’s very obvious..months and months have past without Robert being mentioned but you could go to his forum and it would be full of what you see here..Robert was banned for multiple reasons..it’s not my fault he can’t comment on the forum. he doesn’t go there anymore, he says it doesn’t matter etc. etc. and yet here we are talking about it and most of you are not even members or give any indication as to who you are..Ted made a statement about usernames but failed to answer Bruce when he asked for a last name..phony poster galore on this site and you guys talk about me?
the argument about Robert and Georger on Palmer started on the DZ..it’s not my fault they never resolved it..take t up with Georger..
TED: It’s probably better if you DON’T venture anything positive on any possibility (right now) that KC and Geestman might be the perps in Cooper. Reason being…I can’t release everything we know as of June 2018 on these guys, so it isn’t fair to Cooperland in general to endorse them, especially by me. Just isn’t fair. The last thing I released was the Troy Bentz evidence, but that’s where it stopped, and that is due to the confidentiality agreement we have with the studios.
It’s actually better if everyone ceases talking about KC and moves on to some other Cooper-related things in the case. My hands are tied, and there’s not a damn thing I can do about it right now. They could even cancel the picture on me for violating the agreement I signed.
(*laughs*) Tell you what, though. You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve wanted to say the hell with it and just tell everything we know. But due to the present situation, dropping KC completely as a discussion subject is probably warranted.
I’ll tell you one Cooper thing I’m still not satisfied about. I still think the Seattle FBI is feeding bullshit to people on the chute that was found in Amboy, WA back in 2008. I’m still not buying their bullshit explanation on it, which was actually NO explanation at all. That story, that explanation, especially with the Earl Cossey angle attached to it, just doesn’t make sense. They dismissed it as evidence. I inquired twice about later, two years apart. First time, they (Sea FBI) said: “It’s evidence in an ongoing case. We can’t discuss it.” Second inquiry, I reminded them they had DISMISSED it as evidence in the case five years previously. I got the same answer. Something smells to high heaven about the whole damn thing.
The Robert The Liar Report: (sort of based on the Jakob the Liar thing movie. 🙂 )
I thought about this for a long time today. People keep calling me a liar in relation to certain investigative statements in the Cooper case. I have listened to, and read these things for a while now. After much thought, I have identified only TWO times I have INTENTIONALLY lied during this whole rigamarole, and I will list them for you. Anything else you might quote was not a lie, but a mistake on my part, and there is a difference. (For example, when I trusted Skipp Porteous’ assessment that KC bought his house for cash. He was allegedly in contact with Geoff Gray at that time, and I was NOT. I did not have Gray’s contact info for verification. And this was PRIOR to Gray’s book coming out.) So I took Skipp’s word it was the truth. My mistake. Skipp later regretted telling me that, and I raked him pretty hard for not cooperating with Geoff Gray during the investigation anyway. After Gray’s book came out, and made no mentions of Bernie Geestman, or any of those people, I knew Skipp had cut Gray from the information loop. He later admitted that was a mistake. Didn’t help things. I met gray in August 2010 at that Seattle bookstore and gave him everything we had on KC, etc on a flash drive. To sort of make up for Skipp’s actions. But it was way too late. The book was already out. Below are the two ACTUAL times I have lied in the investigation. I mean…for REAL, folks.
1) When I talked about Shutter’s friend. And I regret that, but I was pretty angry. Still not an excuse.
2) When I said that I was in possession of the actual report done by Dr Leonard Palmer on the soil investigations he did with the Portland State University at Tina Bar. That was a lie.
The reason it was a lie is because I was in the middle of making inquiries about obtaining the report, both with PSU, and other sources. And I was assured it existed, and I would get it. So…I foolishly said I already had it, or it was coming, whatever…when I knew I might NOT get it. A couple of months later, it became obvious none of the sources were going to come through. They couldn’t find it, or it no longer existed, or maybe only the FBI had it.
So yeah, I lied there.
Ted, why are you so worried about someone you don’t know or even converse with on a site you don”t visit? you guys fill up this site complaining about another site your not part of? the bickering goes both ways..2,000 comments here and only 50 are related to Cooper due to what I’m understanding now is about Georger? I suggest you take up your problems with Georger and not me! the comments about me were going on for months prior to my involvement. two wrongs make a right here?
Robert, you have conflicting statements about a lot of things surrounding Kenny. there is no way around some of the things you state. you toss around the word liar a lot but whine when it turns it’s head!
My forum has close to 22,000 posts and I’ll bet a very small percentage surround you. not every single post with your name has any sort of a hint of a personal attack as you always claim. the last comment Georger made that Ted posted wrong isn’t anywhere close to needing removed or discussed. accusations and attacks can be found here as well and once again before I came into the room. Robert, you are bringing up things from years ago and yet when it’s reversed it’s not a problem with you (water under the bridge) Georger is your enemy, well I can’t help you with that. what good would it do if you went on my forum to address problems with him..this would happen.
late for work in the real world….
If you only steal two things, you are still a thief.
If you only murder two people, you are still a murderer.
If you only tell two lies…..
“If you only steal two things, you are still a thief.
If you only murder two people, you are still a murderer.
If you only tell two lies…..”
I’m NOT a thief. I’ve never killed anybody, not even in the service…
And if you are going to post something like that, insinuiating YOU have never lied in YOUR lifetime…
Well, you can see where this is going. 🙂
TED is right. Anyone who ventures even a peep of defense regarding Kenny, myself, etc gets jumped on. As far as Shutter’s comments about his website, ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PAGES of screenshots says it all. The print copies of those I tossed into the trash. The computer images themselves avaialble on request.
Not late for work, but I do have to get moving.
The evidence is now ample that Ted is “bLIEvens.” The evidence is also ample that bLIEvens is primarily a killer’s camp operative. The SKY MARSHALLS envelope “dagger/Christian cross” figurine is also found on the Ramsey ransom note. This same evidence is just subtle enough to prove itself valid. Remember that the threat of mass murder WAS the main backdrop of the Cooper caper. bLIEvens=Robert M Blevins, serial “after the fact” LIAR in a case of terrorism.
It’s not about me bLIEvins.
I’m not the one proposing a suspect. When you do that, you are going to be under the microscope. The same microscope, by the way, that you have put Marla and Tom Colbert under in the past. You have a history of saying things about Kenny Christiansen that simply wasn’t true. You have contradicted yourself many many times. Your investigation into Kenny, was very sloppy and poorly done. You are the little boy that cried wolf. Even if you put something out there that is true, no one is going to believe it because you’ve been wrong and dishonest too many times in the past.
And yes, you are a liar.
Shutter, you should probably defer your comments against Blevins and TED until you tame your own boys over at the Forum. The flatulants are building in Iowa City. Lol
actually you guys should contact Georger if you have a grievance with him? is he here bothering you?
The “Georger Vortex” and now “flatulents building up in Iowa City?” ha ha. That’s funny. Sounds like Shutter has a “Georger” problemo. Georger has been getting free parking for a long time. At the DZ he got towed a few times and snuck back in. Mr. Blevins won’t allow him a parking stall and Bruce Smith has too many rules about parking. So Georger just gets his free parking over at Mr. Shutter’s site. In fact, Georger got to be the parking police at Mr. Shutter’s site. Free parking! More Free Parking!! Georger is disgruntled 24/7 and starting to really piss people off over at Shutter’s site. Why the hell doesn’t Georger fire up his own Cooper site? Answer: Because no one would show up. Mr. Blevins would get more traffic than a theoretical Georger Cooper site. Bottom line: Georger is a cheapo who’s been using people for his own needs since 2007. And he’s an offense dude. Just ask SKYJACK. SKYJACK is wise to all of this. Go check it out at the FORUM. Georger is getting old and cranky (er) by the day. He’s your liability, Mr. Shutter. Like TED said, he wants all the info from everybody else so he doesn’t have to do the work. Then he badmouths everyone who contributed. Despicable, really. Just ask SKYJACK.
Robert, you keep implying 150 pages..I have a rather large amount about you and members of your forum’s..your pages are from the past just as mine are..nasty comments were not a one way street..at all. .
I also told you what happened when you posted Georger’s phone number..how could I complain about someone else’s number? Nicky is on record that he tried to shut you down but you keep implying I did it..just like the “bypass” thing..both wrong. I bypassed you..I told you I didn’t want to work with you, period..if you think that’s hateful, then have at it..I tried to complain twice and was told that the links needed to be provided..since I was running on a proxy they didn’t show up in the upper right hand corner..even if I did get through it would have been for a reason just like you have done..you even tried it here but nobody can do it to you? if you do get shut down it’s for a reason, not the complaints but the TOS violation..my complaint goes back years ago…I’m not going to try and shut someone down for shits and giggles..
this was posted way up in a reply to Ted..
Georger knows a lot about the case, just because he didn’t go in the field doesn’t mean he’s not as valuable as anyone else. Galen doesn’t share much either, where do you draw a line? he also has first hand knowledge, not many have that or FBI contacts. Bruce is a reporter, Georger is a poster. Robert has a suspect that requires a lot more ground work. what would happen if Robert lived in New York? Cooper is in his backyard so it’s not right to blast others not in the area..both Robert and Bruce are in Cooper country..I’m in Florida so am I a bad person because I don’t fly to Washington throughout the year? this is not my job, it’s a hobby..
Is Georger perfect, hell no…he doesn’t like Robert, it’s very obvious..months and months have past without Robert being mentioned but you could go to his forum and it would be full of what you see here..Robert was banned for multiple reasons..it’s not my fault he can’t comment on the forum. he doesn’t go there anymore, he says it doesn’t matter etc. etc. and yet here we are talking about it and most of you are not even members or give any indication as to who you are..Ted made a statement about usernames but failed to answer Bruce when he asked for a last name..phony poster galore on this site and you guys talk about me?
the argument about Robert and Georger on Palmer started on the DZ..it’s not my fault they never resolved it..take t up with Georger..
“Take it up with Georger.” You complain about others not using their last names or real names. Georger? Really? What’s his real name? Get your own house in order before complaining on Bruce’s site.
Mr. Greene, I’m commenting on things here..that’s the topic..this is The Mountain News, Correct? I’m pointing out things I see here, not on my forum…
I’m not complaining about usernames, someone else was..you are taking that out of context..I don’t have a problem with usernames..Ted and Robert do though..you are defending things they believe are wrong, not me..
I have a username “Shutter” so I wouldn’t complain about them..when I read about people that do and refuse to comply…that’s a problem, no? everyone knows Georger doesn’t like to use his name..I’m guessing now you guys will post it ..making it wrong once again..it’s a never ending circle here..
Ahem…our investigation into Kenny Christiansen and Geestman was not ‘sloppy’. I take objection to that. It was COMPLICATED. There is one very large office drawer set here full of nothing but files, pictures, recordings, travel receipts, and interview notes. Do you think that investigating a forty-plus year old cold case was easy? Hah! You bet we made some mistakes along the way. It was bound to happen. Sometimes we found out we were wrong and got the right answer on our own. Sometimes others brought it to our attention. Either way is good.
And I wouldn’t do it all again for any amount of money. Not a chance in hell.
And by the way there, Terry Batcher….I am not TED. And the Cooper case has nothing to do with Jon Benet, Scorpio, etc and neither are any of those cases linked. The only way they are linked is that they all happened west of the Mississippi River.
My opinion is that NO ONE should post up Georger’s real name. Big deal. Most of us know who he is anyway. It’s not like some big revelation, so I would leave that alone.
I’ve been asked about usernames and our forum. I don’t *necessarily* have a problem with usernames…EXCEPT…when people use one as a convenient shield to attack other people. Then I have a problem.
When I made my offer to open a Second Front Semi Public Forum, I only asked that if anyone registered that they use the SAME username they use on other Cooper forums. And that I would verify they were who they SAID they were. That’s so we would know someone wasn’t trying to impersonate known folks in Cooperland.
And I pointed out that some big-name websites like Quora require you establish your identity so other users can see you are qualified to answer this question or that. Some fairly famous people answer questions there. Like sci fi writer Orson Scott Card, Wiki co-founder Jimmy Wales, and the actor Ashton Kutcher. Quora also verifies your profile to make sure you (again) aren’t impersonating someone else, or saying you have a PHD in rocket science when you don’t. This approach gives the site much credibility. So it’s nothing new. Nothing I thought up on my own.
At the AB Forum right now, sure…some have usernames. But we know who they are in real life. That’s how they got on board.
The Cooper case and the Ramsey murder are linked by the documents…and I’m sure that you know it! You’re willfully ignorant of the real evidence in the Cooper case, while you’ve spun your Kenny C malarkey. I don’t assert the linkage by one document alone, but when it turns out that at least two of the subtle but curious little figurines that are found on the SKY MARSHALLS envelope are also found on the Ramsey ransom note…that’s “smoking gun” evidence of linkage. The BD Cooper documents, that’s right “BD,” support the linkage and my workmanship. I was already making the linkage from BD to Ramsey long before I studied the Cooper case. And, FYI, former LA detective Steve Hodel rightfully links the Black Dahlia case to the Zodiac killer cases by the documents. However, Hodel is WRONG in naming his father as the Zodiac killer. Why?, because his father always wore a mustache and the Zodiac killer did not. The simple fact that the SKY MARSHALLS envelope hadn’t made the rounds prior to the Ramsey murder is also very important. BTW, the Scorpion, not Scorpio spree is Nanette’s specialty and work, not mine. This proves again that you’ve been reading our postings. Our suspect left a journal using intentionally misspelled words and other devices. Page two of the Ramsey RN carries the message “The [Zodiac/cross hairs symbol] not Speaking” between lines 7 and 11, which is no doubt a gambling business hint. The word “The” in that same message is identical to the one on the 22nd written line of the first RN page, and is a mimic of a Zodiac killer document letter style called ‘PARADICE SLAVES,’ the same of which is another gambling business hint. BTW, bLIEvins, I know and have observed far more evidence of linkage than I’ve posted for public consumption, but that which I have posted is more than ample to support my workmanship. Also bLIEvens, I don’t talk to you, I talk AT you, because you don’t deserve any respect whatsoever.
ParrotheadVol – Didn’t mean to leave you out there. Do you live down in the gutter with that name-twisting, name-calling stuff just HERE…or do you do it as well over at Shutter’s forum?
Just wondering. You are the perfect example of what I was talking about back there when I mentioned about usernames and anonymous attacks. At least when I come after someone, by God they know EXACTLY where it’s coming from, baby. No one snipes at them from behnd Chicken Shit Rock, which is down near Bushwhacker Canyon You know that place, right? 🙂
parrotheadvol has you pegged, bLIEvens!
Well, I got YOU pegged as well. But it’s not real polite of me to discuss that.
Let’s just say I think you’ve seen ‘A Beautiful Mind’ just one too many times… 🙂
The connections you claim between these famous cases sound just like a certain scene from the famous film.
LOL, 10 ×. Hilarious stuff TC
That may be the funniest post ever on DB Cooper. btw, who does field work anymore? You could be outstanding in the field by sitting in your basement hitting the keys at 2am
…….without ever leaving the basement. lol.
Look…I know Georger does not like me, but picking on him personally won’t make him any friendlier. He is what he is. A bit of a grouch but he does know quite a bit on the Cooper case. Don’t feel singled out. He does what he does to almost everybody, which at least says he gives equal time. 🙂
bLIEvins, if your name comes up on Shutters forum, I won’t say anything there that I won’t say here.
As far as you not knowing who I am, that’s your fault if you don’t. I’ve told you my real name in the past and where I live.
No worries. I don’t actually care WHO you are. As Bruce Willis said in ‘Die Hard 2:
“I got enough friends…” 🙂
bLIEvens
I see in my email box this morning, I’m being asked to go on a major documentary being done on Cooper. Same people who contacted me a year ago. They say they finally got green lighted. Details at the AB Forum, but I may have to pass if it conflicts with my film obligations.
Truth is, I’m not sure I want to do another one of these.
Wonder who all will be bypassed for that documentary??
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“Wonder who all will be bypassed for that documentary??”
I’m not going there. You’re speaking about the producers doing the Cooper picture, of course. Their main complaint was that they said the Cooper Forum was useless for research unless you registered first. (None of the links and pictures you guys post up are visible to the public.) And they weren’t ready to say who they were. Water under the bridge. Besides, on that one, you guys rejected everything that was proposed, so it wouldn’t have made any difference. I actually understand why you would say ‘no participation by us’ to a movie basically about Kenny Christiansen. It’s okay.
I’m sure they will contact you if they want to. You guys aren’t really hard to find, you know.
EDIT: I have decided NOT to post up information on the upcoming documentary on Cooper over at the Adventure Books Discussion Board. (AB Forum) I figure that the producers of this documentary, (no, they aren’t the same guys doing the movie) will find anyone they wish without my help. I may not even go on the show anyway. I told them I had a temporary agent now, and gave them a name to contact. I already did two TV appearances for free. If they want me on a third show, I’m going to ask for scale, at least.
When I went on Decoded, they offered either $2,500 or $5,000, I would have to dig out the old release, etc. But the point is I actually lost money because I had to close down the cleaning business for a week at least, which cost me about $1,500 at that time. Then they sent me off to Twisp for a final interview with Margie Geestman and that was like $300 in expenses. I don’t know if I want to do all that again for nothing and just take another loss.
These appearances don’t really boost booksales, either…believe it or not. Hell, we sell about the same number of copies every month, with only minor differences from month to month, and it’s been like that for over seven years.
At the Cooper forum, there is a person that will be coming out with a documentary that has Sheridan Peterson as their suspect. They claim that he was never cleared by DNA. I always thought that he had the skills to do it.
Maybe I’m mistaken, but I think it’s just a report that he is pushing, not a documentary. I don’t think Peterson was Cooper, but you are right that he absolutely had the skills to do it. More importantly, 377 makes it sound like he probably had the balls to do it.
So, I may have spoke too soon. Just read over at THE one and only Cooper forum that a documentary is in the works.
“Just read over at THE one and only Cooper forum that a documentary is in the works…”
Yes. They’ve been researching for about a year. Contacted me last summer. Project was just green-lighted this week. If they get hold of you, they are legitimate. They’ve won some good awards for their previous work, according to their website. I encourage you guys to cooperate with them…but a warning. They aren’t into drama, at least not the soap variety. 🙂
Nah…I checked with them. It’s not the project going over at Cooper Heaven. This is different. They are a major film production company with a great many documentaries already out there. Lot of awards, according to their website. I guess I should ask if any of you want me to send them your information? Or would you rather just wait? I’m surprised they haven’t got hold of Cooper Heaven by now. They may get around to it, though.
I’m not going to post their information online because I don’t know if they would want me to do that. However, you can contact me privately if you wish. Insulting messages will be ignored. 🙂
And by the way….TED is again right. I saw YouTube comments, some very nasty, from some of you who post here now. Going after producer Pete Berg from Decoded? Just because he posted up a five minute clip on the Decoded/Cooper show? Berg’s a nice guy. You guys AREN’T so nice…and by the way Shutter….
When you quoted the Geoff Gray article saying that Gray insinuates that Kenny was having sex with kids? That was total baloney. Gray never said any such thing in his article. Did you fact check this with him first?
Last time I read that article, it said Kenny had NORMAL relationships with GROWN FOLK. Some were even Kenny’s old Army buddies. That was according to the young man who lived with Kenny for years, Kenneth MacWilliams. He should know. He was there when Kenny died and was willed the lot out back of the house.
You guys REALLY are desperate, aren’t you? 🙂
No wonder you’re getting blown off by media these days. LOL.
So, let me make sure that I have this right:
bLIEvins is suggesting that it is wrong to misrepresent or lie about something that Geoff Gray said. Is that right?
(I suppose that saying that Gray was the first to say that Kenny Christiansen paid cash for his house when that IS NOT the truth is an exception to the above).
parrotheadvol, given the fact that you’ve got bLIEvens pegged, I wanna point out the evidence that bLIEvens and possible associates of his have and are attempting to hijack several things about the subject of Cooper and then in turn dominate the narrative. Chronology is the best way to pin him and others down on this. Before I start to point out these things, bear in mind that my message here will be about an anonymous YouTube poster calling themselves dbcooperdecoded, and while this same person’s video claims to be from 6 years ago, I’m not sure if that’s accurate or not? If so, why hadn’t it turned up earlier for me? I just know that it occurred long before Brad Meltzer Decoded or bLIEvens posted anything similar. I was already tipped to look into the Cooper caper several months before I saw dbcooperdecoded’s video. As soon as I discovered his video, I started my thread on 1-16-15 titled: ‘The DB Cooper caper and Zodiac Jack linked?….Absolutely, says the sum of the evidence!’by TerryB Several pieces fell right into place for my main associate and myself. We were able to augment and straighten some things out as a result of that same video.
Yet another questionable character on the periphery of this stuff is a guy calling himself David Gold. Gold claims to be an expert on the Zodiac stuff and also tried to claim that Kenny C’s name is hinted in the Reno Newspaper/ hospitality letter. I caught Gold being less than honest and full of crap about several things, so I posted a basic Zodiac case riddle for him to answer. He avoided it for some time, and I got more insistent about it. Here’s the riddle: “What noun do absolutely ALL of the picture cards sent in by the so-called Zodiac have in common?” BTW, I posed this same riddle to some other people in order to make the point that their powers of observation were deficient, to put it politely. The answer to that riddle is the noun “jack”. All of these items have a “jack” noun involved. A one eyed jack on a jack ass, a jack-0-lantern skeleton card, etc, etc.
In the Cooper caper, we have a sky’JACK’ing, we have a ‘hi jack’ footnote on another document, just to point out two items of evidence. Also noteworthy is the fact that the cutouts came from two copies of Playboy magazines, that have Playboy “bunnies.” Wouldn’t a ‘jack’rabbit be attracted to a bunny? Get it? My associate very aptly pointed out the “water” hint too, with the cover model underwater with her eyes open! The “eyes open” hint has historical significance that we can point to in more than one case.
I understand that the Cooper caper had a profound and traumatic effect on at least one of the stewardess. So when you see the taunting document that claims “no harm done,” don’t you believe it. This guy threatened to blow up that plane if he didn’t get his way.
And yes, the Ramsey case has at least one huge “jack” hint that came after the fact. It came in the form of a stuffed toy “jack” rabbit mysteriously found on JonBenet’s grave! And, the cord used to end her life appears to be nylon parachute cord…hint-hint!
Are you suggesting that Cooper, the Zodiac Killer and Jon Benet’s killer are the same person? I hope that your not. That would be a very tough sell.
We don’t believe that the same person actually carried out the Ramsey murder. We show a lot of evidence that the same person composed all of the documents. Just the simple fact that the SKY MARSHALLS envelope alone has some subtle little figurines found on the Ramsey ransom note is a smoking gun. It might be a tough sell to all of the people that have been programmed subliminally by the media to believe that the parents were involved in the vicious murder of JonBenet. But not a tough sell to those who want answers, and to those that are already onto the fact that the people running the majority of our news media outlets from behind the scenes, are not to be trusted. BTW, it’s “you’re not vs your not. If you wanna get talked “to” and not “at,” watch your tone with me! I bullshit no one!
TED only shows up when he has something to counter, or to rebuff Georger. Don’t expect TED to be a regular poster here, Robert. TED is a one-trick pony with one target in mind. However, TED’s new friend over at the Forum appears to be FLYJACK, and I’ve heard they are now in communicado. These dueling sites have spawned strange allies.
Thanks loads, big mouth. Last time I’ll be talking with you. The guy with issues is over at the Forum. SKYJACK knows about it. Shutter is just slow to get the message, or at least figure it out
Terry, as far as the Jon Benet case, I do suspect her brother. The DNA that cleared the family was on Jon Benet’s underwear, however on a brand new pair you could DNA off that as proven as proven by Dr. Henry Lee for CBS. I don’t know that her brother did it but the people that worked for CBS presented a strong case against him. I do suppose that if there was enough evidence that they would have charged him. I hope that the DNA tests for the Zodiac Killer can point to one person. Hopefully they will.
Her brother was cleared and in writing by both the cops and the DA., based on a thing called forensic evidence. You’re espousing the false stories perpetrated by CBS and Critical Content, aired back in Sept of 2016. That same nasty episode of out and out lies earned all involved some serious lawsuits that they will most certainly lose. DNA probably won’t work in the Zodiac case. BTW, Henry Lee is a stooge in a stuffed shirt. Werner Spitz is known in the business as a “liar for hire.” Whomever your really are Daniel C. Meyer’s, you aught to be ashamed of yourself!
typo correction: Whomever you really are Daniel C. Meyer’s, you aught to be ashamed of yourself!
I am me, I am not somebody else. I aught to be ashamed of myself for what? I haven’t done anything wrong. You’re the one being all defensive because I don’t buy your theories. I do believe the experts that were on CBS over some asshole that’s on an internet forum. What credentials do you have Terry?
Who said anything about “theories,” you did, that’s who! The totality of the evidence that we’ve gathered and point out, stands on it’s own merit. If you’re not bright enough to realize or admit the significance of, for example, the SKY MARSHALLS figurines being found on the Ramsey ransom note, then you’re “in over your” head in terms of comprehension. You’ve already proven that by endorsing the 2016 ‘Case of JonBenet Ramsey’ string of lies, that you’re a lousy rat…and RICO rat too! Practically every subject that those criminals addressed was laced with readily provable lies. You’re most definitely the one that has earned the “asshole” moniker.
If you think that I’ve assailed you unfairly, then go read several books on the subject of the Ramsey murder, then read our postings. Her death was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident. My guess is that you’re bLIEvens or another similar racketeer. Who the hell are you? Who the hell is this bLIEvens creep? Why does Bruce let bLIEvens post here anyway? Isn’t it supposed to be about the Cooper caper and the evidence therein?
Blevins you can be sure that as long as Jerrydine is off his meds, TED, Dice, and Flyjack will be reporting. They all have Jerri’s number and will respond accordingly. You are no longer a sole target.
ParrotVol says:
“So, let me make sure that I have this right:
bLIEvins is suggesting that it is wrong to misrepresent or lie about something that Geoff Gray said. Is that right?
(I suppose that saying that Gray was the first to say that Kenny Christiansen paid cash for his house when that IS NOT the truth is an exception to the above)”
You are right…but only to a degree, and there ARE big differences. What I did with the house was a mistake, based on inaccurate information while I was working with Skipp Porteous. It’s complicated, and we were examining SCORES of things at the same time regarding Christiansen and a whole host of other people he knew. And…when Shutter brought that new document to my attention, I had to make some corrections. This was not the first time, nor was it the last, we made errors during the investigation or went up a blind alley. However, after MORE research and a couple of more interviews, I wrote a comprehensive article about the whole thing, which you can see here:
On the other hand, you (and some of your friends) continue to perpetuate the idea that KC was a child rapist without the slightest shred of proof. And the really pathetic part is that you’re not doing that because you REALLY believe it’s true. You do it because that’s all you’ve got left. You’ve tried just about every other dirty trick in the book, and some that weren’t even invented until KC came along. And none of it really worked. So you pulled out the last pathetic trick you had left.
But no one is really buying that, either. I told Cooper Heaven something a long time ago. When you go the negative route, it’s like beating your kids. Works at first very well. Later, it starts to have diminishing returns.
Gypsy23 says in part:
“TED only shows up when he has something to counter, or to rebuff Georger. Don’t expect TED to be a regular poster here, Robert. TED is a one-trick pony with one target in mind. However, TED’s new friend over at the Forum appears to be FLYJACK, and I’ve heard they are now in communicado. These dueling sites have spawned strange allies…”
Pfft. You should see some of the emails I used to get about Cooper Heaven. They are fewer now, because I guess some of the hardcore folks are backing off a bit using my name. (Except HERE) But some time ago I would get these messages. Some of them even from media types who were put off by the site, mostly for these reasons. Constant negativity, unfair attacks, name calling, and that restriction on links and pictures being visible only to people who manage to get past Shutter first on a registration.
All well and good, sure. But…a lot of people who research Cooper don’t WANT to bother with registering just to see what’s there. You should log out and visit as a guest sometime and see what I mean.
Now that is Shutter’s business how he wants to run that site. Okay, fine. But if you’re trying to reach the public or the media, it’s a piss-poor way to do it in my humble opinion. Shutter has duly noted that opinion. But it really IS true that if you pull out all the stops and go full negative, that only works for a WHILE. Then people get tired of it.
I got a little miffed yesterday when I discovered that Shutter was now going after Pete Berg, a guy I worked with very closely during the Decoded production. Berg isn’t going to pay attention to that stuff. He owns his own production company now, and does stuff for National Geographic. He was also the person who spoke to KC witness Helen Jones, when she showed up on-set in Bonney Lake to speak to me. (I was 250 miles away in Twisp, WA doing the last interview with Margie Geestman…the one where she finally admits it WAS Kenny, and no one else, who went missing with her ex-husband for the entire week the hijacking occurred.)
If any Cooper Heaven members are reading this now, you’re not going to get anywhere with the production company doing the new documentary. They are serious folks, and not attracted to drama or internet baloney. Just saying. 🙂
Yes, too many posts in a row…but I can tell you that the documentary is a look at the entire case up to now, not focusing on a single suspect. In other words, it isn’t a repeat of DB Cooper – Case Closed, which was a complete fiasco.
Message just received from someone who hangs at Cooper Heaven. Hmm…Shutter is uninformed again. Atlas Media Corp? Mark Dalbis, casting guy?
They didn’t ‘bypass’ me for their project, Shutter. The one that never materialized.
I said pass, not the other way around. I knew who would be involved, and I wasn’t willing to work with you guys. Nice try, though. Would you like to see our emails? There are only two. His offer, and my rejection of it.
Next time go to the source for better info all around. 🙂
Let me add a few things between your anti-Shutter agenda along with other members of my forum..Mark Dalbis asked me in a skype conversation, prior to the email about a position on the show. he went on to explain that 4 people would be picked..and I asked him if one of them was Robert Blevins and if so I wouldn’t be interested. his answer was no..that was the extent of my conversation about you..lying to me wouldn’t help him because I would only back out if it were true..he never mentioned a decline..
the You Tube comment, it’s a comment. I’m not “after” anyone..no edits were made as you can see.
“TheDBCooperforum 3 weeks ago
The author of the book about Kenny is busy right now trying to downplay the fact of Kenny taking in underage runaways and showering them with gifts and taking them to expensive restaurants..the was verified in 2007 by Geoffrey Gray who first wrote about Kenny.
If you ask me he sounds like the modern day white van with no windows and candy on the dashboard type of guy..”
Is there more than one comment by me “going after Berg” as you imply?
last time I read the article it wasn’t 100% positive..McWilliams goes on to explain things were odd while living there, and others stated rumors were flying around town about Kenny’s actions. I’m not the only one who draws a different conclusion..lots of family members are SHOCKED when they find things out they thought were not true..Rose Edmiston, also in the article claims Kenny would be the last person she thought could be Cooper..she was the one who claims the rumors were starting around Bonney lake. that alone is not good for a person trying to keep a low profile..I wonder if this was reversed and an was article about LD or Rackstraw? even if it was nothing, if it occurred today you could almost bet a raid on the house would be done.
now, getting back to producers..NONE of them I’ve spoken with have I ever tried to say anything bad about you. I just don’t make it a point to do things like that with shows, podcasts, articles etc. nor do I set up camp on someone else’s forum and start in on people with the focus of Cooper waaaaaay way in the background. two wrongs never make it right…
Wouldn’t it be strange to find out that Atlas Media higher-ups decided to cancel the whole project because they discovered they couldn’t get any cooperation in Cooperland? That’s actually sort of funny if you think about it, and typical Cooper Vortex stuff.
You are not from the Bonney Lake/Sumner area. I grew up there, and still live just a few miles away. I interviewed people who knew Kenny, plus some of his old neighbors. Not a whisper of impropriety about Kenny regarding his sex life. The reason Rose Edmiston said KC was the last guy she thought could be Cooper was the same as Harry Honda’s reason: He was a nice guy, a quiet guy, the type you would never figure would pull off a crime.
Yet the people who knew him best, well…some of them like Dawn Androsko suspected he might be Cooper right from the start. In the case of Androsko, I think she put those suspicions out the window and just accepted the $5,000 from Kenny while looking the other way. What the heck. It enabled her to get she and her four kids away from the Geestmans’ and into their own home.
In the end, she definitely ID’d the tie clip from a photo as one she had seen Kenny wear previously on several occasions, but never after the date of the hijacking. The photo of the tie was a blind photo, without a caption.
Wouldn’t it be strange to find out that Atlas Media higher-ups decided to cancel the whole project because they discovered they couldn’t get any cooperation in Cooperland? That’s actually sort of funny if you think about it, and typical Cooper Vortex stuff.
selling the show as a year long series was the problem..I spent a lot of time with them and nothing was ever said about the drama other than Mark saying it’s not what they want..”we want to hear about the case and not behind the scenes”
Dude, you locked your best thread at the Forum……you know, the one where Georger and FLYJACK were openly exchanging unpleasantries. What’s up? Even Blevins doesn’t do routine lockdown. Forum the new Supermax? Lmfao.
Hi shut just wanted to see if there was any update on my current situation? .I know you mentioned you would ask some of the other members….maybe start a poll just a thought sir. Anyway I had a question has anybody heard that coopers hands were stained?
Thanks,
Nicky
Don’t count on it Nick. As much as we all love Shut, he’s also got stain on his hands.
Hi NIcky, can you tells us where or who from you heard this stained hands business? From my perspective, that’s very interesting. Any details that you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
I have not heard about Cooper’s hands being stained. I don’t recall how many fingerprints they found on the plane but I know it wasn’t many. That could be a possible explanation. Also Terry just so you know I post at the DB Cooper forum as Meydc. I am not Blevins or anybody else, I also have a facebook page.
Personally, I am pretty fed up with DB Cooper. No kidding. Let me give you some quick thoughts I haven’t shared with anyone except AB staff;
“If you’re gonna do the frickin’ movie, then just DO the damn thing and get it over with so I can move on.”
“I’ve done ENOUGH damn interviews…”
“Sometimes I almost wish somebody else would come along and solve the case, someone new, where they can PROVE their case, even if it ISN’T Kenny. Just to get it over with after all these years.”
“As circumstantial as the case against KC really is…I get a feeling it will break one way or another, sooner or later, and probably without any further help from me…”
“Troy Bentz is telling the truth about what he and his friends heard from Special Agent John Jarvis at that baseball game. The problem is whether Jarvis was operating from something he knew for sure, or whether he was just sort of giving his opinion…”
“The Cooper Vortex is REAL, the jealousy within the Cooper Community is REAL, and does more harm than good in discovering the truth…”
“Would I have approached Skipp Porteous about Kenny Christiansen back in 2009 if I could have foreseen the future? Not just no, but HELL no. I could have finished three more sci-fi books by now…”
I got the stained hands from two sources one a book from an fbi agent Mike Mcpheters who uses nicotine stained hands in his cooper description…the other source is the book the real mccoy…they said both mccoy and cooper had stained hands which authors rhoades and calame claim was from applying make up.
Nicky, thank you for sharing that info. From time to time I double back on the net and YouTube to see what’s being said about a certain subject. I found and listened to a YouTube video that was a podcast titled: ‘Stuff You Should Know – SYSK Live: The DB Cooper Heist !?’ Join Josh and Chuck live from Seattle as they (sky)dive into one of the most brazen robberies in the annals of crime and the only unsolved airline hijacking in American history.
I found the sense of humor and quick wit of these two guys very refreshing. I even played part of it for my 25 year old son and he got the humor right away. For the most part, these same two fellows have a pretty good knowledge base and recall. They made more than a few interesting points. However, there were a few things that I found myself interjecting comments to my son about, and I’d have to review the whole thing to tell you what those points were. My questions are: Have you heard this same podcast, and who do you think they got most of their info and “take” from? BTW, I just recalled a couple of things about that podcast that stuck out. 1) They were talking about the UNSUB being described as “swarthy.” 2) And while the UNSUB seemed to be very patient, he supposedly got on the interphone and said “‘let’s get this show on the road.”
1)These guys had a little fun with the “swarthy” description term. I’ve forgotten their exact comments on this, but basically the point is “Who the hell uses the swarthy description, anyway?” I learned the term “swarthy” during my reading and research about the Black Dahlia case. I had to look the term up. Bear in mind that there are BD Cooper, yes “BD” Cooper, vs DB documents found in the FBI’s Cooper FOIA files. 2) For me, another eye raising keyword is “show”. Granted this particular phrase is very common. I’ve learned to pay attention to things like this and to tally them up.
Oh, and yes, my associate and I are guilty of linking several crimes, including and especially Degnan, Francis Brown, BD, Zodiac, Cooper, OCCK and Ramsey. It’s a lot to report. I bullshit no one. The documents and the evidence fully supports what we assert. We don’t know everything there is to know about these cases, but we certainly try to.
My associate thinks that our prime suspect made the jump, while I proceed with great caution on that notion. She’s probably right, but I’d prefer to be able to gather more firm evidence to fully support such a contention. It turns out that he tends to fit the actual description of the Cooper UNSUB. Everything else about the Cooper caper and the documents is Zodiac Jack 101.
Without going into a great number of details, there was a time when I had trouble believing that someone other than our suspect carried out the Ramsey murder. However, there are some items that tend to show that more than one person had their hands of the Ramsey girl when she died, as well and several other odd and peculiar hints. The trouble is, is that odd and peculiar hints are also Zodiac Jack 101.
Point of Order: McCoy was a Mormon, and was not known to smoke or drink. Just saying. Even if he had a few cigarettes as a part of his disguise, being a non-smoker this would not be enough to create stained fingers.
Robert calame and rhoades we’re saying in there book since mccoy used make up and cooper had stains on his hands according to them that those were not stains but instead make up smearing…So they believed since mccoy was known to use make up on his heist that he used it for norjack too and that was what was mistakenly reported as nicotine stains…they wh=ere from make up trying to make another mccoy cooper comparison but I do not believe mccoy was cooper. The other report from the fbi agent said that cooper had nico stained hands so Ia trying to get more info fro the vortex maybe soebody read an fbi file where flo or tina reported this or maybe billy? this had to come from somewhere if 2 fbi agents reported this!
Just dug up another article that says his fingers were nicotine stained http://www.historylink.org/File/1997 and here is the link to the ebook that I ref’d about this fbi agent mike m saying the same about the nico stained hands…
https://books.google.com/books?id=fF4urADqI48C&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=db+cooper+stained+hands&source=bl&ots=_3QY-l5Qqd&sig=nmcknB5XotkQDquglcpRnHTlW38&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfldD95tvbAhVoilQKHQyRBQoQ6AEISjAJ#v=onepage&q=db%20cooper%20stained%20hands&f=false
I know why McCoy was ruled out as Cooper, they didn’t recognize him when shown his picture. The interesting thing about McCoy and the cigarettes was Raleigh was his home town, and also the brand of cigarette that Cooper smoked. After it was mentioned by Nick I do remember reading about the suggestions about the stained fingers
I have ruled mccoy as cooper but not his possible involvement in norjack and or his first hand knowledge of it!
The ‘stained’ book reference leads not to McCoy, but an unnamed suspect the FBI checked out in the early 80’s, who was subsequently dismissed when it was found he was checked into a hospital on the day of the hijacking.
McCoy was a Mormon…
Robert you are not following sir…the fbi agent from the book I linked states the following “Cooper was described as a white male in his mid-forties, approximately five feet ten inches to six feet tall, with dark sunglasses, and nicotine stains on his fingers.” He later goes on to mention he subsequently found a suspect in pendleton oregon that you mentioned that also had nicotine stained hands. Russ and bernie also mention the same thing but ere trying to spin it as the was mccoy’s make up not nico stains.
There are a few towns in North Carolina named after tobacco products. Back in the day, NC was tobacco king. Winston-Salem, Durham, (‘Bull Durham’ tobacco) etc. It’s just a coincidence I think.
Not to beat on an old point too much, but Ken Christiansen has been heavily associated with Raleigh brand cigarettes. Several people he knew said that was his brand. Some of them, including witness Helen Jones, said she finally remembered because ‘he saved the coupons’.
When I first interviewed Jones at her home over a two-day weekend, she said at first she though KC smoked Camels. Then…when she remembered about the coupons, she actually drove up to the set of Decoded a few miles away in Bonney Lake to tell me he actually smoked Raleighs. I was gone, but her statement was taken by co-producer Pete Berg.
None of this is proof of course, but it just adds to a long list of circumstantial evidence against KC and Geestman. When you start getting multiple witnesses saying the same thing, witnesses who haven’t spoken to each other in ten years or more, you start to think they might be telling the truth.
Most people can make a circumstantial case that their favorite suspect is Cooper. In KC case he has problems with physical description, also that he was flight attendant for the airline whose plane was hijacked. The employees would have been able to pick him out rather easy if he were Cooper. Just my opinion.
Quote: “Most people can make a circumstantial case that their favorite suspect is Cooper. In KC case he has problems with physical description, also that he was flight attendant for the airline whose plane was hijacked. The employees would have been able to pick him out rather easy if he were Cooper. Just my opinion.” :Unquote
That statement I agree with, and there several other points to show that Kenny was not Cooper, that can be added to that. It’s the quality, quantity and totality of evidence that I take into consideration. Yes, circumstantial evidence isn’t enough. By his writings you can easily tell that Blevins doesn’t care whether Kenny really was Cooper or not. He’s more interested in ramrodding his stuff into place.
I restate: “and there several other points to show that Kenny was not Cooper, that can be added to that.” The point being that you have to be as informed about a subject as best as you can be. You have to sort out the nonsense and disinformation from the core subject.
In the Ramsey case, you have to know “HOW the girl died”, first and foremost. First and foremost, she was strangled to death, there was less than a teaspoon of blood in her cranium. Then came the massive head blow to the BACK of her head, NOT the top. But before that head blow happened, the girl had suffered two strangulation events, with the second one ending her life. How do we know this? She left claw marks on her neck below the non-fatal strangulation event, from her own fingernails. So….having any kind of “opinion” about the Ramsey case, starts with knowing as much as you can possible establish as being true or false. Honest detectives use: “Who, How, and Why” in their approach. You may not immediately know “who” or “why”, but you’d damn well better know “HOW.” So, when you throw shit at me about Henry Lee, or his f’d-up associates, that strikes you OUT in the subject of “HOW.” The list of outright lies and deceptions hoist upon the public by Henry Lee and his associates is OUTRAGEOUS and CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD! Hence my anger.
I’ve been at the deep study of the Ramsey case for over 7 years now, with the so-called ransom note as my main focus. I’ve sorted out the bullshit from the narrative. I’m now in the process of improving my detailed knowledge base of the Cooper caper…and the bullshit found therein is plenty thick! ALL of the taunting documents found in the FOIA FBI Cooper files are interlinked by ALL of the detailed evidence. The person or persons that assembled them had “inside crime scene knowledge”…that’s the “tie” the binds. “tie”…no pun intended, but interesting! Just like Raleigh NC and Raleigh cigarettes is interesting to a researcher such as myself, but circumstantial and of low in rank in terms of priorities.
Himmelsbach thinks other clues to Cooper being an ex-convict were the ‘atrocious foul language’ he used in talking to a stewardess and the way he smoked his cigarettes. Cooper was a heavy smoker and was indifferent to the fact that the smoke curled through his fingers and left nicotine stains, a trait Himmelsbach said is common among prison inmates.
See, the problem with doing opposition research and then referencing it out loud is that it forces the other side to shut up until they can figure out a new angle. I guess it was mission accomplished for you, Robert? At least temporarily.
Himmelsbach thinks other clues to Cooper being an ex-convict were the ‘atrocious foul language’ he used in talking to a stewardess and the way he smoked his cigarettes. Cooper was a heavy smoker and was indifferent to the fact that the smoke curled through his fingers and left nicotine stains, a trait Himmelsbach said is common among prison inmates.
“atrocious foul language”, is interesting indeed. It also fits in as something that I’d expect from the suspect. The history of our suspect that we currently refer to as Zodiac Jack, tends to greatly show that he was a misogynist. He also has displayed tendencies towards a “shock and awe” military tact. And remember, the logistics of this Cooper caper greatly show advanced knowledge and planning. Another characteristic is that he’s implying one motive, when the evidence shows another entirely different reason for the crime. Part of the proof comes from the very unsophisticated and practically ridiculous ransom demand. Keywords are another tip off. Crazy as it may seem, rhyming words run the backdrop. I tend to suspect that it’s no coincidence that the case has a Tina Mucklow(sp) and a Tena/Tina bar. This hints towards the cash find as having been planted. The rhyming keyword business tend to undermine the person telling it, so it’s typically something that have been saving for my last set of points. The book Mindhunter steered my thinking in this regard.
fixed my bad: The rhyming keyword business tends to undermine the person telling it, so it’s typically something that I’ve been saving for my last set of points. The book Mindhunter steered my thinking in this regard.
I have 3 fbi agents on record saying cooper had nicotine stained hands and or fingers …
Cooper yes. McCoy no.
Special Message to Da Folks at The DB Cooper Forum dot frickin com:
I just received a big message from the production company doing the documentary. If you want IN…if you want INFORMATION…you’d better get off your dead butts and start working with me, and I mean QUICKLY. They are already aware of the website, and have been for a year they say. If you haven’t been contacted by now, I already know the reason.
Now, seriously guys…it is not my wish to cut you all from this, or to leave you out in the cold. But I already know what the deal is regarding this documentary. I can tell you a few things.
They are from Great Britain.
The director is flying to the USA soon to talk to people and scout the shoots. How soon? VERY soon.
The production company has been the recipient of many BAFTA awards for their previous documentaries. And other awards.
They aren’t highly impressed with The DB Cooper Forum dot com. Some of that, admittedly, is my fault, for going in depth with them a year ago (during their initial research stage) on certain issues between that site and myself. But they also looked for themselves and came to their own opinions.
If members of the Cooper Forum haven’t been contacted by now, the reason above is why. If you HAVE, then good for you.
They have been calling me and emailing me on a regular basis now, almost daily.
I will NOT respond to inquiries via these comments. You must contact me via EMAIL only…
Nasty messages will be IGNORED. Either get real, or sit on the sidelines. This is way bigger than that Rackstraw trash you were forced to endure.
adventurebooksofseattle AT gmail dot com
Sincerely, Robert
Scrubbed, by reader request.
-BAS
Scrubbed by reader request.
– BAS
Personally, I think Georger deserves a talking part. He could be Blevins sidekick…..sort of like the guy who sidekicks Jimmy Fallon, complete with grunts and groans. It would be interesting to see who could outdo each other for camera time. Georger could shadow Blevins around and mumble some of his own sick humor and paradies, or he could do readings from his old posts at the DZ
Look…the bottom line is that I have been working with this production company for over a year now. I just never thought the Cooper project would get green lighted. Then…last week when it did…things started moving really quickly. Almost too fast for even me.
Better get with the program, set your silly personal issues aside, and start working with me. You don’t have a lot of time here. Less than two weeks until the director shows up in America to scout shoots, and he already knows the book on KC has been optioned for a movie, he has seen the 20 WordPress articles I have on the case, and the DB Cooper Info Page at Adventure Books’ main site.
You figure it out. Better hurry….or get left out of the whole thing. Not my fault they decided to go the route they are going on such short notice. Even I am scrambling a bit, checking schedules with Gayla, etc.
You won’t get Shutter or Bruce or anybody with integrity to help out. They would be selling out to a story that they don’t believe.
Okay…exit stage left for a while. Moving into Busy Time. Will return after the Fourth.
yabba dabba doo!
A string of lies, followed by the truth by me: 1)Terry- Jon Benet was hit with the flashlight before she was strangled, NOT! 2) Burke’s behaviors bothers me a lot, YOUR behavior bother me. 3) The mark on Jon Benet’s body that comes from the train track. Answer: The Kolar contention and perhaps proof of complicity by whomever he got that idea from? 4) The DNA found at the scene were a combination of 3 people’s DNA. Answer: This is more bullshit from the killer’s camp. The DNA evidence is a low priority for me, it may have even been planted by the killer’s camp. 5) A staged crime scene, Answer: Yes, but by the killer’s camp, the parents had no motive. As a matter of fact, victim’s body was posed as a partial mimic of the BD victim and PARACHUTE type of cord was apparently used on her. Black gaffers tape found on her mouth, which was cut from a roll, not torn, and the role, as well as the tip of the paint brush, apparently rammed into her vagina, was never found! 6) Patsey’s hand writing couldn’t eliminate her. Answer: This is a bold faced lie! And, you can’t spell Patsy properly. 7) I don’t feel ashamed to have that for my opinion. Answer: Valid opinions are based on facts, not lies like you tell! Blevins is also a shameless liar. Let’s have your facebook info Mr Creep or whomever you are? 8) I do want justice for Jon Benet. I wouldn’t mind being wrong if her killer was brought to justice. Answer: Oh really? Really, then stop spreading lies! 9) BTW as far as KC everyone knows that he is to short and bald and would have been easily identified if he was Cooper. His house wasn’t paid for by cash. I guess I think of it as common knowledge as to why KC was not Cooper. Answer: Your statements are tainted by the string of lies that you just told about the Ramsey case! 10) I am also interested in the Zodiac murders, and wouldn’t mind hearing your thoughts on that. Answer: Why? So you can hassle me with a bunch bullshit? In my book, you’ve already proven yourself to be a racketeer!
Well Terry you’ve proven that your an a** hole. I don’t consider my answers lies. A lie would be a deliberate attempt to hide the truth or deceive. I believe what I said is the truth. As far as wanting to hear your thoughts on the Zodiac murder’s, I guess I figured that we would agree to disagree on the Jon Benet case. I really don’t understand why you get so bent out shape because somebody has a different opinion on something than you do. If you don’t want to share your insight on the Zodiac case that’s fine. In a way you should be flattered that I asked for it, because I did value your opinion.
From the zero emails in my box from Cooperland, I will assume none of you are interested in appearing, or engaging with, the documentary company that begins shooting fairly soon. Okay, I won’t bring that up again. Someone back there seems to think it was The Kenny Show. I already said it was a general look at the case. But, okay.
Parrothead says:
“bLIEvins, on June 15, while addressing me you said the following:
“On the other hand, you (and some of your friends) continue to perpetuate the idea that KC was a child rapist without the slightest shred of proof.“
Today, I say: Point out where I said Kenny was a child rapist. This is more bullshit lies from you. What I said was that the questions were fair and that I wouldn’t allow my kids to be around him. I never said that he WAS a child rapist. If I did, point out! Once a liar, always a fucking liar!!!”
Oh, come on. Get REAL. You were all dancing around that idea like little girls at the maypole. Don’t give me that crap. I just turned it on you, and brought it right out into the open is all. ‘Perpetuate the idea’ is a key phrase here. Let’s call it what it is and stop bullshitting. You and Shutter have hinted strongly that you think Kenny was having sex with young boys. Yet not a single person has accused him of such a thing. One of these young boys, a guy who lived with Kenny for years right up to the day he died, said no such thing. And in fact said Kenny’s sex life was normal for a gay guy. Most child rapos are heterosexual types, married, with kids. And I said that describes many of YOU. Would you like it if people started hinting? I guess you didn’t hearing that either, although it’s a fact.
LOL you guys always get the angriest when I go the most upfront with you. And then you try to look cute and innocent by twisting around my name and calling me a liar. Hey…I call it like I see it.
You understand of course…that SOME members (not all) have a definite history of jealousy and dirty tricks with Adventure Books, right? If you don’t realize that, or accept it…you are living in La La La Dreamland because many others are well aware of it. 🙂
UPDATE: I have a phone call in the early morning with the producers of the Cooper documentary. One of the things I’m asking them is WHO ELSE (in Cooperland) has been approached for the program. Then I will know what is what, and where everything is going.
Do you guys (other investigators, folks in Cooperland) even realize how silly it is to ignore receiving any information on this show from me…simply based on your personal issues with me? Frankly, it’s non-intelligent.
Well, before I take this call in the morning, I will look one more time in my email box, early morning, to see if there are any SENSIBLE responses. Based on that, I may discuss with the producers certain folks’ possible inclusion in the program. And remember…it’s NOT The Kenny Show they are doing. It’s an updated program on the Cooper case itself. Are you all so stubborn that you would leave most of this job of providing what they want to ME?
Go ahead if you wish. But then you have no call to complain about the results, do you? 🙂
DISCLAIMER: It is possible that some of you have already been contacted. If so, you should SAY so and save me the trouble of answering your emails. If not, you’d better hurry. They scout VERY soon…and start scheduling shoots SOON. Time is running out. Even we are scrambling a bit to comply with their current schedule.
Sorry for the multi-posting, but an important point. I haven’t been to Cooper Heaven in months, so I don’t know what’s being posted there.
Let me say this: If you are engaging in another anti-Blevins tirade around there, this is a very BAD time to do it. I’ve been working with this production company for more than a year. All it will do is put them off from engaging you, and I assure you I will support that idea, (if that’s what’s going on right now in Cooper Heaven) These folks are SERIOUS, and not the slightest bit interested in drama, I assure you. I would save your possible rants for later. Besides, it won’t do any good, and neither will it affect their decisions regarding the production of the show.
Don’t shoot yourselves in the foot. I speak to them about eight hours from now. I would like to see some emails from interested parties BEFORE that time…if you’re interested that is.
If you are already on board with the show, congratulations and good luck to you. I actually MEAN that, by the way…
I heard that Georger is actually camera shy, so……….no.
I was staying up late in the office watching ‘Zulu,’ which I have on USB flash drive. I do have to head off soon for some sleep before the call comes in the morning. I’m told that although Cooper Heaven has had two days’ notice on the documentary, there isn’t a single reference to it onsite. Their main worry seems to be why Bruce hasn’t come to this thread and done some squashing. No surprise there. Shutter is/was a big Trump supporter and at one time sent me some gloating emails after Trump was elected. I still have them. This might explain him a bit, but that is a personal opinion.
They aren’t even worried whether he’s (Smith) is okay or not, just that he has been non-available for deletions. I still have not a whisper in my email from anyone known to inhabit ‘The Biggest Website on D.B. Cooper’ regarding this upcoming documentary. Either that, or they are pretty darn good at going underground, something they are not really known for when it comes to AB, or myself personally.
Fine. Again…I gave them a shot at media. From a company that has won a ton of awards for their documentary work. And again…they rejected it for really silly reasons. I will make a few notes about all this in the morning when the production company calls. I never claimed perfection, but I do know how to hold out the olive branch, and I definitely support the idea of including others in Cooperland when it counts.
They base their decisions on emotions only, which is foolish indeed. The more they do this, the more they get ignored or bypassed by mainstream media. Their actions might even encourage the production to lean toward KC as Cooper, without them having the opportunity to dispute that allegation. My sympathy for Cooper Heaven is exactly ZERO. 🙂
Good night. In case any of you reading this have a change of heart, you can reach me at adventurebooksofseattle@gmail.com
I would hurry if I were you.
Mr. Blevins, how can national politics even play a remote role in the DB Cooper story? Shutter has a right to support any political position he wants to, as you do. But to castigate his position, even in s subtle manner, doesn’t speak well to your intentions. This will not bring you any “takers” on your recent offer. Bruce, whether he is liberal or conservative, or whatever, does not mix his politics with the Cooper story. That gives him staying power in the discussion. You should know better, as a writer, that your mix of topics is usually the kiss of death in furthering your desires of being a Cooper comentator. Stay on topic, or you risk losing everybody.
It’s not ME making any offers, not really. The production company is out of Britain, and they’ve been researching the Cooper case for this documentary for over a year now. I don’t care about ‘the discussion,’ but about ‘the case’. (Or maybe ‘the solving’ of the case)
Most discussions on the Cooper case, almost anything POSSIBLE there is to discuss, has been done at one time or another. With a lack of input from the public, (it’s been 47 years after all) then it becomes about ‘the media’. Some of you out there in Cooperland have hated me for a number of years, but maybe you should ask yourself why major media has been approaching me instead of you for the last two biggest media things ever to come down the pike on the Cooper case.
First the movie, although I’ll admit I understand why some folks right reject participation in that, mainly because it’s more or less the story of Kenny Christiansen.
But now we have a solid documentary on the horizon, a general look at the Cooper case itself, being done by an outstanding organization that has won multiple BAFTA awards for their work. And simply because they approached me first…before THEY were approached…they again cut off their noses to spite their faces. The last two TV shows done on the Cooper case were unmitigated disasters (Travel Channel’s Expedition Unknown program with Josh Gates, and DB Cooper – Case Closed) both of which I was happy to reject any appearance. Which turned out to be a good thing. Now…on Case Closed, that was an obviously slanted program with its sights aimed on Robert Rackstraw. They contacted me, yes. So I sent them everything we had, including the FBI report, all of which they ignored. But they tossed teasers into the commercials hinting they were looking at Kenny Christiansen. The show was laughable, ridiculous, and did a witch hunt on Rackstraw. One of the main participants on that show, reporter Billy Jensen, wanted nothing to do with the final result, and rejected Rackstraw privately as the hijacker.
The Josh Gates people wanted an interview from me during our fund raising party at the Ariel Store. I declined…not because I didn’t like the show, but because I wasn’t there to promote Kenny. I was there to flip burgers, feed people. work, haul stuff, raise money for the store. How did Cooper Heaven respond to all this, all our efforts, all our WORK trying to help the store? What else? Shutter posts before the event that he would support it if AB of Seattle were not involved. Turned out to be a big fat mess anyway, and for some weird reason, Bryan Woodruff turned his backs on us on the SAME DAY I had gotten approval from my mom down in Arizona to borrow thousands of dollars out of my trust fund to RESTORE THE STORE. Gayla Prociv went through the roof and AB of Seattle rejected all future participation with anything related to the store.
Do you understand how extremely silly all of this is? Shutter and some (not all) members of Cooper Heaven base some very critical choices on foolish personal issues. I get updates on Cooper Heaven regularly, some from actual members who do not necessarily agree with this approach, whether I want them or not. By email.
(NOTE: It is about 10:45 AM here is Seattle. Producers on this new Cooper show are calling me from England in roughly an hour.)
Cooper Heaven is (by now) well aware the show is coming, this latest one. Their response was to tell their members to ignore THIS thread, the one right here. Oh…that’s REAL smart, don’t you think? (Well, maybe not THAT smart.) When the producers call today, I want to be fair. I’m going to suggest a couple of folks for them to contact, but I will NOT recommend using Cooper Heaven for any kind of resource, and I will discuss why with them.
This whole mish-mash of personalities, outright hatred, jealousy, personal attacks, etc is non-productive, goes nowhere, and of absolutely NO interest to the media. You can discuss the case now, or ten years from now. It will never be solved doing that, not on its own. You want to move beyond the discussion phase, make it more than an online hobby? Then you have to get out the word and keep the case alive in the minds of the public. You have to have character enough to move beyond personal issues and learn to work with people, even people you may not like personally.
One time, the producers of the upcoming film on KC told me something regarding this situation:
“Their attitude is ridiculous. (Cooper Heaven) When you’re making a picture, lots of people don’t get along. But they generally act professional and do their jobs…”
The difference between AB staff and Cooper Heaven is pretty simple. Sure, we’ve done the goof thing plenty of times, and sometimes even taken a shot at someone. But when the SHEET hits the fan and the media comes calling…we also know how to deal with them like professionals.
Look…just in case some of you believe I’m just some writer living in an ivory tower or whatever, this is what we actually ARE around here at AB:
Greg is a graduate of the University of Washington, my good friend since the early 80’s, and a real nice guy. I see him a couple of times a month.
Gayla and I are have been together since 2000. For the last fifteen years, we get up each morning and go scrub nice peoples’ homes.
Geoff Nelder lives in England. He’s retired from teaching, 30 years doing English in their public schools.
And then Cooper came along. Hasn’t been the same since, and if I knew what would happen, I never would have approached Skipp Porteous. But I did and I have to see that out, especially for Skipp’s memory, for his family, and for the people who were involved in the investigation into Kenny Christiansen.
We are, or were…mostly ordinary working folk and just like you. 🙂
Phone call completed. Now I can eat lunch. I can tell you this much: The production company has already been working with Ron and Pat Forman, as well as Lyle Christiansen. They want to speak to some of the people from our own files in the investigation. I have to do some research, update a few things, and send it to them. Oh, and they also talked to the guy with the latest book. Not me, the one that just came out. 🙂 Might be working also with Marla, although not as seriously.
The show will not be favoring any suspect over another, but will present four main suspects. I think the show is just a general look at Cooperland. I was told they were somewhat inspired by the Geoff Gray ‘Skyjack’ approach. When they asked me for a recommendation, I pointed them to Tom Kaye.
I have some work to do now, and it’s time for lunch. 🙂
Tom Kaye has been contacted. I urged him to bring up the subject of the Amboy chute again. Main reason being he has a standing offer about it with the Seattle FBI. Strange they would allow his team to examine so much of the key evidence….and then deny that same team access to an item the FBI already declared WASN’T evidence.
In other news: The KC/Cooper movie guys sent me a link to a promo video. It’s pretty exciting stuff. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to share it with the public. However….I will post it on a hidden Staff or Moderators Only thread at the AB Forum. That means you not only have to get by me to even join the site…but I have to trust you enough to know you won’t share the video and get us in trouble for violating our confidentiality agreement with the production companies.
Three people currently have those rights at the AB Forum, and frankly…those credentials aint easy to get from us. We trust pretty much no one in Cooperland these days.
Scrubbed due to excessively provocative comments that do not advance the DB Cooper investigation.
– BAS
Maybe a tad bit harsh, TC. Georger is a hypocrite, no doubt. And he would beg Bruce Smith for something if he thought it would help Georger. Then to turn on Bruce like that. Yes, he probably uses Shutter in some ways too. I never cared for Georger’s derogatory comments about people. Anyway, I’m sure he reads this site every chance he can get, so watch your back TC. Shutter should watch his back too.
LOL I got suspended for two weeks from Dropzone/Cooper for posting up a picture that represented Georger. It was a picture of a vulture sitting on a telephone pole. The vulture is saying, “Man, I wish that Blevins would post up SOMETHING today…”
It meant that at one time, Georger would just lie in wait to pounce on me. Ha. The moderator didn’t think it was so funny. 🙂
Georger is what he is. He’s not an evil person. He’s a retired university educator, and yes…a bit of a grouch. But he’s somewhere beyond retirement age and not likely to change his spots now.
I got suspended ANOTHER time for comparing his teaching methods to the official Pink Floyd video for ‘Another Brick in the Wall.’ 🙂 Guess I didn’t learn the first time.
I wish I could show you guys the two minute promo video that the movie folks in LA sent me today. It was a link at Vimeo. It’s pretty hot, like a movie preview. Oh, they are definitely going after Kenny in this film. I have it posted at the AB Forum, but only to a special private thread accessible by AB staff or moderators at the site. I will release it as soon as I get permission, but I’m not sure when that will be. I do have a hard copy now, but I haven’t figured out how to show it without allowing the link to be shown, or to make it impossible to repost it elsewhere.
On the Kenny movie preview: At the end they put a few facts about Kenny onscreen. They got two things wrong and I had to correct them. They had Kenny as a mechanic, not a purser. (Geestman was the mechanic) And they spelled Bonney Lake as ‘Bonny’. It was the fourth version of the video. They are going to fix that part. Otherwise, pretty cool stuff.
Update: I have been told that I can’t put the video on the internet right now, not even as a private thread. However, AB staff can be sent the link, but that’s all. Removed from the AB Forum.
Robert I lied you, I’m interested in participating in this docu.
Thanks,
Nicky
It’s hard for me to comment on your interest. I really can’t.
Because of certain events that happened a couple of months ago, we’ve brought down the hammer on security. I had no choice. You know that.
Today I emailed Bruce asking him if he was okay. And if he was, could he please make a post to the Cooper Forum, or here, to let people know he’s fine. As far as the documentary, I already said Ron and Pat Forman are involved. Just contact them for details on who is doing the documentary and any details. I can’t do it myself, but I gave you the needed info.
I only keep stuff secret in the Cooper case when I have to.
Or when someone asks me to do so for a good reason.
Thanks for keeping us posted. I don’t agree with you always, but at least you are pleasant sounding, compared to that grouchy old man over at the other site that everyone is now talking about.
I’m so busy right now it’s crazy. Documentary guys from England showing up here in less than three weeks. Movie on Cooper is moving forward. Z car to restore at the same time and I have just a few weeks to do it. THIS week I have to play musical chairs with out vehicles because they are replacing the roof on the townhouses where I live.
Tried to be inclusive with the documentary and everyone ignores my messages. You should hear what people are saying about Cooper Heaven. None of it very good.
I even had to tell my two friends who want to do the Homeless in Seattle picture we can’t move on it until mid August. Maybe.
Whatever. Cooperland. It will drive you crazy, and no one can seem to work together on anything. Fine. Now we just present Kenny as the hijacker, give up all the details on WHY WE DID, and the hell with all those crazy folks.
‘with OUR vehicles…’
Robert, I can get a couple people lined up after July 1st to help you. Are you in Seattle?
I’ll work with you too, if you are on good terms with Bruce. No Bruce bashing. He is polite and allows us to post freely. Unlike the other site that uses people for his own needs.
Oh, I don’t dislike Bruce or anything. We had two small problems, and one of them was way back before I met him in Ariel in 2012. The other was a passage he had about Kenny in an early version of his book. It was in the original manuscript he was handing out free for a while. Both of those things were long ago. I have no grudges or animosity toward the guy.
I see andrade is asking about elsinore over on the forum and I have been looking into that report and the person who made it. Since it is redacted in the file I had to do my own detective work and I discovered the person who called in to tip to the fbi was a fellow by the name of Lyle Cameron. He was running the Elsinore DZ at the time and her later died in a plane crash in 93 in what I believe were mysterious circumstances, I did some extensive research into Lyle’s life and found ties to the CIA,…more information to come on the brink of making a huge breakthrough in the case!
I live in Elsinore which is what helped me get some info on Lye Cameron….I plan on going down the street to the dz and look through the jump logs for around the time mentioned in the fbi reports it is worth a shot…let you guys know if anything comes out of it.
Nicky
***NEWS***
Bruce Smith is visiting family back east. Meyer Louie called me and we did a welfare check on him. He is fine, and will be returning next week. 🙂
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*Reminder* : The British are Coming! (Film crew from London arriving in the USA soon to do a DB Cooper documentary.) I can’t reveal their names or the contact person, but some folks involved in the case were already contacted, including yours truly.
However, I CAN give you the details in an email, including the contact information. NOTE: I’m really surprised no one at Cooper Heaven has said anything about it. They will be in the USA within about two weeks, so if you are interested in being on the show…you better hurry. My appointment with them is already scheduled. They are NOT favoring any suspect over another. In fact, it is more of a Skyjack/Geoff Gray look at the case, not an investigation of possible suspects.
You can reach me at adventurebooksofseattle AT gmail.com
IN OTHER NEWS: Yes, there IS a teaser reel now for the upcoming movie on Kenny Christiansen. After some wangling, I have been allowed to release it on a limited basis. The film companies don’t want me providing the link to the video, because that would reveal who actually MADE the video. Instead, I took a straight copy and loaded it to the AB Forum under a members-only thread. Registration to the AB Forum has been enabled again, but still on a restricted basis. That means you can register in the normal manner, but we have to approve you before you can view or post anything. If you are known in Cooperland, please register using the same username you use over at Cooper Heaven, or HERE…otherwise your registration will be denied.
AB Forum is here: http :// adventurebooks dot boards dot net
Sincerely, Robert
*Disclaimer: Negative comments regarding Cooper Heaven or its members are NOT allowed. If you do that, your post will be removed and you will be permanently banned. Basically, anything violates the server’s TOS (Terms of Service) is NOT allowed. (I had to break up the links above because automatic comment moderation on any comments with active links is enabled on this site. And by the way…that’s a good idea on Bruce’s part. It helps keep out the spammers.)
How and Why Meyer Louie and I Did a Welfare Check on Bruce Smith: (just for the record)
Meyer called me at home around 8PM Wednesday evening. He was worried, and said no one had heard from Bruce in weeks. (True, and I was beginning to worry myself) He asked me to meet him near Bruce’s place and we would approach the house together, calling his name.
Meyer is from Olympia. I am from Auburn. We finally hooked up at the gate outside Bruce’s place. It was dark. We took two flashlights and walked around the gate toward the house. After about a hundred yards, we saw two houses. The smaller one was Bruce’s. We called to his house, (Meyer has been there before) and there was no answer.
Finally, a nice elderly lady emerged from the other house. She asked us what we wanted, and we told her no one had heard from Bruce in a while and we were just checking to make sure he was okay. Her husband came out on the porch and said Bruce was in New York visiting family. We spoke to them for a few short minutes and then left.
Meyer and I ended up at the parking lot of an Arco and had coffee. We spoke for about an hour, and then went our separate ways. During this time we settled a few issues, and later exchanged some email.
Whatever you may have heard about Bruce and myself, it’s been exaggerated. He’s still a local, and the biggest figure locally in the Cooper investigation. We’ve had our differences, but they were relatively minor. At least that’s how I see it. 🙂
Reminder….. bLIEvens said he wasn’t gonna post here until after the 4th of July. Only one of his many, many, many lies, lies with documented proof too!
“Reminder….. bLIEvens said he wasn’t gonna post here until after the 4th of July. Only one of his many, many, many lies, lies with documented proof too!”
Oh, pulleeeze. I was getting messages and a call or two regarding the whereabouts of Bruce Smith, which takes precedence. You’re just pissed off because I’m not buying into your All The Cases Are Related Scenario. 🙂
Oh, pulleeeze. I was getting messages and a call or two regarding the whereabouts of Bruce Smith, which takes precedence. You’re just pissed off because I’m not buying into your All The Cases Are Related Scenario. 🙂
Not even close. I could care less what you buy or what you don’t buy. I do get more than a little fatigued at getting a notice and finding your long winded messages, rambling messages that are off-topic and go nowhere.
Well, that ‘long-winded’ post about what happened at Bruce’s house was for HIS benefit, not yours. 🙂 When he returns in the coming week, his landlord (the senior lady and her husband) are going to tell him that Meyer and I dropped by after dark looking for him. Posting here was the easiest way for me to get the details on that to him. Also…Meyer and I weren’t the first to check to see if Bruce was okay. The landlord said that the day PRIOR, someone had sent the cops to do a welfare check. That was NOT from Meyer and me, but someone else.
FYI: Bruce usually lets people know he won’t be around when he leaves for an extended period. This time he forgot, and people got worried.
Here’s an ON-topic message for you. I have a copy of a two-minute promo reel done by the movie producers on the upcoming feature film about Kenny Christiansen and the Cooper case. I can share it…but I can’t give any link that would reveal who actually MADE it. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to display it where it can’t be directly copied or distributed on the internet.
So far, my only idea is to upload it directly to the AB Forum and privatize the thread where it resides. Maybe this would work, since it is now a direct copy of the original.
Maybe.
The promo reel has been uploaded to the main AB of Seattle website under certain security restrictions. You can view HOW to access the video by checking the DB Cooper Info Page at the main AB of Seattle website. Information is at the top of the page there.
Sorry, but it’s the best I can do.
Video is accessible via a special username and password. I have selected a few folks I absolutely trust via Facebook and provided this information to them. Some are good friends, the rest are members of the AB Forum.
The video itself cannot be copied or re-posted elsewhere, since you cannot access Properties on it. I suppose you could set up a camera in front of your monitor, but that’s the best you can do. But before you can have access at all, you will need that name and password.
The stubborn folks over at Cooper Heaven are being bypassed by the media again, I think. The Brits are coming in less than two weeks to do Cooper for the BBC, the preview video on the new Kenny Christiansen/DB Cooper is available, and apparently none of them want anything to do with EITHER. And they call themselves ‘The Biggest Website on D.B. Cooper,’ which more and more patently becomes a joke.
There’s an old saying. Either lead, follow, or get out of the way. Thanks for getting out of the way. 🙂
The only thing that is a joke your story about KC. The people at “Cooper Heaven” have integrity and stick to the facts of the case and won’t sell out to make a buck. People that want to actually learn about the case should go there.
Let me correct you a bit. Integrity at Cooper Heaven? I will say SOME have integrity, or even MOST of them, but the site is by no means perfect. You and a few of your friends over there can call the evidence against Kenny Christiansen and Bernie Geestman a joke. We will call that a review, and just your opinion.
Let me say this: Stop drinking the Kool-Aid you’re being force-fed over there about me. You don’t even know me, or my past dealings with the media, which up until now has been far and away from ‘selling out’.
In 2010, when I was driving an 89 Subaru wagon and scrubbing toilets for a living…I turned down $5,000 from History Channel for my Decoded appearance because I thought it was the moral thing to do.
In 2011, I turned down a thousand bucks from Comcast Sports Net’s show, Adrenaline Hunter with Bethy Rossos because I thought it was the moral thing to do.
In 2012, I turned down a $25,000 offer for the movie rights to Blast and Kenny’s story from CBS Films, via their reps at Paradigm in New York. I did that because they wanted to take serious liberties with the truth, so sure…you could call that moral as well. They later signed Skyjack to a contract, and then sold those same rights to Will Gluck’s production company. (‘Friends With Benefits’, ‘Annie’, etc.) No movie is in the works, and probably will never be.
In January 2017, I ACCEPTED an offer running six figures, plus 3% of the producer’s share of the profits to sign a film contract to make the first-ever feature film on the DB Cooper case. Admittedly, it is mostly about the life of Kenny Christiansen. I took that offer when they agreed to allow me some control over script content…which means we will be presenting the truth. I have no problem with morals, I just have a problem with anonymous people taking cheap shots at me, while hiding behind a rock. THAT I have a problem with.
Just THIS week, I turned down an unspecified offer to appear in a DB Cooper documentary to be broadcast on the BBC sometime later this year. I also made offers (again) of inclusion on that program by Cooper Heaven. Has anyone posted up about that over at Cooper Heaven, or even made the slightest inquiry to me on who they should contact to participate? I’ve been told there are ZERO posts over there about it, unless they were made just today. Now, it is true that I released enough information here (on THIS site) so that anyone who cares could make contact. And maybe some of you have, which I encourage you to do. But if you haven’t, you’re running out of time. And quickly.
You can call the KC story a joke if you wish. The problem is…your group, the ones who do that, are relatively small, and lately are being ignored by certain media. While serious folks are well…taking us seriously. Unlike Cooper Heaven, we don’t make decisions on the case based on emotions, or whether we happen to like someone personally or not. We just do what we have to do and leave the baloney at the curb. 🙂
As far as the evidence against Kenny and Bernie goes, remember…you don’t know everything that WE know as of June 2018. There’s nothing I can do about that. Most is covered under the confidentiality agreements we signed with the studios. However….Cooper Heaven and some of its members were made some rather lucrative offers…all of which were thrown back in our faces. There’s no use whining about it now. You make your choices, then you must live with them.
However….Cooper Heaven and some of its members were made some rather lucrative offers…all of which were thrown back in our faces. There’s no use whining about it now. You make your choices, then you must live with them.
…all of which were thrown back in our faces. . “our” being the operative word here by which bLIEvens reveals himself in this one particular instance.
So far, I’ve made the information that I convey with no money motive attached. Yes, I use currency too to pay for things, and when I’m ready to publish for “money,” I’ll do so and say so.
I’m more concerned that the smarter members of the human race get the messages. So, I’m not at this point in time the least bit concerned with what certain people “buy” about what I report. bLIEvens has made it clear that “money” is first and foremost with him, despite his last phony report.
Again: All of the taunting documents that were retained by the FBI in the Cooper case, clearly show inter-linkage. This same author possessed inside crime scene knowledge and emphasized certain key things, and especially so is the redundant “BD” Cooper emphasis, yes “BD” not DB! So, here comes Terry B, new to this forum, having already written about case to case linkages long before ever even knowing who Bruce A Smith was.
I do know this for certain ….ramrodding a “Kenny was Cooper” story upon the public is pure fraud, plain and simple. The available evidence already shows that Kenny wasn’t Cooper, no additional number of items added by the likes of a bLIEvens is gonna change that, it’s really that simple!
The people behind these crimes have now made a number of blunders by trying to “steer” and “program” the public with fraudulent reports. The Sept 2016 ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey’ aired by CBS, was a blatant string of lies, and these same evil and hell bound clowns recently and briefly threw the “Reca was Cooper” report at the public and then dropped it like a “hot potato.”
I agree 100% with your comments on BLIEvens and his Kenny story. I have a hard time seeing the 3 cases interrelated, but I am doing a lot more research on them. Who knows maybe someday I will think as you do on those.
Blevins will you be so kind as to email me the contact for the bbc docu?
Thanks,
Nicky
Go to Shutter for this. He says he’s already been in contact with them.
Let me get this straight, because Daniel…I wouldn’t want to misquote you. You believe that by doing more research…you might start to agree with the idea that the Ramsey, Cooper, and Scorpio cases are related somehow? And that you believe we have zip on Kenny and Bernie at the same time?
What this tells me is that some people are so desperate to discredit, and so angry about the upcoming picture, that they will agree with anyone else who feels the same way, no matter what OTHER crazy theory they offer on Cooper. Really, it’s the supreme definition of phony.
Is it beginning to dawn on you WHY media is starting to bypass you guys? Think about it. People go over to Cooper Heaven and what do they see. A big waste of their time, that’s what. ‘You are not allowed to view links or pictures. Register or login’ is shown on practically half the postings there. This is a very poor way to reach the public.
As far as the movie on Christiansen, let me say this. It presents the case against him fairly well. It will NAME the FBI agent who told Troy Bentz and his two friends that the FBI closed the case because of the reasons stated previously. (You can find the article at our DB Cooper WordPress.)
I will not sit here and tell you I can be 100% sure that KC and Geestman pulled off the hijacking, but I think our current evidence is pretty damn good. What the movie WILL do is to force the final truth out of the woodwork on these two, much as the Blast book forced some people to later come forward. In fact, I am counting on that to happen. SOMEONE is going to have to answer for this evidence, and the allegations we are making. And someone WILL, I guarantee it.
Present Day: I have word this morning that the documentary crew from Britain is rescheduling for September to be in the US. I am working with them very closely now, and they’ve asked me for recommendations for interviews or possible shooting locations for the documentary. So if you want to be involved, you can either approach them on your own, or you can contact me about it.
WARNING: Although I spoke highly of some of the folks in Cooperland, I also gave them my standard cautions regarding Cooperland in general. And they have made it plain that Drama Queen stuff does not interest them at all. But at least their rescheduling gives you a bit more time to think about things.
The bottom line is that the movie on KC is coming whether you like it or not, go see it or not, or agree with it…or NOT. Get used to it and grow up. A few people on an internet forum aren’t going to have any effect on that. Better to work with the reality of things, and engage less in name-calling.
Sincerely, Robert
Just to clarify things Robert, I am researching the 3 cases, maybe someday I may see that they are interrelated. I have a hard time seeing that right now. I also think that you have nothing on KC. I have seen your argument for KC and I don’t buy it.
You’ve seen what is available PUBLICLY on KC, and base your opinion on THAT. So that we have no misunderstandings here, you are perfectly justified in that opinion. In fact, I can understand it, and to a certain degree, respect it. I’ve said many times that since we can’t release anything we discovered since about January 2017, that it isn’t fair for me to harp on Kenny as ‘THE guy’ in the Cooper case. But we think we have enough to present in the upcoming picture to either convince viewers we’re right, or to at least drive the final truth on him out of the woodwork.
Which is the main aim of the picture anyway. At least for me it is.
Robert, this will be a final statement to you…the only drama created is done solely by you and only you. look at this thread..full of warnings and threats..you are not my agent nor do you speak for the media. you have some sort of disorder that drives you into constantly posting drama over and over on a thread that doesn’t even belong to you. WTF dude, really?
I’ve had plenty of traffic coming from England and people already know about them..I don’t want to work with you and apparently nobody else does from what I can see. the movie has absolutely nothing to do with dealing with you..if people cared enough they would of worked with you..your so butt hurt you resort to begging and constantly attacking in a negative manor, again, on a thread that doesn’t even belong to you or one you moderate!!!
Daniel is a new guy on the block and speaks for himself. I’ve told him nothing about Kenny..people are all grown up believe it or not and can come to conclusions all by themselves. you on the other hand are very busy trying to convince the world we are bad. you have been caught lying on this board and personally attacking me multiple times.
In closing, you are full of hatred, you are vindictive and spiteful plus many other things all rolled into one person..I’m working seven days a week that puts Cooper on the back burner..it’s not my life. I have a life and it doesn’t consist of staying up till 5 in the morning whining about someone’s forum!!!!!!!!
Shutter
Shutter says in part:
“I’ve had plenty of traffic coming from England and people already know about them..I don’t want to work with you and apparently nobody else does from what I can see. the movie has absolutely nothing to do with dealing with you..if people cared enough they would of worked with you..your so butt hurt you resort to begging and constantly attacking in a negative manor, again, on a thread that doesn’t even belong to you or one you moderate!!!..”
Well, someone should have moderated it along the way, don’t you think? 🙂 That was a bit of a joke.
I have no idea what you mean by ‘nobody wants to work with me’. LOL are you kidding me or what? AB of Seattle has so much going with the media right now that I barely have any time. Moving up the documentary to a September shoot was the best thing that ever happened to us. (at least I will have time to work on that Nissan Z car I’m restoring in July, and go on a camping trip or two before the shooting.) What you actually mean by ‘nobody wants to work with me’ is this:
A few people who hang out at an internet forum on Cooper don’t want to work with me. As if I really care about that. You must be kidding. Just this morning I got another phone call from the folks in London, plus more emails asking for our help, and some recommendations for the documentary, as well as possible other contacts for shoots. I recommended Mark M (‘377’) and Sheridan Petersen to them. I can assure you that Adventure Books staff is fully involved with these fine folks, and have been for over a year now. They already have Lyle C in the film can, as well as the Forman couple. They are moving on to AB and possibly some other folks in September for the final shoots. As far as the upcoming movie, (not the documentary) the promo reel is in the can and casting for the picture is ongoing. I haven’t seen the final script yet, but I’m sure I will fairly soon.
I don’t hate Cooper Heaven. Hate is a big word. You telling me you don’t want to work with me is pointless and going nowhere. It doesn’t MATTER anymore. Hello in there…that isn’t exactly NEWS, you know. Your loss not mine. A few folks like you are just pissed off that we got the first movie on Cooper, while the so-called ‘Biggest Website on DB Cooper’ was foolish enough to refuse any participation. People know this, Shutter. And they know WHY. These same people consider this silly, you know. But that’s long ago and far away now.
You have this fantasy going that your actions, and your words, and your website somehow have an effect on our interactions with the Cooper case and with the media. They haven’t had the slightest effect, my friend. Not a bit. In fact, it sometimes puts folks off a bit, the ones who count. You can live in that world if you wish, but it isn’t real. 🙂
I’ve read about exculpatory evidence that clears Kenny as Cooper, that’s the bottom line. His whereabouts and the fact that the stewardesses and other witnesses didn’t pick him out, clear him.
Here are the cases that I specifically link, my colleague lists several additional cases, cases that she’s done the homework on, like the Scorpion letters etc. This list of cases shows evidence on documents that link them. There are keyword and key phrase themes that also link this cases, like 1) “editors” or “rush to editor” etc, and “chiefs”, like 2)chiefs of police especially, chief detectives etc, 3)this is next you are next, he is next, 3) “anger and hunger” 4) mother themes, like “sorry ma” 5) misogynistic tendencies, (like saying atrocious things to the stewardess?), over-killing the women victim’s 6) hollow bragging, uses “his masterpiece”, “Professional Hi Jacker” 7) I’m too much of a coward 8) denial of the gravity of his acts 9) taunting authorities 10) mysterious encrypted messages, 11) military themes, 12) stalking and surveillance assertions 13) hinting case linkage from one case to another 14) crop marks used in the newspaper business, which double as arrows 15) “not”/underline statement modifiers(truth table hints) 16) cut out and pasted letters with deeper and multiple meanings 17) incorporates “jack” nouns 18) incorporates the letters JT 19) rigs in default suspects 20) rigs in poetic or rhyming hints, like names and dates 21) rigs in comic book items with villains and hero’s in peril 22) adds time/date stamps 23) leaves behind hinting evidence (clip-on ties) 24) likes modern technology 25) likes to show off navigational awareness with longitude/latitude numbers in decimal form 26) likes to use misspelled words as hints 27) always leaves hints towards “gambling.” 28) likes cryptic sign-offs 29) uses periods behind F.B.I, but sometimes skips the last period, etc, 30) makes his d’s like nooses and p’s like male genitalia and acting as pointers 31) hinted at double agent themes, like “copperhead” 32) double postage with themes 33) postmark hint themes 34) block form address blocks, often uses the word “Building” 35) likes and uses “time” and “watch” themes 36) crimes done on popular holidays 37) leaves FLOV hints 38) likes to write out lines in cascade form, 39) hints the emphasize that he knows the ransom demands are phony with “big bills,” 40) he likes to use little figurines, like rabbits, snakes, daggers, nooses, male genitalia, acts of aggression, graphic sex, long a 41) likes Japanese themes 42)double underlines 43) lots of long-winded encrypted messages, too long really 44) repeats “My name is:” headers 45) manipulates letter styles 46) likes to include the message “air mail” with double underlines 47) favors “play on words” messages 48) handwriting matches throughout 49) By Rope, By Knife, By Gun, By Fire murder methods from Tim Holt “Wheel of Death” comic book theme 50) uses inverted cross hints 51) puts victim’s on display, shock and awe effect 52) obscured truer and more likely motives with diversionary methods 53)movie and play themes and dramatic phrases. 54) adds “water” themes 55) shows some effeminate behavior 56) leaves phony photo journals of victim’s. There’s even more. Anyway, the list of crimes that I point out the linkage among, via lots of study of mainly the documents are: Suzanne Degnan, Francis Brown/Chicago Lipstick, Black Dahlia, Grimes sisters, California Zodiac killer cases, OCCK cases, the Ramsey case and even the Anthrax case documents as well. A tough sell? Perhaps…. but perhaps not if presented properly!
Uh, okay. After reading all that…I’m supposed to take your opinions on the guilt or innocence of Kenny Christiansen seriously? I actually respect the opinions of Daniel and Shutter more than yours. I could say some other things here, but I think they are better left UN-said.
bLIEvens said: Uh, okay. After reading all that…I’m supposed to take your opinions on the guilt or innocence of Kenny Christiansen seriously? I actually respect the opinions of Daniel and Shutter more than yours. I could say some other things here, but I think they are better left UN-said.
“I actually respect the opinions of Daniel and Shutter more than yours.” Really, WOW, they both have rejected your “Kenny was Cooper” theme.
One can only hope that you would leave many many things “UN-said.” But I won’t get my hopes up in that regard. Oh, where did I use the term “opinion.” Never once did I use that term, whereas “opinion” is the key term that the killer’s camp likes to abuse the true meaning of. Valid “opinions” are based on true facts, not conjecture like you always resort too, Mr. bLIEvens.
Terry, to notice things that you need to be very observant. Have you ever tried to solve any of the Zodiac Killer’s encrypted messages?
Terry, to notice things that you need to be very observant. Have you ever tried to solve any of the Zodiac Killer’s encrypted messages?
Only after I was able to easily decode “Victory! S.B.t.C” did I try a similar approach on the 340 cipher. I used a simple alpha-numeric chart to do this, where the letter A=1, B=2, etc. Z=26. On the 340 cipher I noted the Greek symbol for a compass on the second line, row 5. I then took all of the letters that resembled either a p or a 9 (as best I can currently recall, I tried the 9’s). There was no fudge factor or number duality or reassignment involved, and the decoded numbers directly gave me the coordinates, which then gave me Pelican Butte, Oregon, which has a rather large and uncanny zig-zag trail leading up to it. I shelved this work only to later make attempts to use the zig-zag pattern on a transparency overlay sheet and laid it over, not only the rest of the 340 cipher, but the Ramsey note as well. Quite honestly and candidly I’ve discovered nothing further using that method, and wanting to have a normal life.. I again shelved that whole works. I later learned that there’s an old primal Pelican Zodiac sign. The “Victory! S.B.t.C” encryption is an elegantly simple puzzle to follow and understand. I do assert that the 340 cipher is laid out in quadrants, based on the FLOV evidence. At one time I noted and stated the fact that there are FLOV adjacent letter hints in the first two quadrants, and FLO hints in the last two, and that there was no other significant redundancy with any other letter-symbol combinations to be found. However, I was incorrect in that statement, there are in fact 6ea of these same FLO hints in all. Jack Tarrance’s mother’s middle name was Flova. The Ramsey note has an implied anagram of her name on line 10 of the Ramsey RN in the implied word “FolLaW,” which probably doubles as a fo-law or faux-law (fake law) hint as well. This last point comes via a complete roundup of all of the observations of similar hints, coupled with the case facts which show that the chief of police was hell bent to lay the crime on the Ramsey’s, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Is this my “opinion”, yes it is, but it’s based on several items of evidence that fully support it. Puzzle solving is not something I enjoy, neither is the task of repeatedly returning to the Ramsey RN after taking a few days away from it. First and foremost, I pursue the Ramsey case mainly out of a sense of civic duty. Otherwise, the Zodiac killer puzzles are not my forte’ and I don’t relish dealing with them. So far, I’d say that all I’ve seen about other people claiming that they’ve solved some of the unsolved puzzles, is that these same people are full of crap. Is the 340 cipher solvable? Probably, but I’m convinced that it must be dealt with as quadrant of 4ea puzzles. Are there more messages than the handful of easy ones that I myself have discovered on the Ramsey note? It’s very possible…to maybe even probable?
EDIT: I also recommended cast members Scott Rolle and Buddy Levy from the Decoded show to the production company in London. Although I think Christine McKinley has had enough of Cooper, Scott and Buddy have expressed an interest.
Daniel says:
“Terry, to notice things that you need to be very observant. Have you ever tried to solve any of the Zodiac Killer’s encrypted messages?”
Better to ask him if messages about these crimes come to him via radio signals transmitted from the Venusians through his dental fillings. 🙂
bLIEvens blurted: Better to ask him if messages about these crimes come to him via radio signals transmitted from the Venusians through his dental fillings. 🙂
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I suppose I could simply pull things out of my ass like bLIEvens apparently does.
“…and the decoded numbers directly gave me the coordinates, which then gave me Pelican Butte, Oregon, which has a rather large and uncanny zig-zag trail leading up to it. I shelved this work only to later make attempts to use the zig-zag pattern on a transparency overlay sheet and laid it over, not only the rest of the 340 cipher, but the Ramsey note as well. Quite honestly and candidly I’ve discovered nothing further using that method, and wanting to have a normal life.. I again shelved that whole works…”
Terry, I apologize in advance for this comment, but I used to hear the same stuff all night from people when I worked in that halfway house on the graveyard shift. I will leave it to your imagination on what type of folks lived there. Let’s just say that when we determined they were a danger to themselves or others…we called the MHP’s (slang for mental health professionals on-call) and had them delivered to Western State Hospital for a 28-day evaluation, and a re-adjustment of their meds.
I don’t think you are are a liar, but frankly, I suggest you seek help. I would bet any amount of money you are NOW…or HAVE BEEN…under care.
The highly hypocritical bLIEvens posted: Terry, I apologize in advance for this comment, but I used to hear the same stuff all night from people when I worked in that halfway house on the graveyard shift. I will leave it to your imagination on what type of folks lived there. Let’s just say that when we determined they were a danger to themselves or others…we called the MHP’s (slang for mental health professionals on-call) and had them delivered to Western State Hospital for a 28-day evaluation, and a re-adjustment of their meds.
And from a guy like bLIEvens, who dominates (hogs is a better term) this thread with pure bullshit.
The man asked me if I’d ever tried to work any of the ciphers in the Zodiac killer case, and I gave a honest, candid and detailed answer to that question. The simple methodology that I applied to the “Victory! S.B.t.C” cryptic sign off in the Ramsey case, coupled with the exacting results, is self-proof of the whole works. It’s truly “empirical” evidence. It’s not something that anyone can conjure up, it stands on it’s own merit. Furthermore, the idea of using a zig-zag pattern to decode “any” publication is almost older than the hills.
I didn’t work that zig-zag overlay extensively, meaning it could still prove itself to be useful in such a manner. Most of the work that I rely on has to do with direct evidence found right on the documents involved, which truly makes the evidence self-evident and self-supporting.
bLIEvens, you’re the one that truly needs help. However, I’d say that you’re beyond repair. You stay up until the wee hours to post your endless dribble. You wrap yourself up in habitual lies and seem to be dumb enough to think that you can lie your way out of your own lies! That’s how criminals end up in prison, they trip themselves up on their own lies. The fact that you’ve jumped right to the abuse of the term “opinion,” is clear proof to me that you’re a bonafide member of organize crime and a member of the killer’s camp. It’s called RICO, you fool! And, it makes me wonder if Jack didn’t assure his co-conspirators that they could always fall back on using the term “opinion” to cover for their lies? If so, then he’s truly and finally taunting and laughing at them!
Ramrodding “The Case of JonBenet Ramsey” by CBS in Sept of 2016, is a clear case of racketeering. As author Steven Singular pointed out, it’s tantamount to wholesale prospective jury tampering. The same goes for the very briefly reported ten year old “Reca was Cooper” phony story by the MSM. The same goes for the massive evidence of phony RDI bullshit on the net and especially on YouTube, massive efforts which take time and money to do! Now comes the nasty mr bLIEvens with the false and phony “Kenny was Cooper” pack of lies. He farts off some very compelling evidence in the world biggest murder mystery since the Jack the Ripper story, and follows up with more of his lousy filthy nonsense.
Cooper News: (Actual reality-based news, not hatred or emotional baggage) I am awaiting permission from the film producers to make the teaser reel on the Kenny/Cooper movie public at the main AB website. It’s been updated a bit. Until now, it has only been accessible by a provided username and password.
If we get permission, you will be able to view it in glorious hi-def tomorrow evening at the Restricted Videos page at Adventure Books of Seattle dot com. I think we will get permission, since I pointed out to them it couldn’t be easily copied, embedded, or reveal the names of either the creators or the production companies doing the picture.
It just IS. 🙂
Cooper News: Nothing comes free. In order for me to decide to release this video to Cooperland, I will want to see a sincere request to do it from Shutter. And it had better sound SINCERE and NICE…otherwise forget it. We will simply keep providing it to people we trust instead.
Better tap him on the shoulder or something.
Make him put up…or shut up. Once and for all. 🙂
I think there is a better chance of my ban getting lifted then that happening Robert….
The ‘Restricted Videos’ page at AB has been made invisible until we get an answer. Just saying.
For anybody interested, I was able to access blevins video….I set up my hd camera in front of my computer monitor and recorded it. If anybody is interested in seeing it simply shoot me an email nbnickyb233@gmail.com
Nicky
I see Bruce is back in town. Comments are being deleted.
Figures. 🙂
Yes, I am back from my three-week sojourn in New York to celebrate my mothre’s 94th birthday. I see that some of the lads here have not been on their best behavior and I have received numerous complaints. Hence, the scrubbing has begun.
IN fact, I am seriously considering taking down this page in its entirety. It’s just too much work to sort through hundreds of posts to find the offending posts that either list private information such as phone numbers, or accuse individuals of crimes.
Welcome Back Bruce, I hope you had a nice trip. As far as the happenings around here go would you expect anything less from the Blevins shutter saga…I don’t blame you for wanting to shut that show down that’s all it is in here very little productive cooper discussion which is unfortunate for me as I am writing my book and really need an outlet to discuss the case and I’m still banned from the dbc forum
Welcome home, Bruce. We missed ya. Behavior has been pretty good and inter-site fueding has backed down a bit. Blevins still dominates, but I do want to see if he comes through with his film. If he can pull it off, then I guess we all eat crow, especially the boys from across the site.
Lordy….. Nicky was actually Rackstraw posting here at MN? Georger is suing MN and Bruce Smith? Geez, leave for a few days and look what happens. Is Georger suing as “Georger?” lol..lol. Or did he change his name back to JW? Blevins probably knows something about this. Lots of issues, as FLYJACK stated.
I don’t believe Nicky is Rackstraw. I don’t even think Rackstraw knows or cares about this column since Rackstraw is not really discussed here. Nicky has also given out the same email address here for months, and I have received emails previously from Nick. Those emails match both a known identity at Facebook, and have the same email address that Nick has posted HERE. The Facebook identity is Nicky’s.
Due to this evidence, I don’t think Nicky is Rackstraw. At least not here at Mountain News.
I was told today that some newbie over at the Cooper Forum got banned for calling the main population there a bunch of grouchy old guys. 🙂 That was actually sort of funny.
I am perfectly in favor of deleting this entire article, along with all of its comments. (If anyone’s asking my opinion, which they are not.) There is only one way you can stop anonymous comments on a WordPress site. You can disallow the option for anonymous comments. That’s what I do over at mine.
Yes It seems I’m a hot topic of conversation today over at the dbc forum so let me address a couple things that have been brought into question. Shutter is kind enough to allow me to still view the forum despite my current ban so I keep tabs on the goings on over there and in recent days a new member joined the forum under the handle dr billy. Well doc made his first post the other day and I took noticed particularly because it bore an eerily similar resemblance to my first post on this very thread…he mentions being the youngest cooper slueth, carrying the torch and being around long after everyone in cooperland has died all of which I said In my post here which I found really strange. Apparently Shutter also took notice of this and assumed this was me back on the forum under an alias (no hard feelings) but was confused as to why billy’s ip was pinging from Seattle because he knows I’m in elsinore ca so he questioned him on this. The newbie took offense and proceeded to lash out at the forum calling them grumps ect. as reported by Blevins lol. That was a bad move as I learned you don’t cross the boss and shutter quickly dropped the ban hammer on him. I see both sides as I would be annoyed too if I was being accused of being a banned forum member with not exactly the best rep on the site lol but his reaction was poor. On the other hand I can certainly see how shutter would think that poster was me giving the similarities In our posts.. it was really strange how his very first post was almost identical to my very first post here but I can assure you shutter that it’s no me. This also spurred talk and old rumors that I am Robert Rackstraw. Although I had a personal relationship with airborne bob for a period of time and that’s why some mainly Derek Godsey believed I was him, I can assure you guys here at the mountain news that I am not.
“I can assure you guys here at the mountain news that I am not.” (Rackstraw)
I believe you. I already gave the reasons. I’m surprised that Shutter didn’t think it was ME…since my IP pings from the Seattle area, as well. But whoever DrBilly was, you have to give it to him for standing up for himself. He told Shutter that there were four million people in Seattle.
I guess I should tell you that a couple of people who lurk at Cooper Heaven sometimes drop me messages. I don’t think it’s a ‘bad’ website. Just kind of boring for the public since practically everything anyone posts there is blocked to the public and replaced with this:
“You are not allowed to view pictures of links. Register or Login.”
I’ve been told that my viewpoint is one-sided because over at the AB Forum, you have to register to see ANYTHING…even the homepage. Well, that’s true enough. But after three times at bat doing a forum, it’s more of a private message board now. You aren’t missing anything. Hardly anything goes on there anyway. I haven’t posted there myself in a while. It’s even boring to ME lol. 🙂
Takeback: In retrospect, I take back my suggestion to delete this entire article. That suggestion was a little self-serving.
To Bruce: Do you already know who the production company out of London is that is shooting the upcoming Cooper documentary? Maybe you have heard about them already? They’ve already put some film in the can on a previous US visit. Coming again in September for a final series of shoots. Pretty solid company. They’ve won several BAFTA’s (sort of like the British version of an Emmy) for their work. They told me they aren’t favoring one suspect over another, and it is not an investigatory documentary, but more of a Skyjack-inspired film. They’re going with a 90-minute format. If they want you to come on board, you should.
What do you guys think about using mvac technology in an effort to get a full dna profile off the tie? I would like to pitch it to the British and see if they’ll fund it like how travel channel funded the mccrones lab testing. Here is more info on the mvac dna extraction device http://www.m-vac.com/why-mvac
Sounds good, Nicky. It’s time we get at least a phenotype profile from the DNA: race, gender, ethnicity, etc.
Sure, why not? There are the usual problems here, but I suppose it’s possible. By ‘the usual problems,’ I mean the fact that the tie has already been through a lot via Citizen Sleuths, that who knows how many people have handled the tie before and after they had their shot at it, all the heavy metals or whatever they already drew from it, etc.
It’s a long shot, but I don’t see the harm in trying the wet vac method. Couldn’t hurt.
Not to over-post, but here is the email I sent to Dirk later, after I hung up on him. I figured he deserved to know why, since I seldom do that to people:
‘Hello Dirk,
Let me say this to you and the supporters on Walter Reca:
Virtually no one in the DB Cooper community supports your scenario. Not because Reca couldn’t possibly be Cooper. But because the flight path of 305 is heavily and extremely documented. It never turned toward Spokane, and never went near Cle Elum. All during the time you were making this film, did you ever consider how the money arrived at Tina Bar on the Columbia River? Did you even KNOW that the flight was being tracked by not only SAGE radar after its takeoff from Seattle, but by Air Traffic Control and two jets scrambled out of McChord AFB as well? Or that the pilots were reporting their status during the entire flight?
Any idea that Flight 305 actually went east instead of south is pure fantasy. This massive error on the part of the Reca folks puts the lie to anything else you might claim. It’s like saying the Titanic was actually headed for South America instead of New York. It is also well documented by the crew of 305 that the airstairs indicator light never flashed until the flight was roughly over the Ariel, WA area. That happens when the release lever for the stairs is activated.
My apologies for hanging up on you like that, but like Fletcher (actor John Vernon) said in the film, The Outlaw Josie Wales:
“Don’t piss down my back, and then try to tell me it’s raining…”
Sincerely, Robert’
I know some shy away from suspects regarding norjack but I though it would be fun to have the faithful at the mountain news weight in… rank you’re too 3 suspects in order. Here are my top 3.
1. James Edward Klansnic / John Shorkey Sr.
2. Sheridan Peterson
3. Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan isn’t Cooper. He is way too nice, and would absolutely reject the idea of threatening people just for money. He would consider it beneath him.
His submitted bio when he ran for a school board position in California really says it all:
http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/sn/vote/peterson_s/paper3.html
Lol come on Robert first words out of flows mouth during the press conference is he was really very nice cooper was a gentlemen and went out of his way to make sure the passengers didn’t know what was going on not to startle them so sounds like a nice guy to me. I love this discussion and to here other apps view points this is productive unlike others energy that is sucked by the vortex I think you know what I mean Robert…
Correction. I believe those were Tina’s words In the press conference about him being very nice. Also kennny was gay so the fact cooper never flirted or made a pass at either stew helps his case who I would probably rank 4th definately ahead of rackstraw who would of flirted or have said something or out of the way this I know.
I just don’t see Sheridan as the hijacker. A known civil-rights activist. A teacher. Freely cooperated with the FBI when he came under suspicion and moved on. Blue eyes. Wrote a 668 page book against the Vietnam War. I could go on.
It’s hard to imagine he would stoop to some crazy plan like constructing a briefcase with a bomb and then threatening people with it, just to get his hands on some money. He would consider that beneath him I think. 🙂
I don’t think petey did it Robert see #1 on my list those are your guys in my humble opinion.
Okay. You think Klansnic did it. Have to provide more than just a resemblance to the sketch. Even Bing Crosby looks like the sketch. 🙂
Aside from the composite sketch Robert. He had the olive complection so much so he had a nickname at Boeing agent orange second he fits the the height, weight, age description of the initial report into the fbi exactly. Some things I was able to learn about Klansnic, he had stained hands so did coop. Klansnic sufferered an injury right around norjack that slowed him down… a family member told me he wasn’t able to do as much of the physical activities he loved like skiing as he’d like to. Klansnics brother lived in cottage grove Oregon where a week before the skyjacking a report came in about a low flying plane dropping flares to the ground over cottage grove Oregon. Have you guys thought of the possibility that the red sticks in the briefcase were actually road flare and he used them to light up his landing area? Here is the sincher for me though Robert…klansnic’s best friend of over 50 years John Shorkey Sr. worked for the hydraulic’s division of the sperry rand Corp called vickers. Shorkey was working at the vickers manufacturing facility in Seattle from the early 50’s until 73. I did some research and found out Sperry rand Corp who owned vickers at the time had other divisions besides vickers one being it’s univac division. What is the relevance you might ask? Well I found out vickers shared the manufacturing facility in Seattle with univac. Univac was the first commercial computer produced in the U.S. they were manufacturing vacuum crt tubes for there computer monitors, Radar screens, and oscilloscopes. I was even able to find a patent sperry Corp had filed on the crt tube. If you read Kaye’s citizen slueth report the manufacturing facility Shorkey worked at is a perfect match. The hydraulic’s department had metal fabrication going on which would also account for the spiral metal particles found by Kaye as well!
A couple of people that I like as suspects are Sheridan Peterson, and William Frederick Hanneman. Not sure if either were eliminated as suspects and why if they were.
No big deal, but I’ve been sort of busy lately and no longer respond to further posts here. Anything new on the Cooper case we have goes to the AB Forum. If you have any outside questions, though…I’m not hard to find. 🙂
Ha! I couldn’t resist.
‘Shutter’ has called this life story of mine a lie on a few occasions. I told him to call the US Forest Service rangers at the Lake Ozette station. They’re the ones who fed me, and lent me the coat hanger to open my vehicle later. Since they searched the shoreline for my backpack, and gave me the third degree for some of the things they discovered inside it, I’m sure they remember.
Have a great Fourth of July, my friends. 🙂
https://www.quora.com/What-would-it-feel-like-to-be-very-far-out-in-the-middle-of-the-ocean-at-night-without-a-boat/answer/Robert-Blevins-2
Not that anyone’s interested, but I’m blowing town for a three day camping trip to the Olympics. I leave early morning on Saturday, July 7th, and return the following Monday. I may do a comedy bit for YouTube while I’m out there. It’s okay to put your nose to the grindstone, but occasionally you have to get away once in a while. I don’t exactly rough it these days, if you’re asking. 🙂
No, and apparently neither were Christianson and Geestman when they were hiding out in their fully outfitted Winnebago at Paradise Park immediately after the hijacking of flight 305.
Brother, are you behind the times, or what? That was a guess made almost ten years ago. We already know for SURE, via testimony from multiple family witnesses and friends…that their first stop after they left Bonney Lake was Geestman’s shop and property in Oakville, WA. That’s where Geestman stored the trailer about six weeks prior to the hijacking.
That was on a Tuesday, the day before the hijacking. We figure the men prepared, did their last-minute planning, etc that evening. The next day…
Geestman drives Kenny to Portland, drops him off, returns to Oakville to wait for a phone call at the shop building. (We weren’t sure there WAS a phone at the shop until just recently, but we’ve been working with Geestman’s family lately.)
Take a look on Google Maps and see where Oakville is in relation to the airport and Bonney Lake. If you were planning on jumping not long after takeoff, it was a perfect spot to wait. Unfortunately, due to certain circumstances, Kenny was forced to jump further south than he planned. (I have a comparison map loaded on one of the WordPress articles if you bothered to look at any of the articles.)
Since the trailer AND wagon showed up back in Bonney Lake the following Monday after the hijacking…
We figure Geestman…once he got that phone call…hooked up the trailer and went Kenny hunting. Picked him up…probably had him ride in the trailer…and went back to Bonney Lake. At least that’s how this part will be presented in the movie. 🙂
Kenny’s story is going national, maybe international. Get used to it. You and a few friends on an internet forum have nothing to do with it, nothing to say about it. You had your chance. You turned it down. No use now complaining if you don’t like the results.
To be official and fair, some of the above should substitute ‘Cooper’ for ‘Kenny’. Officially… 🙂
Love your style, Blevins. I wish you were allowed to post over at the Shutter site. I think you and Mr. Georgie Porgie would have the site in full throttle disarray until about 2025. Not buying your version of events. But if a film crew buys it, God bless. Nothing but pure conjecture, speculation and innuendo. As good as any story, I suppose, without a scintilla of proof. The real D B Cooper could be anybody. Do you have an acting role in the movie? You know, protagonist, or propagandist in chief? How bout Bruce? He could play himself, acting as a channeler for the CIA, while disguised as a journalist for the MN.
I suppose that was a compliment wrapped inside an insult. (*smiles*)
Look…the film production company execs took a very good look at what we had, and it’s extensive. Getting the cooperation from Geestman’s family was a big help. Unfortunately, due to the confidentiality agreements we signed with the studios, I can’t comment on anything we discovered over approximately the last 18 months, and that is more than you might think.
Truth is, I don’t owe Cooperland a damn thing. For the most part, many of their members have come after me personally, sometimes using dirty tricks, for one reason or another. They often misrepresent us, misquote, even call us names. So we privatized the AB Forum and shut down all new information access. Then I quit posting to the AB Forum anyway, figuring that we’d put that in a holding pattern until either the movie comes out or they at least do a trailer on it. Right now, you can view the two minute teaser reel these guys did for the upcoming movie, but you have to not only be a member, but on either the AB Staff or a mod at the forum to see it. We can’t trust ANYBODY in Cooperland, and that’s the truth.
Cooperland doesn’t WANT to know the truth. They live for the discussion. An actual solution to the crime would be counterproductive to all that. Cooper Heaven believes they have somehow ‘shut us down’ by ignoring us or bad-mouthing us. That’s a joke. What’s really happening is that Cooper Heaven is now looked upon badly in several quarters, and being ignored by others. But they brought this on themselves by their actions. In some ways, they are still a good site on Cooper, but definitely slanted on things.
I got a Z car to restore before August 10. I have a movie script to review for historical accuracy because the person I tagged to do it passed on it. I just dumped Gayla’s 91 Civic and bought her a nice 1997 Pathfinder for fifty bucks less than I got for her car. I am in communication with the producers at least twice a week, email, Skype, phone. I am BUSY. I have no time for baloney.
I haven’t been Mr Perfect, either. I lied about Shutter’s friend, but that was nothing compared to the hundreds of nasty comments he has allowed about both Gayla and myself over the last four years. Even I can lose my temper sometimes, but it’s rare. And I apologized for that.
Brother, I need a vacation. That’s why I’m heading into the Olympics this weekend. Maybe I’ll shoot a comedy video or something. I liked ‘Stickman’, the video I did in 2015, but the wind noise on the microphone was just too much. 🙂
EDIT: As far as being ‘allowed’ to post at Cooper Heaven…I wouldn’t go near that place today if they sent me a gold-edged invitation. “They deserve each other over there…” this was said by Jeannie, aka ‘Amazon’ at Dropzone. She’s a long term member there, and I have met her personally. She paid me to come fix her front porch. 🙂
Oh. Then Jeannie knew Georgie Porgie too.
Jeannie knows everybody. Her nickname is Amazon due to her height and size. Nice person indeed, but not someone to cross. She has more boats on her property than anyone else I’ve ever known. She wants to sell a couple of them. I told her that some of them were so big, she could rent them out as apartments.
Nah. Cooper stuff bothers me sometimes, but then I try to look at things in perspective. At least I’m still breathing. 🙂
https://www.quora.com/What-would-it-feel-like-to-be-very-far-out-in-the-middle-of-the-ocean-at-night-without-a-boat/answer/Robert-Blevins-2
What does Amazon think of Georgie Porgie?
I just quoted her general observation to me on Cooper Heaven. But that was two or three years ago.
If you want personal opinions from her on specific people…you should ask her yourself.
What’s her number?
I think it’s the one below. 🙂
https://youtu.be/ON56AKnqbog
Silly question to ask, you know. Especially on a public forum. I don’t even KNOW you. Not that this makes you a bad person or anything, but half the folks who post here do so under assumed identities. That’s fine, but it also comes with trust limitations.
She’s a senior, long-term member of Dropzone. Not one of the Cooper folk. A REAL skydiver with an impressive record of jumps. I’m sure you could connect with her if you tried. 🙂
Come on Blevins, cut the shit, top flight investigator like you can do better than that. We want to believe you but you need to produce, dude. Show us one of christianson’s twenties. Show us the deed of sale on his house. Show us a confession letter. Show us a picture of you and Geestman together. If you can’t produce, just say it, man. Your reputation is going to out with the dishwasher unless you have something. Anything. Just quit spinning yarns.
I’m not a ‘top-flight investigator’. I’m a sci-fi writer, book editor, and toilet-scrubber who got roped into this whole thing a PI in New York. You think I would get any satisfaction from spinning tales about DB Frickin’ Cooper? Or misrepresenting what is available up in 2018 regarding the guilt or innocence of both KC and Geestman? They wouldn’t have given us the first dramatic feature film on the hijacking if anyone involved thought that. You have no idea what’s going on, and neither do you have an identity.
This is a big difference between us. I’m not afraid to put what I have out there on Main Street and place my name behind it. Sure, we’ve stumbled along the way, but when we did we simply went forward, corrected what was necessary, and provided updated information. These things are not directed at Cooperland, or even Cooper Heaven, but the general public.
See the twenty articles at WordPress. Shoot me a question via the legitimate route. Or wait for the money. What we CAN release, HAS been released. Some anonymous poster (you) believes you are on the Trust List around here? I didn’t just fall off the apple cart last Tuesday, you know. 🙂
EDIT: Or wait for the money.
Should be: Or wait for the MOVIE. Of course we don’t have any of the bills. They were spent long ago, I’m sure…except for the ones found at Tina Bar. Wouldn’t want to start a rumor. 🙂
Blevins, you are a funny man. I got you figured out. Bruce was wrong to call you a “crazy mutherfucker.” No. You are just an old retired fart who missed the last train. You hang around the station and repeat the same stuff over and over since about 2008. The train is long gone. The work on Christianson was over in 2008. Just as it was over for Weber in about 2003. And it is almost over for Tom Colbert. Jo went away and Colbert has enough money and connections to pump for another 6 months. But you, as a retiree, can keep trying to game everyone cause there’s no cost to you. Just your time. And you have plenty. Your approach is so obvious. Repeat the same stuff over and over, challenging all to prove you wrong. That is the fiat work of investigations. Your beckon to play the game further is the fantasy of an old man. Pretty much everyone is on to you. Surely your dreams of a film will satisfy the bit of ego you have remaining. But for most Cooper afficianados, your can has been kicked down the road a long time ago. Sorry to be so straight forward, but your lingering presence here is proof you are out of juice.
Out of juice? That’s funny on a few levels. If I were out of juice on the Cooper case, they wouldn’t have bypassed everyone else and signed us to a movie contract paying a minimum of X (it’s a lot) dollars and a percentage of the film. And allowed me some control over the script. I don’t know where YOU live in the Cooper case, (maybe a member of Cooper Heaven going under an anonymous identity?) but we live in Reality City around here.
You should define ‘Cooper aficionados’ sometime. If you mean a few people over at an internet forum covering a case nearly a half-century old, then I understand. If you mean the general public, then you have some work to do.
An opinion from (another) anonymous source means about as much to me as reviewing spam and then deleting it without reading. 🙂
Since these production companies have already paid me several thousand dollars, do Skype and email with me all the time, bought a ton of copies of Blast, created special promo packs using briefcases and items associated with the hijacking, and created a teaser reel on the movie…might mean they are serious. You think?
How do you think I financed Gayla’s latest rig? 🙂
http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=506292&postcount=1
Admittedly, I did sell her Honda Civic for fifty bucks more than I paid for the Pathy. But every bit helps.
FYI: I am leaving tomorrow afternoon for the Olympics and will be gone until Monday. When I said I no longer rough it, what I meant was I pack a really big tent now, and an outdoor shelter just as large. Using a set of 100 amp-hour deep cycle batteries and an inverter, I can power a 32″ Samsung TV, a DVD player, portable stereo, some lights other than the propane ones, and even a video game system. If that fails, there’s always the small gas generator with the 150′ extension cord. (Keeps the noise out of campsite)
Anyone who actually believes I’m just some old guy who sits around on his butt doesn’t know me very well. I still run two businesses, work an average of four days a week, and could climb Mt. Rainier pretty much anytime I wanted, if I had a mind to do it. Then there are the occasional book edits, and I’m wrapping up my autobiography…appropriately titled ‘Cooperland’. I always get a kick out of people who post up stuff without ever having met me, because they usually get everything backwards.
I’m a lot like my grandfather, ‘Mac’. He lived to be 96 and was still out fishing by himself until the month before he died. Stubborn, yes. Opinionated, even MORE yes. Smart, yes. Lie down and just take it from people? Definitely NO. 🙂
In the end, it was only pneumonia that got him, and in the hospital he spent his time cussing out the nurses when they forgot the ketchup for his rice. For some reason, after he came back from twenty years in Manila, he always had to have ketchup with the rice. 🙂
Are you looking for long lost fame, Blevins? Your posts are juvenile. No one gives a shit where you go camping. Really. Bruce didn’t want to go camping with you. What does that tell you? lol.
It tells me that he missed out on a good time. What else? Besides, I usually head out alone. If people are coming along, it’s generally because I get requests from people, or sometimes others show up from the Infamous Nissan website. I make an announcement where I’m going and when…and then give them the cell number and the CB channel. 🙂
You sound jealous. Just a bit. The reason I invited Bruce a couple of times was because I wanted to get to know him before offering him a minor script job. I don’t just turn someone loose on a script based on OUR investigatory files, OUR book…to someone I only met once, and six years ago. Not without a serious discussion on what is expected, and their role in all of it.
You call my posts juvenile. I call them a comeback to some of the bullshit and lies I’ve seen posted about me. Some of you speak of me as if I’m your next door neighbor.
Now, come on. Be honest. Which lackey from Cooper Heaven ARE you, anyway? (*laughs*) When you asked me for Amazon’s phone number publicly, it was a giveaway. I should have given it to you and watched the results, which would have been funny indeed. She’s not someone to be messed with. Trust me on this. 🙂 She’s also the one who gave me the straight scoop on why Sangiro (admin) at Dropzone closed down the Cooper thread. Some of you blamed that on me. In reality, it was three other people who kept bitching and whining and complaining to Sangiro in private messages. One of them is a major member of Cooper Heaven today.
‘They deserve each other over there…” I couldn’t agree more.
Blevins, I actually was on your side for awhile, telling others to give you a shot at redeeming yourself, and to quit bullying you. But dude, you didn’t produce squat. If you had something substantial with qualifying evidence, you still would be in the game and getting respect of other so called Cooperites, or whatever you call them. But the only thing you produce is rhetoric with no substance. That’s like saying Peter Pan was Cooper and then making everyone else try to prove that it wasn’t Peter Pan. Common sense, guy. I thought you might have it, but I guess we all now know that isn’t the case. I just took longer than the rest to figure this out. Sorry Blevins, but I can roll with you no longer.
Look…you don’t have to defend your former and current positions regarding KC and Geestman. This is a polarizing subject. Either people strongly believe they were involved, or they absolutely reject the entire idea. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground with those two, I swear.
All I can present is what I HAVE presented, as of about January 2017. The 52-page report that went to the Seattle FBI, the semi-famous video or two, the twenty (and counting) illustrated articles at WordPress. It’s all there.
Almost…
The one thing that is missing is any information we gathered AFTER January 2017, which is covered under the confidentiality agreement we signed with the production companies. THAT’S why I have said here that for me to discuss Kenny and Bernie in public (these days) just isn’t fair. It isn’t fair to YOU, the public, or anyone in Cooperland right now. Even I know you can’t tell people, “Well, we found out quite a bit by interviewing members of the Geestman family, and through other sources…but we can’t tell you what we discovered…so THERE…”
It just plain ain’t fair to anyone. God knows, I would love to reveal everything we know, but if I did they could cancel my contract, and frankly…they want a few things to stay a mystery for the movie. Well, hell…they’re the ones putting up the bucks, so who am I to go behind their backs and possibly screw up the entire picture? We shouldn’t even BE discussing Kenny on this thread. Maybe Rackstraw, or Peterson, or maybe even Reca. But right now KC is a dead subject. I tell people, wait for the movie…then I will tell everything.
One thing I CAN tell you (its allowed) is that the producers are planning to name FBI agent John Jarvis as the guy who finally blew the whistle on why the FBI closed the case. That evidence has been so heavily documented by AB of Seattle that someone must be made to answer for it. And someone WILL.
EDIT:
“But right now KC is a dead subject. I tell people, wait for the movie…then I will tell everything…”
OR…if they CANCEL the picture. Same thing.
Now…SOME people are currently in possession of ALL the information, but those are only very trusted folks, and very few…those with direct access to a Staff-Only thread at the AB Forum. And right now that’s only three people officially, with a few others given the main password that lets them view the Staff thread by using my admin sign-in credentials. They didn’t have to register, in other words. These are real people with real ID’s whom we have known and trusted for years.
You actually still use a CB? Do you have a handle too? Oh, I shouldn’t ask. Smokey and the Blevins. Where’s your campsite? I think I’ll stop by and have a weinie. I’ll bring marshmellows. I’m serious.
I picked up a CB again for the Eclipse Campout to Magone Lake, Oregon. Mostly when others show up at my campsites, they just call me on the cell. Some of us bought handheld and mobile CB’s for the eclipse because they’re cheap, you don’t need a license, and everyone knows how to use one. It came in handy when a couple of folks got lost on the way to the lake. Mostly it’s just for emergency use where a cell won’t reach. The Olympics are famous for that. With a CB you can often convince someone out there to make a landline call for you if you get into trouble. At night, they have great range.
It’s complicated. For REAL emergencies, I use a Baofeng 8-watt ham unit, handheld with a mobile antenna you stick onto the roof of your rig. But not everybody has one for a casual campout, and not everyone knows how to use them. So for the eclipse trip, we went cell phone and old school. 🙂
No hot dogs on camping trips. My belief is that you might as well buy the best food you can afford if you’re going to drag everything way out into the middle of nowhere.
Pictures from the eclipse trip:
http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=489146&postcount=13
Bruce should have come on that trip. Everyone had a lot of fun. If I went into details, this would be a novel. 🙂
So where in the Olympics is this weekend’s campout? I know the Olympics like the back of my hand. Tell me exactly where you’ll be and I will show up on Saturday. Don’t need a CB or cell. My navigation skills are superb. Just give me the exact campsite address. I will look for you. In fact, can’t wait to meet you. Johnnie.
You are joking, of course. (‘Johnnie Greene’) That information is restricted to people I actually KNOW, or have interacted with in a normal manner. For all I know, you’re just some fifth-grader sitting in front of a computer in Rhode Island. Or something. 🙂
Gotta go. Back on Monday.
Come on, Blevins. You aren’t afraid of a 5th grader, R U? Just give the campsite address and i’ll meet you there. Wont bring Shutter for protection. Just little ol me. And you. Come on, Blevins, the address. My F-250 is ready to go. You’ll know its me when you hear the roar of the diesel.
Guess the poster with the moster, Blevins, got scared off. No one ever before called him a “coward” since he is so prolific with his posts. Now, we all wonder! Didn’t Christianson go camping with 5th graders? Blevins……. You out there in the woods? Man Up!
Bob a coward? I read these posts about him off and on but this is the first time Ive ever said anything because mostly I couldnt care less about DB Cooper. Hes got a lot more courage in his little finger than you have in your whole body. Hes stood up to people like you for years and given it right back to them lol. I called him on the cell today and told him what you said. His answer is that he is at the end of the road at Trap Pass and bets you dont have the guts to try going up there in your truck. I made him take my new pathfinder up there since the road is so rough that it tore off the license plate on his truck the last time. Bob has told me so many times about you guys and the things youve said and I get sick of it. Hes right when he says all of you are just mad because of the movie. Well too bad for you Joe. You should have listened to him and worked with him when you had the chance. And don’t bother coming after me with your ugly comments. My dad was a lifer in the Marine Corps and a hero in Vietnam. I know about tough and about cowards. My Bob is tough enough and plenty courageous.
Editor’s Note. A few words of this post were removed due to their offensive nature.
Lol. Blevins, you do have some guts to use Gayla’s name in your post. More lol.
Hiding behind Gayla’s name won’t score you any points, big bad dude that you are. Gayla’s probably back at the ranch scrubbing the toilets that you didnt want to scrub. Anyway, you don’t fool anyone.
Georger has already posted that you live in Auburn, WA. Adventure Books run out of your apartment and RG Toilet Scrubbing same address. Then there’s always your lecture circuit at Auburn Days comin up. Hope the Pathfinder is hidden in the bushes. You can stay up all night with your .22 and keep a look out. My F-250 is black. Have another marshmallow.
“My Bob?” “Courageous?” Poor Gayla is left back in Auburn cleaning people’s cans while you are hiding out in the Olympics from me? With Gayla’s New Pathfinder. You must have found internet hook up in the Olympics where you post as Gayla while she does your shit work back in Auburn. Gayla claimed to have posted on the DZ too, but i doubt that. “My Bob, such a courageous man.” Don’t burn the marshmallows thinking about this, dude.
He said he was leaving on Saturday…I think he tried to act like he left Friday so he didn’t have to take you but the coward comment was too much for him to leave alone so in comes the Gayla cover who speaks just like him lol..
No kidding. Gayla probably cusses too, therefore the edit. Lol
Shutter, next time Blevins goes camping, you outta invite Gayla to go with you out in the Everglades. I bet she would jump on it. Dear ol courageous Bob can come looking for ya. Lol…..lol
good luck with that lol…I guess this should be where I say I fought off a 12 foot gator and bit the head off of a water moccasin 🙂 the levy was so rough I spilled my soda. this will be in my auto biography titled ” My 41 Years In The Everglades”
read about my near death adventures with many different types of critters out to kill me. my “courage” kept me alive!! my license plate didn’t come off, the whole back of my truck did 🙂 sadly, my camera went with it so documenting this is purely believable to most of the gullible and those with tin foil hats 🙂
The first thousand copies get a lock of hair that just might hold the courage you all seek..don’t “bypass” this offer while you have the chance..act now call (1-800-courage) operators are standing by…
Have you considered Adventure Books of Auburn, WA to publish your book? Supposedly, they have a top notch editor on staff who only deals with truthful manuscripts.
ps. I hear water moccasin is tasty.
Gayla: This is the first time I’ve ever heard you speak. I’m impressed, you sound like a great lady and true friend to Robert. All the best to you….Meyer Louie
Louie, Gayla doesn’t really speak.. Robert does all the speaking for her. But Shut and me might send you out on a welfare check to see if SHE is ok. Lol.
I Spoke with Derek Godsey the other day and he had some interesting news to share with me. According to him he recently got in touch with some of Tina Mucklow’s family and as of last week learned that she had ID’d LD Cooper as the hijacker before the fbi cleared him through DNA.
Whoa. That would be Big News.
Derek? Wassup
Bruce I like the pic you posted over on shutters site that 94 camry looks cherry my friend!
Thanks Nick – it’s a 1994, with 154,000 miles. 30 mpg. I’m zoomin’.
Meyer Louie says:
“Gayla: This is the first time I’ve ever heard you speak. I’m impressed, you sound like a great lady and true friend to Robert. All the best to you….Meyer Louie..”
Same to you, sir. I just returned home today from the Olympics. I will be posting up some pictures and a short bit at the AB Forum about something I saw that was just the worst kind of thievery. Camped near the dead end on a remote Forest Service road, and yesterday I took a walk all the way to the dead end. Found this: Someone had cut down an old growth tree and hauled it away and it wasn’t anything the Forest Service handed out a permit to do. By counting rings, I estimated the tree to be around 230-250 years old. Took pictures. Made report to FS office before going home.
About Gayla: I warned her not to look at comments here. You are right. She hardly says a thing except on Facebook and none of it is about AB of Seattle or DB Cooper. To her, Cooper is a big pain in the ass. The phone calls from Cooper folks we’ve never heard of, (we finally implemented Anonymous Call Rejection from Comcast cable) the many trips out of town doing interviews, an office half-filled with files on KC and Geestman, dealing with the Boys from Hollywood, and avoiding the nasty comments. She’s heard enough about all that from me.
But the REAL reason she finally spoke up was because she was THERE at Greg’s house when he showed us the 60-80 screenshots from Cooper Heaven where her name was occasionally used, and the anti-Blevins Tiresome Tirade that was (formerly) going on THERE…and now lives HERE instead.
She won’t be posting here anymore. I asked her not to do that, because then the haters always come out of the woodwork. It’s a ‘Cooper Thing’. It’s what they do sometimes. But these people are wasting their time, and in fact…their nasty comments have helped us to some degree. That’s right, folks…YOU helped us convince people in Hollywood that they should avoid YOU and come to US.
How did this crazy thing happen? It happened because when you went overboard with all that, it was easy for me to point all that out to our supporters…and they agreed it was ridiculous. So thanks. I will remember you all when I deposit that check on first day of production shooting, laughing at you all on the way to the bank. 🙂
You accomplished exactly less than zero trying to squash the KC story, but I will hand it to you that you tried really hard. Trouble was, you went overkill and drove the folks who really count right to our door.
PS: Camry is good. My old man drives one. (Yeah, he still drives) Still going way past 200K miles. Not much goes wrong with them, and if it does, it isn’t usually hard to fix.
only questions remaining then…………how did you get Gayla to sound like you? Write like you? Talk like you? Rationalize like you? Lie like you? Cover-up like you? Is she a bot, or does she just do a good impression of you.?
with personalities that close Gayla would have a very hard time staying away and would be right there posting away making it almost impossible not to get involved just as Robert will stay up until the sun come up and often does keeping the drama alive..I go to bed and he’s posting away, I wake up at 5/6/7 am and yep, he’s still up..he did the same on the DZ with loads of excuses to boot..it’s a pattern hard to hide with time stamps 🙂
Give it a break, Shutter. You talk about a few late night posts. One whole section of your website is dedicated to me. How late did you stay up creating that? Didn’t do much good, did it? And I think Gayla is allowed one single Cooper-related post in ten years. That’s about the length of time since we got involved with this Cooper thing. Fortunately, my part in all this is soon coming to an end.
FYI: Often when I didn’t have to work the following day, I would come home, sleep, and then stay up pretty late. Mostly normal stuff. This was a common phenomenon among DZ posters, too. Not just me.
You’ve spent mucho time and effort trying to discredit us. But the more you hit your head against the wall…the better in the long run it was for AB of Seattle. I will give it to you for pulling out all the stops, allowing some pretty darn nasty stuff on your site. I have been told this has slacked off tremendously. Guess you guys figured out I wasn’t lying to you when I said you were actually BRINGING attention to us. Let’s face it…it was the overboard stuff that helped us get the movie contract. 🙂 I suppose I should thank you for that.
“…only questions remaining then…………how did you get Gayla to sound like you? Write like you? Talk like you? Rationalize like you? Lie like you? Cover-up like you? Is she a bot, or does she just do a good impression of you.?”
How do you do such a good impression of being a nobody? I mean, you’re damn good at it. 🙂
Answer this first: Which lackey from Cooper Heaven ARE you…and why are you afraid to answer. One difference between us is that if you hit my name up there in the corner, it actually GOES to something.
Never mind. You don’t have to answer. The truth is, she’s really the computer ‘HAL’ from the famous movie. I picked her up at a Hollywood auction. 🙂
“I’m sorry Dave…I can’t do that…”
Johnny is not from my forum…I thought personal attacks were not allowed here?
“Which lackey from Cooper Heaven”
What? Are you kidding me or what? The term ‘lackey’ is a designate, not name calling. Okay…thanks for answering my question. We will assume ‘Johnny Greene’ is not a member of Cooper Heaven.
Please don’t speak to me of ‘attacks’ when you refused to remove even ONE of the nasty comments you allowed at Cooper Heaven. I sent you a short list from more than sixty screenshots drawn from four years of posts. Many were made after your famous ‘Final Notice’ post where YOU said that would no longer be allowed LOL.
Look in the mirror sometime, my friend.
Blevins, since you have admitted that you are not a good investigator, and we all believe you since you cannot provide ANY proof at all that KC was Cooper, then maybe you can be a volunteer tree policeman. Maybe a ring counter too. We can get you a badge if you want and you can go around and try busting people for knocking down old growth trees that were probably dead or dying. Blevins the forest cop. Blevins the crusader against eco-terrorism. Self-appointed, with camera in hand. da da. da da. Is it Dirty Hairy or Barney Fife with a camera?
Is it Dirty Hairy or Barney Fife with a camera?
You mean the “courageous” Dirty Hairy or Barney Fife with a camera?
🙂
you are not on a forum that is yours..you try to play goodie goodie while having multiple forums for years full of the same thing you complain about…you tie up a forum that doesn’t belong to you complaining about me…going on 2,000 comments and most of them have my name on it from you…spare me your deadlines son..
tell some more stories like the summer on Ozette lmao
must be a couple hundred on the DZ against you, why the free card?
let me play your game…those comments are years ago…water under the bridge nobody see’s them anymore lol stop whining about the past..blah blah blah
🙂
Why bother using Cooper Heaven to come after folks when you can simply do it here, right? Four in a row? Not a record, but it’s close.
You actually STILL believe that I’ve never been to Ozette Island…and that what happened over there on one trip was just a big lie? That actually falls into the realm ‘stubborn and silly’ Shutter. You could have called the rangers at the Ozette Station by now…something I suggested you do a long time ago. Ask them why they kept the Tupperware box they found on the beach when they searched for my backpack. (*laughs*) You are funny indeed.
I’d point you to the post and pictures I made at the AB Forum regarding that 200-250 year old tree someone viciously hacked to pieces, but you’re not a member of the AB Forum and couldn’t see it anyway. And living in Florida, which is a nice place (for now) I don’t think you guys have the trees we have around here, and that’s not your fault. Maybe you’re the kind of guy who…if you saw someone dumping a truckload of used oil offroad in the Everglades…would offer to turn the release valve for them. 🙂
I don’t really care about what you do off the internet Robert..it’s no business of mine nor is it needed on a Cooper forum…
I never once said you were not on Ozette Island…
“His story is very reminiscent of a Tom Sawyer type of tale. He even claims to have spent a whole summer on Ozette one year, leaving only long enough to restock his supplies.” lost at sea 4 days on that site…
“Tale” is right 🙂
all this crap belongs on your forum..tell all the members on your forum, Facebook etc. plenty of social sites. you have made this your personal site when it’s not..it’s a COOPER site…where COOPER is suppose to be discussed….it’s non stop Shutter and adventures of Robert Blevins..
you have made 5-6 posts in a row (multiple times) and yet you whine about me?
welcome back to your site…
please continue …I’m out of here…
“I never once said…”
LOL. You just DID. And you HAVE previously on your own website, and HERE. Who do you think you are kidding? Brother, you just don’t like being corrected on anything, do you?
Sympathy link about the tree-related camping trip. With pictures. It’s at Infamous Nissan, a site much nicer than yours, I can assure you. 🙂
http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=506469&postcount=17382
Shutter if you are gonna come on here and continue to be argumentative with blevins then please don’t go posting on your forum bashing the TMN for all it’s drama when 95% of all the bickering going here involves you and your co conspirator RMB….it’s disrespectful to Bruce.
yep, and he will continue as he did when I wasn’t here so it doesn’t make a difference. the point is he’s using this site as a tool against me as he has done with other avenues.
It’s disrespectful for Robert to constantly bashing my forum on TMN. nobody stops him even after complaints filed. only returned for this comment….
“please continue …I’m out of here…” posted at 7:09 PM
Nicky is right. I’m not perfect by any means, and that is proven by the fact that I posted up an outright lie regarding Shutter’s friend. ONCE. I lost my temper after I reviewed (with Greg and Gayla in attendance) more than sixty screenshots of comments from Cooper Heaven that were beyond the pale. My bad, my fault. But the guy never quits. I have the most easygoing personality on Planet Earth, and the patience of Job…but even I have a limit. And I apologized for that. HE…on the other hand…cannot admit when he is occasionally wrong, which goes to character.
Shutter has made a science of not only spreading disinformation about me personally, but taking the Low Road route. I don’t apologize for my life, such as it is. It IS what it IS. 🙂
Shutter seems to lash out at everyone and anyone who disagrees with him, or calls him on the carpet. He believes he can say what he wishes, do what he wishes, and no one will challenge him on it.
Well, like John Carradine said in ‘The Grapes of Wrath’:
“I talked BACK…” 🙂
Robert Blevins…..You are your own worst enemy. A self-admitted liar. Who can believe anything a self-admitted liar ever says henceforth? Bruce says you are a “crazy mutherfucker.” That’s enough for me. Like Shutter says, “I’m outta here.”
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Mr Anonymous. AKA ‘Johnnie Greene’, which is about as believable as a square three dollar bill. Opinions from folk who choose to snipe from the darkness of anonymity are taken as seriously as I do my cat’s request for a computer. 🙂
Shutter you close threads on your forum for the very behavior you engage in here, if it’s not acceptable behavior to you on your site then don’t participate in hit here. That would be hypocritical, you have made your point and we know were you stand on blevins just leave him be aybe if everybody just ignore blevins he will go away lol.
Don’t know which two are worse you and blevins or georger and flyjack over at your site….
Shutter you also wrongfully accused me of being dr billy on your forum…I think an apology would be nice.
“Drbilly, Nicky made the same statement on the mountain news and yet you are pinging from Seattle?”
That’s called a question and not an accusation!
good bye Nicky
LOL this is why we restricted registrations at the AB Forum. You live, you learn. Nothing much goes on there anyway. It’s just set up there for later. When I have to go public on it. 🙂
Latest post at Cooper Heaven by Shutter:
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Editor: Text removed as per request. Inflammatory and provocative comments, such as this one was, just annoy me. Banning abusers is an option that I am considering, but would be an unprecedented step for me, and one that I am reluctant to take. But I will if it is necessary to preserve the integrity of the Mountain News.
-BAS
Bruce, please remove Roberts comment above…what he states is incorrect & instigating. Robert is banned from the site and showing once again he has never stopped viewing it..the post is minutes old..Nicky is not on the board but has viewing privileges only. this was posted here over a month ago about that part being lifted..
as I mentioned earlier, it will continue to carry on with posting negative comments surrounding me and my forum..
Shutter
Done.
– BAS
Whatever, Shutter. Here’s an old saying:
“If you stop telling lies about me…I will stop telling the truth about you.” 🙂
If you can prove, I can remove…. 🙂
Shutter: I did drop by your site the other day. BRIEFLY.
I haven’t been banned from your site for a long time. My IP address was changed by Comcast Cable a long time ago. I only found out by accident. Yes, I dropped by yesterday for a moment, but that’s an extremely rare occurrence. As you know, all links, pictures, attachments done by your members say this to the general public:
‘You are not allowed to view links or pictures. Register or login.’
Frankly, it’s not a bad website. Just kinda boring. 🙂
Shutter: To save you a search on RE-banning me, this is my NEW IP address –
73.239.235.15
Make a note. 🙂
*Late Night News:* AB staff has decided to open viewing of the AB Forum to guests, although registration will still be on a restricted basis. One thread will only be visible to moderators or AB staff, or persons we decide can be trusted. This was the deal required by the motion picture companies we’re working with now. *I came to an agreement with them concerning certain issues of confidentiality, coupled with the idea that limited promotion and the availability of information to CERTAIN people might be a good idea.*
And let’s be frank. I needed a central place to do all this without resorting to individual email messages to this person (trusted) or not to THAT person. (NOT trusted) It was getting tiresome keeping certain people updated on the fly. One central spot to do all that seemed sensible. I don’t know if any of you understand this, but it was necessary. So we will do that at the AB Forum. It’s only a single thread anyway. You won’t even miss it. Not even the thread itself is visible to guests.
*Guest site access will start on or about August 10th.*
READ ME FIRST: Right now there are ZERO posts either mentioning, or disparaging Cooper Heaven, or anyone else investigating…or a big fan OF…the DB Cooper case. It will REMAIN that way. In fact, it’s one of the Prime Directives. Violate it, and you are permanently banned with no appeal. You won’t even be able to visit as a guest anymore, unless you use a proxy or VPN.
These policies might seem restrictive, but it’s better than no access at all. Right now, guest access to the site is not allowed.
Some hints:
You can help yourself obtain a trusted position with AB if you register prior to the August 10 date and be sensible about it. I won’t answer any more questions about what I wrote above, so don’t bother asking. If you can’t figure out what’s going on, or where the forum is without me posting up some dumb promotion link, you probably shouldn’t worry about it anyway. 🙂
EDIT: (figures) “Right now there are ZERO posts either mentioning, or disparaging Cooper Heaven, or anyone else investigating…or a big fan OF…the DB Cooper case…”
There are some posts MENTIONING people or sites in Cooperland. That is not prohibited. Posting up negative comments ABOUT people or sites in Cooperland IS prohibited. There has been enough of that by everyone. .
However…you can pick on me all you want. That isn’t against the rules unless you go real personal. (*laughs*)
And that’s all the news that’s fit to post…
That’s odd, RMB. I thought you were more of a guy who posts all the news that fits.
Bruce and fellow sleuths I have a question for thee has anybody heard or read anything about cooper having a mole or birthmark on his face?
Thanks,
Nicky
Nope.
No, I have never heard that in any descriptions. Which is a good thing for me because I have a frickin’ mole on the left side of my face. (*Knock, knock* Damn it. Is that the FBI at the door?) 🙂
NEWS UPDATE: I may re-open the AB Forum for guests and new registrations soon. Although it says you CAN register…I’ve denied every request except ONE since the site was created. I don’t expect we will get many registrations anyway. Site is slightly Cooper-based, but mostly writer-based. And there is a thread about our usual campouts where we invite the public and feed them BBQ at the same time. Past events of that nature have been a big hit for us. Nothing like free BBQ to get people to show up…. 🙂
Don’t expect us to be a clone, or a competitor with Cooper Heaven. One difference however…guests will be able to view all pictures, links, etc, so anything posted will be available to the general public for viewing. Last time we hosted a forum, we had few members but guest visits were strong. And that’s really the main point. Cooper Heaven is mostly a members-only club, which isn’t necessarily bad, but if you post there you should know that any links, pictures, etc are not seen by the public. Our view is that reaching the public is better.
Probably will open to guest visits next week.
Am I welcome to Join Robert ?
Sure, if you want. But since we will undoubtedly be watched by Cooper Heaven, (some of their IP’s used to show up in the Security Log) no negative crap about them will be allowed onsite. That stuff has gone on (despite what you may have heard BOTH sides are guilty of going after one another) far too long, and frankly it has to stop.
Anything that violates the host’s Terms of Service will result in insta-banning and removal of the post. If the site gets shut down a third time, I’m never going to open another one. Or if I do…it will be a completely private affair.
NOTE: One BIG requirement is that anyone who is currently known in Cooperland under a specific username must use that same name to register. This is done to prevent people from impersonating known folks in Cooperland. I don’t even care if Georger and Shutter come aboard. But if they do…they do so under those names.
Members who demonstrate courtesy and cause us no problems could be advanced to mod status and be allowed access to the Staff and Mod thread, which houses things we don’t put out there for the public. You have to earn that right.
Tell you the truth, if the whole thing does a crash and burn like the other two attempts, no one at AB is going to lose any sleep over it. People want this, they want that. They want to see this, know that. Fine. Demonstrate you aren’t a jerk and we will get along fine. I am fully aware that certain jealous people will probably make active attempts to make sure we fail, or to search out something like a pack of jealous jackals in attempts to get us shut down. (again) If this happens, I will release exactly zero information on the upcoming movie and other items and just let you find out via Google or something.
I apologize for sounding harsh. But we’ve been down this road a couple of times now, and frankly I am TIRED OF IT. I will drop a tidbit on you as a hint. Are they going to make the Cooper movie, you wonder? Let’s just say I’ve been looking at travel trailers lately at Poulsbo RV. I will need one for us when we move from Washington to Arizona. That will happen within two years at most.
I’m hoping we can put our past transgressions aside for the good of the case Robert.
I hear you. No one is blameless here. I have been guilty of going after Cooper Heaven. Cooper Heaven has come after me more than a few times. I would quote them over on OUR sites…they would complain. Then there are the nearly two thousand posts to both articles here at Bruce’s site. Back and forth. Cooper Heaven’s insulting, name calling posts that go back years. MY replies both at our former websites, as well as going after Shutter’s friend HERE.
At some point, damn it…someone has to say STOP. ENOUGH. It isn’t good for the Cooper case, and it alienates both the public and the media.
If anyone’s wondering why I am still up at 1230 at night, it’s because ME TV is running my absolute fave Twilight Zone episode, ‘The Midnight Sun’ with Lois Nettleton. Before she died a few years ago, Nettleton finally accepted the idea that most people were going to remember her for that episode…even though she won a Tony on Broadway. She even attended the TZ conventions. I wrote a eulogy for her at Newsvine dot com when she died. Don’t look for it. Newsvine was closed down last year by MSNBC.
“Don’t paint the sun any more, Norma!”
UPDATE: Over at the AB Forum, we only have a few members registered. It’s been decided to NOT open the site to guests until we have at least decent number of actual members. Nothing much is going on there anyway, mostly posts on camping trips, stuff like that. Not really of interest to Cooper folk right now. So for the present we will leave things as they are.
Truth is, I only set it up because once they make the announcement on the movie, I needed a place to discuss all that with the public. Since this is still in the wings, there’s no sense in really opening the place to guests. It can stay as it is. People are still allowed to join, of course. But as long as we have so few members, it can remain private for now.
Back to World of Tanks…. 🙂
I kinda feel bad for flyjack over at the cooper forum he is actually doing some innovative investigating on the case and get’s nothing but grief from the grumpy bunch. Bruce you should tell flyjack about this thread I think his ideology on investigating the case will be better received over here.
F-Jack knows about us, I think. He’s done some very solid work on Hahneman at the DBC Forum, and gets so much crapola from teh Grumpy Bunch, as you point out.
But he pisses me off royally by his coy teases about Tina.
Well, it’s tricky in Cooperland there, Bruce. No one trusts anyone else, for the most part. Here’s an example: There is a two-minute teaser reel out there on the upcoming DB Cooper movie, right? The producers sent me a private link to it. So…I watch it a couple of times and it’s cute, sure. Then I ask them: “Can I make this public?” Answer: NO. Question: WHY NOT? Answer: Because teaser reels often use copyrighted material from other pictures, and are generally not made public. You can show them to the people who need to see them, but it isn’t a trailer, so you can’t put it out on the internet.”
They told me I could put it on the AB Forum, but only give access to AB staff members or anyone assigned as a moderator at the site. So…can I trust anyone in Cooperland not to pass out the link even if I gave them the mod status, so they could see it?
Probably not. Only one non-AB staff member currently has access to the thread where the video is hosted. It’s a jungle out there. 🙂
Look…he can post up at the AB Forum if he wants. I only care that people do NOT go after Cooper Heaven there. And the reason is because it will be all the excuse Shutter needs to try and shut us down again. This is a great place, I mean HERE…but you can’t really do much and there is no editing. It’s not really a good spot (comments to an article) to start posting up full results to an investigation.
Right now, I’m going to keep the AB Forum members only for viewing, but at some point…if we happen along a few more members…then I will open it to the public for viewing. But not until we reach that point.
News on my book if anybody is interested the working title is D.B. Cooper Hiding In Plane Sight. Primary focus of the book will be my suspects Jim Klansnic & John Shorkey, the dan cooper comics and the history of the aerospace industry. Everything we seem to know points to the fact Cooper was in a technical job in aerospace engineering. After looking into pure titanium and discovering it’s only two uses at the time were in 2 industries dental or aerospace hydraulics systems which utilized pure titanium tubing. I read an article about the first titanium bikes in the early 70’s that were made from these very tubes they got from these very systems. Klansnics best friend shorkey worked for vickers who manufactured hydraulic systems for aerospace. Derek discovered klansnic and his olive skin complexion wearing an identical clip on tie minus the clasp standing under a 727 in 64 in a hydraulics and pneumatics article authored by him about the 727. I got the only viable suspects you can put a clip on tie on with the very particles period. The tie don’t lie!
“Everything we seem to know points to the fact Cooper was in a technical job in aerospace engineering.”
Just because the particles were on that clip-on tie, is no proof that the UNSUB had a “technical job” in aerospace engineering. You also failed to mention that there were many highly specialized particles on that particular tie. You also apparently chose to ignore that in an otherwise well planned out and executed crime, he left this particular item behind. I assert that it’s a huge message. Face it, the great number of taunting documents that followed the Cooper caper clearly show that the author of those same documents had inside crime scene knowledge. These same messages clarify and solidify many things. One of which is that he knew the ransom demand was a joke. The Playboy cutouts is practically a journal, and one such cutout letter shows a clip-on tie ad link. Nicky, are you Blevins’ hand puppet ? It sure seems that way. Blevins wants to dumb down many things about the Cooper caper, that’s a key part of why so many people shun him.
Terry: I wouldn’t call it THAT well-planned. I would call it ‘lucky’. The only people ‘shunning’ me are a few people at an internet forum on the Cooper case. 🙂
I assert, because Cooper was careful to retrieve all other evidence, that he simply ditched the tie for another reason. Possibly because he knew it couldn’t be traced to him. There is also no way (so far) to tell if Cooper wrote the notes. Call your local big-city cops sometime and ask how many phony confessions and letters they get after a famous crime is committed. Most are bogus, except in the case of Scorpio, who knew he had to PROVE he was writing those messages. So he did. Cooper offered no such proof.
bLIEven’s cut in on Nicky with: Terry: I wouldn’t call it THAT well-planned. I would call it ‘lucky’. The only people ‘shunning’ me are a few people at an internet forum on the Cooper case. 🙂
I assert, because Cooper was careful to retrieve all other evidence, that he simply ditched the tie for another reason. Possibly because he knew it couldn’t be traced to him. There is also no way (so far) to tell if Cooper wrote the notes. Call your local big-city cops sometime and ask how many phony confessions and letters they get after a famous crime is committed. Most are bogus, except in the case of Scorpio, who knew he had to PROVE he was writing those messages. So he did. Cooper offered no such proof.
I assert: Of course YOU/bLIEvens wouldn’t call it well planned, because it doesn’t fit your narrow minded and limited narrative. A lot of people are shunning you, the evidence is right here in this forum. “Ditched the tie for some other reason”? But what other reason? What part of “inside crime scene knowledge” don’t you understand? No wait…. don’t answer that, I prefer to hear nothing that you have to say. The comment was directed to Nicky, but you responded to it, telling me that YOU are Nicky, or you control Nicky. Scorpio or Scorpion, which is it Mr bLIEvens? Whomever Cooper was, he left a lot of information on those letters and envelopes that followed afterwords, and EVIDENCE of INSIDE CRIME SCENE KNOWLEDGE, you dumb ass!
“…Derek discovered klansnic and his olive skin complexion wearing an identical clip on tie minus the clasp.”
I’m ‘sort of’ buying this one…but only to a degree. If you had the clip attached to the tie it would be more convincing. The particular Towncraft tie used by Cooper was mass-produced and extremely common. Busboys in restaurants wore them, for example.
Some of the other things you mentioned about your suspect sound interesting, though.
The pure titanium is the clincher Robert a bus boy wouldn’t of picked up pure titanium and neither would 99.9% of people wearing them. It was specific to ownly 2 applications at the time from my extensive research and that’s in dental labs or the tubing for the hydraulic sysystems in aerospace. Pre norjack dan cooper was about futuristic space exploration and plane test flights. Klansnic was a test pilot for Boeing and worked and the projects depicted in the dan cooper comics in real life. He worked on the Boeing X-20 Dyna-Saur alongside his best fiend John Shorkey as well as the Boeing sst project. The lives of Klansnic and major dan cooper are eerily similar both shot down military pilots who are test pilots for futuristic aerospace projects. Too much too ignore here.
I *generally* don’t discourage any new book entries on Cooper, because these books (they are many and legend) help keep this very old case in the public eye.
My humble suggestion is to begin with releasing an Amazon Kindle version (its free to do) and see where it goes from there. If sales warrant, then maybe you invest in going paperback.
And get yourself an editor. Even editors who write books on the side use an editor. 🙂
Yes I plan on hiring one Robert….Bruce who edited your book?
Just an FYI: I am fully booked on ms line edits, and have to turn down requests, but I can help you format properly for the Kindle. Not doing this right will get you bad reviews and poor sales at Amazon.
That type of advice is free. I do it for anyone who asks.
Wow, gee thanks Robert! I’m certainly going to take you up on the offer it’s much appreciated and I would even be willing to cut you in for a percentage of book sales… especially if you can get me in with the bbc guys for the upcoming docu!
I’ve had many editors, as RMB has alluded to in his post.
First is a read-through guy who can spot obvious errors and give a general over-view of how the material reads. Meyer was my first read-through guy. He’s decent, and is inexpensive – I just gave him a copy of my book and took him to dinner, if I recall.
Then you need a line editor – someone who can read closely and get the tiny grammatical errors, double words or missing words, spelling mistakes, etc. My line editor is named Claire and she lives in NY. She is superb.
Secondly, I gave individual chapters to selected writers who are friends and wouldn’t be too burdened by my request that they read my stuff. Cate Montana read the Opening Chapter, and her critique was so massive that she re-wrote my chapter in its entirety.
My next editor was a concept and compositional editor named Barbara Vargo, a professional and award-winning editor from Brooklyn. She is excellent, but only had time to edit about one-third of the book. But that was enough for her to completely re-orient much of my writing and take it up a notch or two towards a higher degree of professionalism.
Lastly, I gave an agent/editor named Liz Kracht 100 bucks on three occasions to read a couple chapters. She did the final polishing. Excellent investment. Liz has a stable of freelance editors who can do most of the above for a flat rate, usually starting at around 1,500-2,000 bucks.
Then I was ready for my Kindle/Hard copy editor who transcribed everything into the formats necessary for eBooks and paperback editions. She set margins, letter-spacing, and got rid of all the orphans and widows. I gave her at least 500 bucks. Then she did all of my graphics. Great job, and I highly recommend her. Her name is Sue Leonard, and is found at Rose Island Press.
There are editing/publishing companies who will do all of the above. That may be the best way for you to start. Lulu is the big one, but there are local outfits in Seattle that I would consider.
Also, I recommend that you get a book on self-publishing and editing. One is superb: Authors, Publishers, and Entrepreneurs. It’s often called “APE” by writers.
You can do a lot of valuable editing on your own, and the best way to start is joining a writers’ group. Every week you’ll present a few pages of your work and you’ll get instant feedback and editing from the group. Call a local book store and get referrals to the groups. They often meet in bookstores or libraries. My local writers group (Yelm) has members who can do all of the above, and will be the least expensive.
“There are editing/publishing companies who will do all of the above. That may be the best way for you to start. Lulu is the big one…”
Lulu is crap, Bruce. It’s Amateur Night all the way over there. They overcharge for everything, including publishing your book, so much so that it won’t even be picked up by Ingram for wholesale distribution, (where the REAL sales reside) the biggest distributor of books on Planet Earth. Less than 5% of our booksales come from Amazon, because unless you are a famous writer…that’s NOT where the niche sales are.
Just because you self-published a book doesn’t mean you give good advice on self-publishing. I have edited more than sixty books to date privately, and some of them had pretty good success. I have also seen a review or two of your book where readers sort of complained about the editing, citing errors here and there.
It’s still a pretty good book, and I support any addition to the Cooper Barn of Books. The minor errors (even after you went through all these people, all these channels) means nothing. Your advice is noted, but may not be the BEST advice. 🙂
Thanks, but I don’t assist writers for money, except when I’m doing a full edit for them. Any real info on anything we’re involved in will either be at the main site, or the AB Forum. Right now, I don’t post much to the forum because we only have a few members and it isn’t currently open to non-registered folk. I mainly established it for later. NWRob from Cooper Heaven is a member, but that’s about it except for access to the site by AB staff. They have the entry Admin password, etc. That’s how much I trust them. (Gayla, Greg, Phoebe, right now.) Geoff Nelder gets updates and has enough to worry about with his own sites. 🙂
Try to understand here. Cooper Heaven has come after us several times now. Once was justified, when we published Georger’s phone number. I deserved that. The other times are questionable. So these days, although I like to post here (mostly for fun and entertainment) anything serious regarding AB or what I’m involved with personally in the Cooper case…I sort of keep undercover these days.
Anything I’m GOING to say, or going to release, ends up at the AB Forum, in other words. Until the movie is announced and an official trailer released, I’m not looking for public traffic. After that time…THEN I will open views to the public. Until then, it’s members only.
Point of Order: Real nice comment back there, Mr Terry B. I could ask Bruce to remove it but I won’t, because I think it reveals much about you.
No, I don’t consider the Cooper Caper a champion of good crime planning. Cheap suit? Dress shoes? A little paper bag with a few items it it? The hijacker was extremely lucky, and the planning process was probably no more than a few weeks in length. Small budget, too. Mr Ordinary, Mr Somebody You Would Hardly Notice, etc. seems to be Cooper to me.
Not some former CIA or Black Ops guy. He would have at least sprung for a pair of boots.
Not some highly-experienced skydiver, but perhaps a jumper who hadn’t jumped in a long time.
Someone who had a basic working knowledge of aircraft, and certainly knew a few things about not only the Great Northwest…but Northwest Orient Airlines, as well.
Anybody come to mind who might fit that description? 🙂
And again and over and over bLIEvens you willfully ignore the fact that the taunting documents show “INSIDE CRIME SCENE KNOWLEDGE.” You willfully ignore the FACT that the stewardesses say it wasn’t Kenny. The UNSUB clearly had his ducks in a row, he anticipated all eventualities. He fgot away. No corpse found, no parachute found, no money ever spent…all basic crime scene facts. He ordered the vehicles approaching the jet to do so from very certain angles. He ordered the cabins light out.
“no money ever spent…”
Assumption of fact NOT in evidence. Agent Larry Carr admitted in his radio interview (available at the bottom of the Wikipedia DB Cooper page) that most banks gave up examining their 20’s from the provided list within 3 months, and virtually ALL of them gave up the search after 6 months. Listen for yourself.
In addition, Ralph Himmelsbach claimed that Treasury was looking for the bills for years. I contacted a senior Treasury agent working at Printing and Engraving in WA DC and questioned him about the Cooper bills. He said that statement by Himmelsbach was simply not true. All used, damaged, or to-be-recycled currency ends up there. He said that any such request by the FBI would have been been given up within a week or two at most, no matter what Himmelsbach claimed.
This agent had worked with P and E for almost thirty years at the time I interviewed him, and he was well aware of the original request. He said they received truckloads of currency a week, and any such search would have been virtually impossible. Back in those days, there was no way to computer-scan large numbers of bills and automatically match any bill to a list of particular numbers. You could record the bills, sure, he said. What you couldn’t do back then was to have a computer spot a certain number and match it from a list. That would have to be done manually. And….as I said…he said P and E had to deal with truckloads full of US currency every week. It was an impossible task.
Today, of course…you could do that easily. The technology is there. But not in 1971-72. What all of this means is that within six months or less the hijacker could have passed off those bills almost anywhere he wished and they never would have been detected. The only risk would be suspicious spending with twenties…such as if you walked onto a car lot and tried to buy a new Chevy with a sack of twenty dollar bills.
Obviously, the hijacker was intelligent enough not to try that one. My guess is he waited for a certain amount of time and then laundered the money piece by piece.
bLIEvens in trying to peddle his nonsense wrote: “no money ever spent…”
Assumption of fact NOT in evidence. Agent Larry Carr admitted in his radio interview (available at the bottom of the Wikipedia DB Cooper page) that most banks gave up examining their 20’s from the provided list within 3 months, and virtually ALL of them gave up the search after 6 months. Listen for yourself.
In addition, Ralph Himmelsbach claimed that Treasury was looking for the bills for years. I contacted a senior Treasury agent working at Printing and Engraving in WA DC and questioned him about the Cooper bills. He said that statement by Himmelsbach was simply not true. All used, damaged, or to-be-recycled currency ends up there. He said that any such request by the FBI would have been been given up within a week or two at most, no matter what Himmelsbach claimed.
This agent had worked with P and E for almost thirty years at the time I interviewed him, and he was well aware of the original request. He said they received truckloads of currency a week, and any such search would have been virtually impossible. Back in those days, there was no way to computer-scan large numbers of bills and automatically match any bill to a list of particular numbers. You could record the bills, sure, he said. What you couldn’t do back then was to have a computer spot a certain number and match it from a list. That would have to be done manually. And….as I said…he said P and E had to deal with truckloads full of US currency every week. It was an impossible task.
Today, of course…you could do that easily. The technology is there. But not in 1971-72. What all of this means is that within six months or less the hijacker could have passed off those bills almost anywhere he wished and they never would have been detected. The only risk would be suspicious spending with twenties…such as if you walked onto a car lot and tried to buy a new Chevy with a sack of twenty dollar bills.
Obviously, the hijacker was intelligent enough not to try that one. My guess is he waited for a certain amount of time and then laundered the money piece by piece.
BULLSHIT bLIEvens…BULLSHIT!!!! Currency tracking put IBM’s computers into business long before 1971, you pecker head! You are so very very full of shit! The currency is tracked and was tracked…which is how they know it was never spent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are soooooo dumb, that you still think that you can lie your way out of any situation. Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHICH stew said it wasn’t Kenny…. 🙂 Let’s hear a quote, a news article, anything.
They might be ‘taunting’ documents, (i.e. “stuck in a rut”) but don’t reveal anything about the hijacking itself. And the writer(s) did not identify themselves as Dan Cooper, the name the hijacker gave at the ticket counter, but the media’s name for him. These types of letters to police and media after a famous crime are quite common, and in the vast majority of cases, not written by the actual perpetrator.
I do agree they never found a body, and that Cooper probably got away with it. ‘Anticipated all eventualities?’ That’s a laugh. He was lucky that NWA basically forced the FBI to go along with the hijacker. NWA CEO Donald Nyrop was a cheap bastard. He knew the ransom was covered by insurance, but the insurance company would have put depreciation on the aircraft, had it actually been destroyed. He would have lost money on it. Just paying the ransom was a no-brainer for him.
It wasn’t exactly Amateur Night with Cooper, but he came to the party a bit unprepared. It was a no-tie affair. 🙂
News: I have uploaded the famous video on Kenny Christiansen, the one with 65K views at YouTube, and associated it with the Amazon page on the Blast book. It should be available to Amazon customers within 48 hours.
Being ‘shunned’ (*laughs*) by a few folks who follow the Cooper case means absolutely zip to me. These are my current numbers at Quora dot com, a Q and A site:
Credentials & Highlights
Managing Editor/Co-Founder at Adventure Books of Seattle
2003-present
Studied at Green River Community College
Lives in Auburn, WA
648,200 answer views
50,100 this month
You have to hang where the action is, folks. One problem with Quora though. You have to establish your REAL identity to answer questions, or pose questions there. That sort of lets out the snipe-from-behind-the-rock folks.
And they check your credentials, and the information you provide when you register. This is because a fair number of famous folks also post there, and they have to insure people aren’t impersonating others. 🙂 What people? Ashton Kutcher, Orson Scott Card, many others.
Some of you so-called ‘Cooper Experts’ are far behind on what constitutes real traffic in the 21st century. Do you see the category ‘answer views’ up there? That covers a period just over a year. And no…you can’t pad your stats there by refreshing the page, in case you were wondering. I think I’ve answered about 20 questions on the Cooper case at Quora.
Terry says: (in part) “Currency tracking put IBM’s computers into business long before 1971, you (redacted). You are so very very full of (redacted). The currency is tracked and was tracked…which is how they know it was never spent…”
I wouldn’t know about that. I’m going on the interview with Larry Carr that you can access at Wikipedia/DB Cooper, and the interview I did for Blast with the Treasury agent. The Treasury agent seemed to know what he was talking about. His basic point was that Federal banks and the Bureau of Printing and Engraving deal with truckloads of paper currency each week, and he said additionally that any request by the FBI (back then) to somehow locate a particular twenty dollar bill, even 10,000 of them with non-sequential numbers would have been basically ignored, no matter what Himmelsbach claimed. The Treasury agent also added that even if they had tried to search every bill that came in, such an effort would have gone on for no more than a very short time. They didn’t have the resources, the time, or the manpower to do it.
The bottom line is that after three to six months, when the NW banks and the Fed banks gave up the search via their tellers, using the paper list…no one was actually LOOKING for the money anymore. And if P and E was unable to comply from the start with the FBI’s request, (since they deal with more paper currency than anyone else in the Fed) that the hijacker would have been safe to spend the money at his leisure…within a time frame of no more than six months, probably less.
These are not lies, but cold, hard facts. I will take FBI agent Larry Carr’s, and the word of a veteran Treasury agent over yours, if you don’t mind. 🙂
Quote from Into The Blast:
‘According to a Treasury representative contacted by the authors in 2010, they do not check incoming bills against possible stolen lists, due to the number of bills they receive each week for replacement. Treasury may have checked incoming twenties via a request from the F.B.I. after the hijacking, but it’s unlikely it went on for years. The list was thirty-four pages long, with multiple rows per page, and had ten thousand different non-sequential numbers. Most Northwest banks gave up looking in less than six months…’
BIG NEWS: (How big? VERY big.) The person who allegedly found a bag of twenty dollar bills after Kenny Christiansen’s death has (*finally*) seen the Decoded show in a rerun. He saw that the show mentioned the found bills, but that we couldn’t verify the story. He realized when this money behind the house on the hill was mentioned on the show…that we were talking about HIS money. The money HE found.
So…he contacted me via Facebook. He says he was the boy we’ve all been looking for. He is local to Sumner, WA, works for a known NW company, and provided a good picture of the actual bills that was taken more than twenty years ago. His Facebook profile is detailed and solid.
He does say that most of the bills were dated 1984-85, not 1969. But it makes sense that if this money was laundered after the hijacking, that it would be a later date. I am now in contact with this person, in order to obtain more details about the circumstances under which this money was discovered.
I will do a complete release on this story later today at the AB Forum. It will include a picture of the money, the man’s name, and his Facebook page link. Sorry, but I can’t really release anything else publicly here. If you want this information…you will have to join the AB Forum to see it. I will approve all requests for joining…but if you are known in Cooperland, you must use the same username that you usually use in Cooperland.
In other words…
If you aren’t Georger, or Shutter, or Bruce…you’d better not try to register under their usernames or I will immediately ban you by IP address and refuse your registration.
Full information on this discovery has already been sent to the film production companies in Los Angeles.
Editor:
I’ve been asked to comment on Terry’s assertion posted above that the Treasury Department had the technology for a bill-tracking program in place well before 1971. As below
“BULLSHIT bLIEvens…BULLSHIT!!!! Currency tracking put IBM’s computers into business long before 1971, you pecker head! You are so very very full of shit! The currency is tracked and was tracked…which is how they know it was never spent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are soooooo dumb, that you still think that you can lie your way out of any situation. Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!”
First, just because Terry says this technology was available and in use does not make it so. Nor does he provide any proof to back up what he says.
Also, the use of computers was very primitive in 1971, at least by my observation, and in 1967-1969 I attended Lehigh University – an engineering school – and their computers and the course work were in their infancy.
Personally, I doubt very much if any bill-tracking – either by computers or manually by bank tellers – was actually conducted. Any data cited to Ralph Himmelsbach, such as the length and type of currency surveillance, is also very suspect. His knowledge of the case is very uneven. I generally do not trust – or write – on any “facts” presented by RH unless they are confirmed by other sources, unless he is talking about his own personal actions, or is discussing the case in general terms, such as how many people have confessed to being DB Cooper.
Further, Terry B’s personal attacks on RMB are becoming annoying, and dangerously close to being erased. So Terry, cool it.
Bruce, you yourself set the tone for the treatment of RMB, a treatment that he himself has earned over and over. You’ve called him much harsher things than I have. I’m not gonna waste a bunch of my time proving that he lies repeatedly, that proof is already provided by he himself and many times over. shutter rightfully kicked him off of his forum because RMB impinges on shutters credibility and RMB also acts as a detractor to those that wanna discuss the Cooper case in a reasonable manner. RMB is dominating this forum with pure bullshit, this reflects on you Bruce, think about it!
I was ‘PRE-Banned’ from Shutter’s forum when it first started. In other words, he decided I couldn’t come on board from the start of it. (As it turned out, this was better for me.) I joined under a username, made a couple of harmless posts, and then revealed who I was. Then I was banned.
I’m okay with that.
I have pondered it greatly, Terry B.
RMB’s difficulty with the truth, his chronic failure to provide proof and answer questions directly, and his often faulty assessments of the facts is well documented. Worse, trying to get RMB to acknowledge his shortcomings is futile. Therefore, it is upon the rest of us to ignore what needs to be ignored and contemplate those posts that might contain a kernel of interest – and possibly some truth.
BTW: I’ve grown weary of your nastiness, Terry. Hence the scrubbing has begun.
He does say that most of the bills were dated 1984-85, not 1969. But it makes sense that if this money was laundered after the hijacking, that it would be a later date. I am now in contact with this person, in order to obtain more details about the circumstances under which this money was discovered.
Yes, that makes sense? guy lives alone with nobody bothering him. launders the money and buries money over a decade later that is not only in 20’s, but can’t be traced to the hijacking? this must be nothing compared to what you are hold back 🙂
you don’t have to worry about me or Georger trying to “join” your closed forum..I don’t need any further information regarding Kenny..if the movie is made I will watch it..until then I can wait however long it takes to get made it makes no difference to me even though you keep implying we care?
you admitted you come here for “fun & entertainment” and basically try to pull viewers from this thread with constant spamming..if you don’t wish to release anything, then don’t say anything about it..it’s old, very old this tactic..should Bruce change the name of the thread to the “Non information Kenny Christiansen” thread ???? or the “Shutter doesn’t provide pics and links to guest” thread?
this should be enough to allow you to continue with multiple posts that you always accuse me of, maybe a record coming, no? 🙂
I agree with shutter, RMB is spamming this forum…and I add apparently with BAS’s blessing.
I don’t see any spam…and I’m not even from Nigeria. Lately, I’ve posted some fairly interesting stuff. I also met the witness today, Kyle. We’re getting together to do the video at Kenny Christiansen’s old house. People should withhold judgment on whether Kyle’s story is legitimate until they see it, which will be in the next few days.
UPDATE: Amazon tells me I have to upload a SHORTER video to associate with the Into the Blast book. They said an hour and eighteen minutes was toooo long LOL. Oh, well. 🙂
It’s not a CLOSED forum. You simply have to register to participate, Shutter. I’ve had multiple people call me a liar about the money buried on Kenny’s property. Now I am going to interview the boy (he’s 35 now) who found that money, and I’m going to video it…tonight at 10:15 after he gets off work. Results will probably be posted late, or if we do a shoot at the Bonney Lake house tomorrow, I will put it all together tomorrow afternoon.
We already know KC built a hiding spot in his attic. If I were to guess, if Kenny buried a couple of thousand dollars later on his own property, it was probably some sort of ‘just in case’ thing he did later. Obviously after 1983.
You guys amaze me sometimes. The biggest site on the Cooper case, (YOURS) and yet you reject anything new that happens to come from yours truly. You believe everything I say is a lie. You think I just sit around and make things up. I hate to burst your bubble, but that’s not how I work.
I don’t care if you join the forum or not. But that’s the only way you will be able to see anything new from us. However, you could probably put someone up to joining, so you can stay informed. I have no problem with that…as long as they use the same username they generally use in Cooperland. I don’t want anyone joining up using YOUR name, or Bruce’s…when they aren’t actually that person. This is the third or fourth time I’ve done a Cooper/AB forum, and it is certainly the last. No more baloney, no more attacks on people. Someone has to set the example. Everyone, and that includes you and yours…have been guilty of this behavior. Me, too. On our side, it STOPS RIGHT NOW.
You can do what you wish. Right now I have to start gathering the video and sound gear and charge up the cameras for tonight’s interview.
Shutter says in part:
‘You admitted you come here for “fun & entertainment” and basically try to pull viewers from this thread with constant spamming..if you don’t wish to release anything, then don’t say anything about it..it’s old, very old this tactic..should Bruce change the name of the thread to the “Non information Kenny Christiansen” thread ???? or the “Shutter doesn’t provide pics and links to guest” thread?’
Robert says: Yes, it’s fun to post here sometimes. Pull viewers from WHAT thread? That part I don’t understand. If I want to ‘pull viewers’ I just answer another Cooper question at Quora dot com. If I have something important to release, I do it at the AB Forum. Just because you choose to ignore an information source in the case (based on emotional issues) is not my problem. If I were really trying to siphon off traffic from Cooper Heaven, I would open the AB Forum to the public. But after the last few tries doing that forum, I decided the current restriction was the way to go. I haven’t had any problems since, and no one…and I mean NO ONE…is allowed to attack anyone involved in the Cooper case, or anyone who hangs out at your website. It is strictly an extension of AB of Seattle, where only PART of the site is dedicated to Cooper.
Anyone engaging in personal attacks at the AB Forum gets banned for life so damn quick they can’t even be sure they were once a member. That’s how strict it is there now.
I have to admit I was happy to hear you would watch the Cooper picture when it comes out. The teaser reel was pretty entertaining. Who knows if they will ever get around to actually shooting the movie. Your guess is as good as mine, although the producers assure me they will, and if first day or production shooting doesn’t begin by Jan 23rd, they’ve agreed to extend the option for another year. Either situation works for me.
UPDATE: Picture provided by witness shows approximately $880 in twenties, (old ones, intact, with dirt embedded into many of them) a bag of shards mostly the size of postage stamps, some crumbled twenties in a separate bag marked ‘$40’, and a small wad of twenties, partially intact. Looks to be about $1,000 total.
Been away for awhile, but I see things are still heated at MN with Mr. Blevins still the focus. But over at the Forum it’s actually worse. Too many so-called experts weighing in with old, recycled material. Lots of fighting to see who is the biggest expert. Lol. Some person named Louie Meyers seems to hold envy and blind jealousy as his calling card. He doesn’t like any opinions and clearly holds some kind of hostility to those who have actually performed investigative work on the case. Sad to see senior citizens act like junior high kids. Low performer and too much slack time in his old age. I’ll stick with Bruce’s site.
Reviewing comments:
1) Terry’s comments don’t bother me. I’ve been the recipient of much worse sometimes. 🙂
2) I can hardly wait to meet with the witness this evening, although that will only be a preliminary interview. I’ve been to the restaurant he wants to meet at. Fridays it is pretty noisy. My main thing will be to ask questions about the finding of the money, (when, how, who else was there, what happened to it, etc) and then convince him to do a video interview at the Bonney Lake house during daylight hours.
Thread created at the AB Forum regarding the witness and the money. I will post up some additional details and pictures later this evening. Unfortunately, PRETTY DAMN LATE, because we don’t meet until 10PM. He works at Nordstrom’s and on the swingshift. 🙂
What the heck. I guess I’ve taken enough of a break from being active in this Cooper investigation. After the movie deal, I got a bit lazy.
Interesting point, Gypsy23. Mr. Louie may be severely jealous of FLYJACK’S work. That’s my guess too. But mostly it’s a sign that Mr. Louie himself is underaccomplished and resorts to mockery and name calling. Certainly is junior high level. Mr. Lou even subtlety attacks Bruce, who happens to be a superb journalist.
Thank you, MN-astt. What’s your moniker stand for?
It’s a ckret, Bruce.
MNastt? Another anonymous user here to pick on someone involved in Cooper discussions? Let me set you straight Mr Anonymous. Meyer Louie is a nice guy. I just had coffee with him a couple of weeks ago. He cares about Bruce. If Meyer didn’t, he would not have climbed into his car and driven mucho miles at night to make sure Bruce was all right. His method that evening was a little clumsy, but he meant well and tried hard. That actually counts for something.
You have to get to know someone personally, at least a little bit, before you start passing judgment on them. Anyone can snipe at someone while hiding behind a rock. It takes a real person to give it to straight. The difference between you and me is that when you click on my name up there…it actually GOES to something real. That means I accept responsibility, whether I’m right or wrong. You are not burdened with any such responsibility.
A couple of Northwest folk have had minor problems with Bruce, none of them serious. Meyer likes him in his own way, but may disagree with certain methods. Big friggin’ deal. People here still like Bruce, even me. So does Meyer. In his own way, which is fine by me.
UPDATE: Kyle was able to meet me earlier than expected. Report at the AB Forum.
Well, MN-astt, I like ckrets.
Some comments about Meyer are necessary, regarding RMB’s latest post.
Meyer is not a “nice guy,” as RMB has characterized him. Nor does he “truly care” about me, as RMB asserts. Meyer’s recent escapade when I was “missing” were dangerous, stupid, and borderline illegal. The word “clumsy” that RMB has used to describe Meyer’s actions is classic Blevins – totally misleading and false. Meyer trespassed on my land – walking past a locked gate – in the dark at 10:30 pm, with a weapon in hand. Plus, in the past he has threatened to kill me, which I have written about at the DBC Forum. Add it all together, and RMB’s post is total crapola and offensive. To minimize Meyer’s actions and RMB’s complicity is unacceptable.
And that’s all I’m going to say about it. Any further posts on that subject will be scrubbed immediately.
I’m done explaining my anger at Meyer and RMB for what amounts to stalking. If they truly cared about my well-being they would have called the cops – as did Eric Ulis – and ask for a welfare check, which the Pierce County Sheriiff’s Department had already conducted BEFORE Meyer and Blevs decided to be heroes.
Meyer is clearly suffering from a Bipolar disorder..
I refrain from making diagnosis in a public venue, but I agree that something serious is occurring with this individual.
Got that right, FLYJACK. MR Lou pops out of the weeds on rare occasions and likes to pile on certain people that make him jealous. He’s a wannabe, and has no real skills. Only on paper. That happens to people who have messy emotional backgrounds. And as far as Blevins defending him, I wouldn’t trust that either. Blevins is ALSO a very jealous type of guy, especially of Bruce (who is a much better writer). Bruce is too humble to really point out what Mr. LOU did to him. But i might tell when the need be. In the meantime, welcome to this forum, FLYJACK. Good to see you here.
FLY, what do you get when you put two bi-polar disordered persons together? answer: enough work for a pairadocs. Me thinks that Bruce’s “heros” should have had their asses bitten off by the neighbor’s pitbull for trespass, prowling, intent to steal, and intent to assault. And to brag about their heroism? Pathetic twosome. I vote for giving them the boot award.
Bruce, you have really outed LOUIE MEYERS and ROBERT BLIEVINS, two of the biggest crumbs in the Cooper case. Ha. BLIEVINS is totally banned at Shutters site. There’s a reason for that. And MEYERS came out of the shadows for a whiskey run. Dumb and Dumber. Well, maybe. Only Gayla and the bartender know for sure. Lol.lol.lol.
“I’m done explaining my anger at Meyer and RMB for what amounts to stalking…”
Oh, come on Bruce. Don’t be so dramatic. I got a phone call at 8PM on a weekday from Meyer. A WORKDAY. I wasn’t told a thing except no one had heard from you in weeks, and you were no longer posting to Cooper Heaven. I had to be in Maple Valley the next morning at 7AM to clean a 3,800 square foot home. Meyer asked me to drive up and meet him out in the boondocks where you live and make sure you were okay. So I did that, and didn’t get home until after midnight, burning off twenty bucks in gas along the way.
No worries. I get the hint. If anyone ever calls me up again and says you’ve gone missing, I will leave it to someone else to check out. And how the heck was I supposed to know the cops had already checked on you?
If you’re going to present yourself as a public figure, you have to expect people might check to see if you’re okay if you go missing. And how come during all this time you didn’t get to an internet connection somewhere, somehow…and at least let people know you were okay? Not like the cops are going to do it for you, right?
Stalking you is about the furthest thing from my agenda, Bruce. 🙂
Hey BLIEVENS, i’m missing. Can you come and find me? You may not like what you find, you big HERO.
Well, I DID used to be with Search and Rescue… 🙂
Which reminds me of a very sad story. I got called up for a search for three guys who were taking the Mt Index trail. About sixty or seventy people, including myself, were involved in the search. We looked for days, and I went up and down that trail several times. You would come to this point about two miles from the parking lot where the trail turned to the right and went up a very steep ridge. A long, difficult climb. I also noticed that a small avalanche had poured down this ridge not long ago. Small trees broken off, stuff like that.
I looked up at the ridge and asked the leaders what time the men had left the parking lot. Two thirty in the afternoon, I was told. They got a late start. I looked up the ridge and realized they might not have reached the top before dark. So where would they go? Wintertime…gets dark early. I looked DOWN the ridge, saw the avalanche.
I started suggesting that the guys with the probes stop going UP the ridge, and instead check down below where the avalanche stopped. My logic was that once they reached this point two miles from parking, they may have gone down a bit and decided to set up camp. No one listened to me. Everyone was certain they had made it to the top of the ridge and then camped somewhere on the other site where the terrain was flat for a while.
Search was finally called off. Guess where they found them.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/jan/13/hikers-may-have-been-asleep-in-tents-fatal/
If you were really lost, and in REAL trouble, you could do worse than me looking for you. 🙂
I wanted to add a couple of comments about volunteering for S and R. Your experiences vary, depending on the circumstances, (winter or summer, or location of search) but in the winter it often goes like this:
You get called up on a search. You are just a volunteer, nobody official. It’s winter, so everyone mostly gathers in the closest parking area that can be reached nearest the area to be searched. Someone usually has a propane heater going, or a fire, and the older volunteers make coffee, chocolate, etc. You go out in teams. You go up. You yell, shout, look around, try to find any sign, etc.
When you are pretty worn out, your team goes down, usually passing another on the way up. (In winter you don’t go off the trails much or YOU’LL get lost. In summer you can go off trail but you go prepared.) When you stumble back into base camp, you try to warm up, get some hot food, some rest, and then go back out again. Rinse and repeat.
Those guys on Mt Index never had a chance, of course. They were already dead when the search started. Two lessons here. Don’t camp in narrow canyons in winter. And for everyone else, carry good emergency gear. I carry the hand crank/battery powered Red Cross radio and a survival kit with compass. The Red Cross radio by Eton has a bright flashlight, a siren, flashing red and strobe light, picks up AM/FM, weather band, and can even charge your cell phone. Comes with all the connectors to do so. It’s 6.5″ x 6.25″ and weighs a mere 20 ounces.
My favorite RMB story is when he was trapped by a blizzard in a tent for 28 days and subsisted solely on packets of cocoa mix.
That’s why all Blevins books go to the sci fi shelf. Nothing believable with this fella. Except that he can’t find anyone to join the AB site. THAT part is believable. BLIEVINS and MR. LOUIE belong together. Sort of like Ken Christianson and Geestman. Gayla should tell them both to, “go get a Winnebago.” Lol..lol
Hilarious post, Johnnie. Make sure the Winnebago is stocked with plenty of cocoa, whiskey and AB books. LOUIE and BLIEVENS might be taking a long trip together. Old LOUIE is all in.
You are funny. And it wasn’t a story, it was real life. The snowfall only lasted a couple of days. The problem was the depth of the snow made it impossible to hike back out. I survived because I DID carry a kit, and I was smart enough to stay PUT until the rains returned and started melting the snow. By the time I finally crashed out onto Interstate 90 near Snoqualmie Pass, I had lost nearly 40 pounds.
I’m not surprised you don’t believe that happened. You didn’t believe me on the deal you were offered for the movie, either. 🙂 Fifteen grand, just to be a ‘consultant’ on the script and agree to have your name listed as an associate producer, and allow them to put that into the credits, along with the title of your book. I was really surprised you turned that down, but I guess it shows you have morals. Your belief that KC was not the hijacker is certainly proven.
(The previous comment was directed to Bruce, by the way.)
I think you guys are mainly upset over three things. First, that Cooper Heaven is becoming boring. Second, you hate it we got the movie. Even if they don’t end up making it, hell…I bought a nice truck with the last option payment from Janaury. Third, you hate it we keep breaking new things on the case (found money at Bonney Lake on KC’s property) and you can’t see the full story or the pictures. That is not my fault, by the way, but yours.
No big deal, but Meyer Louie is not a member of the AB Forum.
One of the reasons that the Cooper case has stalled over at Cooper Heaven and elsewhere, is because people like ‘Johnnie Greene’ and others spend most of their time not with the case itself, but just going after others like old biddies. It’s no longer about the case itself, but jealousy and bad-mouthing others. I’m glad I don’t have to work with any of you. Mostly you sound like a bunch of junior high kids texting on smartphones. 🙂
Nothing like seeing plagerism up close. Another original idea from none other than the great author, publisher, editor himself…..Robert Blevins. He’s exhibit A for the legal construct of copyright protection.
Plagiarism? I don’t recall engaging in any of that, Gypsy23. That’s stealing another writer’s work and calling it your own. I’m pretty sure I am innocent on that one. You guys have already blamed me for everything except climate change…but you’ll probably get around to that someday. 🙂
Cooper News: I have finished filming the video with Kyle D, the guy who actually found the money buried on KC’s property. Not that any of you deserve to know, but I will provide a few facts about that. It’s charity all the way, of course. You could find the whole story at the AB Forum, as the other folk do. But…I will take time to give you a few details:
1) Money was found in the summer of 1998, and was turned over to the Bonney Lake Police Department.
2) Money was discovered when Kyle was playing a tag-type game with some friends, and Kyle tripped over a small piece of wood sticking up out of the ground a couple of inches. This revealed was he called ‘a small, very tough plastic bag’ that contained about $900 of intact twenties, some additional wadded-up twenties, and a bunch of shards around the size of postage stamps or larger. Prior to this discovery, the area had been cleared of the larger trees, which had been sold to a logging company by lot owner Kenneth ‘Mac’ MacWilliams. At the time of the find, Mac no longer owned the property. No one seems to know who the owner of the property actually WAS in 1998, but since the bills are all dated 1984-85, this means the lot was owned by Kenny Christiansen at that time, and he is most likely the person who buried it. The money was not only in the plastic bag, but had been buried inside some loose pieces of wood in the approximate shape of a box. In other words, someone dug down into the ground until they had a square hole there, placed five pieces of wood in there to make a sort of box, and then covered it with dirt. This sounds suspiciously like the setup Kenny did in the attic of his house.
3) The total amount was later determined to be approximately $1,400 or so. All of the boys got an equal share of the money later, in NEW bills.
4) One of the families took pictures of the money, with the bills laid out in rows, and the shards placed into four small baggies, before it was turned over to the police. The baggies are marked with the approximate amounts inside them, as far as they could determine. It was then turned over to the police.
5) Kyle has identified some of the other people who were present when the money was found. He is local to the Bonney Lake area. We do give their full names in the video, and show pictures of the money. Kyle basically walked me through how it all happened, and we did this video at the place it was found. (Most fun video I’ve done in a while.)
*NOTE ON THIS STORY:* This money was an urban rumor about Kenny that had been going around for years, but had never been proven until now. It was even mentioned on the Decoded show, and witness Carolyn Tyner said years ago that she had heard about the finding of this money. But that she didn’t know who found it, or the circumstances…because she and then-husband Robin Powell no longer owned the lot out back of Kenny’s house, but only the house itself. Kyle came forward to me after seeing the Decoded episode in a rerun. He is 33 years old.
I have to process and edit the video. It will be available via a private link at YouTube, and at the AB Forum. Probably by Tuesday. I will eventually release it publicly at YouTube, but not until an announcement is made on the upcoming motion picture…one way or another. Will they or won’t they do the movie? Only the set hairdresser knows for sure. 🙂
NOTE: Initial public article on this story is complete. You can click on my name to see it. 🙂
The Envy Brothers. Robert M.Blevins and Louie Meyers. The first’s accomplishments are for shotgunning lies into the open and seeing what hits any incidental target. The latter, well no accomplishments whatsoever. The Envy Brothers.
Really? You’re one of the big reasons why I decided to keep the AB Forum members only. The cast of Decoded have already been fully informed on the Kyle development. Before you start calling people liars, do your research first. That way…you won’t look like (so much) of a fool later. 🙂
FYI: I’ve talked to Meyer Louie exactly three times in eight years. Thought you should know.
Think about something, ‘Johnnie Greene’. What could I possibly be envious about in Cooperland, or even the site known as Cooper Heaven? What exactly? I got a movie deal worth six figures and three points on the production company’s share of the net…they’ve already paid me thousands of dollars for the first two years’ option, my book does steady sales in wholesale at Ingram,
The two production companies even plan to name Christiansen not as a maybe, but as THE hijacker. What more could I possibly want, or possibly benefit from…by hanging around with folks who got cut from the action because all they do is go after each other.
You must be joking…
If Bruce continues to harbor bLIEvens, then he and bLIEvens have the same agenda. Squidding indeed! Think about it Bruce.
If Bruce erases my comments about bLiEvens………..he ain’t gonna like what I have to say about hit, that I guarantee!
A couple of things, Terry:
1. Your posts here must conform to my standards.
2. I get the last word.
3. I do not “support” any individual here. I support good journalism
A couple of things, Terry:
1. Your posts here must conform to my standards.
2. I get the last word.
3. I do not “support” any individual here. I support good journalism
Oh really Bruce…really? That’s not what I’ve seen here. 1) Your standards? You yourself called rmb a mutherfucker, did you not? 2) You mean that you get the last work “here.” 3) rmb=cooper was KC=spam, which is not “good” journalism. “Good” journalism means that you retract your own mistakes. Otherwise, you’re peddling disinformation.
I work in terms of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. shutter removed rmb/bLIEvens for honorable reasons. By letting rmb spam here, you’re endorsing him and his very nefarious behavior.
Hey Terry: Why don’t you just talk about the Cooper case? That would solve some problems. You’ve made it plain you don’t like me. LOL you’ll have to get in line with the others. 🙂
You don’t believe Kenny was the hijacker. That’s allowed. Bruce doesn’t believe he was either. Kenny is what you call a ‘polarizing’ suspect. There are few in-between opinions on his guilt. Either people believe strongly that he WAS Cooper, or they absolutely reject him as Cooper.
I got used to all that years. As far as some of the insults I’ve read here, it’s mostly Amateur Night. Heck, I’ve been attacked by some real pros from time to time. You get used to it. Most of the time you just let it go over your head. Not ALL of the time…just MOST of the time. 🙂
Correction: “I got used to all that years (ago).”
You have so much going on for yourself, Blevins? Why are you still here? The bookstore I visited said they couldn’t even give copies of your book away.
Johnnie: I’m not going to try and give you lessons on how wholesale book distribution works, and I never claimed Blast was in every bookstore. There are approximately 29,000 bookstores in the US alone. Ingram, our distributor via their printer Lightning Source, serves the US, Europe, Asia, Australia, and South America. I haven’t the slightest idea where any of our books are individually sold through Ingram distribution. They don’t tell you that. Let’s just say the monthly deposits from Lightning Source are just fine, considering we are a very small local press. We probably do better than some, worse than others. I have no complaints.
Why am I here? I’ve asked myself that same question occasionally. I suppose I feel obligated to release this or that on the Cooper case because I know fans of that case sometimes stop by. And I know none of you are members of the AB Forum. Why I bother is also another question I sometimes ask myself.
I don’t believe any of you really want the case solved, or any info that transcends beyond the baloney fed to you by Tom C and others. You just like bitching about it, or coming after others involved in the case. Trust me, I will more than relieved to put the Cooper case behind me for good. I think the smartest guy in Cooperland was probably Geoff Gray. 🙂
I don’t need a lecture in marketing, Mr. Blevins. I’m talking about the bookstore in Auburn, Washington….You know, as Georger always says, near R&G Cleaning Services at Apartment B.
It’s not ‘R and G’, there is only one bookstore in Auburn and they only do re-binding, not retail, and I don’t live in ‘Apartment B’. And what does my address have to do with the Cooper case, or even book sales? Get real.
What do you think I do? Go around to local bookstores with copies and try to get them to stock? You DO need a few lessons. 🙂 I can tell you haven’t the slightest idea how the book biz works. Your comment is just another cheap shot. And uninformed anyway.
We’re a wholesale trade publisher, ‘Johnnie’. We release all books at the trade rate, (50%-55% off cover price) and the orders from individual bookstores or retailers come through Ingram. You can’t even buy books from us directly, unless it’s by special request and that only happens once or twice a year.
Johnnie: You don’t go by the names ‘Liz’ or ‘Roxanne’ at other places, do you? We received two new registration requests at the AB Forum today. Both are going through our usual screening process before being allowed to join or post. I learned some lessons from Quora dot com. And one of them is that it is better to have verified members with real interest in the forum. Otherwise I say pass on them. A Few Good Members, I have discovered, is much better than allowing anyone on board who might be a fake. I’m not LOOKING for traffic there unless it means something. That’s why it’s restricted registration.
People more desire what they cannot have, or is difficult to obtain, rather than anything that comes to them easily. 🙂
Yep, you caught me red-handed. I want to join AB Forum in the worst way, but I knew You wouldn’t let me in. So, Liz and Roxanne were my attempts at pen name entry. Just call me Lizzy or Roxie.
Actually, we knew you weren’t from Port Orchard or Seattle, Johnnie. We will wait for their responses. Everyone who tries to join gets put through ‘The Inquisition’ first. The serious folks realize why and provide serious answers. The ones who don’t get rejected.
It’s just a discussion forum, and we don’t have a lot of members. But the ones we DO have, don’t post up stuff like YOU do. 🙂
As you can see, I don’t work tomorrow and I stayed up late. There is a reason for this, and if you were actually a member, you would know why. 🙂
This is the way it works, ‘Johnnie’. (I just love it your ‘name’ leads nowhere on the internet.) Anyone applying to join the AB Forum must meet the same requirements as Quora dot com, only stricter and more personal. We all know each other there, and don’t WANT traffic from anonymous or bullshit users. It’s a trusted club, more personal than picking some baloney username and creating another G or other mail address to get on board.
It’s a privileged site where only certified, REAL people, are allowed on board. I am perfectly okay with that. Makes for a better, more inclusive community. When I passed 600,000 views to my questions and answers at Quora, I knew they were onto something. We just made it a bit tougher. Bullshit and phony identities stay at the door. Like it or not, that’s the way it is around here. All the public stuff goes to the place you find when you click on my name up there. 🙂
Wow! Do you mean to tell me that Kenny Christiansen might have had a little over a thousand dollars in his possession at some point in the mid 80s??????????????
Seriously, this is not an amount of money that would raise any kind of suspicion at all.
Even if Kenny was Cooper, which he wasn’t, there would still be no reason to bury a thousand dollars unless those were the bills that he got in the hijacking.
So why did he bury it, if this is even true? I don’t know, maybe he was a fucking fruitcake.
If the money was “turned over to the Bonney Lake police” a record could be obtained. I can use his tactic that he did with Marla..”If I contact the Bonney Lake Police they will verify this, right” the station is right across the street from Kenny..was built between 1980 and 1998..
bills from 1985 or any other year doesn’t mean anything. the year of the bill doesn’t suggest the time of burial, it gives a limit.. laundering money 14 years after the fact lol.
“$20 bill has a relatively healthy lifespan at 7.7 years.”
Caution…a long string of comments about my site will follow this comment to divert from the actual statements made… 🙂
Bonney Lake Police? Go ahead. Contact them. They are here:
http://www.ci.bonney-lake.wa.us/section_government/departments/police/community_service/
One registration approved this morning. One of the applicants answered the Inquisition message properly. They are related to someone we already know very well. Once I verified that, she was approved at once.
Shutter and Parrothead: You keep telling me you don’t care what we say at AB on the case, that you don’t believe KC was the guy, and that I am banned from Cooper Heaven. Yet it’s obvious you DO care or you wouldn’t bother going defensive. You know what?
I think the worm has turned. I believe far fewer people care what YOU say about the Cooper case these days.
I am one of them.
Which is why you have all those members at your forum. The numbers don’t lie.
Look, this money find is confirmation bias at it’s finest. If the feds came in, in 1986 or whenever, and found that buried money, could they then tie him to the DB Cooper hijacking? No, they couldn’t. Nothing about this, even if it’s true, connects Kenny to the hijacking. Only in your mind does it do so.
If it’s true that this money was found, it’s an interesting story. But nothing suggest that it was illegally obtained money.
And why am I not surprised that you are not going to go the route of confirming this actually happened by checking with the police?
And why am I not surprised that you are not going to go the route of confirming this actually happened by checking with the police?
this is the same guy who had the mortgage to the house and said Kenny paid cash lol. you really think he would fact check this?
fact checking is what we do..it has nothing to do with “wanting to know” you never allow people to speak so verification takes place. how do you say it “source please” much like the records on the house (that you are still looking into since 2010) YOU should of contacted the police years ago to get the lead..you can’t be trusted saying anything as far as I’m concerned…still up from the last post at 4 in the morning lol..
how are those records coming along lol..you had numbers weeks ago…or how about that massive search for truth with contacting Mitchell?
All I wanna know is, what happened to the Winnebago that Ken Christianson and Bernie Geestman allegedly used as their getaway vehicle (and secret homosexual tryst hotel)? Can it still be DNA tested? If so, and both men’s DNA are recovered, then Blevins has confirming evidence of the hijacking. Well, at least that they were gay lovers and Blevins didn’t lie about that too.
Why do I let RMB post here, and what does it mean? These are questions raised by Terry B a number of posts back.
Terry assumes that since I allow RMB to post then I must endorse his theories and statements. No, I do not, and making that assumption is lousy journalism.
Good journalism would first require an investigator to ask why I let RMB post. Then a good journalist would follow up and see what I’ve written about RMB and Kenny Christiansen. Anyone who has done that who thinks that I endorse KC to be Cooper is nuts.
For the record, I allow RMB to post because I’m too lazy to ban him. Plus, his contributions to the Flame War are just too compelling to dismiss. Since Terry is a big contributor to that Glorious Debacle, the questions can be reasonably asked, “Why do I let Terry B post here?” I suppose the best answer is that I’m too lazy to ban him, too.
Yes, RMB is an annoying motherfucker, but so is Terry. However, RMB has written a book on Cooper, and has been a substantive contributor to the Cooper discussion online for nearly ten years. In contrast, Terry is a recent newcomer and his meaningful contributions have yet to fully manifest, at least in my judgement. As the editor, my judgement is the only one that really counts in terms of who gets scrubbed and when.
Love it, Bruce. But Blevins writes fiction.
He said it himself.
Blevins, may the farce be with you.
Why do I let RMB post here, and what does it mean? These are questions raised by Terry B a number of posts back.
Terry assumes that since I allow RMB to post then I must endorse his theories and statements. No, I do not, and making that assumption is lousy journalism.
Good journalism would first require an investigator to ask why I let RMB post. Then a good journalist would follow up and see what I’ve written about RMB and Kenny Christiansen. Anyone who has done that who thinks that I endorse KC to be Cooper is nuts.
For the record, I allow RMB to post because I’m too lazy to ban him. Plus, his contributions to the Flame War are just too compelling to dismiss. Since Terry is a big contributor to that Glorious Debacle, the questions can be reasonably asked, “Why do I let Terry B post here?” I suppose the best answer is that I’m too lazy to ban him, too.
Yes, RMB is an annoying motherfucker, but so is Terry. However, RMB has written a book on Cooper, and has been a substantive contributor to the Cooper discussion online for nearly ten years. In contrast, Terry is a recent newcomer and his meaningful contributions have yet to fully manifest, at least in my judgement. As the editor, my judgement is the only one that really counts in terms of who gets scrubbed and when.
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Bruce, you’re still sore because a criticized something that you called “squidding.” The first time I talked to you on the phone, you said “Whoa, I’m not a detective.” That’s fine, you don’t have to be one. I criticized an idea because it’s absurd, not the person. I ask you again: What about the FBI files that show that NWA and a Portland Radar fixed the jump near LeCenter? Do you address this in your book? And quote: “However, RMB has written a book on Cooper, and has been a substantive contributor to the Cooper discussion online for nearly ten years.” How so?
Gee, the Bruce A Smith that I saw on YouTube didn’t strike me as being impolite individual. Yet the one I’m getting here is very rude!
The main reason for my recent venting and impatience is because I get really tired of getting the email notifications, only to have to read rmb’s long and rambling bunch of pure BULLSHIT, and his dominance of the threads. I’m not here to play games with anyone! I value my time and efforts.
I don’t need to be patronized by anyone. My opinion is that if people REALLY aren’t interested in any new information regarding Christiansen, or the upcoming film about his life, then who am I to force it on you?
Doesn’t seem like anyone here cares anyway…and mostly I just read a ton of abuse. I thought that bit about the witness coming forward about the money found out back of KC’s house in 1998 was fairly large news. Apparently not.
Well…we’re starting to pick up some solid members at the AB Forum this week. Two yesterday and more today. None of them minded a bit going through what I jokingly call The Inquisition.
Basically, you either have to be known to us or related to someone who does. Or convince us on why we should allow you on board…and that you really are who you SAY you are.
I will save you all a lot of grief. From now on, all new items on the case from AB will either be posted as an article at our WordPress, or discussed more in depth at the forum.
No more freebies. Doesn’t mean I will NEVER post here again, but don’t expect anything new.
Add-on: I am retracting my offer of automatic approval (more or less) to any of the known names in Cooperland. From now on, all will be considered on a case by case like everyone else.
Sorry for the late response Terry as I was out of the country….the most rarest of the elements found in 71 was the 99.9% commercially pure titanium Ter mind if I call you ter? Anyway I can match every other particle to my suspect as well ter…but back to the pure titanium because to quote tom kaye from the travel channel epsiode when asked how rare the 99.9% pure ti found on coopers tie in 71 was “very rare!” I now have actual proof that links klansnic to the welding of aluminum alloys prior to 71 as a part of a tubing development program for the SST. Klansnic was a part of the commercial airplane division of the boeing company which aided the program of which the objective mainly was to test different two different ti alloys ( testing was initially on Ti-6AI-4V, then was later changed to Ti-3AI-4V) for there hydraulic tubing being used on the aircraft, I learned this thanks to a declassified government doc that I was able to dig up on the program. Klansnic is listed as a source 6 times on this report and is credited with “In Place Fusion Welding of Titanium alloy” amongst other things. I had to turn into an internet metallurgists to figure this out but I learned that 99.9% commercially pure ti is often used as a filler when welding titanium alloy. The document also mentions that commercially pure titanium was also tested but not an option due to cost but the report stated that commercially pure titanium was being used for the supply lines. So there you have it what other suspect do we have in a hyraulics article under a 727 that’s a dead ringer for the sketch with the tie he is wearing being a black clip on tie that’s a dead ringer for the tie in evidence and we can place the ultra rare pure titanium in 71 on him him as well as every other particle found you tell me Ter…..and I don’t want to hear any more of this jon bennet and the letters gobbly goop I’m dealing in actual physical evidence here pal!
If everything you say is true, then kudos to you on your research. Have you posted your results, with links, or pictures, or whatever you have…online somewhere? It would help.
There is also another problem, and that is proving that this pure titanium-induced tie was actually worn by Cooper prior to the hijacking. He could have obtained it anywhere…and a great many people were laid off by Boeing rather suddenly prior to the hijacking. It was infamous. I saw the results. Tens of thousands out of work here. A famous sign on Interstate 5 in Seattle, southbound. (“Will the last person to leave Seattle please turn out the lights?”) My own father was a victim and had to take a job pulling plywood sheets from the dryer for five bucks an hour. Boeing execs working at McDonalds. People commiting suicide. Home defaults galore. It was BAD, and I went through all that as a teen. Good thing we had a farm for the food.
The tie is good perhaps, but not good enough. You need more. It could have been picked up at a discount bin from a Goodwill or a Salvation Army. Or perhaps it was borrowed.
You also have to wonder why Cooper was soooo careful to retrieve the notes, his matchbook, dispose somehow of the paper bag and its contents, as well as the dummy chute…and then simply toss the tie over a seat.
Not saying Klansic isn’t the guy, but you need more than the tie.
(“If it doesn’t fit…you must acquit…”)
Last part there was a joke, of course. 🙂
You said it yourself earlier blevins it was not the dna age cooper was not worried about the tie tracing back to him….so let’s play your game if you were laid off and looking for work and got employed again in your same field that you were already wearing clip on tie’s for why would you give a $3 clip on tie with a clasp worth even more then that to goodwill? and if you wanted a clip on tie you could get one for a couple bucks brand new at a more readily available jc penny outlet? cooper was trying to tip very generously during norjack why go to a thrift store to save a dollar on a tie? but let’s say he did get it from there or took or borrowed from a friend well that person could of only been klansic or a handful of other people…. very very small pool that tie had to come from and klansnic is swimming in it what are the fucking odds excuse my french lol. I got a 73 pic of klansnic from his best friend’s son john shorkey jr. wedding and boy does it look good does anybody know how I can get in contact with brian williams?
I’m not disputing your conclusions. But you have to present more than just some non-editable comments to WordPress. Perhaps you should display what you have so far on an appropriate venue.
Brian Williams? You mean the African-American reporter? If so, he has ‘people’. You would have to go through them at whatever network where he currently works. If another Brian Williams, I don’t know what you mean.
Sorry Robert been overloading the brain circuts with cooper and it’s late I’m Losing it… I got Brian Ingram and Hal Williams mixed up I meant Hal Williams the agent who sold cooper his ticket and assigned him to 18c. Anybody know how I can reach him?
Gypsy 23 says:
“Love it, Bruce. But Blevins writes fiction.
He said it himself.”
Hell, yeah. Of course I do. That’s what I was doing when I got roped into Cooperland. It’s no big secret. 13th Day of Christmas, Say Goodbye to the Sun, The Corona Incident, contributions and editing services on Escape Velocity – The Anthology, which is 48 sci fi tales from 44 authors worldwide baby. 🙂 And the print mag that preceded the book.
And then Cooper came along. Oh, brother. Just what I needed. Now that Cooper is coming to a close for me, I’m researching my next sci fi book, which is about a family in the future trying to flee the effects of climate change and find a better life.
And not THAT far into the future. I’ve come to the idea that climate change is cumulative. In other words, the worse it gets, the faster it gets worse.
Your world of climate change sounds a lot like what we are trying to do about you, Blevins. Escape you. The more you hang around here, the worse it gets. And the faster it gets worse.
Johnnie Greene says:
July 24, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Your world of climate change sounds a lot like what we are trying to do about you, Blevins. Escape you. The more you hang around here, the worse it gets. And the faster it gets worse.
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I agree. Notice also how his hand puppet Nicky ignores several facts as he/she tries to fit things together to fit his/her pet suspect, while willfully ignoring the fact that the tie had many more highly specialized particles on it, in addition to the pure titanium. He/she clearly said “titanium alloy,” which is how titanium is used….as an alloy. I suspect that they made up the part about the “welding filler,” but perhaps not? It sounds wonky, but I’m not gonna waste a bunch on my time trying to prove it in either way. Earlier I had stated that I think that all of the particles act as a messages, and especially the infra red detection particles. According to the FOIA documents, certain FBI agents apparently felt that Cooper would have needed a method of targeting a precise spot on the ground. Infrared gas powered lanterns were already around as early as 1953 and would have provided a very high intensity infrared source, a source which could be seen right through fog and rain. It was an alloy of strontium, as I recall, that specialized in this type of detection, and this same alloy was found on the tie. The point being that this moves the scope away from some “airplane welder” over to someone that was aware of and was exposed to and/or had access to many highly specialized particles that served very “high tech” purposes. And of course bLIEvens just had to muddle his way into this line of reasoning and poo-poo it. He’ll deny that, of course. The simple fact that somewhat subtle little figurines found on the SKY MARSHALLS document are also found on the so-called Ramsey ransom note, so-called because it never was a “ransom note” as the facts clearly show, speaks volumes about it in terms of linkage. And guess what? This is only one simple aspect and point of comparison of the documents. bLIEvens feigns stupidity as a cover, but a careful examination of his writings shows that he’s not as much stupid as he is a deceptive invalidator. The same goes for this Nicky, same tactics. My approach is to lay down a good foundation of facts and information, then move perhaps towards the “who done it” question, and only if ALL of the evidence support any such a notion. Conversely, bLIEvens and Nicky wanna steer people’s thinking despite the fact that there is evidence already in place that eliminates their pet suspects. The Boulder chief of police wrongfully steered suspicion onto the parents, and the media picked it up and ran with it. Neither entity checked the basic case facts. In deposition, Boulder DA Hunter stated that he felt that the then Boulder police chief John Eller’s removal was “essential.” It’s also startling that the ransom note clearly states and in no uncertain terms “You will also be denied her remains for proper burial.” Which is exactly what Eller threatened to do! You see, it isn’t simply me showing the linkage of the cases, it’s the author of the documents in question that’s laid down the linkages, and he did it in multiple instances too. Also, by Nick intentionally misspelling JonBenet, she’s attempting to invalidate. Yes, I missed the accent sign on JonBenet, but my computer typing skills are admittedly less than they should be. I’m not obsessed with JonBenet, like perhaps someone might be obsessed with say Marilyn Monroe, or the like, it’s the spooky way the public has been systematically misled, leaving everyone a victim, whether they fully realize it or not.
Terry Batcher says in part:
“I agree. Notice also how his hand puppet Nicky…”
You can stop right there. Nicky is no ‘hand puppet’ of mine. Don’t you read the news? Nick joined our last version of the AB Forum, got access to a private, members-only, discussion thread…and the next day we were shut down. Then he falsely claimed Shutter put him up to it.
Uh…no. I have no hand puppet relationship going there, I assure you. He’s part of the reason the present discussion forum at Adventure Books is restricted, and not available for viewing by guests…PERMANENTLY.
EDIT: Wanted to add something. As it turned out, it was better for AB of Seattle that the forum was shut down. It made us re-think the whole discussion forum thing. What we decided was that it was better to screen members first, and allow on board only those who were truly interested in participating, and weren’t there to attack others.
Ever since then, all we have gotten are quality members and no more problems. It’s a relaxed atmosphere where everyone knows everyone else, kind of like your REAL friends at Facebook.
It also prevents people from just dropping by to pick up tidbits to trash us with elsewhere. 🙂 Everyone there knows they are part of a real group, and trusted with certain things we don’t release publicly.
One new approval again today at the AB Forum. Poor guy…I apologized for putting him through the mill like I did. He was legit, though. We’ve even taken to asking potential members to use messenger at Facebook to verify themselves. 🙂
Like I said…learned a lot by studying how Quora dot com worked.
“…to use messenger at Facebook to verify themselves.” It’s a level of verification that you really can’t fake. That’s why. I just get tired of having to apologize and explain WHY we have this policy to join the forum. Everyone seems to understand why, though. 🙂
I have to say this about Bruce Smith’s writing: it’s getting better by the day. Take for example his latest entry in the Mountain News. His love story about his first college sweetheart… Michelle. That’s damn near award winning writing. Everything flowed. Of course, my first college sweetheart was also Jewish and that prevented me from
getting to third base. I had to steal second. Funny, I also ended up in Nassau, Bahamas one fine spring many moons ago. Anyway, I hope Mr. Blevins reads more of Bruce’s work. He would be advised to do this, so he can learn better writing skills.
I’ve read plenty of Bruce’s stuff here at Mountain News. Yes, he’s good. We’ve had *minor* differences on his interview technique, but it’s no big deal. 🙂 If I didn’t like him, I wouldn’t have climbed into my truck at night and driven to the boondocks to see if he was okay. One thing about Bruce you have to remember is that he is currently the most active investigator of the Cooper case in the Northwest. And he has a comprehensive book out there. You have to give people what they deserve, and not just go negative on everything about them because of one point of dispute or another.
It just ain’t fair. I’m far from perfect, and have been known to lose my temper in the Cooper case. But I do try to practice being fair, at least most of the time. When I came after Shutter’s friend like that, you could call that ‘losing my temper’ and ‘being wrong’. Really? LOL oh yes. Hell no, I never claimed to be Mr Perfect, that’s for sure.
One thing I want to say in my defense. It ain’t much. But those posts where I tell you about Ozette Island, being lost in the Cascades for a month, and those other things…they are TRUE. I provided the articles and links and whatever to all of that stuff, and other, with the production companies for the movie. I gave them the means to check it all out, and if they found I had lied…they would have dumped me at the start and paid me not a cent. Truth works. 🙂
Yes, Bruce Smith has good stuff. If he didn’t, I wouldn’t bother coming here.
Writing skills? You cut me to the quick. Four of my own and more coming. Edited a book containing 48 sci fi tales from 44 different authors worldwide. Cover, interior images, and text. I’ve edited more than sixty books now for other authors.
What am I, chopped liver? 🙂
RMB: take some classes from Professor Smith, study hard, get your degree, and adopt critical thinking skills, and write without using “I” in every other line. Then come back and post. We’ll grade your work. Right now, you couldn’t pass the SAT writing section. Not kidding either.
Johnnie, this is your most constructive post yet regarding Mr. Blevins. Couldn’t agree more. Half of his problems would be solved if his writing improved by way of your suggestions. He should pay Bruce for some personal writing classes. Then pay him more for unlimited use of Bruce’s MN site. THAT would be fair, and we have heard all about Blevins pursuit of fairness.
Not to pick on your comments, but let me know the minute you finish editing more than sixty outside books for other authors…write four of your own with two in the works…and run a print sci-fi magazine…AND a publishing business all at the same time. Then you can preach to me about writing. I must be doing something right. They even let me do script approval and changes on the upcoming movie about your favorite criminal. I think you’re just jealous.
Nothing like hearing amateurs pretend to be experts. 🙂 I get a laugh out of that one every time.
Never said i was an expert, Blevins. But you are not a good writer. You may have completed some editing or whatever, but I’ve read your shit and it’s not good writing. Very poor, and the probable reason you do house cleaning for a living. Stick with your day job and take writing classes from Bruce. Learn better research skills from Georger and take website construction classes from Shutter. Then, go to the 7th or 8th edition of your book and see if you can sell a few dozen or so copies. Got that?
Georger and Shutter? LOL…now that is funny indeed. We’re in the cleaning biz because we can call our own hours, our own customers, and it nets us over 6K a month…even in a bad month. I quit my job as warehouse manager for a major carpet company to go into that business.
I get top rates for ‘some editing’, as you call it, and sixty edits is quite a bit. Imagine sixty books on the shelf above your computer. And why should I take advice from someone who isn’t man enough to back up his comments with a real identity, and recommends me to people who do the same thing? You are a shill, and little more.
Only one of our books went to a second edition, by the way. Just one. Maybe YOU’RE the one who should brush up on his research skills. 🙂 Your opinions on my writing mean zip to me.
Cooper News: ‘NW Rob,’ a member of the AB Forum, also runs Escape Experience, a business in Vancouver, WA that does different escape rooms and other activities. One of them is a DB Cooper room. LOL..a burglar broke in and couldn’t escape. He ended up calling 911 to get out. Rob says he had concerns, but it was (kind of) funny. He made all the news wires, including CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/us/escape-room-burglar-trnd/index.html
*Cooper News:* Andy, the kid from Georgia who worked a summer for the Atlanta Braves, was approved for the AB Forum. One other member at the forum had his account closed, but was not banned. If someone takes all the trouble to contact us, get past our famous ‘Inquisition,’ and then….doesn’t even introduce themselves onsite for over a month….they usually get their account closed. We expect people who take up our time (and theirs) getting on board to at least make ONE introductory post within a reasonable time. This member was warned a week in advance that this would happen, but apparently didn’t care…and he went through nine emails to join LOL. 🙂
If you think our forum membership policy is harsh, it IS. But it keeps out the riff raff and I sleep better at nights, and do far less monitoring of the site.
Other news: We’re shooting a video soon about the 1998 money find behind KC’s old house in Bonney Lake. It was supposed to be done by now, but I keep putting it off because of the damn heat wave. For example, we had planned a few days ago to shoot it TODAY…but it is in the mid-90’s here in the Seattle area. Forget about it. Rescheduled to next week, when Weather Underground shows the heat wave is finally going to break. FINALLY. I’ve had two AC’s going at our place for almost two weeks straight now, and I recharged the AC on both our vehicles, as well as on the car owned by the senior lady I sometimes do work for on weekends.
That’s all the news that’s fit to post. 🙂
If the riff raff moderator was kept out of the AB Forum, everyone would sleep better at night.
Worries you that much? 🙂 Nothing to worry about there.
Terry I’m not ignoring he other particles I’ve been to hard at work obtaining my online degree in metallurgy lol jk but my work has paid off boys! The document I have states commercially pure ti filler wire was being used for the welds. I have since learned all the rare earth metals found on the ti are used for welding ti alloys the majors one being yttrium. Now Kaye suspect the yitrium came for crt tube manufacturing but it could have also being used for ti alloy welding. I will quote an article I found on the subject that dates this practice back to 1967 klansic was welding ti alloys in 78. I’ll quote the the key part from the article “Despite good weldability the welding usually negatively effects the mechanical properties of titanium alloys. One way to overcome such a problem is to refine the prior grain size by the grain-boundary pinning effect of second phase particles and promote heterogenous nucleation in the FZ (fusion zone) It was shown that microalloying with transition elements, especially rare earth elements is a promising way to refine the structure of titanium alloys. One of the most frequently employed alloying elements is yttrium.”
Correction klansnic was welding ti alloys in 68 not 78…
When you consider how many people were wleding ti alloys and looked like jim and wore an identical prior to 71 that is an awfully small poll klansnic is swimming in!
*tie
I have a small suggestion for all you ‘renegades from Cooper Heaven’. And I don’t mean this in a bad or insulting way. But maybe some of you should establish a free discussion site over at ProBoards or something. At least there you could edit your posts, put up pictures much easier, present your case(s) better and easier. Bruce’s comment section is a nice place, but not really set up for this sort of thing.
No big deal…just a thought.
Who cares robert I just made the single greatest discovery in the history of this case and I am happy to break the news exclusively on the MNW!
Well…I see some documents about welding tests. I don’t see any break quite yet. No documentation that Klansic actually worked for Boeing at a time prior to the hijacking. The report itself that you quote is from seven months after the hijacking. I’m not saying you are wrong on Klansnic, but it’s a bit thin.
I could lay it on you that Bernie Geestman worked on the 727 program…we have that from several family witnesses and some of his associates. Also for Foss Tugs as a mechanic, which also uses ti in marine piping. (And where he told a whopper about his time off while working there, claiming he worked two weeks on, two off, and was WORKING over the time of the hijacking. That was later proven false.)
None of that proves anything about the tie, though. I mostly left those parts out of our investigation, but they exist. One big thing is to establish an alibi, or a lack of one, for Klansnic. You don’t seem to have much on that. As far as you know, he could have been partying in Las Vegas that Thanksgiving. Need witnesses. Need an alibi. Just saying.
Since it cannot be established WHERE the tie came from originally, other than Penney’s, basing guilt just on the tie is damn near impossible. You have to link this tie to someone, and that is tough. I have more than you do on this. Dawn Androsko, Geestman’s sister, ID’d the tie clip from a non-captioned (no FBI reference or anything to say what it represented) picture of the tie and clip. Said she didn’t recognize the tie, but was sure KC wore that clip on a few occasions, but not after the date of the hijacking. Her grandson Jonathan was in attendance during the entire interview. That’s witness testimony, recorded and noted. You need some of this, not just your word on everything.
Not saying I don’t believe you…but what you have is pretty thin so far. Might be right…but THIN.
Robert my doc references klansnic as doing ti alloy welding in 68. It’s more likely then not the tie belonged to cooper and to me it’s a stretch to believe he borrowed it or got it at a thrift store for many reasons.That is hear say robert I actually got a pic of klansnic wearing an identical tie! ” you got pics? if not then you got nothing!” Witness testimony is just somebody elses word don’t mean diddly… I got more on klansnic in 2 years then all your years on kenny buddy sorry to break it to you time to wake up and smell the coffee blevins!
In place Fusion Welding Of Titanium Alloy Tubing-SST-Summary Status, A.E. Lobb to J.E. Klansnic and E.T. Raymond, 11-18-68
Actually, witness testimony is very valuable, especially when it is corroborated by other witnesses who are interviewed separately. That’s how most courts work. Hearsay evidence is when someone tells what they heard from someone else, and is often not admissible without other witnesses to corroborate it. In other words, if three people testify to what they heard someone say, then maybe it is evidence. When one person testifies on hearsay, it is mostly discarded.
Testimony as to what you know personally IS evidence. Now…I finally spotted Klansnic’s name in your document. I missed that at first. Yes, that could be evidence. But just linking him to ti doesn’t, in and of itself, prove he hijacked an airliner using the same tie three years later. Yes, I can see it as evidence, but you definitely need more here. Family testimony, testimony from friends and associates, and especially establishing where he was at the time of the crime.
Jim Klansnic was apart of the Boeing commercial airplane division (BCA) since it’s inception in 1967 robert… this is well documented as well as confirmed by a fellow BCA coworker of Jim’s, Richard Dittenberger.
I will accept your statement as fact. But you still need more. A picture of a black tie where you can’t tell whether or not it is a clip on is just not enough to convict. Even possible TI involvement isn’t good enough. The SST program had thousands of employees. Need something more personal here. Such as where was he on or about November 24, 1971?
Look…sometimes it just takes legwork. I got into my Subaru wagon and traveled all over the Northwest for over a year interviewing everyone and anyone I could find who knew KC and Geestman. This is why History Channel did the Decoded show. This is why after they did…Geestman’s family started contacting me. You have to get PERSONAL with this investigation, and I don’t want to discourage you on this. Been there, done that. Sacrificed much time and money over almost an 18-month period. You may end up having to do something similar, which means running down anyone who might know Klansnic’s whereabouts at certain times, or his life after the date of the crime.
Just linking him to TI alone won’t do it, but it’s a start, enough to put him on the suspect list. I will give you that.
Thanks Robert! what do you think I’m doing here playing tiddly winks!? I will go to the ends of the earth to prove what I know to be true and that’s James Edward Klansnic was Dan Cooper.
Like I said robert it’s a very small pool pf people that welded ti alloy prior to 67 with Jim’s backround. Add in the picture of him wearing an identical tie, olive skin, dead ringer appearance wise, and every other box he checks off with ease. You are right a story attached to klansnic will be the straw that breaks this cases back and believe me I will stop at nothing until I get just that!
HINT: If you approach family members or friends of this guy, be cautious, be NICE. Otherwise they will blow you off quick. It’s tricky. When I interviewed Bernie G, I told him at first I was just doing a biography on Kenny. I didn’t start out by mentioning the Cooper case. If I had, I would never have gotten what I did from him. When I finally told him the real deal, he damn near fainted right there on his front porch LOL. You should have been there, I swear. Then he started lying to people, including Marisa Kagan from History Channel. 🙂
Don’t get me wrong. I never said I was 100% certain KC and Geestman were the perps. I think your guy DOES deserve to be on the suspect list. I do.
Side NOTE: Another potential registrant to the AB Forum today. Another probable rejection, depending on his answers to ‘The Inquisition’ email we send to these folks. We will see. The email he provided is found nowhere else on the internet. Not good. (You can put quotes around an email address in Google Search and find out where that email has ever been used to make comments to forums, register at a forum, or whatever.) With zero results on that search, we wait for the answers to the Inquisition Questions and make our decision based on that. 🙂
We’re tough on people these days, no kidding. But it keeps out the spammers, the liars, and the baloney folks. Unless he comes to Jesus with us, his app will be rejected. And I don’t care if people like this policy or not. It is what it is, and we haven’t had any forum problems since.
This is what we send to people when they register for the AB Forum. Yeah, it’s tough. 🙂 We later sent this person a second email after we found zero on his email address, asking him approximately where he lived, since we also tracked his IP address. One wrong answer to any of the questions, or NO answer, and we ban their IP for life. Man, we are hard on people LOL. This could be (you think?) why we only have a few members…but they are GOOD members.
“Hi,
The Adventure Books of Seattle staff is reviewing your application to join the forum. We have had some problems in the past with spammers, or folks who investigate the famous ‘DB Cooper’ hijacking case who occasionally went on the attack against our previous forum.
That said…we decided to put potential members through what we jokingly call ‘The Inquisition’. This is to screen out the folks who really want to join with the ones who don’t. So I apologize in advance, but I have to ask a few questions before we authorize your membership to the forum.
Before you answer, you should know that the forum is not a real big deal and we don’t have a lot of members anyway. So consider that before you answer the questions. You might not think it’s worth it. Just saying.
Why do you want to join the forum?
Where did you hear about the forum?
Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the website known as The DB Cooper Forum dot com? If so, please tell us the username (not your real name) that you used at that site. Membership at that website will not necessarily disqualify you…but if you lie about it, we will find out anyway. So please be honest.
Have you ever posted at Bruce Smith’s Mountain News under his DB Cooper articles? If so, we ask the same thing…that you provide the username you use to post comments there.
NOTE: The email address you provided to join the AB Forum will be checked for validity, and whether it has ever been used elsewhere on the internet to join other sites, make comments to articles or other forums, etc. This is easily done. If we find zero record, this would be very unusual and we will probably ask a couple of more questions before authorizing your membership.
This ‘inquisition’ may seem harsh, and it probably is, but we would rather have fewer quality members than a great influx of useless traffic. If you are approved, all new members are required to make at least one introductory post. You can do that wherever you wish, but our suggestion is under the Introductions thread.
Sincerely yours,
Robert Blevins, managing editor, Adventure Books of Seattle”
I’ve had a couple of people try to sneak past our verification this week. I finally forced them to use Facebook to identify themselves properly to us. Last guy tried to convince me by giving his name…only problem was that his name is not a name…but a town in Pakistan. LOL. His name REVERSED (last/first) shows only one entry at Facebook.
How we get around this problem is to ask them to contact us via Facebook prior to registration approval. I give them my Facebook address. Almost impossible to get around THAT. If they don’t respond…we simply reject them.
I told you we were tough around here. 🙂
Folks are lining up by the droves to get into the AB Forum. Traffic control needed. EVERYONE wants to get on Blevin’s site. Only NICE people allowed. LOL!!!
bLIEvins, no one here gives a flying fuck about your forum, who is in it, or how you go about letting people in. No one cares!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get over your damn self.
This isn’t about me, Parrothead and Johnnie. And every problem we’ve had with the two previous forums somehow related right back to the place you hang out on the internet discussing Cooper. One way or another. That is a FACT. No matter what the reasons or excuses might be, that is a fact.
That particular site….well, over in a file Greg the Techie Guy gave me…sit just over fifty pages of screenshots, all taken from that site. All of them full of rather insulting comments about yours truly, sometimes even Gayla. The simple truth is that when we would respond to some of this crud by posting over quotes and making our views on them known…there would go the server complaints. So to make that all stop, we stopped mentioning you, and then we privatized the new forum.
You forced us into this policy…and some of you over there DID care…because some of your IP addresses appeared in the Security Log from time to time. Which proves some of you were dropping by. I have a few of your IP addresses, mostly given to me way back when by Regina Winkles. (Whenever someone posts, even anonymously, to WordPress, their IP address is recorded and available to the blog owner.) She sent me a list. We were able to match some of these IP’s to your online identities by tracking other internet posts made by the same IP address.
However, I see this subject hits a sensitive nerve with you. So now that you know how our current policy works, I see no point in mentioning it further. I simply came to the idea that A Few Good Men (or Women) was better than just allowing an open free for all. At some point in the future, if and when the film producers finally release an announcement and a trailer on the upcoming Cooper picture…then I will make some mods to the AB homepage and the DB Cooper Info Page there, and open the forum to the public. But not until then.
One additional thing: I apologize for those previous posts where I made the situation sound funny somehow. It isn’t.
It’s a shame that we were forced to do this regarding Cooper updates, except for the WordPress Cooper column, which is still public.
Cooper News: Heat wave in Seattle is *finally* coming to an end. I have scheduled up the video shoot with ‘Kyle,’ the guy who (with some of his friends) discovered over a thousand dollars in twenty-dollar bills buried on the lot behind Kenny’s house. We will present pictures in the video, and the video will be made public at YouTube after all. Meyer Louie will be assisting on the two-shots, or where Kyle and I have to appear together, but mostly it will be Kyle telling his own story and showing where and how the money was found…and what happened afterward. Turns out that an urban rumor that’s been going around on Kenny for years, and testified to by two former KC house owners…is TRUE.
I have two good reasons to believe it was Kenny who buried the money. First, because he was alive, living at the house, and owned the property at the time it was buried. (Bills all dated 84-85) Second, that the construction of the hiding spot is suspiciously similar to the hiding spot discovered in Kenny’s attic by the Decoded cast. My own opinion is that Kenny buried this money…and then may have forgotten WHERE he buried it. You could toss a rock from the back of the house to the spot where the money was found…if you had a reasonable pitching arm. 🙂
Cooper News: AB of Seattle has sent an official request today to the Bonney Lake Police Department in an attempt to verify Kyle’s frankly amazing story. We included the usual request for records and provided all details. (Bonney Lake PD is right across the street from Kenny’s old house.) Along with the request went a picture of Kenny’s house, (figured they would recognize it right away), plus a copy of the ‘teaser reel,’ a picture of the found money, some other stuff, and a cover letter explaining the whole thing. It’s a well-constructed, well-written request and I anticipate a decent response.
Can’t wait for your movie, Blevins. You’ve got DB Cooper the child molester who puts his cash in a woodpecker hole in Bonney Lake. This is an amazing subplot for your elite movie crew. Have you lined up any child actors yet? How about a gay man to play Bernie Geestman? You can probably find a late 1960’s Winnabago on Craigslist. Can’t wait for your movie.
There are two differences between us there Mr Greene. First is, I call it like I see it, and provide hard information in the case that is much more interesting than the place YOU hang out lately.
Second is, unlike YOU…I put a real person behind my findings and comments. It’s easy to snipe at folks from behind a rock as you do, which goes to character if nothing else. We’re speaking of YOUR character, ‘Johnnie Greene’. In my opinion, you are little more than an anonymous shill, since you don’t have the courage to even qualify where your comments originate. Me? I have no such problem. Unlike you, I don’t hide behind a phony identity.
It shows you are not only angry and frustrated, but must vent about it anonymously when the urge strikes you. 🙂 Good luck with that.
Unlike you bLIEvens, wherever Johnnie Greene comes from, he tells the truth. You on the other hand are a pathological and habitual LIAR. Neither you nor your Nicky friend adhere to the truth. It’s called “exculpatory evidence,” meaning evidence that clears your pet suspects. It means that you and Nicky willfully ignore certain basic case facts and plow right ahead with lie after lie after lie. You admit that a whole bunch of people hate you, but then you blame them rather than examining your own nasty behavior. You dominate the truth with a bunch of sickening LIES, thereby taunting those who are truthful. Bruce himself talks about the “core four” letters, you apparently and willfully ignore that whole subject. By your own admission you have proven yourself to be an active member of the “fake news/deep state network.” You practically and repeatedly brag about how you and your associates are gonna dominate the Cooper narrative. Your behavior is directly comparable to those that produced and presented in Sept of 2016 ‘The Case of JonBenet Ramsey’, which was an obscene stack of lies hoist upon the public. It truly was “wholesale jury tampering” as the successful author Steven Singular and his wife so aptly put it. Fortunately for those of us that cherish the truth, it’s generally having the reverse effect it was seeking and a lot of people are fed up with the “manufacturing of fake news.” BTW, there was another bLIEvens that the Minneapolis police had to deal with harshly and with deadly force. This same cat was holding a hand gun, told to drop it, told to put his hands up repeatedly…oh and the cop even called him a motherfucker too! Oh, but this cat was a black man, so apparently some of your relatives were slave traders, the same of which then makes sense to me. History question: From what Mideastern tribe were most of the slave traders from? Go ahead bLIEvens, here’s another opportunity for you to LIE some more! Hint: The Ramsey ransom note has about 17ea direct hints of the tribe I’m referring to. Disclaimer: Some of this tribes people are truly honorable people, but they have to be very careful that they don’t speak out against the dirtier members…I can cite several current examples too.
Uh, really? And what in the heck does the Jon Benet case have to do with me? I don’t recall anyone else in the last ten years posting on my behalf, or on the behalf of Adventure Books except myself. Maybe once in that whole time by Gayla.
In ten years.
What in the heck do I have to do with the Minneapolis police and some guy they had to use ‘deadly force’ on? I’ve never even BEEN to Minnesota.
You are rambling. You are babbling. You haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about most of the time.
None of my relatives were slave traders, as far as I know. They came to the USA from Scotland. No slaves. They were farmers for the most part.
Let me drop a hint on you. I once had a job working as a case manager at a group home. I was very good at this job. Our clients were folks referred to the group home by mental hospitals and outpatient clinics for the mentally ill. If you aren’t already receiving professional help, you should be.
*The previous post was an opinion*.
Cooper News: I have received word on our request to the Bonney Lake Police Department. Heather Tower, the PIO for the BLPD has forwarded our request to the two assistant Chiefs of Police for further investigation. I think the reason for referring it to them is because they have been with the BLPD long enough to recall the incident with Kyle, his friends, and this money from 1998. (I would say *alleged* money, but we do have pictures of these bills.)
Editor:
A couple of posts were scrubbed due to their off-topic, offensive, content. Hence, a reminder: no one is to offer their in-depth psychiatric opinion of anyone else. Save it for Psychology Today.
If you really posted this remark Bruce: Editor:
“A couple of posts were scrubbed due to their off-topic, offensive, content. Hence, a reminder: no one is to offer their in-depth psychiatric opinion of anyone else. Save it for Psychology Today.”
Then you are one hell of a hypocrite!
Bruce, I didn’t mean to offend your sensibilities, or your outstanding Cooper site. All I wanted to project is that I found it interesting that Robert Blevins used to work at a mental health facility.
Or if you are ‘into’ science fiction, the magazine Psychology Tomorrow, which deals with things and ideas…you’ve just crossed over into…uh, never mind. 🙂
Actually, I agree with the scrubbings this time. I think lately I’ve posted up some fairly interesting stuff, especially our ongoing investigation into this money allegedly found behind KC’s house. I can finally do the video on this, now that the heat in Seattle has broken. I don’t know about you, but I was getting pretty tired of it. And some of the homes Gayla and I had to do this week? A couple of customers set their AC’s NOT to come on until it reaches 78 degrees in the home. Really? Seventy-eight degrees? Then it shuts OFF…when it reaches 78 degrees inside the home.
I told Gayla: “If they do this next summer, we’re dropping them from service…”
…..and since Bruce has multiple advanced degrees in human psychology and sociology, and is an accomplished journalist to boot, Bruce would no doubt find the innermost processing centers of Blevin’s brain interesting territory for studies in megalomania and other psychotic dysfunctionalities.
You REALLY have anger issues going LOL. I think you’re just pissed off over three basic things:
1) You can’t believe two movie companies actually came to us to do the first-ever, full-length feature film on the DB Cooper Case. And signed us to a contract worth a good six figures and three points of the production companies’ share of the net. You must have gone ballistic on that one. (“How the hell did THAT happen? How could we not stop it? Damn it to HELL!”) My apologies, but I do get a chuckle out of that sometimes. It’s EXACTLY what you deserve. Especially after I spent almost a year holding out the olive branch and had it thrown back in my face, time after time. And all this time folks from the production company were monitoring Cooper Heaven. Some, not all of you, made some pretty nasty comments, which were seen. You made your own bed, not me. I tried to be inclusive. You rejected everything. Stop whining and live with your actions. One of the reasons I made it a strict rule to no longer discuss Cooper Heaven or its members was because it was no longer necessary. The place became a non-entity in the Cooper case. Left out, left behind, all their choice. Even the Head Honcho said he didn’t care about the picture and I could basically go to hell. Well, okay. Sometimes people get what they ask for. Instead of rehashing the same old points about the flight path and the Tina Bar money, (*yawn*) you could have been active participants in the most exciting thing that’s happened in the case for the last four decades.
And Cooper Heaven was foolish enough to take a pass on all of it. (*laughs*) They would rather come after me personally, as if that would change anything. Surprise, folks. Not that many people listen to you anymore. Just your own little group, and it’s not THAT big.
2) Despite your best efforts to discredit me personally, as well as the Kenny Christiansen story…none of it worked with the people who count. That means the general public and the film producers. And the more you do it, the more I can point to that behavior, those postings…and the better we look by standing up to you.
One of the big reasons all those efforts backfired on you is because many of you hid behind phony identities…and we took our case to the public and hung our names on it. People respect that much more than anonymous attacks. This is why even though Bruce and Shutter don’t particularly like me, that I do respect them to a degree. Because they at least put their names where their mouths are. For all I know, ‘Johnnie Greene’, you could be some sixth grader from Mobile, Alabama. You are an unknown quantity, an anonymous voice in the wind. Your opinions on me bother me not in the slightest, nor do they change anything that is happening now.
That’s because you bLIEvens are a Teflon coated LIAR. If a Cooper movie comes out with your faulty narrative, then you will have succeeded in confirming that you’re a deep state operative. You dummies think that you can lie your way out of anything. I think you should go camping somewhere in the wilderness and tell all of the critters out there about what a keen person you are, that way there would be no rebuttal for you to deal with. Johnnie Greenie has you nailed!
That’s enough of the psych stuff.
You can delete both of those previous posts if you wish. I usually give as good as I get, but I think it’s time to take a break from comments to this forum. I will check back sometime in the future to see if there is anything except name calling and attacks.
I’ve also decided to NOT make public the video next week and submit it instead to the production companies and the AB Forum exclusively. If no one is interested in this information, then why should I bother providing it.
Great. How about checking back in 2071.
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Johnnie Greene says:
August 3, 2018 at 5:47 pm
Great. How about checking back in 2071.
Reply Ha, ha, ha…exactly!
I might check back prior to that date…but our new policy is to keep the AB Forum privatized and release all new information only via the avenues I described above. All your attacks accomplished was to tighten the flow of information on both the upcoming Cooper picture, and anything new we might discover along the way. I will still respond to email inquiries, and will do new articles to the Cooper WordPress, but any sensitive info will be restricted for now.
You really accomplished nothing, you know. Just at the point where I was considering opening the AB Forum to the public and releasing certain other information…you made me realize that it was too soon to even consider all that.
Responding to you is cutting into my World of Tanks time… 🙂 And it’s Friday and all.
To sum all this up in a single phrase, let me quote over Ricardo Montalban from ‘The Wrath of Khan’: “Let them eat static…”
Well, fiction is your specialty. “The wrath of bLIEvens.” Oh and Nicky, what about the rest 198 highly specialized particles, you wanna “weld” those to your story too?
This constant name calling and in-fighting regarding the Cooper case is accomplishing exactly NOTHING. There are certain facts out there in Cooperland that exist…and will CONTINUE to exist…despite any attempts to squash them. One of them is that AB of Seattle, after more than a year of dormancy in actually putting boots on the ground and exploring evidence in the case…has once again returned to new investigation.
For example, the video we’re going to shoot next week regarding the alleged twenty dollar bills found out back of KC’s house in 1998. Some of that we have turned over to the Bonney Lake (WA Police Department for verification. Some of this issue we are exploring on our own.
On the other hand, not all the news is bad. For example, I have once again started dropping by Cooper Heaven just to see what’s up. And what I find is typical discussion content, and far less personal attacks. This is encouraging, although until Shutter stops blocking all pictures and links to the public, I don’t think the site will generate a lot of public attention.
It’s the same thing at the AB Forum, though. Our place is even MORE restrictive. You can’t even see the homepage unless you are registered there. If you are wondering where all the traffic is going on the Cooper case, look no further than Tom Colbert and his Cooper site. I have actually done some analysis lately on all the sites, new books, and news links dedicated to the Cooper case and I came up with some interesting conclusions:
1) Most, if not all of the news articles lead back to Colbert, even though what he presents is extremely weak.
2) The most dedicated discussion site is Cooper Heaven, (my nickname for Shutter’s place) but it can be boring to the public because people are always pointing to this story, this link, this picture or that…but only a few people can actually see anything. But the most dedicated in-house discussion on the case exists there.
3) AB of Seattle’s Cooper traffic comes from three sources, each source listed from most to least in the amount of traffic received: The DB Cooper Info Page at our main site, the WordPress column with its 22 or so articles, and the AB Forum is a very distant third. (Because it is restricted access with only a few members) We get about a dozen email inquiries on the case in any average week.
4) Attacks and in-fighting about the Cooper case have ceased at AB of Seattle and Cooper Heaven, but was taken up again at Mountain News. The only upside is that there only a few people doing this.
5) AB of Seattle, especially staff member Greg the Techie Guy, have said that information exchange and trust between AB and Cooper Heaven would help more than it would hurt. But there has been a lot of damage done on both sides and trust seems to be farther away than ever. No matter what you have heard, no one is innocent here. Not me, not anyone at Cooper Heaven. ALL are at fault for the present situation.
6) I would enjoy nothing more than opening up additional information on what we know, (or don’t know) about certain facts in the case, but without some dialogue between AB and Cooper Heaven, this is unlikely to happen in the short term.
Source for this report: Research over the last three weeks. You should also know that a couple of new Cooper-related books have appeared at Amazon recently, and as the 50th anniversary of the hijacking approaches in 2021, the number of Cooper-type books will undoubtedly increase.
Robert, I don’t care what you do with your information, or your site. I don’t want anything to do with you…do you understand? hide what ever you need to as it’s no concern of mine. why you keep coming here is beyond me, especially when you claim to leave and post minutes to hours later. you even said it, it appears nobody cares so you will no longer post anything new..stick to that, okay? bills from the 80’s have zero bearing on the case. that’s why nobody cares. people bury money for all sorts of reasons…you are exploiting the whole thing for attention.
I have members who like the site just the way it is, so I don’t need someone who keeps failing with PUBLIC forums trying to tell me what to do. start acting your age..you attempt to scold people for things they are not interested to begin with. it’s got extremely old this tactic. hold it all back…I DON’T CARE….after reading a lot of the comments above it appears nobody cares what you do, in fact, they hope you disappear…you want everyone to CONFORM to your beliefs and it’s not going to happen, got it?
This should be enough for you to continue to insult and attack just like you say everyone does to you!! the truth is, you are one HUGE insult yourself!
Shutter
Shutter: No one asked you specifically if you cared one way or another. It was a general observation on the state of affairs in Cooperland.
You’re going off the deep end for nothing. I didn’t say ‘everyone’ was on the attack. I said ‘a few,’ and that the whole attack thing between AB and Cooper Heaven was pretty much zero except ‘a few’ folks here.
We have no ‘tactics’ going. I am not in need of attention. I already have more of that regarding the Cooper case than I can handle now. When they ask you to review the script for the first-ever movie on the case…that’s plenty.
Your post shows I was right in pretty much everything I said back there, and that my assessment on the situation was correct. Unless you saw something inaccurate? Feel free to correct me if you do.
It’s not “in fighting” as you’ve so wrongly labeled it, it called “opposition to your nonsense” Mr bLIEvens. You mentioned shutter yourself, then you try to chastise him for responding. One good thing to come from your ramblings is solid proof that you follow very closely not only my writings. but those of Nanette Barto.
Here: from Terry B B
1 second ago
Examine carefully the structure of the three examples of the word “delivery” and the words that are around each example on the so-called ransom note. The stem of the letter i’s tell the story. They show intentional murder and a direct threat towards John Ramsey. Study all of the letter i’s and compare. Note that most of the letter d’s resemble nooses, with the word “dog” showing the noose handle device as used on JonBenet. Now study the way the letter p’s were structured, they resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. These last two discoveries led me to easily decode “Victory! S.B.t.C”. This same sign-off points to a set of coordinates that fully prove the decode methodology that I used and in turn prove that the ransom note was composed far in advance of the murder. In fact, I’ve discovered several lightly coded messages on the RN. The ransom note is not simply “disguised” writing, it’s heavily encrypted writing. The Ramsey ransom note is by far one of the most sophisticated, yet simplistic documents imaginable. The message “The [Zodiac/(cross-hairs symbol)] not Speaking,” found between lines 7 and 11 is only one of several items that the author left behind to show the linkage to the Zodiac killer cases. Believe it or not, he also left direct evidence linking the DB Cooper caper documents. Bear in mind that JonBenet was strangled to death with what was essentially parachute cord.
Like it or lump it, Mr bLIEvens.
Look, folks…my main comment back there was based on a study done over the last three weeks by both myself and Greg. We used Alexa and other sources to run down traffic to Cooper-related items. That’s how we came up with the conclusions we did.
I know a select few of you would be happy if we simply ‘went away,’ but that isn’t going to happen. There are three obvious reasons. First, the book. Sure. Second, the movie. Yes. Third…we’re still not done with investigating Kenny Christiansen and company. Those are the simple facts, and like it or not, we are here to stay. You can ignore us, sure. But we’re not going away until WE decide we’re going away, and that isn’t anytime soon.
Most of our interaction with the case doesn’t come from public forums. Most comes either through email messages from the public, responses to questions on the Cooper case at Quora dot com, or presenting new evidence in the case over at our WordPress. That place gets a lot of traffic, although like our YouTube videos, all comments are moderated before being allowed to show. This is a common practice with blogs and news sites, even many YouTube accounts.
The post two steps or so above, was just what I said. A report on the current situation, internet-based, on the Cooper case.
Robert, people, including myself make the reference of “going away” is pointed towards this thread..you keep saying you are leaving but it never happens..you are FREE to do what ever you wish about Kenny. implying that we are jealous is childish and far from the truth. a lot of things you do is childish..you are no different than any other person with a suspect and “the truth” concerning DB Cooper..you all have it figured out? it gets old reading the same old crap..that’s why I stay away from suspects.
You can make all the articles you want, go on TV etc. it will not change the fact of Kenny being 5′ 8″ that will NEVER be mistaken for 6′. just like the blue eye’s you love to toss in with the people who believe Peterson is Cooper.
we WILL take you for your word of leaving us out of the big video surrounding the 1984 money 🙂 after all, it’s so huge that all the television stations are knocking at your door? they have the exact interest we do! you always talk about the truth, well?
“I’ve also decided to NOT make public the video next week and submit it instead to the production companies and the AB Forum exclusively. If no one is interested in this information, then why should I bother providing it.”
will this only be this week, or is it more lies like not posting here anymore..you have said that at least a dozen times.
carry on 🙂
Are you saying I should make the upcoming video on the money find public? Sounds like it to me.
Okay…I will take that as a challenge and make it public at YouTube then. As far as the TV stations, why would I bother contacting them prior to actually shooting the video? I’m not looking for attention or TV coverage, Shutter. I’m looking for the truth. The movie will be coverage enough. I’ve even taken to turning down interviews now.
Your argument against KC, using the official witness descriptions, is noted. We’ve been down that road many times. Our evidence shows Kenny and Bernie to be very good suspects in the Cooper caper. I have to admit it helped when Bernie’s family got involved, but then…he shouldn’t have fed a load of BS to the Decoded cast and then let his family see it all. It’s not a certainty yet, but we’re closing in. I’m okay with your opinion on the whole thing, though. Kenny is a polarizing suspect. Either people believe strongly he was the hijacker, or they absolutely reject him. Trust me, you aren’t the first to have that opinion. Nor will you be the last. But your opinion is not the ONLY opinion regarding KC and Bernie Geestman.
Robert, I never implied that for a second…do you really read into things that bad, or just trying to continue the drama….amazing..
do exactly as you say and keep the video private….is that clear enough?
Blevins, since no one believes anything you say anymore, could you just post a copy of your “contract with two film companies.” Post the contracts right here on Uncle Bruce’s site. Show us the six figures that you so claim. You can redact the name of the companies. Just show us the truth, Mr. Shameless.
Blevins, since no one believes anything you say anymore, could you just post a copy of your “contract with two film companies.” Post the contracts right here on Uncle Bruce’s site. Show us the six figures that you so claim. You can redact the name of the companies. Just show us the truth, Mr. Shameless.
Shutter says in part:
“do exactly as you say and keep the video private….is that clear enough?”
Why you felt compelled to come here and complain about me for the whatever number time, when you have your own Cooper website to attend to, is beyond my understanding. No>>>I think I will make the video public, after all. What are you worried about? Afraid people might make the connection that Kenny had not just one spot for hiding money at his place, but two? And that both had similar methods of construction? We’re going to use Fair Use snippets from the Decoded episode in the video, to demonstrate a point.
You don’t address suspects you say? Your whole website is about suspects, as well as evidence in the Cooper case. You have a page named Suspects there, especially created to refute just one and ONLY one suspect, Kenny Christiansen. Who are you trying to fool here? 🙂
I will answer the question on why you drop by here occasionally to Bruce’s site. Because it’s drawing traffic away from your place. I won’t go into the reasons why, but I believe that is the case. I can’t think of any other reason, since no one at AB is talking badly about Cooper Heaven. But we are a bit of a threat to you. And what I mean by that is you have invested many comments, a section of a website, and comments at other places on the internet absolutely rejecting Christiansen. Okay, fine. You have a right to those opinions, those posts. But both of us know that you would have to eat crow galore if it turned out we were right about him. So in that context we are a threat to you. You would look very bad and would have to do some serious back-pedaling. But that’s the risk you take when you deal in absolutes.
As far as posting up a redacted copy of the contract, the next thing you know it would copy/pasted, posted all over the place, and then the production companies would be sending me a very angry email, followed by a what-the-hell-do-you-think-you’re-doing phone call. Besides, it wouldn’t prove a thing. I could just download a standard media contract, fill in the numbers for you anyway I wished, and post it up. It really doesn’t matter anyway. I only get paid beyond the option money IF and ONLY IF>>>>they get to First Day of Production Shooting, which is more or less a legal term in film contracts. However, as time goes by and they put additional money into the project, I think chances are very good they will end up shooting the picture. They’ve already spent a pretty fair amount of money.
It’s been decided. We will make the video public. We will leave the AB Forum private for now. We’ve made all the videos public to date, so why change up that policy now?
You mean the film companies don’t already know about your reputation around here?
What reputation? That I don’t claim perfection but try to give it to people straight whenever I can? I would say yes. I direct them to pretty much everything I post on the internet. It’s a few folks out there in Cooperland who (in my humble opinion) haven’t the sense God gave a goat. As far as those folk, “I Should Have Known Better With a Group Like You…” Just saying. I have cameras to charge, a chicken to BBQ, and not long to prepare for the video shoot. I know you are all looking forward to seeing the results, as well as pictures and a report from the Bonney Lake PD on the money find.
*Let’s see just how interested you REALLY are in the Cooper case.* Post up something negative, something using name-calling, and we will see whether I restrict our results to current members at the AB Forum and the production companies. Or, I might make it public anyway and pull the covers from a few folk along the way. I’m totally nuts, a renegade for sure. 🙂
Don’t tempt me. Truth just IS. It does nothing else. It serves no other function.
Kenny resurfaced the counter..he didn’t remove any of the wood..the wood from the counter got up in the attic after the demolition of the inside. he would of used the old pieces if that was the case.
the video response was made due to the lack of being able to keep your word. that falls under your little trust issue you whine about..
“Why you felt compelled to come here and complain about me for the whatever number time, when you have your own Cooper website”
don’t you have a website and wordpress? you have been complaining about me on this site for over a year before I ever posted here?
this is not a competition for me Robert, it is for you..people have to believe Kenny could be Cooper to follow you..zero threat to me…this is a hobby for me. I don’t even post very much due to my work load and other things in my life that are more important than DB Cooper.
Robert, that is a cop out concerning the contract. I have no reason to post it anywhere nor does anyone else..who do you think you are, “the most interesting man in the world” I believe you were approached over a year and a half ago but not so sure how far it went. Skipp’s son told me you contacted them about the movie over a year ago..no follow ups and he was taking care of Skipp the last two years of his life living there..something is wrong somewhere I can tell you that.
you have sent them links to these places and they would already know you have been shooting off at the mouth about them anyway..showing a contract without there names is the best “put up or shut up” thing you can do to resolve the problem. I could care less one way or the other it’s someone else calling you to the table. if the movie does get made you should do the right thing and give minimum of 35% to the Porteous family..if it wasn’t for Skipp you wouldn’t be here in the first place!
how about those records concerning the house. you had numbers to followup on, and were going to locate Mitchell? both have been on the table with you for YEARS…you have been extremely LAZY with finding the truth pal..plenty of time to film money from 1984 though 🙂
How about another 35% to Lyle Christianson. He’s Ken’s younger brother who said the entire story is made-up. Then Blevins can keep 30% and use it (ahhhhm, sorry Bruce) for therapy.
he admitted on a radio program with Dave Fitzsimmons that Kenny was probably not the hijacker but looked like him..his big deal was to get a movie made about his brother being DB Cooper and the rest is history…
You are full of excuses, that’s for sure..
you better get moving, Reca will soon be returning along with Rackstraw..both have things in the making and NOT years down the road with no milking required. 🙂 they just do it!!!!
Get’er done 🙂
I can see from your comments (Shutter) that you are woefully uninformed about a great many things. Yes, there is an arrangement with Skipp’s family, as well as Kenny’s, but frankly that isn’t any of your business. I will address the one thing you said here though:
“Kenny resurfaced the counter..he didn’t remove any of the wood..the wood from the counter got up in the attic after the demolition of the inside. he would of used the old pieces if that was the case…”
Wrong. Dawn Androsko, and others, have testified that Kenny tore out the countertops and replaced them shortly after moving into the home.
I contacted Lyle and some members of his family long ago regarding Lyle’s alleged radio interview. Everyone denied such an interview happened. And when I look at the total amount of cooperation on the part of that family, i.e. dozens of letters, scores of pictures, free answering of every possible question regarding Kenny’s life that I have asked them…NONE of which even hints that Lyle thought Kenny wasn’t the guy..your claim (and DF’s) makes absolutely no sense. You make a radio claim that no one can prove. I have a boatload of material from the family and full cooperation over a period of years. Last time I talked to Lyle was less than a month ago.
And no…I’m not so foolish as to post up a contract with a film company, redacted or not, when they have me under a confidentiality agreement. I don’t owe you or your friends a thing. However, there is plenty of material available on what we’re doing. All you have to do is look at the more than twenty illustrated articles (that means ‘with pictures and documents’) over at WordPress. 🙂
Georger contacted Fitzsimmons and confirmed the interview in 2007. You’ve been chasing after a made-up story for over a decade and still don’t have enough common sense to quit. Lying for life must be your mantra. Can’t make a decent living at this, so you force Gayla into slave labor cleaning toilets so you can monitor Cooper sites 24/7? Mutherfucker, prickface, or wackocrumb. Could be all three.
I have an email from Fitzsimmons stating exactly what I said earlier…Lyle said he looked like the hijacker but probably wasn’t….I can post the email to the detractors and those who deny the truth 🙂 it’s been posted several times…
Wow…when logic doesn’t work, you pull out the dirty trick bag. When the dirty tricks don’t get results, you resort to names. No wonder you all got blown off, left out, and ignored by everyone who counts.
Warnings have been sent today to both the Christiansen and Porteous families. With details. And quotes.
I can’t believe you are asking questions now, making demands, wanting to know what WE know and what you DON’T know. But don’t you think it’s a little late for that? I tried to include you all for almost a year and got nowhere. Now you’re running scared and are down to just calling me names. I gave you all plenty of chances for inclusion. You rejected every single attempt I made. And now you’re starting to figure out I gave it straight to you all along and (unlike you) put my name behind it all. Now you want to know everything.
Not happening. That door was closed long ago. Live with it. 🙂
“Georger contacted Fitzsimmons and confirmed the interview in 2007.”
Georger? Same guy who has posted up hundreds of insults to practically everyone who has ever looked into the Cooper case? Even going after people like Geoff Gray and the Citizen Sleuths? THAT Georger?
Don’t make me laugh. I wouldn’t take Georger’s word that day is light and night is dark. He’s still going after people, even today. I talked to Lyle and his family about this. You talked to Georger. I believe Lyle and his family, since they have fully cooperated with us for years. I once asked to hear a recording of this so-called interview and no one could produce a thing. I will go with the family’s version of events, thank you.
And by the way…Adventure Books wasn’t even involved in the investigation in 2007. We didn’t contact Skipp Porteous and his PI service until the FOLLOWING year. 🙂
it makes no sense to put the new formica on and rip it off lol…if he did take the old countertop off that’s what should be in the attic but that’s not the case…it’s the new formica…it easily explained by the whole house being completely ripped out and starting over long after honest Kenny was around…
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n Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:00 PM, Mike Fitzsimmons wrote:
Hello Dave:
I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.
Mike Fitzsimmons
I will try to be brief in my responses, and the only reason I’m bothering is because at least you (Shutter) are a known quantity.
Countertops: Wood and formica removed together in 1972. New countertop installed, similar in color to the original. The countertop piece found by the Decoded crew is in my possession, as you know. I let an experienced installation company examine it. They said both the wood and formica was at least forty years old, perhaps older. Several witnesses, including Bernie’s sister Dawn Androsko testified that the entire countertop area was removed by Christiansen shortly after moving into the home.
Radio Interview: Even if this is true, it means zero. First, except for some initial inquiries by Skipp Porteous in mid-2007, no one at that time knew Bernie Geestman and company even existed. Adventure Books did not begin their investigation until after we contacted Porteous, and that was roughly October 2008 the first time, with no real investigation beginning until early 2009. So…even if Lyle said such things, they mean nothing. He never claimed he knew his brother was Cooper, he only suspected it.
Later, when we started giving both he and Skipp Porteous our interview results and our early findings on our investigation, both Porteous and Christiansen’s family began to suspect we might be onto something. You are talking about a time very early on in the KC saga, the early point when Lyle was sending letters to Nora Ephron with his suspicions. Into The Blast was a couple of years down the road. And as it turns out, Lyle was right. Kenny’s story will make a very good movie.
I have to warn you that we have copied over some of the comments that we’ve seen lately on this site and forwarded them to both the Christiansen and Porteous families. I asked them personally not to respond to any more unofficial inquiries, unless they come from a legitimate media source. I also gave them your names, usernames, etc. Mark Porteous was particularly unhappy with what he saw today. I have not yet received a response from the Christiansen family, but I’m sure I will. You should also know that members of BOTH these families are Facebook friends with me, and we are in contact regularly.
I don’t care what you say about the “family” I commented on what he said…they don’t like it, hat’s there problem…nothing bad was said…rant away 🙂
Oh…plenty bad was said. And before it was deleted from this site…it was shared to Facebook at three different locations, as well as sent directly to both the Porteous and Christiansen families. Since some of these comments come from members of your own forum, well…you can figure out the rest.
not by me it wasn’t….
what members were here?
Not you. I will give it to you that you mostly avoid the name calling routine. Specific members? How would I know that? I can’t see your member list, so I have to go on what they say, whether they obviously support your site. It seems to be a mutual support thing between you and some of your members. None of this really matters, because we (AB of Seattle) already have more than fifty screenshots with similar comments…so many of them in fact…that you once put out a Final Notice for it to stop. Obviously, that hasn’t worked.
I will give it to you that as of now…I haven’t seen this stuff lately at your place. You and yours just do it here.
This whole thing is senseless anyway. What is the point? it isn’t going to change anything, or stop the picture from being made. The negativity and attacks just alienate certain families, as well as the public. Tell me where any of this does any good, or forwards any agenda?
Look…I will release the money find video later this week at YouTube and you can judge for yourself whether its valid. Going after it in advance makes no sense. You haven’t even seen it yet. Tuesday morning I’m speaking to the Bonney Lake PD in person to see what they found. After that, I will edit the video properly and make what’s presented as accurate as possible.
if you don’t know who they were then don’t LIE and say they came from my forum.
Some of the people who exhibit the worst behaviors here obviously hang out at your website as well, Shutter. I understand you can’t control that, but neither did I drop off the apple cart last Tuesday. 🙂
look at the trouble you cause here? nobody has said anything positive about you?
“look at the trouble you cause here? nobody has said anything positive about you?”
This includes the owner of this thread!
Robert, the video doesn’t help anything…the money is from the mid 80’s…it’s not relevant to the Cooper case..why do I want to see it? check the serial numbers, see if the flight crew can ID the bills? if I find money on Tena bar can I say the hijacker dropped it?
I say plainly that the money is NOT from the hijacking ransom. That really isn’t the point. The point consists of two things. First, it verifies that nagging urban rumor that was going around for years that a bag of twenties was found buried out back of Kenny’s house after he died. Second, that the construction of the burial spot was similar in nature to the one found by the Decoded cast in Kenny’s attic. Since Kenny was alive in 1984-85, and owned that property at that time, it isn’t a stretch to say he was the one who planted it there. One hiding spot in the house you could dismiss. Two, and built basically the same way…with actual MONEY in it this time…goes beyond coincidence. Yes, we have pictures of the money at the time it was found. And yes, you will get to hear from the guy who helped find it. And hopefully we will hear what the Bonney Lake PD says about all of this.
Our theory is that it was part of the ransom take, and laundered. And that Kenny buried it out back as a bug-out kind of thing perhaps. And then…he forgot where he buried it. That’s our theory so far until we know more.
2011
Having been a contractor for over 25 years I have headed off many ceiling joist for owners and subcontractors that were later never used.
Among some of the uses would be return air for a/c…convective air vent..skylight…some type of equipment support…support for a light…a smoke alarm…I’ve even put in blocks like that for swinging chairs in ceilings…use your imagination on that one…many were never used in the final design. As far as the cover…that may for cutting it out from down below with a sawzall without having the insulation falling into the living space. The counter top piece was probably from a sink cutout that we routinely just threw away which had no other use.
I actually laughed my ass off at that part of the TV presentation.
Don’t think it was a hiding place by any means I’ve seen hundreds of blocks with scrap over them like that over the years…just extra work for nothing.
Kinda reminds me of that scammy live show Geraldo Rivera hosted where they were going to open a safe recovered from the Titanic wreck. Turns out there were National Geographic? photos of the same safe on the bottom of the ocean with the back totally rusted out. They only showed the front on Geraldo’s TV show. They had the safe in a tank with live sharks. A real “show”.
My crow is cackling and cawing. He’s been around construction and remodeling too. The carpenters toss him food from their lunch pails. He gets nothing when he hangs out near law offces. He knows what a crawl board is.
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You want to do something productive? take video of the attic..all around the area and the whole attic floor itself..move the insulation around showing no other cross members. show the two that make the box and measure it..nail marks etc..that’s being productive…
“I contacted Lyle and some members of his family long ago regarding Lyle’s alleged radio interview. Everyone denied such an interview happened.”
we now have more liars in the KC saga…Fitzsimmons has no reason to lie about years later, or soon after the interview..you exposed more people willing to cover things up vs telling it straight!
Thanks for clearing this up…
Lyle is a retired postal worker. He made up the whole story in 2007. Why didn’t he come out and tell his made-up story in 1981, or in 1990, 1999, 2003? Because the story hadn’t yet developed in his head. He invented the story in 2007 and got Skipp Porteous to find the film producer and then find Geoff Gray. Today, in 2018, some of the originals in this fabrication are dead, others are old with dementia, and still others have backed away completely from Lyle’s story. But Robert Blevins is still here, advancing fantasy and bullshit. What does that tell you about the story? What does that tell you about Robert Blevins?
Lyle is a retired postal worker. He made up the whole story in 2007. Why didn’t he come out and tell his made-up story in 1981, or in 1990, 1999, 2003? Because the story hadn’t yet developed in his head. He invented the story in 2007 and got Skipp Porteous to find the film producer and then find Geoff Gray. Today, in 2018, some of the originals in this fabrication are dead, others are old with dementia, and still others have backed away completely from Lyle’s story. But Robert Blevins is still here, advancing fantasy and bullshit. What does that tell you about the story? What does that tell you about Robert Blevins?
You sure make a lot of speculations regarding the attic find. Everyone who had the nerve to crawl into the attic that afternoon saw what was there, including myself and now-judge Scott Rolle. You want to call the judge a liar on what he saw? He’s on Facebook, go right ahead and see what he says about that.
Off camera, and later when I returned to the house, I saw the cross pieces nailed just as Rolle said. But I had already seen them, and was really there to recover the countertop piece. You don’t believe anybody about anything regarding KC, the TV show, whatever. There is no dealing with someone who starts out with an attitude like that. Christine McKinley, the engineer, Scott Rolle, a former State prosecutor and now a judge in Maryland, and Buddy Levy, an award-winning, multi-published author and a Professor at Washington State University. All of them have character beyond reproach. And you think they lied on the show? Why don’t you contact them and ask them about it? Go to the source, I always say. Rolle’s comments on the show when he discovered the box are on record, and since he was the first one in the attic, when he came back down he told us exactly what he saw. And that is exactly what I said about it.
There was no other access to Kenny’s attic from the house, other than the attic vent on the side of the house. Now why would someone go up there and build that? Right above Kenny’s old bedroom, no less?
And there is something else here. Back in 2011 when the Decoded show first aired, all three cast members concluded that Kenny was probably the hijacker, but that Geestman didn’t assist him. Later, when they got copies of the report we sent to the Seattle FBI, they changed their minds. I have their messages about this. Rolle and Levy especially, are convinced Kenny was Cooper and that Geestman DID help him.
As far as the radio interview, who knows? A 2007 radio interview (maybe) where Lyle says he isn’t sure his brother is the hijacker? Maybe if he said that…it was because (wait for it now) he wasn’t sure his brother was the hijacker at that time. It was nearly 18 months later that any real investigation into Kenny actually began, although Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous did do some initial work on it. But it was AB of Seattle who starting hitting the bricks and actually interviewing people Kenny knew on a more personal level. People who might hold the keys to the truth. Both the Decoded show and Blast were into the future. It makes sense that Lyle *might* tell some radio guy that he wasn’t sure on Kenny. How could he be sure? No one was sure at that time, and I hadn’t even heard of Skipp, or Lyle, or Decoded way back then. I can tell you what Lyle says today, which is more interesting. He is positive now it was Kenny. I am about 95% there myself, but then I know things even Lyle doesn’t know. Those things are between AB staff and the movie companies.
Your thoughts and opinions on Kenny as Cooper are well known. And there are a few things that we know that you DON’T know. Those mostly come from Geestman’s own family, and are being saved for the movie. Or haven’t you noticed that we haven’t released any new evidence that involves that family for almost two years now…ever since we signed the option agreement. The money find doesn’t count. That is linked to a previous find, i.e. the attic…so it is allowed.
Right now I am printing up some still shots for the video. I’m sure you will find it interesting, although you would probably say Kyle’s just some guy who is lying. In your world, anything said about Kenny or our work on the Cooper case in general is a lie. Just keep going with that and see how far you get with it. 🙂 I would say…not that far.
to sum up your novel…..
talk is cheap..you are going to be there so why not get coverage of the spot and entire attic…that’s how you investigate things by the way…
EDIT: There is a basic problem here. Your opinions and comments regarding KC, Geestman, their families, etc come from a very slanted viewpoint.
Bottom Line is This: Everyone understands that because of the amount of effort and posting, non-inclusion, attack support, and all the other rigamarole you’ve been involved in regarding Kenny’s guilt or innocence…that you have a great deal to lose if it is discovered Kenny and Bernie were actually the perps.
Come on…you went much farther with that than most other folks would have done. So now you are sort of stuck with that. Our view is you would say anything, do *almost* anything, etc to avoid being wrong. WE know this. YOU know this.
So there’s really no way to reconcile anything here. The only solution I could come up with was to privatize the AB Forum, and then restrict the flow of certain sensitive information, and then let the movie do the talking for us. Let the public decide, in other words. A few members at some internet forum? I don’t think so. You have a right to those opinions, but we also know slanted when we see it. Trouble is, people other than your small group are starting not only to listen to us, but to see it our way, rather than yours.
Those are the folks we’re trying to reach, not you and a few members. And so far we have had great success at that.
There is no way to settle all this. Even if I presented or posted the things you ask, you would just find ways to go into denial, or pick holes. Everything is a lie according to you. There is no dealing with that attitude.
You want me to bail from this site for a while, maybe because it’s sucking traffic from Cooper Heaven? Why should I do that? I never was one to take stuff lying down, Shutter. If you thought that was the case, you don’t know me at all. You even went after things that happened in my personal life long before I ever got involved in Cooperland. Like I said, there’s no dealing with someone like that.
Uh, huh. Let me know when you identify a single victim or a single witness. We have a few, some of whom actually LIVED with Christiansen, who would dispute your allegation. Meanwhile, since I have to assume most of you posting here have at one time, or are NOW, members of Cooper Heaven, you are now getting the attention you deserve at Facebook, Twitter, etc.
I would not call it ‘good’ attention. I also wouldn’t keep your nose in the gutter for too long. A lot of cities and towns have ‘Curb Your Dog’ laws and it can get pretty smelly down there. If you are trying to offer support to Shutter and his views on KC, you are doing a piss poor job of it.
I expect Bruce will probably delete BOTH our posts. The stuff you post lately makes him look bad as well, and is embarrassing to him I’m sure. People like you make me glad I review all comments to our WordPress Cooper and our YouTube videos. LOL…that is for sure. 🙂
Right…let us know when you discover a single witness or a single victim to support your allegation. Christiansen was actually a purser for the airline, not a male stewardess. You are obviously scrabbling around in the gutter because you have nothing else to offer. Kenneth McWilliams, aka ‘Mac,’ was a young guy who lived with KC for years, and was left the lot out back of Kenny’s house after Kenny died. He has asserted that no such behavior ever went on at the house, although he does say Kenny had relationships with other men, mostly old Army buddies he had served with.
You see, ‘Johnnie Greene,’ that was one of the first things we checked out regarding Christiansen.
You, on the other hand, obviously have a problem with the LGBT crowd. That is a personal problem on your part, and just shows you are prejudiced against these folk.
No, I have a problem with your story. Your untrue story. No political diversions, Mr. Blevins. We all know how dishonest you are. Please produce an affidavit of “Mac” showing that he had no relationship with KC. Show us a contract with movie producers. Show us the deed of trust or the financial instrument used by Christianson to purchase the Bonney property. You can’t, because you know your story is bullshit. It’s all BULLSHIT!
Define ‘WE’. As in ‘we all know’. Start with that. Haters like you aren’t worth the time, especially when they hide behind anonymity there, ‘Johnnie’.
The only reason I even answered your posts is because I’m up late scanning and printing still shots for the upcoming video. Otherwise I wouldn’t give you the time of day. 🙂
Understand something here. I am more used to answering INTELLIGENT questions in a reasonably INTELLIGENT manner. Mostly, anyway. Like when I recently answered a question at Quora about what would happen if everyone with weapons suddenly rose up against the US government. This was my answer:
“There are two considerations here. First, it is against the law to espouse the overthrow of the U.S. government. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385)(US Code, Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 115 – 2385) Most views are covered under our First Amendment. That is not one of them.
Second, we’re already had one civil war which left behind grudges, hatred, and negative effects that are still felt today, more than a hundred and fifty years after it ended. Would our nation want to go through that again, fighting among ourselves to the delight of our enemies?
On a purely hypothetical basis though, what WOULD happen if most gun owners decided to rebel against the Federal government? This event would create more misery and problems than it would ever hope to solve:
* Social services would break down in a very short time and most Federal programs would end. This would leave millions of senior citizens and the disabled without medical care or an income, and that’s just a start.
* Since the government would now be spending most of its military resources fighting its own citizenry, we would be vulnerable to attack from other nations.
* In an attempt to stop such a rebellion, the government would declare martial law and attempt to nationalize food, (especially in major urban areas) fuel, medical facilities, all major highways, railroads, airports, etc. The list is practically endless. In other words, the government, faced with such a massive rebellion, would initially use the military to control the RESOURCES, rather than putting down rebellion on a local basis.
* Within weeks, the entire economy of the United States would suffer a crash far worse than the Great Depression.
* Americans would die on a very large scale, although I doubt even the government would resort to using nuclear weapons over U.S. soil. Still, the death toll would be tremendous, and refugee families numbering in the millions would soon be the norm.
* Food supplies to many areas would be interrupted or ended because of such a rebellion. Within a few months starvation would begin to affect millions of American families.
* The breakup of the United States would soon follow, as the government found itself with a choice of either putting down such a rebellion by force, or allowing certain states to break away from the Union. The next thing you know, the world will be calling us Russia – at the time of the breakup of the Soviet Union.
There are many other factors I could mention, but the bottom line is that none of what would happen could be considered ‘good’.** America is a proud nation built on laws, and has been for almost 250 years. Our system has never been perfect, but the alternative would be far worse. Even considering such an idea like ‘everyone with guns just rising up against the government,’ (in this writer’s humble opinion) is a ‘solution’ far worse than any possible problems we might have right now…”
Questions posed by REAL people…with REAL identities. I’m sure that’s a concept you haven’t yet discovered. 🙂
My apologies the Cornell Law link didn’t work, but that was copy/paste glitch. My original answer at Quora leads right to it.
Bruce, a guy who must nearly infinite patience to allow some of the posts that appear here, should simply delete this whole series of postings. If I were in his place, I certainly would. 🙂
Johnnie, most of your recent posts have been scrubbed. Remember, you can NOT claim that someone is a criminal here unless you provide proof of conviction.
Brother, if I were you I would just scrub the entire series of posts, including my long-winded answer to the Quora question. I think YOU should join Quora as well, and answer questions from legit folks. One thing that works about that place is anyone who asks a question, or poses a question to you personally is not anonymous, and must fill out a personal questionnaire before being allowed to post or answer questions. This system they have works very well. Some famous folk post there, such as sci-fi guy Orson Scott Card and many others. Even Hillary Clinton was a member there for a while. Nearly 700,000 views to my answers there can’t be wrong. Many are on the Cooper case.
Either that, or you should establish your own Cooper forum and cut through the BS and the hate. Maybe do both. 🙂
“Define ‘WE’. As in ‘we all know’. Start with that. Haters like you aren’t worth the time, especially when they hide behind anonymity there, ‘Johnnie’.”
Usernames are done for a reason. some people don’t want to include sensitive information. Mr. Greene doesn’t post any evidence or operate any type of website forum that would give reason to expose who he is…all he is doing is commenting on a thread. it’s really none of your business who he is…the second someone disagree’s they are haters. no, I have no idea who he is and he’s not from my forum…
I don’t want you to bail from anywhere just stop lying by saying you are leaving, or not posting anything new, or opening or closing your forum etc. etc. grow up and act your age…it’s childish to do these things …serves no purpose what so ever..you do everything you oppose. I’ve never seen someone act the way you do, especially at your fragile age 🙂
seven comments in a row, really? that is a record..
Bruce, Ken Christianson is long dead. There are no defamation charges by dead individuals. But to get to your point, i am not the one to advance the pedophilia claims against Christianson. That was done long ago by Geoff Gray. His original writings in the New York Magazine implicitly told of the proclivities of Mr. Christianson. You don’t have to be Einstein to grasp the true meaning of Gray’s research into
Christianspon’s background. The hallmarks of his behavior speak for him, loudly. Skipp Porteous knew this too, and it made Skipp uncomfortable. No film crew is ever going to make a movie about DB Cooper the pedophile. Blevins is just praying that the film crew won’t view your site, Bruce. This scares the he ll out of Blevins and he wants you yo cover up the truth. This is Blevins style. We all know how he operates, but the truth is going to win out on this topic, thanks to your truth site, that Blevins hates.
Johnnie, I insist on basic journalistic standards here. That means no one can state that an individual is a criminal without concrete proof. Thus, I do not allow posters to claim that Klansnic is DB Cooper, nor will I allow anyone to state that Kenny Christiansen was a pedophile.
What you can say, and what I write in my book, is that Kenny practiced very troubling behaviors with at-risk youth, and that upon close examination his actions resembled the grooming strategies of a sexual predator, ie: treating the youth to dinners in restaurants, gifted them with fancy treats from the Orient, etc. In my book I further state that the writings of RMB and GG do confirm these behaviors on the part of KC.
brucesmith49 says:
August 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Johnnie, I insist on basic journalistic standards here. That means no one can state that an individual is a criminal without concrete proof. Thus, I do not allow posters to claim that Klansnic is DB Cooper, nor will I allow anyone to state that Kenny Christiansen was a pedophile.
What you can say, and what I write in my book, is that Kenny practiced very troubling behaviors with at-risk youth, and that upon close examination his actions resembled the grooming strategies of a sexual predator, ie: treating the youth to dinners in restaurants, gifted them with fancy treats from the Orient, etc. In my book I further state that the writings of RMB and GG do confirm these behaviors on the part of KC.
Terry states: So why is it unacceptable for posters to say “Klansnic is DB cooper,” yet bLIEvens continues with the Kenny C was Cooper crapola???
Johnnie Greenie, also note the long winded tirade that bLIEvens went off on about people carrying weapons to “protect themselves against a tyrannical government” (my words and the gist of why we have the right to bear arms), then he urged Bruce to take that posting down. That tirade speaks volumes about bLIEvens and his orientation and how he tries to steer a scenario. Here’s a scenario that makes more overall sense to me: Let’s say that certain members of society suddenly realize that the Deep State/fake news people are the real problem and not necessarily the US Government in general. Let say they identify the key members of this same network of very vicious evil doers. They’ve realized that these same people own, run and control CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN (no surprise there!) Time Magazine, People Magazine etc.,etc.,…just to name a few of the many. So in other words the Deep State has a monopoly on the MSM and they can basically control the minds of the masses with subliminal lies, followed by a “fear factor” too.
Then these same people operate most of the big corporations. They impose “Right to Work Laws” which undermine the skilled workers and give their jobs to undocumented workers. Meanwhile the movers and shakers like the Clinton’s bank role millions of dollars, Comey too, etc, etc. So how do these people control things? With a “pedophile entrapment network(like Pizzagate),” hence all of the little kids that go missing and never again seen by their parents. Of course, if you’re gonna “own, run, and control” everything, you’re gonna need stooges that you have control over. Then comes a fellow like John Ramsey, a self-made millionaire, a billion dollars in sales in 1996, ripe for the picking….and a very attractive little daughter that all of your pedophilia operative fiends covet! But twenty years after the crime, the false narrative crumbles, so these same fiends invent “The Case Of JonBenet Ramsey.” Complete with an incredible number of lies, well, at least they got some of the names right. But wait….they don’t fool everybody with this ploy. So, instead of taking it out on everybody, the armed faction decides to do some surgical removal of people on their “Little List.” BTW, the Zodiac killer boasted “I have a little list.” Hence the phony clamor by the fake left to impose more “gun control” as a solution to the murders that they themselves ordered in the first place!!!
People vehemently opposed the Vietnam war and it didn’t cause the country to fall apart. But with the “fake news” people running the MSM, what kind shit can the evil doers pull unopposed?..Benghazi? Vince Foster’s rigged suicide? Seth Rich gunned down? Sell key things to foreign enemy powers, yet claim that somehow the new president almost single-handedly rigged the last election? And, a president that got the votes from farmers and laborers too!!
There were other comments there, Shutter. They were deleted by Bruce. Made by your friend Johnnie. You want to talk about age? How about you and I take a hike to the top of Mount Rainier? You would fall to the wayside before you reached halfway to Camp Muir, and I would probably have to call the rangers for you. 🙂
Childish behavior is creating a dancing cutie icon on a website that says ‘Suspects’. Or maybe taking the time to create and foster the biggest site on DB Cooper…and then take a pass on the biggest thing that’s ever…or probably ever WILL happen…in the case. And do that based on emotional issues. I would call THAT childish.
Ken Christianson was not DB Cooper. Only Robert Blevins believes this falsehood, so he can profit from a lie. The truth is Ken Christianson cruised for, and groomed young boys. That’s the Ken Christianson story. An utterly unremarkable man. The truth usually comes out in the end, just like it did for Judge Roy Moore.
This begs the question: WHY does the word PEDOPHILIA frighten Robert Blevins so much? Blevins BEGS Bruce to scrub the references to PEDOPHILIA. Inquiring minds would like to know…..
how is Johnnie my friend? all of this has been created due to you, not me or Johnnie, or Bruce, Cindy or Sam…is this where I can say you don’t know me nor have you ever met me?
I’m not sold that Kenny did anything wrong..it appears to have disturbed the small town he was hiding in though 🙂 that would be the last thing to do if you were trying to keep a low profile..good intentions or not…it made people talk, and still talking about it decades later..
go around the internet and you will find Robert blasting Rackstraw and others but calls everyone haters who does what he does when it turns his way 🙂 he HATES others getting attention..a lot!
he reminds me of the kid who will tell the teacher who took the chalk from the board while she was away..my daddy will beat up your daddy etc. etc. then he thinks he can scold people by not producing anything new or closing you out like we are on the edge of our seats waiting for updates 🙂
and lets not forget he will tell you exactly what you do and say and turn around and tell you that you don’t know him or have never met him when he is confronted, but he knows all about you? it’s all deflection..
He blasted me thinking I allowed Nicky back on the forum and several days later Nicky asked to join his forum and he says “sure” ?????
The real enemy of Robert Blevins is none other than one Robert Blevins
Agree with Shutter. And, I defer to Bruce Smith’s editorial standards, as this IS Bruce’s site. So again, I apologize to Bruce for skirting his policies. But it is ever so apparent that Robert Blevins cannot stand this kind of scrutiny on his suspect. We all know that Ken Christianson had questionable practices with young boys and teen boys. Skipp Porteous definitely knew this too. How do you think Geoff Gray was able to incorporate this info into his narrative. It became a big deal for Gray. “DB Cooper was Ken Christianson? Well, maybe. But more importantly, he liked young runaway boyz.” THAT part of the story is included primarily so that the reader has something else to think about. It was Gray’s method of introducing a new suspect, but at the same time, watering down the credibility of that suspect due to a question of behavior and character. Gray never believed that KC was Cooper. It was just an avenue to get into the Cooper saga. Porteous didn’t believe it in the end either. That’s why he never met, maybe refused to meet, Blevins.
Go back and reread the original article about KC in the NY magazine. A spade is a spade is a spade. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…………it’s a ……..
Bruce certainly has the prerogative to edit, sanitize, and delete anything he feels is necessary in his site. Bruce’s site gets a lot of views now. But lets end this entire lengthy episode now and call out Blevins for what he is trying to do. He uses Bruce’s site to promote his book and his fairy tale, and tries to get in the last word. Blevins is banned elsewhere, but Bruce lets him quack. Blevins has nothing else to do. Quack, quack, quack.
The FBI ruled out KC years ago. Lyle Christianson wanted a movie. Skipp Portoeus wanted to get away from Blevins. Blevins book was a flop.
PASSAGE SCRUBBED AS PER MN STANDARDS CITED ABOVE.
These are the real facts that Blevins tries to cover up. If it wasn’ t for Bruce’s site, the truth wouldn’t get out there and Blevins would be roaming around on the internet looking for drop-in opportunites anywhere he can find them. That’s what internet predators do. This site isn’t Blevin’s home. We aren’t going away either. The film producers will see this site, as will many others. They will eventually understand the truth about KC.
Watch it Johnnie. Your commentary on Kenny’s lifestyle is right on the edge of unacceptable. I had to scrub some of the above. Enough with the innuendos, enough with the pedophilia stuff. Get back to Cooper.
You two are SO full of misconceptions and mistakes regarding Kenny that I hardly know where to begin. So I mostly won’t respond. But here are (yeah, I know you have trouble with these regarding Kenny) the FACTS:
The first guy to investigate KC was Geoff Gray. We both interviewed Kenneth McWilliams at different times, with Gray doing it first. Mac said Kenny had relationships, yes. With grown men, not boys. Mac should know…he lived with Kenny for years and was with him when he died.
Neighbors I could locate who I interviewed about Kenny: Absolutely nothing bad said about him by anyone. Not the slightest reference that he had inappropriate relationships with underage youth. Not a whisper, not a hint, not a thing. Tell me when you dig up even a single witness or a victim to such a thing. And as I’ve pointed out previously, most child molesters of boys are married men, heterosexual in orientation. That is a fact. So you can stick your hateful, old-lady gossip where the sun don’t shine. Which is exactly where it belongs. No wonder the media wants little or nothing to do to you anymore. After the movie comes out, you can bitch to the producers with your false allegations…see how far you get with that. 🙂
The truth is that some of you are so furious we got the movie deal that you would stoop to telling the most terrible lies about Kenny to forward your frankly sick agenda. The production company execs are very hip to all your posts and tactics. I keep them informed. Because of your latest posts, I have created a PDF dedicated especially to you, which I am sending them this week. It’s over fifty pages of screenshots showing the most hateful junk it’s ever been my displeasure to read on the internet. Second only to the comments some of you at Cooper Heaven made at the Regina Winkles article. That was slightly worse.
Report on the Video: Finished shooting this afternoon in Bonney Lake. Sixty still shots included, some will be included in the final version. Kenny’s old place is presently vacant, and is for sale. Kyle was a very good witness and presented well on camera. I am about to review the raw footage. Hopefully the wind noise and occasional traffic wasn’t TOO bad, although I have some editing software that can probably get around some of that.
One more point: Whatever gave you the ridiculous idea that I wrote Blast to make money or to create a best-seller. I knew when Skipp and I were writing it that not a single Cooper book to that date ever made much money. The point was to find out the truth, and what we couldn’t find out initially….I figured the book would drive that out of the woodwork. On that purpose, it did very well. SEE: Decoded show, Geestman’s family coming forward, Adrenaline Hunter show, movie deal.
We spent a total of roughly $13,000 in expenses doing the research for the book. This includes me turning down some good-paying edit jobs because I was busy traveling around the Northwest. We finally recouped that amount roughly three years ago, and it’s been profit ever since. In those contexts…I would call it a resounding success. If you’re looking at book numbers at Amazon, that is a poor judge. We’re a wholesale trade publisher. Less than 5% of our booksales come from Amazon. Most come from Ingram distribution. 🙂
Robert, you keep complaining about hateful things when you post bad things as well…many of them right here while complaining?
you were not with Kenny while he was alive..the family could make things seem perfect with the exception of throwing him under the bus claiming he threatened to blowup a plane full of people. the family is the last to know in many cases…state prosecutors and lawyers would pull out of a case as involved as you are. Kenny might not of done anything wrong, but you never know and it sure the hell wasn’t a good choice if he was hiding as you always like to state he was doing..
according to your own statement the family tried to cover up a simple radio interview. nobody knows because you speak for everyone..that’s dictatorship all the way “brother” excuse after excuse to make things go away or to get around a lie..all of this because a lot of people that know about Cooper just don’t believe Kenny was the hijacker…I see the public sucking up to Reca, Rackstraw, Marla etc. they just believe everything fits because they don’t have a clue to begin with. “the numbers match on a letter” “Kenny paid cash for his house” it goes on and on.
If the statement is true that the family claims not to know of any radio program then they are capable of covering up other things. Lyle knows damn well he did the interview.
you lash out as if your last name was Christiansen..you have waaaaay too much time on your hands sir..you need to learn to take the good with the bad..you spend so much time trying to discredit people for simply disagreeing.
Shutter:
Blah, blah, frickin’…BLAH.
Child molestation is a serious charge. Unless you have a single witness, one shred of proof, the situation with you and your friends is exactly as I said was back there. I don’t care a whit about some radio interview that Lyle may or may not have done almost two years prior to any real investigation into Christiansen. Even if Lyle told some disk jockey eleven years ago that he didn’t think his brother was Cooper, it would make perfect sense.
Back then hardly anyone, including Geoff Gray, Skipp Porteous, and especially myself knew much of anything regarding Kenny’s guilt or innocence. That changed later, of course. Up to that point, (2007) the only available thing going on KC was a single article by Geoff Gray. One single article. Of course Lyle didn’t know. Neither did anyone else at that time.
Present one shred of proof, or even a bit of evidence backing your charge of child molestation. That’s pretty serious stuff. You pulled it from your back pocket out of hatred, because you don’t damn thing else going on Kenny, and we won’t give you the latest information. Now you see why you and yours were cut from the information loop. And why the media bypassed you and your friends more and more. You have a rep going, whether you realize it or not, and it isn’t a GOOD rep.
“you need to learn to take the good with the bad..you spend so much time trying to discredit people for simply disagreeing…”
I don’t have to discredit you. You did that on your own. The screenshots prove it. Three hundred absolutely filthy and obscene comments on another article…proven to come from some of your CURRENT members at Cooper Heaven…did all that on their own. And you are their biggest fan and supporter. You even tried to stop them once, but it didn’t work.
Problem is…people are beginning to see through all that for what it is. On the radio interview stuff, that is moot. Kenny’s family didn’t deny the interview. They said they didn’t remember it. Lyle said he didn’t remember saying such things or going on the radio. Maybe he just forgot, since he was being contacted quite a bit after the October 2007 article by Geoff Gray came out. And he had no idea for sure whether Kenny was the hijacker anyway. Fortunately, we were able to settle his mind about that and he was a great help to us.
What you are worried about is simple. You invested big-time effort in trying to convince people that Kenny couldn’t possibly be the hijacker. But then you never figured on a senior FBI agent (John Jarvis) blowing the whistle a month after the FBI closed the case. You never figured on Geestman’s own family turning against him when he chose to lie on Decoded. You never figured on movie producers researching your website and seeing through all the anti-Blevins stuff and deciding to ignore YOU and come to ME. You thought you had it all in the bag, and packaged real nice.
The package fell apart in transit.
Blevins can’t produce one piece of documentation to back up all of his claims. Nothing. There isn’t any. Blevins has only his fingers to write more garbage about a dead man who was not DB Cooper. And about himself. Blevins is in love with himself. A good psychiatrist might say he had problems with his mommy, or something along those lines. Who the hell is Regina Winkles? Should we know who this person is too?
Copied Over: Outright lies and misconceptions by ‘Johnnie Greene’…and why.
“We all know that Ken Christianson had questionable practices with young boys and teen boys. Skipp Porteous definitely knew this too.”
Why this is a lie: Skipp Porteous never said or hinted any such thing about Christiansen. His investigation mostly went to the neighbors and some co-workers. He found zero that pointed to any inappropriate behavior on KC’s part. He did help some kids. But in a decent way, not the ugly way you and your friends tried to portray. Should we believe the testimony from KC’s neighbors, friends, co-workers, even one of the kids he helped raise…or just a couple of anonymous folk from some internet forum. You get two guesses, but you’ll only need ONE.
“Porteous didn’t believe it in the end (that KC was Cooper) either. That’s why he never met, maybe refused to meet, Blevins.”
Completely false. Porteous and I strongly believed KC was the guy. Right up to when he died. I have dozens of his emails to prove it. When he lived in Morro Bay, CA for a while, he invited both Gayla and I to come and stay. We couldn’t, due to running our businesses here in the Seattle area. I’m lucky if I get away once or twice a year to see my own parents. Or take a camping weekend. Nope, Porteous was convinced Kenny and Bernie were guilty as sin. Frankly, so am I.
“He (Blevins) uses Bruce’s site to promote his book and his fairy tale, and tries to get in the last word. Blevins is banned elsewhere.”
Robert says: Only banned at Cooper Heaven. Nowhere else that I know of. The Dropzone site was closed, I was not banned when it was closed. And Cooper Heaven isn’t my cup of tea anyway.
“The FBI ruled out KC years ago.”
Wrong again, Mr. Uninformed. FBI agent Larry Carr dismissed KC early on in 2008, and that dismissal was based solely on the Geoff Gray article. When I inquired with the Seattle FBI in both 2011 and 2013 whether KC had been written off, the responding agent replied with this: “You are mistaken to assume Christiansen was dismissed as a suspect. Some in this (Seattle) office think he’s a good suspect. Others believe there are better suspects.” That answer is a lot more honest about the true situation than YOU are LOL.
“Lyle Christianson wanted a movie.” The one thing you said that’s actually TRUE. Amazingly. He said he thought Kenny’s life would make a good film. So do I, and it looks like what Lyle wanted, Lyle will GET. 🙂
“Skipp Portoeus wanted to get away from Blevins.” NOT true. Skipp’s aphasia got to a point where he couldn’t communicate well anymore. We were friends right up to the day he died, and I wrote a nice tribute article about him for WordPress, which his family thanked me for doing. I am still friends with them to this day.
“Blevins book was a flop.” Maybe. That’s debatable, though. We made back the money we spent, we got it signed to a movie as long as we were willing to put a freeze on certain information from Geestman’s family and cooperate on the script. If they make the movie, then I wouldn’t call it a flop.
“Who the hell is Regina Winkles? Should we know who this person is too?”
Short version: Regina Winkles is a bookkeeper for a meat-packing plant in Texas. She had a WordPress column based on mysteries and crimes or something. She wrote an article stating her reasons KC wasn’t Cooper. No big deal. I made a couple of harmless comments.
Then…a ton of folks using phony identities (they even used MY name, names of known FBI agents, etc) and started posting the most filthy things with my name, Gayla’s name attached to them. I mean really BAD stuff. Then she went on vacation for a couple of weeks and didn’t bring her laptop.
Two weeks later…the comments added up to over 300 that were so bad that when she returned she was in shock. She provided me with the IP addresses of some of the worst offenders. We tracked them to other Cooper posts where these people were known and had known usernames. One was Bob Knoss, a known Cooper nut. A few others were from Dropzone, and some later at Cooper Heaven. I’ve never revealed the names, and I won’t. It was long ago and no use dragging it out into the open. Shutter was NOT one of them. Bruce was not one of them. The others you might know.
In the end, I made a PDF of all the comments, listed the IP’s associated with those comments, their known usernames and where they posted elsewhere…sent it all in a package to Matt Mullenweg in San Francisco. (Co-founder of WordPress) Matt permanently deleted Regina’s account at WordPress. I actually felt sorry for her, because she had no idea about Cooperland stuff.
End of story.
7 years ago…end of story…water under the bridge….that’s the tactic you use, no? there is another active you know, right?
And if you guys want to see the video anytime soon…I have to get back to work on it. 🙂
If someone does ask, I’ll alert the media….don’t hold your breath though….
just sayin’
Might be seven years ago, but you could say there is a sort of long-term pattern going? 🙂 Everyone seems to bring up crap from years ago…like some nothing radio interview from eleven years ago.
No need for the facetious remarks about the video. Kyle came forward, I had to get his story. I even filed an info request for an investigation with the Bonney Lake PD. Kyle had no problem with that. He’s stopping by the station tomorrow to see if there any updates, or records still around regarding the find.
I don’t try to contact media anymore, and I’ve turned down the last two interview requests, as well as an offer to appear on a DB Cooper documentary being filmed in September for (not BY) the BBC. Frankly, Cooper is often a PITA these days.
Like today, when I had to set up this video in 94 degree weather. I was happy to do it, but it was still hot as hell. Some traffic noise on the video, but overall not too bad. Doesn’t go to TV stations or news. Just YouTube.
Might be seven years ago, but you could say there is a sort of long-term pattern going? 🙂 Everyone seems to bring up crap from years ago…like some nothing radio interview from eleven years ago.
that’s relevant to the case..much different than constantly bringing up trash talking…as I mentioned. there is another site probably just as bad that is active, or was active the last time I seen it..same crap..
Video is finished and is being processed using Sony software. To save time, we did it in 720HD this time, rather than the higher 1080.
You’ll have to explain to me what is relevant about an alleged radio interview from eleven years ago where Lyle might have said he wasn’t sure his brother was the hijacker. Our investigation was more than a year away from even starting back then…and NO ONE knew whether Kenny was really a good suspect or not in 2007. You’re reaching. The October 2007 article by Gray was the first thing ever done on Christiansen, and even Gray couldn’t come to a conclusion. So why should Lyle start telling people he was sure his brother was Cooper? His answer sounds pretty honest to me.
You should ask Lyle today what he thinks. That would be more relevant. Not like Kenny actually TOLD him he was the hijacker, you know. It was another three years before AB of Seattle actually started making progress on determining the truth on Kenny.
You keep mentioning some website. I have no idea what you’re talking about on that one. Unless you mean Cooper Heaven, and although I’ll admit a visit or two over the last couple of months, I mostly stay away. If you mean the DB Cooper Info Page at AB of Seattle, it’s basically been the same thing for months. If you mean the Adventure Books Forum, we only have a few members right now and no one is allowed to discuss Cooper Heaven there, or make disparaging comments about Cooper Heaven…otherwise I will ban them for life. It’s the Prime Directive, as it were. Nothing personal about that. Better for you, better for us. If you mean some OTHER site where people engage in nasty and hateful comments about anyone involved in the Cooper case…NOT interested. Been there, done that.
If you mean BRUCE’S site…well…that’s up to Bruce. Since your folk over at Cooper Heaven can’t access our forum, and I’m not in the habit of doing main website changes all the time…this is the only com you guys really have with me. Bruce could delete his two articles and make this all go away anytime he wishes. It’s not a forum…it’s a string of comments to a posted article. It can be made to vanish with a single delete key click.
Sometimes I wonder why he doesn’t hit the delete key. 🙂
Video update: Not quite ready. All good EXCEPT…I left the text on a credit screen set to size 48 and it was way too big. Re-process…$!%#! Then it goes to YouTube. I’m out of here for today.
Traffic noise galore, but we got the message out. Posted to Facebook pages, YouTube, Twitter, and the Usual Suspects.
show me where I accused Kenny of child molestation? I said it’s possible, I also said it’s possible the family could be covering for him. you are NOT family. you down play an interview where Lyle admits his brother “probably wasn’t the hijacker” then you leave out the part where he had inconsistencies with his statements..the lying began at the start..”lying Lyle” sounds good 🙂
first he wants a movie made about his brother being Cooper, then states he wasn’t and now believes he could be Cooper lol…
relevant? yes, when the person who brought the whole thing up then denies it, yes it’s relevant. any lawyer would jump on that response no matter how old it was. it’s called “damaging evidence” look into it 🙂 then you claim the family denies the whole thing which is once again damaging to there credibility.
the website is a reference to another site that has been up for years loaded with nasty comments using your name and a bunch of others…Vicki found it years ago..
It’s not an investigation when you request records from the police…
Actually it IS a situation where you request records from the police. And they obviously agreed with my official request…since they assigned not one but BOTH assistant chiefs to it. A record of the money being turned in as Kyle said is affirmation of his testimony.
Excuse me for living…but duh. And I couldn’t care less about some website that Vicki found with nasty comments. People have done that before. People YOU KNOW…people who are currently MEMBERS at your website have been caught doing that before. LIke I would want to wade through crap like that again. No thanks.
And I would appreciate it if you would stop misquoting me regarding some obscure radio interview on which there is no record, and which allegedly happened over a year before Adventure Books even heard of Lyle Christiansen, or began investigating the Cooper case. It’s ridiculous. As usual, you’re simply jealous.
Again.
Georger is directing traffic to the outside of your publishing headquarters and house cleaning compound at studio A in Auburn, Washington. It’s HIS way of silencing you. Up next: a full house for your yearly lecture during Auburn Days. Everybody’s coming. Call the Auburn PD
“Georger is directing traffic to the outside of your publishing headquarters and house cleaning compound at studio A in Auburn, Washington. It’s HIS way of silencing you. Up next: a full house for your yearly lecture during Auburn Days. Everybody’s coming. Call the Auburn PD”
Our HQ is two small bedrooms upstairs in a townhouse.
Our housecleaning business is so successful that we net enough to live comfortably and only work about 30 hours a week. Same-same last 16 years, twenty for Gayla, who started it all.
I haven’t been involved with the Auburn Days Festival for at least four years now.
The Auburn PD likes us, knows our Nissan truck, and we say hi to any officer we see. 🙂
they are public records…no investigation…it’s a search and produce…
No. Wrong. This is not a property transaction we’re talking about. One of the problems is that a police report was filed in Bonney Lake, but it’s from twenty years ago and you have to file something to get information on that. The reason the chiefs were assigned to it are both political…and sensible.
First, many of the residents of Bonney Lake, including a past mayor, are well aware that Christiansen is a suspect in the Cooper hijacking. I have also put out the word privately that the film companies might show up in Bonney Lake as a part of their production. So on that level, it’s political. Let’s face it, if a movie comes out naming a past resident as Cooper, that is a big deal for Bonney Lake. Political.
Sensible: Meaning it would help if there were not only a report still on file about the money being turned in, but an officer or two who would remember it. That’s where the assistant chiefs of police come in. The lady who was working with me on my request said that’s the reason she assigned the job to them. Because apparently they’ve been on the Bonney Lake PD for a long time. I don’t know if it was twenty years, but maybe, otherwise why would she say that, and do what she did. Kyle, since he lives just a few blocks from PD headquarters, is checking in on progress. If anything develops, I will post it to Facebook at the usual public places. (Facebook DB Cooper page, AB of Seattle FB page)
why does everything call for jealousy? it’s a simple comment made about Lyle and a radio show…doesn’t matter if you were involved or not..it had nothing to do with you, but it does to his credibility..deal with it…
My view on the MSM, QAnon, and Fake News:
The concerns with public media are real and widespread, such as expressed by the above slogans and sources. But to paint all media as the “enemy of the people” as the president has done recently, or to accuse the MSM of propaganda-like behavior to control the minds of Americans as Terry B does in a post way above, is not justified, in my opinion.
Yes, the corporatocracy controls a lot, including influencing the media, as the recent movies like “The Post” clearly show. But we must fight against that influence, and demand transparency and truthfulness – not destroy the NY Times or the reputations of solid journalists.
That is one reason I wrote DB Cooper and the FBI – A Case Study of America’s Only Unsolved Skyjacking. To the degree that I am able, it shows how the FBI really works – a large bureaucracy beholding to many political pressures with a dearth of innovative and courageous investigators. That’s just the way it is. Nevertheless, the FBI is useful – someone has to investigate and apprehend criminals – and I do not want it destroyed in a mis-guided venture to cleanse the so-called Deep State, as so many alt-right wingers seem to be demanding.
Then apparently the difference on our take on the current state of MSM is a matter of degree. President Trump is not a politician, as he stated when he ran for the job, however I respect his statement and agree with it 100%. My view is that Americans have failed to heed the warnings by Eisenhower about the military industrial complex. My take is much more cynical because I’ve pay close attention to the pure bullshit that some of our so-called elected officials pull on the rest of us on a daily basis. Here’s an article by a former CIA officer that’s a little more sanitized:
It has frequently been alleged that the modern Turkish Republic operates on two levels. It has a parliamentary democracy complete with a constitution and regular elections, but there also exists a secret government that has been referred to as the “deep state,” in Turkish “Derin Devlet.”
The concept of “deep state” has recently become fashionable to a certain extent, particularly to explain the persistence of traditional political alignments when confronted by the recent revolutions in parts of the Middle East and Eastern Europe. For those who believe in the existence of the deep state, there are a number of institutional as well as extralegal relationships that might suggest its presence.
Some believe that this deep state arose out of a secret NATO operation called “Gladio,” which created an infrastructure for so-called “stay behind operations” if Western Europe were to be overrun by the Soviet Union and its allies. There is a certain logic to that assumption, as a deep state has to be organized around a center of official and publicly accepted power, which means it normally includes senior officials of the police and intelligence services as well as the military. For the police and intelligence agencies, the propensity to operate in secret is a sine qua non for the deep state, as it provides cover for the maintenance of relationships that under other circumstances would be considered suspect or even illegal.
In Turkey, the notion that there has to be an outside force restraining dissent from political norms was, until recently, even given a legal fig leaf through the Constitution of 1982, which granted to the military’s National Security Council authority to intervene in developing political situations to “protect” the state. There have, in fact, been four military coups in Turkey. But deep state goes far beyond those overt interventions. It has been claimed that deep state activities in Turkey are frequently conducted through connivance with politicians who provide cover for the activity, with corporate interests and with criminal groups who can operate across borders and help in the mundane tasks of political corruption, including drug trafficking and money laundering.
A number of senior Turkish politicians have spoken openly of the existence of the deep state. Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit tried to learn more about the organization and, for his pains, endured an assassination attempt in 1977. Tansu Ciller eulogized “those who died for the state and those who killed for the state,” referring to the assassinations of communists and Kurds. There have been several significant exposures of Turkish deep state activities, most notably an automobile accident in 1996 in Susurluk that killed the Deputy Chief of the Istanbul Police and the leader of the Grey Wolves extreme right wing nationalist group. A member of parliament was also in the car and a fake passport was discovered, tying together a criminal group that had operated death squads with a senior security official and an elected member of the legislature. A subsequent investigation determined that the police had been using the criminals to support their operations against leftist groups and other dissidents. Deep state operatives have also been linked to assassinations of a judge, Kurds, leftists, potential state witnesses, and an Armenian journalist. They have also bombed a Kurdish bookstore and the offices of a leading newspaper.
As all governments—sometimes for good reasons—engage in concealment of their more questionable activities, or even resort to out and out deception, one must ask how the deep state differs. While an elected government might sometimes engage in activity that is legally questionable, there is normally some plausible pretext employed to cover up or explain the act.
But for players in the deep state, there is no accountability and no legal limit. Everything is based on self-interest, justified through an assertion of patriotism and the national interest. In Turkey, there is a belief amongst senior officials who consider themselves to be parts of the status in statu that they are guardians of the constitution and the true interests of the nation. In their own minds, they are thereby not bound by the normal rules. Engagement in criminal activity is fine as long as it is done to protect the Turkish people and to covertly address errors made by the citizenry, which can easily be led astray by political fads and charismatic leaders. When things go too far in a certain direction, the deep state steps in to correct course.
And deep state players are to be rewarded for their patriotism. They benefit materially from the criminal activity that they engage in, including protecting Turkey’s role as a conduit for drugs heading to Europe from Central Asia, but more recently involving the movement of weapons and people to and from Syria. This has meant collaborating with groups like ISIS, enabling militants to ignore borders and sell their stolen archeological artifacts while also negotiating deals for the oil from the fields in the areas that they occupy. All the transactions include a large cut for the deep state.
If all this sounds familiar to an American reader, it should, and given some local idiosyncrasies, it invites the question whether the United States of America has its own deep state.
First of all, one should note that for the deep state to be effective, it must be intimately associated with the development or pre-existence of a national security state. There must also be a perception that the nation is in peril, justifying extraordinary measures undertaken by brave patriots to preserve life and property of the citizenry. Those measures are generically conservative in nature, intended to protect the status quo with the implication that change is dangerous.
Those requirements certainly prevail in post 9/11 America, and also feed the other essential component of the deep state: that the intervening should work secretly or at least under the radar. Consider for a moment how Washington operates. There is gridlock in Congress and the legislature opposes nearly everything that the White House supports. Nevertheless, certain things happen seemingly without any discussion: Banks are bailed out and corporate interests are protected by law. Huge multi-year defense contracts are approved. Citizens are assassinated by drones, the public is routinely surveilled, people are imprisoned without be charged, military action against “rogue” regimes is authorized, and whistleblowers are punished with prison. The war crimes committed by U.S. troops and contractors on far-flung battlefields, as well as torture and rendition, are rarely investigated and punishment of any kind is rare. America, the warlike predatory capitalist, might be considered a virtual definition of deep state.
One critic describes deep state as driven by the “Washington Consensus,” a subset of the “American exceptionalism” meme. It is plausible to consider it a post-World War II creation, the end result of the “military industrial complex” that Dwight Eisenhower warned about, but some believe its infrastructure was actually put in place through the passage of the Federal Reserve Act prior to the First World War. Several years after signing the bill, Woodrow Wilson reportedly lamented, “We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
In truth America’s deep state is, not unlike Turkey’s, a hybrid creature that operates along a New York to Washington axis. Where the Turks engage in criminal activity to fund themselves, the Washington elite instead turns to banksters, lobbyists, and defense contractors, operating much more in the open and, ostensibly, legally. U.S.-style deep state includes all the obvious parties, both public and private, who benefit from the status quo: including key players in the police and intelligence agencies, the military, the treasury and justice departments, and the judiciary. It is structured to materially reward those who play along with the charade, and the glue to accomplish that ultimately comes from Wall Street. “Financial services” might well be considered the epicenter of the entire process. Even though government is needed to implement desired policies, the banksters comprise the truly essential element, capable of providing genuine rewards for compliance. As corporate interests increasingly own the media, little dissent comes from the Fourth Estate as the process plays out, while many of the proliferating Washington think tanks that provide deep state “intellectual” credibility are similarly funded by defense contractors.
The cross fertilization that is essential to making the system work takes place through the famous revolving door whereby senior government officials enter the private sector at a high level. In some cases the door revolves a number of times, with officials leaving government before returning to an even more elevated position. Along the way, those select individuals are protected, promoted, and groomed for bigger things. And bigger things do occur that justify the considerable costs, to include bank bailouts, tax breaks, and resistance to legislation that would regulate Wall Street, political donors, and lobbyists. The senior government officials, ex-generals, and high level intelligence operatives who participate find themselves with multi-million dollar homes in which to spend their retirement years, cushioned by a tidy pile of investments.
America’s deep state is completely corrupt: it exists to sell out the public interest, and includes both major political parties as well as government officials. Politicians like the Clintons who leave the White House “broke” and accumulate $100 million in a few years exemplify how it rewards. A bloated Pentagon churns out hundreds of unneeded flag officers who receive munificent pensions and benefits for the rest of their lives. And no one is punished, ever. Disgraced former general and CIA Director David Petraeus is now a partner at the KKR private equity firm, even though he knows nothing about financial services. More recently, former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell has become a Senior Counselor at Beacon Global Strategies. Both are being rewarded for their loyalty to the system and for providing current access to their replacements in government.
What makes the deep state so successful? It wins no matter who is in power, by creating bipartisan-supported money pits within the system. Monetizing the completely unnecessary and hideously expensive global war on terror benefits the senior government officials, beltway industries, and financial services that feed off it. Because it is essential to keep the money flowing, the deep state persists in promoting policies that make no sense, to include the unwinnable wars currently enjoying marquee status in Iraq/Syria and Afghanistan. The deep state knows that a fearful public will buy its product and does not even have to make much of an effort to sell it.
Of course I know that the United States of America is not Turkey. But there are lessons to be learned from its example of how a democracy can be subverted by particular interests hiding behind the mask of patriotism. Ordinary Americans frequently ask why politicians and government officials appear to be so obtuse, rarely recognizing what is actually occurring in the country. That is partly due to the fact that the political class lives in a bubble of its own creation, but it might also be because many of America’s leaders actually accept that there is an unelected, unappointed, and unaccountable presence within the system that actually manages what is taking place behind the scenes. That would be the American deep state.
Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National Interest.
BTW, he’s certainly not the only former CIA officer to be critical of the way things are done.
I’m not that worried about the MSM or any of that too much. What happens with America sometimes is that they are sometimes slow to react, but when they do…it’s usually decisive. I am watching the House primary race in Ohio today. If the young Dem, O’Connor, even keeps the race close…look out across the other races come November.
Gayla and I often work for Republican families, because frankly…many of them can afford housecleaners. What we’re hearing from people (we ourselves give no political comments ever) is that many of the moderates are plain embarrassed and pissed off by current circumstances. You will always get your base voters, like Dem families who always vote Dem. But if you want to flip districts, you have to flip the moderates.
By the way, I think DB Cooper was a democrat. (*laughs*) If he were Republican, he would have worn a nicer suit. 🙂
I heard that KC was a far right, log cabin Republican. If you really know your suspect, then ………. KC is eliminated. Grow up and use some logic.
Shutter says:
“why does everything call for jealousy? it’s a simple comment made about Lyle and a radio show…doesn’t matter if you were involved or not..it had nothing to do with you, but it does to his credibility..deal with it…”
Right….
So let’s say Lyle WAS interviewed eleven years ago by some disk jockey. And a couple of years before any real investigation began on his brother. And Lyle says he isn’t sure his brother is really Cooper. Sounds normal enough, honest enough for me.
Or…do you think it would give him MORE credibility to claim he was absolutely SURE his brother was Cooper? Now THAT would be weird. No one knew much about Christiansen in 2007, and only a single article was done about Christiansen in 2007.
Your point is moot.
(Responding to Shutter’s comment was painful. Same guy who says it was senseless for AB of Seattle to file an investigative request with the Bonney Lake PD on the money found buried on Kenny’s property.)
I get these requests, sometimes almost demands for ‘proof’ regarding our investigation into Kenny. Then when I attempt to gain such proof, beyond a picture and Kyle’s testimony, I get ‘blasted’ for it. 🙂
You’d swear some people don’t actually want to see any proof, because if enough proof surfaced on Kenny’s (and Bernie Geestman’s) innocence or guilt, their efforts to discredit our entire investigation, an effort that has gone on for years…would be wasted. And no one enjoys realizing they not only wasted their time…but backed the wrong horse.
That a boy bLIEvens, keep up the charade. Ignore all of the items of verifiable evidence that absolutely clear Kenny C of being Cooper. Ignore the core four letters and the rest of the letters. Ignore that there were approx. 200 specialized particles on the tie and the fact that most of them are not used in “welding.” Ignore that Kenny was too short. Ignore that the stewardess said “no, it was not Kenny C.” Ignore the FBI Norjak FOIA files too, as you have apparently done. Just make shit up as you always do. A pathetic flow of interference is your ploy. It’s all about you…isn’t it Mr bLIEvens!
Uh…some of those things you listed are just not true. Witness descriptions are notoriously UN-reliable. Cooper witnesses actually gave much-varying descriptions. Your letter links are unproven. No one knows the chain of evidence on the tie. It could have come from a Goodwill bin as far as anyone knows. Show me a record or an official statement, an article…anything…where either Tina Mucklow, Alice Hancock, or Flo Schaffner saw a picture of Kenny and said he wasn’t the guy. In fact, Hancock said his picture looked like the hijacker except the hijacker had more hair. Flo got frightened when shown pictures of Kenny by Geoff Gray and said his picture was the closest she had ever seen, although she couldn’t 100% ID him as Cooper. I’ve seen the Norjak files, both the unredacted and the redacted versions. Kenny isn’t mentioned at all one way or another. A senior FBI agent admitted to three verified witnesses, all with security clearances and working for the US government that the agent told them Kenny WAS the guy…that he was dead…and that’s basically why the FBI closed the case. That happened exactly 14 months after we submitted our report to the FBI.
And that’s only skimming the surface. Some evidence we have agreed to withhold for the Cooper picture.
“A senior FBI agent admitted to three verified witnesses, all with security clearances and working for the US government that the agent told them Kenny WAS the guy…that he was dead…and that’s basically why the FBI closed the case. That happened exactly 14 months after we submitted our report to the FBI…”
This situation, this event…is being used in the upcoming movie. That’s how confident the production companies are on the sources of the information. They are going to NAME Agent John Jarvis, folks. That’s a pretty big deal and will definitely force the FBI’s hand on what they know, or don’t know, on Kenny and Bernie once and for all. I was very surprised they would do that. It wasn’t my idea, it was theirs. Yes, I was floored when they told me this. But then Troy Bentz gave us everything but the kitchen sink to confirm his story.
And then he tossed us the sink as well. Production companies decided to run with the information. They checked it out too.
where did I say it was senseless o file a record request about the money found on the property not connected to the Cooper case…I told you several weeks back that it was needed.
Actually…the property IS connected to the Cooper case, since Kenny owned it in the time frame of the discovered bills. Two television shows on Cooper have been filmed there. The entire city of Bonney Lake knows they could be the home to Cooper, even the local cops, who have suddenly become much more interested. (I sent them the video.) The first-ever feature film on the case will probably show up somewhere in Bonney Lake for production shooting. KC’s house could even be nominated as a historical site at some point. AB of Seattle has evidence you don’t even know about, since you are too stubborn to go the straight-arrow route to find out. I don’t believe the public is with you anymore, although that’s just an opinion.
Robert, you may speak for people you know but you can’t speak for the public. you failed to answer the question as usual…
where did I say it was senseless to verify the story…?
Blah, blah, blah. It’s hard to take you seriously anymore. You should have seen the email with links and attachments I sent to the Bonney Lake mayor today. It was good. Had to bring him up to speed on the complete situation.
while you are busy tossing deceptive quotes about me perhaps a reality check is in order 🙂
Robert wrote
Radio Interview: Even if this is true, it means zero. First, except for some initial inquiries by Skipp Porteous in mid-2007, no one at that time knew Bernie Geestman and company even existed. Adventure Books did not begin their investigation until after we contacted Porteous, and that was roughly October 2008 the first time, with no real investigation beginning until early 2009. So…even if Lyle said such things, they mean nothing. He never claimed he knew his brother was Cooper, he only suspected it.
WRONG
Oct. 21, 2007
Lyle Christiansen says the following…
“Yes, I knew the culprit personally,” Lyle wrote one day. “He was my brother.”
your damn right it’s RELEVANT…
Hello Dave:
I did interview Mr. Christensen regarding his claim that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker.
Mike Fitzsimmons
I don’t give a crap about the Mayor…show me where I said getting verification was “senseless” especially, when I told you it should of been done years ago…either show it, or admit you lied about the statement against me!
I didn’t say I SPOKE for the public. I said I thought they weren’t with you anymore.
answer my question…
show me where I said getting verification was “senseless” especially, when I told you it should of been done years ago…either show it, or admit you lied about the statement against me!
that’s speaking for them….did they tell you? I get over 40,000 page views a month..different public?
I don’t speak for the public. I said I thought they weren’t with you anymore.
Frankly, I don’t blame you for pushing the panic button. You have a rep regarding the Cooper case, you know that, right?
I would not call it necessarily good. You want to start tossing out page views? I don’t think I will stoop to doing that. It’s childish and has not much to do with Cooper case. But since you’re asking, my polite answers to questions at Quora, many of them related to the Cooper case, approach 700,000 in the space of about a year and a half. And that’s just me. I could go on about the DB Cooper Info Page at AB, our WordPress on Cooper, other sources. What’s the point? Are we comparing Richard sizes here or what?
answer my question…
show me where I said getting verification was “senseless” especially, when I told you it should of been done years ago…either show it, or admit you lied about the statement against me!
“You want to start tossing out page views? I don’t think I will stoop to doing that. It’s childish and has not much to do with Cooper case.”
Um, this was done by you constantly along with Google Analytics..over and over..I did it for a reason while you kept trying to prove life forms existed on the AB forum.. 🙂
I actually placed a phone call to the Spokane, WA radio station on Monday just before Mike Fitzsimmons went on the air at 4pm. He remembers the Lyle Christianson conversation that was live on the radio in November 2007. He told me Lyle admitted the entire story was made up by Lyle in hopes to generate a story for a movie. Lyle never really believed Ken C. Was DB Cooper. MIKE also said that Lyle sounded a little goofy on the radio and was caught off guard and acted embarrassed. Georger had also talked to Mike Fitzsimmons and had the same report. Fitzsimmons does a daily radio show in Spokane and used to be an attorney.
Good work, Gyp. Thanks for the update. It adds more substance to the Lyle debate, especially since he has become such a true believer in recent years. Georger and I did a lot of research on Lyle back in the DZ days, as Lyle is a real wheeler-dealer. He was promoting some young-cutie in his hometown as the Next Big Thing in Hollywood for awhile.
DB Cooper is almost like a family business, as Kenny’s nephew, Bruce, came to the Portland DBC Symposium in 2011. Bruce is a nice guy, but I was surprised that he had such a developed taste for the KC Kool-aid.
Fame is addictive. Look at Colbert and the recent craziness about decoding the “letters.” Whew.
And we have Reca and the Gang, too. Big doings up in Cle Elum this summer, as they celebrate their own fame as the latest DB Cooper hot spot. NPR did a big special up there a few weeks ago.
Speaking of fame, the Formans and I are having din-din with a French reporter on Friday. He’s in the PNW getting a bevy of local stories for his European-based magazine.
We know the French guy from the magazine. He’s staying Portland, or at least he was when we were exchanging the emails. I declined on his request for an interview, but I did send him a few things.
You know…you guys can pick on the old guy (Lyle) all you want, and put up phony stuff about him actually ‘admitting’ he knew his brother wasn’t Cooper, but everyone here knows that is a load of hogwash. Try to remember something (that is actually based in reality). Lyle has been fully cooperative with both me and Skipp Porteous since the first day we started investigating Kenny. Even after Skipp was unable to continue actively investigating the case, everything I ever asked for from Lyle…he provided without question. Letters, photos, documents, a detailed timeline of Kenny’s life from 1944 onward…the list is endless. His stuff takes up one entire large drawer in one of our offices. Hundreds of emails to boot. You say you have an undocumented phone call from a supposed radio interview…done exactly one month after the Kenny story went public. That’s what YOU got.
WE have much more, an ongoing pattern of non-judgmental cooperation that went on for years, and still continues to the present day. You’re not convincing anyone except a few folks in a relatively small group…who have strong motivations to discredit anything and anyone involved in investigating what you call the ‘KC Saga’. In fact, you keep embellishing that radio story more all the time.
We also know Lyle was contacted multiple times after the Gray article came out in October 2007, and a guy eighty or so years of age might really forget who was who on the phone that time. I will even concede that perhaps Lyle DID go on the radio, but I think Shutter’s version of events is closer to the truth than that hogwash you’re trying to push off now. I think Lyle, if he appeared on radio that day, might have said “No, I don’t know if my brother was Cooper.” That makes perfect sense to me he would say that. Why? Because he didn’t know if his brother was Cooper, but he has gone public saying he had suspicions.
Saying he thought his brother’s story might make a good movie is nothing but legitimate. A bit amateurish, especially when coming from a retired postal worker, but legitimate. KC had an interesting, if sometimes difficult life. The Army, coming home, failing as a book salesman, signing up for NWA and ending up on a cold rock in Alaska for four years, going to the South Pacific for six months and working in the same place they were setting off the A-bombs, coming home and re-signing for NWA. A fairly happy life after that until the strikes came and the pay remained poverty level…and then finally…his scheming friend Bernie talks him into hijacking his own airline…and then trying to keep that quiet for decades. And then finally…some years after Kenny died…the whole thing finally starts coming out into the open. And it all started with a string of lies by Bernie Geestman, some finger-pointing to his ex-wife, and testimony from his own sister, and later…his own niece…and LATER…his whole family. This will be the basic picture of what happened, and what is being presented in the movie, which begins with the jump itself and then tells the story in flashbacks. (I’m allowed to tell you that.)
This is what will be presented to the American public, and we will let them decide the validity of it. You can keep scrabbling around like old ladies, gossiping, and sometimes even stretching the truth about things. But it won’t do a bit of good.
The French reporter is Chris Davis. He submits for Society Magazine, a bi-weekly out of Paris. In case you are wondering. It’s no big secret. His emails have the signature of William Thorp, one of the higher ups at the mag, which confused me at first. I took a pass on the in-person interview, although I told him he could Skype or call me whenever he wished. He requested…and was sent…the FBI report on KC and a PDF copy of Blast. He approached me in the early part of July.
Hmm. Don’t enjoy three in a row posts, but…yes…I did give Chris extensive warnings regarding activity in Cooperland. These days, it is pretty much my standard policy with media who contact us.
This is because these same folks often will ask me for other references on the case, and believe or not, I try to be fair about that…and I give them the references. In other words, different folk and maybe a website or two. But I also provide them with some caveats when approaching those entities. That is ALSO fair. And the reason it’s fair to both recommend…and to WARN at the same time…is so any media are prepared in case the people I refer them to decide to trash-talk. They will expect it, and will have a more level view of it.
There is also something else I consider fair. I do not trash talk other Cooper folk to the media. The one exception was my discussions with the movie producers, but then…they had already seen it all anyway and we’re actually more hip to the situation in Cooperland than I realized.
No one visits your AB site, Blevins, because of you. That’s why you leave a steady stream on Bruce’s site. No one else will have you. We all know about your past behavior with others who have Cooper suspects. You are going to get your own medicine in spades, Bud. The film crew has been fully apprised.
You are sooo full of it. If you had been in contact with production, I would have heard about it right away. We communicate pretty regularly, you know. No one visits our website, and we have only a few members, because you have to apply to join. It’s not a public website and I’m okay with that.
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘get your own medicine,’ but you definitely have hate issues going.
I only post here because for most of you, it’s your only link with any information regarding AB, our investigation, the film, whatever. Bruce can ban me very easily using my IP address, just like Shutter did. When Comcast Cable assigned everyone around this town new IP’s, I even provided my new one to Shutter so he could update his ban on me properly.
Who are you? Some anonymous guy who uses lies to forward a negative and hateful agenda. That’s all. And that’s all you will ever be, at least for now. Just get in line. Been there, seen that. 🙂
“Because he didn’t know if his brother was Cooper, but he has gone public saying he had suspicions.”
Oct. 21, 2007
Lyle Christiansen says the following…
“Yes, I knew the culprit personally,” Lyle wrote one day. “He was my brother.”
“hello, is there anybody in there”
speaking of lies…
show me where I said getting verification was “senseless” especially, when I told you it should of been done years ago…either show it, or admit you lied about the statement against me!
I was speaking of the money find where Kyle came forward recently and did the video. THAT verification. Not anything else. YOU said that instead of requesting an actual investigation, we should have just made the usual info request of the Bonney Lake PD. I didn’t see it that way. Neither did they. I want verification on Kyle’s claim beyond his story and a few money pictures. And strangely enough…so should you.
Unless you aren’t REALLY interested in the truth on that, and are following an agenda. (Yeah, yeah, we know. You don’t care.)
I certainly hope you are not associated with ‘Johnnie Greene,’ because if you are, it goes to credibility more than you realize. Just saying.
I have invited some folks to do a camping trip in September up in the Olympics where we do Cooper discussions for YouTube, but without the traffic noise this time. Some have accepted. You may not like it, but AB is back in the Cooper biz. I took a break for a while, but it’s time to get moving again. The recent video was part of that.
AB is back in the Cooper biz
You never left..
Don’t have time for you right now…you have all the free time up all hours of the nite..gotta hit the road..
As I said: You drop the truth on some people, they are not only floored by that, but don’t know how to respond. Stop dealing with folks who hide behind rocks, espouse hatred and name-calling, or ignore reality. It goes better for you that way. 🙂
ok, then why are you here conversing with them?
Blevins, read our lips: NO FILM. The only film being produced is with Tom Colbert. Hollywood says, “Mr. Blevins is a nut case.” In addition, the F BI in Seattle said something similar: “Blevins is creepy. But everyone here does get a chuckle whenever he calls.”
Actually, Johnnie is mostly correct, above. I also talked with Tom Colbert. He already has the financing set up for a major motion picture due to shoot later this year. Colbert has been around the Hollywood scene for decades and knows the insiders who produce the movies. Colbert would not comment directly about Mr. Blevins alleged movie claims. He did say, however, that there is only one DB Cooper and it’s not Ken Christianson. As for the FBI, Rackstraw was on their radar since 1972. Christianson was never on their radar, except for a brief moment when “some Seattle author kept hounding the Seattle Field Office with crazy stuff. We do get out share of individuals who like to tie-up our time with nonsense about the case. We do a pretty good job at appeasing those well-intentioned, but challenged individuals.” In otherwords, it’s not Ken Christianson.
I got an email from Tom a little bit ago…I’m waiting to see if it’s ok to post parts of the email concerning “Hollywood” seems to be a bit of a stir going on….
🙂
To say the least, Shutter. I’ve been staying out of these nasty debates between you fellows and Blevins. It looks as though Tom Colbert is moving along quickly and will pre-empt any effort Blevin’s bunch has in the works (if in fact Blevins was even truthful about a movie). Tom Colbert moves quickly and quietly, unlike Blevins. And Colbert has the bucks, also unlike Blevins.
Colbert and other just get the job done…they don’t parade anything, or blast others constantly who disagree..that’s the way you do it..it’s not a competition with him. I’ve spoke with him several time and appears to be a decent guy..
I have a new wireless keyboard that causes error’s..I don’t catch it it until it’s posted..even after reading it…
Colbert and others…
spoke with him several times…
Hollywood is buying it. My manager is being inundated with producer calls today. One leading talent agency flat-out told my rep, “We all know Colbert has solved it.” Variety and L.A. Times have just called us. And here are two early Tinseltown postings:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/db-cooper-mystery-may-have-been-cracked-california-man-suspected-1133456
https://www.tvweek.com/tvbizwire/2018/08/has-the-d-b-cooper-case-finally-been-solved/
Hollywood seems to be bypassing those lazy folks 🙂
Yep, it’s over for Blevins. Ken Christianson wasted 12 years off Blevin’s life. Sure is great to hear crickets again. Music to my ears.
First off…constantly making false quotes attributed to FBI agents (‘Johnnie Greene,’ Gypsy23′) really hurts the credibility of those folks. Whenever I’ve been in contact in the Seattle FBI, it’s always been on a completely professional level. I do NOT ‘hound’ them, unless you call maybe five contacts with them in eight years ‘hounding’. You tell lies in order to create a false picture on how we deal with people…and then there is the reality. And the reality is much different.
Agent Fred Gutt in Seattle has been particularly helpful and polite to me. He’s called here twice and both times we had serious discussions on what he can and can’t say regarding the Cooper case. He’s also the same guy who told me Kenny had NOT been eliminated as a suspect in the case, and in fact…that some agents in Seattle considered him a good suspect. (While others, he said, thought there were better suspects.)
I did look at the two articles. Basically, it’s the same stuff Colbert’s been going with since that crazy History Channel show. And before you tell me how great of a show that was, I will remind you that most of Cooper Heaven expressed their disappointment for the show. There are three big things that have always dogged Colbert regarding Rackstraw. First, Rackstraw is in strong denial, sometimes very angry denial at being accused of being Cooper. He has gone public with it, gone vocal about it. Traditionally, this is what INNOCENT people do. Guilty people more often dodge and weave and hide. Rackstraw does none of that.
Second, it’s always been my opinion that anyone with BLUE eyes just has to be discounted unless you go with the colored contact idea. And besides…Rackstraw was approximately twenty years younger than most of the witness descriptions. That’s hard to get around, too much of an age difference.
Third, Tina Mucklow dismissed him outright and was provided not only pictures, but a video where Rackstraw speaks. That’s REALLY tough to get around. We could also discuss the idea of NYT crime reporter Billy Jensen, who was a part of the show, realizes they were barking up the wrong tree and decided he wanted nothing more to do with chasing Rackstraw. He actually told me this in a couple of emails. Anyone who wants to contact me privately about that can see them. But I won’t make them public.
Colbert and I (along with the main production company for the movie) have different approaches. Colbert’s is to flood the media and hope something sticks. OUR approach is more subtle, and low profile. Our discussions on it are private. We don’t release everything we know about KC and Geestman and what eventually happened on all that. We just decided to move forward quietly and not try the case in the media. We think it’s better to keep some things under wraps for now and hold them for the movie.
I see false postings saying there is no movie, that Skipp Porteous wanted nothing to do with me or AB, etc. These are signs of desperation, i.e. when you start resorting to outright lies in order to convince others of your point. Frankly, guys…it’s pathetic. As far as Rackstraw, every time you bring him or Colbert up in a discussion, I ask you the same thing: Do you believe Rackstraw was the hijacker? And that’s always the point you begin to duck and weave. Try standing up for something sometime…and avoid lying in order to make your point.
Colbert may have a finger on the media, but he’s going to have to have more than some crazy code stuff to convince Hollywood producers to put up millions for a major motion picture. The people I am working with now asked me a question long ago. They asked:
“Why hasn’t there ever been a movie done on DB Cooper?”
My answer: “Because, until now…no one could write the ending.” 🙂
I’m fairly sure they will end up doing the movie on Christiansen’s life. When they will start production shooting is anyone’s guess. I have to admit the teaser reel was pretty exciting though. If you had mod powers over at our little forum, you could have seen it by now. And maybe get informed on a few things you aren’t aware of now. I am not worried about this movie stuff. Either they will run with it, or they won’t. But they’ve already spent a great deal of money, and not all of it has been on me. In fact, I already received assurances that if production shooting doesn’t start by the cutoff date, (January 23, 2019) that they will definitely pick up the option for at least one more year and boost my payment by another $1,000. In other words, this is a real company putting their money where their mouths are…and this works for me until either they drop the option, or make the picture.
Quote: “First, Rackstraw is in strong denial, sometimes very angry denial at being accused of being Cooper. He has gone public with it, gone vocal about it. Traditionally, this is what INNOCENT people do. Guilty people more often dodge and weave and hide. Rackstraw does none of that.
Second, it’s always been my opinion that anyone with BLUE eyes just has to be discounted unless you go with the colored contact idea. And besides…Rackstraw was approximately twenty years younger than most of the witness descriptions. That’s hard to get around, too much of an age difference.
Third, Tina Mucklow dismissed him outright and was provided not only pictures, but a video where Rackstraw speaks. That’s REALLY tough to get around.” Unquote
True points…but why can’t you apply such reasoning and objectivity to Kenny C? There are several other key points that both you and Colbert “dodge, weave and hide” from. I took this quote out of context because you always tend to layer in things that would force others to do research on what you claim. To get caught in just a few lies is bad enough, but Mr bLIEvens, you do so over and over and over. The pathology of your behavior is YOUR doing. You call some of us “haters,” that’s simply not the case…we hate what you do! And…you’re doing it mainly to yourself. You certainly must be lacking in self-respect, because most people would be too ashamed to continue the way you do. Colbert must also be smart enough to know that Rackstaw doesn’t fit, yet he too plows right ahead with it anyway…the result is disinformation being hoist upon people and thwarting justice itself. A pattern of such desperation has always been in the backdrop of high crimes these days.
Nanette and I only present evidence that fully fits, we don’t “force fit” anything in naming Jack Tarrance as the author of the documents. We also and readily present any evidence that’s available that would tend to show that he didn’t carry out one particular crime or another that we’ve linked. I myself allow for the distinct possibility that he himself didn’t carry out the Ramsey murder, even despite the fact that JT initials are all over the RN, a FLOVA hint is on the RN and a JT hint was drawn on her hand. However, in the Cooper caper, Nanette thinks that Jack made the jump himself. At one time I was rightfully skeptical of this idea….but now it turns out to have been a distinct possibility, leaning strongly on probable . And, it turns out that his description also fully fits the bill. For years now, naming Tarrance as a Zodiac killer suspect has been vehemently opposed, but never with merit. Profound in this is the fact that only the specific description of Tarrance fully fits, while the darling suspects never fit whatsoever! In summary, the only valid suspect so far for the Cooper caper, is Jack Tarrance.
Add-on: I’m going to give you one good reason (based on inside information) on WHY Colbert will never convince Hollywood producers to do his version of Cooper. (Unless he changes a bunch of names and situations enmasse)
He won’t be able to get a release from Rackstraw, that’s why. And no one in Hollywood is crazy enough to make a picture on Cooper naming a real person without a release. I had to get a release from both KC’s family and the Geestman family. Without it, the production company would have backed off their offer to me. So I got them the releases. Colbert might be able make a picture on Cooper, but he will have to change names and situations and it will be a fictional movie loosely based on the Cooper case.
The reason is….Rackstraw would probably sue the hell out of them. But it will never reach that point because no production company in their right mind would consider making such a film without a release from the principal person involved. The best they could get away with might be like one of those Law and Order episodes where they tell you it’s fictional, but sort-of based on a real case.
Blevins…The self proclaimed expert on everything……And the man who can sniff out other’s lies. Lol. KC too short, NO criminal records, gay, prefers young boys, static jumps only, works for NWA many years after 1971. Brother dreamed up the story and peddled it to a science fiction writer, and a PI who never met his co-author. All of Blevins lies for sale at Adventure Books in Auburn, Washinton, home of Auburn Days, where Robert Blevins had been summarily dismissed…….probably for LYING!!
“Blevins…The self proclaimed expert on everything……And the man who can sniff out other’s lies. Lol. KC too short, NO criminal records, gay, prefers young boys, static jumps only, works for NWA many years after 1971. Brother dreamed up the story and peddled it to a science fiction writer, and a PI who never met his co-author. All of Blevins lies for sale at Adventure Books in Auburn, Washinton, home of Auburn Days, where Robert Blevins had been summarily dismissed…….probably for LYING!!”
‘PROBABLY for lying?’ Don’t sugar coat it for people. Give it to them straight. You are the one telling the lies, especially lately. You have not a shred of evidence that Kenny Christiansen was a child rapist, yet you keep posting up that garbage even though Bruce Smith has warned you time and again about it. You present not a single witness, not a bit of evidence to support that statement. On the other hand, I presented actual testimony from a guy (Kenneth ‘Mac’ McWilliams) who lived with KC for years and testified that Kenny had NORMAL relationships…(yes, Mr LGBT-hater, gay relationships are NORMAL). You are a gay basher for sure. One thing I’ve pointed out to people is that even Kenny’s parents were worried when he said he was joining the paratroopers. Back in those days, if the Army found out, you either got a dishonorable discharge, or a trip to Leavenworth at worst. Kenny managed to keep all that under wraps, and served honorably. Took a lot of guts to do that back in those days.
Your other, more reasonable points I will address for you. Static jumper? Probably yes. This is why I think Cooper, since he used a single parachute, probably pulled the cord right on the airstairs, waited for the chute to squid out, and simply let it take him away. ‘377,’ a respected member of Cooper Heaven, has also voiced that theory.
Your posts are beginning to sound like Georger’s at Cooper Heaven. Not saying you ARE him…but there are similarities. He also used to mention Auburn, Auburn Days, our cleaning biz, come after the messenger with insulting comments like you, etc. Wouldn’t surprise me if you are him. Easy to do that when you hide behind a rock as you do LOL. Anyone can do that, even some grade school kid with internet access. 🙂 Truth is, you haven’t got the nerve to back up your statements by qualifying them with an identity. As Kurt Russell said in ‘The Thing,’ “It likes to hide behind an imitation…” That would be YOU.
Yes, I suppose I’m not bad at sniffing out lies, but it’s easier for me to do this when speaking to someone face to face. Marisa Kagan at History Channel was much better at it than I was, though. 🙂
And no…I am NOT the expert on everything.
Here’s Johnnie…(*laughs*) Dear Mr Uninformed: The reason we don’t work with the Auburn Days Festival anymore is because the new mayor moved the festival venue from downtown to Les Gove Park a few years ago. So the Auburn Theater was no longer used for the festival. Gayla and I did six happy years on the Planning Committee for the festival, and were responsible for the theater events. When they no longer were using the theater for all that, we retired from participation. Our favorite year there wasn’t when we did the early presentations on Kenny…it was when we ran classic sci fi films all day and gave out free snacks and drinks. 🙂 Now that was fun.
I don’t think Rackstraw is Cooper but his life story has what Hollywood seeks. Kenny had a very dull normal life with nothing exciting to put on the big screen. except for causing a whole town to gossip about his actions with run away teens. those crazy things you do while keeping a low profile as a hijacker…
Yes, Rackstraw was younger but that doesn’t matter since you blow off the description anyway. people can look older than there actual age but you can’t make yourself taller without it being noticed. 5′ 8″ will never be mistaken for 6′ especially when the main witness is also 5′ 8″ and stood right next to him 🙂
“crazy code stuff” yeah, he needs to find money from the mid 80’s to really get things going 🙂
You know what, it’s sounds like you are just jealous of Colbert 🙂 instead of being a hater towards Tom you should be working with him. sound familiar? 🙂
It’s 3 am your time. I’ll bet this will keep you up all day since you don’t sleep at night…
Work with Tom Colbert? Why would I work with someone who has successfully ruined a man’s life by hounding him on national TV with a bunch of lies? Not that Rackstraw is Mr Perfect, but I don’t think he deserved what he got, and continues to endure from Colbert. He will have to wait until Rackstraw dies before any movie will be made, and even then he’d better hope Rackstraw’s family is willing to sign a release.
At least you admit you don’t believe Rackstraw was the hijacker. As far as a ‘whole town gossiping’ about Kenny’s actions, I interviewed several of his neighbors and never heard a whisper from any of them concerning Kenny’s behavior. You talk about ‘a town,’ but conveniently ignore the fact that the best witness, a guy who lived with Kenny for years, disputed you and your members’ ugly and base characterizations.
And how about ‘Johnnie Greene’? He belong to you? Sounds like he does. If someone like that were registered at MY website on Cooper…I would have perma-banned him long ago. You would never do that. Your policy is to allow everyone and anyone, as long as they are willing to bash either me, AB of Seattle, Gayla…even my cat. Your credibility in the Cooper case is absolute zero except for a few hard core members…and even some of THEM have come to me privately with messages sometimes.
Robert, give the “bashing” a break..you have come after a dead friend of mine, you have attacked my political views publicly. you have been whining about my forum since 2014. you have called me and others “sleezy lowlifes” you had a moderator who was supposed to control the forum call Bruce Smith a “scumbag”…doesn’t matter if it was in the past..it’s no different than your 10 million filthy comments from 2011 you try and use..
Tom could come on here and do the very same thing you try here with us. he could tell you all about Hollywood and connections galore.. doesn’t matter what you think of his suspect, it’s the same you tell us..or is it that you only want people to work with YOU?
of course when you talk with people it’s always a different story..not a whisper, zip, right? BS.
this is a full time job for you..I heard all about you going around all the Rackstraw sites with all your childish remarks…ame thing you blast others here for with Kenny, but it’s okay for old Robert to do it…
as I said before, your just jealous of Tom..plain and simple.. 🙂
Well, first off Dave…I am not jealous of Tom Colbert. That’s ridiculous. My remarks at certain articles regarding Rackstraw are not ‘childish’. Every time I was able to comment on one of those articles, I merely stated the opposing view with the same three points: Rackstraw too young, Rackstraw with blue eyes, and Rackstraw completely rejected by witness Tina Mucklow. That was basically it. If you want to call that childish, be my guest. I never went after the man personally. But neither would I want to work with him because he’s going after a living person and ruining the guy’s life. Not that Rackstraw is Mr Angel or anything, but since Colbert has no hard proof on Rackstraw, or even some solid witnesses, it seems unfair to do that. At least with Kenny we have both families supporting our allegations, as well as many outside witnesses who I actually named and provided their current contact information for verification.
That moderator at the former version of the AB Forum was banned for life for his name calling. I did it myself. Have you banned Georger? He’s slacked off on it lately, (and I appreciate it) but on YOUR website he hasn’t used name calling just ONCE…but SCORES of times. And even when I presented you with the evidence, you refused to remove even a single one of his name calling junk posts. So…you can climb right down off that high horse right now.
And how about answering MY question? Are you now…or have you ever been…associated with the person posting here using the name ‘Johnnie Greene’? Be honest now. And it’s easy for both you and Bruce to know what’s what on that. Every time someone makes a comment to a WordPress article…their IP address is recorded in a log that the site owner can see. It would be a simple matter for Bruce to send you his IP…and then you compare it to your member list of IP addresses. Simple. Maybe you already know the answer? How about it, Dave? Does he belong to you?
I don’t know a lot about Hollywood works except for a few basic things. One of them is no production company in their right mind will agree to a film about a living person without a release…if that show is going to claim they are responsible for a major crime…and that crime has not yet been proven. No, I don’t have ‘contacts’ in Hollywood except the people I’m signed with now.
The confidentiality agreement I signed prevents me from revealing certain information. In fact, I have suggested a few times (HERE at Bruce’s place) that there is no use even discussing Kenny right now because I can’t reveal everything we know as of August 2018. Without that, there is no use talking about him.
The new version of the AB Forum I had to privatize and start screening members after the Nicky Incident. He caused a lot of trouble for both of us. I took steps to ensure that would never happen again. About the only REALLY bad thing I ever did to you was to pull your string about your friend, but I guess after all the times you and some of your members have come after me and mine personally (54 or so screenshots don’t lie, Dave) I finally lost my temper. And I apologized for that. You, on the other hand, never believe you ever do anything wrong. EVER. Or sponsor anything in bad taste, or just plain wrong.
How about it? Are you associated with ‘Johnnie Greene’? His posts read a lot like Georger’s. Not saying it’s him…but it’s suspicious. You don’t have to tell me who he is. Just tell everyone here, right now..whether he is currently a member of your site. And if the answer is yes, why he’s still a member.
Dave: I should address your political reference. Don’t you remember? Right after Trump got elected you sent me an email rubbing that in my face because you knew we were supporting the other candidate. So because of the circumstances lately…I finally went public with a response. I won’t ask you how you feel about supporting him now. Considering present circumstances, that would be hitting a bit below the belt.
You are a pathetic, old man, Blevins. And I will add….HYPOCRIT. You accuse others of using fake names to post, but you are the king of fake names. Using Shutter’s site to gain entry after you were barred. Then you bragged about it. Besmerched the good name of Shutter’s deceased friend. What kind of man are you? And posting as Gayla to protect your own ass? Trying to make us believe that Gayla really posted? All acts of cowardice, Blevins. And hypocracy. Calling me a hater of LGBT? Because i called Ken Christianson a PEDOPHILE? THAT makes me a hater? Where did you receive your education, Blevins? You have many loose screws, dude. Bruce has given you a platform to which you should be stripped. You have berated Bruce in many past instances and he still let’s you post.
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Robert, um yes, an email…NOT PUBLIC…it wasn’t rubbing your face either, it explaining something..regardless what it was…YOU made it public…try your BS with someone else..you don’t even understand your own statement…
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Really? Looks like YOU are the one with all the name-calling and false accusation troubles. Bruce’s site isn’t ‘compromised’. It’s just that people like you continue to forment hate and discord by using names and making inflammatory posts. YOU are the problem. All anyone has seen from you is hateful posts, name calling, etc. You have a lot of nerve pointing to me, I will tell you that.
Yesterday marked a year that my friend has been gone..I met him in 1979, I believe. that’s a long time. Chuck was far from perfect, but he was my friend for many years who always had my back. I’ve never met anyone who comes close to that man..biker, tough, yes, but he also had a heart of gold and would give you his last dollar! he would take a bullet for me, just as I would of done for him..when we were younger, crap like that almost happened. he continued on that road while I took another turn but that never stopped the relationship we had..several of us even did the blood brother thingy with cutting the palms of your hand..he loved my dog who died not long before Chuck did. I have both there ashes together..I think Chuck would of liked that…
Dave Brown
aka Shutter..
Nice post, and from the heart, Shutter. Putting the ashes of your two best friends together shows your love and sincerity to the memory of your friends. Nice to see a post like this. God bless them both.
Johnnie.
That’s a lot of comments all right. As far as Shutter’s last comment, it was a legit question on my part. I would like to know if ‘Johnnie Greene’ is part of his entourage or not? It’s a fair question, especially seeing ‘Johnnie’s’ posts. The fact that Shutter ignored that question tells me something, because if ‘Johnnie’ were NOT associated with him, I think Shutter would have jumped on that real quick. As in: “Hell, NO he isn’t a member of MY website! I wouldn’t have someone like him.” Well, neither would I. I banned one of our moderators for just ONE incident. ‘Johnnie’ goes on like there’s no tomorrow.
If he IS…then I say Shutter has no leg to stand on regarding ‘attacks’ or anything else. Not if he allows his own members to say the hateful things ‘Johnnie’ has engaged in. It is as simple as that.
Well, how about it Shutter? I don’t care who he is. I don’t need to know his real username. But is he…or is he NOT associated with you?
wrong, as usual Robert..I have no idea who Johnny is nor do I care…just because he agree’s with certain points I comment on leads you to this? o wonder you believe everyone….I think this is the second or third time stating this…..
amazing
Okay. I will accept your answer. You are on record. He is not a current member of Cooper Heaven. That’s all I wanted to know. Frankly, that’s encouraging. Shows you keep out the riff-raff anyway, as we do at the AB Forum. Thank you for your answer.
LOL, our location and main website for Adventure Books is not exactly a big secret there ‘Johnnie’. We went live on the internet this very month in 2006. 🙂 You are nobody, just some shadow, a coward (yes) who bushwhacks from behind rocks, so as not to take responsibility. Anyone can do that. Even some kid with a smartphone. I see Shutter has distanced himself from you and said you aren’t a member of Cooper Heaven.
No wonder. 🙂
“Chuck was far from perfect, but he was my friend for many years who always had my back. I’ve never met anyone who comes close to that man…”
I get it. Yes, I can understand it. And yes…I already apologized for my comments about him. Are you going to answer my question regarding ‘Johnnie’? Otherwise I have to assume it’s Georger. I already know the nature of the posts many of your members do. For example, 377 and Robert99 would never stoop to posting up ugly stuff like ‘Johnnie’ has.
And who said I posted for Gayla? Don’t you understand why she did? (And why I asked her not to do that anymore?) She showed up here after the meeting with Greg, when he dumped all those printed pages of screenshots on us. She went through the roof, almost literally. 🙂
that post does not concern you Robert…
Well, of course it doesn’t. Are you going to answer my question or dodge it?
“You accuse others of using fake names to post, but you are the king of fake names. Using Shutter’s site to gain entry after you were barred. Then you bragged about it. Besmerched the good name of Shutter’s deceased friend. What kind of man are you? And posting as Gayla to protect your own ass? Trying to make us believe that Gayla really posted? All acts of cowardice, Blevins. And hypocracy. Calling me a hater of LGBT? Because i called Ken Christianson a PEDOPHILE? THAT makes me a hater? Where did you receive your education, Blevins? You have many loose screws, dude. Bruce has given you a platform to which you should be stripped. You have berated Bruce in many past instances and he still let’s you post…”
Bruce can ban me whenever he wishes. And stop twisting the facts here. Trouble? YOU’RE the one accusing KC of being a pedophile without a shred of evidence, a witness, or any sort of proof. I would call that trouble indeed. Shows desperation on your part, and that you willing to say anything, do anything, no matter how ugly, to make a point. And not even a LEGIT point LOL.
Yes, I joined Cooper Heaven for a couple of days, years ago, with a username. Big deal. I didn’t post up anything bad, and I told everyone who I was two days later. So what?
Yes, Gayla did post here once, after she saw the screenshots. I already told you that.
As far as stripping platforms, YOU are the one who should be banned. Nothing comes from you except hate and ugly. And there has been quite enough of that in the Cooper case, you know. And if you belong to Cooper Heaven, you are not only making THEM look bad, but Shutter as well. If you were a member of my site…you could post anything here you wished…but I would ban you from the AB Forum like yesterday. 🙂
can you read Robert, it was posted between your rants…
I wasn’t ranting. I was making a point. And your response showed up after I did. Okay…I will take your word that he is not a member of your website. And like I said back there, this is encouraging. Believe it or not, and whether you WANT it or not…I have a bit more respect for you.
I don’t care what you think about me…I don’t play childish games like that..I have to constantly remind you that this is just a hobby for me..I have no goals or do I seek fame or fortune..it’s just a forum, one of millions on the internet..people join it, and people view it just like the millions mentioned above..
Add-On: I am hoping at some point that either here, or maybe some other comment thread that Bruce chooses (or not) to establish…that folks might want actually discuss the Cooper case, rather than everyone going after each other like a pack of wolves. It’s pointless.
“I don’t care what you think about me…I don’t play childish games like that..I have to constantly remind you that this is just a hobby for me..I have no goals or do I seek fame or fortune..it’s just a forum, one of millions on the internet..people join it, and people view it just like the millions mentioned above…”
Well, okay. I’m glad we settled that we’re not seeking fame and fortune anyway. 🙂 Anyone who expects that from DB Cooper is outright nuts. Frankly, Cooper is a big PITA to me most of the time.
And of course you care what we (AB staff) think about you. Come on, when our forum was public you were checking in all the time. You just said you used a proxy. And you responded over at your place on our posts many times. I don’t have a problem with that, but you should be honest to yourself. No worries. No one is discussing your site over there. It is not allowed. EVER.
Non-Cooper Department, but Totally Crazy:
A mechanic for Horizon Airlines stole one of their twin-turboprop puddle jumpers and made an unauthorized takeoff (no passengers or other crew) from SeaTac Airport. A few minutes later he crashed it into Ketron Island. He was described as ‘suicidal’ by authorities.
My first thought was that it was a good thing he didn’t point that plane toward downtown Seattle. They couldn’t have stopped him in time. Fortunately, Ketron Island is sparsely populated and no one on the ground was hurt.
https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/live-plane-stolen-from-sea-tac-airport-crashes-on-small-island-no-passengers-on-board/281-582563371
Add on: Two fighters scrambled out of McChord AFB to stop him. If you watch the video long enough, you can see where one of the jets catches up and starts shadowing him. I’m pretty sure the fighter pilot got orders to shoot him down as soon as he passed over Ketron and reached open water again…but that’s a guess. Could be why Mr Crazy decided to take a nose down at the end. Other news articles are showing a big mushroom plume drifting over Ketron. Oh, brother.
The way you sum up things shows exactly what you are doing with this case. the people I have spoken with went to your site to see the ridiculous things you were writing about us. you automatically believe if someone views something they are interested in you? wow.
Hello, is there anybody in there….
I’ve been telling you for years it’s not a competition for me..I actually do things other than sit at a computer all night and post things to annoy people. typically, when a person knows they are not wanted around will get the hint and leave..not you….it’s a game for you. that’s all it is..you even admitted to it stating you come here for fun and entertainment. I believe it’s nothing more than spamming…
Oh, come on Shutter. You aren’t the ONLY one interested in the Cooper case. ‘Post stuff up that annoys people’? I’m not exactly the ‘Johnnie Greene’ type, you know. Mostly I come here and post because I know that until we re-open the AB Forum to public traffic, this is about the only way certain folks can get updates on what we’re doing. Believe it or not, I get a fair number of emails each week with this question or that question.
Just because you and a few select people don’t care about that, does not mean no one else does. For one thing, I have started to direct some of the questions I get from the public or people at Quora, to here.
However, I’ve started to believe that you might be right and posting here is more of a PITA that it’s worth. I’m kicking around the idea of re-opening the AB Forum to the public, which would be preferably maybe to posting here and just listening to abuse. At least over there, I can post up reasonable updates and other people can’t jump on board with the Nasty Stuff. About the only bad thing I ever did to you personally was to make those comments about your friend. But you and a couple of your members have sometimes made a science out of attacks on us over at YOUR place. Let’s be honest here about this. More than fifty pages of screenshots show that easily. (However, I will give it to you that you seem to have gotten a handle on that lately.) So…I finally (yes) lost my temper.
If you really wanted to get rid of me here, why don’t you just tell Bruce: “It’s either Blevins or YOU.” Meaning either Bruce bans me from this site or you ban HIM from Cooper Heaven. He would go along with you on that in a heartbeat. And believe or not, I would go along with that and not even get angry at Bruce about it. Frankly, I’m tired of reading some of the things I’ve seen around here anyway. Especially the outright lies by some folks (not you or Bruce) saying you’ve got hold of the production company, lies about Skipp Porteous and our relationship with him, other stuff, etc etc. It gets tiresome.
Not only that, but even when I post up legit Cooper News, mostly it is ignored and all I see are more attacks. I don’t see the point of going on with that.
And…if there isn’t any interest in the AB Forum being reopened, then I would like to hear about that from Cooper Folks as well. I was planning on making it public eventually, but not until they make an announcement on the movie. So I have come to a decision. *I want to see at least five known Cooper folk come here and assert that they would like the AB Forum opened again to public traffic. Otherwise, I will leave it as it is. ‘I don’t care’ will be taken as a no.*
If the vote is positive, I will reopen the site. If not, I will leave it as it is. I keep wondering why you care that I post here anyway…since you have your own DB Cooper forum to worry about. It’s almost as if you think more people are now visiting these comment threads than are dropping by your place. I have no idea on that, since I am not the owner of this site, but I suspect Bruce is picking up a lot of traffic lately.
“…especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.
Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters.”
Uh, Bruce. You are going to have to explain some of this at some point. I never made ‘personal threats’ to posters, I was not ‘banned from the DBC Forum for past behaviors’, I was PRE-banned before the site even went live when you guys were discussing this elsewhere after the Dropzone thread closed…and character assassination is going on here right now. Some by you right there, more of it by ‘Johnnie Greene’ and others.
And if I’m so awful, terrible, and a generally bad person…why haven’t you banned me from this site by now? You also fail to mention that you were offered $15,000 by the production company working with us on creating the first-ever dramatic, full-length feature film on Cooper….simply to review maybe 20-30 pages of the script. An offer you rejected without even checking it out. If I disliked you so much, I wouldn’t have spent months trying to convince you to come on board.
Little unfair on us over here at AB, don’t you think? 🙂
Hello, anybody in there?
people in the Cooper community appear to want nothing to do with you…what part of that don’t you understand..even bribes didn’t work..24/7 trying to discredit people..then, like a little school boy who doesn’t get his way resorts to tattle tailing on people..”we warned them, we sent them links” etc. etc. we don’t have much of this year left so you can no longer say your not 65 years old…but can say, going on 13 with ease 🙂
you play too many games..you are untruthful, full of hatred that you claim others have. you flood forums with off topic rants and personal BS stories trying to prove something, who knows what it is..
Even if it wasn’t you I don’t think anyone would believe Kenny was Cooper. people who actually research the case..the public just falls for things that appear to be true only looking at the surface of a story..
Newsflash, people in the Cooper community don’t believe Kenny was Cooper..even your buddy 377, or Tom Kaye & Sluggo never believed Kenny was Cooper. you are a male Jo Weber…it’s your whole life…you are all hours of the night proving it…
🙂
Edit: you are UP all hours of the night….
LOL I also sleep all hours of the day sometimes.
“Newsflash, people in the Cooper community don’t believe Kenny was Cooper..even your buddy 377, or Tom Kaye & Sluggo never believed Kenny was Cooper…”
Tell me one time Cooperland ever agreed on anything. That community argues every little point in the case. ‘Every day, all the time…’ as the Eagles once said. I don’t know where you get the idea I’m trying to convince you guys of anything. The Cooper community is slanted. Always has been, always WILL be. Goes back years all the way to the early days at Dropzone, even before I ever posted there. Besides, you folks aren’t the people I’m really trying to reach anyway. It’s this other group, called ‘The Public,’ and in my book they count a lot more than a narrow group who are fans of the case.
That isn’t meant to be an insult. It’s just the way things are. I have no problem with waiting to open the AB Forum to the public until the announcement comes on the upcoming picture. I just wanted to see if there was any interest in allowing Cooperland to view what’s going on. If not, I am okay with that no problem.
Actually, I misquoted the Eagles. It’s ‘Everything…all the time.’ 🙂
Robert, many disagree with just about all the suspects…nothing slanted about it..it is what it is dude. deal with it…that’s what’s so hard for you and why you continue to post here..the same would happen if anyone else was presenting Kenny…just about everyone on my forum doesn’t believe Rackstraw is Cooper…does that mean they are slanted? what about Weber, LD..all slanted views? they too believe they found Cooper…and Reca…case closed, right? you keep talking about my forum. we all know you are just jealous,,,
what happens here Robert? no arguments here right, only 2,000 plus comments full of them. that’s your middle name….you have to start coming up with things you don’t do that you whine about…you lie telling people you don’t lie lmao..your the type that tells people you came in second and fail to tell them only two people were involved 🙂
Personally, I would agree with you but we would both be wrong 🙂
Hmm…well, I will give it to you that no one agrees on any of the suspects, not just KC. In reality, the subject of KC should be on a Big Freeze anyway because of the confidentiality agreement we have with the studio. Until they take that duct tape off my mouth, there’s nothing I can really add about him. I have to tell you though…besides the testimony regarding Agent John Jarvis, we do have a few things in the evidentiary bag. But that’s not a concern right now.
I get these emails occasionally. ‘Why can’t I see your forum?’ They mean the AB Forum. Then I have to go into some explanation about it and I get tired of that. So I have considered re-opening to the public lately. It’s not a big deal site. Only six members and not that many posts anyway. Mainly I set it up in case the Cooper movie gets green-lighted, and I think they are close. They’ve been in meetings constantly down there for the last two weeks. They tell me to be patient. Whatever.
Yes, I have lied ONCE regarding the Cooper case. I don’t think there have been other times. Years ago, when I was sure I was going to get a copy of the Palmer Report from the University of Portland, I said it was coming. Then when it DIDN’T end up coming, (they said they couldn’t find a copy) I lied and said I had it. Yeah, so there is that. On the house I was mistaken. I took peoples’ word that was the Real Deal on his house. But you know what? The truth is actually MORE weird. Geestman involved in the sale, a promissory note for half the amount and no one knows the arrangements. Some of this stuff I should be checking out, but I barely have any free time although you wouldn’t think it according to the hours I keep sometimes.
Sometimes we work here from around 9AM to 2PM and then I’ve been known to fall asleep until nearly midnight. That has been a problem. Then I have to tackle two car deals at the same time very soon, (sell the Nissan ZX, sell the Pathfinder, buy a Nissan Xterra with the money. Camping is out until at least late next month.
You know, you could easily get Bruce to ban me from this site. I already explained how and I don’t have a problem with it. If you really don’t want to see me anymore here, just contact him privately and do what I suggested.
I get these emails occasionally. ‘Why can’t I see your forum?’ They mean the AB Forum. Then I have to go into some explanation about it and I get tired of that. So I have considered re-opening to the public lately.
Robert, you are a broken record…here’s an idea…DON’T do things that get you shutdown. stop being so hateful and vindictive. it’s the main reason nobody likes YOU. you have to be pretty ignorant to not see this. if you are not violating the sites TOS nothing can be done to hurt you. you are the sole reason it gets shutdown, because of your behavior. do you understand this?
Basically, you are saying it’s ok to run to producers and say a bunch of things write dozens of articles with hateful things but it’s not ok for someone to tell your site provider about TOS violations that you are guilty of? does that sum it up in your world? you are LOADED with excuses for everything you do..
you are no different than the rest with suspects..most of you guys lose your minds and get angry when people don’t agree with you…”detractors, haters, don’t want the truth” then you spend time down playing things that hurt a suspect and go after the person who posted it..you guys should start a union…ban together and crush us shout us down?
Give it all a rest, really…
Hey…come on now. Let’s be fair here. Just give me the word and I will email you all fifty or so screenshots from your site, going back YEARS, where you guys trash talk me with no way for me to respond. Now that is a FACT and we both know this.
No one at the current version of the AB Forum is violating the TOS, or making negative posts about your website or its members, (which I call Cooper Heaven). That activity is strictly off-limits.
No one likes me? I have plenty of real friends, thank you. The opinions of a few people on your website, especially with its history of anti-Blevins stuff, well…maybe I USED to care, but those days are gone. I just don’t have time to worry about what you guys say or believe anymore and that’s the truth. I have the production companies to deal with, two vehicles to sell and another one to buy, and yes I do work, just not full time anymore. And I have a video-based camping trip with Kyle and another person from Cooperland to plan for September. “I have enough friends,” as Bruce Willis once said in one of his Lethal Weapon pictures. 🙂
Shutter: I don’t get angry when people disagree with me. I get angry when they use dirty tricks doing it. Big difference. As far as your website goes, I gave up worrying about that. Truth is, I just don’t care that much anymore what you guys say over there. I don’t mean that in a bad way. It is just the way things are now.
I will take your posting as a ‘no’ vote on making the AB Forum public.
*For Everyone Else*: Camping trip is tentatively planned for the weekend of Friday, September 7th until Monday morning September 10th. We’re shooting a video doing a general discussion on the history of the Cooper case. Right now three people are scheduled to attend this campout, which will be in the Forest Service area above the Skykomish River near Shelton, WA. These discussions could be extensive, so I may break up the video into Parts One and Two for YouTube. I also want to allow Kyle to tell his story again, since the wind and traffic noise was pretty bad when we filmed at Kenny’s old house. I can always insert still shots for background.
Shutter: There is one small thing I forgot. We do not post negative stuff about either you, your members, or your website on the newest version of the AB Forum. It is strictly not allowed. EVER.
I’ve already heard those other arguments from you already. We changed OUR policy. You haven’t changed a thing and every negative post your members ever made still exists at YOUR place, along with the rather funny dancing icon ‘Suspects’ page you have that only lists ONE suspect. I’m okay with all that these days, but it does prove a point, and the point is that you are always coming after us, but believe you never do anything wrong. I’ve kind of let that all pass by as well.
And the next time you keep harping on my age, I’m going to challenge you to a trip up to Camp Muir on Rainier and we will see who gets there first. 🙂
I can return the favor of the dozens of screenshots of your behavior, including members of your forum? I’m not talking about people in the real world Robert. i’m talking about forums like this one.
I’ll talk about your age as long as I wish..try acting it and you won’t get hassled so much.
Robert, if you haven’t noticed you are not liked very much on this thread either. you think everything is a game. do you really think I have time to fly across the country to chase you up a mountain?
of course nothing is said on your forum, nobody can see it so you dump it here. you are clueless dude. I’m sure you have a couple more hours to post the average 3 in a row…
The evidence is abundant and clear that bLIEvens is taunting everyone with his repeated lying and his lack of acknowledgement of that fact. It’s tantamount to a PSYOP, that’s how it functions. His public record very clearly shows that he knows exactly what he’s doing, so the cover of acting like a three year old isn’t valid. It’s a pattern of behavior that the Deep State operatives resort to on a daily basis. Fortunately, and as Abe Lincoln once stated “You can’t fool all of the people all of the time.” By now it’s pretty clear that there probably won’t ever be a Cooper movie naming Kenny C. Doing so would be like putting a noose around the necks of those that produce it. If it does happen, then mark my word, it’s more of the same of the pattern of behavior that I’ve already pointed out.
Notice also how important it’s been to bLIEvens that he hasn’t and apparently can’t figure out who Johnnie Greenie is. Notice also how bLIEvens quickly dismisses the evidence that I myself present, evidence that stands on it’s own merit. You see, the guy that wrote the linking documents involved, carefully and apparently engineered the evidence to be conclusive. Opponents could resort to arguing that the writings were the work of a copy-cat, but there are plenty of subtle hints that show that it was the same person that composed all of the documents, and this can be added to the evidence that it was the same handwriting involved too. For example, a careful comparison of the way two of the words “The” on the Ramsey ransom note are identical in structure, compares directly to an identical example on a Zodiac killer document that’s called the “Paradice Slaves” document. The examples are found on line 22 of the first page and line 7 of the second page. The same goes for the little daggers found on the DB Cooper SKY MARSHALLS envelope…and these same hints have actually been somewhat, if not completely hidden from public view for several years, thus making them not only compelling, but conclusive evidence of linkage to the Ramsey
ransom note. On this whole phony thread, there’s been no engagement or acknowledgement of the
FACT that the FBI’s FOIA NORJAC/Cooper files have multiple instances of “BD” Cooper documents, which in turn shows that these were not mistakes, but intentional writings. The PSYOPS do not fool me, and the malarkey that the Ramsey’s were responsible for the murder of JonBenet has almost completely dissolved. Bear in mind that many many people never bought that the parents or their son was involved. Anyone with even a modicum of brain power can review the basic evidence of her death and immediately know that it was no accident, nor did it stem from an accident.
Uh, okay. Whatever you say. Yes. I really think I will take both of you guys’ advice to heart.
Anyone can see that both of you make a lot of sense…. 🙂
I have a trip to plan, work to do today, whatever.
UPDATE: The camping/video shoot trip up the Skykomish River Valley to Forest Service Road 23 and beyond has been RE-SCHEUDULED to the following weekend, i.e. Friday morning September 14th to Monday morning September 17th. Any Cooper fans or armchair investigators local to the Seattle/Puget Sound area are welcome to contact me on how to attend. So far, three of us will be going, with a fourth person a maybe.
(Note: These types of announcements do not fall under the category of ‘dumping your stuff here,’ as has been said recently. Like the announcement I made on the recent money find video at YouTube, they are courtesy notices.)
*No Big Deal Update*: Got some email and a couple of tweets from AB fans saying our main website has a notice at the top saying we are expired. No worries. This happened once before and I have a message in to Support. Every few years, they (webs dot com) do this to us…and every few years I have to remind them we’ve had a monthly PayPal withdrawal authorized to them for about twelve years now. Then they apologize and fix it. They even send us t shirts occasionally, probably because we’ve been with them for so long.
No, we’re not closing the site. 🙂
Final Update: (There are enough comments here already, well over a thousand) The AB Forum has been opened to the public. Don’t get too excited. Only a few members and most are lurkers anyway. This is no negative content onsite. Anywhere. One thread is mods and staff only, all others are now open. http://adventurebooks.boards.net/
Back from a 2 week vaca and I see it’s the same old song and dance here at the mwn. I learned something recently from the son of a northwest orient mechanic who was working that night and was tasked with packing the money in a nwo bag claims it’s was actually 250k and not 200k given to cooper and also mentioned that something that was never publicized was that cooper took 6 nwo box lunches with him. Has anybody in cooperlandia heard this before?
Yes, Nicky. The statements by ground personnel regarding the 250K was discussed at length at the DBC Forum about a year ago. I endeavored to contact the individual, but he did not return any phone calls. As for the food, it has been widely discussed, including in my book. The first thing the bomb sniffing dogs did in Reno was eat the food, Rataczak told me.
Thanks Bruce! I’ll see if I can dig up the discussion.
box meals were brought on the plane…it’s in the FBI files…
8 box meals…
Planning mid-September trip to the Olympics for a four-day campout and a video shoot. Two round table discussions are scheduled. One on the Cooper case in general, (with very LITTLE emphasis on Christiansen) and the other about the recent Horizon Air incident. Four people scheduled to attend so far, with a fifth person a maybe. The public is invited under certain conditions, which means they have to arrange it with me so they know what they are getting into and don’t get themselves lost, which is very possible in the Olympics. There are so many spur roads not shown on maps that even I have been known to be ‘bewildered’ for a while up there, as Daniel Boone once said. 🙂
The funny thing is…I actually went to Goodwill and bought a round table to take along. Might as well go authentic on it. I was not particularly happy with the recent video we did on the money find with Kyle, because of the damn traffic noise. So he’s taking some vacation days and coming along for a re-shoot. Where we are going, there IS no noise. Nothing but the silence of the wilderness up there.
In the old days, I used to really rough it. These days, I bring a 32 inch Samsung smart TV, flash drives loaded with movies and TV shows, stereo, bath shelter with shower and toilet and a table, and *most* of the comforts of home. Anyone local to the Puget Sound area, especially those with an interest in either the Ketron Island incident, or the Cooper case, is welcome to attend. I can guarantee that fun is certainly on the menu. We’re basically going with the same format we did for the Eclipse Trip last August to Oregon…only we don’t have to drive 350 miles each way this time. That was fun, too…but a hell of a drive there and back. 🙂
You can find all the public details HERE: http://adventurebooks.boards.net/threads/recent/8
Count me and Shutter as “possible.”
We need to meet, Blevins. We can play poker late into the night. Or Russian Roulette. Name your preference. But we really do need to meet. Bring Gayla this time.
Come on…Shutter lives in Florida, I live in Washington State. Not practical. Besides, anyone wanting to attend has to go through our regular channels, just like they did for the Eclipse trip. We don’t want to be responsible for anyone getting lost out there, or hurt. And they need to know how to prepare, and what we recommend they bring along. So far we have four people coming for sure, and a maybe. We pull the post when we reach eight or so. ‘Eight is Enough’.
Johnnie Greene says in part:
“We need to meet, Blevins. We can play poker late into the night. Or Russian Roulette. Name your preference…”
Okay. I pick either blackjack or pinochle. Either way, you will be taking Greyhound home. 🙂 I will pack you some bag meals for the trip, since you will probably be…as they say…without funds. 🙂
You are funny for sure. I updated the link to show where cell service IS possible after an uphill hike, and that we’re screening both the Treat Williams pic (picked up at Amazon) and the teaser reel on the upcoming Cooper flick. Why not, right?
Late Update: We’re showing the Treat Williams movie up there on DVD. Ordered from Amazon, only available in the European-PAL edition. I have an all-region DVD player. Found out long ago that some films you might want don’t always come in the USA-only version. I’m pretty excited. I haven’t actually seen this movie, except bits and pieces when they used to show it on television.
Nice piece in the Columbia today about Ullis, he did some good work on petey kudos to him for his report. I always thought petey was a good suspect unfortunately I can safely elimate petey from my list. Sheridan Peterson left Boeing in 64. The experimental titanium work for the sst at Boeing plant II started in 67. That’s important because the collection of the rare earth metals Kaye found on the tie collectively were used for only one purpose prior to 71 and I think probably still today and that’s the alloying (welding) of titanium alloys. In fact I couldn’t find a record of any other application or facility besides possibly on the Concorde sst In europe but they weren’t using as much titanium on the Concorde so I doubt it. I can confidently say the wearer of the tie found on coopers seat or between his seat whatever it was, he frequented Boeing plant II from 67 to 71. There is no way eagle eye joe would of picked up the yitirium, commercially pure ti, Barium sulfate, ect. All these ultra rare earth elements weren’t introduced to the Boeing plant until 67 when Boeing won the sst contract and the ti alloy welding/machining experiments began. This was cutting edge stuff back then and prior to 71 other then for the sst project nobody else was or had the need to weld titanium alloys it was an extremely rare practiced those days that can only be traced to one facility in the u.s. we’re people would be wearing clip on ties around and that’s the Boeing plant II. Put this all together and cooper was more likely then not an engineer on the sst project that kept his job. The fbi looked an ex employees but hardly looked it at all at current employees at that time (they had the wrong profile). We can give the fbi to much credit there human too and cooper was ahead of the curb they got it wrong. Knowing the above that leaves only one suspect on my list at this juncture and that is James “Jim” Klansnic. It’s no coincidence norjack occurred 6 months after the sst was cancelled and the U.S. was in a completion with France to see who could build first commercial super sonic aircraft. We lost and to send a subtle message in cooper style the hijacker chose the name of a French comic aviation hero. Nice piece in the Columbia today about Ullis, he did some good work on petey kudos to him for his report. I always thought petey was a good suspect unfortunately I can safely elimate petey from my list. Sheridan Peterson left Boeing in 64. The experimental titanium work for the sst at Boeing plant II started in 67. That’s important because the collection of the rare earth metals Kaye found on the tie collectively were used for only one purpose prior to 71 and I think probably still today and that’s the alloying (welding) of titanium alloys. In fact I couldn’t find a record of any other application or facility besides possibly on the Concorde sst In europe but they weren’t using as much titanium on the Concorde so I doubt it. I can confidently say the wearer of the tie found on coopers seat or between his seat whatever it was, he frequented Boeing plant II from 67 to 71. There is no way eagle eye joe would of picked up the yitirium, commercially pure ti, Barium sulfate, ect. All these ultra rare materials Nice piece in the Columbia today about Ullis, he did some good work on petey kudos to him for his report. I always thought petey was a good suspect unfortunately I can safely elimate petey from my list. Sheridan Peterson left Boeing in 64. The experimental titanium work for the sst at Boeing plant II started in 67. That’s important because the collection of the rare earth metals Kaye found on the tie collectively were used for only one purpose prior to 71 and I think probably still today and that’s the alloying (welding) of titanium alloys. In fact I couldn’t find a record of any other application or facility besides possibly on the Concorde sst In europe but they weren’t using as much titanium on the Concorde so I doubt it. I can confidently say the wearer of the tie found on coopers seat or between his seat whatever it was, he frequented Boeing plant II from 67 to 71. There is no way eagle eye joe would of picked up the yitirium, commercially pure ti, Barium sulfate, ect. All these ultra rare materials weren’t introduced to the Boeing plant until 67 when the ti alloy welding/machining experiments began. This was cutting edge stuff back then and prior to 71 for the sst nobody else was or had the need to weld titanium alloys. Put this all together and cooper was more likely then not an engineer on the sst project that kept his job. The fbi looked an ex employees but hardly looked it at all at current employees at that time (they had the wrong profile). Knowing the above that leaves only one suspect on my list at this juncture at that is James “Jim” Klansnic. It’s no coincidence norjack occurred 6 months after the sst was cancelled and the U.S. was in a completion with France to see who could build first commercial super sonic aircraft. We lost and to send a subtle message in cooper style the hijacker chose the name of a French comic aviation hero. It would of took somebody interested in military and aerospace to even be interested in the comic which prior to 71 could only be found in an obscure French mag tintin. The alias dan cooper who was a test pilot of future space exploration and the tie particles match only a project involved in future space exploration. Wake up my fellow sleuths!
” Nicky once again claims: That’s important because the collection of the rare earth metals Kaye found on the tie collectively were used for only one purpose prior to 71 and I think probably still today and that’s the alloying (welding) of titanium alloys. In fact I couldn’t find a record of any other application or facility besides possibly on the Concorde sst In europe but they weren’t using as much titanium on the Concorde so I doubt it. I can confidently say the wearer of the tie found on coopers…. etc. Unquote. A lot of errors are in this statement by Nicky.
Nicky is still trying to dominate the narrative here with half-baked reasoning. Not ALL of the particles on that tie were involve the “welding” of titanium. In their totality, that list of highly specialized particles better fit the operations of an outfit like Tekronix of Beaverton and Portland Oregon. Fixating on one simple notion or idea in order to make your pet suspect fit is some awfully poor workmanship. As this discussion between Nicky and bLIEvens continues, bLIEvens is now actually steering in a truthfully direction on this same subject. He’s making the points that I’ve made in the past about the clip-on tie evidence, he basically saying what I’ve stated, which is “why would Cooper leave this piece of evidence behind?” Why indeed? As far as Nicky countering with cigarette butts etc, that evidence took investigators nowhere in those days. I saw a crime scene show just yesterday about how glitter evidence pointed to the killer. Glitter is highly specialized material. The case expert was a guy who’s specialty was evidence like that. In the case of that clip on tie, that tie can be said to have contained over 200 types of “glitter” on it. That’s an overt amount of evidence…”it’s over the top” so to speak. It’s “overdone.” Overdone, just like the overdone number of documents that followed the Cooper caper.
Just like the “overdone messages” In the BD case, the Zodiac killer cases, OCCK case and the Ramsey case and others. In the Ramsey case, former prosecutor Alex Hunter stated that there was “too much” evidence in the Ramsey case and that he’d “never seen a murder case with such a great amount of evidence.” BTW, I didn’t miss the “Fox” island hint that bLIEvens let out, as that hint is a buzzword in the OCCK case…a case the swampy MSM avoids discussion and review of. And Nicky, “titanium alloys,” that the proper description. No one is “welding” titanium. The titanium alloys are machined, but they are not pure titanium.
Boeing’s concept was chosen as the winner on 1 January 1967.
Boeing 2707-300 Full-scale mockup, Plant 2 complex, 1966 (Seattle)
just a quick search…
Yes I know shutter and that is what I stated.
Nicky says in part:
“I can confidently say the wearer of the tie found on coopers seat or between his seat whatever it was, he frequented Boeing plant II from 67 to 71…”
Okay…maybe. Maybe you’re right about that. But there’s a gorilla in the room about this tie that is not easily explained away.
1) Cooper was careful to retrieve evidence. The matchbook, the notes, etc. It’s even a good possibility that the non-working reserve, for some unknown reason, was tossed out the back of the aircraft and is still rotting somewhere in southwest Washington. So…why did Cooper choose to simply toss the tie over a seat and leave it behind? It had a clip attached to it, which someone could have possibly linked with him as evidence. But he just discarded it as if he wasn’t worried about leaving it behind. You have to wonder. He was pretty careful up to that point.
2) There is a problem with the chain of evidence regarding the tie. In other words, you can’t says with any certainty that Cooper worked for Boeing, or had anything to do with titanium, because you can’t say where he got the tie. Did he buy it himself, or did he borrow it or pick it up from a Goodwill store for a quarter? No one knows the chain of evidence on it. Yes, you can extrapolate that perhaps whoever originally owned the tie worked at Boeing. Maybe. But that only goes so far.
3) To make things worse, Boeing laid off thousands of people prior to the hijacking. And if the original owner of the tie was a layoff victim, it is possible that person discarded the tie at some point. He could have given it away to a charity box, to a friend, whatever. About the only certainties on the tie are that it is impregnated with certain rare elements, that it came from JC Penneys originally, and that it was worn by Cooper. None of that proves that Cooper himself was the original owner, or that he was the one who bought it directly from Penneys.
4) There are only three realistic possibilities concerning where Cooper obtained the tie. First, that he bought it, and wore it regularly at a place that would have exposed the tie to the items discovered within it. Second…that Cooper was NOT the original purchaser, and obtained the tie from someone he knew. Third, that Cooper was (again) NOT the original purchaser, but obtained the tie in a way that would not reveal the original owner, such as buying it at a Goodwill or Salvation Army store, and that it was a castoff from someone who USED to work at Boeing, or another place that exposed the tie to the special elements.
5) What makes all of this even MORE tricky is Boeing itself. At the time of the hijacking they were busy laying off tens of thousands of people. It isn’t a stretch to imagine one of these workers tossing that tie into a charity bin or adding it to the wife’s donation pile. (“F%!k this tie and f%!k Boeing, too…”)
6) Down to cases now. Nothing is written in stone regarding ownership and original purchase of the tie. But let’s roll the dice and see which of all these scenarios is the most likely. Not necessary a CERTAINTY, but the most likely. Since Cooper was careful to retrieve all other evidence during the flight, it is more likely that he discarded the tie in a casual manner because he knew (somehow) that the tie was unlikely to be traced to him. That is NOT a certainty. It is simply MORE LIKELY the case.
7) None of the above means that exploring the evidence on the tie is pointless. The latter is true. Maybe Cooper DIDN’T pick it up from a Goodwill, or a garage sale. Maybe he DID borrow it from someone he knew. And…if you could find this person, this person might lead you to the hijacker.
Robert he didn’t retrieve all other evidence as you say. He left behind the cigarette butts and the glass he drank his bourbon and 7up out of. Which Indicates it’s more likely then not cooper had no idea about dna testing or electron microscopes in 71 and wasn’t worried about the tie leading back to him.
There is a BIG hole in the evidence chain here. No one can say where Cooper obtained the tie and the tie clip. We know he wore it, that’s a near certainty. But where did he get it? Was it borrowed, given to him, picked up used? Or was he the original owner?
It’s a major evidentiary hole. Has anyone actually linked that tie to a human being? No. Has anyone actually linked the TIE CLIP to a human being? If you believe the testimony of Dawn Androsko of Fox Island, WA…yes. Let me relate the short version of when this came up during my interview with her. Her grandson Jonathan was in attendance and sitting nearby:
Robert: (Slides 8.5×11 glossy photo blowup of the tie and tie clip across the table to her.) ‘Does this mean anything to you?’ (No explanatory text on picture)
Mrs. Androsko: (Picks up photo, examines it carefully.) “I don’t know about the tie. But I saw Kenny wear that clip a few times.”
Robert: “Are you sure?”
Mrs. Androsko: “Yes.”
Robert: “When did you see him wear it?”
Mrs. Androsko: “Before.”
Robert: “Before?”
Mrs. Androsko: “Before the hijacking happened. A few times.”
Robert: “What about later, after the hijacking?”
Mrs. Androsko: “No, I don’t believe he did.”
Not to push KC too hard on you guys, but this is the same lady who freely admitted receiving $5,000 from KC in April 1972, and using that money to move she and her four children out the Geestman home. She also said her brother was not only the go-between (because her brother was friends with Kenny) but that her brother actually delivered the money to her. Her brother, Bernie Geestman, admitted he knew about the loan, but denied any involvement in the transaction.
On the other side of all this, we know Christiansen never worked for Boeing. However, Bernie Geestman DID. Just saying.
I have my suspect standing under a 727 wearing a black clip on tie that looks identical to the one in fbi evidence that trumps your witness testimony sorry Robert a picture is more concrete. http://imgur.com/mr8l826
Robert think about it for a second cooper had cash on him was offering to tip $20 for his drink. If you were cooper and had a pocket full of cash where are you more likely to stop and get a clip on tie for your “get up” a goodwill? the only advantage of that would be you would save a couple bucks but from what we know cooper wasn’t worried about money so that wouldn’t make sense plus Goodwill would of been more risky because the likelihood of being noticed is greater so again not making sense. Jc penny would of been the better option more accessible and would of been more inconspicuous, less likelihood of being recognized. Again cooper was not worried about dna or he would of collected his glass and cigg butts so going off that it’s safe to assume he wouldn’t have a reason to steal or borrow someone’s tie for the heist furthermore he would run the risk of the owner recognizing his missing tie and reporting it to the fbi. Nobody has every reported a missing or borrowed similar tie and tack to the fbi which also points to it wasn’t borrowed or stolen. That leaves the most probable option the tie belonged to cooper.
Okay. He has a black tie. Might even be a clip on. But black ties are common, especially in the workplace. I don’t see a tie clip on it and it doesn’t match the one shown in the FBI pictures. It’s a bit too wide. Just saying.
Nicky, you might want to check with Bruce or Shutter (they are the real experts on the minute-to-minute stuff on the plane, not me) but I think Cooper just had a twenty on him and didn’t offer to tip? I believe the stew asked him if he had anything smaller, and he said no, and then…she says he will have to wait for change. I think that’s how it went? (someone should step in here with the facts on this)
Tossed this comparison together for Photobucket:
Nicky: When you post photos here, just select the ‘direct’ link from the menu. That way it will appear here on site. No big deal, just thought it would be easier.
Minor Update: I have removed all references at Facebook, and the post at the AB Forum regarding the September round-table campout. No more applications will be considered, with the exception of our standing invite to Bruce Smith. He always gets invited to these things. No big deal, but I don’t believe he’s the wilderness type. But we still invite him out of courtesy.
Hey Bruce could you start another thread that will take over as the place where people post. There are over 1300 posts here. I haven’t posted in a while. I had some computer issues, that resulted in me buying a tablet as opposed to 2 in 1 computer. It has been a challenge going from windows to android. For me this getting harder to follow regulary b cause of so many posts.
Will be moving to a new thread shortly. But not now – off to do laundry.
Well, hopefully your header won’t have my name on it this time. How about just a general header pointing people to discussions on the Cooper case instead…. 🙂
Notice: I’m shutting down the AB Forum to guests until September 18th. No big deal, but right now we have no one watching the place. Greg the Techie Guy is in San Francisco for a few weeks, and I am busy with cars, work, and planning for the DB Cooper Round Table Campout. This is going to be a fun trip for sure. Results will be posted to YouTube.
Pretty much every Cooper-related video and movie we could get our hands on has been loaded to flash drive, or is ready in DVD for this one. Think of it as Ariel on a smaller scale, but much more intense, and we don’t close up and make you drive home. I loved Dona Elliot, but she’s gone now and personally I am tired of no Cooper celebrations. So we will do our own out in the wilderness with full services and entertainment.
And to make sure no one screws with us….I changed the destination after we finalized who was going. A good time is guaranteed for all, and you couldn’t find us out there if you had the Army Reserve doing it. Well…that’s expected. They didn’t find Cooper, either. 🙂
Even the rangers approve of my plan. I know some of them personally. Every Earth Day I take a trip out there, even if it’s a day trip, and pick up the leftover garbage from OTHER peoples’ campsites. 🙂
I don’t mean to brag, but if you had a chance to attend this one and decided to pass on it, you made a big mistake. Maybe next year.
Update: Greg the Techie Guy says I CAN’T close the AB Forum for a month. Says it isn’t fair to current members and he reminded me we’ve been criticized for doing that before.
No big deal. Few visitors anyway. Reopened. Not by me, but Greg. And now he says he wants me to turn over the Admin rights to him. I compromised with him and gave him the main password. So this means there will no longer be any posts marked Admin unless they are actually Admin-related. Otherwise, he told me to use my XoXSciFiGuy identity. He also requested I UN-delete the original post I made concerning the September trip, and not change the destination. Might confuse people who already linked to that post from Facebook, Twitter, Infamous Nissan dot com, etc.
As usual, he’s right. I will restore the post tomorrow. Yes, we’re going to Goober Pond, and I will put back the pictures. Look…I never claimed perfection or always making the smartest decision, although I like to think I do pretty good MOST of the time. 🙂
Was watching the classic sci-fi film ‘Destination Moon’, (1951 George Pal production) and heard this line uttered by the main character: “Too heavy. If this is the case, it will cost the ship thousands of pounds in reaction mass. Try titanium.”
I would say the use of titanium, and its understanding of its possible uses in the aerospace industry is nothing new. Even Hollywood was making references to it clear back in 1951.:)
Added this film to the agenda for the camping trip.
AB of Seattle main site…restored. AB Forum…open to guests. Registration is no longer restricted, (we don’t screen you) but a violation of the spam or hate post rules will result in immediate banning…permanently. No second chances on that one. We DO check the email address you used for validity or to see if its on a spam list. If it’s a phony address or known spam…same thing. You have been warned. Banned folks cannot even view as guests. Just saying.
Bruce Smith says in part: “The primary poster is a fellow named “Shutter45,” who is also the founder and moderator of the DB Cooper Forum, a major site for technical discussion of the DB Cooper skyjacking. As such, Shutter is drawn into the Mountain News conversations to defend his actions at the DBC Forum, especially accusations from other Cooper sleuths, most notably author Robert M. Blevins, co-author of the highly controversial and generally discredited tome on Cooper, titled, Into the Blast – The True Story of DB Cooper.
Blevins is banned by Shutter from the DBC Forum for past bad behaviors, such as lying, character assassinations, and issuing personal threats to posters…”
Robert says: A pack of lies. If the book were ‘generally discredited,’ those LA production companies wouldn’t have signed us to a contract for the first-ever full length feature film on the Cooper case. And you forgot to tell your viewers that you turned down a 15K offer just to review about 20-30 pages of the film script for historical accuracy.
And I’ve never ‘issued personal threats to posters’. Or anyone for that matter. It’s not something I would do.
Now make sure you delete this response so that others can’t hear the other side of things. 🙂
It doesn’t really matter. Come September a few folks who also exist in Cooperland are heading into the Olympics to do a campout and some video discussions on the Cooper case for YouTube. I think we may finally include you in the subject matter. Frankly, I think it is time. No worries, we will be polite about it. I will insist on that.
377 just mentioned the yytrium in coopers tie and it’s use in alloying titanium. He said he doubted Boeing was alloying their own titanium but I have proof they were beginning in 67 for the sst. If one of you cooperites would like to share this link with 377 it would be much appreciated. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/902455.pdf
Nicky: Got up early this morning and scrolled through the PDF from your link. How about screenshotting the relevant page? The document is 132 pages long. Even the report on Kenny was only about 54 or so.
Cooper News: The folk shooting for the BBC on Cooper are coming, but not right away. They are still in research and checking weather reports. We are working with them. *Frankly, I didn’t give a rat’s behind for the guy from the French mag.*
FYI: He scheduled an appointment with me and didn’t even bother to call, even after requesting my time more than once. Some mag in Paris and they have stringers. That’s great. But the BBC are the Planet Earth guys. Not that this production company in England has reached that level, but they ain’t bad.
And we like the BBC anyway.
https://youtu.be/koFsMbtPPck
Page 123 reference #14 In place fusion welding of titanium alloy tubing J.E. Klansnic. Did more analysis of the tie particles and fusion welding of ti alloys and I got a hit. I was looking at the tungsten found on coopers tie and it lead me to a form of fusion welding titanium alloy that uses tungsten gas called tungsten gas arc welding also known as TIG welding. You can google this yourself guys it’s well documented online when you TIG weld ti alloys you use what are called filler metals in your weld. I discovered the filler metals used in TIG welds are commercially pure ti 98-99% and none other then yytrium again you can verify this with a simple google search just type in the particle along with TIG welding or tungsten gas arc welding. The combo of the tungsten with the pure ti and yytrium means only one thing coopers tie was exposed to TIG welding of ti alloys. Now TIG welding I learned is a clean process no sparks or splatter ect. unless you fail to clean or properly clean you’re project in which case you can get splatter. This was cutting edge welding back then so it’s likely a machinist didn’t know he had to clean the project, used the wrong materials to clean it, or failed to clean it sufficiently in which case splattering would occur. It would make sense that a manager or engineer on the shop floor would go over and see what’s going when something like this occurred thus picking up the particle on the tie.
Nicky stated in part: The combo of the tungsten with the pure ti and yytrium means only one thing coopers tie was exposed to TIG welding of ti alloys. Now TIG welding I learned is a clean process no sparks or splatter ect. unless you fail to clean or properly clean ….etc.
Once again Nicky, you’re ignoring the rest of the 197 highly specialized particles reportedly found on the tie, in an attempt to make your pet suspect fit. I strongly assert that so far no valid suspect has been promoted in the Cooper caper. None of the suspects that were ever put forth as Cooper, fully fit the necessary criteria, with the exception of Jack Tarrance, who fits the bill in every way. Except of course his resemblance to the FBI’s drawing of the UNSUB, which we’ve learned is and has been rejected by the people that saw the UNSUB first hand.
Nicky, what age was Klansnic in 1971? Certainly not a member of the over 40 club, right? Please answer this most important question.
I have read quite a bit of your research on this TIG welding thing, and although I am not a welder (did a few beads once but that’s all) you could be onto something.
This is not my endorsement of Klansnic as a suspect in the Cooper case, there are a lot of welders out there. But it is possible that the tie belonged to someone…at some point…who did this type of work. For example, we know that Bernie Geestman worked not only on the 727 program for a number of years after he left NWA, but later for Foss Tugs as a diesel mechanic. And I believe those tugs used titanium in some of the marine piping. And yes, he was also a welder.
Does this mean he was the owner of the tie and loaned Kenny that tie prior to the hijacking? Of course not. But the main point is that you could be right on how those elements ended up on the tie. The only thing that’s tough to explain is the titanium sponge. That’s tricky.
Mechanics don’t were tie’s Robert and if geestam was still at Boeing and worked on the titanium alloy tubing test project for the sst starting in 67 then I’d give you’re theory of kenny using geestmens tie some credence. Let’s say for arguments sake geestman or Sheridan Peterson picked up pure ti but then how do you explain the yytrium? odds of picking up both yytrium and the 99.9% commercially pure ti seperately are astronomical. One would argue well there is yytrium in everyone’s living room tv screen. Let’s say the tie wearer busted a tv screen well if that was the case there would be glass shard particles on that tie which their weren’t, the presence of the tungsten makes it pretty clear both the yytrium and pure ti were picked up together from a TIG weld splatter.
I think I’m going to talk to my father about this Boeing angle. He was a tool and die maker for them for several years…and then he got hit (like tens of thousands of others) with the Big Boeing Layoffs around 1970 I think. (He got a godawful job at a plywood manufacturing company for a while afterward) and later welded for years up in Everett at the shipyard. He might be able to shed some light on this stuff.
No…he’s not Cooper. I eliminated him as a suspect a few weeks ago. 🙂
That was a joke, of course. Except for the parts about his job(s).
Oh. We’ve finalized plans for our upcoming DB Cooper-themed campout. It’s a drive-in event. 21+ only, You can reach it with a passenger car or a truck, but no motorhomes. Full public details, with pictures are below. Posted to Infamous Nissan dot com, Facebook, (a few locations) Twitter and the usual suspects. 🙂 Two Cooper-related items we’re screening are the 1973 flick, ‘The Pursuit of DB Cooper,’ with Treat Williams and Robert Duvall, and the two minute teaser reel on the upcoming Cooper movie currently under production in Los Angeles.
http://adventurebooks.boards.net/threads/recent/8
Terry, Klansic was 51 at the time of nor jack. First report into the fbi was 50 years old. Furthermore I am not ignoring the other particles but choosing to focus on the ultra rare ones. The ones that can narrow down the field of the tie wearer. The majority of those 200 plus particles could of been picked by anybody but the yytrium and commercially pure ti not so much not even close we’re talking in the 100’s maybe if not less in the entire world.
Nicky, you admit that you’re ignoring the other 197 highly specialized particles. Those particles suggest several fields of operation and it’s very very unlikely that one solitary person in their daily job is gonna get that many different highly specialized particles on their tie. It would be pretty sloppy reasoning to think that all of those particles are all gonna be in one area. It does suggest however, that whomever had that tie had a technical overview of several highly specialized technical operations. Even if a person had such an overview, it still wouldn’t explain why such a great number of different particles got on that one particular tie by chance, hence my strong assertion that the particles were intentionally placed on the tie. So, what’s the message you might ask and what’s the reason? The message suggests that someone high up in the pecking order was involved and the reason for all of the different particles is to make it clear that it was from someone with an inside track. Perhaps an industrial spy, maybe Chinese, or Russian, or Israeli? Or, someone that’s brokering deals with anyone that has the cash? Perhaps a message left for posterity was the goal? The great number of different highly specialized particles on one tie is clearly a sophisticated message. The Cooper caper was a sophisticated operation. The taunting documents that followed the caper clearly show inside crime scene knowledge and clearly show that whomever sent them was steeped in the art of encryption, which is also evidence of even more sophistication….and it truly tells what the primary occupation of the person was…and they weren’t simply some “welder,” mechanic or baggage handler. Lying by omission of key facts is still lying, which the MSM currently does on a daily basis. Thank you Nicky for answering the question about Klasanic’s age. Bear in mind that anyone that’s really paying close attention to the Cooper caper these days, is bound to be a sophisticated thinker, either that or they don’t care who they try to bullshit.
Well, we differ on the idea that the Cooper Caper was a sophisticated operation. Looking at the facts, it’s hard not to believe that Cooper was simply a desperate guy who only wanted the money, had SOME knowledge on how a jetliner worked, probably did not have a prior criminal record, got lucky on several fronts, (Nyrop at NWA forcing the FBI to back down, for example) and came poorly prepared.
On top of all that, the FBI concentrated their efforts to catch Cooper in the wrong direction. They mistakenly believed he was an active jumper, for example. But the very fact that Cooper referred to the chutes he wanted (two front, two back) in that way says he probably hadn’t jumped in years. And the idea that he chose the C-9 military-style canopy rig could mean he was old-school military.
It’s hard to say, frankly speaking.
I never bought into the idea that the ‘official description’ by the FBI was perfectly accurate, either. Some said he was tall, (Flo Schaffner, Mucklow to an extent) others said shorter (passenger sitting across from Cooper)…who the hell really knows what the damn truth is? Long ago I gave a couple of good examples. Here’s one: I was on a flight between Seattle and LA back in 2002. I saw the Major League player Bret Boone several times during this flight. He got up, he walked around, etc. I would have sworn on the Bible he was much taller than me. At the luggage carousel later, I found out he was actually three inches shorter (or so) than I was. I accidentally bumped into him at the carousel and apologized. It was like bouncing off a brick wall. I knew right away he was on steroids, which came out later by the way….
https://www.complex.com/sports/2012/07/the-25-best-alleged-and-confirmed-steroid-users-in-baseball-history/steroids-25
I got ridiculed for a while because it occurred to me that no matter what some witnesses said, that it might be harder to judge someone’s true height from the confines of an aircraft cabin. How the hell did I get Boone’s height so WRONG? I saw him clearly half a dozen times during the flight. I couldn’t believe it. Then it occurred to me that it might be just an illusion. And that it might be easier to judge someone’s physicals if you were standing next to them at the bus stop instead, or…at the luggage carousel out in the open. Who knows?
A pro? A recent ex-military guy? A CIA plot? No way, in my humble opinion. This guy comes to the ticket counter dressed in a cheap suit and a tie that’s out of style. A briefcase with a (probably) phony bomb, the wrong shoes, and no visible outdoor clothing. It was low-budget planning all the way. One thing about Cooper you can say almost for sure. If he lived and got to keep the money, he has to be The Luckiest Guy in the Whole Damn World because the odds were stacked against him from the start. He even had to ask the ticket guy whether the incoming flight was a 727, and he should have known that before he even reached the airport. Of course, he may have just been trying to verify what he already knew, in case something happened to the flight on its way out from Minnesota, who knows?
Sophisticated? Nah, I’m not buying it. Did he write any of the letters? Maybe, but if he did it was probably only the Reno note. It’s too bad that Cooper never allowed Mucklow to see what was in the paper bag he was carrying, and all we know that whatever was inside, it went with him and no one ever saw the contents.
bLIEvens said, in part: “Sophisticated? Nah, I’m not buying it. Did he write any of the letters? Maybe, but if he did it was probably only the Reno note. It’s too bad that Cooper never allowed Mucklow to see what was in the paper bag he was carrying, and all we know that whatever was inside, it went with him and no one ever saw the contents.” Unquote
I could care less what you’re buying, but those same documents hold evidence of inside crime scene knowledge and the clip-on tie is only one of several items alluded to with the Playboy cutouts/”The system that beats the system” document in particular, meaning the author of that letter knew about the clip-on tie being left behind in the Cooper caper. Every single letter on that document refers to a special page in one of the two Playboy magazines, and each of those pages coveys a message. The letter W in the word “Well” was cutout from the page that has the Bow Brummell title that has clip-on ties on it. Each page coveys a certain item and message, showing that the document is basically an encryption. The letters e and l in “Well,” came from the page titled ” For people who are not ashamed of having brains.” The letter D in DB Cooper was taken from a page with “career killers” at the top. Skipping ahead, the letter P with it’s very straight stem was taken from the title “The LazyPipe Tobacco.” For instance, most of the letters F and W were improperly capitalized on the Ramsey ransom note, and all of the letter P’s were drawn differently from one another, yet still act as pointers and double by structure and proximity as male genitalia. These are only three examples of deliberate linkage, among many similar examples. Military overtones hints are also conveyed by more than one cutout page, and the Ramsey ransom note has a rather large list of military and surveillance based keywords.
So whether bLIEvens and his associates like it or not, those are all readily verifiable facts. So, no matter how hard bLIEvens tries to “dumb down” the evidence, the evidence shows sophistication and then in turn shows just how dumb the serial liar bLIEvens really and truly is.
You understand of course…that no one on God’s green earth has the slightest clue what you are babbling about? ‘Deliberate linkage?’ Assuming, without a shred of evidence that somehow the Cooper and Ramsey crimes, one a hijacking, the other a murder of a young girl…and 25 years apart…were done by the same guy?
You provide all these convoluted and crazy explanations. But they don’t make a bit of sense to anyone except yourself.
Numbers…symbols…letters…signs…messages from Venus sent to you through your dental fillings.
Whatever. Tell you one thing. I would not turn my back on you, or meet you alone anywhere. That’s for sure. 🙂
bLIEvens again lies with:”You understand of course…that no one on God’s green earth has the slightest clue what you are babbling about? ‘Deliberate linkage?’ Assuming, without a shred of evidence that somehow the Cooper and Ramsey crimes, one a hijacking, the other a murder of a young girl…and 25 years apart…were done by the same guy?
You provide all these convoluted and crazy explanations. But they don’t make a bit of sense to anyone except yourself.
Numbers…symbols…letters…signs…messages from Venus sent to you through your dental fillings.
Whatever. Tell you one thing. I would not turn my back on you, or meet you alone anywhere. That’s for sure.” Unquote
I wasn’t talking to you bLIEvens, I was talking at you. And, it’s Bow Brummell on the page, not The Beau Brummels, that references to the clip-on tie, you stooge. You and your associate Nicky wanna cherry pick rotten tomatoes and call them cherries in order to promote your pure nonsense. At least the Nicky person apparently respected the age factor of the UNSUB, but similar to you, Nicky willfully ignores a “mountain” of evidence that excludes your respective pet suspects.
For you to say;” Whatever. Tell you one thing. I would not turn my back on you, or meet you alone anywhere. That’s for sure.” Unquote. It’s a typical remark from the hypocrite that you really are, because you have a bonafide track record of threats of violence against others, you creep.
Another fishy thing is, is that this phony MB has a goofy spell checker. You seem to enjoy full control in posting here bLIEvens, so I’m ready to paint you and Bruce with the same brush! I’m fed up with your lies bLIEvens, and I do hope that Johnnie Greenie finds your camping spot, that’s for sure!
bLIEvens, you of all people know damn good and well that the evidence that I present is valid. Your use of certain keywords in your phony statements clearly indicates that you’ve read practically every word that I’ve ever posted. That’s because you know that the evidence that I’ve pointed out, stands on it’s own merit. I think you must be very worried, because as others have pointed out, you tend this message board practically 24-7.
And by the way…it’s the Beau Brummels..just sayin’.
Terry, I responded to your last post a few days but it says the comment is awaiting moderation…Bruce? All the rare earth elements came from a single source and their all electrode particles used in filler rods/wire used for tungsten gas arc welding also known as TIG welding. The wearer of coopers tie was a engineer/manager that over saw this process. I can say that with 100% certainty. I went by Kaye’s 2017 Mccrones lab report all the rare earth particles matched up Kaye was thinking these electrode particles yytrium, antimony ect meant crt tubes production but every rare earth found were also found in these filler rods/wire for TIG welding. The project klansic was working on for the titanium tube testing that was going to be used on the sst was also using commercially pure ti filler rods. It’s stated in the declassified government doc I had linked in an earlier post.
Nicky claims: Terry, I responded to your last post a few days but it says the comment is awaiting moderation…Bruce? All the rare earth elements came from a single source and their all electrode particles used in filler rods/wire used for tungsten gas arc welding also known as TIG welding. The wearer of coopers tie was a engineer/manager that over saw this process. I can say that with 100% certainty. I went by Kaye’s 2017 Mccrones lab report all the rare earth particles matched up Kaye was thinking these electrode particles yytrium, antimony ect meant crt tubes production but every rare earth found were also found in these filler rods/wire for TIG welding. The project klansic was working on for the titanium tube testing that was going to be used on the sst was also using commercially pure ti filler rods. It’s stated in the declassified government doc I had linked in an earlier post.
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First of all Nicky your use of the wrong description tells me that you’re blowing smoke. It’s correctly called ‘tungsten “inert” gas’ welding or TIG, and you earlier called it TIG welding. The 197 plus 2 element alloy particles are NOT ALL involved in welding. Your statements are false and misleading. Look up infrared detection, this list of semiconductors are used for photovoltaic infrared detection, which are properties that have been known for a long time now. :
Mercury cadmium telluride (MCT)
Indium antimonide
Indium arsenide
Lead selenide
QWIP
QDIP
Lithium tantalate (LiTaO3)
Triglycine sulfate (TGS)
As I recall, Lithium tanalate was one of the materials found on the tie, it’s a photodiode used for detecting infrared radiation. Combined with a photo emitting material, like the material found in light emitting diodes, direct conversion to visible light takes place. So, it’s very feasible that the sunglasses that the Cooper UNSUB so conspicuously wore, had such a coating. With a pattern of gas powered infrared lanterns on the ground, the UNSUB would be able to make a fairly precise jump. And…the FOIA files show that he jumped right near LeCenter WA, with it’s large areas of conjoined plowed fields, and very near the freeway that goes right down to California, I5 I believe it was and still is. Do I currently know the exact recipe for this coating, no but I can find out.
That’s another point that you and the neo-genius bLIEvins haven’t said much about… the peculiarity that the Cooper UNSUB had sunglasses that went with him. Hmm? Well, the sunglasses would attenuate visible light and help accentuated infrared detection in doing so, in conjunction with the infrared conversion coating. Get it? Well maybe you don’t, but I’ll bet that many other people would.
I have to back away from further comments here for the next few weeks. I have canceled my notification subscription. Truth is, I’m busy almost constantly right now between work, fixing up the 82 ZX for resale, planning the Cooper-themed camping trip for Sept 14-17, etc. It’s a big list. For example, I worked from 8AM-2PM today, came home did car work till 8PM, trying to rest now.
Any updates will come via the AB Forum, Facebook sites, at least for now. Feel free to drop by the AB Forum if you wish, maybe even join…as long as you obey the rules…and that means no personal attacks on others, especially on Bruce, the DB Cooper Forum run by Shutter, or any members of his website. That is a Prime Directive, and violating it gets you insta-banned where you can’t even view the site as a visitor. For life, kinda like Paul Manafort. (that was a joke)
Just my standard warning. Anyway…I will be back in the Cooper Loop in a few weeks. 🙂
Bullshit. Your film crew was supposed to be in town with you, Blevins. Or will you admit that was another round of lies? It never ends with you, does it? When are we going camping? I got the black Ford F-250 ready to roll. I hope Gayla will cover for you again. She must monitor the sites all day too. Lol.
What film crew? I don’t have a ‘film crew’. I generally shoot any AB video on my own, more or less. I don’t have a problem with you coming on the camping trip in your big, black Ford. 🙂
I only ask you to bring your own chair.
But to attend, get directions, com info, and advice so you actually have FUN, you have to follow protocol, and that has been listed at Facebook, the AB Forum, Infamous Nissan, and the Usual Suspects.
Of course, bringing up Gayla again, one of the nicest people it’s ever been my pleasure to know, means you are automatically EXCLUDED from attending. Not only do you go after me, but my girlfriend as well. It goes to character, and shows you are not only Mr Anonymous From Bushwhacker Canyon, but have no character as well. 🙂
Blev: she was brought up by another prior to me, for being a potential “cougar hook-up.” Not by me. Actually, she came up all on her own, with her post while you were camping without her. What man goes camping without his girlfriend, but uses her fictitiously to protect him from the big, black Ford? No man I know. You just invited, then excluded me. All in the same post. First, you tell us that filming begins this month, now you ask, “What film?” Are you a clueless person, or a pathetic, serial liar? Why do you even bother to stick around here? Maybe Gayla needs to know. Oh I forgot. She only posts when you are gone camping.
Fictitiously, my butt. She does what she wants LOL. What filming, what crew? I have no idea what you are talking about unless you mean the Homeless in Seattle project, but that’s been put off until wintertime by mutual agreement with the people I’m working with on that one.
If you mean shooting Cooper-related video up in the Olympics, maybe. But that doesn’t happen for a couple of weeks. I may just take day hikes, eat BBQ, do some (legal and safe) target shooting, and watch Twilight Zone reruns on flash drive.
Truth is, you haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about. When you figure it all out, let me know. Fortunately, Cooper folk like you are a small minority. 99% of the inquiries we get at AB regarding the hijacking, or anything else we do, are polite. They don’t include low-life insults toward Gayla. Pretty cheap of you to go after the woman because I don’t feed your needs, which are kind of weird anyway. Uninformed slop pours from your mouth…kind of like that scene from The Exorcist with Linda Blair.
In your case, I don’t think it’s actually pea soup.
If you REALLY wanted to go on the camping trip, you wouldn’t have come at me with the approach you did. You would have done as the others did, and inquired politely about it. People actually did that, you know. You knew from the start what my reaction would be with such an approach. A guy like you wouldn’t know how to have fun on such a trip anyway. You are WAY too wound up regarding Cooper. Nah, you should just stay home. Better for you, definitely better for everyone who IS going LOL. 🙂
What film???? How about the film on Cooper that you boasted about all summer. Go back and read your posts here, Dummy. More BULLSHIT by the biggest liar on the internet. Quick question: why would Gayla stick around with YOU? Did you find her online? Everyone in CooperWorld is dying to know. ps. …. do you sit with her around the campfire and tell her all about your heroic stories of bulkshit???
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August 29, 2018 at 10:00 am
What film???? How about the film on Cooper that you boasted about all summer. Go back and read your posts here, Dummy. More BULLSHIT by the biggest liar on the internet. Quick question: why would Gayla stick around with YOU? Did you find her online? Everyone in CooperWorld is dying to know. ps. …. do you sit with her around the campfire and tell her all about your heroic stories of bulkshit???
I agree with John Greene and thank him for keeping after the serial liar bLIEvins. Another orb of liars surrounds the Ramsey case comments on YouTube. They/he/she uses the same tactics to obscure the truth, tactics which are apparently taken from the same playbook that bLIEvins operates from. I believe that they also work “man in the middle”operations in order to exert control of the comments section content. Apparently Trump himself discovered that Google is operating a similar scheme with their search engines. Google claims that an alogorhthm is responsible for the content. That could possibly be true as far as Google’s people know, but I highly doubt it. Trump is also correct about CNN, CNN spends 24-7-365 brainwashing weak minded people into a false fear and loathing of Trump. The fear and loathing that the phony journalist pull on everyone is probably based on surviving in their job market these days, certainly some of them are simply minded stooges, but most are scum…and scum floats to the top, just like bLIEvins is pure scum in the way he operates. The BBC is also involved in the maligning of Trump, the same way some of FOX news station affiliates pull it off behind Trump’s back. It’s amazing that right here in Minnesota in 2016, that in the rural areas had two types of political signs dominatinating the countryside, one type was pro-Trump and the second was “Lock Her Up”! Even right here in Minneapolis, a pro-Hillary sign was a rare sighting. It’s my conviction that the murder of JonBenet and the railroading of her family belongs to the same people that operate the brainwashing of anti-Trump people. bLIEvin has already revealed himself as anti-Trump. Watch now as he’ll lie about that too.
Johnny, you won’t have to worry about crawling around in the woods to go to an actual event. one is in the making the RIGHT way…I’m sure Bruce will post the news when it becomes official..
no screening, or background checks required..you just show up unannounced..the way it should be done 🙂
It’s a camping trip boys…(and I do mean BOYS)…where we do BBQ, watch movies, relax, maybe do some videos.
It’s not a major ‘Cooper Event’. And the reason we ‘screen’ people is so they don’t get themselves lost or hurt going thirty or forty miles out into the Olympics without any help. We HAVE to know who is coming so we can send them their maps and other material. They provide their cell numbers and their personals for safety. That is not ‘screening’ LOL. Sometimes we toss them a loan on a portable CB or other com radio. You guys must be the most irresponsible folks on Planet Earth, I swear. Don’t you Dudley-Do-Rights understand you just can’t post a map and some info on the internet and tell people, “Come on down…your’re the next camper at the AB Campout!”
We could get sued doing that if someone got hurt or lost simply based on a public invite. We could possibly be held accountable for creating a dangerous situation. You have to know who is coming…so if they don’t show…someone will go looking for them. Or didn’t you think of that? 🙂
As far as the upcoming picture on Cooper, I have no control over that. You will have to talk to the production companies on that one.
I also have absolutely NO interest in attending any more ‘official’ Cooper functions, Shutter. Just saying. I did three, and that’s more than enough.
I have to say I find it weird that so many here have an interest in the upcoming Cooper film NOW…when all you completely rejected my multiple attempts to get you involved. You can close the barn door, but the horses are long gone. 🙂
wasn’t addressed to you….also, just because someone asks about something doesn’t mean they are interested in that given subject..
thought you were gone for several weeks?
“I have to back away from further comments here for the next few weeks. I have canceled my notification subscription.”
what is this, attempt 13 of leaving a forum “that should be easy to ditch”
just sayin’ 🙂
Blah, blah…frickin’ BLAH. Thought you had your own forum on Cooper?
Get real. I guess I keep checking in because you guys give me a laugh once in a while.
It’s entertainment for sure. Yeah, I’m busy. Who are you, my Busy Checker? 🙂
hit a nerve with that lmao…
“…you won’t have to worry about crawling around in the woods to go to an actual event. one is in the making the RIGHT way…I’m sure Bruce will post the news when it becomes official..
no screening, or background checks required..you just show up unannounced..the way it should be done ”
Uh, yes. That comment was addressed to me. You simply put ‘Johnny’s’ name in front of it, but made an insulting comment about our campout. A rather foolish one, I might add. In your way of thinking, it’s ‘wrong’ to make sure people who want to attend are safe.
That’s why I responded to it, Dudley. 🙂
it would have said “Robert” 🙂 it was and remains addressed to “Johnny”
I’m simply addressing to these people that they will not be subject to any dictatorship or TSA type harassment just to do something…you keep posting these ridiculous rules and don’t expect any flak you guessed wrong..I take it you have commercial liability insurance and have notified them of your event? AB is promoting it, right?
I realize you wouldn’t be interested since you have no control over it..REAL Cooper folks will attend and have already responded..Eric sounds like the guy who can get the job done..he plans to continue the event every year..hopefully it will work out for him..
I’m sure you are busy with the movie “currently in production” 🙂
Listen, Dudley. I’ve done a few of these campouts and the last one was a big hit. But in order to do so, you have to make sure people come and go safely. You seem to have a problem with that, which makes no sense to me. If you don’t like our modest requirements to go, then you don’t have to go. There is a choice here. As it is, we are full up anyway. Limit is 14 people in the same spot, via Forest Service rules.
(Talking to you is like explaining things to a four-year-old, I swear…)
No, I don’t have ‘commercial liability insurance’. It’s a camping trip where we invite friends of Adventure Books to come along if they wish. We like…well…camp and stuff. People do what they want when they get there. I am not ‘the director’ or anything. I just provide some of the entertainment at night. We sleep in tents. Sometimes someone brings their truck/camper combo. We are usually twenty miles or more from the nearest store. Our only rules are that you have to make reservations in order to be allowed to go. Same as we did for the Eclipse trip last August.
No one has actually ‘given me flak’ about it except you. But you live in Florida and frankly, your opinion on organizing a camping trip to the Olympics means zip to me.
Stop fishing about the movie, by the way. If I had anything official to say about it, it would already be at Facebook, Twitter, the AB Forum, or WordPress. Everything is going just fine, even without your help. 🙂
The only REAL Cooper-related things going for the campout are screenings of the teaser reel, a showing of ‘The Pursuit of DB Cooper,’ and I might re-interview Kyle about the money find. There was too much road noise on the last video, the one we did at Kenny’s house.
Mostly everyone just relaxes, shoots the shit, and eats BBQ. Some folks do day hikes away from the campsite. Pretty ordinary stuff.
I do hope Eric gets his Cooper Event to work. I have no animosity toward the guy or anything he wants to do. I might even PayPal him a donation. But no…I am not interested in attending any more official Cooper Events myself.
EDIT: I checked. We actually have THREE spots remaining for the trip. When I cancelled our original date due to the infamous heat and smoke that was going recently here in the Northwest, we had some cancellations. My bad.
Camping with Robert Blevins. Sounds like a trip with a bunch of old biddies into a protected state park to roast marshmallows. Robert will certainly take his porn videos with him in case the crocheting ladies call it a night at 8pm.
Think I’ll run my black F-250 by Gayla’s and say hi. Maybe she can explain Robert’s pattern pathology. Lie to everyone about everything. DNA. Probably can’t help it. Got it from mom and pop. We all wanna go campin with you and listen to your lies around the campfire. We all wanna know why Bernie was boinking Kenny in the motorhome at Paradise Park after Kenny jumped. Robert will tell us. Does Gayla know that she lives with a psycho? We all wanna know what you found in the woodpecker hole in Bonney Lake. Pleeze……..hurry and get the production crew engaged Blevins. Maybe they want to go camp with you too. Camping with Robert Blevins in the woods. Now there’s a movie for ya. Sign me up. Can’t wait. Did I make the waitlist? Can I go for a ride in your Z car?
Would you please clean my toilet. Can i join the AB forum? Please….! The Walter Mitty of Auburn. Please tell us when you go to the bathroom and what you ate for lunch. We are dying…. to know. Was it a good one, Robert, or just so-so? Can you send us a pic of it so we can all admire you some more?
Well, you certainly have anger management issues going. You must follow me a lot, in order to create all that rigamarole. Hopefully, you covered everything. 🙂
I understand your problem. It’s a Cooperland thing. Been there, done that. Seen that, read that.
If you are waiting for a return insult, I think I already covered my assessment of you previously. I think it still rings true.
Your assessment of me means as much to me as a bowl full of number two that you are paid to flush, Robert. You have had no game since the day you stumbled onto the Cooper case. Just bullshit and lies. You can’t leave Bruce’s site for 20 minutes cuz your afraid someone will be talking smack about you. You live in weird world, guy. Nothing going on but your lies. Creepy. And you call yourself a writer and publisher? Would Bruce PAY the Mutherfu*ker to fill up his MN site with bullshit and lies? Hell no. You are a cheap ass who likes to troll the internet and leave a page or two of crappy writing just like a bear leaves his pile in the woods. Your own site AB gets no visitors. Ever wonder why? I’ll tell you…..b/c you have nothing to offer anyone. So you post here on Bruce’s free site and invite us to camp with you. As Shutter reminds you….when are you really going away? Is there a reason why you tell us that lie too? Trying to get into your miswired brain is like scrubbing a toilet. Once you make a good scrub and flush the turd away, you know that in short order another turd will float its way back to the surface. This process repeats itself on a continuum and even though the turd says byebye, you know its comin back.
Late Night Note: I have been told about the proposed Cooper symposium for 24 November at the yacht club in Portland. Although I cannot attend myself, (I will be in California for a family visit the week of Thanksgiving this year) I will do promos on the event at the AB Forum, the main AB of Seattle page, and the Usual Suspects. And other outlets.
I will do this ONLY when the event is finalized and official. Not before.
Just because I don’t like attending these things doesn’t mean I don’t support them. The FBI dismissed the case two years ago. If you want it solved, you have to keep it in the public eye.
Bottom line is this, my friends: Others do THEIR thing, and we do OURS. We may not agree on issues, but the goal has always been the same. I expect responses telling me not to bother. And if that is the case, just ask and I will happy to oblige you. 🙂
Then get back to doin your thing,
… beadie-eyed little turd swamper.
We are working on it. You’re funnier than a three-legged cat trying to bury a turd in a frozen pond. 🙂
Well then post all on AB site so Gayla can have a chuckle or two. She needs to keep up with this.
No one has actually ‘given me flak’ about it except you. But you live in Florida and frankly, your opinion on organizing a camping trip to the Olympics means zip to me.
It’s always funny watching you reply to comments…nothing bothers you but you write novels about the things that don’t bother you 🙂
I could care less if you promote the event or not…it really has nothing to do with you anyway.
where did I say I was helping to organize anything with your little trip? I mentioned insurance since you plaster AB on everything..I doubt you have any coverage..it’s like a Ebay store anyway..
I also like how you downplay the tie…if it came from Goodwill then why would Kenny put his tie clip on it? the super memory witness picked it right out 🙂 that memorable micro size tie clip that drew attention everywhere Kenny went…who could forget that little tiny clip 🙂 not to draw attention he gets the tie from Goodwill and puts his tie clip on it? see a flaw anywhere?
This should keep you busy on a forum you keep telling people it’s “easy to ditch” which is another thing you have failed to prove…
just sayin’ 🙂
Excuse me for living…but it was YOU who came HERE yesterday and made that insult about the camping trip. No one has been mentioning you or your website here in a negative way. And we don’t do it at the AB Forum, either. You are well aware of our policy on that.
You have a definite problem going these days with anything fun or positive that AB does. Geez…get over it…it’s a camping trip for crying out loud. I promise you that a Cooper lookalike will NOT be doing a skydive for us.
As far as the tie goes, my opinions on it and Dawn Androsko’s testimony have been on the record for years now. It is what it is.
This isn’t a forum. This is an article that happens to have a comment function.
As far as the tie goes, my opinions on it and Dawn Androsko’s testimony have been on the record for years now. It is what it is.
I don’t care if she said it 20 years ago..she’s lying…the clip isn’t even noticeable let alone remember it 40 years later…then the fact of YOU claiming for YEARS that the tie was bought for the hijacking…so why would Kenny put HIS clip on it?
If it’s just a “camping trip” it doesn’t belong on a Cooper thread, article, magazine etc. post it on YOUR sites…
Yes, I made the comment about “crawling in the woods”…deal with it…it appears ust about anything will “trigger” you these days…lol
have a nice day 🙂
And you know Dawn Androsko is lying exactly HOW? Were you there for the interview? Did you ask her yourself? Yes, when I first interviewed her there was no Citizen Sleuths and no magic tie results. So…I figured it was purchased, maybe at the Penneys store in Auburn, which just happened to be right on the same road as KC’s route to work in 1971.
Later, I had my doubts about that based on two things. Results from the Sleuths, and Cooper casually leaving it behind. I started to wonder if perhaps it was borrowed and he wasn’t worried about it. No one really knows the full story, not even you.
Androsko also freely admitted receiving the $5,000 from Kenny roughly six months after the hijacking. Between she and her brother, my opinion is that she was telling the truth on everything she said. She was not motivated, nor had any reason to lie about anything. She told these same things to History Channel researcher Marisa Kagan as well. Meanwhile, her brother was caught in more lies than Pinnochio. So, yes. I believe her.
Listen, Dudley. If you are free to venture away from your own Cooper forum simply to come here and toss insults at me instead of contributing to anything positive in Cooperland…then I have a right to post up anything that is generally concerning the Cooper case. The campout may not be an official ‘Cooper Event,’ but most of the people who applied to attend are fans of the case. They wanted to see the recorded TV shows and the movies, the teaser reel, sure. There is a theme to the campout, just as last year’s solar eclipse was the theme for THAT campout. I don’t care if you like it, support it, etc. Everyone who matters already knows what you are about. You will support anyone and anything…no matter how ridiculous or insulting they are…even if you wouldn’t have them at your website…as long as they spend their time coming after me. Everyone knows this, Shutter. 🙂
You know…we took a lot of trouble to lay off you and yours, making new rules at the AB Forum about it, changing some things at the main AB of Seattle page, and even modifying a video. We did the RIGHT THING. You are still the same old broken record, brother.
Johnnie Greene says:
“Well then post all on AB site so Gayla can have a chuckle or two. She needs to keep up with this…”
You obviously don’t know Gayla. Are you kidding me? She has absolutely NO interest in the Cooper case or Cooperland. She made the one post only after seeing a package of screenshots that included her name. It was the first, and the last comment she ever directed at Cooperland…all at the same time.
I will answer the question posed about why she doesn’t go on the AB camping trips. Well…she has done that, but not recently. Mostly we go on legit vacations together, (Long Beach, WA is a favorite) and I go camping either in an arranged AB group, or alone. One reason is because I go out pretty far into the wilderness and she isn’t really into that.
Bobby, you have been insulting me for years so stop the whining about a little comment made. you have used this site for almost a year to blast me. what’s funny is you do the exact things you try to say you are against. I don’t give a flying crap what rules you have or changed on your little closed group…it does zip…never has, never will…show this to whom ever you wish..run to your producers and tell them we are being mean again…have you made sure we all have a “hall pass” 🙂
the tie doesn’t fit your agenda so that’s why you say the things you say..you just don’t realize it damages your case. most of you with suspects show the same pattern of downplaying things that go against you…
how’s the quest to get the records on the house or contacting Mitchell? that’s a broken record since about 2013…the truth you say? start looking for it and stop skewing it…months ago you were looking into it…again? people are looking into getting Mitchell to come to the conference..I guess I will have to do the work for you and see what he says about Kenny. I realize you are busy with being up all night guarding the truth 🙂 don’t worry Bobby, we can find the truth for ya..not like I haven’t had to do things for you in the past…busy busy busy Bobby….
Take care now ya hear 🙂
The truth? It’s been staring you right in the face all along. I pretty much hung up the active investigation stuff on the Cooper case, although I don’t mind discussing it to a degree. That’s because when Geestman’s family, people like Troy Bentz and Kyle D stepped forward…I didn’t see the need to go further. We may have missed a couple of minor details, but we pretty much know exactly what happened the week of the hijacking. How it was planned, who actually brought up the idea first, how it was pulled off, and why no one ever thought of looking at what was under their noses all along.
And we’re going with THAT.
lmao…..
You guys think you are soooo smart over there, dismissing everything and putting off the remainder of the evidence as a pack of lies. To be fair…you don’t know everything that WE know right now regarding Christiansen and Geestman. But as I said, once Geestman’s family saw him on Decoded lying like that…tossing Kenny under the bus as he did…it was only a matter of time before the truth came out. Remember…some of these family members offered up testimony and evidence BEFORE ‘Uncle Bernie’ was foolish enough to go on national TV without telling them, or talking to them about it.
Maybe you should ask yourself why the production companies not only signed on to do the KC story, but boosted the payment to obtain a second year. They have told me already that if production shooting doesn’t get off the ground by January 23, they will extend the contract another year, and pay about double what they did the last time. They have also said they are hoping this won’t be necessary. Frankly, I don’t care how long they take. So far, their checks haven’t bounced.
Look, I did not invent this situation. They came to me, I did not go to them. You talk about ‘small groups,’ well I have been to your site as well. Basically, you have the same dozen people or so making most of the postings and comments. And since the public can’t view any pictures or links you guys post up…half the posts make no sense to the public. The producers researched your website, as well as other sources, for more than a year before they finally contacted me. Even Dropzone didn’t operate as you do. Holding back content unless you get people to register is really brain dead if you are trying to reach the public, because once people understand that’s what your site is about…they often don’t bother coming back. Attention spans on the internet are very short. Now personally…I don’t care WHAT you do. That’s your business, but it’s a poor model.
This is why you have influence in the case, but it only extends to a few select people. You just aren’t reaching the general public much. I don’t have a problem with it, but it’s not the best way to run a railroad. This is one of the reasons why the KC video has been viewed almost 70,000 times to date, and your videos are lucky to break a hundred views.
I have seen EU’s proposal about the symposium. I do wish you luck with that, but I can already see some problems. Geoff Gray had the backing of Crown Books, as well as the fat advance check he received from them to do the book tour. This project should have begun earlier in the year. Tossing this together in less than three months is a bigger job than you think. I know this from my work helping organize the last Cooper event (and being on Planning Committee for Auburn Days), which believe it or not was a big success. And despite Bryan’s weird reactions afterward, he walked away with more than $2,000 after expenses for a single day’s work. And most of that was due to AB’s extensive efforts to help him. How will you reach people? Where will be the website where people can get information on the event? Your forum? LOL…you will post up links and pictures without any REAL people listed as coordinators…public won’t see any of it anyway. 🙂 Your friends will be the majority of viewers.
You could try a press release, I suppose. But then again…PR requires information which your site is not set up to provide. You will be mostly ignored. You also don’t have any keynote speakers yet, but you can probably fix that one. If you want attendance, you need a ‘hook,’ and a good one.
With less than ninety days to go and still a ‘maybe,’ and no solid internet stuff, you will be lucky to get a dozen people on that Saturday to show up. Mostly they will just be the same folks you hang with right now. Why? Because you aren’t reaching the public. This is where being restrictive hurts you.
You know, I had to sit here and read how you don’t care we changed policies at Adventure Books and no longer discuss anything you guys say or do, even if it is negative toward AB. We both know that was a phony statement on your part. You watch EVERYTHING we do, waiting to pounce if we actually said something negative. Don’t bother. That policy is permanent.
What you guys might want to try regarding this symposium is to set up a separate website for it, that IS open to the public, and just direct media and public inquiries THERE. Getting the word out on an event, and somehow convincing the public to show, especially around the holidays…brother that’s harder than you think. Not impossible, but hard.
Robert just worry about your camping trip. I will be attending the synopsis…looking forward to talking to Tom Kaye, he suspected cooper was involved in the manufacturing of crt tubes because of the presence of yytrium and other electrode type particles. Yytrium again is ultra rare and is not found as a single element in nature. There were only two uses and or applications for yytrium at that time. Tom Kaye theorized the first which was crt tube production, yytrium was used as the phosphor in crt tubes to get the red color on the screen. I have now discovered the other application. I am 100% certain all rare earth particles found on coopers tie came from one thing and one thing only…..tungsten electrode rods also known as filler rods or wire for TIG welding. I will post links below of examples being sold online. These rods contain a mixture of tungsten and rare earth metals yytrium, 99% cerium, cerium lanthanum, antimony 99%, strontium sulfide, Mercury sulfide, and barium sulfate. Every single one of these rare and unusual particles are listen on Kayes 2017 McCrone and coincidentally every single one of these elements are welding electrodes found in TIG welding wire/rods. Boeing also used commercially pure ti filler wire on the ti alloy hydraulic tubing testing project for the sst… it says so in the document I linked earlier, I’ll find the page. So there you have it, I found the one single source for every rare earth element found on the tie….welding electrodes from TIG welding filler wire/rods!
Bobby, I don’t have time for your false assumptions…I haven’t been to your site in ages…that’s the truth, bottom line, end of story…I don’t have time to look and see what Bobby has written on his little forum..don’t know who is there, who has posted, or how many threads you have etc. don’t care..if I post something here, that also doesn’t mean I look at your site..if I go to the bathroom and my tablet is there, it doesn’t mean I look at your site…do you understand…I don’t care…
keep writing chapters all you want…this should keep you going for at least a week…try to get some sleep though and getting all worked up over internet crap…get a grip dude, really…
Have a nice day 🙂
Shutter: I don’t have any ‘false assumptions’. I have experience in these things. There’s a difference. As far as the AB Forum, I don’t visit it much either. It’s there ‘for later,’ as it were. But then I’m not looking for internet traffic there. I don’t think I’ve posted up much other than a short story or something. I don’t even do the ‘Quickie Updates if You’re In a Hurry’ thread anymore. It’s basically just a ‘holding place’ site for later use. Which means…after they make an announcement on the movie, so I won’t be caught off-guard. Meyer Louie, myself, NW Rob are the only ones who even post…and not very much.
Frankly, I just don’t see where the approach taken by you and your friends has really worked. Let’s face facts…you came after me in spades for a real long time, even pulling out the child rapist card on Christiansen…and you couldn’t change a damn thing. Not only that…but by doing those things you put yourself out there publicly as supporting attacks in Cooperland. You tried exclusion…you tried a Special Page on Kenny with a cute dancing icon…and none of it worked. Just made you look bad to everyone except a few of your members…and even some of THEM contacted me privately about all of it. That’s the hard truth. Over here at AB and a couple of other places, everyone knows you are hoping like hell they DON’T do the movie on Kenny and Bernie because you would suddenly look like an outright fool. But that’s the chance you take by pulling out all the stops on one side of a question. It’s like rolling the dice…and hoping you don’t come up craps.
I made some suggestions on the symposium. Why? Because I spent years helping organize events like these, not on the Cooper case, but on subjects where it’s actually EASIER to get people to show up. We had five successes, and one failure. I learned from all that.
But don’t listen to me. You probably know what you’re doing. You can tell Eric (EU) something for me. If he wants help, AB of Seattle is willing to provide that…MAYBE…but he has to contact us on his own about it. If our help isn’t needed or wanted, and the event is a success, that is fine, too. I never said I didn’t support Cooper events. I just said I wasn’t going to personally attend any more of them. 🙂
You guys better get moving, though. You have less than ninety days, and it goes by faster than you think.
Add On: I fully expect that any help offered will be responded to in the following manner:
1) *You aren’t involved, and it doesn’t involve you.*) True enough. I already said I would be in California that week on a family visit.
2) (*We don’t NEED your help.*) You need something, that’s for sure. Less than three months to pull off an event like this, and expect any real attendance from the public, is going to be tough.
Right now, I see this event as either ending up as a few familiar faces just having a meeting at the yacht club, or is eventually cancelled. You guys talked mucho crap regarding the last Cooper Party, the one we organized for Mr Ungrateful, aka Bryan. But we got him into two newspapers, made sure people showed up, and even convinced Travel Channel to change their shooting schedule and film the event. That kind of on-the-ground organization isn’t easy and requires a great deal of work.
It only took me a week to fill up eleven of the available fourteen camping slots for the Cooper Campout. And I’m still getting requests about it. Forest Service told me today that MORE than fourteen can go, as long as the overflow folks are camped at least a few feet away from the main site. Just can’t have more than that in the same spot. And they asked us to PLEASE pick up all our trash, which we will certainly do.
Otherwise, you guys should just meet up at Bryan’s place and do it there. He has a better venue anyway, and you can get a banquet license for the day. Better than the Yacht Club, I think. But that’s just my personal opinion.
Last Suggestion: Start picking a committee to organize things for the event. Assign specific jobs to everyone on the committee and make sure they come through. You need a temporary website using the name of the event. Like this: DBCooperSymposium dot com
That would work. Someone should be responsible for site content. Someone should be responsible for media contacts and getting the word out. Assign other jobs as needed. Plan on offering free snacks or whatever. Food always gets some folks to show up. And you absolutely MUST have at least ONE known keynote speaker. Two or three are better because you can use it in advertising.
Anyway…good luck. If EU needs some funding or other service to help him pull this off, have him contact me. You all know my email by now. 🙂
I’m sure Eric doesn’t need your help…we are contacting all the people needed..I don’t care about your “public”. I don’t want you associated with anything concerning me or my forum..do you understand? why do you really think you have the key to this? the failed forums, the lack of attendance at the theater, even though you lied about it on the DZ stating you packed the house? you can’t even remember the lies you tell..like you said the other day…you do your thing, and we will do ours…got it?
get off your butt and get the records you have been claiming to do for over 5 years dude. it’s the same story with Mitchell. it’s been years you have been trying to contact him or claiming to have..
you are not needed…(speaking through bullhorn) do…you…under…stand….Bobby?
Trigger alert lol
Actually…it was only ONE time we didn’t get good attendance at the theater. I mean…with thousands of people downtown…and the Auburn Ave theater BEING downtown…it wasn’t that difficult to get decent attendance most of the time. And the Cooper Party in Ariel was a big success, both financial and in attendance. You ignored that, of course. I even got a TV show to change their plans for us. Same show YOU were on LOL. You didn’t even realize we were working with them behind the scenes.
I’m not going to inquire about any more records regarding the Cooper case. I do answer questions, but already have everything we need, we got the movie contract, and I will let the picture speak for us on the Cooper case. Anything new, I will post it to a WordPress article. You find those by clicking on my name up there on the left. Frankly, you can believe what you want, but I think we have this one locked down pretty well. I did my job.
Who cares about whether a forum is ‘successful’ or not? It’s nice, but doesn’t pay the bills. Yours is allegedly a big hit, yet you got bypassed for the first-ever full length feature film on the Cooper case. How did that happen? 🙂
Associate with your forum? This isn’t about YOU. This is about Eric and others trying to make a success out of something very difficult, and having less than three months to pull it off. You guys should just save your time and effort and meet at a local bar. At least there will be bar patrons there to boost attendance.
I’m glad you speak for Eric on this issue. I was wondering who the responsible person was. If help from AB is not wanted or needed, there is nothing gained by being insulting about it. I have enough on my plate already. But I will bet a dollar to a doughnut we will get more people willing to drive out twenty miles offroad for our Cooper Campout than you will ever get down at the Yacht Club for this symposium. Not because the symposium is a bad idea. It isn’t. It’s because you will find out it’s harder to get people to actually show up to these things than you think. 🙂
Why doesn’t the planning committee hire Robert to clean up after the symposium🤣 you know, mopping sweeping, …..
and turd patrol.😂
Why doesn’t the planning committee hire Robert to clean up after the symposium🤣 you know, mopping sweeping, …..
and turd patrol.😂
Why doesn’t the planning committee hire Robert to clean up after the symposium🤣 you know, mopping sweeping, …..
and turd patrol.😂
Well…they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Smart-ass comments will only get you so far on this project. I offered my help, perhaps even a substantial donation, which I can easily afford these days. These offers were rejected. I’m okay with that, but I will also be interested to know later how it all went. I won’t even venture any opinions on that, but you’d better stop coming after me and START getting to work. You have less than ninety days and it goes by fast.
I never said I didn’t support the idea. I just said I had other things going the week of Thanksgiving and no longer attended these things anyway. I do wish you luck, though.
why doesn’t Bobby worry about his own busy life? busy busy busy…never busy enough to butt into things…plenty room..up all night but busy all day?
one thing I never hassle him for is cleaning toilets or the cleaning biz they have..nothing wrong with it…days work is a days work..
EDIT: Actually…they bypassed you for the Travel Channel show as well…didn’t they? Some of your members did appear, though.
Robert, your memory is horrible…yes, we knew they were working with Bryan and you…you also said “they blew us off” Amanda and the others were not impressed with you…I mentioned you name and they said “we know all about Robert” how many from my forum were on the show 🙂 4 5?
Josh is the man who says what goes on HIS show…I was slated to be flown to California until Josh got the chance to jump out of a plane..so yes, josh wins, I lose…alert the press…I have told this story many times…
“I’m glad you speak for Eric on this issue.”
you speak for everyone Robert..I’m not speaking for anyone…”I’m sure Eric doesn’t need your help”..can you read, should I send a recording and braille so you can fully understand? speaking for Eric would imply “Eric doesn’t need your help” do…you…under…stand…now?
all of this from “crawling around in the woods” you just keep bringing up more drama with every post..Johnny is right..you should be paying Bruce..we know, you are busy and this will be your last post and you are removing the shortcut…the shortcut, the shortcut…broken record, broken record…this is a recording……..
toss in the 150 pages on your next post…then follow up with the nasty comments from 2011..
Edit: didn’t they bypass you on the History channel when you thought the show was going to surround Kenny, only to be blasted by your buddy Rackstraw 🙂 remember that keen eye of yours thinking Sheridan was Lyle or Bernie, can’t remember which lmao…you were steamed lol…
HUGE post coming….trigger alert..in coming lol….
Well…they showed Kenny’s famous overlay image in their commercial previews, so yes…I wondered if they were going the Kenny route. But after I saw the show, I was glad I wasn’t involved with that turkey.
You should hear what NY reporter Billy Jensen said about it in his emails to me. As you know, he was in the cast. Let’s just say he wanted nothing to do with it afterward. 🙂
Then the production company who actually DID the show got raided by REAL FBI agents when their own accountant tried extorting them. This caused other shows done by the production company to get dropped from the networks that were carrying them. It was a total disaster from start to end.
LOL…like I would want AB of Seattle to be involved with all that. Not a chance.
If you click on my name in the upper left there, just scroll down to look for my two illustrated articles on the show, Less Than Zero, and Life Imitates Art.
‘Less Than Zero’ talks about the show itself. ‘Life Imitates Art’ talks about the FBI raid and the accountant. They pretty much tell the story and have gotten tens of thousands of views.
And Rackstraw is not ‘my buddy’. He may even have killed someone and gotten away with it, but neither was he Cooper.
Yes, and if the show was about Kenny and we found the information about the raid you would downplay the hell out of it….give us a break…
“Yes, and if the show was about Kenny and we found the information about the raid you would downplay the hell out of it….give us a break…”
But the show WASN’T about Kenny was it? It was about Rackstraw, although the production company did a Skype with me and requested (and received) the FBI report on Kenny. Turns out they were so focused on Rackstraw that the information we provided to them frightened the shit out of them, too. When I saw the show, and realized what was going on, I was just happy I wasn’t involved in the whole thing. It still remains the most ridiculous TV program ever presented on Cooper, with the exception of maybe ‘Up The Creek’.
Like I said, you should hear what reporter Billy Jensen had to say about the whole thing. I actually made a post earlier responding to you, but since I actually linked the exact articles at WordPress I did on this whole disaster, the comment was marked for approval by Bruce first. That’s why I had to name the articles manually.
I would say it was a very fortunate thing for AB that we were not included, or involved in any way, with that production. 🙂
Shutter says:
“why doesn’t Bobby worry about his own busy life? busy busy busy…never busy enough to butt into things…plenty room..up all night but busy all day?
one thing I never hassle him for is cleaning toilets or the cleaning biz they have..nothing wrong with it…days work is a days work..”
True enough. And it’s not like we’re the only ones in the housecleaning biz. We’re just a little better at it than the average service. 🙂 But that’s my own slanted opinion on things.
Look, I don’t care what you guys do over there. I’m pretty much past that stuff. But I also know that you pulled out all the stops for a long time against us. You allowed name calling posts on your site by a former mod (Georger), (and others, fifty plus pages of screenshots aren’t lying) created a special page aimed at us, and supported just about anything anti-Blevins even if the person making the comments went off the deep end. We know all that. So do many other people, you just don’t realize it. You allowed this to happen at the same time the original production company for the upcoming picture was doing heavy internet research. When I requested you at least remove a COUPLE of those website comments, you refused. I’m okay with that too…but I can also point people to them if they have questions.
No one is ‘butting in’ here. You think you are the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper. Maybe to a few people, sure. But we also have a book out there, more than 20 intelligent – and illustrated – articles out there on the Cooper case…and we got the movie. This proves your theory that people just ‘ignore’ us isn’t even close to the truth. Your policy of non-inclusion and a website that restricts both links and pictures from public viewing came back to bite you. Allowing all those trashy posts, and supporting other ones on other sites didn’t help either.
That’s the way I see it, anyway.
Why doesn’t the planning committee hire Robert to clean up after the symposium�� you know, mopping sweeping, …..
and turd patrol.�� RMB, a turd patrolling for turds, very fitting indeed!
From AB’s ‘Nice Try, Boys’ Department: I got a big laugh this morning when someone tried changing our outside website on our DB Cooper Facebook page from AB to The DB Cooper Forum instead.
LOL…Facebook emails you a notice when someone does that and gives you fifteen days to accept/reject the change.
I will leave it to your imagination which option I selected.
Create your own page at Facebook if you want one there. Don’t try to hijack mine. 🙂 Some of you are nothing but funny sometimes.
“No one is ‘butting in’ here. You think you are the be-all and end-all of everything Cooper.”
I have never claimed that nor do I show that behavior. that’s you once again projecting. I’m not half as involved in Cooper as I use to be..I’ve told you over and over that I do this as a hobby. no fortune or fame..I never look for attention..that’s your job.
You keep claiming you don’t care but here you are 5 years later whining about things on someone else’s thread!!!! it irritates you to no end about photo’s and links, but you don’t care, right lol…I have members that like it just the way it is so do you really think I care what you think?
do you remember why I started my forum…I seen the end coming on the DZ. I also didn’t want you to continue to clog up forums..that doesn’t mean we can’t talk about you..look above at all the comments…they are caused because of YOU. I’m not going to continue to engage you in a circle of never ending crap…yes, I have dozens of screenshots…should I start telling people to email me so they can see them? nope, I don’t engage in little schoolboy tactics…you job once again.
You say you have extra money? start your homeless movie you keep putting off. put the money to a good cause…give to charity etc. stop worrying about us..I hope you didn’t talk to any of the homeless and bypass them for your Cooper agenda..a lot of things get put off with you..Reca already has a movie coming out..doesn’t matter if it’s bullshit…they get the job done and bypass the milking stage..how do you say it…”you better get moving”
In closing, may I suggest a treatment for your irritation and mood swings..Midol is sold over the counter and can be purchased by all….
🙂
‘Who cares about whether a forum is ‘successful’ or not? It’s nice, but doesn’t pay the bills. Yours is allegedly a big hit, yet you got bypassed for the first-ever full length feature film on the Cooper case. How did that happen?”
Stop lying Robert…you know very well that YOU were bypassed…it’s not the other way around..this is a lie you continue to use…I said no, Andrade said no, and Bruce got the run around from you…basically, he also said no…you have to be constantly corrected on this well known lie Robert…no way around it..it’s a lie you have been telling as one even after admitting to it…more of that truth you seek flying out of your mouth…the producers who want nothing to do with us wants help from us, and also credit us…makes sense????
Also, I never claimed to be a “big hit” that’s more projection from YOU…these are clear signs of jealousy more than anything…you also clearly show it’s all about greed with you…it’s…a…hobby…with…me…do…you…under…stand…Bob…E…?
Come on…trying to fool others is one thing. Fooling YOURSELF is quite another.
Nobody around this place is jealous regarding the current situation. Why would we? Things went better than I thought they would, and continue in the same direction. As far as being bypassed, that happened when the film production companies contacted me instead of anyone who is hanging at your site, even the two folks with books out there on the Cooper case. Instead, they come to ME and ask if I will approach you on their behalf. Everyone said no. Okay, that’s fine. I’m actually glad these days everyone said no, because none of you can keep a secret and if you HAD come on board for the picture, I can see from comments HERE that the only participation any of you would have done would be to try and trash the entire project. So you did me a favor by refusing. I had my doubts about approaching all of you from the start, but I did what I was asked.
LOL you didn’t even bother with putting up a notice that a movie on Cooper was coming, and that members were being ‘felt out’ to see if they wanted in…even though a couple of them were offered fairly nice contracts. You weren’t even smart enough to cooperate just to find out what was going on, and then started in with the disparaging comments on your website about the movie project. Some of it was pretty ugly, I must say. And the producers saw all that…and then we discussed the whole thing via Skype a number of times. The end result was ‘we’re better off without them.” That’s a quote.
Cooper is not my full time job either, Dudley. What happened was you let your emotions get in the way of making smart decisions. You spent all that time and effort creating ‘the biggest website on DB Cooper,’ and then were foolish enough to let the biggest thing that’s come down the pike in years on the case just float right past you. In fact, you didn’t even give your own members a fair shake regarding whether they want might to be involved in the movie. You made that decision FOR them, although to be fair, Bruce and Marty A did respond to me personally about it. You also did the same thing regarding the last Cooper Party in Ariel. The night before the event, you and Georger were STILL making negative comments about it. Why? Because AB was involved. Ever since then, you keep hoping we will simply ‘go away,’ but all that happened was we became even MORE involved and you can’t stand it. I also believe you are terrified we might be right on Christiansen.
Frankly speaking…you should be.
You can look at all the ugly rhetoric going around this place and see where the truth REALLY is. There is no working with you folks. You (not you specifically) keep up the name calling, the insults, the attacks…and people see that. Then sometimes they come looking for us and find out a whole different take on the situation.
I don’t personally care whether links or pictures are visible to the public at your website. But some of your members have books out there, or post links to this and that…and no one can see ANY of it except your closed little group. That is unbelievably SELFISH on your part. Ever considered that some of your members might WANT to reach the public, after taking all the time to support you and your site, using their time to help explore the case? Bruce and Marty might even sell more books. You might start getting more input from the public or the media. Just saying.
One of the big things I covered in my autobiography, ‘Cooperland,’ was the senseless fighting that goes on in that place. It takes up an entire chapter. And I could barely cover it doing that.
Name calling is suppose to be prohibited on the site?
I don’t have to post anything in regards to your movie Robert…that’s my choice. you don’t like it, that’s to bad…the senseless fighting is the continuation coming from YOU….this is all inside your little mind constantly harping or whining about things such as not posting a movie nobody has verified…I haven’t posted Reca’s movie deal either? who cares….you whine when you are talked about and you whine when we don’t…jealousy from being left out is so vivid and noticed by ALL 🙂
Robert, negative comments occur night and day on the internet..did you miss the memo? then you turn around and do the very same things you are against…your not fooling anyone son..you have attacked me publicly with politics, you have did the unspeakable of dragging a dead friend through the mud, you are a little schoolboy tattletale about everything..you have several middle names..discredit, deceptive, childish, odd, nightstalker to name a few..the best one is how you try to paint the picture of Mr. Innocent…your buddy 377 coined you the “venom magnet” you must be proud to carry such a load, a load of crap! then you wonder why nobody in this community wants anything to do with you? to top it off you stick around where you are clearly the underdog and get abused on a daily basis…if you left, like you have said dating back to 2010 for crying out loud some discussion would continue but you would fade away rather quickly…3 days over a little comment “crawling around in the woods” dug into you like a tick..get some help dude..you clearly have issue’s with criticism, huge issue’s…staying up to daylight issue’s..it eats you alive…..don’t say it doesn’t the proof is above..you are bad news Robert, plain and simple..you have done this to yourself, not me..
Hope to see ya at the conference…be there or be square lmao…
Criticism is one thing Shutter. Outright using your website to come after both myself and Gayla over a period of years is quite another…even YOU tried stepping in on your own members, issuing your famous ‘Final Notice,’ which everyone ignored. And then when Georger went too far, he suddenly lost his mod powers. Over fifty pages of complete-screen shots tell the story. Your ‘community’ as you call it are just a few people, half of whom are mean-spirited in the first place. Every positive thing we’ve done regarding the Cooper case, you jumped on it and encouraged your own members when they did the same thing. It goes on and on.
You are simply pissed off that they came to us for the first-ever movie on the case. It is as simple as that. Your pride was hurt, and then you made things worse by not even asking your members if they wanted in on the action. You didn’t even give them a chance, and that wasn’t fair to do that to them just because had personal issues going with me. You didn’t even believe there WAS a movie in the works. Trust me, there is.
You tossed out all the roadblocks, used your site (a place where I couldn’t respond in person) as a negativity platform, and it backfired on you. But that’s YOUR fault. When I made responses by quoting you over at the old version of the AB Forum…you bitched to our server about it. Now we don’t talk about you at all.
Thanks for the invite to the conference, but I will be in California that week. You can tell Eric for me that if he needs any help, AB can provide that, but he will have to ask me personally. I think you will manage just fine without my help though.
I’ve wasted a lot of time arguing with you over the last few days. Sometimes I think you’re disappointed we DON’T discuss anymore at the AB Forum. Nothing for you to fill out official complaints about, LOL.
From bLIEvins’ long winded turdola: Your ‘community’ as you call it are just a few people, half of whom are mean-spirited in the first place. Every positive thing we’ve done regarding the Cooper case, you jumped on it and encouraged your own members when they did the same thing. It goes on and on.
Bullshit bLIEvins, you’re the one that’s “mean spirited,” responding to your bullshit causes others to seem mean spirited. I’m not a mean spirited person, but I come off that way with regard to you, because you are a relentless and habitual liar. No doubt that shutter banned you because you did the same thing on his forum that you do right here, you dominate the message board with long winded and endless lies. It’s called “contempt” that’s what honest people develop in response to a serial liar such as yourself. You then turn right around when confronted and twist the dialog with even more lies. YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert, I’m not pissed off about anything…..I…DO…THIS…AS…A…HOBBY…you are projecting once again…you are the ultimate snowflake…the slightest comment will set you off..
I don’t care about shows, movie deals etc. once again that’s your gig..my forum is on the internet just like this one and a billion others…I’m a grain of sand in a desert setting..you don’t like what’s going on or said…that’s your problem…get some help to get through this problem..we do just fine with or without your negative BS..you spew it 24/7 and it’s old, very old news dude..
you have this odd belief that you are important and should be the key to all of this? my God dude. get a grip on reality, seriously..you are a small time book editor who has written some books..guess what, millions have done the very same…you believe you solved the case..guess what, get in line…you have plenty of competition and they all sound like you…damn near each and everyone of them..it’s the same old story..
Code cracked to DB Cooper case (Rackstraw) agents agree…
My uncle was Cooper (LD Cooper)
Cooper dies and the TRUTH of who he was comes out (Reca)
they all have followers from your loving public…”it makes sense to me, he was Cooper, I’m sure” they all say lol..how can you all be right? talk about broken records…you guys are the reason for CD’s…you broke all the records mao
I’ve wasted a lot of time arguing with you over the last few days.
you shouldn’t have posted then…very simple Robert…even a caveman can do it 🙂
No. You wasted a lot of time coming after me and mine in a personal way…AND supporting others doing the same thing. Count this: Over fifty pages of screenshots taken from your site all with the same theme. And then you have the nerve to get butthurt and start monitoring us and playing dirty tricks when we had the absolute gall to respond.
You can call your website and all of its members a ‘hobby’ if you wish. But a lot of it is a really ugly thing. I’m not the only one who has seen that, either. I don’t believe you are a liar. But you are a PHONY to the end degree for sure. You think it’s okay to engage in those things, and no one will notice. Surprise. People NOTICED. They just aren’t telling you about it.
The trust factor with your members, and some of the hangers-on who populate these comments, is absolute zero. Once in a while you challenge me on the truth whether the movie is coming out or not. You say you don’t believe it without proof. My response is that even if I gave you all the details, you and some of your friends would pull out all the stops to trash it somehow. I know that…YOU know that.
No one trusts you anymore. Not with anything really important. I think leaving you as a mushroom, as far as information goes, was the right thing to do. As Amazon at Dropzone (Jeannie) once said to me:
“They deserve each other over there…”
She was also the one who the lie to you and your friends’ claims that I was responsible for the closing of the Cooper thread at Dropzone. You want to know who was really responsible? Some of your current members, because they kept complaining to the Admin, aka Sangiro. He got tired of the messages. 🙂
No. You wasted a lot of time coming after me and mine in a personal way…AND supporting others doing the same thing. Count this: Over fifty pages of screenshots taken from your site all with the same theme. And then you have the nerve to get butthurt and start monitoring us and playing dirty tricks when we had the absolute gall to respond.
and I have dozens of screenshots of you and past members, so your point is?
nobody monitored you…that once again is your job..admitted to using a friend/employee to monitor my forum…I was told from others about your behavior..I don’t have time to monitor anything…
that’s another lie claiming dirty tricks…ONCE again something you master, not me. it’s amazing how you get upset breaking your own forum rules and whining to me about it..you switch constantly from me shutting you down and then Nicky…you are the one who gets butthurt..here you are since January whining and lying about me on a forum that doesn’t belong to you..
Get a life dude…seriously..
I don’t care what you think about the DZ..you were a main contributor to the last post..all you did there was what you do here..piss and moan about others, go off topic with BS life stories on a Cooper thread and then claim you had no part in it…Denial is another middle name I forgot that fits you…
I don’t have anymore time for you so I guess you can continue to fill this thread up with the same old crap you have been spewing for over 5 years now…
the floor is yours…write those novels…
By ‘same old crap’ I will assume you don’t mean things like offering suggestions on how to organize an event so that people actually show up…or inviting Cooper fans on a fun camping trip?
Here’s a suggestion for you, Dudley Do-Right. Why don’t you keep your negative opinions about AB of Seattle and our activities to yourself, and we will do the same regarding the DB Cooper Forum and its members.
It’s obvious we agree on almost nothing, so this is probably the best course.
Just one more thing for your thoughts, which I didn’t notice right away…
Shutter says in part:
“Robert, your memory is horrible…yes, we knew they were working with Bryan and you…you also said “they blew us off” Amanda and the others were not impressed with you…I mentioned you name and they said “we know all about Robert” how many from my forum were on the show 🙂 4 5?”
Yes, I saw them on the show. They did well.
You mean Amanda MARKS? And her associates Cameron Reed, Jen Sheeran, and Caylie Dunnam? You are mistaken, or just plain lying. I received thank you messages from all of them, and they went out of their way to change their schedule (as I asked) to shoot the last Ariel Party as part of the show.
And…then we fed everyone who showed up, including the entire crew. I did most of the cooking, although I had help.
And…assisted Bryan in raising more than $2,000 toward store repairs. We even set up computer stations in the store so people could use their credit/debit cards to make additional contributions. Some did make contributions that way, too. The $2,000 was only the cash contributions. I don’t know how much he made on the credit/debit receipts.
We even provided the water service, the music, and the PA system for the auction.
*What did YOU do? You and Georger made complaints at your website the very evening before the party.* YOU said you would support the effort…if AB of Seattle wasn’t involved. I have your screenshot on that. I wasn’t going to bring that up, but I think people should know the truth.
We received thank-you messages later from those nice people I listed above, as well as the some of the crew. You are sooo full of it sometimes Dudley, I swear. 🙂
Yes. I think we should agree to disagree on just about everything. AB has one approach to the Cooper case, (mostly POSITIVE, although we have been known to ‘talk back’ when we believe we’re right, or when we view something we think is unfair) and you have yours.
We prefer OURS.
Seriously bLIEvins, STFU. Only another serial liar such as yourself is gonna appreciate your agenda of lies.
Whatever, sir. I’m just glad to be going on vacation soon.
http://adventurebooks.boards.net/threads/recent/8
Bryan Woodruff started sending me emails after he realized the mistake with Robert. the whole town noticed something was wrong with Robert. he banned us all from the event, including me even though he knew I wasn’t coming lol…Robert DEMANDED Bruce be banned. another one of the little things Robert thinks is not a big deal…who in there right mind would try and help someone but be so possessed to continue to attack me and others involved with the Cooper case? once again he used someone’s death to his advantage…much worse than what he pulled with me..95% of the time Robert was negative against me…full blown personal attack mode..of course he will twist it all around putting it on me 🙂
Hello Dave,
Robert’s postings on the Ariel page and my own page alienated a lot of my family, pretty much used both to attack others, and Mom’s side of my family no longer acknowledge anything I post.
Close friends believe Robert is trying to take the attention away from Ariel Store and myself as owner, directing everybody to his site for information or up-dates. Likes to put words in other peoples mouths including mine doesn’t he. Figure he staged the attic find, or someone else did. The evening prior to the BBQ, Robert had your forum showing on his computer and was trying to get others to view it. Robert demanded Bruce not be allowed here, so to keep the peace while the travel channel was here the next day I asked him to have Meyer not bring Bruce to the Party just so there would be no problems between Bruce and Robert.
Robert and Paul both suggested I sell the 1978 postcard in the auction, why because it doesn’t fit into the Kenny story for their benefit. Don’t think Robert has changed his error’s, as they are still on his own face book page as recently as this past weekend. Obviously Robert didn’t get my hint when I told him not to involve Ariel Store, Mom, or me in his dispute with you all. Everything about Ariel Store doesn’t go thru Robert he’s not the owner, I am, but he sure does act like he does at times which has been noticed. Karma will get him, what goes around comes around. Robert was told to back off, and remove his posting in regards to you all from the Ariel Store face book page.
Just might visit or join your forum much to Robert’s displeasure.
Have a good night, Bryan
HUGE trigger alert…take cover, deflection approaching 🙂
*What did YOU do? You and Georger made complaints at your website the very evening before the party.* YOU said you would support the effort…if AB of Seattle wasn’t involved. I have your screenshot on that. I wasn’t going to bring that up, but I think people should know the truth.”
absolutely 100% correct…because I knew what would happen with you involved and sure enough it was a disaster…why, you ask?
Brian Woodruff quote
“What’s most notable is how one used the Ariel General Store and Tavern face book page in his attempts to settle a score with others in postings attacking them at the expense of Ariel Store”
the same email ends with the following quote
” Now as the administrator there will be know further postings on it attacking others. I’ll simply not allow it no more to be used to attack others as it only resulted in Ariel Store being liabled and a dark cloud put over Ariel Store and myself as the owner, even though it was done without my consent nor permission.”
That’s why I NEVER supported what was going on in Ariel!!
The fact of YOU smearing a whole towns name to benefit your need to get back at us is the lowest of lows. you tried to ban everyone from my forum and wonder why bad comments are STILL on my forum..screw you pal..
Yes, I tried to help Brian after you left but it’s a large project that is out of my control..the fact remains of the damage you produced while being involved. even whining about fuel cost.
the whole thing started when Bruce posted an email Brian sent him..you blasted him for posting “private information” how many times have you done the very same lmao…seriously dude..get help.
More crap and monotenous bullshit from the same old Robert Blevins, who owns AB of Seattle. Cant write or edit any commercial grade fiction or non-fiction so he continues to dump his deep bullshit, propoganda and lies here on Bruce’s site because it’s free. This is the ONLY place Robert has an audience. His writing is bullshit writing full of sentences about his pretend camping trips, his overwork schedule, and his yarns. Old shit and not otherwise publishable anyplace else. Only here. He would put it in AB except for the fact no one goes to AB to read anything. Poor guy. A wannabe with no one to follow him. Just a few critics here who read Bruce’s work. Blevins is a guy without a purpose or a literary following. Just readers who call bullshit. Lots of bullshit.
More crap and monotenous bullshit from the same old Robert Blevins, who owns AB of Seattle. Cant write or edit any commercial grade fiction or non-fiction so he continues to dump his deep bullshit, propoganda and lies here on Bruce’s site because it’s free. This is the ONLY place Robert has an audience. His writing is bullshit writing full of sentences about his pretend camping trips, his overwork schedule, and his yarns. Old shit and not otherwise publishable anyplace else. Only here. He would put it in AB except for the fact no one goes to AB to read anything. Poor guy. A wannabe with no one to follow him. Just a few critics here who read Bruce’s work. Blevins is a guy without a purpose or a literary following. Just readers who call bullshit. Lots of bullshit.
I didn’t produce any ‘damage’ there Dudley. I gave you the straight scoop on what happened in Ariel and how AB participated. And there is no doubt that Bryan W had personal issues. After the party, one of the things I forgot to take back to Seattle was an expensive Industrial First Aid kit, which I accidentally left behind the bar. Bryan denied he had it, and I let it go. He also found out from someone AFTER he got everything he needed/wanted, INCLUDING the extensive newspaper articles I got posted for him…and the airing of his party on national TV…that I was a big Democrat. HE was an over-the-top supporter of Trump.
Bryan refers to the posts I made on his Ariel Store Facebook page…a page he asked me to create and monitor. I mentioned the comments made by you and Georger the night before the event. I did not appreciate those negative comments when you and Mr Grouch had no idea what we were doing for Bryan. And…Bryan saw the comments the night beforehand as well…and he was pissed off…not at me…but at YOU and the Cooper Forum in general. In fact, it was those trashy things you and Georger said that evening that caused Bruce Smith to be banned from the event. Bryan said he didn’t want anyone from the Cooper Forum showing up. He sort of blamed all of you.
You weren’t there. You were 3,000 miies away. You had no idea what was going on for real.
I can live with all of that except…the part where you claim Travel Channel and/or Josh Gates’ folks were not happy with me work. That is a load of baloney, and I have addressed that. You never do anything that could be remotely construed as ‘wrong,’ do you? At least that’s the package you try to sell to the people reading this now.
The fact is…you either lied back there or you were uninformed. I worked on that project from April until the day it happened in August. Three trips at 128 miles each way. First one to do the promotional photos. Second one to deliver supplies. Third one to deliver more supplies and equipment. The work involved was tremendous. What did YOU do? Nothing…except tell people you didn’t support any of it because AB of Seattle was involved. More selfishness, more baloney. You aren’t even FROM the Northwest. What in the heck do you think you know about trying to save a NW icon?
Don’t ever say it was a disaster, a failure, whatever…or that somehow I was the cause of that. Bryan got a lot of money, got his TV, got his news coverage…all for free. I did most of that for him You just picked on the whole thing because I was involved. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Just because Bryan went weird on everyone after the party doesn’t mean I didn’t do my job. I actually know why he did, you know…he found out I was a Democrat LOL. And he was a full-bore Trump supporter. Someone told him this, although to me it wasn’t about politics.
Two things should happen here. You should stay out of Adventure Books’ business, and stop bullshitting people. That part about ‘Amanda’ was a real laugher. Most of the cast and crew on the show told me later that because of what we did…it was the best, and most fun segment of the show.
It was a DISASTER son! you used the whole thing to personally attack me! no if’s and’s or butt’s about it!
The good was heavily out weighed by the bad!
“What’s most notable is how one used the Ariel General Store and Tavern face book page in his attempts to settle a score with others in postings attacking them at the expense of Ariel Store”
you went full blast son….I don’t give a crap what you say…period dot….END…
Actually…I think you owe me, Cooper fans, and the people of the Great Northwest an APOLOGY for sticking your Dudley-Do-Right nose in where it didn’t belong…and where you didn’t really know what was going on.
You have a lot of nerve, I will give you that. Bryan was just fine until he read that crap on the Cooper Forum the night before the party. He was never the same after that. I’m not totally sure what happened with him. When I left for home after the party, he made a special point to come up and shake my hand several times, and his friend Tina Strong gave me a big hug. That was on a Monday morning.
Tuesday….I call up my parents down in the Phoenix area. I talk to my mother about possibly getting an advance on my trust fund. She knows of my involvement with the Cooper case, she’s read the book, etc. I asked her for up to $250,000 to bring in contractors to repair the Ariel Store so it can meet codes, and re-open. She says why not?
Gayla and I were very excited about this. I drew up a proposal to Bryan that evening. We would work together. In other words, I wanted to meet the contractors and hear their bids before paying the bills, to make sure the job got done. No…I wasn’t going to just hand Bryan a check.
Wednesday…the next day…Bryan goes crazy over not a whole lot. Gayla and I couldn’t figure it out. I called up my mother and told her to forget it. I blocked Bryan’s email address permanently. I will never visit the place again.
You should have supported any effort going to restore the Ariel Store, no matter if it was me or Hillary Clinton’s campaign committee. Your comments actually triggered an event that festered with Bryan until it snowballed into a frickin’ tragedy. You may not have been the total cause, but you certainly had a hand in it. Now no one really supports Bryan anymore, and it is very unlikely the place will ever reopen.
Speaking for the Great Northwest…thank you for your role in all of that. You haven’t done very well in anything Cooper so far. First the store…sticking your nose in like that…and then letting the first movie on the case float past you based on emotional issues. You are 0-2 so far.
I got a shit load of nerve boy…your BS story came after you were KICKED out of Ariel…you caused problems with his family as you noticed written in one of many emails Brian sent me & YOU!
you turned the whole Ariel project into a DISASTER….
“Close friends believe Robert is trying to take the attention away from Ariel Store”
“Robert’s postings on the Ariel page and my own page alienated a lot of my family”
Bryan just lost his mother and you had the NERVE to pull crap like this…as I said before…it’s the lowest of the lows….
I wasn’t ‘kicked out of Ariel,’ lol. Bryan’s family wanted him to sell all the memorabilia out of the store and cut them in for some of the money. Get real. I did nothing but treat the guy great. I went to the end degree for him. He went crazy on everybody. YOU had a hand in that. Stop trying to BS people. First you come at me with your either uninformed crap regarding Travel Channel staff…or just plain lying, I can’t tell. Now this.
You weren’t the total cause of what happened afterward at Ariel, but sticking your negative nose in where it didn’t belong was the start of it all. Once Bryan saw your comments, and Georger’s the night prior to the event, he was never the same. Then he banned Bruce Smith from attending. I already explained what happened.
And Bryan’s mom died long before we ever got involved in organizing the party. Months before. I like her a lot, and she had nothing to do with this.
It doesn’t matter if you were “nice” to him…it’s your actions…do you really think anyone would watch a Jerry Lewis Telethon with him ranting about the guy next door to him saying bad things about him the whole time during the telethon? it’s just like Bryan said, you used the chance to get back at me and my members and trashed the memory of Donna! none of it should of been introduced into any type of fund raiser or charity event. not you, you just kept blasting away post after post…Facebook, Twitter, your forum, the Ariel FB page non stop…
IT…WAS…A…DISASTER…….
If you want to call feeding more than 200 people, partying into the night, raising approximately $2,200 in cash for the store, getting the store on national television and into two newspapers a ‘disaster,’ you go ahead and run with that. On top of all that, we helped clear an area outside the store of about two acres prior to the party…which Bryan planned to use later for private parties.
The hard truth is, both of you are selfish. You for your comments that contributed to bad feelings all around, and Bryan…for accepting tons of money, supplies, and help to make the party a big success…and then turning his back on the people who made it happen.
As it is, some of the people in Ariel, after they discovered what had happened, wanted nothing more to do with him. I’m just glad I didn’t take the money from my mom. Do me a favor…keep your opinions regarding any events AB of Seattle supports or organizes…to yourself. We’re shooting a local movie this winter on the homeless situation in Seattle.
We can just *assume* you don’t like that idea because I’m involved in that.
Look, if you REALLY want to be informed on what the Cooper story is here in the Northwest, you should simply MOVE here. I mean…I wouldn’t stay in Florida too much longer. 🙂
Pretty soon climate change and Arctic ice melt will erase Florida from the maps. But don’t go to California either. Not much better there. 🙂
https://youtu.be/j2ZXco32IRU
More from Bryan…
“Who appeared in the video? Not I as the true owner of the property in which Ariel Store resides upon. Via the video a good many people perceived that Ariel Store had been sold to Robert as a result of my mother’s passing. The video put a face to the new owner, but it wasn’t the right face as many have discovered over the past several months just by simply stopping in and talking with the actual owner. There’s more to Ariel Store than just D B Cooper, but it was never displayed or talked about as it didn’t fit one’s own agenda. Take the attention away from Ariel Store and its new owner, put it all towards Robert and Adventure Books of Seattle.”
You had no right to go onto your site and tell people they had to go through YOU..Bryan found this out later down the road..even posting on your forum telling you who was in charge! you still sit here with a straight face thinking your crap don’t stink with this…you are highly mistaken boy, highly mistaken..you made it a DISASTER….
Blevins doesnt have a life. I mean seriously… … what the fu😥k would Blevins do without Bruce’s site? ZERO!
He was literally going nuts before he figured out this outlet..his forum was full of negative comments..he even made up and posted as someone to make it appear people were there lmao…post after post…I gave up taking screenshots…what’s the point lol.
He reminds me a lot of Bob Knoss..it could raining right in front of him and he would try and convince you the sun is out and not a cloud in the sky 🙂
“the whole town noticed something was wrong with Robert. he banned us all from the event, including me even though he knew I wasn’t coming lol…Robert DEMANDED Bruce be banned.”
A straight-up pack of lies, Dudley.
Bryan banned Bruce after he read yours and Georger’s comments at the Cooper Forum the night before the party. Six of us were at a table in the store, and we had computers set up there, plus Bryan’s laptop. He said right there he didn’t want ANYONE from the Cooper Forum showing up. I had nothing to do with it.
There is no ‘whole town’ of Ariel. It’s an unincorporated area with a house here…another a half mile down the road. And I got along just fine with everyone. Mostly I cooked food.
When the party happened, someone came to me and said Bruce Smith was sitting on a guard rail some distance away and wanted to attend. Meyer Louie drove him there, and I believe it was him who told me. He asked me to talk to Bryan and see if Bruce could come on down. I said sure. I have nothing against Bruce.
So…I hunted down Bryan after he was finished talking to some of the film crew. Told him the situation. He did ask me if I cared. I said no, Bruce could come down as far as I was concerned. I told Bryan…”it’s your place, after all.” Bryan said he would take care of it.
Since Meyer was already at the party, and he didn’t like leaving Bruce at the guard rail…well, sure…I had no objections. Why would anyone care what I thought? And I didn’t Meyer to feel uncomfortable, or think he had to leave. I didn’t give it any more thought.
Found out later that Bryan had said no. Then Meyer left too, and picked up Bruce on his way out. I had zip to do with it. How did this situation all happen? Was it me? NO. It all began the night before with some silly negative comments you and Georger did at the Cooper Forum.
You can try all ya want to add as much sugar to it as you can…you were a disgrace to Ariel. if you would of kept your mouth shut you might of accomplished something but you can resist the fruit of good old shutter lmao…Shutter Shutter Shutter….
“Close friends believe Robert is trying to take the attention away from Ariel Store”
“Robert’s postings on the Ariel page and my own page alienated a lot of my family”
Bryan just lost his mother and you had the NERVE to pull crap like this…as I said before…it’s the lowest of the lows….
YOU…TURNED….IT…IN…TO….A…DISASTER…..
Look, I gave you the straight scoop on things. Why don’t you ask Meyer Louie? Explain to me how raising thousands of dollars for the store, getting it on a national TV show and into newspapers, and providing the food, entertainment, and many of the auction items on my own can be classified a ‘disaster’?
By the way…Bryan’s mom, a wonderful lady I once interviewed in Ariel, had been gone several months already when we approached Bryan and offered to help. She has nothing to do with it. You are shameful for even pulling that card out.
A couple of postings on a Facebook page had absolutely NOTHING to do with Bryan’s family relationships. You are WOEFULLY uninformed. What happened, Dudley…was that after his mom died, his greedy family members were pissed off that everything was left to Bryan. He told me this himself, and added they were pressuring him to sell off everything, give them a portion of the money, and maybe even sell the store itself.
You haven’t a clue on what actually happened. You have a couple of emails or something. I spent six months organizing the event and it was more successful than even I had hoped. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and Bryan got everything he wanted and more. The only people he was pissed off at on the day after the party…were you and your forum. If he went wacko a few days afterward, that isn’t my fault.
Why don’t you just admit for once you are wrong on this one? You should apologize for your comments that stirred the whole thing up. And stop with the Travel Channel staff lies as well. Would you like to see their emails. I still have them, you know.
send them to me….I’ll remove the block…typing them is not to be trusted by you….I need to see them through the proper channels…
Robert, during the party you still had Bryan convinced we were horrible people…is eye’s opened up shortly afterwards…
“A couple of postings on a Facebook page had absolutely NOTHING to do with Bryan’s family relationships. You are WOEFULLY uninformed.”
Uninformed? from Bryan, the horses mouth? your actions with what you kept posting on the Ariel FB page is what upset his family…a couple, it was post after post dude..
“Robert’s postings on the Ariel page and my own page alienated a lot of my family”
“Hello, is there anybody in there”
Shutter…..all you need to know about Blevins is the following……lives off of Gayla and relies on her TOTALLY for support. SHE owns the cleaning business. Robert scrubs when he is told to scrub. AB is a front for …..nothing more than to make Robert look like he does something in life. He does nothing. He lives off of Gayla and posts 24/7 on Bruce’s site. That’s it. Now you know the real Robert Blevins. Stay at home drone and producer of lies, fantasy and BULLSHIT.
And you believe all that? LOL…you are more gullible than I thought. You can go with that fantasy if you wish. I keep giving you (and anyone else who bothers to read this) the straight scoop on what happened at Ariel. You choose to IGNORE those facts.
You still never explained how all those things constitute ‘disaster’. If I got all those things to work on every event I’ve ever organized, I would take that so-called ‘disaster’ every time.
No…you are NEVER wrong on ANYTHING…ever. 🙂 I was surprised when you tried the lying stuff regarding our relationship with the Travel Channel folks. I didn’t expect that. You must be getting desperate. You should have known that since I worked on the Ariel project for almost six months I would be much more informed on all that than you gave me credit for.
You can believe whatever you wish, Dudley.
You know, Shutter…I think Johnnie Greene likes you. You should invite him to join the Cooper Forum. He would fit right in. 🙂
“Shutter…..all you need to know about Blevins is the following……lives off of Gayla and relies on her TOTALLY for support. SHE owns the cleaning business. Robert scrubs when he is told to scrub. AB is a front for …..nothing more than to make Robert look like he does something in life. He does nothing. He lives off of Gayla and posts 24/7 on Bruce’s site. That’s it. Now you know the real Robert Blevins. Stay at home drone and producer of lies, fantasy and BULLSHIT…”
Yes. Moderator material for sure.
what lying stuff to The Learning Channel? spit it out…
You know, Shutter…I think Johnnie Greene likes you.
Perhaps, or maybe, just maybe he is normal and can see right through you? you always read into things wrong…long record of that…
It’s the TRAVEL Channel. You should know…you quoted Amanda Marks after all.
Greene’s nothing but a guy who likes to use names on people. Or whatever he does. If he’s such a positive thing, you should invite him to join your website. His comments remind me a lot of Georger’s. Same theme. Been there, done that.
I do that often Robert….what lies about “The Learning Channel” I even did that with them so make fun of me all you wish…
why are you personally attacking me going against rules again with name calling..something you once again preach against…?
Robert:Greene’s nothing but a guy who likes to use names on people.
Robert: You can believe whatever you wish, Dudley.
It appears you are like Johnny, no?
I wouldn’t say I was quite like him, no.
You owe me an apology for the lies you told regarding our work with Travel Channel staff…
And to stop saying that our over-the-top effort for the Ariel Store was a ‘disaster’ when it was not…
It’s not my fault Bryan went crazy on everybody after the party. He got what HE wanted, that’s for sure. Thousands of dollars, (some of which I contributed personally) auction items we provided, a huge bill at Costco AB of Seattle we paid for all the food and drink…and yes…even much of the alcohol that was served.
Truth is, Bryan is a bit unstable. Not crazy, but he can be sort of strange. When he used a couple of posts at Facebook as a cheap excuse to dismiss the mucho money, effort, and media work we did for him…it was almost beyond belief.
Truth is, Shutter…I’m just glad I never took delivery of any money to restore the Ariel Store. That would have been a bigger mistake than just trying to help him. I’ve never really said this before, but what happened afterward was NOT your fault. Bryan just flipped out, and no one really knows the reason why. It’s true that some of his family was pressuring him to sell off all the memorabilia and cut them in on some of the take. But he fooled me completely, and I’m not THAT easy to fool. He took me on a tour of the whole place, showed me the damage from attic to basement, told me his plans to restore.
That was on the first visit, when I did the promo pictures. I didn’t want to see the Ariel party go away, so we tried to help him. But in the end, he backstabbed us without warning, and for reasons he mostly just made up as excuses. I spent more trying to help him than the money he actually raised. No one until now has been really straight with you on what happened. And that isn’t your fault, I’ll admit.
After it was all over, when some of the locals saw what Bryan was doing on Facebook, they knew better. I worked alongside with many of them setting up the event, cooking, building that gigantic wooden wall, helping run the auction, and collecting money. Then we cleaned up everything afterward. Some of them sent me messages…said they didn’t want to have anything to do with him again.
And like Lily Tomlin once said: “And that’s the truth…”
Bryan took the best chance he ever had to bring that store back to life, and just flushed it down the toilet. Hell…I even helped him move his pot plants away from the property so the folks attending wouldn’t see them. It’s just too bad is all.
But it wasn’t my fault. Everyone had fun and Bryan collected on everything big time. But in a measure of poetic justice, he was interviewed by Josh’s team for the show. It was left on the cutting room floor.
5th time…what lies Robert….spit it out….not about Bryan, or Georger, or Johnny…what lies…
DRONES in the House of Gayla. Camping trips to the backyard of Gayla. Two businesses in the House of Gayla. Lots of fantasy going on here. Lots of free time to use Bruce’s site while Gayla seeks refuge from the drone. Camping anyone? Gayla’s backyard….or Pluto. You’re all invited. But hurry and sign up at THE AB WEBSITE. Time is running out and our offer expires in 6 weeks.
Geez, Louise. What IS it with you? I already made reference to it not once but twice. Do I have to spell it out for you so you can offer up some excuse? (‘Shutter is NEVER wrong…on ANYTHING…’)
Figure it out. Amanda Marks. Travel Channel. She and her associates. Our relationship working (before and after) with filming at the Ariel Store. You claimed Marks made disparaging remarks about AB’s involvement.
None of that is true. I don’t know if you lied or were simply misinformed. I got a boatload of thank you’s from them, both personally, and in emails afterward. You tried to paint a different picture and where you got your information I have no idea, but it was way off base.
How do you think I convinced them to change their shooting schedule and come to Ariel when there was something actually going ON there? Because they didn’t like me? Because we weren’t on the same page? 🙂 Come on. I don’t even think YOU believe that.
This camping trip will be my last, so hurry and sign up now. I’m leaving soon and I won’t be able to post for a few weeks. Greg the tech and all my employees at AB will be too busy as we are in final negotiation with the film crew. That’s why I’m going camping…..to rest up for this busy fall.
You are bent out of shape over something said to me about you, really? it’s not a lie..those are the exact words she used..she thanked me a hundred times too, so once again, your point?
I’m not apologizing for something said to me…did she say “we know all about that idiot” no, she said what she said…you really believe producers are in your best interest? they toss you away most of the time once they get what’s needed..have they stopped by to say hello, called you lately? Amanda isn’t even with them anymore….found that out months ago when someone wanted to contact the station…a lot of producers are more two faced than you…
I also put in a lot of time…emails, and dozens of calls and they asked for several video’s that was made for them..
The bottom line here is you should of never made this personal when trying to help someone in need. you went way too far with the rants..I found another email where Bryan says once again that Bruce wasn’t banned..If someone tells you they don’t care much for someone you will jump online and say that person told you he hates that guy…just like you tell people we were bypassed or jealous..both are wrong. you continue to tell that lie about being bypassed..
Look…I gave it to you straight regarding our participation in probably the last Cooper party that will ever be held in Ariel. We went to ridiculous lengths to make that happen for Bryan. You choose to believe some fantasy based on a couple of emails from someone (Bryan) who had issues going, that’s up to you.
Nothing I can do about that.
As far as the movie producers doing the Cooper picture…I’m sorry…but your site WAS bypassed by them. You forgot something here. They were checking you out for months before they ever approached me. They didn’t like what they saw, and I was mentioned negatively SO many times there (at the time they were researching) that it made them curious.
Then…they found both me and AB of Seattle. The rest is history. If you weren’t rejected for creating a negativity platform…then why…after so much time has passed…haven’t any of you heard from them? They know all about the Cooper Forum, both the good, and the not-so-good.
I don’t care what they think Robert…they sound way too much like you..if they would of contacted me I would of sent them to you…I don’t wish to be associated with you..it’s that simple..movies and shows come and go..I’m not looking for them nor do I hang on every moment waiting for them to come a calling or looking for a big bundle of cash…
you keep harping for an apology while you go onto podcast shows telling people we hate you? and you want an apology for something said that wasn’t even that damaging? nobody hates you…they hate the things you do…huge difference but it doesn’t stop you from continuing to lie and say things that only you believe are true..perhaps some do hate you but you bundle them all into one with your comments..I’ve told you this a hundred times but it goes right through you..
all of this doesn’t belong here, at all…I’m waaay past my time…
The next big book from AB, by Robert Blevins, “A Drone’s Life: How to live in the Hive For Free.”
After reading all of these recent back and forth things surrounding bLIEvins lies, it should be very obvious to anyone that bLIEvins is a busy-body that’s desperate to dominate all that he can about Cooper case dialog. He basically hijacked the Ariel store and pissed off the owner at the time, and now he turns around and continues to whizz on the Bryan person that owns the store. bLIEvins tried to deflect it back on shutter, but then desperately accesses blame on “Bryan going crazy.” The average person would have relented a long time ago. bLIEvins spins so much yarn that he wraps himself up in is own, and when confronted in detail, bLIEvins starts in again with lies, that on the surface appear civil enough…but nevertheless, his responses are a string of lies. Notice how he gives himself away by being anti-Trump, but a pro-Hillary Democrat and states that the entire state of Florida is going underwater because of global warming, which is clearly the pseudo-leftist carbon cap and tax agenda. bLIEvins operation runs in close parallel to the way CNN operates in getting it’s viewers to have a unwarranted fear and loathing of President Trump. Both appear to be operating by the same playbook. Oh, hey there’s a hint from the “Playboy”/Cooper cutouts that bLIEvins has summarily ignored. The most pertinent evidence in the Cooper case, bLIEvins summarily ignores key evidence, and then he continues to clog things up here with oodles of pure garbage. No…not for the time being am I gonna paint Bruce and bLIEvins with the same brush. I’m seeing the wisdom of letting bLIEvin continue with the spinning. It appears that a great part of bLIEvins agenda is to negate Bruce’s own publications on the Cooper subject. An accurate bio on Robert M Blevins/aka bLIEvins is what’s needed next.
Shutter any chance you’ll lift my ban? I’m yearning for some meaningful cooper discussion. I can’t behave any worse then flyjack, georger, and r99 are currently with all the name calling personal attacks and such. I promise to be a model citizen and set a prime example for those guys. Thanks for considering.
Nicky
If the film producers had come to YOU….you would have sent them on to ME? Is this what you’re saying? Oh, come on Shutter…no one believes that, not even you. 🙂
Look…even if you had supported our efforts with the Ariel Store, I don’t think it would have changed a damn thing. There’s something with Bryan that isn’t quite right, and that came out after he got everything he wanted. You know, Travel Channel wanted to interview me for the show. I refused to go on camera. I told them it wasn’t about ME…it was about the store. Bryan was adamant about the Travel Channel filming being about him, and the restoration of the store. I was just fine with that.
Why he tossed out the baby with the bathwater afterward is beyond me. Gayla and I never figured it out, and neither did a lot of the folks around the Longview area who attended. Frankly, my first thought was ‘WTF is wrong with that boy…”
Latest word I have on Bryan and the store isn’t good. He doesn’t have the resources to fix anything and every winter that passes, the situation gets worse. He has dogs staying in the back living area and even back in 2016 they had pretty much ruined everything by pissing all over the place. Supports under the building are in bad shape. Lots of stuff. He has no job. When I was working with him, the only money coming in was from him loading up scrap and junk from the property and selling it in town to the recyclers. Who the hell knows what is going on now…I sure don’t. He hasn’t updated his Facebook page for a year.
All I know is I want nothing to do with the place again. I actually DID keep all the pictures I did of the event, but I deleted the video permanently. Gayla was ready to choke me for spending so much of AB’s money on Bryan. Maybe I pointed the blame in the wrong direction, after all. Maybe a couple of smart-ass comments by you and Georger weren’t the real problem…although they DID cause him to go paranoid against anyone associated with the website. That’s why he refused to let Bruce come onto the property. I think much of his problem was with his family. He told me privately that they wanted him to sell off all the stuff and they deserved some of the money, since Dona left them nothing, and everything to Bryan. Bryan wanted to keep the store as it was, and was trying to figure out a way to do that. But he has few resources.
Maybe he will work it out, but I would REALLY appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting what we did for Bryan. I pulled out all the stops for him, even more than I did for the Eclipse Campout. See…that was with NORMAL people. And everyone had a blast. One guy drove up all the way from San Jose to be with us. Another guy worked camera for KGW TV in Portland. CeCe was a Facebook friend. None of us had actually met when we gathered at Magone Lake, OR that weekend.
I don’t mind if you pick on me, but at least stick to the truth when you do it. For example, you can yell at me for going after your friend as I did. Sure. Or when I said I had the Palmer Report when I never received it. Yep. Or even when I got it wrong about Kenny’s house and had to use your information and try to figure out the whole truth on that. But on some things, you are just wrong, and our participation in the Ariel Party is one of them.
Today I have to wrap up my work on the 82 ZX and BBQ chicken. Car goes up for sale next Saturday morning. The following Friday I am bailing town for four days with some other folks. I’m not even going to do a video on it. I’m just going to relax, BBQ some more, target shoot, and watch movies and recorded TV. I might even do a day hike, but that’s it.
I sincerely wish you guys good luck on the symposium idea. I still think you should open a free website somewhere and name it with the name of the event. You will need somewhere to dump pictures, information on the event, for people to make comments, etc. A Facebook page wouldn’t hurt, either. But you should keep it separate from your personal website, since the public can’t view links there even if you installed them directing them to the event.
Anyway…hope it is a success. If you guys need any financial assistance, or other help, just have Eric email me and I will see what I can do. I can’t attend, even if I wanted to. Gayla and I are hiring a housesitter (we have a pet) and flying down to the San Diego area the week of Thanksgiving to celebrate with her mom.
Mr Anonymous, aka ‘Johnnie Greene,’ sez:
“The next big book from AB, by Robert Blevins, “A Drone’s Life: How to live in the Hive For Free.”
WRONG. We share all the work around here, every day of the week, both AB and the cleaning biz. And my next book is actually titled, ‘Cooperland’. It’s an autobiography. You can see the first few chapters here: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/adventurebooks/Documents-only/CooperlandWorkingFinal1.pdf
I may have created a monster. We’re getting a lot of email about it. 🙂 Posted to Twitter, Facebook, and the Usual Suspects. Be there or be REALLY square.
https://wordpress.com/post/thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/1733
I have quit the DB Cooper Forum run by Dave Brown. Reason: its an intolerable situation there involving a poster named FLYJACK with no hope of recovery. The situation is so toxic there that nothing can be accomplished there with any personal security or satisfaction. Others I respect and rely on have quit or dropped out previously. It’s unlike anything Ive ever experienced before; it has become pointless to even try there. Good luck to Shutter and his FLYJACK FORUM. –
Well, first….I really doubt you are the real Georger, but I will let that go for now. I’ve read hundreds of posts by the REAL Georger, and you don’t sound like him.
If the forum is having problems there are two basic reasons. First, the public can’t see anything you guys post except straight text. Any links or pictures or links to other evidence you guys post up there comes out like this to everyone in the general public:
“You are not allowed to view links or pictures. Register or login.’
This means anything important you post up there can’t be viewed by the public, making your efforts mostly a big waste of time.
Second reason the forum might be having problems is because it is non-inclusive, and a lot of people know that. However, there are some good resources there.
If the forum is having problems there are two basic reasons. First, the public can’t see anything you guys post except straight text. Any links or pictures or links…
Robert, it’s an in house matter that has zip to do with links and pics…I keep telling you this over and over…members I have request it, they want it that way…do you follow..you know all about it because you were just there with the VPN running..it’s very simple to join and get all the info you need…multiple producers, pod casters, writers, television stations etc. all joined with ease..what they don’t run into is a forum closed, open, closed, open….VO5 commercial, and so on, and so on…just another way to spam your agenda…
did you read the post above from G..even if it’s not him it’s exactly what he has been saying and exactly what the main problem is…your gossip is just that….
as you probably read this has shaking me up..I never let this crap bother me offline but this time is different..regardless to what you say by constantly trashing an old mans theory R99 was always looked up too by me and I learned a lot about aviation through him..no, I don’t agree completely with his theory but I’m willing to listen to what he says..it’s plausible but I have a timing issue with it..along with other statements that are hard to discount…I guess I can say…either he is right, or he is wrong…one way or the other the truth will come out!
Look, Shutter…I’m sorry you are having problems with some of the members. The AB Forum has been open since June now and always has been online except for a couple of days of maintenance. Yes, I use a VPN sometimes, but not just for your place. Other sites also for security reasons. No one has an agenda at the AB Forum except we don’t talk badly about anyone else involved in the Cooper case anymore. I don’t ‘use’ comments on the internet regarding the case to sell books or forward an agenda, either. The truth is, with few exceptions, we’ve always sold roughly the same number of books each month for the last 7 and 1/2 years. Amazon is the only place where it fluctuates, but those sales are peanuts, accounting for (much) less than five percent of sales. That’s because most sales come through Ingram in wholesale, not from Amazon, which is retail.
No, I don’t think Georger made that post. You could just copy it over and ask him anyway. Like Georger would ever complain to ME about something… 🙂 Not a chance.
I don’t trash R99 personally. Never have as far as I know. No, I don’t buy into the Flight Over Tina Bar theory. I have all kinds of reasons why, but the main ones are the number of radar sources available to track the flight, (multiple) and why they chose to search EAST of the Interstate 5 freeway. Also, fighter jets were tracking the plane on the way to Portland. For me, it’s just too much to ask to move it miles west based on zero evidence that it actually did, when all the available evidence says otherwise. However, there’s some minuscule chance everyone was wrong and R99 is right. I suppose.
I know my recent email to you (if you read it) was a little harsh. Truth is, I wouldn’t mind seeing this symposium idea be a success. And if you weren’t doing it in the same week as my having to be in San Diego, I might even show up if I were invited.
But it’s pretty late in the game to start trying to put something like that together and get people to show up just two days after Thanksgiving. Remember…the Ariel party was held on the Saturday PRIOR to Thanksgiving, which made it easier for people to attend. Not that your idea on scheduling won’t work, but it’s a tough sell to people. Most folks are doing the family thing right after Thanksgiving, or laying around eating leftovers. It’s a romantic notion to hold such an event right on the anniversary day of the hijacking, but it might be impractical, and difficult to organize on such short notice. Not impossible…but it’s a tall order for sure. I do wish you guys the best of luck, though.
I really don’t have an ‘agenda’ with the public anymore. There is no reason for it. Let’s face it, I got the movie option contract, book sales have been steady (but not record-breaking) for many years now. We’re pretty much a wrap with our active involvement in the Cooper case. Maybe they make the movie, maybe they don’t. Either way, Gayla and I are bailing Washington no later than spring of 2020. In fact, it could be sooner depending on what Gayla’s mother tells us at Thanksgiving. Gayla’s ONLY (living) family is her mother now. Neither of us has any more family in the Northwest. They all moved years ago, even my kids. Missouri, Nevada, California, Arizona, you name it. So there is no purpose for us to remain here, and it’s looking like Gayla’s mom (she’s some years past 80 now) might be needing us closer. Same with my folks in Mesa, AZ. It’s time for us to move closer to them.
If I’ve been a grouch, mainly it’s because I’m seriously overworked lately and need a vacation. Weekend work for the senior lady, day work with the cleaning biz, fixing the Z car for resale. I’ve even considered canceling the Cooper Campout and just going by myself somewhere for a few days. LOL…everyone thinks I just sit on my butt. Truth is, I work so damn hard that sometimes I just have trouble sleeping and that just makes things worse.
Good luck with the forum. Yes…we’ve noticed you guys are laying off us over there on the real personal stuff and it is appreciated.
Midnight Update: Holy cow…I was dead wrong. That probably WAS Georger posting back there…and yes…there ARE problems going at the DB Cooper Forum. My apologies, Until I actually went to the forum and looked, I had no idea what was going on. Come on, guys. Shutter and I have had our differences, but his site DOES serve a decent purpose. (for the most part, and when it didn’t, all that is over long ago)
What the heck is going on with you guys? Cooperland seems hopeless sometimes, I swear. So much jealousy, so much name-calling, and everyone trying to make their points, their solutions on the hijacking.
I will tell you one thing. Don’t try to join the AB Forum with that stuff. We no longer allow, or engage in that crap. And if any of you TRY to join and misrepresent yourselves as a known investigator or fan of the case…putting yourself up as someone you AREN’T…I will permaban you like last week. We only play nice these days over there. What do I mean? Exactly THIS: If you try to join and push yourself off as Bruce, Meyer, (forget that, he’s already a member) Georger, and you AREN’T that person in the real world, we will find out and deal with it accordingly.
Doesn’t matter anyway. The AB Forum is completely open to guests. You just have to register to make posts of your own. All of this is depressing. I need a frickin’ vacation, and I will do that next weekend. Forget the videos for YouTube. We’re just going to party and relax. I’m not doing the Entertainment Director thing this time, as I did for the Eclipse Campout. I am way too tired and I have HAD it. I’m setting up our stuff and just turning people loose. Whatever they want to do is up to them, but I’m not asking anybody for anything.
Blevins overworked? Give me a fu*kin break. Overworked means patrolling the Cooper sites 24/7. There is no other work in his world. This is it. And he upped the ante…now he’s leaving Auburn, WA in 2020, just like he was leaving the DZ back in 2011. Wrong. Blevins is the sole reason the DZ closed Cooper. If Shutter let’s Blevins in, then Blevins stays in Auburn. You should let Nick back in, Dave. You are losing some prime members, I see. Maybe Georger, 99, and Louie will show up here eventually. But FLYJACK can’t be as bad as Robert Milhaus Blevins. FLY might not know Jack, but Blevins don’t know shit. And you thought they were bad at the Forum? This is a RMB controlled site. Facts don’t count over here. There is no reality. Just Blevins and 24/7 non-stop bullshit from the main purveyor of bullshit….Robert Milhaus Blevins.
There is a difference between us, ‘Johnnie’. (laughs)
That name you see in the upper left there…the one that says ‘Robert’? It actually leads to a real person. You are nothing more than an anonymous bushwhacker and trash-talker…without a bit of courage…and without the guts to put a person behind the comments.
In short, you are a coward. When the Great Mother passed out character, she dropped yours behind the door…and you missed it. Comments and opinions only count when they have a credit behind them. Otherwise they mean less than zero. 🙂
Due to the current craziness in Cooperland, I am shutting down the AB Forum to guest visits until I return from the Olympic Mountains on Sept 17/18. No worries. You aren’t missing much anyway. 🙂
robertmblevins says:
September 6, 2018 at 1:47 am
There is a difference between us, ‘Johnnie’. (laughs)
That name you see in the upper left there…the one that says ‘Robert’? It actually leads to a real person. You are nothing more than an anonymous bushwhacker and trash-talker…without a bit of courage…and without the guts to put a person behind the comments.
In short, you are a coward. When the Great Mother passed out character, she dropped yours behind the door…and you missed it. Comments and opinions only count when they have a credit behind them. Otherwise they mean less than zero. 🙂
Johnnie’s no coward, he’s cautious…. and rightfully so in dealing with a serial liar like you!
Just kidding…I couldn’t do that if I wanted to. Folks contact us through the site regarding the upcoming campout anyway. 🙂 But you still aren’t missing much anyway. That part was true.
Good luck with the forum. Yes…we’ve noticed you guys are laying off us over there on the real personal stuff and it is appreciated.
Robert, it’s been that way for a long time…you have continued to keep it alive by constantly bringing up old news. the jealousy is only alive in your own mind. as I’ve mentioned dozens of times I’m not as involved as I use to be due to personal things and a heavy work load. I don’t live for DB Cooper. I’m not trying to drive the public into the forum..that’s not the purpose of the forum in itself.
I lost what I considered 3 good online friends. this has caused me a lot of grief but I will recover and move forward putting it in the past in due time..the loss of R99 as a member and a friend has hit me more than the others..no winners in this what so ever…
Dave
I’m sure they will return. I can’t believe this. I actually feel bad about this whole thing. Let me start by saying anything that has passed between AB and the Cooper Forum is now officially in the past. I deleted a whole bunch of stuff from our computers this morning…for good. Screenshots, a certain PDF…EVERYTHING.
Maybe I did whine a bit too much about stuff in the past, after all. Maybe sometimes I actually deserved what I got.
Hell. Maybe Robert99 is right and Cooper jumped over Tina Bar. Maybe Jo was telling the truth about Duane. Maybe I’m just full of it about Kenny and Bernie. I dunno.
“Or maybe I really am just fill of bullshit and pathetic lies. Forgive me, please, all in Cooperland. I am a true sinner. Rest in peace, Skipp.” signed, Robert Blevins.
ps. “Maybe I use my real name because I want to remain forever famous on these DB Cooper sites. I love attention more than anything else because I am so paranoid that the world will forget about me, and I’m insecure that my place in history will come to pass. Please cruel world, let me have one more campout with all of my friends from AB, the Forum, and Mountain News. I LOVE you guys.” signed, Robert Blevins.
pss (t)….” that’s….. ROBERT M. BLEVINS. all caps, please.”
signed, Robert Blevins.
“Dave, can I pleeeeeeze join the Forum. I promise not to try and dominate and enter too many consecutive posts. I will be a boy scout. My presence at the Forum will bring back Georger and R99. AND, my good friend Mr. Louie Meyer. Please, Dave, I promise on my word.” signed, Robert Blevins.
It’s Meyer Louie, and you are like a little boy with a tantrum problem there ‘Johnnie’. You act like a kid who got refused a cookie from the jar by his mother… 🙂
Nothing against the Cooper Forum, but I wouldn’t join the place myself. It would just cause problems and I already have a part-time Cooper forum going already.
Oh, Robert. Everyone at Shutter’s site is begging to have you join the Forum. Surely it will bring the drop-outs back.
You have such a magnetic personality.
And Gayla is welcome to join in and protect you whenever you feel vulnerable. You can even sign her name
When she is unavailable. Lets everybody go camping with Robert Blevins. But hurry. It’s getting crowded st the AB camp site.
You’re just another Cooperland troll, of course. Seen that, read that. You’re not even that GOOD at it. I liked the guy who used the *Shakespeare Insult Generator* on me. That was a good one.
Sorry Johnnie, but your material is second rate. Needs polish. It’s the slush pile for you. 🙂
BIG NEWS:
Robert Blevins to present at the DB Cooper Symposium in Portland, Oregon
on November 24, 2018. Topics listed below:
1. Ken Christianson; America’s Only Gay, Pedo Hijacker Who Worked for NWA and Stuck it to the …….. BOY.
2. Lies, Damn Lies, and Goddamn Lies; How I spent 8 Years Investigating DB Cooper.
3. My Best Friend and Co-author, Skipp Porteous; ( Whom I Never Met).
4. Life After DB Cooper; Cleaning the Shitter Is My Therapy For Life.
5. When All Else Fails: Go Camping, and Invite Anyone Dumb Enough To Go With Me.
6. I Married A Beauty Queen, and Now She Protects Me From Big, Bad Men.
7. How to Never Leave the Party, Even After Everyone Else Has.
8. Don’t Let The Bullshit End. Flush Once and Start Again.
Each session will last three minutes. No question please, Robert doesn’t do live interaction well.
Robert will be presenting in Room B 19, next door to the women’s toilet. Bring your own toilet paper.
Cooperland Troll. Been that. Still doing that. RMB
Not GOING to the symposium. Especially when it’s being backed, attended by, or including folks like you. You’re just an anonymous troll, a coward. At least I put a real name behind my statements.
You? You could be just some fifth-grader with computer access. A baiter. No name, no guts, a certified coward. Face it, that’s YOU to a ‘T’.
I was going to leave the party, but then they called me up for the first-ever full length feature movie on the case….I know that pisses you off royally. Especially since they are going to name Kenny and Bernie as the perps and reveal all the evidence that HASN’T been made public yet, not even to the FBI. Too bad and I hope you don’t like it. 🙂 It’s okay for you to like the movie itself, of course.
I don’t generally like rubbing that in, but in your case I will make an exception. On the last option payment I received for 2018, I used the money to buy myself a really nice (restored) 1997 Nissan KingCab with only 112K original on it. I will think of you every time I turn the key and switch on the AC.
If they end up making the movie, I get three points on the production company’s end for well…LIFE. Plus the other ‘stuff”, which is substantial.
Come on, admit it. Don’t you just HATE it? (*laughs*) And all you can do is sit there and call me names from behind your shabby little computer screen. Ha. (*Are we having fun yet?*) Frustrated?=Probably.
You may not realize it, but its posts like yours, and others by people you probably know, that made the production company execs tell me this in an email:
“We’re better off without them…” (That’s a quote from Ryan, one of the producers.)
If you are planning to speak at this symposium, I have a subject for you on which you are definitely an EXPERT. You should jump right up on that stage in front of everybody and tell them all about it:
“How I Became a Cooperland Internet Troll in Three Easy Lessons.” 🙂
Funny thing….. I just received a call from the film production company and they told me that a movie about DB
Cooper and pedophilia just doesn’t go together……sort of like Blevin’s book, some authors just can’t make a sales pitch. Better luck camping, Robert.
Ps. We ain’t going away either because we’re having to damn much fun.
Now you’re starting to lie about things. The name(s) of the production companies involved are a secret, and even YOU don’t know who they are. Now you see why they chose to remain that way. Trolls like you. Can’t say I blame them, although when some of you were offered the opportunity to participate, maybe you should have been smart enough to take them up on it. At least you WOULD know who was involved by now. 🙂
You can have all the fun you wish. Make unsupported allegations (anonymously) all you wish.
Isn’t going to change anything about anything. 🙂
By the way…who is ‘WE’. Are you one of those multiple personality types?
On a more serious note, (these comments are just fluff-stuff) if you are a member of the DB Cooper Forum, it’s time to end the bickering and get your act together. You want a symposium? I’ve seen you have a list of possible speakers.
Here’s something I know, and you may not know: Some of these folks are taking a watch-and-wait attitude about the whole thing. You’ve got 77 days or so to pull this off, and before some of the people on your list actually pull the trigger on an airline ticket…you guys better get it together. That’s just some personal advice from a guy who has organized these types of gatherings before.
“And it wasn’t always for crummy outfits like THIS one…” (James Stewart, from Flight of the Phoenix.)
What I’m trying to suggest is that it’s time to get your act together over there and stop fighting with each other. And…to quit coming here and posting up stuff that disrespects Bruce Smith. You can see why I screen all comments to both our YouTube videos and our WordPress. Trolls like Johnnie are why.
That aside, you should decide first whether you’re having just a meeting with a few interested folks dropping by, or a full-blown symposium such as Geoff Gray and Crown Books sponsored. A symposium assumes that a fair number of the public and the press will attend, and you will do more there than just hash the same old stuff with the same old people. If that’s the case, you might as well hold it at a karaoke bar and use your turn to make your presentation.
First and foremost….you need an outside website created specifically about the symposium, and I mean YESTERDAY. Why? Because you have nothing on the internet to direct people TO, aka ‘The Public and The Press’ to get information or create interest in attending. If you link information at the Cooper Forum…only registered members will be able to see the links. Go to Webs dot com and sign up for one of their free sites, or cough up a measly five bucks a month and drop twenty bucks for a dot com. You can delete the site later, after the event. This will only cost someone (EU should pay for this) twenty-two dollars for the dot com for a year, and five dollars a month to host with no ads.
Otherwise…how will you inform the press and the public about your event. People will ask. People will want to see pictures, information on the speakers, a schedule. How will you do press releases without an open website? Then…do a Facebook page on the symposium as well.
77 days isn’t very long. As it is, some of your scheduled speakers might bail on you if they feel there is no public or media support. Some will come anyway, no matter what. But you should decide whether you want a more or less private soiree…or a true public event. If you want a public event…with an actual audience…you have to go public.
In reality, this stuff should already have been done. Now it’s getting late in the game. Eleven weeks will go by quicker than you think.
Got all that, Eric. World class symposium expert Robert Blevins speaking.
A few additional points, only because I want you guys to succeed, believe it or not:
Snacks? Food? Anyone doing that? FOOD BRINGS PEOPLE.
Printed program/schedule of events, with pictures and background on the speakers, done one-page foldout? (Available at the door) Also available online at your Symposium site in a PDF version for download?
Press release sheet…sent to all the local media, and some major media?
Mend a few fences before you lose the remainder of your long-term members, some of whom ARE experts on the case?
Establish individual committees, with members assigned responsibility for this job or that? What jobs? See the list above. And to make sure they fulfill their jobs?
Even though I can’t attend because I have to be in San Diego the week of Thanksgiving, AB of Seattle offered to assist on all of this for you guys, including some financial and print support if you needed it. However…we also understand why you would refuse that. And that is okay.
Just don’t do a crash and burn because you spend half your time fighting among each other and everyone is too lazy to do what needs to be done. No one or two people can pull this off successfully. You need some responsible people from the Cooper Forum to get things rolling.
Otherwise, this is what you will end up with: Some speakers will bail on you. There will only be a few people in the audience that you don’t know already. You might get a single press rep to show, and you’ll be lucky to get a couple of lines on the back page. Stop worrying about me and get your *sheet* together. That’s just some unsolicited advice. It ain’t easy to get people interested in something like that just two days after Thanksgiving. As I reminded someone earlier, they held the Ariel Party each year on the Saturday BEFORE Thanksgiving…otherwise attendance each year would have been a lot less. You are talking family time, Black Friday, whatever. It’s a big job and a tall order. And now you are fighting among yourselves and people are either quitting the site (Georger, R99) or getting booted, (Meyer Louie).
Not good. Does not instill confidence.
What I’m trying to suggest is that it’s time to get your act together over there and stop fighting with each other. And…to quit coming here and posting up stuff that disrespects Bruce Smith.
You mean like posting personal adventures, cars etc on a Cooper forum? accusing people falsely, constantly spamming your forum and WordPress to pull viewers, gossip about my forum? that kind of respect?
Robert, what evidence do you have that Johnnie is from my forum after being told he wasn’t and you accepted that? and as usual, what occurs over on my forum is of no concern to you…you are completely in the dark as to what Eric is doing or has already done..his background can tell you he’s no Amateur and doesn’t need to set up all kinds of committee’s to over see everything that ends up confusing the whole process with too many people getting involved..
I don’t know Eric’s intentions of whether or not he is setting out to break records (extremely doubtful)..it’s an event that will be held on November 24, 2018..big, small, medium, who knows.
1) website established but not ready…all by himself
2) Location found…all by himself…
3) Committed speakers to date…all by himself..
I’ve made a lot of progress on the schedule. As it stands right now the conference will be from 10AM – 5:30PM on November 24th. The following have committed to speaking:
Tom Kaye (Tie particles)
Vern Jones (Walter Reca)
377 (Parachutes)
Bruce Smith (Investigation/FBI closing the case)
Georger (Tena Bar/Money Find)
EU (Sheridan Peterson)
when the time comes, which will probably be soon..he will announce the whole thing for all to see. the last time I checked, Eric wasn’t from Mayberry…I think he can handle it..if not, I’m sure he will contact you for guidance…that was a joke of course…
Eric came out of nowhere and has already contacted Mitchell, amazing, right? he has also invited the Fazio’s but no answer yet…
Perhaps you could give your speech above to the production company you are working with?
Look…nobody here is against you, or non-supportive regarding the symposium. I’ve already seen all the postings about it at your site, so there was no need to list them. I know all about it.
No one except a few interested people we both know already scrolls down all this way to see comments that point to the AB Forum or the Cooper WordPress. Those sites are promoted elsewhere anywhere, and visits are generally about the same, day in and out. It’s not a big deal.
The reason I wondered if Johnnie Greene belonged to you is because his posts sound somewhat like what Georger used to say. You have to admit they have a similar style, however…I also know you could easily check that by sending G’s IP address from your site to Bruce and asking him for the IP on Johnnie. You probably already did that by now, so I will accept he isn’t Georger but someone else. Johnnie is no big deal anyway…just another Cooperland troll.
Are you guys sure you can pull this off two days after Thanksgiving? Geez…sure…it’s the anniversary and all…I understand that and it’s cool…but trying to get the public to attend two days after Thanksgiving is a tall-ass order. Family stuff, Black Friday weekend shopping, leftovers, etc. I hope you can pull it off. I look forward to seeing the video. If it works, and you get the public and the press to attend, I will be the first to offer my kudos on that.
“Those sites are promoted elsewhere anywhere,” (Not anywhere…’anyway’)
I don’t seek out internet traffic on those sites. I only do a Facebook or Twitter thing on them once in a while. I got enough to deal with now. 🙂
The reason I never contacted Bill Mitchell is pretty simple. I don’t know which Bill Mitchell (there are a lot of them in Oregon) is the right one. Obviously, some of you know where he is, even his email, but you’ve never offered it up to me. If you did, I might send him an evidentiary package for examination. I hate to say this…but it sounds like you could be afraid of that somehow. And I thought you were all interested in the truth and all… 🙂
Or don’t you believe that all relevant inquiries should come from the source of the information?
Johnnie is not Georger…and you keep asking questions that were answered and accepted.
Robert, I’m not going to speak for Eric but it’s not always about the public…it’s about getting together with others who share the same interest in DB Cooper and exchange conversations and theories discuss the case in a formal setting..
Eric, August 29:
I thought it’d be great if we could get the Cooper Community together for another event similar to the 2011 DB Cooper Symposium. I’m organizing the 2018 D.B. Cooper Conference as we speak.
“I think providing for audience engagement would be nice as well.”
I don’t think he’s speaking with The yacht club about parking for the dozens of satellite trucks from Canada, the UK, CNN, and all the major networks flooding in to come to the conference?
assumptions always get you in trouble..
before you start with this…I have now idea who Johnnie Green is, nor do I really care..the feud seems to be between you and him…he was coming after me pretty hard when I first came here…was the another clever cover by Georger, or a ridiculous assumption again? the second choice is my vote…
Neither of us cares about Johnnie Greene. He’s just another Cooper troll and there are a few of them out there. And I wish you good luck with the symposium. I never said I assumed it was Georger. I said I wondered if it WAS him because of the writing style. I’ve said TWICE now that I accepted your answer on him, and your experiences on him as truth. We’ve had our disputes, but I never claimed you were a liar, you know.
I wish you the best of luck regarding the symposium and look forward to the video that has been suggested, which I think is a good idea. I’m sure you will do fine and I will make no further postings about it.
bLIEvins said: Neither of us cares about Johnnie Greene. He’s just another Cooper troll and there are a few of them out there. And I wish you good luck with the symposium. I never said I assumed it was Georger. I said I wondered if it WAS him because of the…etc.
Bullshit by bLIEvins once again. bLIEvins tries to write off his obsession with knowing who Johnnie Greene is, wishes luck on the symposium, then doubles back to his obsession with knowing who Johnnie Greene is. And, Johnnie Greene is not “just another Cooper troll.” Johnnie hasn’t confronted anyone else but bLIEvins. And… what happened to the sensitivity that Bruce claimed to the uses of the word “troll”? bLIEvins is also very very jealous that he’s not running the symposium, that come through loud and clear. At the beginning of this message, bLIEvins tries to diffuse, substitute and infer that shutter and himself are of the same mindset on the subject of Johnnie Greene. bLIEvins is by far the most relentless liar I’ve ever encountered, with the exception of the actual troll(s) that try to dominate the Ramsey case subject with obsolete/never valid statements and lies that point blatantly false charges at Burke Ramsey and his parents, which bLIEvins also did on this very forum!! I thank shutter, Johnnie Greene and others for confronting bLIEvins about his relentless lying.
FYI: In case anyone is wondering why references to the Cooper Campout were removed (as much as I could) from the internet is because we are full up and it’s only a week away. No videos will be done, since a couple of the folks coming don’t want to go Live For You Tube, and I will respect their wishes. Not all of them are Cooper fans. Some are just camping and Nissan fans, and only want to have fun.
And frankly…I need a vacation that doesn’t include having to shoot video. I will probably shoot some stills for Infamous Nissan dot com, though. You guys think I mostly do Cooper stuff. Truth is, I have more than a thousand posts at IN, mostly trying to help other Nissan owners. Even Cooper takes a back seat to that.
Please stop hinting about the upcoming picture on Cooper. If I were allowed to say anything further about that right now, I certainly would. But I can’t, due to the confidentiality agreement I signed…and since their checks (so far) have been good, I’m not violating that.
However…I AM screening the teaser reel on the movie for the campout. And some other stuff with the folks who signed up to go. It’s a Northwest thing. 🙂
I can hardly wait. It’s going to be nothing but fun. If and when the Cooper Forum gets their stuff together regarding this symposium, I will be more than happy to promote it in a positive manner. If you tell me not to bother, then I will do that instead.
Robert it seems to me from reading all of your posts that you are proccupied with how people view your status on the case and whether people accept you as a valid journalist/writer. I hate to be the objective bearer of bad news, but the answer is NOT GOOD and NO. Others, myself included, view you disfavorably. Here are the reasons: you are insulting towards others in your mannerisms and behavior. You have a very immature approach in dealing with people, especially with adversaries. And,
you allow yourself to get ganged up on because of your immaturity. You cannot ignore criticism even when much of it appears to be done in humorous fashion. Seriously, I recomnend you take a break from Bruce’s site. It would be good for you and everyone else too. I doubt if you are capable of pulling back, though. Your continued posting wears out the serious contributors and only encourages guys like Greene to rough you up relentlessly. Take a vacation, mister. That would be your redemption.
Gypsy23 says:
September 8, 2018 at 12:38 am
Robert it seems to me from reading all of your posts that you are proccupied with how people view your status on the case and whether people accept you as a valid journalist/writer. I hate to be the objective bearer of bad news, but the answer is NOT GOOD and NO. Others, myself included, view you disfavorably. Here are the reasons: you are insulting towards others in your mannerisms and behavior. You have a very immature approach in dealing with people, especially with adversaries. And,
you allow yourself to get ganged up on because of your immaturity. You cannot ignore criticism even when much of it appears to be done in humorous fashion. Seriously, I recomnend you take a break from Bruce’s site. It would be good for you and everyone else too. I doubt if you are capable of pulling back, though. Your continued posting wears out the serious contributors and only encourages guys like Greene to rough you up relentlessly. Take a vacation, mister. That would be your redemption.
All true Gypsy23 but bLIEvins will not relent, that I can guarantee you. bLIEvins is an agent with an agenda, evidence also shows that he has one or more ghost writers doing his posting here. These ghost written postings are also fairly easy to detect. He fishes to see if we notice this with his “Johnnie Greene is Georger” thing too. Noteworthy also is the apparent fact that whomever Georger is, he/she is apparently also fed up with bLIEvins.
Robert it seems to me from reading all of your posts that you are proccupied with how people view your status on the case and whether people accept you as a valid journalist/writer. I hate to be the objective bearer of bad news, but the answer is NOT GOOD and NO. Others, myself included, view you disfavorably. Here are the reasons: you are insulting towards others in your mannerisms and behavior. You have a very immature approach in dealing with people, especially with adversaries. And,
you allow yourself to get ganged up on because of your immaturity. You cannot ignore criticism even when much of it appears to be done in humorous fashion. Seriously, I recomnend you take a break from Bruce’s site. It would be good for you and everyone else too. I doubt if you are capable of pulling back, though. Your continued posting wears out the serious contributors and only encourages guys like Greene to rough you up relentlessly. Take a vacation, mister. That would be your redemption.
I don’t need your recommendations, Gypsy23. You speak for a few people and a website where its best members are bailing like rats from a sinking ship. Others are being banned. The site itself is slanted, and it’s founder continues to support the fostering of hate and name calling, despite his denials…so you’ll excuse me if I don’t take your well-meaning advice.
My status on the case is well-known and public record. You have your view on that, others have theirs. You are a member of a relatively small group that thinks their shit doesn’t stink…EVER.
My mannerisms are just fine. I have occasionally lost my temper, sure. But for the most part, I’m pretty straight-up with people. We know where we’re going with all this, do you?
Did you forget THIS post:
“The reason I never contacted Bill Mitchell is pretty simple. I don’t know which Bill Mitchell (there are a lot of them in Oregon) is the right one. Obviously, some of you know where he is, even his email, but you’ve never offered it up to me. If you did, I might send him an evidentiary package for examination. I hate to say this…but it sounds like you could be afraid of that somehow. And I thought you were all interested in the truth and all… 🙂
Or don’t you believe that all relevant inquiries should come from the source of the information?”
What about it, Shutter and Friends?
All of you talk a big game, but are you willing to put your money where your mouths are? My email is also public record. I’m betting you’re all a bunch of chickens who don’t WANT to know the truth. Not a chance, since you have agendas…some of which are not working out well these days.
Blevins, just stop your nonsense.. 3 people have left, they may return, who knows. There is very little new info in this old case.. discussions start to go in circles and become hostile and ego driven. There are always new people with fresh eyes on old information.
Mitchell is in Washington not Oregon… easily found. The reason you didn’t contact him was because you were looking in the wrong State. Your own fault.
Ha. FLYJACK, this is a fact: Blevins couldn’t find a three inch pimple on a baby’s ass. Blevins, besides being a serial liar, is a thief too. It was Bruce Smith who conducted the work in the Dormuth matter. But Blevins would like to make people think he did the work. Lying sack o shit, jealous, and as Bruce has already said, a mutherfu*ker. Oh, and did I not already mention, coc*sucker? I’m sending this post straight to Hollywood.
Robert, you fail to notice many things and that’s what gets you in trouble. you don’t want Gypsy’s recommendations, that’s fine..on the other side of the coin you constantly give recommendations on everything mentioned here. you continue to insult me and my forum after stating you would stop, this is another broken record. you blow things out of proportion to make it appear worse than it is on many things.
Criticism is a huge enemy of yours, huge..it eats you up causing you to lash out with multiple posts. this thread has been destroyed because of it..
The excuse of “there are a lot of them in Oregon” is the biggest cop out I’ve heard yet..
I keep telling you that if someone mentions the movie they are not jealous or “hinting” at anything other than making a statement. you think everyone else is wrong and everything you do is right. the proof is in your comments. you believe you solved a decades old mystery and yet can’t find a simple contact? you have been trying for years off and on with zero results.
You seem to have the “perfect” forum…no trash talking, insults, fake names etc. but come here and do everything you oppose? apparently, without knowing which is troubling IMO. you keep telling us nothing is going on there anyway…how does one who claims to have all the answers to this crime not have a HUGE following? did you ever think it could possibly be your attitude or personality? they both conflict with you…many times you try to change your attitude but your personality won’t allow it causing you to quickly slip back into your old ways..most of the time within minutes to hours..children play the “I’m not telling you” game..”no more updates from this point forward” only to report updates days later…you have left this thread over a dozen times.
Nobody will lend a hand to you Robert because of your attitude and personality. not because you believe you solved the case. apples and oranges between the two..I seriously doubt the damage can ever be repaired. Tom Colbert believes the case is solved and I have zero issue’s with the man because of his attitude and personality…
You will never change….that’s the bottom line here…
This thread was not ‘destroyed’ because of me. It was destroyed when people like ‘Johnnie Greene’ came on board with the name-calling. I got a little miffed yesterday when you ignored my question regarding Bill Mitchell. You just sort of bypassed that one. And maybe I said a couple of nasty things concerning the Cooper Forum, yes. And yes…maybe I went a bit too far or was unfair on you.
Maybe. But I also have seen you complain about…and request that I….contact Mitchell about KC, to see if he can ID KC as the man he saw forty two years ago. You’ve mentioned that several times now.
The last time I tried to verify a witness was back when I spent a week running up a comprehensive evidentiary package for the Dormuth family down in Shelton, WA. That’s Lee Dormuth, the retired FBI agent (not associated with the Cooper case) and his wife…sister of Tina Mucklow.
Yeah. Well…a week prior to that mailing….Bruce made a visit to their house in person. And then published an article about his visit that was not flattering to the Dormuth family. And some of the Dormuth family SAW that article. And they all decided right there never to speak to anyone again regarding Tina or the hijacking. Thanks a lot, folks. Prior to that incident, the Dormuths had agreed to (eventually) approach Tina and show her the whole package. But after Bruce got through with them, they returned the package to me unopened. Every time I take a trip to the Olympics, I practically drive right past their house, which isn’t far off the main road to the Olympics. Sometimes I tthink about dropping by with that package in person and seeing if being nice will get them to change their minds. And I may do this eventually.
Some of you offer up excuses. You ‘get along’ with Tom Colbert. Fine. This is a guy who sent his minions to me asking for everything we had on KC (at that time, prior to Geestman’s family coming forward) for his TV show…and then ignored everything. You should hear what Billy Jensen, the NY reporter said about his participation in the TV show. I will give you the short version on what I think. They went after a living person without a bit of evidence, not one direct witness…and then ruined Rackstraw’s life. That’s what they did. At least with Kenny and Bernie we had releases from those families and actual family witnesses involved here. We didn’t just speculate and chase a guy around to make points for a cheesy TV show.
There is a lot of baloney in Cooperland. A lot of jealousy, and sometimes even hate. As the Rolling Stones once said: “If you live in this town, you must be tough, tough, tough, tough, tough…”
That’s just the way it is. You either want the truth or you don’t. And if you do…you put up or shut up. If you don’t, you play games and give excuses. So which is with you guys? You have nothing to lose. The movie is going to show what’s what anyway…even without Mitchell. You have no idea what we have now, mostly due to Geestman family cooperation. You guys are miles behind us on this issue, i.e. the issue of whether Kenny and Bernie were the actual perpetrators. We know quite a bit more now than we did in June of 2016.
I say put up or shut up. I think you are afraid of what Mitchell might say if he sees our little package, which is about twenty pages of text material along with a group of photographs, and some statements from Geestman’s family. How about it boys? You really want to know? Then you know what to do. Otherwise, we go with what we have now. 🙂
Some of you have the absolute GALL to blame me for Problems in Cooperland? Or even with this thread? Like Shutter and company, who spent many posts dancing around his accusations that Kenny Christiansen was a child rapist? Without a single shred of proof, and even being shown what Kenneth MacWilliams, a guy who lived with KC for years and gave Geoff Gray the truth? (that Kenny had normal gay relationships, some with former Army buddies, but nothing about children) Also, not a peep from any of Kenny’s neighbors. Stuff like that.
Or, more recently…this post by ‘Johnnie Greene,’ one of the biggest trolls in Cooperland outside of Bob Knoss?
“Ha. FLYJACK, this is a fact: Blevins couldn’t find a three inch pimple on a baby’s ass. Blevins, besides being a serial liar, is a thief too. It was Bruce Smith who conducted the work in the Dormuth matter. But Blevins would like to make people think he did the work. Lying sack o shit, jealous, and as Bruce has already said, a mutherfu*ker. Oh, and did I not already mention, coc*sucker? I’m sending this post straight to Hollywood…”
Yeah. You read THAT and think about it. And after you’re finished, stop blaming me for everything. Some of you are as phony as gluing a horn on a Shetland pony and calling it a unicorn. 🙂
This thread was not ‘destroyed’ because of me. It was destroyed when people like ‘Johnnie Greene’ came on board with the name-calling.
Robert, you have a serious denial issue…the first thread has YOU starting in almost right out of the gate whining about me..then the false accusations you made look like was true and blame them on being blocked lol..none of that should have ever been on these threads..the article Bruce wrote had nothing to do with me but you kept posting all sorts of things about me and my forum..long before I was even aware of what you were doing here..
It’s YOU and your comments that have caused people to come here..you have spent a majority of your time trying to convince everyone you are the innocent party..you live for the drama..you have sometimes admitted guilt, you said you wouldn’t blame Bruce if he banned you and yet you are still here spewing denial..it’s a never ending circle of drama created by YOU. this is has nothing to do with making you look bad, it’s just the simple truth dude..the thread goes silent and then you will post one after another instigating people to come out talking about things that shouldn’t be here in the first place. then, on a Cooper forum you feel compelled to post links and stories about cars and wild BS stories that once again DON’T belong here. YES, you have destroyed this thread..it’s a DB Cooper thread, not a campers, car forum, gossip thread. you recently admitted that you deserve what has happened…you had zero issue’s with Greene and Gypsy when they were on my butt?
If we went to another thread about making cookies and you found the thread, you would start up about my forum and then tell the cookie fans about your car adventure’s, camping trips etc. “I wouldn’t trust any recipe from these guys” immediately trying to discredit.
Cooper forum/thread = DB Cooper
Cookie thread = discussion about cookies
not someone butthurt about comments made on a forum…nobody comes here and dumps life stories except you..sure, sometimes things get off topic but you take that and run with it..probably 75% of your comments here are NOT Cooper related..
A conference will be held…Robert starts in “here is what you need to do” Shutter lost some members, “here is what Shutter should do” my dog died “take this little bit of advice” Greene starts in on you “must be from Shutters forum” who is Gypsy, my brother, R99, Meyer? he MUST be from my forum? lots of people in this community seem to be against you Robert, and trust me, it’s not because of me or my forum..the following should be my new signature
You will never change….that’s the bottom line here…
Gypsy 23 is way too polite in his diagnosis of Blevins. He forgot to mention that Blevins needs many trips to the psychiatrist for sessions. Blevins is a mental freak with so many issues.
And psychiatry may not be the only answer for a conclusion.
I think Gypsy made a very honest post. it wasn’t nasty at all, just the plain truth. others around him can’t possibly know what he’s really doing..this would imply they are all exactly the same and would be right here whining with him..to think they have some sort of a corporate round table discussion over all of this is disturbing to say the least..having a member/employee actually monitor things is beyond ridiculous as well. he will tell you they could careless about Cooper but quickly uses the term “we” to make it appear larger than just himself..more of that image thing Gypsy brought up..
Imagine the shrink talking to him from the show Two And A Half Men lol
Lol. She was a lady shrink.
Kind of useless to try and convince me what should be exactly what on a given forum. You’ve (Shutter) got your best members quitting your site, and others get banned for making the wrong comments. You also refused to remove several posts on your site where Gayla is mentioned…a person who except for a single post in ten years…never ventures a peep on the Cooper case. Clean up your own house and its fifty plus pages of nasty comments before you start lecturing me. We’re not talking about a post here and there…but more than FIFTY TOTAL PAGES. That’s excessive in anyone’s book, Shutter. The only caveat I will grant you on that is the fact you seem to have gotten a handle on that lately. I guess that’s something.
On the other hand…I actually spent two hours editing a video we had at YouTube because you said some of the opinions on that video were not fair to you or your website. We also disallowed any and all negative comments regarding other Cooper Folk, and anyone at your website…and that’s been policy for months now at the AB Forum. You….you never bothered to lift a finger, to remove a single nasty post quoted from your own site. Out of that fifty plus pages of crap, I think I only asked you to remove three or four of the worst posts…which you refused to do. At the same time…(talk about hypocrisy!) you were making complaints to our server at the previous version of the AB Forum every time we whispered a peep about either you or your site. Do you see why I have called you a phony occasionally?
So you can climb down off that high horse right now. There is a lot of discord in Cooperland, and you are not free of blame for that. You contributed to it just like almost everyone else has. About the only polite person in this whole scenario is Mark M, aka ‘377’, who must have the patience of Job.
As far as making mention of other things on this thread besides the Cooper case…well, over at Infamous Nissan we don’t always talk about our trucks, either. 🙂
Personally, I think if people are unhappy with the content of this thread, and the one that was previous to it…they should petition Bruce Smith to have both of the articles (they aren’t REALLY articles anyway) removed. I think that would end the whole crazy thing.
Instead of worrying about me, or what I might say about this or that…you guys should start taking care of business. Mend some fences with your members who quit. Concentrate more on your upcoming symposium…and yes…I hope it goes well.
Kind of useless to try and convince me what should be exactly what on a given forum. You’ve (Shutter) got your best members quitting your site, and others get banned for making the wrong comments. You also refused to remove several posts on your site where Gayla is mentioned..
best members, two of them you fill sites up with nothing but negative comments…you hate Georger. R99, you just blast his theory at any given chance..you always told me I would be better off without G? now, it’s a bad thing? I know you stopped going to the forum (hold on, trying not to laugh) but take some time out of your busy busy busy day and read what the board says…..
wrong again..they left because I wouldn’t remove a member…cry me a river about Gayla dude..it is what it is…you have done far worse so just keep whining all ya want…”it was long ago, water under the bridge” see how that works…you do it, so can I…
It’s always about my forum with you…is this where I say you are just jealous, you keep “hinting” at it or “you don’t know me nor have you met me” should I follow with that?
Keep in mind that it’s not just me trying to convince you of anything…the line gets longer with every day…your first instinct is to insult and not even address the on going issue…take the attention away from the subject….Shutter Shutter Shutter…you can’t even admit you have crapped all over Bruce and you come here spewing crap constantly…respect you ask on this site, seriously dude? excuse after excuse….shift the blame, change the subject etc. etc.
Georger agrees! Keeping RMB off his forum was the best single decision Shutter ever made and it proves its correctness every day since. However Georger long ago advised Shutter to ignore Blevins and leave him alone – sorry Shutter never saw the wisdom of that good advice. Things pile up on people as Georger has learned. Still trying to recover after loss of utilities in the floods and storms in Iowa. Something had to give. I suppose Blevins will take credit for that too – still claims to be running the universe. He always will! Shutter spending to minutes on Blevins is a total waste of time – havent you learned that by now?
The last straw for the trio was FLYJACK’S personal attack calling Robert, Georger, and Meyer the “3 STOOGES”. That was totally uncalled for and stupid. Georger alerted Shutter who did nothing. Georger alerted Shutter again and Shutter replied: FUCK YOU. R99 quit first, Georger followed a day later, and Meyer a day after that. Shutter then announced he had closed his email to Georger! That pretty much sealed the coffin for the “3 STOOGES”. I hope the “3 STOOGES” survive this uncalled for attack. They are after all allowed their own personal opinions just as is the Celestial FLYJACK who is also known as BULLJAX from the old Dropzone days in 2013. The whole thing unnecessary and very sad but FLYJACK struck the fatal blow. The “3 STOOGES” weren’t even looking for the attack and were minding their own business. Only FLYJACK survives and prospers still on Shutter’s forum.
when things are slow it’s a time passer…. 🙂
COMMENT OF THE MONTH BY GYPSY23:
Robert it seems to me from reading all of your posts that you are proccupied with how people view your status on the case and whether people accept you as a valid journalist/writer. I hate to be the objective bearer of bad news, but the answer is NOT GOOD and NO. Others, myself included, view you disfavorably. Here are the reasons: you are insulting towards others in your mannerisms and behavior. You have a very immature approach in dealing with people, especially with adversaries. And,
you allow yourself to get ganged up on because of your immaturity. You cannot ignore criticism even when much of it appears to be done in humorous fashion. Seriously, I recomnend you take a break from Bruce’s site. It would be good for you and everyone else too. I doubt if you are capable of pulling back, though. Your continued posting wears out the serious contributors and only encourages guys like Greene to rough you up relentlessly. Take a vacation, mister. That would be your redemption.
Mitchell is in Washington not Oregon… easily found. The reason you didn’t contact him was because you were looking in the wrong State. Your own fault.
Lots of people know this Robert…you don’t look very good on this at all…don’t let the producers see that..that might shut down the whole thing lmao…
The last straw for the trio was FLYJACK’S personal attack calling Robert, Georger, and Meyer the “3 STOOGES”. That was totally uncalled for and stupid.
Agreed, but Meyer had about 20 posts that went unchallenged by me full of name calling..the “stooge” remark was noted and a response was made about it..
this discussion doesn’t belong here either…
Greene doesn’t bother me. Just another Cooperland troll…they are out there and legend. Bob Knoss is one, and probably the most famous.
You guys talk a big game, but the truth is…you don’t WANT to solve the case. Not really. It would put an end to your entire community. Like when they discovered the Unibomber’s identity…no one really cared about him anymore. You live for the juice, the hype, probably even the media opportunities, who knows? ME? Despite your illusions, I’m not looking for fame or fortune, but only vindication…and a final END, a SOLUTION to the case. I’ve already dedicated way too much effort to Cooper. But I did it because I was pretty sure we were onto something and I thought it was my job to follow it to its logical conclusion.
You see me as a threat to your little closed community. What if I’m right? What are we holding back from They-Who-Cannot-Be-Trusted? (That means the relatively few serious folks investigating the case.) How the in the holy hell did they skip the KNOWN folks in Cooperland and come to US for the movie? You did every negative thing you could, after all. A special page on Kenny with a silly dancing icon, incomplete conclusions posted as complete truth, even when we tried to update you, a refusal to accept certain facts. (Senior FBI agent spills the goods to three solid witnesses, Geestman’s family comes forward, money discovered out back of Kenny’s house and planted while he still lived there, Kenny not a child rapist, etc etc.)
You guys are the Kings of Ignorance for sure. Not because you are actually ignorant. But because you believe that by ignoring things…those things will simply go away. Have I got a surprise for you.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. There is more…a LOT more.
On the other hand, I offer you opportunities to prove me wrong, such as saying, “Okay…go ahead and provide Mitchell’s contact info and we will send him what we have.”
You respond with silence on that. Of course you would. That could be seen as another threat to the community. Mitchell is an unknown quantity, and you can’t control him. “What if he says it’s coming back to him now, that YES…it COULD be Kenny…what would we do THEN?”
Panic I would imagine. All your efforts, all your negativity, all your name-calling, insults, all that you have tried for years would go for naught. And for you…that has to be a scary thought. You often go into denial about all that, but over here at AB we know it’s a good assessment.
The Cooper Community in general is a laugh right now. AB’s main email receives, on average, between six and fifteen email inquiries each week about Kenny, the movie, and the Cooper case in general. All are answered as long as they are polite. This has been going on for a long time. You haven’t managed to shut anyone out around here, because like Bill Mitchell…you don’t control us and we know how to deal with the public. You see…there is the public and the media. And then there is YOU. A small group, relatively speaking, who thinks they have all the judgments and the answers. But it’s a fool’s paradise all the way. Control is slipping away from you faster than you think.
I see your symposium has been downgraded from a major public event to more of a ‘discussion’ on the case. I’m not sure how you plan to present anything on Christiansen, unless you resort to lying…and that won’t reach many people anyway. I do support this symposium idea, but holding it two days after Thanksgiving is a bit shaky. Maybe someone in the audience will ask you if it’s true that there is a movie coming on the case. Make sure you tell them you don’t know anything about all that, and that you refused any involvement in it. And that you did this only because you didn’t personally like the guy they approached for the movie. You will look pretty silly, I think.
Next Friday morning, yes…I am taking a vacation with a select group of people. Some of them I hardly know, but I trust them more than I trust any of you. By the end of the weekend they will know more about what we actually have on Kenny circa September 2018 than any of you do now. And that’s how it should be. Normal Northwest folk. Nice folk.
nobody is going to speak about Kenny that I know of..what’s the point? this whole conference has taken a toll on you and nothing much as really began…yet, it’s already eating you up..the usual insults about something you haven’t a clue about…wonder if anyone will speak about LD, Coffelt, McCoy, or even Lepsy, how about Mayfield..will you stickup for them if they get left in the dust?
again, you keep saying you don’t care and make these large posts insulting as if you feel left out perhaps? you go ahead and rap the whole case up and let us be the fools…sound good?
Georger says in part: (Reading his post, I can tell it’s the REAL Georger this time.)
“Georger agrees! Keeping RMB off his forum was the best single decision Shutter ever made and it proves its correctness every day since. However Georger long ago advised Shutter to ignore Blevins and leave him alone – sorry Shutter never saw the wisdom of that good advice. Things pile up on people as Georger has learned. Still trying to recover after loss of utilities in the floods and storms in Iowa. Something had to give. I suppose Blevins will take credit for that too – still claims to be running the universe. He always will! Shutter spending to minutes on Blevins is a total waste of time – havent you learned that by now?”
Reality Hotel, check-in time: You were banned three times for personal attacks on other users at the Dropzone forum on Cooper. The last time it was permanent. Then later…you tried blaming ME for the closure of the thread. On the other hand, Jeannie (aka ‘Amazon,’ a long term member and skydiver at Dropzone) gave a different story. She said private message complaints, mostly frivolous, were being sent to Sangiro, the Admin at Dropzone. And he got tired of it. We’re you one of the complainers? If so…the closure was partially YOUR fault.
I don’t take credit for the floods. That would be either God or climate change. Or both. Take your pick. As far as the Cooper Forum, I joined up for maybe three days and then told everyone who I was anyway. It’s not a bad site, but I wouldn’t join the place even if I got a gold-edged invitation via Certified Mail. You are complaining now about that site. But…you spent years insulting people there, including people who weren’t allowed to defend themselves. Maybe someone finally got tired of that and handed back to you what you were giving people all along for years. Just saying.
Georger has common sense and a brain to match wits with anyone in the Cooper world. But he has a short fuse and can be intolerant of others. He’s just taking a self imposed time out, Shutter. He’ll be back at your site by the next full moon. 99 will follow. Louie, …
he doesn’t contribute much of anything to your forum. He’s a latecomer to Cooper and posts nothing original. He’s buddies with Blevins. What does that say? Neither of those two are Bruce Smith’s friends. I hope Bruce keeps watching his back. Meanwhile, this is the only place to be for the Robert Blevins Show. Lots more good stuff coming up. Lots. I’ve been talking with……….BOB KNOSS! He gave me the Blevins Docier.
Thanks Johnnie…I decided to remove the email block and converse with Georger which is currently taking place..hopefully a peaceful resolution can be found in this mess.
film at 11 🙂
Johnnie Greene, aka Cooper Troll Extraordinaire, aka Mr Coward Without an Identity, says in part:
“Louie, …(Meyer Louie) he doesn’t contribute much of anything to your forum. He’s a latecomer to Cooper and posts nothing original. He’s buddies with Blevins. What does that say? Neither of those two are Bruce Smith’s friends…”
Meyer Louie and I took time out of our workday evening to travel miles to Bruce Smith’s house to make sure he was okay, after no one had heard from him for a long time. Turned out that Bruce had failed to tell anyone he was going to New York and wouldn’t return for a while. In addition, Bruce glitched his auto-reply on his email so email inquiries went unanswered. In all of the years I have known of Meyer, that was only the third time we had actually spoken. The first time was at the 2012 Ariel. The second was at the final Cooper Party a few years later. The last time was when he asked me to drive from Auburn all the way out to Eatonville to do a welfare check on Bruce.
Next time you start putting yourself up as an expert on my life, maybe you should go to the source first. 🙂
You are nothing but a troll, and not even a smart one. You are part of the reason why the Cooper community has not only lost its focus, but is becoming known for its vindictiveness and hatred.
Congratulations.
“Thanks Johnnie…I decided to remove the email block and converse with Georger which is currently taking place..hopefully a peaceful resolution can be found in this mess.
film at 11 🙂”
I’m glad for all that, but you should know better than to feed the trolls, Shutter. That’s what got you in this situation in the first place. No need to suck up to trolls. It only encourages them. Maybe you should offer Johnnie a membership at the Cooper Forum. He would (apparently) fit right in. Or…a smarter move might be to take a stand against that kind of stuff occasionally. Say what you will, but you are losing credibility by encouraging such behavior. If you’re going to forward yourself and your website as the definitive source on the Cooper case, you can’t have it both ways. No one should chase internet traffic by whoring themselves. It goes to credibility.
The goods are about to come in, folks. There was a meeting with Gayla recently, even though she had no idea that it was a pretext conversation about Robert. Ohhhh, it’s good. The walls DO have eyes and ears……….
Robert, you have been here 24/7 catering to them. who are you fooling? what difference would it really make if you knew who Johnnie was? this is your rule…someone only really needs to expose who they are if they are presenting something or involved with the subject personally…he may have reasons similar to you hiding everything? how in the world can a few people stop a film company from siding with you? they don’t believe any of us, they laugh at us according to you, so why are they cowards? isn’t that name calling by the way? more of that respect for Bruce thingy? if I look on your You Tube page no user names will show up will they..you wouldn’t want to cater to cowards now would you? oops too late, we have “Waldo, stang000000, harpothehealer”, to name a few “cowards” oops, my bad, only when you say they are cowards…got it..good people..I know silly, it’s different?????????
I don’t suck up to anyone…just because I converse with someone doesn’t mean I’m sucking up to them…you take everything possible out of context..
vindictiveness and hatred., seriously? those are middle names you have Robert..
I call it like I see it, Shutter. DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.
It’s (partially) how you got to where you are in the first place.
Actually, Gayla already fed the trolls, Robert. It was a hell of a meal.
A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following:
Deliberately angering people. (Robert)
Making people act or say things that are considered obvious causing the individual to appear stupid to others witnessing the discussion.
Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion. (Robert)
Disrupting the “smooth” operation of the site. (Robert)
Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site. (Coward, Dudley)
Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having “won” when other users subsequently come to believe this. (Robert)
Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion. (Robert)
Now, that sounds an awful lot like YOU….”we” seem to be countering this name, no?
On the other hand, I offer you opportunities to prove me wrong, such as saying, “Okay…go ahead and provide Mitchell’s contact info and we will send him what we have.”
First of all, love how you try to shame people into doing things…can we use that on you? second, you don’t send witnesses “what we have” you send photo’s so you don’t “slant” the witness. I believe he has spoken to Vicki in regards to Kenny saying he wasn’t Cooper. then you have the strong possibility he has already seen Kenny’s photo on television or through the internet. I tend to believe these witnesses DON’T live in caves and most have SEEN the major suspects through these avenue’s. don’t you think Mitchell watched the very show he was on with Tom Colbert? didn’t they have a small segment about Kenny showing his photo? I know, he went to the bathroom during that part. did Tina miss it too? how do you say it, “right under there noses the whole time” Tina and Mitchell are haters, no?
To do it properly, you would do a six photo lineup..sending all your files, PDF”s, or any information about Kenny being Cooper would be leading the witness.
actually, we have used the “prove me wrong” thingy and you return with the old “you are just jealous” thingy…so, it appears you need to find Mitchell yourself. Flyjack already gave you a clue. it’s so easy even a, well you know the rest 🙂 perhaps I should “recommend” that you round up a committee? 2013 is a long time looking for someone….
shutter45 says:
September 9, 2018 at 6:40 am
A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following:
Deliberately angering people. (Robert)
Making people act or say things that are considered obvious causing the individual to appear stupid to others witnessing the discussion.
Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion. (Robert)
Disrupting the “smooth” operation of the site. (Robert)
Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site. (Coward, Dudley)
Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having “won” when other users subsequently come to believe this. (Robert)
Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion. (Robert)
Now, that sounds an awful lot like YOU….”we” seem to be countering this name, no?
These are key points, so is this:
Pocahontas says:
September 8, 2018 at 8:59 pm
The last straw for the trio was FLYJACK’S personal attack calling Robert, Georger, and Meyer the “3 STOOGES”. Pocahontas says:
September 8, 2018 at 8:59 pm
The last straw for the trio was FLYJACK’S personal attack calling Robert, Georger, and Meyer the “3 STOOGES”. That was totally uncalled for and stupid. Georger alerted Shutter who did nothing. Georger alerted Shutter again and Shutter replied: FUCK YOU. R99 quit first, Georger followed a day later, and Meyer a day after that. Shutter then announced he had closed his email to Georger! That pretty much sealed the coffin for the “3 STOOGES”. I hope the “3 STOOGES” survive this uncalled for attack. They are after all allowed their own personal opinions just as is the Celestial FLYJACK who is also known as BULLJAX from the old Dropzone days in 2013. The whole thing unnecessary and very sad but FLYJACK struck the fatal blow. The “3 STOOGES” weren’t even looking for the attack and were minding their own business. Only FLYJACK survives and prospers still on Shutter’s forum.
I’m not picking on you here shutter. Set aside for a moment the fact that I’m the guy that insists that there’s a linkage between several high profile crimes and the Cooper case… and please bear with me. I’m gonna delve into the “jack” hints that are found in ALL of the cases that Nanette and I link. Today I’m not gonna point out the “jack” hints that are found in the other cases but just the ones surrounding the Cooper subject are those that I beg others to take notice of. This message is gonna need more review by me than this one message I’m now leaving. Keywords now in the Cooper subject: NORJAK, Skyjack, Hijack, Playboy “bunnies” attract “jack” rabbits, FLYJACK, BULLJAX, and further “the “Celestial” FLYJACK.” Are there any more “jack” hints that I’ve missed? “Pocahontas” stated: “That was totally uncalled for and stupid.” I strongly assert that it was a very astute summary to call those guys “The 3 Stooges.” shutter, I don’t know about these other people, but banning bLIEvins was essential. Blevins is a systematic liar, he’s not gonna relent, he’s not interested in the truth, his “Into the Blast” book title is one of many threats of violence. He is a “deep state” operative.
The collective crimes of the “deep state” are much much bigger and much more pervasive than most people would have the courage to look into and face….but that’s not my focus. Once the public begins to realize that the “deep state” people were behind and involved in the Ramsey murder, they will never trust a Democrat again, or not until the Democrats truly undergo a complete overhaul of personnel. I say this as a person that used to vote for Democrats. BTW, ‘the “Celestial” Zodiac Jack’….I like that!!!
Thanks Terry, and no, your not picking on me…nobody was banned in the last fallout..one person removed themselves and two other requested to be removed. some things will change and some will not (with coming back)…it’s part of life and one must move forward and put things in the past. people come in go with life and name calling will always be a part of public settings.
Hopefully, the conference will bring the community closer together getting almost all on board with the same goal which is finding out what happened on November 24,1971…
Well, okay. You go your route, I will go mine. Mine says I need to quit goofing off and start putting together the gear for this coming Friday’s trip to the Olympics. I will leave you until next Tuesday and check back in here to see if anything positive has actually been posted. I kind of doubt it, but you never know.
The ‘thing’ about Bill Mitchell was an offer. Putting together a complete evidentiary package for him is also a fair amount of work, printing, ink, and postage. Can’t say I blame you for being afraid of that. I guess if I were in your shoes I might give the same excuses you did. Or maybe not.
If you change your mind, I am not hard to find. 🙂
Hurry up and leave, Blevins. Go Camping and quit talking about it. Leave. And leave us alone to continue on Cooper. We DON’T need you and don’t want you. You are an obnoxious SOB.
Do your own work..you like to work alone..stop trying to blame me for you FAILURE….
Seriously, you are actually whining about ink and postage lmao..it’s horrific what you have to do. would you like us to all chip in so you don’t get behind on rent? do you pull apart two ply to believe it will last longer lol…should we send a Red Cross package, Gofundme? everyone deserves three squares a day…
you know where to find me 🙂
I think he actually left. Shutter. Yipppeee!!!
Received message this morning, followed by a Skype. A writer has finally been chosen to tell the Kenny Christiansen story for the upcoming picture. l was asked for my approval, but that was just a courtesy by the producers. I said ‘sure’. This screenwriter has a solid track record.
AB staff excitement went off the scale this morning. It’s been twenty months since we initially signed with the production company. You can imagine.
Decided to take the entire week off to prepare for the campout this weekend. Messaged everyone this morning who is going and let them know. Time to put gas into the generator I guess.
Yippee. 🙂
PS to Shutter: The offer of cooperation with Mitchell was not a request for money. It was a challenge to prove a point. You failed the test.
I guess the child couldn’t leave his toy for 24 hours. We’re dealing with someone who has the emotional capacity of a seven year old. Maybe less.
It’s nothing but a game to him and he appears to have full control here to fill his needs.
it’s a fix for him…it’s also damaging the core of this site..it’s going on 6 years for me dealing with him, and about 9 years for everyone else off and on..he will never change. as I mentioned before, he tries to change but his personality won’t allow it and never will until he can fully understand how he really looks from the outside looking in..he calls you a troll and tells me not to feed you? he has been responding to every post you make lol.
He’s in make-believe…constantly quotes movies and puts You Tube videos up to express his thoughts…all make-believe..his real true love is Science Fiction (make-believe) very similar to a con man who starts to believe his own stories..it is a never ending circle with him…you talk about one thing he gives a quick answer and responds with more things for you to reply too causing it to be nothing more than a perpetual motion machine of drama..
Robert, I failed no test…that’s all in your head dude..I’m not giving you anything and that doesn’t support any challenge….you live in an alternate world buddy….
I told you a hundred times that I’m not working with you…this would imply working with you by supplying information…as I mentioned before….do your own homework…everyone else found him, so it’s your turn…
Good Luck…..
The above is the childish behavior others speak of Robert…it’s a little schoolboys tactic..you really need to grow up and move on…
There is a difference between ‘not working with someone,’ and deliberately working AGAINST them. That difference shows I was right in certain observations I made at WordPress, i.e. ‘Fear and Loathing in Cooperland’, an article which received the third-most views of any of the Cooper WordPress articles. And I suppose the long chapter in ‘Cooperland,’ which talks about the same things.
No…actually you DID fail the test. You put yourself up as having the largest group on the internet who claim to be experts on the DB Cooper case, established a website you promoted heavily at YouTube, and still spend much time defending, both here and elsewhere. You even built yourself a repository of data at that website, and now sponsor public discussion(s) on the case.
But in reality, you have absolutely NO interest in solving the case, play favoritism games, sometimes go after OTHER websites that speak out against you, and attack others when you consider them a threat to your little Cooper world. You’ve even supported attacks by others when it suited those purposes.
As a result, you are now seen in some circles as having an agenda.
Your claim that you are merely a neutral party in the Cooper case, a simple sponsor of discussion, and this is just ‘a hobby’ to you…has definitely had the lie put to it.
Yes. Of course we could find Mitchell easily. The request was done to make a point, since it was YOU who originally challenged us to send Mitchell pictures or other evidentiary material, thinking that Mitchell might perhaps write off Kenny as the hijacker. I was willing to take that challenge…with a caveat. The caveat being only if YOU…as the person making that challenge…was willing to come down off his high horse and provide M’s contact information. I was almost certain you would not do that, since for us to send that material to Mitchell could be seen as a threat to all you’ve said about Christiansen, and what you have supported regarding Christiansen for years. Which is mostly negative.
You can call me childish if you like, but everything you do, every response you’ve done, and many things at your own website (that still exist today) prove that *almost* everything I have said about Cooperland is correct.
Nothing is correct. You are a pathological liar and LAZY. Skip Porteous did your book. Georger, Snow, etc did all the heavy theory and research work. You just came along and manipulated a fat ass lie invented by Lyle Christianson. You haven’t done shit.
Just camping. And no one wants to go with you. What kind of life do you live?
What kind of life do I live? Well…let’s just say it’s probably better than yours. What did YOU do today that was positive, if anything. You’re good at trash talk, but that’s all I’ve seen from you. As they say, “It’s all you got to work with…”
Hmm. Well, today I used our imaging software (what we use to do book covers and interior pictures) to enhance some photos for the Auburn PD. Three guys robbed a Shell station here today and just left the clerk to die on the floor. I think the photos will help them catch the perps.
What have YOU done today…except for your usual pea-soup-out-the-mouth stuff? 🙂
I have to add a couple of things to be fair. Although my Facebook photos got to the public and the Auburn PD first, the police department did issue pictures soon afterward that were better. So I cannot take any real credit.
As far as the camping trip. We are full up for that. Leaving at six AM Friday morning. 🙂
It’s amazing how just about every person with a suspect says the exact same thing about others not wanting to solve the case..
Hey, Robert…I call like I see it..DON’T FEED THE TROLLS….
Hey, Robert, you don’t know Johnny and you have never met him…
same childish remarks you use on me….
Robert, the internet and someone’s private life are two different things…
Do you have a problem with reality, I’m not joking here. you really have no idea what anyone does Robert unless you know them outside of the internet or speak with them on different terms other than like this. you are open in everything you do…socially, it’s zero. do you even sleep in the same bed with your girlfriend, your up all night almost every single night trying to prove something. I’m not out to prove dick…THIS IS A HOBBY FOR ME…it’s not my life. I’M…NOT…TRYING…TO…PROVE…NOTHING….GET THIS THROUGH…YOUR…HEAD.
bLIEvins will never relent. Notice how he used the phrase “fear and loathing”? That proves to me that he follows my writings very very closely.
I wrote that CNN practices dirty tactics 24/7 to get viewers to have a unwarranted “fear and loathing” of Trump. The true Benghazi compound attack information is no “conspiracy theory” as Obummer falsely claimed. Obama and Hillary are dirty liars. Check out Army Ranger Kris Paronto on this subject. Obama is a imposter, a stooge, and he never understood or respected the basics of the role of a US president.
Ask yourself if you’ve ever encountered such a relentless, underhanded and systematic liar as Robert M Blevins very obviously is?
Again: The words “delivery” on the Ramsey ransom note clearly show intent. That murder happened during the Clinton administration. As I recall, Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI at that time. It’s simply not credible that an agency like the FBI is gonna not notice all of the many structural artifacts on the Ramsey ransom note. Lying by omission is equal to telling deliberate lies. The Ramsey murder became bigger than Jack the Ripper because of the lies told by the chief of police, a few dirty cops and a few dirty FBI stooges, and a criminally controlled western media organization ready to pounce on the parents of the girl, it’s really that simple. Document linkage between the cases that Nanette and I write about, which includes the Cooper caper, is abundant.
“bLIEvins will never relent. Notice how he used the phrase “fear and loathing”? That proves to me that he follows my writings very very closely…”
You wish.
It proves I was a big fan of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson. 🙂
Robert, it’s not a competition…you should of contacted Mitchell years ago…Vicki believes he already stated he’s not Cooper several years ago…it’s not a test or a challenge..it’s your job as a researcher of the possibility of Kenny being Cooper..just because I told you what you should do doesn’t mean by any means that I have to give you any information under some point proving clause you try to include. if you really believe I’m scared he would say yes, then you really need some help dude..I’m positive he won’t but don’t take my word for it…find out yourself…I would be more than happy to post his ticket he purchased that evening, well that help 🙂
The problem that is clear is you have been saying this since about 2013. that’s what they call failure. same with the records for the house…it’s not even far from you and you still haven’t even done that and then you ask for help, seriously? that’s either lazy or scared to see or hear the results…stop everything and worry about money from the mid 80’s…go right to Kenny’s house bypassing the city records..allow that “speculation & assumptions” can tell the story. “we think this is how the house was bought” works better, right?
Perhaps less “Shutter failed my test” elementary school type tactics and worrying about all the horrible criticism you HAVE to comment on instead of actually doing something you might gain some progress…the records would probably help you more than anything else..Mitchell, no, but find out for yourself…
Actually…(again)…it WAS a challenge. I don’t need Mitchell to verify in this case. We already have enough on Kenny and Bernie to move forward. I wouldn’t call outsmarting the smart guys, knowing where to go to find out the REAL truth on those two…verifying that a senior FBI agent admitted Kenny was the hijacker right after they ‘closed’ the case…getting the first-ever dramatic feature film on the case where they plan to name Kenny, Bernie, AND the agent…failure.
In your dreams, buckwheat. 🙂
If that’s your definition of failure, I will take it every day and twice on Sundays.
a challenge is something agreed by both or all parties…you dream up these side tracks to cover the FAILURE of over 5 years of saying you were going to contact him….
another disaster by you….take a nap so you can argue all night with Johnny…..you know the guy you keep telling me not to feed lmao…
Get R Done….. 🙂
It R done.
What more do you want? Oh, yeah. You don’t want anything. And yet sometimes you do. Or don’t.
I have reservations about Mitchell’s competence as a witness. That’s one thing. This is because I heard his recording for the WA State History Museum. They led him around, failed to ask him the relevant questions, and he seemed confused sometimes. I wanted nothing to do with that gathering, either. The brain boys who ran than project did a total crash and burn on interviews, not only with Mitchell, but with some of the other folks. Then they came to me wanting to buy copies of Blast for the event. I refused, and told them to go to Amazon. Why? Because they wanted Gayla’s SSN for their ‘records’. I told them we had a tax number, they wanted her SSN. Not a chance. We argued about that, so I told them they could keep their event for others. I don’t think I missed much.
Even if I sent Mitchell an evidentiary package, it’s not like I’m going to reveal the results publicly. None of you can be trusted anymore. Some of you come after me personally, when it really isn’t a personal issue. Like it’s my fault you missed the train on KC and Geestman and went the total negative route. That’s your fault. Now you’re stuck with it. I have told people more times than I can count: After ‘Uncle Bernie’ went on Decoded and lied to the cast, and then tried tossing Kenny under the bus on national TV…and his whole damn family saw that…it was only a matter of time before we got to the truth.
Look…I say just wait for the movie. Explains how we came to the conclusions we did, and will do it better than I can just typing it for you read.
The only people I am going to reveal certain things to are the folks coming along on the trip this weekend. Brother, are they going to be surprised. Some are really excited about all this. Let’s face it…when I drag the 32″ Samsung smart TV into the wilderness…it’s SERIOUS. (*laughs*) It takes flash drive right up the wazoo and will play back almost any format. Imagine the possibilities. I have enough Cooper-related stuff to fill two evenings easily.
I told people to bring their favorite media, though. So I don’t know how much Cooper people will sit through. Personally, I want to watch my Road Runner collection. Beep Beep. 🙂
“All the info on Christianson and Geestman” by Robert Blevins. Christianson and Geestman were
Boinking each other in the Winnebago at Paradise Point state park after the hijacking. When Christianson and Geestman were’nt boinking each other, Christianson was boinking under aged boys. Researched by Geoff Gray. Robert Blevins knows this. And that’s all you need to know. Now go camping with your cartoon collection, Blevins, and leave the adults alone
You’re an ADULT?
In your dreams. Your posts are no better than junior-high level. And that’s being generous. 🙂
I wonder if Gayla is actually a paid, old lady supervisor to watch Bobby Boy? It seems to be most likely, considering Bobby’s maturity level. Nothing original from Bobby’s brain or mouth. Just parrroting. Little boys need camping friends. And they whine when they don’t get their way. Does this sound like Bobby Boy? Just saying.
Boy….are you pissed off or WHAT? I get some enjoyment out of that. 🙂
Good. There will be a lot more said here when you are away camping. BE PREPARED.
And leave us alone while you’re gone with your boy scout troop. Idiot.
More? LOL you’ve already spent all your big ammo. Went after everyone except the cat. I suppose he’s next. You’re starting to repeat yourself now. (But I have to admit I get a laugh out of you sometimes.)
You sure are angry. Don’t give yourself a stroke. Cooper isn’t worth it. 🙂
If I actually saw anything positive posted by you when I returned, I would be surprised indeed. It’s a funny thing about hatred and negativity there ‘Johnnie’. After a while, like beating your kids, it has diminishing returns. 🙂
robertmblevins says:
September 12, 2018 at 11:44 pm
More? LOL you’ve already spent all your big ammo. Went after everyone except the cat. I suppose he’s next. You’re starting to repeat yourself now. (But I have to admit I get a laugh out of you sometimes.)
You sure are angry. Don’t give yourself a stroke. Cooper isn’t worth it. 🙂
If I actually saw anything positive posted by you when I returned, I would be surprised indeed. It’s a funny thing about hatred and negativity there ‘Johnnie’. After a while, like beating your kids, it has diminishing returns. 🙂
Proof that bLIEvins is the right handle for this guy. “Went after everyone except the cat.” ? NO, Mr blIEvins, he went after YOU and YOU only. You once again falsely state that “he’s angry” and has “hatred.” NO, you filthy liar, he’s counteracting your LIES. Lying about an obvious lie, then lying about that repeatedly with a follow up stack of lies, has more than proven the fact that YOU, Mr bLIEvins are the real troll here. You yourself has proven why shutter banned you in the first place. The only one that truly hates Mr Blevins the most, is Mr Blevins himself, which he repeatedly and clearly demonstrates with his strings of shameless lying. Go away Blevins, go away so that we can discuss the Cooper case without interference from you.
Are you gone yet, Blevins?
Both you and Terry deserve each other. I leave in the early morning. I’d bet money neither of you contributes a single positive thing to the discussion of the Cooper case. It doesn’t matter much. I imagine only a few people bother scrolling down over 1,500 comments to read any of this.
I know you guys are upset about the movie deal, but it isn’t like I sought them out. They came to me. Like I was going to say, “Nah…I don’t want your money and I don’t want you to put Kenny’s story on film…”
What did you expect would happen? All you guys have really accomplished with your crazy posts is that no one at AB (or even the film companies for that matter) trusts any of you. So instead of getting to know what’s really going on, you simply get left in the dark.
Like mushrooms, for example. 🙂
Are you actually going camping, or is this more of your bullshit? Are you afraid of the boogyman at night? Take your cellphone and laptop so you can contact Gayla immediately if you hear strange sounds at night. Hey Bobby……………(BOO)
Nah…I’m going. Once I announce these things at Facebook and elsewhere, I pretty much HAVE to go, since I’m the one responsible for setting up much of the campsite amenities. No cell or internet service up there though. All packed to the gills, canopy locked on the truck, backed up against the garage, ready to go. Just have to dump the ice in the coolers in the morning and fill up the gas tank.
No famous AB wilderness video this time though. Strictly a private party. Will return Monday afternoon. As far as the boogeyman, even HE’s not dumb enough to come around. We do a lot of target shooting and I come well-equipped. 🙂 If Bigfoot happens along, we just give him some jerky and he’s fine with that.
Now let’s see some of that ‘serious Cooper discussion’ you’ve all been whining about doing. Floor is all yours.
Mr. Blevins….why do you continue to attack me or people on my forum! you sent s letter to the Portland Yacht Club whining about crap that has absolutely nothing to do with you…talk about jealousy to it’s extreme….the letter you sent them WILL be posted here to show how vindictive and insulting you can be to people who don’t agree with you…
You think you own a story that can’t even be proven beyond a reasonable doubt so where could slander even come into play?
Bruce is making an entire article about this behavior…you are actually sending someone to make sure nobody talks about Kenny, are you serious?…you have zero grounds in which to claim this, plus nobody cares about Kenny and it’s not going to be discussed anyway…no value what so ever dreamer….
If this doesn’t call for your removal from any Cooper venue then I don’t know what to say…you are nothing but a butthurt, vindictive, spiteful, hateful person Robert M Blevins…you would do better if you stayed silent instead of coming on here trying to play innocent all the time..
this kind of tells me that you are so jealous of the conference that perhaps no movie is currently in progress..you are so mad you were “bypassed” from the conference that you use those “dirty tricks” you claim others use…
This action should be enough to show the entire community what you truly are….
Dave Brown
aka Shutter
To clear things up here to people viewing this thread…Robert Blevins sent a letter to the Yacht Club where a DB Cooper conference was to be held..he speaks of me constantly slander him along with saying someone would be sent to the conference to “monitor” anything said about Kenny? can you believe that? you can’t prove slander on a “story” or a suspect…the Yacht Club no longer wishes to get between this “conflict” so another venue needs to be found…
Now, isn’t this exactly what Robert keeps believing others will do to him?
As I have always stated..he is petrified someone will do what he does himself. to actually believe this is all being set up to trash Kenny is extremely hard to comprehend. who is the real “detractor, or hate monger” here? this is the same guy who cries out (often) as the innocent party..he has disrespected me on many different levels including using the loss of a friend who died last year in a motorcycle accident, he comes after me politically, constantly lies about the structure of my forum…nothing appears to be off limits with him, nothing!
Now, he goes after Eric Ullis, someone who is working hard to provide a professional atmosphere to discuss the case only to have Mr. Blevins but into things that once again don’t concern him.
Mr. Blevins, I thought coming after a dead friend of mine who I grew up with was the lowest of lows, but as usual, you tend to always break your own records..
Truly pathetic…..you have a very serious mental problem that’s needs immediate attention….
Shutter
Blevins’ letter says it best! Quote:
Hello,
This is Robert Blevins from Adventure Books of Seattle. We have a serious concern regarding a scheduled ‘DB Cooper’ Conference slated to be held at your club on Saturday, November 24, 2018.
We are not objecting to the conference itself, but the person who approached you about asking the club to host this event is advertising the event mainly on this site: http://www.thedbcooperforum.com
To provide some background, we are the publishers of the book ‘Into The Blast – The True Story of D.B. Cooper,’ which is now optioned for the first-ever full-length feature film on the famous hijacking. Production shooting is slated to begin next year, both in the Los Angeles area, as well as in Portland and Seattle.
Over at The DB Cooper Forum, this is where user ‘EU’ has been organizing this event. This is also the website where we took more than fifty screenshots of hateful and insult comments about our company, my wife Gayla, and me personally, that were made over the last four years. Many of this site’s members, including the host Dave Brown, aka ‘Shutter’ supported these posts. Most of them are extremely slanderous.
This event at the Portland Yacht Club is being advertised as free to attend, and free parking included. We intend to send an anonymous representative from Adventure Books to observe the proceedings. Since we are well familiar with most of the people involved in this event, we will be watching for slanderous comments at that event aimed at either Adventure Books, our staff, or anything else related to us. The film production companies, as well as their attorneys, are supporting this effort.
If we observe anything slanderous being presented, we will immediately file suit against the Portland Yacht Club for personal damages, and for supporting the presentation of such slander. We have good reason to believe this will be a part of the program for this conference, because that website and many of its members (including some of the scheduled speakers) are doing it now. For these people to extend their outrageous behavior it to a conference you host is not a stretch. If you would like copies of some of the screenshots taken from The DB Cooper Forum and elsewhere to see the truth for yourself, feel free to ask and we will provide them to you.
Sincerely yours,
Robert M. Blevins
Managing Editor/Co-Founder
Adventure Books of Seattle
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Auburn, WA 98002
253-xxx-xxxx
Email: adventurebooksofseattle@gmail.com
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Thanks, Pocahontas. … [Comments removed by editor. Remember readers, no unauthorized sharing of personal contact information. That includes street addresses.]
… I’ve got several unread copies of “Into the Blast” and I want my money back.
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How come the FBI manage to take down Richard McCoy for his $500,000 hi jacking of United Airlines flight 855? They collected a magazine from McCoy’s seating area and they found his prints on it. But why weren’t any magazines collected in the Cooper case?